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Speaker 1: And That's what you Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you and That's what You Really Missed podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: we have a very special guest from a very very

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Speaker 1: long time ago. We have the one and only Sarah

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Speaker 1: Drew here April Keepner a ka.

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Speaker 2: Susie Pepper, the one and only an icon.

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Speaker 1: Never forget watching that her episode of Glee and thinking like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is what a guest are supposed to do. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like just bringing so much character and so much commitment,

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Speaker 1: and like, she popped so much and she's so still

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Speaker 1: so fresh in my mind in the Glee world.

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Speaker 2: Yes, from one episode, you know, like met the show

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Speaker 2: and even elevated it. Yes, definitely what she what she did?

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Speaker 2: She's so tired. Yeah, Yes, I have been a fan

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Speaker 2: of hers for a very long time, right, and I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited to for everyone to just get to know

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Speaker 2: her a little better. How ah god, this feels Gooded.

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Speaker 3: I cried all through yoga.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was a good choice though, that is a good choice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need I needed yoga this morning. My friend

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Speaker 3: has sent me some bath salts and a candle and

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Speaker 3: the mail. That sounds all right, that's exactly my plan.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting in the bathtub before before the children come home.

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Speaker 2: Literally, thank you for being here today.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm still good to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean too.

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Speaker 3: It was the last time I saw you was on

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Speaker 3: set one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 2: So long ago, so wild.

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Speaker 3: It was before you all became the Beatles too, because

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Speaker 3: it was like, seriously, it was, well, yeah whatever, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I guess I did. It's funny because I went and

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Speaker 3: did Glee after my first two episodes on Grays, but

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Speaker 3: I thought it was done with Grays after those first

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Speaker 3: two episodes. Oh my gosh, I like went off and

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Speaker 3: I did Glee. I went and did a Supernatural, I

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Speaker 3: did a couple of Madmen, and then they called me

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Speaker 3: and asked me to come back to Great So.

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Speaker 2: My impression of Sarah Drew is exactly what you just said.

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Speaker 2: You have never stopped working, like my entire like when

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Speaker 2: I moved to La I just like when you came

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Speaker 2: on Glee, I was like.

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Speaker 3: She's here because I remember the icon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have always as someone who's like auditioning and

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Speaker 2: trying to like do things. Sarah Drew, you were because

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Speaker 2: you were like you're well, just because you're so good,

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Speaker 2: You're so nice, like booked, booked.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I do feel like it's a weird

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Speaker 3: time because so many I mean with the strike and

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Speaker 3: with the pandemic and everything, like, there's been so many

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Speaker 3: folks in our industry out of work. And I do

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Speaker 3: feel in the last couple of years, because I've started

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Speaker 3: making my own stuff, I find that I'm I haven't

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Speaker 3: had those times of lull like waiting for the phone

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Speaker 3: to ring and waiting for the audition to come. I

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Speaker 3: now get I got an audition in my inbox yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't have time. We love that is

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Speaker 3: a business woman love tired. Of course, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go on tape. I have to learn the lines. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it drawn do it. We will.

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Speaker 2: We will like complain about it, but we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's it's been a weird time in our

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Speaker 3: industry for yeah. And I have definitely, Like it may

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Speaker 3: not seem like I've had lulls, I have definitely, of course,

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Speaker 3: and ye full on meltdowns of like, oh, I guess

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Speaker 3: I'm aging out. Someone will ever hire me again. I

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Speaker 3: guess that was my last job. Like those pods still

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Speaker 3: go through my head. I don't know how to ever

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Speaker 3: make that stop. I don't know that it will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it will. I do think though,

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Speaker 2: and correct me if I'm wrong. Does it feel a

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Speaker 2: little better because now you are sort of you're producing

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Speaker 2: in your writing. Being on that side of it, you

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Speaker 2: have more options, right, You're a little more in control

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Speaker 2: of it. So y has that helped dampen the complete

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Speaker 2: fear of oh I'm never working again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, but I did have

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Speaker 3: to get over the hump of like, does anybody want

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's all new set of years.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole new set of yours. And it's also

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Speaker 3: just you know, I just wrote and produced my third screenplay,

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Speaker 3: which again, thank you so much, but the first time,

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Speaker 3: spec of course, and two years later Lifetime wanted to

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Speaker 3: coming out, you know, in my brain, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I think it's good, but this is never me as

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Speaker 3: a writer. Sarah Drew, The writer has not been tested,

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Speaker 1: Why they other people's words, Yes, exactly us, and it's

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Speaker 1: not good.

