WEBVTT - The Uncertain Future of LIV Golf and the Framework Agreement

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Friday Egg Golf Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're talking about where Live Golf stands at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of its twenty twenty three season. The Saudi

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<v Speaker 1>Funded Golf League's Team Championship in Miami is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>this week, so I figured it would be a good

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<v Speaker 1>time to take stock and see what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>Live Golf. My guest is Adam Woodard. He's a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>for Golf Week who covers Live on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I will talk about a variety of storylines

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<v Speaker 1>that defined this year for Live including its recent rejection

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<v Speaker 1>by the Official World Golf Ranking, which is currently playing

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<v Speaker 1>out as a controversy. We're also going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>liv's supposed agreement with the PGA Tour where that stands,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the league's declining status in the news cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to say that we haven't heard

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<v Speaker 1>as much from Livegolf this year. Before we get to Adam, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Woodard on Livegolf's twenty twenty three season. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Woodard, why don't we start with the latest news

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<v Speaker 1>out of livegolf World, and that is that the tour's

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<v Speaker 1>application for official World Golf Ranking points has been denied.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not a big surprise, but can you take me

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<v Speaker 1>through this story and why it's important for Live and

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<v Speaker 1>its players.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of actually surprised that it wasn't accepted, given

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<v Speaker 2>how long it took. I mean, it's the whole discussion

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<v Speaker 2>was what usually takes a year. It could be up

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<v Speaker 2>upwards of a year long process for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when that one Asian tour got Funder got points,

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost eighteen months, and that was right in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of Live's application last year in July. So

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the longer that it went on, it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of going to be like, oh, they might actually

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<v Speaker 2>they're working out a way to give them points, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's based on only a select few, it's based on

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<v Speaker 2>the tournament. You know, it's obviously going to be tiered.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that they won't get the same amount of

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<v Speaker 2>points that a PGA Tour, a DP World Tour event

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<v Speaker 2>would get. But I thought they might actually get them.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I'm not surprised that they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing I am kind of shocked about was

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<v Speaker 2>was Liv's response to not getting points. I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that really stood out from that very lengthy

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<v Speaker 2>statement that they put out was they didn't once address

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<v Speaker 2>the main issue that the OWGR brought up, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they couldn't get around the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a closed door circuit, which is ninety five percent

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<v Speaker 2>true and the five percent that it's not true is

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<v Speaker 2>Live does plan to have that promotion relegation for next season,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's only three players that can get in, and

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<v Speaker 2>players who are relegated can still play their way in,

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<v Speaker 2>so like it's not like in you know, in English football.

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<v Speaker 2>We know a lot about English soccer. Excuse me that

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<v Speaker 2>we know a lot of you know, promotion relegation. Once

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<v Speaker 2>you're relegated, like you're in the bottom tier, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>done for the next year, you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Work your way back up. Yeah, yeah, you've got to,

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<v Speaker 1>like a spend a year in the lower league exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to spend a year on the Asian Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>You can spend stenson or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you spend two months without a job for next year,

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<v Speaker 2>but then you can still play your way into through

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<v Speaker 2>one of those spots that they do give for the

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<v Speaker 2>Asian Tour, the Order of Mayor the International Series, that

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<v Speaker 2>Order of Merit. You know, that's how Andy oagle Tree

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get a spot for next year. He's

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<v Speaker 2>basically already locked in for that. So they have three

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<v Speaker 2>spots up for grabs. So it's not a fully closed circuit,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the most part it is. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was crazy that they released that huge, long,

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<v Speaker 2>lengthy statement, like Tiger Woods esque level of saying a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot with will saying nothing at all, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they didn't address the one concern that the

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<v Speaker 2>OWGR brought up I thought was kind of of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting and telling in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a little bit odd. Why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>do basics for a second here? What were the stakes

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<v Speaker 1>of this decision by the ow GR for live What

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<v Speaker 1>would it have meant for them to get World Ranking points?

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<v Speaker 1>And what doesn't mean that they are apparently not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well what it What it would have meant had they

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<v Speaker 2>gotten points was easier access into majors. As we all know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the o wgr's main position is yes, ranked players,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also goes through to get players into majors.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the stakes now, now that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be getting points is well, are the majors going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to think up some sort of you know, exemption

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<v Speaker 2>criteria for live players. Do you take the top five,

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten, the top whatever from their points list

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<v Speaker 2>and give them exemptions into majors?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows. I think that's going to be the easiest

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<v Speaker 2>way to do what each major can have already has

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<v Speaker 2>their own credit is already has their own criteria for

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<v Speaker 2>giving exemptions in spots. So I think every major is

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to have a different take on Live going forward,

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<v Speaker 2>if they have any at all, or if the status

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<v Speaker 2>quo remains the same. If you've seen Phil Michelson on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter this morning, he's going off and doing his thing,

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<v Speaker 2>replying to people and giving his opinions. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest issue now is going to be, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Live is saying that the OWGR isn't a credible world

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<v Speaker 2>ranking system anymore, And in some ways you could there

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<v Speaker 2>is some merit to that if they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be ranking those live players. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>Live has been open to changing its format. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>Live officials will say this all the time if you

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<v Speaker 2>ask how it's going and you know, what's the talking

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<v Speaker 2>point for him? They say, well, you know, we're building

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<v Speaker 2>the plane while it's already in the air. So and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they've been doing for the last eighteen months

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<v Speaker 2>when they started, when film made those scary mphors quote.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they've been adapting, they've been changing quickly. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's been something they've been able to do, is they

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<v Speaker 2>can make changes if they see fit and if they

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<v Speaker 2>need to. Is Live going to be able to put

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<v Speaker 2>their pride aside and change up some things to open

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<v Speaker 2>up the doors a little bit? I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen in the short term. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>their players still have a year or two left on contracts,

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<v Speaker 2>so that'd be kind of difficult to do to open

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<v Speaker 2>up more positions for players. But it's it's that at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, it's looking like if Live doesn't change their format,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not getting points. It seems to be as simple

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<v Speaker 2>cut and dry as that. But we'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 2>over the next you know, three or four months or so.

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<v Speaker 2>With the framework agreement. Maybe that changes something if this

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<v Speaker 2>deal does get pushed through, But it's it's all up

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<v Speaker 2>in the air right now. With even more so. But

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<v Speaker 2>the ramifications for them not getting points is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty big going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I should clarify that we are recording this on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>October twelfth. It's going to come out next week. I

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<v Speaker 1>should always make that note when we're discussing Live because

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<v Speaker 1>these are dynamic situations. But yes, as you mentioned this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Mickelson took to Twitter as he does, and he

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<v Speaker 1>loves it. He can't he can't get enough. He and

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<v Speaker 1>stop himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so he's he's going at Trevor Immlman, Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Porter like everybody can get it, Like step up if

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<v Speaker 2>you Phil is. Phil is ready to go this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's ready to go this week.

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<v Speaker 1>He's taken on the world. So his basic argument, as

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I can tell, is that the majors

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<v Speaker 1>are protecting themselves. And this would seem to be an

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<v Speaker 1>odd argument because the main entity that gets protected by

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<v Speaker 1>Live not receiving World ranking points would surely be the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour because if Live doesn't have world ranking points,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of currently informed great players are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go there because they don't want to risk missing

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<v Speaker 1>the majors. But Phil is taking this a step further

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<v Speaker 1>and saying that the majors are protecting themselves because after all,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the governing bodies and the majors that made

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<v Speaker 1>this decision essentially, and so his basic argument is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit convoluted to my ear. But what he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that if there were a world in which Live

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<v Speaker 1>had world ranking points and all of the best players

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<v Speaker 1>in the world decide to play for Live, then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, Live would have more bargaining power with

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<v Speaker 1>the majors, and that would ultimately hurt the majors because

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<v Speaker 1>they would have to end up, I guess, giving up

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<v Speaker 1>more money to the players because Live is more player

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<v Speaker 1>focused as far as Phil is concerned, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>majors don't want that. According to Phil, that's his argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what people in Live world are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about the owgr issue, that it's not just j

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<v Speaker 1>Monahan and the PGA too are pulling the strings with it,

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<v Speaker 1>that all of the majors are sort of ganging up

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<v Speaker 1>against Live and trying to make sure that it's not successful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've been Lived, folks, and people tied in with

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<v Speaker 2>Live have been playing the victim cards since they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to team up with the menotaur in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the night, thinking that would automatically get them points.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's such a strange little story, and it's always

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<v Speaker 1>one gambit that Live used to try to get World

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<v Speaker 1>Ranking points, one of the manyiate itself with essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>dead tour that did happen to have OWGR status.

