1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Ah, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: about things falling apart, sometimes about putting them back together, um, 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: sometimes just about enduring difficult times. And it's been a 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: rough couple of weeks, what with the mass shooting in 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Tennessee and the Right accelerating their anti transparanoia, the whole 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, Trump getting arrested and all that, all that, Yes, 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: that has really hit all of us really hard. Yeah, 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and really yeah deeply now that now that Trump is 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: has been charged with felonies, he's officially a friend of mine. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: So Trump, now I really convict. I'm really conflicted between 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: my acab side my illegalist side. It's really it's really hard. 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, thirty four felonies, that's quite a legalist. Very 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: few of the people I know who commit crimes is 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: like a vocation, have that many pretty difficult. But at 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: any rate, you know, it's been a rough couple of weeks, 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: and I thought we could use a lighter episode to 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, help everybody everybody feel better. And I know 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: that you Mia and you gare are both young uns. Uh, 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: you you missed the earlier age of the Internet and 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: the heroes of that ancient age you know when I 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: was a child, you know, it was Jupiter and uh 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: and and all the Greek gods of the old Internet y'all. 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: Y'all have come up more in the Roman gods of 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the old Internet era. So yeah, I wanted. I wanted 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: to talk about an ancient hero of the Internet. And 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: perhaps this will become a series that we do now 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: and again where we we talk about we talk about 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: the gods of the past and today. The ancient deity 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: that we're talking about is kind of like the Internet's Hercules, 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: a man named Troy Herdabes. Have you guys heard of 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Troy Herdabes. No, I've not. I've not heard of Troy Hernabes. 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: But I do have one correction. Jupiter is actually a 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Roman god. The Greek version is you're right, You're right, 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: You're right. Before before some freak dms me and sends 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: me like three phs on this, I'm just gonna put 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: that out there, do not DM me about this. Yeah, 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: wet do that thing where we start, we start including 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: one of these every episode that driver just fucking up 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: purposefully in order to get people. They love doing it, 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: they love being able to hop on. I do, ever, 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: we did get recently, we did the liver King episodes 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: this week and somebody popped on to be like, hey, guys, 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: you're probably not aware of this, but the livers of 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: polar bears contain enough vitamin hundred and forty people something 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: like that, Um, don't eat polar bear livers. This is 46 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: relevant because we are talking about a man today whose 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: lifelong goal was to develop a suit of armor that 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 1: allowed him to fight bears in hand to hand compact. 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean or this is actually very applicable to us 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: because just last week we went to the theater to 51 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: watch Cocaine Bear. You're right this this man would have 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: been one of the only people capable of dealing with 53 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: a cocaine bear. So once upon a time, before the 54 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: breaking of the world, there lived a beautiful maniac named 55 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Troy Hurdibes. Troy was a simple man. He was born 56 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: in Hamilton, Ontario, in nineteen sixty three. He liked the 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: outdoors and he was a dedicated conservationist. The one exception 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: to his abiding love of nature was bears. On August fourth, 59 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, when Troy was twenty one years old, 60 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: he went hiking in central British Columbia. Now, he's given 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: a couple of versions of this story over the years. 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Some that this happened, say that this happened when he 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: was a boy. Others say he was like twenty years old, 64 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: but all agree that he wound up in close proximity 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: to a grizzly bear. In the most exciting and almost 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: certainly untrue version of the story, the bear knocked Troy 67 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: down and he dropped the twenty two caliber rifle he 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: was carrying, which would not have made much difference against 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: a grizzly bear. You will only make it more upsets. 70 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Two is not the up and you want to that situation. 71 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: In a desperate attempt to defend himself, he drew a knife. 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Troy's knives in a minute here now. 73 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: In an interview with Mental Floss many years later, Troy 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: claimed that seeing the knife, the bear thought better of 75 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: attacking him. After this, Okay, that's not how bears were. 