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Speaker 2: It's not me my fault.

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Speaker 3: It's not my fault if the scene didn't work. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it is. It's a whole new world and a

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Speaker 3: whole new level of vulnerability. I mean we're already had,

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Speaker 3: we already have to be so vulnerable in order just

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Speaker 3: but also have like seven layers of armor because we're

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Speaker 3: being rejected every five seconds a mind bleep. But but

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Speaker 3: then adding into and also I'm going to make my

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Speaker 3: peel myself open to be vulnerable as an actor. But

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Speaker 3: also every single word that's uttered by every single person

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Speaker 3: that's a whole other place that people can judge me.

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Speaker 3: It's bananas. Have you always wanted to write and do that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, okay, I will say when I was eleven,

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Speaker 2: So it's been the seed was planted. She was started

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Speaker 3: Where is that one? It was called The Ancient Secrets

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Speaker 3: of Cammaboo Island. Yes, and it was about two outcast girls.

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Speaker 3: I was very bullied and so I was very kind

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Speaker 3: of on the outside socially when I was younger. So

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Speaker 3: it was about a girl who of course a girl

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Speaker 3: who was who had been in an acte and so

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Speaker 3: And then they both go to this camp that their

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Speaker 3: discover that the whole island was owned by a group

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Speaker 3: this whole social justice moment where they storm the camp

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Speaker 2: Yeahen songs you know wow what wow?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we were deep inside of you.

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Speaker 2: As a public. We were robbed from these stories of

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Speaker 2: young Sarah Drew.

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Speaker 3: I tried really hard to put it up in my garage.

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Speaker 3: I had auditions and everything. Wow wow. We had a

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Speaker 3: table read. I had plans for how I was gonna

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Speaker 3: drape all of the you know, put drapes in front

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Speaker 3: of all the tools on the sides of the grudge.

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Speaker 3: I even sold a ticket, and that sweet church woman

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Speaker 3: because of course schools started and everybody went back to

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Speaker 3: I've always had the bug, I've always had. I was

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Speaker 3: always like the musical theater nut from forever that way.

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Speaker 2: We started in theater, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: It's funny though, and then you're on Glee for just

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Speaker 1: like a blip, we were robbed of not getting more

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Speaker 1: Sarah on our show.

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Speaker 3: Pepper needed to sing you did you audition with a song?

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Speaker 3: Did you have to sing? No? You just came in.

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Speaker 2: Did you know?

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Speaker 3: I came in with the ready these signs of that

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Speaker 3: insane nutchup.

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Speaker 1: She's so iconic for having only one episode, Like it's

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Speaker 3: Pepper is so famous in the world. Still that were

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Speaker 3: now such a fun character to play. I had so

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Speaker 3: much fun with that character.

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Speaker 1: I mean really one of our first like guest stars

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Speaker 1: and like and then watching the episode, you're like, this

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Speaker 1: is exactly what I had imagined.

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Speaker 3: Yes, or I would hope for what about it too?