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<v Speaker 2>Just thinking that just because if you say, oh, we're

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<v Speaker 2>aligned with them now, that's going to get us in

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<v Speaker 2>like that that I still can't believe, like reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>that story and calling people figuring that out. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most it's one of the what more wild

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<v Speaker 2>moves that LIVE has made over the last few last

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<v Speaker 2>few years. But it also shows they're willing to try

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<v Speaker 2>anything to get points. So going back to what we

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, that means they might be willing to open

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<v Speaker 2>up their criteria and change things up because they are

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<v Speaker 2>willing to do whatever it takes to be successful and

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<v Speaker 2>to get that seat at the table. They've shown that

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<v Speaker 2>now they want to do everything other than comply with

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<v Speaker 2>the OWGR, which they have also shown. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's crazy how you know, they're just willing to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, we're gonna try this and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to speak it into existence. And then the massive

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<v Speaker 2>issue that the OWGR has with them, they just don't

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<v Speaker 2>even address it, don't even talk about it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>if it blows my mind that they're not even willing

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<v Speaker 2>to entertain that publicly, but no live officials that they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted play the victim card. They were saying this. In Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>we had one of those like behind closed doors meetings

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<v Speaker 2>with the select group of the media to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>their their pathways to live in their promotion relegation system,

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<v Speaker 2>and even then stuff was talked about how they were

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<v Speaker 2>they were weren't getting the kind of response from the

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<v Speaker 2>OWGR that they thought that they deserved, and at that

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<v Speaker 2>point they had already put their application in and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any changes to their system. So I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what they were looking for other than they knew

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<v Speaker 2>what was what was expected of them and what the

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<v Speaker 2>OWGR wanted, and they just expected them to bend over

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<v Speaker 2>and do what they do what they say, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>just not going to happen. It's's there's too many different

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<v Speaker 2>entities at play, and I think it's really important to

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<v Speaker 2>point out what you said a lot of what Live

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<v Speaker 2>officials were upset with early on throughout this process was

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, Jay Monahan Keith Pelly got

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<v Speaker 2>from the PGA Tour and the dp World Tour were

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<v Speaker 2>on the board and they thought that that was a

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<v Speaker 2>massive conflict of interest, which in a way, yeah, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of was, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they recused themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and then it was the majors that did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So now they're directing fire at the majors and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's the same thing all over again, but instead

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, Monahan and Pelly in the Crossairers, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the Green Jackets at Augusta National, the

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<v Speaker 2>folks at the RNA, and the PJ of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this Live versus the Major's stance that now

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be getting adopted by the likes of Phil

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<v Speaker 1>Mickelson is a little bit odd to me because one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that the majors can do to render all of

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<v Speaker 1>this irrelevant is just to provide an acceptable number of

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<v Speaker 1>spots in their tournament to the top whatever number of

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<v Speaker 1>players on the Live points list, and that would essentially

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<v Speaker 1>circumvent the owgr's power to determine which players get to

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<v Speaker 1>play in the majors. Now, I should be more specific

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<v Speaker 1>about this because I believe that the PGA Championship does

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<v Speaker 1>not currently use OWGR. Crisis here, right, Yeah, the Masters does,

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<v Speaker 1>and the US Open does. I often get this wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>so to the listeners, I apologize. I'm a golf architecture reporter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but in any case, I think that's the case. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there are complexities with each major that need to

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<v Speaker 1>be considered. But if the PGA Championship, the US Open,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Masters and the Open Championship all decided, we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, say that the top ten or twelve on

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<v Speaker 1>the Live points list, you all can be in the major.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly the OWGR stuff is kind of irrelevant, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's all this really boils down to, is access to

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<v Speaker 1>the majors.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, yeah, And I think the one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I also find interesting is the fact that they want

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<v Speaker 2>to play the victim card, but also two of those

0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.080
<v Speaker 2>majors you can go play your way into, like their opens.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you want to play the Open, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to play the US Open, go qualify, Like you knew

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<v Speaker 2>that this was going to be a potential, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>risk when you went to Live that was well, known,

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<v Speaker 2>and anybody who says it wasn't well known as lying

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<v Speaker 2>or naive or an unpleasant mix of the two. But

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<v Speaker 2>like Taylor Goochs last year getting all upset about not

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<v Speaker 2>getting in, like then go qualify, and then he played

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<v Speaker 2>the victim woe is me card they don't want me there.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't want me there, I'm not going to go. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then then stop complaining and and pipe down and go

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<v Speaker 2>play on Live and go go make your tens of

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<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars like he's made this year, and he's

0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.560
<v Speaker 2>played well this year on Live. I'll give it to

0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.600
<v Speaker 2>him not to pop Taylor too much, even though he's

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<v Speaker 2>a very easy target for some of the stuff that

0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.560
<v Speaker 2>he says sometimes. But it's just that just that look

0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.600
<v Speaker 2>at us woe is us thing that it just it

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<v Speaker 2>drives me nuts when there are there are ways around

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<v Speaker 2>this and this can be avoided. But to your point, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like I said earlier, and like you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to come down to the majors giving exemptions.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have no idea like what what number would

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<v Speaker 2>be would work? And what number is the proper ways

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<v Speaker 2>at five? Is it ten? Like I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what that it would even look like or what would

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<v Speaker 2>even need to go into creating that kind of exemption criteria, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't know if anyone would even be

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<v Speaker 1>happy with the number, yeah, that they'll always would come

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<v Speaker 1>up with, you know, number of thirteen on the list.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's twelve, would be like, well what about me?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So so it would all kind of be messy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I suppose major exemptions kind of always are.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always somebody on the outside looking in. Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the source of the owgr's power right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why everybody is arguing about it. That's really what

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to, because otherwise it's just a ranking

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't know, some players kind of care about

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<v Speaker 1>getting world number one and invest in that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that feeling maybe has gone away over the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of years. And that really what it comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to is access to the majors, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>why the OWGR is currently powerful. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>OWGR has criteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and which which they said can be flexible to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair, they said they can be flexible with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the areas which they said in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dawson said to the said to Doug Ferguson with the

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<v Speaker 2>AP and his and his initial story that broke that news,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're willing to be silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah they are. You know, criterias maybe a misleading.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not requirements, they're not rules. They're guidelines that the

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<v Speaker 1>OWGR board uses to determine whether a certain tour qualifies.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of tours have have qualified that haven't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily had the had that you know, most consistently competitive

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<v Speaker 1>or traditional types of events, and so to an extent,

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<v Speaker 1>you can understand why some Live folks are are unhappy

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<v Speaker 1>with this decision. But now that we all are aware

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<v Speaker 1>of what the owgr's key criteria are in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that we definitely weren't a few years ago. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know so much more about what the OWGR asks

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<v Speaker 1>of a golf league now than than than I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a couple of years ago. But Live can

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<v Speaker 1>make some changes, presumably to reverse this decision next year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're inclined to do that, whether

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<v Speaker 1>there's any chance that they're going to do that, But

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<v Speaker 1>what changes would need to make? What are the key

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<v Speaker 1>things here? Would it be this kind of promotion and relegation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, open access to the league and a possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of being demoted from the league. Is that the main

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<v Speaker 1>issue or are there other things that Live would need

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<v Speaker 1>to alter in order to become acceptable to the AUWGR.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking into this more now because now this

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<v Speaker 2>has really peaked my interest over the last few days

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<v Speaker 2>with all of this happening and really digging into what,

0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, what the OWGR wants from a Live But

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<v Speaker 2>if you just look at the AP story, the main

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<v Speaker 2>reason was the fact that it was a closed system

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<v Speaker 2>and that they don't have an open door policy for

0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.800
<v Speaker 2>other players to play their way in. If you can

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<v Speaker 2>only allow three new players at most or four new

0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.919
<v Speaker 2>players at most in and it's it just doesn't It

0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like that's going to be the way to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're going to need to open that up to

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<v Speaker 2>even more people. And the fact that like if you're

0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.280
<v Speaker 2>a captain and you are in the relegation zone, you're

0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.439
<v Speaker 2>automatically in Like the way that Live sees contracts, they

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.920
<v Speaker 2>see them as exemptions basically, so if however many years

0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Phil has left on his deal, he could come DFL

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<v Speaker 2>in every event for an entire year, and as long

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.960
<v Speaker 2>as he still has a contract for that next year

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<v Speaker 2>as a captain, he's in. Like, there are two guys

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<v Speaker 2>currently I think it's Martin Kimer and Lee westwood. Lee

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<v Speaker 2>west would one of three captains for the Majestics, I

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<v Speaker 2>might add, So they have three guys that are locked

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<v Speaker 2>in no matter how bad they play.