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Has this bear been like involved in other fights? Thus, 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: like another mania bear got stabbed behind a seven eleven 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: and is like, na, man, I don't grizz don't funk 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: with knives no more. I've been through that ship like 80 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: a street gay, like nah brought no bro, a're worth 81 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: it and so um. He later claims an expert told 82 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: him he would have been mauled if there'd been any cubs. 83 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: This I believe bears very rarely attack people. Now, a 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: normal man would have taken this number one as boy, 85 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: I sure got lucky, and number two as I should 86 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: be more careful when out in the woods. But Troy 87 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: was not a normal man. His first thought was that 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: he needed to invent a new form of mace made 89 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: specifically four bears. He had been beaten and developing bear 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: mace by an actual scientist. Although the first paper on 91 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: bear mace was published in nineteen eighty four, so it 92 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: makes sense that it wouldn't have been available at the time. 93 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: It was a reasonable thing to be, like, maybe we 94 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: should have a mace for use against bears. There are 95 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: again several versions of what came next. I'm going to 96 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: quote from one that I found in a write of 97 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: by the spec Now quote from then, he decided that 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: his destiny in life was to invent a dependable bear 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: spray repellent, but he realized field testing with bears would 100 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: be needed. This would require a protective suit for the 101 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: person doing the test. In his interview with Mental Floss, 102 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: one of the later pieces on the Man, Troy dropped 103 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: the mace story and claimed that he had the idea 104 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: just to make bear resistant armor a year after his 105 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: grizzly encounter when he was watching RoboCop and decided bear 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: researchers would need protective armor that would let them test 107 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: bear spray and also safely observed grizzly behavior. Troy is 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: something of an unreliable narrator, but I will say I 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: do not doubt that the film RoboCop influenced his subsequent 110 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: ass No, he absolutely had this idea that makes the 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: most sense out of anything you said. It is very logical, 112 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: So it is now. Troy, it should be noted, is 113 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: not the first, probably not the first man who has 114 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: thought I should develop a suit of armor to allow 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: me to grapple with bears in hand to hand combat. Um. 116 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: It is possible that in medieval Europe some people hunted 117 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: bears while wearing full body suits of armor covered in spikes. 118 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: There is debate as to whether or not this really happened. 119 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: The gist of why this is a debate is that 120 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: there's an insane looking suit of armor currently in a 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Houston museum that is probably made in Switzerland or Germany, 122 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: like four hundred dish years ago. Researchers have not conclusively 123 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: determined why it was made or for what purpose, but 124 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: one theory is that it was used for bear abaiting. 125 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: If so, it was used for European bears, which are 126 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: significantly smaller than Presty bears, and as far as we know, 127 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: was never a widespread practice. This is because attempting to 128 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: fight a bear in hand to hand with a suit 129 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: of armor is insane and something only a madman would do. 130 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: But I am going to show you this suit of 131 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: armor because it looks like something from a David Lynch movie. 132 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh I'm so, I'm so thrilled, specifically the face. So 133 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: look at that, look at that beautiful thing. Oh my god. 134 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeahase of that unsettling. But they think probably somewhere around 135 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Austria or Switzerland, although it's not I don't think known 136 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: to a point of certainty. That looks fucked up. It 137 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: looks like it looks like a like like like a 138 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: metal casting at someone's head, but with like but with 139 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: like the pinhead thing. Yeah, it's a hellrazy. I think 140 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: is the movie. Ye, the face on it is distinctly unsettling, 141 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: like they could have just made a normal helmet. But 142 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: no, no no, there's a nose. It's the guy's face. We 143 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: gotta it's We're not doing this right unless we like 144 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: peek into the uncanny valley with this thing. Troy was 145 