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Speaker 3: Is that we were allowed to be as campy as

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Speaker 3: was like, no, just go for Yeah, all of that

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Speaker 2: I love that. I mean we rewatching it too. I

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Speaker 3: The esophagus transplant. It's so fun. And Matthew Morrison actually

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Speaker 3: picture with me hovering over his like, ah, Susie Pepper

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Speaker 3: finally has her revenge. Yes, it was so great. I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he played a pretty nasty character. He was

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Speaker 3: just a bad guy, truly. I was kind of sad

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Speaker 1: So you thought you were done with Grays after doing

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Speaker 1: like basically you did two episodes, you said, and then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. I mean I had done a pilot

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Speaker 3: cool episode. Your firing episodes are really cool episode. It's

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Speaker 3: us for two episodes. So I did, and then yeah,

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Speaker 3: like I'm here for a moment. Love being on this

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Speaker 3: it might turn into us Oh I want a dream.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm glad you didn't.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work out for the character because she can

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Speaker 2: I know that is crazy, like how close those things are.

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Speaker 3: I like, yes, exactly, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, somebody, because it'll be my turn the next you know, you'll.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the streets are probably so happy when you were

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Speaker 2: This makes so much sense with your personality because, like

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Speaker 3: Oh I love it, let's get all the actory. I

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00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: love it.

440
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Speaker 2: I think people who can do procedurals, like like Gray's

441
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: or SVU or it's such a specific skill and I

442
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: am so in awe of people who can do it,

443
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: and also people who.

444
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: The people that are doing it, they're on the train

445
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: for years and years and years, and they're they're in

446
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: the as opposed to the guest spot the guest stars

447
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: who come.

448
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Well a little of both for different reasons. I think

449
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: the people who are regulars on those shows who really

450
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: understand it's a different pacing. I mean, obviously you can

451
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: speak to this better than I can, but it's a

452
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: different pacing, it's a different vocabulary. All of it operates,

453
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: I feel like, within a certain box. Yeah, and those

454
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: who understand how to play within that box, I think

455
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: it is such it's such an incredible specific skill and

456
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: to be able to.

457
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: Find like because sometimes they can, they can become cookie

458
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: cutter ish, right, And it's basically playing the same story

459
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. So I think the

460
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: trick for the actor to keep it alive and fresh

461
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: is to is to infuse it with all of the

462
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: layers of depth and reality and groundedness and all those places,

463
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: and to not get complacent, because then that skills you,

464
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: because as soon as you dip your toe into complacency,

465
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: you're just dead in the water. And then your attitude

466
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: about showing up at work is going to go down.

467
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: They're going to lose gratitude for the job you have,

468
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: just you know, and then the boredom seeps out to

469
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: everybody else. So Yeah, remaining really positive and joyous and

470
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: being creative enough to hunt for the stuff that makes

471
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: it new and fresh each time, I think is powerful.

472
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I've never had to because Gray's is procedure ish,

473
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: but it's so it's murky because it's so heavily character

474
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: driven and it's such a huge cast that you're never

475
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: the one saddled with all of the stuff that feels procedury,

476
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So you kind of have

477
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: the freedom to never get kind of stuck in that, right,

478
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: But I haven't. Actually, I feel like I haven't really

479
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: the sew the shaw I'm doing right now has the

480
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 3: murder mystery aspect of the procedure you know, so fun,

481
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: which is it's so fun, but it's also really layered

482
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: and super character driven, and that I think I tend

483
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: to just that's what That's what I look for in

484
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: a story of a chart. I'm just like, I turn

485
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: I have turned down not necessarily full jobs, but just

486
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: auditions sometimes for some of the ones that feel let

487
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: like way more in that world and not as much

488
00:27:54,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: character stuff, because I'm like, I'm worried that I I

489
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: know it will be successful, but I don't want to die.

490
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, yeah yeah.

491
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: I have a friend whom I will not name, on

492
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 2: a show that I will not name, and like the

493
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: things he tells me. But he's like, yeah, there's zero

494
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: character and we're all just having to do the same thing.

495
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: And they don't care how you say your lines. You

496
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: just have to get them out.

497
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: You say the information to get you point see.

498
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's someone who like obviously wants to think

499
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: deeply about the characters, and he's like, honestly, there a

500
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: point to you can't because they the story will never

501
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: be fulfilled.

502
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: It's like, oh god, it's terrible, Like how are.