0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like a yeah, it's if you have.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have three captains, do you even have one?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, definitely not. It's got to be a

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<v Speaker 1>financial thing of some sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The question and the fact that it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>Lee west Wooden and Martin Kimer. Who to Martin Kimer's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, defense, He's been hurt for most of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's obviously going to be towards the bottom. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're in that drop zone area, those last four spots.

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<v Speaker 2>But because they have contracts for next year and their

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<v Speaker 2>captains they're in, they don't get to there. They're not

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.840
<v Speaker 2>getting dropped. So I think that's another thing that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't have. You can't call it promotion relegation if you

0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.640
<v Speaker 2>have built in you know, I don't know, I don't

0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.840
<v Speaker 2>know what the word is, but built in production. Thank you, yeah,

0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.440
<v Speaker 2>to to keep players. And the one thing I also

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.840
<v Speaker 2>think is just is just so funny is the fact

0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.080
<v Speaker 2>that for that promotion relegation event, I think it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the top two hundred or two fifty maybe from the

0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 2>OWGR are allowed to go to that promotion relegation in

0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.320
<v Speaker 2>that promotion tournament that they're going to have next year.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like on one side live saying, oh, these guys,

0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you know that the OWGR, like, let's condemn it. It's

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 2>not credible anymore. And then at the same time they're

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.840
<v Speaker 2>using it to fill their promotion fields. Like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>I just find that so funny. The fact that it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like talking.

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<v Speaker 1>To they're not going to use the SI World Golf rankings.

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<v Speaker 2>That come come, use the Golf League, Sacharine rankings ahead

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<v Speaker 2>the head, you know, to go to Data Golf. Yeah,

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.480
<v Speaker 2>it's something in it. Yeah, there are there are other

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 2>options out there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny actually, because there are a number of

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.200
<v Speaker 1>alternate rating rankings that have popped up in the past

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years now. I don't even want to name them,

0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.679
<v Speaker 1>but they're on Twitter and they're trying to get attention

0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.320
<v Speaker 1>for themselves. And Sports Illustrated of course, came up with

0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 1>its own ranking that was, you know, endorsed by lab

0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Golf Cutters, which connected with Bryson to Shambau, et cetera.

0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.720
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, look into that story yourself. But there

0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.119
<v Speaker 1>are these other rankings, but every time I see one

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of them mentioned, I see a somebody from Golf Week,

0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, will pop in and be like, what about

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the Sagarine rankings. We've been around for a while. Why

0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 1>is nobody paying any attention to the Sagarine rankings? And

0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it's true that Golf Week has been doing this for

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a while. Golf has a pretty good broad ranking, so

0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>there are resources available, but the OWGR is really still

0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.639
<v Speaker 1>the authoritative one, even even for people on Live. So

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that is anyway, Okay, I think we've talked enough about

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the rankings issue, but that is gonna that's the that's

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the main news right now, and it's going to continue

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to be discussed for sure, and it will affect potentially

0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the way that Live shapes itself over the next few

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 1>years because this is obviously very important for the recruiting

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 1>of players to have some kind of pathway to the

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.200
<v Speaker 1>major all right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, you're the only incentive new players would have

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 2>to go is the money. At this point, there's nothing

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>else that's there.

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, right, yeah, and and and players who are

0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 1>in their prime, yeah, are going to want to play

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in the majors. And that's that's kind of one of

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the amazing things that we've learned through this whole Live

0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 1>ordeal that the majors still have real power that goes

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.600
<v Speaker 1>beyond money. The players who are in their prime want

0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.439
<v Speaker 1>to play those events because they know that's where their

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>legacy is formed. And that's something although the majors offer

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.399
<v Speaker 1>incredible amounts of money, it's it's really not about that.

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's at least one thing that we have

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 1>learned that that isn't totally sole killing over the past

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>couple Yeah. Yeah, all right. So the other huge Live

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.479
<v Speaker 1>related story this year is that Live in the PGA

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Tour have established a framework agreement.

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.719
<v Speaker 2>The Public Investment Fund in the PGA Tour. And it's

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>not a merger. It's not a merger. My bad, My bad,

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 2>My bad, just because there we're going to come for

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 2>you on that one. Yeah.

0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I know, I know, looking on Public Investment

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Fund of Saudi Arabia. It's Live has nothing to do

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 1>with it, right, nothing to do with as if Live

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>isn't a subset of the public.

0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:15.440
<v Speaker 2>As if as if the chairman of Live isn't gonna

0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 2>be Yeah, isn't going to be the new chairman of

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:19.919
<v Speaker 2>the board for this new entity. Yeah, but they're not

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 2>connected at all.

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.359
<v Speaker 1>It's all it's all yasirs all the way down. So

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<v Speaker 1>uh yes, I'll remind it who we're referring to. Hear,

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 1>all right, So, the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and the PGA Tour have established a framework agreement. They

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>dropped the litigation against each other that was ongoing, and

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 1>have essentially agreed to work together in the future. Can

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.879
<v Speaker 1>you give me and our listeners an idiot's guide to

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>what this agreement basically contained.

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<v Speaker 2>The one big thing that you mentioned was the dropping

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 2>of the lawsuits. I think that was honestly the biggest

0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>thing to move for them. If they were ever going

0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to move forward, they had to stop the lawsuits first,

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:00.919
<v Speaker 2>and if they were ever going to have any.

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 1>The only it's the only thing that's rest Maybe.

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens. Yeah, well, we'll see where it

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 2>comes from. There but no, it's the dropping of the

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 2>lawsuits was definitely the biggest thing to come from it.

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 2>It's well, it's frankly the only thing that's come from

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 2>it at this point outside from some very funny Senate hearings. Uh,

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's confusing to wrap your head around because

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I know you and I were talking offline yesterday. It's like,

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>one day I think it's going to go through the

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>next day I don't. But basically, the short answer version

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>is they drop the lawsuits, and that the the PIFF

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>and the PGA Tour and the dp World Tour, we're

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 2>going to combine their assets to make a for profit

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 2>golf entity called a new cod I think the new

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>code there was, PGA Tour, whatever they were thinking about

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>calling it. There's going to create a for profit entity

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.400
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to be able to make money off

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 2>of and to bring their their products together. It's gonna

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 2>inject a whole bunch of life and money into the

0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour while also giving PIFF the ability to to

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>break their way officially into golf and to have even

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>a bigger seat at the table than they already do.

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>They have until the end of the year to push

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>this through. From people that I'm talking to it, some

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 2>are very adamant that it's going to happen, and some

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>are starting to, well, maybe not, And I think the

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 2>truth is somewhere in the middle. I think, like everything

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that's happened over the last eighteen months, it's going to

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>go to the eleventh hour. It's gonna come end of

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 2>December before we get any sort of movement on this.