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: not interested in the fact that attempting to fight a 146 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: bear in body armor is just objectively nuts, and since 147 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: he was as handy as he was unhinged, he set 148 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: swiftly to building a suit of armor and then testing it. 149 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to read another quote from the Specs right up, 150 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: because it's extremely funny. So the suit became his focus 151 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: of attention, putting it through all kinds of tests that 152 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: included being run down by a pickup truck driven by 153 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: his father, rolling off the side of a cliff, and 154 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: being pummeled by bikers with base ball bats. And I'm 155 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: gonna play you a video of Troy um one of 156 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: these tests where Troy gets hit by a tree. It's 157 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: almost exactly that scene from hot Rod. If you've watched 158 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: the movie hot Rod, where they like swing a log 159 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: down at him and hit him. Um, that may in 160 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: fact be what that scene is based on. But I'm 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna share that with y'all. Now here a 162 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: little bit. The log is, Oh my gosh, so guys, 163 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize enoughten. It looks like half this armor 164 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: is held together by duct tape. Like this looks like 165 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: a fever dream combination of the Wizard of and like 166 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: the and like the Battle of Endor. He walks, he 167 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: walks throwing massive logs. And the guy in the middle 168 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: tin suit. It's white. It's a white suit too. Yeah, 169 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: it looks almost like something from um like speed Racer. 170 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Is weird. The aesthetic that I would reckon, I would 171 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: closest compare it too. It is kind of like that 172 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: anime robot style design. Yeah, it's it's it's profoundly unhinged. 173 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: So I want to I want to play you a 174 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: clip of him getting the helmet off so you can 175 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: listen to Troy talk and see this man's face better 176 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: than the first. Yeahs, I had that to that stuff 177 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: on my mouth. Yeah, if I have a most piece, 178 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: a mostpiece, you can do that all day long. I 179 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: got the air bags in the back, so my neck 180 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: hasn't got a lot of play, so that'll be perfect 181 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: for the grizzly. I can. I can take what he 182 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: can give me with that log there if that couldn't 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: do anything to me, And I feel great, like really great. 184 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: And actually my left hand was asleepis now a week? 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: Really you don't say yeah? Damage? Fascinating man, So I'm 186 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: gonna play you now him being attacked by a bunch 187 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: of men with baseball bats as he attempts to move 188 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: in this suit. And I have to emphasize to you, 189 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: he is not capable of moving in this thing. This 190 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: is an immobile suit of armor that he can He 191 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: can almost shuffle in it, but not quite. His idea 192 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: with the with the pickup truck and the bikers. With 193 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: regards to big men, and being an anthropologist, he yet 194 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: he looked at the testings we had originally done with 195 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: normal sized men, you know, one hundred and fifty hundred 196 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and eighty pound, he said. The public isn't gonna buy it. 197 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: They're they're looking at this monstrous, groovy bear and they're 198 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: looking at a normal size man hitting you with bats 199 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: and boards and stuff like that. They're not going to buy. 200 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: You have to give them reality. This is insane. This 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: is so weird, amazing, amazing, like a gang of Venet 202 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: attacking this nerd in a metal suit. Yes, it's so funny. 203 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: It's it's it's extremely funny. They're like and they pick 204 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: like Terminator two looking bikers, like they go out of 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: their way. All of the stylization is super super bizarre. Yeah, 206 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: it's it's such a strained documentary. This is from the 207 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: documentary Project Grizzly, and there's Troy gives. In the various interviews, 208 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: he does some pretty incredible quotes, like years after this, 209 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: he wrote, at fifty two, I have to know whether 210 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: or not the suit will hold. It's one of the 211 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: curiosity things. We tested the suit a lot of ways, 212 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: but never went against the Grizzly. And the suit that 213 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: you're seeing is like the first version of his suit, 214 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: the Ursus Mark one. He eventually gets up to the 215 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: Mark six and spends more than one hundred and fifty 216 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollars making various versions of these bear suits. Actually, sorry, 217 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: I think the one that we're looking at in the 218 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: documentary is the Mark six because he did eventually, after 219 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: years of this quest, get a documentary and interested and 220 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the film Project Grizzly was made about his quest. One 221 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: fun piece of trivia about it is that it's one 222 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: of Quentin Tarantino's favorite movies. That makes a lot of sense. 223 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. It makes Yeah, it 224 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: makes total sense. Now, in order to give you just 225 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: one last piece of context about the personality, what kind 226 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: of man is Troy her to Bees or was Troy 227 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: her Tobes? I am going to play you a clip 228 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: of an interview with this man from the documentary that's 229 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: just perfect. He's holding in this a gigantic booie knife 230 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: in his hand, and he has another booie knife strapped 231 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: across his shoulder in such a way that it's on 232 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: his shoulder but pointed down yea, which is the way 233 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: a crazy man carries a booie knife. He's also, it's worth, 234 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: dressed as like a frontier settler, but wearing like aad 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Harry Paray, I go into the bush. I don't use 236 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: a gun, never, don't believe in guns. I swear by 237 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: my knives. They save your life a thousand times around. 238 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: If a grizzlies gonna come at you. And I'm not 239 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: saying knives are gonna save you, That's not what I'm saying. 240 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is you've got a gun, and that 241 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: grizzlies fifty feet one hundred feet away from you got 242 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: one shot. I don't give a shit who you are 243 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: or how steady you are. You've got one shot, not Grizzly. 244 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: And if he's still coming at you that gun, you 245 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: might as well use the barrel on him, or you 246 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: can use the stock on that's useless. But if you've 247 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: got some half decent knives, at least you got a 248 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: fighting chance with animals. But that's not the reason why 249 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: when I go into the mountains, or I go into 250 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the bush, or any man goes into the bush, they 251 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: don't carry knives for the four legged animals. They carry 252 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: knives for the two legged animals. Because nowadays it's a 253 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: lot like the old days. You've got a lot of 254 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: whackos up there, and it's knives you want to close quarters. 255 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: You do, indeed have a lot of whackos up there, 256 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Troy um. So that's that's a brief introduction to Troy Hertebes. Now, 257 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: the suit that you've seen in the Project Project Grizzly 258 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: documentary weighed one hundred and fifty pounds and it was 259 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: not in any way powered. As you see in the dock, 260 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: he can kind of barely shuffle with it. He is 261 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: unable to move or even stand on uneven ground. He 262 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: falls over very easily. Troy liked the documentary, felt like 263 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: it helped expose his work to a wider audience, but 264 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: he took issue with the fact that the documentary did 265 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: not delve into what he described as the science behind 266 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: it all, adding being able to get hit by the 267 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: truck took years of development, now years of practice of 268 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: getting hit in the trucks. Yeah, it's you can't just 269 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: jump into getting hit by a truck like that. In 270 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, a trainer who probably should not 271 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: be allowed around animals let Troy get into a cage 272 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: with a Kodiak bear. Now, thankfully the bear was too 273 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: confused by Troy's armor to what to get near him, 274 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: which you might this is technically a wind for Troy. 275 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: The armor did do its job, just scare them away. Yeah, 276 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, the bear just saw that was like, you 277 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: know what, this guy, it's clearly unwell. I do not 278 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: want to be around this person. Right now. Here's mental 279 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Floss interviewing Troy. She was so terrified she urinated her 280 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: abuse recalls I didn't look human enough. Limited mobility and 281 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: questionable usefulness combined to doom the Mark series. We would 282 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: never use a suit like that, says Lana Sierronello, PhD. 283 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: A bare behavior expert, a solid knowledge of bare behaviors. 284 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: The best thing one can use to avoid being attacked, 285 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: which is rare. And this is this is common whenever 286 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: they talk to actual bear experts and researchers, like do 287 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: you want a suit of armor? They're like, no, that 288 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: that's not at all useful. It's very easy to not 289 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: get attacked by bears. Actually, and again, if you watch 290 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the documentary Grizzly Man and the man in the documentary, 291 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: Grizzly Man is a similar type of person to Troy Hertabes. 292 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: They are both people. I do believe Troy Hertabes might 293 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: need a suit of bear armor because he seems like 294 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: the kind of person to push grizzly bears past their 295 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: limits of comfort. Very rarely will someone else wind up 296 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: in that situation. Nonetheless, the armor brought Hertabes fame. He 297 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: was all over the internet. I found out about him 298 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: because one of my colleagues at Cracked wrote about him 299 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: in an article, but like you would see this guy 300 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: all the time, I'm sure I I think I also 301 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: ran across him on something awful. Earlier, he would regularly 302 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: put out videos. He had an early kind of understanding 303 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: for how to make yourself into a brand on the 304 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: internet in order to get funding, and so he was 305 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: very successful at raising money in order to make new 306 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: iterations of his armor. He was also recruited on several 307 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: Japanese game shows, and he inspired a two thousand and 308 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: three episode of The Simpsons where Homer constructs a bear 309 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: fighting suit. He even filmed an outie commercial. Of course, 310 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: he always reinvested the proceeds directly into making more suits 311 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: of bear armor. Now, the good news is he eventually 312 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: moved on from wanting to make armor that was specifically 313 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: geared towards fighting bears, but he never got over his 314 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: desire from making a suit of elaborate body armor. So 315 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: he pivoted, claiming that now his brother was in the military, 316 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: and so he wanted to make flexible body armor themed 317 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: after the armor in Halo to help keep soldiers and 318 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: swat officers safe during dangerous raids. His next suit was 319 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: called the Trojan and it featured a compass in the 320 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: dick for reasons that are deeply confusing. Wait, that's not 321 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: even it's not even a useful spot, like put it 322 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: on your watch him. He is adamant that he had 323 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: talked to special Forces guys and they said, right in 324 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: the dick is where you want a compass. It like 325 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: flipped down, so it looks like he has a penis 326 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: that's made out of compass. Okay, that that is kind 327 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: of funny. I'm gonna play you a clip of this armor, 328 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: which I will say looks a lot more professional than 329 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: the last suit, the first ballistic full exoskeleton body suit 330 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: of armor. This came from twenty years of development through 331 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: the Bear suits and about seventeen hundred and fifty hours 332 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: of actual building time. And it came from so many 333 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: calls I got from friends of mine in Iraq and 334 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: an Afghanistan. My brother was in the military, talking about 335 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: is there can you not go in the direction that 336 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: we need, which is you know, against the ieeds improvised 337 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: explosive devices, and you know, build it to the point 338 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: where you've got the flexibility, the lightness, but with the 339 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: strength of what the bear suits were. And that's where 340 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: that's where this came from. So I'm going to tell 341 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: you right now that suit is not going to help 342 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you against an IED. The gigantic heavy armor you see 343 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: in the hurt Locker only kind of helps you if 344 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: it's a pretty small I eed, what he's built is 345 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: not going to protect you from like an explosively formed 346 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: penetrator or like a five thousand pound fertilizer five hundred 347 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: pound fertilizer bomb or something like that. To test this, though, 348 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: Troy hired a former military marksman, the guy who he 349 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: claimed had previously covered him out in the woods on 350 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: bare expeditions with less lethal amo, and he asked this 351 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: man to shoot him point and blank with a rifle. 352 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: So thankfully, this guy was like Troy, it's illegal to 353 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: point a loaded weapon at a person in our province. 