503
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: You doing it? But on the flip side of those shows,

504
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: like as someone who's been on a lot of shows

505
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: and you pop in and pop out, I think coming

506
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: in as a guest star is really hard, especially on

507
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: like a show like Gray's or something too where a

508
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: lot of times they have really heavy stuff and you

509
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: have to come in at one hundred Oh yes my

510
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: entire family just got killed. Yes, I may not make it,

511
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: but also this other thing happened, and it's phenomenal. Like

512
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: people who can come in show up, just bear their

513
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: soul real.

514
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: Quick, and then by yeah, it's amazing. I think. I

515
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: feel like I was super gifted and prepared for my

516
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: time on Grays by getting to go guests all over

517
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: the place first, because it I got the experience of

518
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: witnessing the way people embrace you as a guest star

519
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: or completely ignore you, or like just are tired and

520
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: over it, and the effect that that has. Like I

521
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: remember on one which I will not name, going in

522
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: and the leads being like this, this script is shit.

523
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: I hate. Everything is so stupid. Everything is so stupid,

524
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: and my and I have to come in and I'm

525
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: weeping and c I have like alls of stuff I

526
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: have to do with guest in this situation and to

527
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: have like the leads be so negative and bored and

528
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: over it, and then you still have to show up

529
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: with your whole heart because it's my one shot.

530
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: Of course, you're just happy to be there.

531
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so happy to be employed right now, just witnessing

532
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: the various like like experiencing all the different kinds of

533
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: actors and all the different kinds of of of the

534
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: ways productions are run from every different from all sides

535
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: of the spectrum. Really prepared me to be the person

536
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: that was that that was home that then welcomed people

537
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: into my home. Totally. That is as important to me

538
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: as doing a good job as an actor. How is

539
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: everybody treated on this set? You know, how to do

540
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: people feel? How can I support the person who's coming

541
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: in and needs to bear their souls? I've been there

542
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: a million times, you know, and I know what it

543
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: feels like. So it's it's an interesting kind of journey

544
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: and dance for sure.

545
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But how lucky for the people stepping onto your

546
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: sets though, Yeah, that you're doing that you get to

547
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: be in a position to set the tone.

548
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now what's really fun is just getting to

549
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: produce and write and kind of be in that position

550
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: of leadership. The position of leadership itself has become so

551
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: fulfilling to me. Yes, I recognize how important it is.

552
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's exhausting too, because you do I want

553
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: to keep everybody up, you know, all day long, but

554
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: I'm also doing the work of the actor all day long.

555
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: But there's a I feel a burden, a very intense

556
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: burden to make every person that's you know, on the

557
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: crew feel like I really appreciate what they're doing, and

558
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: that they're all working very hard, and we couldn't get

559
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: any of this done with that, every single one of them. Right,

560
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: So by the end of a work day for me

561
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: when I'm but I'm also getting to be in this

562
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: position of leadership, I have.

563
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Given everything you have and then at home and give

564
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: it everything to your children. Well, like your new show,

565
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: Mistletomer Missiletoe Murders. Congrats. Also, that's very exciting and it's

566
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: right up my alley, so I am going to watch it.

567
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: So fun you guys, I'm sure that one also like Gray's,

568
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: then trained you also for this leadership role and to

569
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: also treat people kindly. I heard or read that you

570
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: had a really good experience and that you guys have

571
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: like an employee of the wee thing you guys do.

572
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cry thinking about it. I that crew and

573
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: the leadership there both the both are our boots on

574
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: the ground production you know, producer who hires everybody and

575
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: runs everything, and then our creative our showrunner and creative

576
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: producer as well. It's just such a People say, oh,

577
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: it's a family, this really is. It's a really but

578
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: it's because all of these humans are really kind hearted

579
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: and really and really care about all of the people

580
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: that are working. So, yeah, we have this. First of all,

581
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: they they stuck to ten hour shooting days, which always

582
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: makes people feel hour shooting days. There was a small

583
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: handful of times when things like we lost power because

584
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: it was there was a lightning storm and had to

585
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: shut down for four hours and then you know, but

586
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: for the most part, they are like sticking to ten

587
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: hour days so that people can go home to their

588
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: families and they're not getting burnt out. So that's number one.