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 2>I think there's just so much at stake for the

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>future of professional golf as we know it, for the

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>future of the PGA Tour, potentially the future of the LPGA,

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 2>if there is any sort of movement on that front,

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 2>which there have been rumors and talks at twenty twenty

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>five or twenty twenty six that PIFF and Live might

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:44.479
<v Speaker 2>want to start getting involved with the women's game. At

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 2>some point, that's all conjectured. That's all just rumors and

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>hearsay of people talking about what may happen. That's not

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>me reporting anything, Let's get that clear. But there's just

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 2>so much money at stake here, and there is so

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.119
<v Speaker 2>much on the line that I'd be shocked if it

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't go through because both sides have way too much

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to lose if it doesn't go through, I think, and

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 2>what I don't even know what twenty twenty four would

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>look like if this doesn't go through.

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>At this point, you think there's a kind of deadline here,

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 1>right for sure, that this has to be something has

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to be done before the seasons start up again. Okay,

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>very interesting. I mean, we're getting reports right now. Bob

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Harrig of SI I believe recently reported that there could

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:28.199
<v Speaker 1>be a delay in making this agreement official, which is

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>not surprising, but it does, you know, I mean that

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>there if there's no action by the time the seasons

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>start up again, then then what good is the framework

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 1>agreement at all? I suppose. So, so there is a

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit of time pressure here on these two sides.

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>So all right, so it's a looking at this deal

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>from the piffs perspective or from Liv's perspective. Why do

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you think they thought it was a good idea?

0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, well won the lawsuits for on on both

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>sides to the aisle there like some some bad stuff

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 2>was going to come out on both sides. You have

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>a feeling where, you know, with the things that Live

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was doing with you know, some of their some of

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>their actions at getting players to go and some of

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 2>the some of the things they've done, and then obviously

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 2>with the PGA Tour and trying to keep players, I'm

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>as I'm I'm only assuming that there was some some

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 2>less than stellar things happening behind the scenes when it

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 2>comes to to vendors and wanting to keep players and

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>all that. It's just it didn't seem like it was

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 2>all above board, and it's I think it's gonna save

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>face for a lot of both of the operations, except

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:31.919
<v Speaker 2>for you know, the PJ Tour now goes back on

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>their word of saying, you know, we're not going to

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 2>have to do this. You know you've never when Jay

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 2>said you never had to apologize for playing on the

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour, all that goes all that good will goes

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 2>out the window with that. But with Live and I

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>think with with Yaser in particular, it just adds even

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.120
<v Speaker 2>more legitimacy. If you're if you're with A, if you're

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>connected to the PG Tour and the DP World Tour,

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>there's still seen as outsiders. They're still seen as this upstart,

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>renegade circuit that's out there where. If you finally have

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>this coming together and you can invest in, and you

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>can invest with the PGA Tour and work alongside the

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour, like we talked about earlier, that probably opens

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>up the door to getting more access to majors. That

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>it's all interconnected. All of these golf organizations are all

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 2>intertwined and interconnected, and they all feed off of each other.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 2>So for for Live to get an even bigger seat

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>at the table for that, it just made too much

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>sense for them to try and make this move and

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>come together. And frankly, just speaking on a completely like

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand feet view, like a divided game isn't good

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.199
<v Speaker 2>for anybody. Sure, it drives up competition and stuff, but

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 2>for the fans, for the people that really matter, you know,

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a divided divided tours, divided circuits don't do anything. So

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 2>if this can open up the door to get these

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>players back, to get some of the best players back

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in majors, to get to reduce some of the divisiveness,

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I completely understand it. I didn't think

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>it would happen as quickly as it did, with only

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half in to live with they

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>make that decision was at June sixth I think was

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the was the day that the MSNBC interview and all

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 2>that happened. But there's just right to me, there's too

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 2>much on the line. There's too much to lose for

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>this not to go through, I think, and it's especially

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour side, now that you know they're

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>they were hurting for money with the with some of

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the decisions that they made, and the court cost fees

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>were we're going to be a problem coming up here

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 2>in the future. But it's there's just so much that

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 2>both sides can gain from this.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it seemed like you know, one thing, one

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>advantage that the PIFF had was money.

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no doubt the.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour was getting hurt by the costs of litigation.

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>The PIFF really wasn't. But it seems like there are

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that were hurting or could hurt

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>both sides, one of which you mentioned discovery, but also

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, Lives Golf League hasn't skyrocketed. No, it hasn't.

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't really taken off. I mean, it just seems

0:28:55.920 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>like a if it had taken off more, then there

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been no need to partner or to intend

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to partner with the PGA Tour.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of that stem from the

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>players that they brought in for a year or two.

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 2>None of them really moved the needle. They didn't get

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a sort of Dustin Johnson. They didn't get a Bryson.

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>They didn't get a Patrick Red, you know, they didn't

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>get a Cam Smith. They got a Charles Howell the third.

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, they got a few other people like that.

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>They didn't get the big name talent that I think

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>they thought they were going to get in the second

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>go around. And I think that's affected there. They're product though,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it's they still have a product that works and that

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>stands on it's that stands separate on its own. Whether

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you like it or not. There's a market for it.

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>That's that's been true since you and I met each

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>other at the first event in Portland last year. It's

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>been there's a market for it. Just depends on what

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>you want out of professional golf. And like you said,

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the interest just isn't hasn't been there around the golf

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>this year like they thought it would come. Sunday at events. Sure,

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>when the team event gets close and it gets tight

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.239
<v Speaker 2>at the end, it's like any sporting competition, you know,

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you can you can sleep through the first you know,

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>through the first couple of quarters for a lot of things.

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>But then once it gets tight at the end, that's

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>when it gets interesting. And you can see the fans

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>do feed off of the team energy and these guys

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>really do care about the team aspect. At first, I

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 2>thought that was all just kind of bs with the

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>whole goal. We feel like we're back in college golf.

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I genuinely believe that's real. Like these guys are

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>having fun together now and now that they've got the

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>team stuff worked out, like you can genuinely tell they

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>love playing for each other. They love this this new aspect,

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>this different take on golf. I thought it was going

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>to be complete nonsense and that there was all just

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a company line to to explain the move

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and taking the money. But the team aspect is real,

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that. But it just still, like you said,

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>just hasn't quite caught on the way that they thought

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>it would. But like I said, it's it's still two

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>years in. They gets still very very early and lives

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 2>in lives defense, they are still very early on in

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>this and granted they had unlimited money to get this

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>thing off the ground. But the fact that they were

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 2>able to host an event as successfully as they did,

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>host eight events in a half a year as successfully

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>as they did it was impressive.

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>And TV is a big part of this. I want

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>to talk about that a little bit later. First, just

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:03.959
<v Speaker 1>a if you clean up things on the framework agreement issue.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I've been having a hard time personally envisioning what a

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>post official agreement Live PGA Tour landscape would look like.

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>What would be different about the PGA Tour? What would

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>be different about Live? If these two entities were to

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>unite through this nonprofit organization, would Live end? Would it

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>have a reason to continue to exist? Would the PGA

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Tour be significantly different? I mean, have you thought this through,

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>like what this world would be like?

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I have. I can't quite game plan what it looked

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>like for the PGA Tour outside of them having more

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>money to throw around and being able to increase per

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 2>sizes a little bit and be able to maybe up

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>there up the production for some of what they're doing

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>for Live. I don't see anything changing in twenty twenty

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>four if this deal does go through. They've got a

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>schedule pretty much locked in at this point, aside from

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 2>a few tweaks and changes. Can't quite get that confirm,

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>but I've got it on pretty good authority that they're

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>there for twenty twenty four and basically set to go

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty five. They're already looking ahead from talking

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to Live officials, they're already planning out courses for the

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>future for I know some of their contracts were up

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>with a few of the courses that they've posted events

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>at the last two years, but they're already looking at

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>properties for twenty twenty five. They've got places that are interested.

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I think Live would expand and be the worldwide tour

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 2>that it wants to be. I think we'll see more

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>worldwide events and less US events going forward. I think

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>those will be the majority. It'll probably be a good

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 2>four or five still here in the States, but I

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>think you'd see eight or nine potentially across the world,

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>and they want to branch out. This is what Greg

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Norman's wanted since he tried to do the World Tour

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>in ninety four, and this is what Yaser loves too.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Like he loves Team Golf, he loves this Live concept.

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>And if he's gonna be the new chairman and the

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>head of the board for this new co. Live's not

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>going anywhere. It's his baby. He will fight tooth and

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>nail to keep it and to and to keep it going.