354 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot you directly in the chest 355 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: with a hunting rifle. So Troy had him take the 356 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: armor out of the suit and then shoot at it, 357 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: and the bullet went immediately through the armor. It says 358 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: a lot about Troy that his first instinct was not 359 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: shoot the armor without a human being in it. But um, 360 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: at least he was yeah, at least the guy who 361 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: was testing it did not shoot him directly in the 362 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: chest and kill him. I'm gonna quote again from mental 363 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: Flaws here. Herdibes tweaked the Trojan, which he debuted in 364 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven to little notice. Eventually, he offered 365 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: is designed to the Canadian military for free, but it 366 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: can take years for armed forces to evaluate new technology, 367 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: and existing contracts with equipment vendors render it near impossible 368 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: for independent inventors without backing or references to succeed with 369 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: industrial military contracts are sewn up and they don't want 370 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: anyone stepping on toes. He says. Engineers pick my brain, 371 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: but I can't be affiliated with them. I'm a loose 372 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: cannon and my methodology is backward. I do not disagree 373 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: with that statement. He did, however, have several other inventions 374 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: over the years. For one thing, Troy invented a burn paste, 375 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: a gooey substance that hardens when exposed to flame in 376 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: order to protect you. Canada's Discovery Channel documented him covered 377 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: in the burn pace, being exposed to temperatures above thirty 378 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: six hundred degrees fahrenheit. He held a blowtorch to his 379 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: helmeted head for ten minutes and it worked. This leaves 380 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: out a fun fact, which is that Troy was inspired 381 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: to make his burn pace because one day, while wearing 382 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: his suit, it overheated, burning most of his body very badly. 383 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: So he needed to make the burnt paste in order 384 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: to protect himself. Yeah, it doesn't seem easy to get 385 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: in and out of. Like, no, it would not be 386 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: easy to dawn your If you look at the helmet there, 387 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: your peripheral version is going to be shit. It's not 388 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: going to be good for like fighting in and it 389 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: is going to exhaust you. Like he builds an air 390 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: conditioner for it, but that's only gonna do so much 391 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: like body armor is always kind of like a trade 392 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: off between mobility and protection, and something like a plate 393 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: carrier is worth it. But full body armor that's not 394 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: powered in a meaningful way just is not going to 395 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: be practical yet. This is why I do not respect 396 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: the Mandalorians. No, no, you you've been vocal about that 397 00:22:49,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: for years. I have. I'm gonna play you a video 398 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: of him testing this firepaste from that Canadian Discovery Channel 399 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: documentary because it's very funny. Troy envisions neighborhoods in the 400 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: path of a forest fire being sprayed with a thin 401 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: layer of firepaste, effectively starving out the fire. And according 402 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: to Troy, clean up is a breeze due to firepace 403 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: only weakness water. See it turns back into a paste. 404 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: See I'm already into a layer. It's just past now 405 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: which is firepiece. This is its natural steam. And when 406 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: it dries. See I'm already slopping it off. Now there's 407 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the is there It turns to the peace. This is 408 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen on your host. Now it's a he's 409 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: chewing it up. Oh and oh that's so cross. He's 410 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: just spitting it all over his house. The dog comes along, 411 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: takes a little in his mouth, washes it around and 412 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: spits it out. Nothing's gonna happen. It's biden ridable, non topsic. 413 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: Don't have to worry abe anything happening. So how would 414 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: a homeowner remove the firepace from the outside of their home? 415 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: This is gonna be Bob fus next door. Bob Sulst 416 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: is gonna be fine. The next day he's gonna come 417 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: up with his garden the holes of a cannabier and 418 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: in two hours he'll be ready for the football game. 419 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Oh what, there goes to the house. After ten minutes, 420 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: Troy inspects the firepaced house. Look at look at this. 421 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: Look at this. There's a little barbie. She's all kay. 422 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: Barbie's fire Barbie's sister. The barbie is clearly sin. Now 423 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: he does note again that the only weakness of the 424 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: fire paste is water. This might reduce its efficacy, but 425 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: I think he envisions it being dumped on neighborhoods in 426 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: the path of a fire. They decided not to do this. Now, 427 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: why why does he keep giving platforms? Like? Why why 428 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: does he continue? He was because because this was really 429 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: funny to everyone on the Internet. So a documentary that 430 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: came out would get shared all over. People would watch it. 431 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: It would get him attention, he would get donations. There 432 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: was like one point where he had to he had 433 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: to sell his body armor. He had to like sell 434 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: it to a pawn shop because he was broke, and 435 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: a fan bought it back from the pawn shop and 436 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: gave it to him so he could continue. Yeah that's nice. Yeah, 437 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: he had a fan base. Like I said, he was 438 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: a hero of the old Internet. He did eventually succeed 439 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: in making an armor suit that was resistant to twelve 440 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: gage shotgun shells, which he acts like is very impressive. 441 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Shotgun shells are not good at penetrating armor. Most soft 442 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: body armor vests will stop a shot shell from penetrating it. 443 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: Shotguns are not for penetrating armor, there for damaging meat. 444 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: But Troy made a big deal about how this would 445 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: save the lives of soldiers in war. His next invention, 446 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: as he was continuing to iterate his body armor, was 447 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: something called the Godlight device. Now, Troy never gave much 448 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: detail on what the Godlight was, but he says it 449 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: shrunk tumors in mice as well as his sister's tumor, 450 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: and he would tell interviewers he was pretty sure it 451 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: could cure Parkinson's disease. Light is extremely effective against certain cancers. 452 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: All I did was take all spectrums of light electromagnetic 453 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: radiation and put them together and it works. I don't 454 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: know why, but I think that's how you get cancer. 455 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: But okay, funny, funny, you mentioned that. So obviously his 456 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: claims about the Godlight were never validated by any outside force, 457 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: in part because shining whatever the fuck he's invented on 458 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of sick people has ethical considerations to it. 459 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: But Troy turned the light on himself and experienced what 460 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: he calls the hide effect. I think as in Doctor jekyline, 461 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: mister Hyde, his hair fell out and he lost twenty 462 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: pounds curious a mystery. Then he claims the godlight mysteriously 463 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: stopped working and he didn't have the money to fix 464 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: it up. There are amazing I love this man. It's 465 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: it is. It is fascinating that the closer society comes 466 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: to this complete collapse, we get more of these little 467 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: weirdos who are like trying to figure out how to 468 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: survive the apocalypse and exactly the wrong way. Yes, um, 469 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to read another quote from Mental Floss article today. 470 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: Hertabes operates a scrapyard in Ontario and dismisses notions of patents. 471 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: The stuff is too easy to duplicate and it costs 472 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars to file an application. He rejects offers 473 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: to outright sell his creations like Firepaste, because he frequently 474 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: sells off shares to fund their development. By the time 475 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: I got Firepace to the point of testing, seventy percent 476 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: of it was owned by investors, so when a university 477 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: wants it, I only have thirty percent left. They're not 478 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: interested in that. And yet Hernabes can't stop inventing. He 479 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: still feels compelled to put in twenty one hour days 480 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: refining his projects. His current plan is to find funding 481 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: for the Apache, the latest version of his Rosian suit, 482 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: which he says protects ninety three percent of a user's 483 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: body and offers ninety six percent flexibility. A prototype will 484 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: cost seventy thousand dollars. It'll take six to eight months 485 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: to build by hand. I'll try to market it to 486 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: law enforcement like SWAT. He needs another one hundred thousand 487 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: dollars to rebuild the Godlight, renamed the EMR five, which 488 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: he now claims will only cure breast cancer. He wants 489 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: to take it to John's Optics for testing. So well, 490 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited for SWAT teams to be using his inventions. Yes, yes, 491 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: I do support that. Thanks to that dit compass, they'll 492 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: never get lost at the wrong house again. Could really 493 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: save a lot of lives. That's the problem SWAT teams 494 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: have is poor land nav. I think so. I think 495 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: the SWAT team should wear that. Every SWAT team member 496 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: should be forced to wear that barrasuit for everything they do. Yes, 497 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: the only thing Swat could get du so. Tragically, Troy 498 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: died in like twenty twelve, I think in a fiery collision. Yeah, 499 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: he drove right into a few tanker. Oh yeah, it's 500 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: very sad. He was fifty four years old old. His 501 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: widow says that he swerved his car or the police 502 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: say that he swerved his car into the pathway of 503 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: the truck. He had been very depressed because he'd encountered 504 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: financial difficulties and had not been able to sell his inventions. Um, 505 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: obviously this is very sad for them. He seems like, 506 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: despite everything, he was a fun guy to be around, 507 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: and then yeah, fell on hard times. Um it is. 508 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: It is a depressing end to the story. But Troy 509 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: lives on in the documentary project Grizzly, and in the 510 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: impact he had on all of our hearts, and in 511 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: the memory that you know, even if your dreams are 512 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: are crazy, you should you should try and live them 513 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: because who knows, Maybe maybe you'll develop a suit that 514 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: allows you to fight a Grizzly bar in hand to 515 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: hand combat. Anyway, That's that's this Hero of the Internet 516 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: episode I hope you all found it edifying. That is 517 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: that is an inspiring in ringtail. Yeah, um, it's it's 518 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, he's fucking more of an inventor than 519 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: Elon Musk has been. And he would have been a 520 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: better ruler of Twitter, if that's true, was in charge 521 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: of Twitter. He's he's really the last guy from the 522 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: old error of capitalism where you would actually like return 523 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: your profits into into R and D instead of just 524 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: like paying Elon Musk like forty seven million dollars to 525 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: hire a bunch of consultants who also make forty seven 526 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah. One thing you have to say about 527 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Troy is he was not He was not in this 528 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: for the money. This was a man who believed more 529 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: strongly than I think I've ever believed in anything about 530 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: the idea of building a suit of armor to fight 531 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: grisly bears, um and whatever else you can say about Troy, 532 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: he was absolutely, absolutely honest in that belief. And I 533 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: think I'm going to end by playing a brief montage 534 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: of him testing out his first version of the armored suit, 535 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: which looks more or less like a set of heavy 536 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: base ball armor. Like it looks like someone wearing body 537 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: armor and a baseball helmet or a sorry, a football helmet. 538 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I think it just is a football helmet. 539 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, here's here's Troy's early tests in nineteen eighty eight. 540 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: That's definitely a ball helmet. That one looks kind of cool. 541 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: That one looks pretty cool too. Yeah. They look increasingly 542 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Space Marini in this period, and he has some range 543 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: of motion, doesn't even have his helmet on, just knocking 544 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: him down with what looked like to buy force. It doesn't. 545 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: It does look more Oh my gosh, he just he 546 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: keeps getting he walks right in the face. Yeah, it's 547 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: it's just amazing. That last one looks super space Marine 548 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: as Yeah. Yeah, some of them looked pretty cool. Um, 549 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: and he didn't die from anything related to the suit testing, 550 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: So you got to give him one thing. He knew 551 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: how to make a suit of armor that would not 552 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: get you killed doing the kind of shit Troy Hertabes 553 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: like to do. It seems like he was good with 554 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: like with like blunt force trauma armor. Did anyone ever 555 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: do like a CTE skit like test on him every dime? 556 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: Because this man had a thousand micro head injuries. Absolutely 557 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the real lesson here is that 558 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: he was able. He was he was able to continue 559 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: his work thanks to Canadian healthcare. Um. He was probably 560 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: like five percent of the entire Canadian healthcare system budget 561 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: just dealing with all of Troy's concussions. Yeah. Anyway, that's 562 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: the story of Troy Hertabies. I hope you've all found 563 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: it useful. Um, go into the world, and if your 564 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: dream is to create a suit of powered armor that 565 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: will allow you to defeat a grizzly bear in unarmed combat, 566 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: then by god, you know, shoot for the stars. It 567 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 568 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 569 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 570 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 571 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated 572 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.