589
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: But the other thing that I just love so much

590
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: is that every Friday, an employee of the Week is

591
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: announced and they're given a one hundred dollars bill and

592
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: it's and you they're they're nominated, and none of the

593
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: producers or directors get to win. Like that's it's not

594
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: about us, it's about degree, right, So so so it

595
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: creates this culture where literally people are gossiping good gossips

596
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: behind people's back. All you guys really showed up, or

597
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: this girl, did you see her hustle? She was killing it.

598
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: She has to win this week, you know, And then

599
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 3: their picture is put on the call sheet all week

600
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: all the following stops so cute. It makes such a

601
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: difference when you show up to a place where you

602
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: know you're being appreciated, where you know people are going

603
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: to take care of you, where you know that if

604
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: you have a concern it will be treated with kindness,

605
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: and where you have like a cast that's so excited

606
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: to be there too. So yeah, it was. It was

607
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: so joy Sometimes you have really joyous experiences and then

608
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: the end product is like fine, but it's not like

609
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: as amazing as the joy that you doing it. And

610
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: sometimes you produce something and it's amazing, but the process

611
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: was really hard and various ways. This was like mistletoemer

612
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: is like a marriage of the two. It's like the

613
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: ways experience and then getting to see the cuts come in,

614
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: I was like, you want.

615
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: To dream one show it's like, and it's good.

616
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: More shows like that, Yeah, we.

617
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Need more incredible. I think it's also like you can

618
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: feel those things too when you watch shows like that, Yes, right,

619
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: you can the energy of it. I don't know somehow

620
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: it comes through and to be able to watch a

621
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: show that is so fun and you can feel it

622
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: from everybody chemistry amongst all.

623
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: The characters immediately, like right, at the jump, you're just

624
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 3: like these people like each other. Yeah, it's very clear.

625
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: It does make it nice land, and I would like

626
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: to visit and keep going forever. I know the end

627
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 3: of season one, I was weeping in the trailer.

628
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: The end.

629
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: I know. Hopefully people will tune in, you know, it's

630
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: just it's streaming, so I think probably a lot of

631
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: people will also wait until all six are out so

632
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: they can binge it because it's a very good binge. Okay,

633
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: but yeah, they're just dropping one every Thursday, and they

634
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: started on Halloween. So we got our second episode dropping tomorrow. Yes, yeah, okay.

635
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: Everybody go watch it, yeah, or wait and binge, but

636
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: just watch it either way. So we get a season two,

637
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: We get a season two exactly.

638
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: That's the hope. That's the hope for all of us.

639
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: Sorry to bring it back to Gale, but I would

640
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: like to know, because Susie wasn't around long enough. If

641
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: you ever, like when you got the gig or since then,

642
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: if you ever like fantasized about what musical number you

643
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: would have done on the show, or like, what would

644
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: you have liked to have done?

645
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: Oh hopelessly devoted to.

646
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: You, Oh classic obviously, Yes, that is the correct answer

647
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: a writer classic.

648
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: Wow.

649
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: Correct.

650
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: The other one was like totally different, which is totally crazy,

651
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: but it would have fit as well as if we

652
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: did whatever Lola wants Loola gats to Yes, just likes exactly.

653
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went the other way. You little Susie gets you.

654
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: Why can't be Yeah, okay, we were robbed of that

655
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: one of that experience.

656
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes an hour long just wasn't enough.

657
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 4: You know, I know, there were many stories Susie Beer,

658
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 4: and it was so fun just to have you before

659
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: it all really went crazy.

660
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: You guys. It was such a fun experience because because

661
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: also it must have been insane for you all. I

662
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: mean I remember when it hit and you guys, yeah

663
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: became I say the Beatles, but that's what I called

664
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: you as soon as became what it was. It was

665
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: just bananas. It was you all skyrocketed so fast. What

666
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: was that experience like for you guys.