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think now that we're starting to see Live teams,

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, bring in sponsors and get apparel deals and stuff,

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 2>they're showing that they can be like, they can be profitable.

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's another profitable wing for the public investment Fund.

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>So sure, they're still way far in the red given

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 2>how much they've paid to get this thing off the ground,

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the billions of dollars that they've thrown at this, but

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>they Live is showing that in ways it can be profitable.

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>And with they got the seed, they got the cw

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>TV deal that's not going to be a long term thing.

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 2>That was a hey, we're going to do this to

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 2>show other you know, broadcast partners that we can do this.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>So I think this means more for Live going forward

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 2>than it does for the tour. I haven't quite gotten

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what it would look like, but I

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 2>would be shocked if Live goes away, and maybe in

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>the long term, if it doesn't stem out and if

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the team concept doesn't quite catch on like they think,

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>But in the short term, I think it's going to

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>be a lot of trial and error. Let's see what

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>happens and we'll learn from it and move on, kind

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>of like how Live has been the last two years.

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the thing that puzzles me about this potential

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>for these two tours to work together. And I don't

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>expect you to know these details or for anybody to

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 1>know how this would work, but would Live players then

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>get to play in PGA Tour events fairly freely? What

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>would it mean for a PGA Tour player like Xanderschoffle

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>or Patrick Cantley to say I'm going to Live. Yeah,

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously the PGA Tour wouldn't want that. But if the

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>PIFF and the PGA Tour are working together, then are

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>they rival leagues anymore? And will the PGA Tour have

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>anything to say to a player who is departing for Live,

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>because right now it makes sense that these are rival leagues.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't want a player to leave the PGA Tour

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and go to Live, and once a player makes that decision,

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it is kind of definite. But what does that all

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>look like if there's this nonprofit entity that the PGA

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>two who were in the pit for collaborating on.

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I think, going to what you said earlier, I think

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest misconceptions about players who went to

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Live is that they all want to come back to

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour. Most of them don't. Talking to a

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of the people that I've spoken with and talked to,

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 2>they are very happy with their format. I know cam

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Smith said it yesterday in the JEDA press conference. He

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>likes the fact that they're at fourteen events. He plays

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the four majors, that gets him to eighteen. He goes

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and plays some in Australia, he plays his twenty like

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>he would have on the PGA Tour. He likes the schedule.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 2>They like the break. They like how it's not as

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 2>grueling of a week in and week out schedule with

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to media availability, when it comes to

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, the multiple practice rounds in the pro am

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that you have to, you know, put the big smile

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and face on for everybody. They only have to play

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>three rounds. It's just completely different. A lot of the

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>guys like that. Talking to Fill and some guys in Bedminster,

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 2>they were Sergio, all those guys very happy with their life.

0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Now those are a lot of the older guys, So

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:00.919
<v Speaker 2>maybe some of the younger guy might want to go back.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>And you know, sure guys did say there are events

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour that you know, we're we're close

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 2>to our heart, whether we won there, or we liked

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.399
<v Speaker 2>the course, or we had some sort of sponsor connection there.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 2>They still have those relationships and those good relationships with

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of those people. But I don't think as

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>many guys would want to go back and play in

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour events, And they wouldn't play in as many

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>as as some outsiders and some of us might think.

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I genuinely think that they like the life that they

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>have on live and honestly, for them, what's not to

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>what's not to like? Everything is catered towards them. They're

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>making so much money no matter how poorly you might play.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a it's a really good life for

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>these guys. It really is. If they can, if they

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>can deal with the with the criticism that comes from

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 2>from joining up with it's, it's it's paid off for

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the guys. So I think you it

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>would open the door certainly for for players to come

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>in until lives credit from the start, they have always

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>said that we don't want to be we want to

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>be additive to the professional golf calendar, right, we don't

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>want then they's when they hosted events, they're not going

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>up against the heritage designated events, whatever you want to

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>call them. They've avoided a lot of those, They've avoided

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the majors. They've built their schedule around a lot of that.

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think that was a show of good faith

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>to the folks at the PGA Tour and dp World

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Tour and the fact that they weren't trying to put

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>events opposite Bayhill or opposite of the players or you know,

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Tiger's genesis. I think that's a feather in their cap.

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Flip side of that is, well, of course, no one's

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 2>going to watch the live events when those events are

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>going on, you know' that's you got to meet in

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 2>the middle there some way. But I think that that

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>is a sign of good faith from Live and the

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>fact that they did say that they want to be

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>additive and they weren't going to overly challenge a lot

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>of the PGA Tour's biggest events.

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm still puzzled about this issue of players on the

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour leaving for Live in a post agreement world. Yeah,

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I get that once players are on

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Live that they might not have any desire to play

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour events. I think that's really true. Now. Yes,

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Live has avoided key dates on the PGA Tour calendar.

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>But if Patrick can't Lay after an agreement is established,

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>says I want to play on the Live tour, He's

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 1>not going to have time to play many PGA Tour

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>events even if the Live schedule is arranged around it.

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>And so do you think there's going to be any

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>do you think there would be any collaboration there between

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the tours to make it so a Patrick can't Lay

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>can play a significant number of events on Live, but

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>also devote some time to the PGA Tour. Would that

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>be the direction that you think they would go in?

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>They would That would have to be it, because then

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Live would also have to change up their format to

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 2>be able to have substitutes play in if you weren't

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:54.879
<v Speaker 2>going to have the same guys play in every week,

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 2>So that would make Live would have to change their format.

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I think, if anything, it would be a dry run

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of the guys to go. And to

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 2>be fair, you saying can't lay and shawfle At those

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>are two guys that have long been rumored. You're not

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>just you're not just spouting off because of what happened.

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>No, No, that's not going to do it. Yeah.

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well if you if you've seen the quotes from

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 2>ship nuxt book about you know, and all the stuff

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>about they wouldn't want Rory you know, to be over there.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we don't. You're not interested in me. I'm

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:27.760
<v Speaker 1>not interested in exactly.

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's it's also open the air,

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like it's a lot of this is speculation. I wish

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I had more answers. I wish I could there was

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>a way to game plan this out and show it.

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 2>But I it was funny. I did a I did

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.919
<v Speaker 2>another another show with some people a couple of weeks ago,

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and Harold Barnert the third was on with us and

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the host asked him, hey, so what can

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>you tell us? He goes, I know as much as

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.720
<v Speaker 2>you guys do, if not less, because I'm not actually

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 2>reading up and into it. They'll you'll, they'll tell me

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 2>what they tell me and we'll go from there. A

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of the guys are just kind of flying, you know,

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 2>flying along with it and just saying, hey, we'll react

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>to whatever happens. We like our life now, we'll go

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>for it. But I mean, it would it would take

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 2>a massive change in in PGA Tour and the DP

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 2>World Tour and Live for them to be able to

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>have players play at the same time on both circuits.

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be I mean, if they can't

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 2>even figure out how to get this framework agreement together,

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they're all three gonna be able

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to get in a room and figure out a way

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to do that. Like, that's gonna take time, and it's

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna take a lot of time and a lot there's

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of egos at play. There's gonna be a

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, alphas in that room talking about it.

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>The PGA Tour seems like throughout this whole process that

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 2>they seem to think that they're gonna be the big

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 2>dog when all of this is happening, even though y'all

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 2>you're sure they're going to control the board for this

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>new co, but the man controlling the money, Yaser aka

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>mister Andrew Waterman. You know, they're at the he's at

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>the top, he's the money man. Like I think the

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>money's gonna make the decisions and you got to follow

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:50.879
<v Speaker 2>the money and see where it goes. And it's yeah,

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had more information for you, but it's

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 2>just it's all speculative at this point and trying to

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 2>game plan it out. But if if the framework agreement

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>does go through, I don't think we'll see as many

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 2>chain in twenty twenty four. I think twenty twenty five

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll they'll give it a year to figure it out,

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and then that'll be the that'll be the real test

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>year to see what happens, because it's just it would

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 2>be way too fast of a turnaround to be able

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>to get anything done in twenty twenty four, and like,

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 2>these organizations just can't move at that pace. At least

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:18.879
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour and dp Rule Tour can't. They're too big.