667
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: It's funny because it feels a little different than what

668
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: you guys saw for us because we had shot a

669
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: ton before we shot the pilot, and then that aired,

670
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: and then we went back and shot you know, the

671
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: rest of the season, and we were kind of in

672
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: this this bubble where we didn't know what was gonna

673
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: what was to come, and so we were kind of

674
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: like doing it. There was a time where we were

675
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: doing it just for ourselves, which was really really special,

676
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and that's.

677
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: When I was there, because everybody was like it felt

678
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: like going back to high school and you're putting on

679
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: a product. Obviously the quality is a lot better than

680
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: high school, but that energy like camp, like summer quarter,

681
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: you know.

682
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: So exciting. People were excited. We were excited about it,

683
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: but we just didn't know. And then when it blew up,

684
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: I think there wasn't even time. Like I kind of

685
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: use this metaphor of like being on like a bullet

686
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: train and like until the train stops the station, like

687
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: you have no idea what's happening.

688
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Like that's what it felt like to me. Weren't you

689
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: guys also going on tour during your height, Like you

690
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: didn't have right it was like all glee all the time.

691
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: It was like the first like two and a half

692
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: or three years, it was just if we had time off,

693
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: we were somewhere in the world doing press and then

694
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: or weekends.

695
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: We're doing photo shoots or doing the tour, doing a

696
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: music tour like promotional tour or in Australia and all

697
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: these amazing things we got to kind of check off

698
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: the bucket list. But it happened so quickly that like

699
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: you don't you know. That's why, like doing this podcast,

700
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: you're like processing now what that all was at the

701
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: Ripe Age when you were in.

702
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: In Australia, when you were in these various places, did

703
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: you did you ever get to just explore and feel

704
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: like you were enjoying the place or was it really

705
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: point A, point B, point C like running room No,

706
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think we didn't good about that.

707
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the people we had who were I

708
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: guess in charge of us at the studio, they also did.

709
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: They did a really good job too to make sure

710
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: because they were pros and veterans and they they had

711
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: seen it time.

712
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: For us want to blow up.

713
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: They had seen Felicity blow up, They had seen all

714
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: these shows before with these phenomenal like rises to fame,

715
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: and they tried to make it as normal for us

716
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: as possible because they had seen other these casts go

717
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: through it. And so we really did try to enjoy

718
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: like we were on we were in for the ride.

719
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: We were twenty three years old. We had all the

720
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: energy in the world. We were it was our first

721
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: big y. Yeah, we were thrilled.

722
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, you're like, wow, I wish I had

723
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: known to be nicer to some of those guest stars,

724
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: or I hope I was nicer to those guest stars.

725
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: But we were.

726
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: We're so nice to me, by the way, so nice.

727
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: So glad to hear that now.

728
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: And there was season five six You're like, I really

729
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: hope I was nice to those people.

730
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 4: You know.

731
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: It's just something that you learn over time and experience. Tired. Yeah, yes,

732
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: that's what.

733
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: If there was ever a time where we weren't as

734
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: nice as are welcoming as you should have been, it

735
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: was solely because we were tired. There was never a

736
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: time like this person's here, I don't want to know.

737
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: It was like I just need to sleep a little bit.

738
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Well there's also I mean, I will say also to

740
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: temper the thing that I said before about welcoming people.

741
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you have a really intense storyline too, and

742
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: the guests are super excited, they just want to like

743
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: pick your brain about everything. Yeah, kind of you do

744
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: have to have downtime, you like you do have to

745
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: sort of extricate yourself in order to protect yourself. I

746
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: have kind of a a rule because I want to

747
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: talk to everybody all the time, and then I wear

748
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: myself out and then I can show up with the

749
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: energy I need in the scenes sometimes, so I have

750
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: to ask, like our people ahead, like our first d

751
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: d's ahead of times, like can't I need an escape pod?

752
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: So I just need a chair somewhere where nobody else goes.

753
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 3: And I'll hang out, probably mostly with folks, but when

754
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: I need to go just be silent and alone, I

755
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: have to escape and I and I just have that

756
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: in place as like a safety blanket so that I can.

757
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: And I also like I won't ever eat lunch with anybody.

758
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: I just I like what I if I'm number if

759
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: I'm number one and I'm in all the scenes, whatever

760
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: my routine is, can you can you tell me what

761
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: the lunch is. I'll pick out my lunch and if

762
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: you could just deliver it to my trailer and I

763
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: go straight to the trailer, eat in ten minutes and

764
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: then pass out. You know That's And I am such

765
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: a social person and such a like I want to bond.

766
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I love that it's good for you

767
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: to know that about yourself though, so that you can

768
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: protect yourself ahead of time, right, to.

769
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: Protect your energy too, So I fully understand what you

770
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: guys are talking about to totally.

771
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: Like when you're on a set though, and you do

772
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: become family with all these people, you do just want

773
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 2: to be around everyone, and you want to hang out

774
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: and because and be like the crew and with the crew,

775
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: and it's sometimes hard to remember that, like, oh yeah,

776
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: my job here is to be a performer and to

777
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: perform a camp. It's not just showing up like I

778
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: do actually have to, okaycause sometimes it feels like I

779
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: feel silly and like those times like I do just

780
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: need to like stare at a wall for a second,

781
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: yeah and be quiet, And I'm like, I'm not mean,

782
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: I just I need to conserve or like power back up.

783
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: Ye, Like that's right. I do have to perform totally acceptable, Yeah,

784
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: one hundred. And I think learning that about yourself too.

785
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: I used to I used to just completely wipe myself

786
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: out and I would be like hobbling blind back.

787
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is normal, right, and this is how everyone

788
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: does it.

789
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: Our thirteen. I gotta figure out some boundaries.

790
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: Heyes, which is also good, is why, like when you

791
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: were there early enough where none of us had learned

792
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: any of those things. So we were all just like

793
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: happy to have anyone and happy to be there.

794
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: We were so thrilled to be there all the time.

795
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: It was so much fun, so so much fun. We

796
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: ask everybody who's been a part of the Glee family,

797
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: what is the Glee? What is the feeling that Glee

798
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: leaves you with.

799
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: Belonging? Hmmm, that's what I That's what I always felt.

800
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: I would watch every episode and if every single episode

801
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: made me cry, I had I downloaded every soundtrack. Oh serious.

802
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: I was such a huge, huge fan, and I like

803
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: what I loved. I've just loved that it was a

804
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: show about like theater nerds, and I am a theater nerd,

805
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: and theater kids are the best. They're just the best.

806
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: My kids have found their belonging with theater kids like

807
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: that is the biggest gift that has been given to

808
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: both of my children, especially my son, is meeting theater

809
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: kids doing theater because that is the place where he

810
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: has found belonging and where he has found people and

811
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: like every everybody from every different walk of life, is

812
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: all converging, and it doesn't matter how weird you are.

813
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: Weirdness is loved, it's appreciated, it's like celebrated, you know.

814
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: And I think that what Glee. Glee did such a

815
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: good job of allowing all these kind of beautiful weirdos

816
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: to come together and be loved and belong and I

817
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: think that's what we all crave and we all want

818
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: on a very fundamental level. So then that plus the

819
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: like getting to hear awesome songs, and it was just

820
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: the cream on top. But yeah, belonging, that's so beautiful. Well,

821
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: the feeling is mutual.

822
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I know, it's a different feeling, but like Gray's was

823
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: such a place of comfort for me. It actually I

824
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: was having a really hard time in college when it

825
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: first started, and I would go home every weekend because

826
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: I just couldn't like handle being there and I'd watch

827
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: Grays with my family on Sunday and then my dad

828
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: would drive me back to school. And so it was

829
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: one of those things that like Gray's has always been

830
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: like the comfort show that, like Glee has been to

831
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: other people.

832
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: And then also.

833
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Jackson in April were like huge. I shipped them really

834
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: really hard, really really all right right, they were a

835
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: good one. They were a good one anyway.