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Like Lives, to their credit, they're small enough that they

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>were able to pivot and move and be able to change,

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, at the at the drop of a hat.

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think Andy said this once, like they're you know,

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the PGA to ur the dp ROLE Tour. They're like

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.000
<v Speaker 2>tanker ships, you know, they can't just it takes a

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>while for them to turn. They can't maneuver the way

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that Live can because they're just they're too big at

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>this point.

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we've seen this with the designated events thing

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>where the PGA Tour basically like, I can try to

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>make a quick change, but they're really not going to

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and maybe ultimately they're just going to revert to their

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>former way of doing things because that's just easier. But yeah,

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, suffice it. I don't expect you or anybody

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>to have answers about what exactly a cooperative relationship between

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Live or the PITH and the PGA Tour would look like.

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I think what I'm maybe pointing out here is stuff

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that's going to come up when the sides discuss the agreement.

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm not a genius, but even I

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>can see that this would be a difficult relationship to

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>make work if Live continues to exist in its current form,

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 1>because if these two sides are working together, then that

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 1>gives top players on the PGA Tour an awful lot

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.879
<v Speaker 1>of incentive to leave the PGA Tour and play full

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>time on Live because one of the main things that's

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>preventing them from doing that is the rivalry right now,

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>it's the permanence of leaving for Live and being cut

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>off from the rest of the ecosystem. Well, if that

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 1>threat isn't there anymore, I can't see a reason why

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of players wouldn't remove themselves from the PGA

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Tour circuit. And so I think that that's got to

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>be something that the PGA Tour is thinking about right now.

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>How do we prevent this if we are working with

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the PIFF.

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and think and it all goes back to what

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about earlier. Not to bring up to

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 2>odopgr again and all that, but if I can't layer

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 2>a shof like go Sure they might have some long

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 2>term exemptions into a few of the majors, but those

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 2>are going to end at some point. So how long

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>would they stay with Live? Would they be able to

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>play enough PGA Tour events or World Ranking Point events

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to be able to keep their status and still get

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>into those would if this does go through, does that

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 2>mean this do we'll live get points? Then all of

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, if they're aligned with the PGA tour this time.

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>There's so much stuff that's up in the air and

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>so much that's going to have to change. But like

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you said, with these organizations working together, it opens up

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>the door for so many new new wrinkles and new

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 2>things to happen. It's the future of professional golf and

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.760
<v Speaker 2>professional golf as we know. It could look completely different

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>in a year or two times. And it's I don't

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 2>know if that's good for the fans are bad for them, Honestly,

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I really don't.

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's been mostly bad so far. Yeah, but

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully at some point somebody will We'll think about us.

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, we don't have a lot to offer. But

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>but you know, well that's not true.

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>We have so much to offer. We have so much offer.

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Don't sell us short like that, Gar, You have our

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>interest to offer. Yeah.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.799
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0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Shifting topics. You know you've been on site at a

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>few live events this year, You've been tracking the league.

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't cover professional golf even full time. I kind

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of split my time between thinking about professional golf occasionally

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and mostly writing about golf architecture and golf industry stuff.

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And so from my perspective, Live has certainly dealt with

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 1>some waning interest this year. And when live events are

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>on there are certainly people who are very interested in them,

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but my sense is that they're not penetrating the mainstream

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 1>discourse in the way that they did last year. So

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, from your point of view, which is very

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 1>different from mine as somebody who writes about live and

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>has been to a vents and all that kind of stuff,

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>is that just my perception that the interest in live

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.359
<v Speaker 1>has been waning or is that something that people on

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the inside or people covering the league have noticed as well.

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 2>No, it's definitely something we've noticed, and I think one

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:16.919
<v Speaker 2>of the I know you and I have talked about

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>this before, but the biggest thing with Live wasn't what

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>was happening on the course, It was what was happening

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>off the course. It was the player movement. Who's going where?

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 2>What's jaysaying about Greg? What's Greg saying about Jay? It

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 2>was that back and forth, you know, mud slinging that

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>kept everybody interested in Live for all that time, and

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 2>then they would tune into the events on Sundays to

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>see who won. It's interest levels at events have have

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>probably maybe maybe been a bit better with some turnout. Obviously.

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I was at you know, the the opener in Mexico

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>at Mayacoba, but no, no, there wasn't a really great

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere there, but not many resort you know events get

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>great atmosphere, So that's nothing against Live.

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't a great atmosphere at the PGA Tour event

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that was at my act.

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, but I would say like the amount of the

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>amount of bachelor parties that went for that event was crazy.

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was there were at least four or

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 2>five that were out walking the grounds that day or

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>that weekend, which is crazy. But yeah, it's the interest

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>level on the course has maybe gotten a bit better,

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 2>not from the outside looking in, but at events. I

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 2>think they're they're getting a better turnout at places their

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 2>their party whole atmosphere at Adelaide was absolutely wild. They're

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 2>going to keep doing events like that. They're going to

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 2>keep doing things like that because they've seen the success

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and what it can bring in and the social media engagement.

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It drives the fan interest from people wanting to go

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to the events. It'll drive that interest. Like I said,

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 2>is there a little bit better off the course, though

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 2>not as much anyways, because like we said, there isn't

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that same player movement because they have to have their

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 2>rosters locked in now that they have this league concept.

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 2>It's I think it'll all I think I'm curious to

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.359
<v Speaker 2>see what the free agency kind of transfer period looks

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 2>like coming up after next week. They're going to be

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 2>able to, you know, trade players and move players. They

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 2>were allegedly supposed to do that last year, and the

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 2>only really thing we saw was the two moves with

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Johnson getting rid of Taylor Gooch and picking up

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Peter u Line and a few other switches that came

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Matt Wolf move teams. It's I think we're gonna see

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot more movement with that, given the fact that

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 2>they've got that twenty five to forty four is like

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 2>so long story short, the way the Live is gonna

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>break down their points. One through twenty four is their

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the lock zone they call it, and those are the

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 2>players that are locked in for twenty twenty four no

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>matter what. Twenty five to forty four are in the

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>open zone, which means that they can those players can

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 2>be traded, they can be dropped from their teams, picked

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 2>up by other teams, complete and total free agency with them.

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:36.919
<v Speaker 2>They can either stay with their team or they can move.

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>And then forty five to forty eight are that drop

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>zone area, like we talked about earlier, that would be

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 2>somewhat relegated but have a chance to play their way through.

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious to see what the transfer period looks like

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and how many teams are moving people around. I think

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:50.600
<v Speaker 2>that could be interesting to pick up some of their

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>interests off the course. But yeah, waning interest has been

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>across the board. I don't think they've reported their TV

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>viewership numbers since like the second or third event of

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>the year. I know SBJA still goes through and you know,

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of takes them to task on a few of

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.839
<v Speaker 2>those for the different ways that they look at their

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 2>ratings and what they do. But I will say, the

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>broadcast has gotten a bit better, still not saying much

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.879
<v Speaker 2>given from how poor it was last year, but they

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 2>show a lot of shots, which is a feather in

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:18.919
<v Speaker 2>the cap for them compared to what the PGA Tour

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and what we've gotten from NDC and Golf Channel for

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the last year. But they still struggle with providing the

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.439
<v Speaker 2>context for those shots, Like it's cool to be able

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to sit back and see golf shot, golf shot, golf shot.

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 2>You can see so much, what was the context of it?

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean other than the fact that, well,

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 2>if they keep playing really well, they're going to make

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a ton of money at the end of the.

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Week, all right. So you know, something that is really

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>significant about what LIV is doing and has been done

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>well is the live event aspect. Right, That's not something

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>that necessarily comes through on the telecast, which, as you mentioned,

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>has had its issues, and to be fair, the PGA

0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Tour telecasts have had significant issues this year as well.

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 1>But the on site event, to my mind, has has

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.879
<v Speaker 1>always been pretty impressive at LIV. What they stand up

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.720
<v Speaker 1>and the experience that they provide at a golf course

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>for a you know, I mean, yes, they have all

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>the money in the world to do what they want.

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.359
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's working as far as I can see now.