836
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: I love that, you know, it's really it's really so

837
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: lovely to hear that. I hear it often a lot

838
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: of people say it's my comfort show or you're my

839
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 3: comfort character, and it's just sort of like when things

840
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: feel a drift in at sea, in the world, in

841
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: my life or whatever, I can come here. I think

842
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people feel like it's a safe place

843
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: to feel all the fields and you know that everything

844
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 3: is eventually going to work out, and you can cry,

845
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: you can rage, you can you know, laugh, you can

846
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: gush like all those things, but it's all safe. It's

847
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: a safe space to do it all in totally. Something

848
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: like That's that's something that's just so incredibly powerful about

849
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: what we get to do as artists, what we get

850
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 3: to do as storytellers is allow people in and allow

851
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: them to be seen and not feel so alone and

852
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: feel all the things they want to feel but don't

853
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: feel like they can share out loud, but they can

854
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: do it here. It's like therapy.

855
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, they hit a little extra hard today.

856
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: I know, right, we all need a little we need

857
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: we need it, we need it, we need story we

858
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: need it.

859
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. I think maybe you need to Speaking

860
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: of need, look, we're maybe in need of another musical

861
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: TV show and okay, so if you.

862
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: Could, can I just go write it please?

863
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: I feel like we could.

864
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: We could also take your musical from eleven and just

865
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: mix it in.

866
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: There, because like indigenous stories are important.

867
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: I yes, I think the bad guys, the bad guys

868
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't take the land. The bad guys should not the land,

869
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: they should not, and the outcasts should always be able

870
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: to find a friend.

871
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: That's right.

872
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: Look, listen, they found purpose and friendship at that camp.

873
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: Getting lost in the woods really mean you're ready to

874
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: pitch this to see the rest of us?

875
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: There is the lyric the girls not able to walk anymore,

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00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: and and she's she's she has an appointment with her doctor,

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Speaker 3: and the lyric is believed. No, actually, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I can't say it because okay, okay, I just I

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Speaker 3: can't actually can't. I can't. I can't use I can't

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00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: use because I can't use it. Got it, got it?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: But it has to do with if you believe that

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00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: you're feeling encouraged, then everything is going to be Okay,

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00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: you're getting encouraged and then your problems will all go away.

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00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: So if you can just believe that you're getting encouraged,

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: Believe just believe that you're getting encouraged. Should be great,

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Speaker 3: aren't we trust y?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we trust.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, especially today, so

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Speaker 1: much weird day.

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Speaker 2: But it feels good to laugh again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was such a joy to see you again.

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00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, so many to see you. Bye bye. I

898
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: needed that, I really needed that. I needed that bad.

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Speaker 3: What a joy she is?

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Speaker 2: Can I say something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 2: You know how we get asked all the time about

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00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: a Gleey boot okay, and it's always just like no,

904
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: yues whatever. Like today talking with her and talking about

905
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: what Glee meant to her and looking forward to what

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00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 2: the world needs, the world needs and our country might

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00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: be going through in the next four years.

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Speaker 3: Do we need a glory boot.

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: Or something like it? I feel like the people who

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00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 2: need to see themselves on TV every week, young people

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00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: and need to be reminded that their differences in their

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00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 2: weirdnesses are their strengths and that there are people who

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Speaker 2: love them and celebrate those differences. I feel like preemptively

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00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: we need to create that space and on a broad

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00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: platform for them, for all of us.

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Speaker 3: You heard it here first.

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00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: Oh God, do I text Ryan and we stop doing

918
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: this and be like, now's the time.

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00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, well.

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00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: And Sarah Drew can come back and be on it.

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Speaker 1: Please, I mean, we need her energy and her personality

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Speaker 1: and her warmth.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be Glee, just something like it,

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00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much Sara Drew for coming and

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Speaker 1: reliving Ceasy Pepper with us. She's iconic, We love her

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Speaker 1: and also what a wonderful human being. And I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you're missed. Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and

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Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write

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Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

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Speaker 2: next time.