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I've I've just been to one, you know, I went

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to Live Portland and that was one of my main takeaways.

0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is a real thing here, this

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>is a real event. It doesn't have that eerie potentkin

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>village vibe to it where they're just putting it on

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>for TV. There's something happening on site. So is that

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>something that you've picked up on or continued to pick

0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>up on this year.

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. I Mean the one thing that kind

0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of really tripped me up when we were in Portland

0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 2>together was the did you ever see the guy that

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.880
<v Speaker 2>was on the unicycle that was riding around and juggling

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 2>during competition?

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Saw him, but I certainly heard about him. Their tongues

0:51:58.840 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 1>were wagging the.

0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I haven't seen anything like to that level since.

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 2>But as far as you know, the music and the

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>festival atmosphere and all of that, that the fan village

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 2>is is actually pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie. They

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 2>get some really good, you know, really good food options

0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 2>in there, some beverage options for the adults and for

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the kids. They've got it like the little kids village

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.720
<v Speaker 2>that they do where they're actually teaching you know, courses

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 2>where they've got stem and stuff like that. It's it's

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>really interesting they what they do there, and they give

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 2>fans so much like you almost forget there's a golf

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.800
<v Speaker 2>tournament going on when you go to some of these events,

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:34.880
<v Speaker 2>but that's to their kind of catering towards They like

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 2>this festival, fun atmosphere. They don't want it to be

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>as as you know, rigid as a PGA tour they would.

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 2>They want you to know that you can go out,

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you can come here for four to five hours, you

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 2>can have fun, and you can watch a little golf

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 2>from some of the best players in the world, not

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:51.319
<v Speaker 2>all of the best players in the world, but some

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of them, and then go about your day and it's

0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it's completely there. And I think that's the one thing

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 2>that they've really, really, really done well is the fact

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that they make it engaging for fans. Right, It's not

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like you're just going there to watch golf. You can

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 2>actually they've got you know, chipping contests and putting contests

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>everywhere where you can you know, win money or prizes

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. They've got so much going on that it's

0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a very interactive day for fans, and that's not something

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 2>you see at a whole lot of PGA Tour events

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 2>or any PGA Tour events. For the most part, they

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 2>might have some small stuff here and there near a

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 2>merchandise ten or something, but I will it's it's impressive

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:27.879
<v Speaker 2>when you go out and see how much live gear

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 2>is being worn by people. They'll go out, they'll buy

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the hat, they'll do this high flyer stuff just flies

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 2>off the shelves. I don't know if that's the fill.

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Probably if that's just the fill you know, issue there

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but fireball stuff letting people love that. I

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 2>saw four live golf hats at the Salheim Cup, which

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I did not expect to see, but that was that

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 2>was interesting enough, to say the least, probably from people

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 2>that went to the Valdorama event also over there, I

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 2>would assume, But yeah, it's there's there's definitely interest in

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>the fans that they do show out for it, and

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:57.360
<v Speaker 2>they seem like they all have a great time, and

0:53:57.760 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you know that's obviously there. But like you said earlier,

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it's it's impressive what they've done, but kind of takes

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 2>away from it. Given how much money they have at

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 2>their disposal to'll be able to hire all the production

0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 2>companies to put on these events. But this year they

0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>have really you know, tightened up their their budget as

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:14.399
<v Speaker 2>far as the production stuff goes, and they're still able

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to put on put on a pretty decent product. So

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 2>it's impressive for what they're able to do. They're hiring

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:22.640
<v Speaker 2>some really impressive musical talent to come and play concerts.

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>After the fact, they're absolutely nailing that aspect of it.

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 2>And I think if anything that could be you know,

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.319
<v Speaker 2>something that helps the helps the league grow going forward

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 2>in the future is the fact that they can say,

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.839
<v Speaker 2>look at all these musical acts, like these people who

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.239
<v Speaker 2>are aligning with us, look at the people they're getting

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to play in their pro am, and they're creating you know,

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>social content off of that. You know, they had the

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>barstool guys out there. They've done stuff with a bunch

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:49.600
<v Speaker 2>of professional football players, basketball players, drivers, athletes, actors. They're

0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 2>getting big names to align themselves with live and I

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:53.879
<v Speaker 2>think that's only going to help them going forward.

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's going to be a gradual creep, right

0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, as this league gets normalized and people start

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to realize that it's not a pr problem for them

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to be associated with it anymore. You're going to see

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>more and more of these big names showing up at

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:19.839
<v Speaker 1>events and linking themselves with this brand. Right for a

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 1>little while there, that would have been a major us. Yeah,

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 1>but it's not. It doesn't seem like it is anymore.

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.959
<v Speaker 1>That that kind of hard news juice that Live had,

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 1>where New York Times reporters and Washington Post reporters were

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 1>showing up and asking the questions that those kinds of

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 1>journalists ask, that they're not there anymore, and and so

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 1>that has taken some of the pressure.

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Off they they showed up at Bedminster again. That's always

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.319
<v Speaker 2>got some of the guys from from the New York

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 2>media and all that. And I'm sure we're going to

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.279
<v Speaker 2>get plenty down down at Derrelm next week as well.

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:56.919
<v Speaker 2>But like going back to Port, do you remember how

0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 2>contentious some of those some of those interviews and press

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>conferences were.

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>It was it was he was Brooks's first event, right,

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was in a foul mood.

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Right. He he hit me. He hit me with the

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Thanks chief after I asked him about uh, I asked

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 2>him of what kind of after I got him, what

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of a what kind of media training they got,

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>because they all gave the same answer, and uh Ari

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Ari Fleischer was standing three feet off the podium. I

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen him since. I've seen him since, but I've

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 2>seen him since, but I haven't seen him like standing

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 2>right next to taking notes like he was then.

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you know that, and they're sitting right

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 1>in front of me. It was. It was a New

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.839
<v Speaker 1>York Times reporter, and there were people who were there

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to report hard news, right, not sports news. And and

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not insulting sports news or anything, that's obviously what

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I do, but you know that it's a it's a

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>different kind of atmosphere when you have those kinds of

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 1>reporters there. And yes, it absolutely was contentious. You can see.

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:01.759
<v Speaker 1>You could see that the players who were giving those

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>press conferences were not at all used to being asked

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to engage with these issues, and so their their attitudes

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:11.600
<v Speaker 1>came through clearly about it.

0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the point I want to make there with

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 2>with that is the fact that there has been nothing

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>even close to that this year, aside from before the

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>majors when they're asking about what it's going to be

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 2>like to come back with the guys, and and you

0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 2>know what, you know, when you're seeing the players you

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen a long time, you know, what's it going

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.120
<v Speaker 2>to be like? Or when Brooks played played on the

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Ryder Cup team. That's the only even bit of contention

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen with these press conferences. And I know

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that the issue of sportswa washing has been brought up

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot Golf weeks and am and Lynch has written

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot about it. I've written about it. We've talked

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 2>about it a lot. And if people are saying, you know, well,

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>you know sports watching is working because those questions aren't

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.919
<v Speaker 2>being asked anymore. It's like it's it's such a tough

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 2>line for us to walk because we probably should still

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>keep asking these questions, but we know the answer we're

0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 2>going to get, and we only get a few guys

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:00.160
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit of time. That's the one thing

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people don't understand is we don't

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 2>have the access to the players at live events that

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you would at a PGA Tour event. Right you can

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>request to bring people in. It's up to the player

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:11.720
<v Speaker 2>more than more likely than not if they're going to

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:14.360
<v Speaker 2>say no. Like Dustin Johnson was leading after the first

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 2>day in Portland last year and he didn't talk to

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the media. I don't know if you remember that part of.

0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>It so hard to get players that you wanted, Like

0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it was just like we're going to give you who

0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>we're going to give you.

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And then even now it's even more difficult because what

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 2>they used to do is they would bring everybody. Everybody

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 2>would go to scoring at once, right, So it was

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 2>we were basically had a feeding frenzy picking off as

0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>many people as we could that weren't going to be

0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, standing on the standing for the normal press

0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 2>conference after the round. Now they're doing scoring at whatever

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>hole they end on. They're not going back to the tent,

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 2>so we don't have that ability to pick off guys

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 2>as they come through. So if you want to try

0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and get somebody, you got to run out onto the course,

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 2>try and find them wherever the heck they might be

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 2>out there, and then sprint back in to try and

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>get stuff at the press conference near there.

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:02.280
<v Speaker 1>That's got to be intentional.

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 2>That's well the reason given when they when they put

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 2>out the press release for doing all that was the

0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 2>fact that oh, it's going to save like, you know,

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 2>so much time for the players and they can go

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 2>back to doing you know, they're they can go to

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 2>the range. None of these guys go to their range

0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:17.360
<v Speaker 2>after Bryson. Might be there's only one that goes to

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the range after the ground. Yeah. So but that's just

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 2>another wrinkle of that that I think that to defend us,

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:25.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, us big jay journalists who are out there,

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 2>us entertainment reporters who are out there on the front

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.919
<v Speaker 2>lines doing all this cover and live like we don't

0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.080
<v Speaker 2>We just don't get that access anymore like we would

0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 2>normally get. So it's just should we still be asking

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>these questions? Probably? But yeah, I can understand a lot

0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of us who have kind of pivoted, who are trying

0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 2>to actually talk about the things that are happening right now,

0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:44.439
<v Speaker 2>when not the stuff that we've already covered and people

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:47.240
<v Speaker 2>have already given answers on or not answered the.

0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah or shown what they're going to do in response

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to and they've been trained on all those questions at

0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>this point, So you're not going to get the interesting

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff that everybody got at Live London, where nobody was

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>prepared and so a lot of things were let slip,

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's just they've tightened up. And I'm with you

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.400
<v Speaker 1>on this, you know, and we're all we're all trying

1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:14.919
<v Speaker 1>to serve our audiences, and to be frank, our audiences

1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:19.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want us writing every single week about sportswashing in

1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the same way over and over again. I think that

1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 1>this is still a relevant consideration and something that everybody

1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>should absolutely keep in mind when they're thinking about live

1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>or watching live. I think we've been pretty clear and

1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:37.520
<v Speaker 1>urging people to do that, and as you say, Aim

1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and Lynch at your own publication has been very consistent

1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:43.960
<v Speaker 1>on the issue himself. But you know, at a certain

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.800
<v Speaker 1>point you've had your say and you've got to keep

1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.760
<v Speaker 1>covering what's happening because that's the job and that is

1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:54.760
<v Speaker 1>what is serving the audience. So we're all the media

1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:57.480
<v Speaker 1>is put in a difficult position here, you know, and

1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:01.560
<v Speaker 1>everybody I'm sure is trying their best with it. Now

1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a media related question here not to not not to

1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, look inward too much or naval gaze

1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 1>too much. Here we're toward the end of the podcast.

1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:15.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is what we can do here. You

1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned I remember you mentioning the last time we talked

1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:22.360
<v Speaker 1>about Live in February or so that articles that you

1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:26.360
<v Speaker 1>were writing about Live were doing major like numbers on

1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of off months for the golf season. You know,

1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:33.280
<v Speaker 1>you write about Live in January or February, and all

1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:36.400
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden it's just, you know, giving you the

1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 1>kinds of page views that you might get if you

1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:43.800
<v Speaker 1>were writing a preview for the Open Championship and so.

1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Has that remained the case. Are you still noticing that

1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>readers are avidly seeking out the latest Live stuff?

1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Depends on what the what the area of conversation is,

1:01:57.320 --> 1:01:59.960
<v Speaker 2>game stories and all that. Still, you know, on Sunday,

1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 2>sure there'll be some some interesting views there and be

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.120
<v Speaker 2>some some interesting you know, spikes and numbers when we

1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:07.160
<v Speaker 2>see a guy like DJ Win or Cam Smith or

1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the big names. When when Charles Howell and

1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:12.400
<v Speaker 2>do you remember Danny Lee won the second Live End

1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:15.400
<v Speaker 2>of the year? How about that? Yeah, those story those

1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.880
<v Speaker 2>two guys didn't. Yeah, those those two guys. Yeah, he

1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.040
<v Speaker 2>hasn't really done much since those two guys really haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, I'll leave that one alone. I'll leave that

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.840
<v Speaker 2>one alone. Yeah, it's their interest is still there in

1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:28.520
<v Speaker 2>some cases, but it depends on what it is. When

1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:31.439
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the OWGR stuff, obviously we're getting huge

1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.440
<v Speaker 2>playoff of that. When it came to the framework agreement,

1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:37.680
<v Speaker 2>obviously we had massive, massive playoff of that massive interest there.

1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.680
<v Speaker 2>But like we said, the game stories and the in

1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.320
<v Speaker 2>what the league is doing on a week to week

1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:45.040
<v Speaker 2>basis not as much. But it's those overarching you know,

1:02:45.160 --> 1:02:48.560
<v Speaker 2>stories and storylines that have the bigger ramifications. That's the

1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:50.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff that we're still seeing a whole lot of interest in.

1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And that goes back to what you and I talked

1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>about twenty or thirty minutes or so ago, talking about

1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the interest level has dropped across the board, off the course,

1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:00.720
<v Speaker 2>just because there it's not as device as it used

1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to be, Like they've already disrupted the market now they're here,

1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Like there's it there that's there's still divisive and it's

1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:09.720
<v Speaker 2>still there's still the one side versus the other in

1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.880
<v Speaker 2>some aspects, but it's not nearly as as bad as

1:03:12.920 --> 1:03:15.080
<v Speaker 2>it used to be. And you know, I think one

1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of the one of the massive you know, headline things

1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.160
<v Speaker 2>for newspapers and stuff was if it bleeds, it leads,

1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:22.720
<v Speaker 2>so like you need the you need that kind of

1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:26.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, gory, bad stories that are going to do

1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of numbers because people like to read

1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:30.200
<v Speaker 2>about that stuff. It's just it's how it is across

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the board. So we're still seeing some but it's not

1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:36.080
<v Speaker 2>certainly like it was when you know, DJ left or

1:03:36.120 --> 1:03:38.520
<v Speaker 2>all these players, the rumors for players leaving, what's happening

1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and all that. It's it's it's certainly not to that level. No,

1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:43.680
<v Speaker 2>but still interest though. That's why I'm going to spend

1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the full week in Miami. That's why I went to

1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:47.880
<v Speaker 2>went to Mexico to start off the year. It's there.

1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.280
<v Speaker 2>There is still very much interest in this, but I

1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:52.560
<v Speaker 2>think that's because people want to know what's happening, and

1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Live doesn't release a whole lot of info. So that's

1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:57.760
<v Speaker 2>what's up to what's up to people like myself and

1:03:57.840 --> 1:03:59.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, we mentioned Bob Harrig on this. Evan Priest

1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:01.640
<v Speaker 2>from from Digestics Good has been to a lot of

1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:03.480
<v Speaker 2>events and covered a lot of this pretty well too.

1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's basically on us to try and go

1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:08.200
<v Speaker 2>out there and shed some light on what's what's actually

1:04:08.240 --> 1:04:10.520
<v Speaker 2>happening through there. And I think, you know, a lot

1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of people in the media have sort of picked up

1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:14.480
<v Speaker 2>on that. I think not to not to pat ourselves

1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:15.800
<v Speaker 2>on the back too much, but I think Golf Week

1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:17.200
<v Speaker 2>its kind of early on that one.

1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:18.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's a beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been. It's been interesting, to say the least.

1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a I never thought when I joined Golf

1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Week in twenty nineteen that this is the kind of

1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:26.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff I'd be writing about her doing when I signed

1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:28.280
<v Speaker 2>up to be our college and an amateur beat reporter

1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:31.280
<v Speaker 2>four years ago. You know, it's the game has definitely

1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:33.439
<v Speaker 2>changed changed quite a bit since then, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Adam, keep doing your thing. Thank you so

1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.320
<v Speaker 1>much for coming on the podcast, and we'll talk against.

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<v Speaker 2>So always a pleasure join Club TFE. It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of the Friday Golf Podcast was produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Rusius. Thank you, Matt. If you have a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>for listening, and we'll be back again.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon