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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in guys, Thank you for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: have a fantastic show for you today. Our lengthy Francis

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Speaker 1: will be today previewing and making picks for your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Fare from Devin Haney, Vasilo Lomachenko, to the return of

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Speaker 1: this great show that we're about to hit the pavement? Banging?

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Speaker 1: Yes on big meat, Larry Hoover. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Topic number one. Hey guys, this is a big one.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Night. It's for the undisputed lightweight Championship of

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Speaker 1: on ESPN plus pay per view. Devin Haiti twenty four

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Speaker 1: years old, undefeated four belt champion at one three five

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Speaker 1: of this era, Vasili Lomachenko. Three fight pay per view

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, as we stand right now entering this one,

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Speaker 2: If this was Lomachenko from you know, pre Lopez right

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Speaker 2: Devin Haney playing this game quite honestly, because you know

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Speaker 2: combat sport wide of King's massive stakes, massive intrigue, massive

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Speaker 3: You know, we know what he wants to do on

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Speaker 4: Slip the jet.

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Speaker 3: When did you see in my in my career? Well,

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Speaker 2: You know what, that's your best bet against me?

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Speaker 3: What's the best like your best your best bet, you

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Speaker 3: know that's what you do, my best chance to do?

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Speaker 3: Dirty fight?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You never have seen him fighting dirty?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have a fight.

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Speaker 3: So where where was dirty punching on the inside? When

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Speaker 2: We know what you're preparing.

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Speaker 1: Look give Marvel that the footwork, the technique, the genius

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Speaker 2: No? But that's not the point. Not the point he's

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Speaker 2: calling it dirty to rattle Lumachenko. Right, He's calling it

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Speaker 2: puts Lumachenko on notice, It puts the corners on Everyone

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Speaker 2: is now got this kind of idea planted in their head.

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Speaker 2: Is Lumachenko dirty or might maybe he'll be dirty this time.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he's talking about. Lumachenko does something very very interesting.

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Speaker 2: This is why I love this from Devin Haney. This

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Speaker 2: is why it's a chess move. Lumachenko was very good

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Speaker 2: that is what he'll do is hope. Either he'll sometimes

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Speaker 2: is like it's at the space where like the referee

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Speaker 2: fully legal. Nothing about that is in any way illegal

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Speaker 2: or dirty, but it is clever, It is highly effective.

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Speaker 2: And if you just think about what han he's really

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Speaker 2: a fair amount of success. So what Devin Haney is

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Speaker 2: doing is saying no, no, no, that's actually dirty fighting,

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Speaker 2: almost like putting everyone on notice to look for it,

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Speaker 2: for him to complain, for him to invite the referee

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, or as you mentioned, to put everyone else

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Speaker 1: on alert. So what did Nevada State Athletic Commission do

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Speaker 1: Haney says he's gonna retire you. He says, you're a

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a trash talk I just I

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Speaker 2: Then you're doing for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you doing something, you prove this one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well, Lomo, everybody's talking about this video where

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Speaker 1: Why why is he saying that? Yo?

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Speaker 1: I do give credit, by the way, Luke Loma has

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Speaker 1: Luke Lomachenko a betting undertow get this for the first

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Speaker 1: We also know that Jermaine Ortiz was a key sparring

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the problem with this fight in

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Speaker 2: of these questions, we really don't have enough evidence to

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Speaker 2: conclude anything. I mean, this fight is supposed to be

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Speaker 2: I remember before the Ortiz and Loma fight, you being like,

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Speaker 2: lot of different ways I think you could look at this.

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Speaker 2: At thirty five, we just know that is on for

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Speaker 1: Very much. Could be because you said the unforgivable nature

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Speaker 1: also add in the fact that Lomachenko's style is built

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Speaker 1: But to close on the or Teazed fight. It's like

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Speaker 1: we did see Loma get hit more than normal. Sure,

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Speaker 1: Loma is old. I think that's unfair. I mean, Jermaine

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Speaker 3: And the people forgot about he was in my camp,

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Speaker 3: And it's you know, maybe maybe this hard fight help

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Speaker 1: For sure. Do you feel motivated though when people say

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Speaker 3: Really no, no, no, you know what my motivated and

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Speaker 3: Try to do this and a second time, and if

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Speaker 1: This is motivation, and Luke to close on Loma's motivation

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Speaker 1: He doesn't think about that. Yes, the undisputed titles mean

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Speaker 1: That's why he took this fight. But he said he's

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Speaker 2: Tactically, I really don't. I don't think any do. When

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Speaker 2: It's got Hani on one side and Loma on the other,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, let's go to this tale of the tape.

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Speaker 1: And while we might do the whole okay, is this

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Speaker 1: Even Loma jumped in and told me, look, he beat

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Speaker 1: He's been on this stage. He went to Australia and Luke.

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Speaker 1: As we have noted talking to Devin Haney before he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think those things are true. The speed part,

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's going to be very important here,

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Speaker 2: This has got to be a real big question of

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Speaker 2: guys turn, it's level changing, it's all that stuff. Right,

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00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: he's moving around, He's getting guys to either pull into

430
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: his punches or he's the one really beginning to open

431
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: up on them as they slowly retreat. If he's got

432
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: room to move and he's not getting hit with the

433
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: kind of shots that slow him down more generally aka

434
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: body work, that's just going to be a problem for

435
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: Devin Hanny to be a guy like that. It's too

436
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: close to give him those kinds of advantages. Conversely, we

437
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: already talked about what Hani was expecting. I think Loma

438
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: has to crowd the guy. I mean a five and

439
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: a half inch reach advantage with a one end. And

440
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: people don't understand this then anime, it doesn't feel a salient.

441
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 2: But when you only can throw punches if someone is

442
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: the same shoulder height as you, that's a certain amount

443
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: of output you have to throw. And people don't think

444
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: of it like one inch is a big deal, and

445
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: maybe for guys like Loma it's not. But again we're

446
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: talking about different changes here. Punching up is much more

447
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: tiring than punching straight or punching down. And so when

448
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: you have that much reach with a little bit of

449
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: hype and then thrown on top of it, I just

450
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: think if Haney's pumping that jab and pressing into Loma

451
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: and then taking away his space, or Loma has found

452
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: a way to crowd him and get inside and then

453
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 2: really make him shell up, I think Loma eats them

454
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: alive on the inside. That's where this fight is either

455
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: going to be won.

456
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: Or lost exactly, because if you're asking yourself, what is

457
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: there a hole in Devin Haney's game? Look, I've always

458
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: said of this four Kings, five kings, whatever, the youth,

459
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: the Gervonte, Davis, Ryan Garcia, all these guys. I think

460
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: Sha Kerr will be the best in the long run,

461
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: will find out. But Han, he's the most well rounded

462
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: and he's big. So you're like, okay, what are his weaknesses? Yes,

463
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: we're never gonna stop talking about how he was rocked

464
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: de laid against Lenaris and really had to hold on

465
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: and almost run for two and a half rounds, but

466
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: he came back and fights after that. He got hit

467
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: clean and fights after that and no problem at all.

468
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: So I really think the inside area. If there is

469
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: a slightly weak part of Devon's game comparatively to the

470
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: other parts of his game, that would be it. So

471
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: look that plays into also Devin Haney's greatest strength to

472
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: try to avoid that situation his jab. It's educated. He

473
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: controls distance so well. I think him and a young

474
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford are really like the like the two major

475
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: fighters that stand out to me where I really think

476
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: they can win a fight exclusively with their left hand

477
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: jab and nothing else because they are such a savant

478
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: at just that the distance control. The reason why we

479
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: love this specific fight so much is because Loma you

480
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: can't prepare for him. He's so different for that. He

481
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: uses so many different darting foot patterns in so many

482
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: educated ways to get inside of you that it's different

483
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: than the normal sort of equation of how do you

484
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: beat Hani's jab? But Wama not scared of it. He

485
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: was talking to fight ub TV this week and said, look,

486
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Haney's jab is the same as Ryan Garcia's left hook,

487
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work against the guy who knows boxing.

488
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I know boxing. The people in boxing no boxing. Look,

489
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: that's his way of saying, I got no problem getting

490
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: inside of this. Is there any scenario that you see

491
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: that if Devin Haney controls and wins this fight, that

492
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: it is dominantly behind that jab or does he need

493
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: to establish early a right hand to discipline Loma? Somewhat

494
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: similarly to the success of Tail feel ahead.

495
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: Tyaloe Femo seems a little bit more athletically explosive than him.

496
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: That's my personal feeling. Tale Femo's got a little bit

497
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: of bounce, a quick bounce that Hani's got some. But

498
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the part we haven't wen we talked

499
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: about either of BC. Could this be? I mean, he's

500
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: got all four titles, but dude, Devin Haney's gonna go

501
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: to one forty, right, He's gonna go to one forty.

502
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: It is a little bit hard for him. I think

503
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: to make one thirty five, even at twenty four years

504
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: of age, he can do it. I think will be.

505
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: I think he's got the gas tank for twelve. But

506
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about like there's a there's there's

507
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: a tax he has to pay at this weight class

508
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: that is significant enough that it deserves to mention here,

509
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: I think is the way I would start it, but

510
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: I lost track of your question.

511
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: BC, basically saying, look, this ties into one of the

512
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: key points Loma started laid against Tyoe Femo. That's what

513
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: cost him at the end on the score cards. Even

514
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: though I do think we all agree the scorecards in

515
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: the end were way too wide. That was a very

516
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: close fight in which Loma Tao, though in the twelfth

517
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: round hurt him. Put the exclamation point. This can't be

518
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: a Gervante Floyd Canelos start to the fight to Loma

519
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: where you're taking that snapshot and figuring it out. You've

520
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: got him. This is probably going to go the distance.

521
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: But to get Loma off of that, to create a

522
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: slow start for Loma, Hani's got to not just have

523
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: the jab luke, but that right hand is gonna have

524
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: to sting. He's gonna have to make that right hand

525
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: that there's a toll to that. There's a toll to pay.

526
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but he has to be careful too with

527
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: that one. I still think all roads lead to the jab.

528
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: But I think I want to say something too about

529
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: that job. But to your point, does need the right

530
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: hand to discipline him like Teo Femo? Maybe maybe, But

531
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: I feel like Loma's excuse me, I feel like Tayo

532
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: Fimo's job is not as good as Hany's. It's not

533
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: as versatile, it's not as powerful, it's not as useful.

534
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: He's got a much better and more centralized to his

535
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: whole system jab. But the thing is for me is

536
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: this the natural state of this fight is probably gonna

537
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: be Haini taking rounds right because his jab is good,

538
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: it's quick, it's sharp, his angles are good, his foot

539
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: movement is good. His defense is largely pretty good, although

540
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: at times he's shown the ability to get hit. But

541
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: I just want to point out, like if Loma defaults

542
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: to that early for a couple of rounds, maybe three

543
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: at most, that's not the end of the world. Against Lopez,

544
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: he let six or seven go by before he really

545
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: began to begin to make changes unacceptable. Against Devin Haney unacceptable,

546
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: you will not beat him if you are waiting until

547
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: round seven to get the changes going. They have to happen.

548
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: And my point is bc if he doesn't make changes enough.

549
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: The default is gonna be Hany taking rounds off the

550
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: jab round two, round three, round four, It will just

551
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: be that, dude, he beat Cambosis over twenty four without

552
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: much more than that. I realize Loma is better than

553
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Cambosis in a lot of technical ways, but to your point,

554
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: he is smaller, he is older, you know, all that

555
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: stuff matters as well, Like Loma has to be the

556
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: one one to take away that in whatever capacity he can,

557
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: and it has to be before round six. Yeah.

558
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: Look, if you let Hane get comfortable, fights over, the

559
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: fight's over unless you can hurt him with a big shot. So, Luke,

560
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: how offensive I think is the question here? Does Loma

561
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: have to be early? I think he has to be

562
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: not only offensive enough to not fall down on a

563
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: ford and nothing, you know, round start to the fight.

564
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: In terms of just feeling things out, I think he

565
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: just the same in the first two rounds. He's got

566
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: to get inside and touch Haney, and it's gotta be

567
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, letting him know. Okay, like like, look, these

568
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: are two fighters physically that are going in opposite directions.

569
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: Hane's gonna be at one forty before we know it.

570
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a welterweight stud probably moving up to

571
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: fifty four down the line. Looma was already over his head.

572
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you're not. You know,

573
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: this is as high as he's gonna get. So I

574
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: don't expect Loma's power to be a threat like we

575
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: talked about where Lenaris rocked Haney. But he's got a

576
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: land with some with some pop early on to sort

577
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: of set his own tone because you cannot let Hany

578
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: go downhill on you. He is not afraid to win

579
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: a fight as boring as possible. He has the skills

580
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: and tools to do that. Luke. We talk about the

581
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: fact that Hani, it's probably not going to be too

582
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: small for a stage like this. He seems mentally dialed

583
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: in and more mature, certainly than than you know, any

584
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: fighter close to his age. But how about this, despite

585
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: very good wins over Jojo Diaz Lenares and two over Cambosis,

586
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: they're not Loma, Luke, They're not even thirty five year

587
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: old Loma. To be very fair, is there a potential

588
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: scenario here early on where the awkwardness, the uniqueness, the

589
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: technical brilliance of Loma could have HAINI chasing and confused

590
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: or is that not something you're looking at here?

591
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: Maybe late? Maybe late? I don't, I do. I think

592
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Devon is Devin is very high IQ, very very high IQ.

593
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: He's not going to be confused by much. I think

594
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: he can be, like you mentioned the Lenaraz fight, like,

595
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: he can be a little bit out physicaled, especially if

596
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago when he's still kind

597
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: of getting into his full man strength body. You know,

598
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: there's times where I've seen him less physically resilient. But

599
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the issue that Loma is going

600
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: to really be presenting unless shit goes really downhill pretty quickly.

601
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: I think the issue that I think I'm looking to

602
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: see maybe BC. I mean, you got to be careful

603
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: with this against Hane, especially in terms of how he retreats.

604
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: But I wonder what kind of combination flurry punching we

605
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: might see from Lomachenko right in between punches to take

606
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: advantage of him, get him backing up, covering up, and

607
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: then using that to close the distance on him and

608
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: then really begin to work on him, you know, get

609
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: the crowd excited, get the judges noticing, make demonstrative action

610
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: and then the rest of the time kind of trying

611
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: to stay away from the jab if you can. That

612
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: seems to me an early road Potentially that could go down,

613
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: but of course you can get snipered by Hani as well,

614
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: so no risk, no reward there.

615
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: I think ultimately Hane's job, Luke, to lower the output

616
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: of Lomachenko. You keep Lomachenko's output down, you win this

617
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: fight potentially comfortably. But to do that, as we've already established,

618
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to land power shots. In my opinion,

619
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: beyond just that jab and watching you know, look, I

620
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: gotta give Top Break a lot of credit. I think

621
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: they promoted this fight very well. The pre fight stuff

622
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: they put out has been fantastic, and you know, they

623
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: had that blood, sweat and tears pre fight documentary series,

624
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and a big part of that we're watching Hani and

625
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Camp really work on power explosion. Luke. It's like this

626
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: when we're talking about these great young fighters, like we

627
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: don't know yet if Tayo Femo, Ryan Garcia are going

628
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: to be great, right, They're very good, They've got questions.

629
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: I tend to believe Hani is in the same category

630
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: as both Tank and Shakur from the standpoint of we're

631
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: looking at three all time greats, potentially if they all

632
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: play out that way at the very least, great talents

633
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: right like great. If anyone can surprise us in this

634
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: fighting go to another level we haven't seen, it's Devin Haney,

635
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: without question. I want this to be the fight where

636
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: he takes that step to where he really hasn't gone

637
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: yet offensively, where he's a combination punching threat. Because the

638
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: way he is going to have to discipline Loma if

639
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: he does to lower that output and to make Loma chase,

640
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: to make Loma put himself in potentially uncomfortable compromising situations,

641
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: is sitting down on that right hand, is bringing in

642
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: the left hook, is having combination punching. I guess my

643
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: question to you is because Hany does have his critics,

644
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: because people call him either too boring or they don't

645
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: believe he has the power and chin combination necessarily necessary

646
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: to be one of these what I'm talking about all

647
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: time greats. Do you think Haney, who's only twenty four,

648
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: still has a lot of room to grow offensively and

649
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: maybe this could be that fight to showcase it. Because

650
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: this is the best opponent he's ever faced that would

651
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: bring that out of him.

652
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, I do, I do. I There have

653
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: been times along this journey where I was not so

654
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: convinced where there was I think that there was a

655
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: time where, you know, Haney's career is kind of funny, right,

656
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: there was a I'm when the hype got a little

657
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: bit out in front of where he actually was. And

658
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: then there's now a sort of a point where it's

659
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: trying to almost catch up with what he seems to

660
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: be either be doing or headed for or maybe, if

661
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: you want to say, because he's unified and undisputed, already done. Right,

662
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: So there's been a bit of a seesaw where the

663
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: hype around him wasn't quite matching exactly where he was

664
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: at that moment, but was generally in the right territory,

665
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: just somewhere in either direction. I think this is one

666
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: of the fights we see where you can get those

667
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: two a little bit more in alignment, especially if he

668
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: ends up showing you that right. So, to me, it's

669
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: about just kind of figure, you know, the Goldilock syndrome

670
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: a little bit with Hanney. If the porge is too cold,

671
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: it's too hot. Maybe after this one, it will be

672
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: just right. I mean, at that point when you have

673
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: all four titles and you have such a good win

674
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: against a proven competitor like this who is maybe older.

675
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: But this is want to be key about this. Lomachenko's older.

676
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: He is not washed. He is definitely not washed. And

677
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: so for that reason, man, the stakes here are huge.

678
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: And see, I'll be honest with you. If he goes

679
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: to one forty and he looks good here, I think

680
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: there could be a couple of extra levels of excellence

681
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: that he could eventually reach, depending on how it goes.

682
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: So big test, we can't say he's there yet. But

683
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: this is one of those moments where you might you

684
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: might get a certain view of Devin Haney that wasn't

685
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: quite in focus before. It might come into to one here.

686
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: All right, before we lay down our picks here, I

687
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: will say this, Loma was not really into a lot

688
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: of the line of questioning I was giving him. Look,

689
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk about his leg, he doesn't

690
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: want talk about anything. Luke Loma's answered all the questions.

691
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: Is ultimately, sir, Let's wait till we get in the ring,

692
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: and then I'll answer all your questions. In front of me.

693
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: But I do think this is two things for Loma

694
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: at the same time. I think this is the biggest

695
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: fight of his career, and I also think this is

696
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: the toughest fight of his pro career because ultimately, Luke,

697
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: he's beaten bigger guys before, but he's beaten bigger guys

698
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: who had distinct holes in their game. They're not great boxers,

699
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: right or or they can do some things, but they

700
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: don't have enough power to keep him off, off of

701
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: him and discipline him. He's dealing with both right here.

702
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you this, If that's true,

703
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: if this is both the biggest and toughest fight of

704
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: his twenty fight pro career, he's already first ballot Hall

705
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: of Famer, right, two Olympic gold medals, three division champion,

706
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: won a world title in his third pro fight, became

707
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: a two division champion, and his seventh three division champion

708
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: in his tenth Like, who the hell does that?

709
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: Right?

710
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Beyond Niowa? In a way, how much more would this

711
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: win add to his legacy? It's tough to ask you

712
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: that because we still don't know exactly who a Devin

713
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Haney ends up as. But do you echo what I'm

714
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: saying here that this would be actually the most impressive

715
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: win against the unbeaten, undisputed champion, who's as talented a

716
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: guy you can as you could find. What would this

717
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: do to his legacy in your eyes?

718
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard for me to quantify exactly what

719
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: I want to say here, but do you remember the

720
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: feeling you got for the MMA fans remember the feeling,

721
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: not the immediacy of it, but maybe like an hour

722
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: or two later after Izzy knocked out Alex Paeda, like

723
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: and I don't mean like joy, I mean like wow, dude,

724
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: the resolve that it took mentally to do that, right,

725
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: that is so impressive. I think if Lomachenko wins even

726
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: a close decision, you might get something like that at

727
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: thirty five, to be the guy eleven years your junior,

728
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: who had all the physical advantages we talked about, who

729
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: are just gotta believe me, Guys, his style is very

730
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: high IQ. He and his father they've done their own

731
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: path in boxing, and dude, they are they've done it right. Like,

732
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: there's not much you can say critically in the way,

733
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: and so to get a victory like that, because I mean,

734
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: if you just read the boxing forums and the comments. Dude,

735
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of like people ready to move

736
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: on from Lomachenko, the lost of Lopez being gone, the

737
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: underperformance against Jamaine Ortiz, you know, and everything else being

738
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: thirty five, Here comes Hani, here comes this new crop

739
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: of other guys. There's people kind of being like you

740
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: ever seen the meme where the kid is dropping the

741
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: woody to from toy Story, It's like, I'm done playing

742
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: with you. It's a little bit like that going on, dude.

743
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: For him to wrestle back that space at thirty five

744
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: against a kid, even if he doesn't end up being

745
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: who we think he is already to this point, is

746
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: the fucking real deal, Holy Field man, that would be

747
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: end BC. I think honestly, his legacy in so many

748
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: ways is kind of already set, But that would be

749
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: one of the most important chapters in his story, quite frankly,

750
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: and I think it would be massively impressive.

751
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: And I think you'd have to, you know, especially if

752
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Hani would would have gone on to big things, you'd

753
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: have to lump that in among the greatest you know,

754
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: sort of old man wins in history, Like is that exactly?

755
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: George Foreman at forty five knocking out Michael Moore to

756
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: win the heavyweight battle. I don't know. Is it Bernard

757
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: Hopkins at you know, forty six beating John Pascal and

758
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: becoming the oldest champion, which he would break his own

759
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: record later. I don't know, but it'd be up there

760
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: given the weight class and the circumstances and consequently, Luke

761
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: for Hani, just want to let people know they have

762
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: been very calculated him and his dad and guiding their career.

763
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Like Floyd Maylweather was all over this guy when he

764
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: had like just a couple pro fights, trying to sign him.

765
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: They ultimately went with Eddie Hern and Matchroom's sport and

766
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: we're on to Zone for a while. Then they took

767
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: that three fight deal with Top Rank, which forced them

768
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: to take the two Cambosas fights. This is the final

769
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: fight of that three fight deal. So if Hanny wins this,

770
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: he might be the biggest free agent we've seen in

771
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: a while. Here, twenty four years old, coming off beating Lomachenko,

772
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the undisputed champion. Luke, I could see him going anywhere

773
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: win or lose here, you know, unless we need an

774
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: immediate rematch here. You could go to PBC and suddenly

775
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: we're like, when do we make the tank fight? You

776
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: could go to dezone again, and suddenly it's like, hey,

777
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: you fought Ryan Garcia six times and the amateurs and

778
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: you went three and three. A lot of enough people

779
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: talk about that side. I know they're gonna go where

780
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: the best offer is and we'll find out. But something

781
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: to watch for if Haney wins this one, or even

782
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: if not in terms of his stock and his value.

783
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: Uh sha curse. Stevenson wants winner. But that's only, of course,

784
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: if Haney sticks around. But maybe I'm wrong, Luke. Maybe

785
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Tank Davis versus Ryan Garcia is the beginning of more

786
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: of these young stars pushing to get what they want.

787
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: We shall see. Let's find out what we shall see

788
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: in the ring Saturday night. Luke, it's on you here.

789
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: Maybe if not your pick, we can we can break

790
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: that down and okay, better he can do it now.

791
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: But what's gonna happen within these twelve rounds? In your eyes?

792
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: Part of me kind of hopes the old guy gets it.

793
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he will, though Devin Haney is too smart,

794
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: too physically skilled, too physical. I think in the end

795
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna be it's gonna be Razor close, folks. Probably

796
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: in all likelihood it's gonna be Razor close down to

797
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: the wire. There will be swings, probably in momentum at

798
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: certain points, no doubt about it. But I believe Devin

799
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: Haney is he wasn't ready for this, maybe a couple

800
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: of years ago, as I said, But I think he's

801
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: ready now and I think he's going to pass that test.

802
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: I like Hane my decision.

803
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: And he's barking about that four year difference where he

804
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: should have fought him, then I think he should be

805
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: happy that he's fighting him now under these circus chances

806
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: and not even talk about that although he might be

807
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: doing it again. They seem one step ahead the Haines

808
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: in terms of the mental strategy for this fight. Three

809
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: fight pay per view main card. I'll give you the

810
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: pick at the end at the ok bet, but Luke

811
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: Oscar Valdez and the co feature is going to rematch

812
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: Adam Lopez. That was a decision win for Valdez a

813
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, but he was dropped early. The

814
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: winner is expected to face Emmanuel Navarette for a world

815
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: title there at one point thirty Also on the featured prelim,

816
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Maloney's gonna take on Junto Nakatani for the vacant

817
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: WBO Junior bantamway title, And Luke, do you care at

818
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: all about the Niko Ali Waalsh story? The grandson of

819
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: the greatest. He's twenty two, he's eight and oher with

820
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: five KOs. He's now on the eight round level here

821
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: at middleweight.

822
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what I'm gonna say. I definitely am not

823
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: gonna hate on the kid at all whatsoever, but just

824
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: ring me when he's at or near something, you know.

825
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: That is the kind of boxing that we cover, the

826
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: kind of more relevant end. So if he gets there, great,

827
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: If he doesn't, all right, it is what it is.

828
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: But good luck to him.

829
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he is working hard. To give him that credit.

830
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: He's gone through a lot of trainers though in the

831
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: past few fights, Luke. The other big boxing item before

832
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: we move over to mixed martial arts is going to

833
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: go down in Dublin Saturday in the afternoon on de Zone.

834
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor, the Pride of Ireland, the undisputed undefeated lightweight

835
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: champion of the world, thirty six years old, gonna have

836
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: her first fight on Irish soil. Luke I had no

837
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: idea in her pro career. This is her first fight.

838
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense now considering how big this

839
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: fight has gotten this week in terms of the build

840
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: up and people talking. I mean, Ariol Luke is all

841
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: over that over there in Ireland. But here's a little

842
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: bit interesting here. Katy Taylor's moving up in wait one

843
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: forty and taking on the undisputed champion and waiting here

844
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: Chantell Cameron, who's seventeen and oh eight KOs, thirty two

845
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: years old from Northampton, England. Taylor, as I mentioned, thirty six,

846
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: she's twenty two and oh with six KOs. Let's start here.

847
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: Luke's Taylor the pump for palm best right now in

848
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: your eyes? I think she would get my vote after

849
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: the Serrano win, even though it could have gone either way.

850
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: Where do you lie in this?

851
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, I think probably that's probably safe to say.

852
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: You know, I still think women's boxing is so underdeveloped.

853
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: There aren't like a ton of great contenders per division,

854
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: or at least in enough of them, and so these again,

855
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: Serrano versus Taylor is kind of they're not really fighting

856
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: in uh, the Serrano's not fighting her natural weight class

857
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: in year, Taylor's not fighting in hers like these women

858
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: always have to make trade offs in one direction or

859
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: the other. But in general, I think she's done the

860
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: best work to this point. So for that reason, Taylor

861
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: gets my vote as number one.

862
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: I would agree with you on that is thirty six

863
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: though angling for that rematch was supposed to be the

864
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Serrano rematch, Amanda got hurt. They sh shuffled this in place,

865
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: and look this is I mean, you got to give

866
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor credit for what she goes after. Her big

867
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: quote on the press conference was one thing that has

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: marked my career is I never picked the easy challenge.

869
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: I want the biggest tests. What's the point any other way.

870
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: That's the thing ultimately that I give her a ton

871
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: of respect for Luke. It's the consistency work ethic mixed

872
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: with the fact that like she wants the best, she

873
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: wants all the smoke at all times. My only problem

874
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: with the growing women's boxing game, which I'm so happy

875
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: it's finally growing by the way and these type of

876
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: spotlights are possible, is you do get a lot of

877
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: undisputed fights where like they're just tossing in extra belts

878
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: to make it undisputed. There's not a deep pool of contenders,

879
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: but to Taylor's credit, she has fought nothing but the best.

880
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: This is no different here in Chantel Cameron, who became

881
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: the undisputed one hundred and forty pound champion when she

882
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: beat another undisputed champion when Jessica mccaskell moved down from walterweight.

883
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: So you see what I'm saying here. There's a lot

884
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: of undisputed going around because we're just tossing belts a

885
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: lot of times. But Cameron got that unanimous decision when

886
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: she lost by the way to Katie Taylor and the amateurs.

887
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: I didn't find that out till this morning. Cameron ultimately

888
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: claimed I was only ten fights into my boxing transition

889
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: from kickboxing, so it doesn't really count. Cameron also will

890
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: have a three inch height and reach advantage as Katie

891
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: Taylor moves up in wait, Luke, we just set the

892
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: stage there. What are you thinking here? Katie Taylor minus

893
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: one seventy five plus one p fifty for Chantel Cameron.

894
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: Some people are whispering the idea of trap fight here

895
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: that this may be you know, one challenge too much,

896
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: but you know, watching tape on them Look, these are

897
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: two minute rounds, Katie Taylor. No one out works her

898
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: in those two minute rounds. This is only a five

899
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: pound difference at the end of the day.

900
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, five pounds could be a lot. I'm not dismissing

901
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: that quite as much as you are. But I know

902
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Like, is that really gonna be the difference?

903
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Hard to say, hard to say. I guess we'll see

904
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: in the end, But I'm with you. Just the work rate,

905
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: the volume, and do like you know, go back to

906
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: the Serrano fight. Her willingness to sell out when she

907
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 2: has to. Also, I think from that Tailor fight, maybe

908
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: she just showed some vulnerabilities, but it also showed some

909
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: just ridiculous resiliency to getting tagged like that. So you know,

910
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: listen when they called a trap fight, I don't, I don't.

911
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: I think that's crazy. I really don't. I don't know

912
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: what you may have heard. The odds, I may have

913
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: misheard it. Me see, I forget, But just.

914
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: One fifty Cameron minus one, seven to five Taylor.

915
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's about right, dude, that's about right. That's that's

916
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: not a crazy line at all to me. So I

917
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: definitely nod towards Taylor, but a little bit of risk

918
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: here for sure.

919
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: This is the first time in boxing history in this

920
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: four belt era the last couple decades that we're seeing

921
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: two unbeaten, undisputed champions facing off at the same time. Obviously,

922
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: Taylor can go back down to one thirty five as

923
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: she loses, but she certainly can add to her history here.

924
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: Luke so not sleeping on this. It should be a

925
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: monster event there as her she fights on Irish soil

926
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: for the first time. Luke I mentioned a couple of times,

927
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: but like, do you know how Katie Taylor moved to Vernon,

928
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Connecticut in twenty sixteen. No one found out about it,

929
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: including me for like four or five years. She subsequently

930
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: bought a house on top of a hill, built a

931
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: gym inside her house. She also trains at a local

932
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: gym in Manchester. To close on this Katie set up,

933
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: we'll get the picks later, but in the Connecticut Combat

934
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: Sports pound for pound rankings, and consider we've got Glover

935
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: to share a Brennan Ward, Mike Kimball, Parker, Porter Apathy, BC,

936
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: Chuck Mindenhall, Wellington, Urman, Poeton. Where does Katie Taylor belong

937
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: at the moment. Is she the queen of Connecticut? Is

938
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: it too soon for that? How many years of residency

939
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: does she need?

940
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: I feel like you gotta go? How long has she

941
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: been there.

942
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: Since twenty sixteen?

943
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, yeah, I think she gets it. Maybe one

944
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: more year in a round out like the two presidential cycles.

945
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good right.

946
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor did follow up on what he told Eddie

947
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Hearn and he is the sponsor of this fight with

948
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Proper twelve. He will be there also Terry Harper and

949
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: former unders be the champion, Cecilia Bracas and the comane

950
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: for the junior middleweight title WBA, Luke Thomas. To close

951
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: out the Boxing News somewhat of a big one here,

952
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia's got the new trainer locked up and he's

953
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: going to the top of the line defending reigning twenty

954
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: twenty two Trainer of the Year Derek James has signed on.

955
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: Here is a picture yesterday of Garcia in the gym

956
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: with Erol Spence Junior. Let's hope Errol's working on training

957
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: for the Crawford fight this summer.

958
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: The way Errol Spence was making fun of how sucked

959
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: out Ryan Garcia looked before his fight with Tank Davis,

960
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny they're in the same stable now.

961
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: So look, this was surprising the people. Three fights with

962
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: Joe Goosen, five fights before that with Canelo's trainer Eddie Renoso,

963
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: and that relationship fell apart. And of course this is

964
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: a very select camp where Derek James only trains big

965
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: names Erol Spence Junior, Jamel Charlow, Rising Lightweight, Frank Martin,

966
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: and of course he just added Anthony Joshua in April

967
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: when he beat Jermaine Franklin. Your thoughts on this change

968
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: from Goosen to James.

969
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't mind it at all. I think, listen, Goosen

970
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: for the right guy. Is Goosen's gonna make him a champion?

971
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: Eddie renosso for the right guy, I mean, we've already

972
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: seen that he's gonna make him a champion. For Goosen

973
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: as well, Like, it's not like one trainer, they all

974
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: offer something different. It's all about whether or not they

975
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: work with Ryan. But more to the point, listen, what

976
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: is Derek James going to give him? I think a

977
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: lot more defensive responsibility. I think he's going to clean

978
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: up his footwork, probably a lot. These are things that

979
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: he needs, and I think he's gonna make his offense

980
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: selective in a good way, right, not getting out in

981
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: front of his skis like he did against Gervante. But dude,

982
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: you know, and people say, oh, well, Derek James will

983
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 2: make it this way, Dude, know the fuck he won't.

984
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: This is only going to work if Ryan allows it

985
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: to work. They cannot mandate it, They cannot make it.

986
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know what everyone says, Well, Derek James

987
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: will find a way to like make you know, the

988
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: workouts this way, and he will demand it from him.

989
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: If Ryan doesn't succumb and give into the process, then

990
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what Derek James demands. So right, you know,

991
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: maybe maybe Goosen was more accommodating of that relationship, and

992
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: maybe Derek James won't and will force a change. All

993
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I'm pointing out is a change has to happen on

994
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: Ryan's and first before the magic of Derek James sees

995
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: any light.

996
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Of day, especially since he's gone in succession from like

997
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: the trainer of the Year for three years in a row,

998
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: to a Hall of Fame trainer in Goosen, now to

999
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: the best current trainer. Could this help absolutely for everything?

1000
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: Luke said, Let's remember Derek builds offensively potent dynamos who

1001
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: retain their defensive responsibilities. That is exactly what Ryan Garcia needs.

1002
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: But to your point, Joe Gooson could have taught a

1003
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of that too, and Luke, Joe goosen was on

1004
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: the Dan Rayfield podcast and ultimately said Ryan called him

1005
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: himself to end the relationship. He's not mad. He trained

1006
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: him in the past, He'll train him in the future

1007
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: if he wants. But Joe is really protective on trying

1008
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: to paint anything negative with this. I do think these

1009
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: piling up reactions though, because Canelo and Eddie were very

1010
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: honest when Ryan left about his work ethic. I think

1011
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: it does come down to Ryan buying into the trainer,

1012
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: no question. If it doesn't work here, it's like who

1013
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: are you going to go to? So I'm hoping for

1014
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: Ryan's sake he becomes a force at one forty and

1015
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: we see some big fights with Eric James in his corner. Luke,

1016
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: topic number two, let's get into some MMA here. We

1017
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: got an interesting ish car the Saturday the apex UFC

1018
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: Vegas seventy three interesting with an ass.

1019
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, it's just some fights.

1020
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: It's just some fights.

1021
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: Just fight.

1022
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: There are actually about four or five candidates for BC

1023
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: Super Sloppy Special of the Week, so maybe that's why

1024
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: I like this. I mean, look, we got we got

1025
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: Beefy La Chiefee, we got Chase Hooper, we.

1026
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: Got no no, no, no no. Here's what we have on

1027
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: this card that I know has your name written all

1028
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: over at Vanessa Demopolis.

1029
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just be honest with you, Carolina Dude against

1030
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: colvil Kaevis. This is like my Super Bowl, right, I mean,

1031
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: we got Edmund Shibazi and main event though we've got straweights,

1032
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: so that gets me fired up. Mackenzie durn A minus

1033
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: one seventy betting favorite against plus one four or five

1034
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: Angela Hill. We had a brief debate argument over my

1035
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: belief Luke that this is somewhat of a mismatch fight.

1036
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: I not only don't think it's main event worthy, although

1037
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: I recognize the star power with Derna and how close

1038
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: she will be to a title shot anytime she picks

1039
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: up a big win. Because of a lot of reasons,

1040
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: Angela Hill at thirty eight, riding a three fight win

1041
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: streak even with those plus parts of it to it, Luke,

1042
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: She's got to make a leap to win this, even

1043
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: with Mackenzie's mistakes. In my opinion, tell me why I'm wrong.

1044
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong.

1045
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: There's been two times Angela Hill I think was put

1046
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: into submissions, and she was submitted both. I think Randon

1047
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: Marcos arm barred her and somebody else got her too.

1048
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make here is I

1049
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: think that Mackenzie Dern. Here's the thing. If this was

1050
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: a three round fight, you might be like, well it's

1051
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: a little diceier, But in a five round fight, you

1052
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: just wonder when Mackenzie durn gets it to the floor,

1053
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: because she's probably good for at least one, maybe two

1054
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: within twenty five minutes, that she'll get the submission once

1055
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: it gets there, right, I mean, I think that's all

1056
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: what a lot of people are basically thinking that Hill

1057
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: could certainly win on the feet, and probably will win

1058
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: on the feet, but eventually we'll get taken down, and

1059
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: when she gets taken down, that'll close the show. I

1060
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 2: will tell you, I'm I understand that line of thinking.

1061
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: And were it. I have some doubts about it this time.

1062
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 2: And the reason I have doubts about it this time is,

1063
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: first of all, I mean I feel very bad for her,

1064
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: just as a person. She described to the media, you know,

1065
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: having to work with different coaches because Jason Perrillo was

1066
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: working with Luke Rockle for something else, so she had

1067
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: to go do a different gym. She's getting divorced, you know,

1068
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: moving around like this is traumatic stuff for a person

1069
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: to have to go through, Like genuinely traumatic, even if

1070
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: it's the easiest divorced divorce is awful.

1071
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Okay, she said it was bad. She said it was

1072
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: very challenging in.

1073
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I mean I think she's definitely playing it euphemistically.

1074
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: She's probably dealt with just unreal shit, especially when you

1075
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: have kids involved. I mean, it's just a gigantic fucking mess.

1076
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: B See. I did a tape study on her at

1077
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: the at the end of her last contest, and it

1078
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: was just so baffling to me. Where she would elect

1079
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: to take very mechanically disadvantageous positions that didn't allow her

1080
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: ground and pound and kind of upped her ability to

1081
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: snatch arms from certain people. But they were able to.

1082
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: It was kind of telegraphed. There wasn't any kind of

1083
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: physical control to subdue it, and there wasn't enough ground

1084
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: and pound even in the control positions. So she's losing

1085
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: these fights even on the ground. BC. She's not going

1086
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: to make that up in one fight number one, number two,

1087
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: all of these other distractions are seen that they could

1088
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: be rather significant. So if Mackenzie Dern, even with all

1089
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: her limitations, is now functionally reduced because of all of

1090
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: these difficulties, I think that's a real slot for Angela

1091
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Hill to potentially overperform with volume.

1092
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: That is an interesting setup the way you put that.

1093
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Let's hear from durn herself. So she caught up with

1094
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: Shaquille Majori, our colleague at CBS Sports. You can check

1095
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: out the Shack MMA channel for full interviews. But one

1096
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: thing was what you mentioned. This is a new start

1097
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways for Dern, coming off the

1098
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: majority of decision loss to Yaoshan On that really could

1099
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: have lifted her to a title shot. She got the divorce,

1100
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: she turned thirty. She's made some changes here, Luke. Here's

1101
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: her talking about entering MMA originally naive and how much

1102
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: that has led to her growth professionally as well.

1103
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: You don't really know the game. You don't know who

1104
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: are all the who are all the top people. You know,

1105
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 4: you don't know who are the who are the best coaches.

1106
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: You don't know what's the what's the best camp? You know.

1107
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: I went from like the lab, then I went to

1108
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 4: the black house, you know, I trained to Brazil.

1109
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Ruka.

1110
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 4: It's just hard when you don't know, you know. I

1111
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 4: was like, you know, you're naive. You know, you're getting

1112
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: into this, you know, and you're.

1113
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: Like, you're where the information from.

1114
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're the nice person. Everyone's offering you good you know,

1115
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 4: management company. You know, there's just so much behind, you know,

1116
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 4: there's so much behind. Everyone promises you all these things,

1117
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: you know, like we're gonna make You're gonna be the

1118
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: next big star in this and that and money and

1119
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's so easy for you

1120
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: to get you know, just kind of like, okay, well

1121
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 4: what's the big picture, Like Okay, I just need to

1122
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 4: win each round. Okay, I just need to like make

1123
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 4: them give you the submission instead of forcing it. You know,

1124
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 4: like that's okay, I got it.

1125
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: I can do that, you know. And a new hair

1126
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: collar Luke, as well for Mackenzie Dern and to all

1127
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: any MK female fans out there, just to let you know,

1128
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: Shaquille Masuri is engaged to be married. This man is

1129
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: coming off the market soon, Luke. Okay, I just want

1130
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: to let you know that as well. Congrats, all right, hey,

1131
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: Luke shack almost also caught up with Angela Hill Let's

1132
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: be Fair thirty eight years old. Angela Hill's recent run

1133
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: has had some waves. She's had a couple reinvention runs

1134
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: of wind streaks that led to look are we looking

1135
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: at a contender here? Also had some losing streaks. She's

1136
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: not a nice streak right now, Let's talk about how

1137
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: she was able to bounce back to get here main

1138
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: event thirty eight, entering a chance for really the biggest

1139
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: win of her career.

1140
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 5: To be Fair, I left my old gym alliance back

1141
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 5: in I think twenty twenty one. I ended up leaving

1142
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 5: them and kind of doing my own thing, kind of

1143
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 5: trying to find my own schedule and training partners and coaches,

1144
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 5: and I felt like I landed on a good rhythm

1145
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 5: with everything. I feel like I have a good balance

1146
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 5: where I'm getting the right training and everyone is talking

1147
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: to each other. In that three fight win streak, I

1148
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 5: mean three fight louse streak, there.

1149
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: Was a win.

1150
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 5: You know, I lost to Mandalemos in that fight, and

1151
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 5: it was hard to go from that to losing. Legitimately,

1152
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 5: I felt like afterwards because I felt I just I

1153
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: felt like I was coming off of a win and

1154
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 5: then I lose, and now it makes that other loss

1155
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: seem more real.

1156
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this would be a big win, Luke. This has

1157
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: been a nice turnaround for her and thirty eight years

1158
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: old to be in this position, this is great, some

1159
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: great longevity she's been able to put forth and evolve

1160
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: her game along that time. Luke, There's so many fights

1161
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: that tease my sloppiness. Any fights on here actually get

1162
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: you fired up as them fan.

1163
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: Beyond this main event, So, Joaquin Buckley going down to welterweight,

1164
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: I think is long overdue. Obviously he had the hammer too,

1165
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: a hammer Yeah yeah, yeah, Like they didn't make it

1166
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: easy for him, you know, not at all. But I

1167
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: think he also changed, or at least he's I think

1168
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: this is he's still working with extreme couture relatively new,

1169
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: so I think they're trying to clean up a lot

1170
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: of the mistakes he's made. I think this is a

1171
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: much better weight class for him, even though it's obviously

1172
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: a tough one. But I mean he had the physicality

1173
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: to contend at one eighty five, but in the end,

1174
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't think that was the appropriate place. So I'm

1175
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: curious to see about that one. Also, we see Michael

1176
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 2: Johnson Carlos Diego fahead as interesting. Fajita thirty eight years

1177
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: old himself against Michael Johnson, who either can beat the

1178
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: best in the world or lose to guys who are

1179
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: barely on the UFC bubble, and he can do both,

1180
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: so that's an interesting one. And last, but at least

1181
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: Emily Ducatti I think as just a slight underdog against

1182
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: Lupi Go Dinez, that one should be close. Could be

1183
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: really fun. Edmond Schabazi and my fellow Armenian. You know,

1184
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: there's a few little gems on there.

1185
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: Douccatti bounce him back from that first UFC to and

1186
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: also luke Edmund Shabazi and ended his disastrous three fight

1187
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: losing skid with a stoppage win last time out. He'll

1188
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: be a plus two hundred underdog in this co feature

1189
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: against minus two forty Anthony Hernandez. I don't think coach

1190
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: had Edmunds on the on the team anymore, Luke, So

1191
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, no need to talk about any head movement.

1192
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: But do you see edmund continuing this streak here?

1193
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope. I do think he's got a

1194
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: lot of ability, but I think his confidence got shattered

1195
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: big time. And do Anthony Hernandez is like the kind

1196
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: of guy who could give him some real problem. So

1197
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: this is a fairly big test actually to see not

1198
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: just where his skill level is, but where, you know,

1199
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: where is your confidence in your ability to compete here anymore?

1200
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: Looked pretty good in some certain spots more recently, but

1201
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: this is a tough one.

1202
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that Buckley fight. Fialjo is on a

1203
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: two fight losing skid, but dude, he comes to Bang,

1204
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be a war. Don't sleep as well, Luke.

1205
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: Mahashate versus Slava clause is like, right up my alley

1206
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: of weirdness. I'm ready for that one as well.

1207
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: By the way, also Chase super Ticket on Nick Fiorre

1208
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: Chase super I think he's I think, well, let me

1209
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: see this fight. If I'm not mistaken. Bc uh This

1210
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: fight is for Chase Hooper at one fifty five. He's

1211
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: looked a little bit bigger of recently. He's obviously fought

1212
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: as usually fights at featherweight, so he's trying to think

1213
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: go up a weight class here, and you know he's

1214
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: kind of filling out. I'm he had a lot of

1215
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: momentum coming off the Early Contender series. You know, he's

1216
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 2: had some stumbles in the UFC. Nice kid, very smart kid,

1217
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: very young kid as well. I'm hoping he can start

1218
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: to get right here. We shall see.

1219
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: I like that kid. And I remember when UFCPR mailed

1220
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: out that jar of M and m's that had his

1221
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: face on it. Luke, do you remember that?

1222
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, here's to.

1223
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: That because he didn't move his head at all, Luke.

1224
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: If he can move his head off the center line

1225
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and work on that jab because he's willing to fight

1226
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: to set up the submissions, he's willing to But.

1227
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean he's he's he has all the

1228
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: grit in the world. He's got very good submission skills.

1229
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: But they put him in the UFC really really young.

1230
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: We talked about we talked about Rosas Junior. I'm not

1231
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: saying those situations will be identical. That's not at all

1232
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But you just would have seen Chase

1233
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: super I think is super talented, but probably could have

1234
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: used a bit of a slower roll up front. Hopefully

1235
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: now he can get his footing and as he is,

1236
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: he ages.

1237
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: There's just a cruel Raul Rosas meme going around involving speech, Luke,

1238
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: that I did not appreciate seeing. Thank you very much.

1239
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to topics number three. It's fight announcements, Luke.

1240
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: And how about this report? This feels like a biggie

1241
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: folks the bantamweight division that we all love report from

1242
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: at Judo Better nine nine to five and confirmed later

1243
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: by Ariel Hawani, the UFC is targeting Corey Sanhagen versus

1244
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: Umartner Maga metof Wow, Luke, I gotta look at the

1245
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: rankings to see where we're at for this one. Luke,

1246
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: your reaction to a rate great fight, I.

1247
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: Mean, what is there to dislike about that fight? What

1248
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: could you possibly say, well, I wanted to see Corey

1249
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: in this one or Umar and that one. Okay, I

1250
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: mean maybe you have a personal wish list of which

1251
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: way you would have seen either guy. Go but just

1252
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: in terms of a fight fan like what we're asking

1253
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: promoters to do. You know, we bag on the UFC.

1254
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: We backed the USC in a lot this week. Dude,

1255
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: they're they're I mean, I mean, yes, they're just giving

1256
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: you a You cannot complain about it. You cannot complain

1257
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: about that contest a very tough one in either direction,

1258
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: A huge opportunity for nimber Goa Madoff, and frankly, I

1259
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: would also say for Corey Sanhagen the kind of challenges

1260
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: that nimber Goa Madov offers both as a striker and

1261
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: as a very tough wrestler grappler himself. Man, he'd be

1262
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: answering any lingering doubts that anyone would have with him

1263
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: over that. Like that's if that's not titleshot worthy beating

1264
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: a guy like that, then really nothing is. But nimber

1265
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: Gamaydoff could zoom up the rankings with a win over Sandhagen.

1266
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: What a fight? Yes, please?

1267
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: This will be the fifth UFC contest for Nermaka met Off.

1268
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: The twenty seven year old Luke is sixteen and all one,

1269
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: all four UFC bouts, three by stoppage. We had said

1270
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: for a while that he was like not ranked high enough.

1271
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Speaker 1: He's number eleven against the number four san Haagen. They

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01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: are correcting that error and giving him a chance right

1273
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: here to catapult into the title picture. They've said it

1274
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Luke, the hard cores that know far

1275
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: more than my white belt that when you talk about

1276
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: the Abnwalmann app, Normoga met Off coaching tree and the

1277
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: great fighters that have come out of Dagistan there and

1278
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: the Nirmaga Medoff family, that Umar might be the best. Luke,

1279
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: And I'm I was rewatching some mah Chev fights in

1280
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: the last two days and that's saying a lot, Luke. Okay,

1281
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: watch Abib. That's saying a lot. Well, that's a lot

1282
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: to live up for. I mean, maybe it could have

1283
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: been the you know, maybe it could have been, could

1284
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: have been, could have.

1285
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: Been it was not going to be, could have been, Luke.

1286
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: Big News UFCU signed a deal with Sydney, Australia to

1287
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: put on a series of fights. This is uh in

1288
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: the succession of thennouncement with Salt Lake City. But Luke,

1289
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: in this case there's gonna be a pay per view

1290
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: I believe in September in Sydney and Dana White himself

1291
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: said we'd love to have Israel Attasania headline it. Luke,

1292
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: the real question is, as Teddy Allis once famously said,

1293
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: against two against who against who, Because Luke, you're gonna

1294
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: tell me maybe the winner of DDP Robert Whittaker, Like

1295
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: Dana once said, what about Hamzap Brother? What about Jamal

1296
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: Hill for the two of five? Belt Bro, are you

1297
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: leaning anywhere?

1298
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: Well? I mean, if you're the UFC and you can

1299
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: make the trilogy fight between Izzy and Robert Whittaker in

1300
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: Robert Whittakers By the way, Whittaker isn't just from Australia

1301
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: as I understand it, he lives in Sydney. So you're

1302
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: taking a pay per view to Robert Whittaker's hometown and

1303
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: you're not putting Robert Whittaker on it in a trilogy

1304
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: about potentially with Izzy. I mean that seems like, to

1305
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: borrow my old phrase, promotional malpractice BC. Nowse it doesn't

1306
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: matter if Driggens duple see wins at UFC two ninety.

1307
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: Here's really what Robert Whittaker is up against if they

1308
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: if he wants to be on that card against Izzy,

1309
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: in that fight, then he's gotta not only beat driggis

1310
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: duple see, but then turn around in basically two fucking

1311
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: months because that one's gonna be July.

1312
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, Luke, It's not gonna be him. That's what

1313
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you. Okay, it's not gonna be him.

1314
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Could they speed it up for Whittaker? Yes, we just

1315
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: saw they were willing to do Paiania Newness three for

1316
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: absolutely no reason. They make more rematches as a as

1317
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: a promoter than I do, Luke. But what do you

1318
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: think about those other two options? Because Tamiah versus Izzy

1319
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: is a monster fight.

1320
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, but again in Sydney, what kind of gate

1321
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: they could pull? I mean they could pull, and don't

1322
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: get me wrong, dude, they would kill obviously with Izzy

1323
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: and Hamza, but like with Whittaker as well, I just

1324
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: feel like that would take it in that market, for

1325
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: that gate, for those venues, it would fucking blow it

1326
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: out the frame as they used to.

1327
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Also feel like if they just signed a deal, Luke,

1328
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: they can come back. So I don't believe in the

1329
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: tru Hill, but I have seen people say like that

1330
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: could be like a really fun stay busy, let's sell

1331
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: a lot of tickets. Let's give is he a chance

1332
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: to a second chance to go add Champ Champ to

1333
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: his ledger? Is that do you think they would do that?

1334
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: Is that on the table? And the reason why people

1335
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: think it's on the table is Yuri Prahatska's somewhat slowness

1336
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: of late in getting back, even though it's a rush

1337
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: job from the injury he had.

1338
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I have no clue where the

1339
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: UFC is on that. I mean, I do think is

1340
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: he with that last performance? Maybe you disagree, but probably not.

1341
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: He did take a bit of a star turn. It

1342
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: seemed to me that was such a big moment. It

1343
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: went viral and really enormous ways, and it really showered

1344
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: him with a lot of people, people who are reluctant

1345
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: to give him praise. I think a lot of people

1346
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: came through. So he really leveled up to me. And

1347
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: so maybe he could ride that to another two oh

1348
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: five title shot. I don't know, but I just got

1349
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: a feeling BC they're gonna do every Listen, if Whittaker

1350
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: goes in there and loses to DDP, doesn't matter. But

1351
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: but if he goes in there and let's say, you know,

1352
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: Rich Franklin versus Nate mark Ward. I mean, just fox

1353
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: him up inside of a round, dude, They're gonna turn

1354
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: him around. They're gonna turn him around for Sydney.

1355
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: Or Nate Marquart versus Tyrone Woodley A vicious ko.

1356
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: Luke wait to say Nate mark Wart. I meant, uh,

1357
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: Nate Quarry. Excuse me? Yes, Nate Quarry.

1358
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: Yes you could have said David the Lazzo if you

1359
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: wanted to. But Luke, I want to ask you this

1360
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: is it a realistic turn of events? Because remember when

1361
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: Izz he moved up and fought Yan, we were already

1362
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: setting up the heavyweight championship fight against John Jones to

1363
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: become a three belt champion. Is there a future in

1364
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: which is he beats Jamal Hill for the light heavyweight

1365
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: title this fall and then fights in Australia in succession

1366
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: on pay per view, a trilogy against Robert Whittaker and

1367
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: a trilogy against Poeton for the two oh five.

1368
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: Poeton. First of all, Poeton has to fight Blohovich and

1369
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean all these like He's like, dude, if if listen,

1370
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: if if ten models showed up to your front door

1371
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 2: and they all turk turn took turns blowing you would

1372
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: it be the best day of your life? And it's

1373
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: like and it's like, well yeah, but like that's not

1374
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: gonna happen, dude, So I mean, what are we saying

1375
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: that for?

1376
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: All right? Sorry, we can we can. We get back

1377
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: to future champion Kevin Lee. Luke uh, by the way,

1378
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: he did want to shout out as always Keith Lee,

1379
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: former Belator fighter who has made such a big turnaround

1380
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: as a food not really food critic, more of a

1381
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: savior to a lot of local businesses and stuff. Luke,

1382
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: Keith Lee is everywhere right now. You know this is

1383
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Like, dude.

1384
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: Keith Lee signed. I mean, I'm I'm I'm only aware

1385
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,959
Speaker 2: of this deal, but I'm guessing it's not his only

1386
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 2: one he had a deal for like his own kind

1387
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: of I think, like chicken quesadilla at Chipotle, Like he

1388
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: got shitting me, dude, he is killing it.

1389
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: Indeed, let's see if his brother can come back and

1390
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: kill it. We know he resigned with the UFC after

1391
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: that Eagle FC excursion July first in Las Veaga. Guess

1392
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: how about Kevin Lee versus rena fuck rehtt Dianov. That's

1393
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: decent That's that's close. Luke, that's good.

1394
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean I think you know that's not you know,

1395
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: if we're playing cornhole, that's like you know, the bag

1396
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: hit the board. At least you know you you got

1397
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: kind of close.

1398
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: This movie at all.

1399
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, y'all leave Kevin Lee the fuck alone? Will

1400
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 2: you please? Did you see his tweet yesterday? No? It

1401
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: was it, dude, all it was was yo. Fuck everyone

1402
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: in my mentions right now because all of the news

1403
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: sites had reported he was fighting this guy. And here

1404
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: is what everyone has said. Oh wow, Kevin came back

1405
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: against this dude, some Russian hammer. He's gonna kick Kevin's ass.

1406
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Poor Kevin Lee. He's a lamb being let the slaughter

1407
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: l O L. You know, every kind of writing the

1408
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 2: guy off, disparage and think and then fucking tagging him

1409
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: in it. Will you please leave Kevin Lee alone? Listen?

1410
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: Is it a tough fight to come back to? Absolutely?

1411
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: This guy for for Kretdanov is a he's a hammer.

1412
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: He's really really good. His two fights in UFC have

1413
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 2: been decisions. He hasn't quite looked like the destroyer that

1414
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: he was on the regional scene when he was putting

1415
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 2: guys away like Eric Spiceley inside of a round. But

1416
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, in general, the skill set seems to be

1417
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: quite there, so you know it's a tough fight. But BC,

1418
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, Kevin Lee has always impressed you in me

1419
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: in ways that maybe the rest of the audience doesn't see,

1420
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: and there's been times we've had to eat crow. I

1421
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: am still not ready to say this is not a

1422
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: fight he can't win. I do believe he can.

1423
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say. I am still not

1424
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: ready to say that he's not future champion Kevin Lee.

1425
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see Luke. I mean, you know

1426
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: he ononce sent Gregor Gillespie on a one way trip

1427
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: to Hell Luke with a KO of the Year nominee. Yeah,

1428
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: that happened once. So let's see if he can get

1429
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: back to those ways with that back of the skull tattoo.

1430
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: That is aggressive as shit, Luke. Paul Craig, who's aggressive

1431
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: in other areas involving jiu jitsu and women.

1432
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, pret sex, Yeah we're kidding.

1433
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: Paul Craig is gonna make that UFC Middleway debut, and

1434
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: by the way, it's gonna come in London July twenty second.

1435
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,919
Speaker 1: I like it, Andre, munize your thoughts.

1436
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: Love it to grappler versus grappler, but very different kinds.

1437
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: So are they gonna strike it out? Is it gonna

1438
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: be weird? Is Paul Craig gonna pull guard house? He

1439
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: gonna look at Middleway? All kinds of weird ones where

1440
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: I think muonyies or moonees should win. But that one

1441
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: could be all kinds of fun before it comes to

1442
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: a close.

1443
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: Indeed, are you moved at all on that same night

1444
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 1: by Brian Barberina against Mack mood.

1445
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: Mirrodov Not heavily, Not heavily.

1446
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: Okay, PFL, Luke. The smartest cage around still figuring out

1447
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: the details of the Francis deal is the cage at

1448
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: the moment.

1449
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: By the way, I have an interview with pfl's CEO,

1450
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 2: Peter Murray on Monday, and I'm gonna ask him what

1451
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: about that fucking cage? Is smart?

1452
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: Dude, You dude, you better go deep on that cage.

1453
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: At least five questions on the cage.

1454
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 2: All right, All right, yeah, okay.

1455
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: Luke, here's the deal. PFL five is June sixteenth, Ante

1456
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: Delija versus Maurice Green and a crowcheing heavyweight main event.

1457
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: Larisa Pachiko, who had defeated Kayla Harrison on their trilogy

1458
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: about to win the championship last year by upset, is

1459
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: going to take on amber LeBrock. You got Irock, Librock, Biazuo,

1460
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: Ali Walsh, the grandson of the Greatest, is gonna fight

1461
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: aspen lad back against Carolina Sobek. Names you know kind

1462
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: of throughout the rest of that card. And also PFL

1463
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: six is one week later June twenty third, defending champion

1464
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: Olivier Oban Mercier against Anthony Romero. Also welterweight champion Sadabusi

1465
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: against Shane Mitchell. Shane Burgos is back against Yamato Nishikawa,

1466
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: Clay Collard and Stevie Ray.

1467
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: Will be a brawl that's a fun one. That's a

1468
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: fun one.

1469
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: Do you care a lot because that same night, June

1470
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty third, Cedric Doombay is going to make his debut

1471
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: against Hira Al Solawi.

1472
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the Cedric Doombay debut makes that must watch.

1473
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of names that have come through

1474
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 2: the PFL system, Clay Collard, Mega Med Karamov, Natan Schultz,

1475
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, Houseman fio. I could you know you mentioned

1476
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: it'sade bus. There's a lot of them on there. These

1477
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: are fine fights, These are fine fights. But it's like, dude,

1478
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: people are like, why would PFL. But I've seen to

1479
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: be like, this is Signing Francis is a bad deal

1480
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: for PFL. Motherfucker, dude, do you not understand now why

1481
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: they signed Francis. These fighters are not what we are

1482
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: not disrespecting them as talents, but these are not people. Uh,

1483
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: and these are not matchups that history has shown is

1484
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: in any way going to get you television ratings or

1485
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 2: is in anyway going to get you a big gate return.

1486
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 2: It's that this doesn't exist on this side of the aisle.

1487
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: You might get quality MMA, actually, BC like you do

1488
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 2: get that. You get some quality MMA. And if you're

1489
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: into quality MMA, well here you go. You get plenty

1490
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: of it. Shane Burgos was great. I mean, there's lots

1491
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: of good fighters on this card. Please don't misunderstand me,

1492
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: but this is why they try to sign him, is

1493
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 2: because the roster that they have, while respectable as talent,

1494
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: doesn't get them to any place where they're making money

1495
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: at all.

1496
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: When Belatore hit, it's you know, you can argue its

1497
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: biggest point in terms of relevancy and ratings and money

1498
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: and all that was those uh they were on live

1499
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: cable television. Look when you're bringing in legends and you're

1500
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: bringing in Kimbo Slice and you're going in that direction

1501
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: signing Jake Paul and now signing Francis and gan who

1502
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: is also that type of ideal because Bellator also had

1503
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 1: great mma up and down that card. But you gotta

1504
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: you gotta splash the pot to get people to take notice, right,

1505
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: you got you.

1506
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 2: Know, you gotta just It's just as simple as that, dude, Like,

1507
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 2: do you either you get people that will watch because

1508
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: they have a big enough name, or you don't be like, oh,

1509
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: Francis is not a star, dude, Francis is a bigger star,

1510
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: then basically I'm b see and what way am I?

1511
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: What I'm about to say is wrong. Francis and Ganu

1512
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: is a bigger star, however limited you think that might

1513
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: be than everyone else, not Jake Paul, everyone else on

1514
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: the PFL roster combined for.

1515
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: Randy Couture and also Luke Thomas. Are you prepared when

1516
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: Alistair over Him comes in for a rematch for Gano's

1517
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: pay per view debut on PFL or not.

1518
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: I've seen people mention the Uber Eam angle that might happen,

1519
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: the dum angle might happen. Some people have said, what

1520
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 2: about Rico Verehooven. I don't think you can do that

1521
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: on paper view?

1522
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, we need to sell here. Yeah, I don't

1523
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: need fad or though, we don't need fad or.

1524
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm past fad.

1525
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: How about defending Belach or heavyweight champion Ryan Vader. I'd

1526
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: be down for that if somebody.

1527
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: That's not I mean has a pay per view No.

1528
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a good point, all right.

1529
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: If you're gonna put up two million dollars persons for opponents,

1530
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 2: you need to sign one of the UFC guy, as

1531
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: simple as that dude period.

1532
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: Maybe Derek Lewis if he keeps losing, but watch he'll

1533
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: he'll sign an eight fight deal out of nowhere, coming

1534
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: up right and be like, oh Derek is back, great,

1535
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: uh luke. Every Friday we go a head to add

1536
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: five bets a piece, and the goal here is to

1537
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: embarrass each other and ourselves, probably by our under five

1538
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: hundred performing records or at least me. And the end

1539
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: goal Luke is to whur's the other one to go

1540
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: to a concert with dock cameras that he doesn't want

1541
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: to be And I'm not I'm not against by the way,

1542
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: picking as the rock concert. If I win one of

1543
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: those shack Majury MAJORI raves where he dresses up like

1544
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: a cow and like holds light sticks and stuff. Luke,

1545
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: that could be I would waste my pick for that

1546
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: any day, to see you, to see you just die

1547
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: in that, Luke.

1548
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have fun of the Dying Fetus show,

1549
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: So get ready.

1550
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well here's the intro, Luke. It's called

1551
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: okay bet only we don't hear the ching ching two

1552
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: off in Luke. Last week you wow? Last week you

1553
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: sucked the horn? Luke.

1554
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: One in four, Well, well I should be two and three,

1555
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: but I fucked it up a little bit in the

1556
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: way I said it. So it is one.

1557
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah you did? How about your boy BC four in

1558
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: one last week? So here is the updated stay I

1559
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: would like.

1560
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: I like how you went four and one and your

1561
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: record is still absolute feces.

1562
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: I want to put on like a full screen of

1563
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: our picks and what we got right and wrong. Maybe

1564
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: that's too much work. I don't know. But Luke, here

1565
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: we go the updated standings. As you see, thirty three,

1566
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: thirty and one. Luke in first place. I'm about seven

1567
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: ish games back at twenty six and thirty eight. Not

1568
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: as bad as it was a week ago. Luke. Let's

1569
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: see what we got this week as the defending champion,

1570
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: the raining and defending Are you going first or second?

1571
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: Uh? I'll go for Stuggle first.

1572
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay, main event. There's kind of two big ones this week, Luke.

1573
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: Which one you're going with? And who are you picking?

1574
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this before the show. We usually

1575
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: like to do the same main event, but because it's

1576
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: kind of weird and we've been picking the same ones

1577
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: over and over again, we decide to do different ones.

1578
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with the UFC main event BC again.

1579
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: Under most circumstances, I definitely would have picked mackenzie Dern.

1580
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Angela Hill And I know that's crazy.

1581
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: I know, Lota function can say. Ah, listen, listen if

1582
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: McKenzie Dern goes in there, grabs a wrist, pulls guard

1583
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 2: and gets to mount or the back and then chokes

1584
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: are out inside of a round. Is anyone gonna be like, Oh,

1585
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. Yeah, of course, of course,

1586
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm taking a bit of a flyer on Hill. I

1587
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: do believe in her upside when she can get her volume.

1588
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: Cooking Fi Metric says she's a little bit hard to

1589
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: hold down. She gets up pretty good. She doesn't spend

1590
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: a lot of time in control positions, and with all

1591
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: the distractions that Hern excuse me, Dern has, maybe I

1592
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: might add up to something. I'm gonna take a bit

1593
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: of a flyer here on the underdog in Angela Hill.

1594
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna be wrong on that, Luke, And I'm

1595
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna continue to win on mine. And I love Angela Hill,

1596
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think she has the UBL because what

1597
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: you what your stats don't tell you is there's levels

1598
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: in this game. And I still think during, while not

1599
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: a complete product, as I said on Wednesday, is more angling,

1600
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: more toward the top level. Those are the people that

1601
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: beat Angela Hill. We'll see some people do their best art, Luke,

1602
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: when they're going through disruption and hell, you know what

1603
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Like a great divorce record like that's in

1604
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: rock music. That's the best time, Luke let's see if

1605
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: that is the same.

1606
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: That's what I did my most drinking, so that didn't

1607
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: only work for me.

1608
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1609
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. My main pick is on the boxing side, and

1610
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 1: it's the ESPN Plus pay per view Saturday and Luke,

1611
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm going with the dream Devin Haney, the youth. He's

1612
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: not only gonna be a problem physically. I don't necessarily

1613
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: mean we're gonna see a Necessarily it would be a

1614
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: smart move by Hani to show some physicality. I don't

1615
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see that though, because he is too

1616
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: clean and technical of a fighter. But he's gonna have

1617
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: to show us the size matters in this, that he's

1618
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 1: the bigger puncher in this, while also establishing that jab

1619
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: this is a lot for Loma to overcome. Could Loma

1620
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: make this an interesting twelve round fight where you go

1621
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: to the decision and go, you know what, maybe one

1622
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: of these judge has it for him. Yeah, Loma's that

1623
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: great for a reason. He's going to surge in the

1624
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: second half. People, That's what Loma does, the more he

1625
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: figures you out. And even though Hane is amazing, Hane's

1626
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: not dynamic. Though Hane is fundamentally amazing, Hanne is meeting

1627
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: potatoes amazing. Could Lomachenko win this, He very much could.

1628
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: That's why those odds are close. But I know greatness

1629
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: when I see it. Hane also has it. The other

1630
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: factors leading his direction. Give me Hany by unanimous decision,

1631
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: but you could have an argument that it could go

1632
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: somewhat in the direction of Lomachenko. We'll find out, Luke,

1633
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 1: who's your favorite?

1634
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, For my favorite, I'm gonna go with Anthony Hernandez

1635
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 2: over Edmund Shabazi. And according to our friends at Caesar's,

1636
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 2: he is a well, not a gigantic favorite, but a

1637
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: pretty clear one minus two hundred to Shabazian's plus one

1638
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,879
Speaker 2: seventy b. See, this is a tough fight for Shabazi,

1639
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: and again he's certainly had his ups, he's had his downs,

1640
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: he's had a bit of his rebounds. But Anthony Hernandez,

1641
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, has shown an ability to really overperform against expectations.

1642
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: He can be a dynamite on the feet or the

1643
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: ground he fights, and I think a bit of a

1644
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 2: physical aggressive style, where shabazis a little bit more of

1645
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: a slickster and Hernandez is simply not going to accommodate that.

1646
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, certainly, I you know, listen, I hope Shabazim

1647
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 2: proves me wrong because it would be great to see

1648
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: him get back to a great spot. But I think

1649
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: Hernandez is going to make a difficult for him.

1650
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: Hernandez has won four or five Luke, three of those

1651
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: by submission, so interesting. I like that pick for you.

1652
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: I think that's a good one. I'm gonna go to

1653
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: that Dezgone boxing main event, Katie Taylor moving up to

1654
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: one forty taking on the underspeeded champion Chantel Cameron. Here's

1655
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: the d L Luke. The age here for Katie Taylor.

1656
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: Like one of these days, it's gonna matter. I don't

1657
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: think we're here there yet. I think the fact that

1658
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: the women's game still is ten rounds two minute rounds.

1659
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: As much as we don't like that, I still think

1660
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: this is gonna fall into Taylor's hands. Yes, she's moving

1661
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: up in wait. Yes, Chantal Cameron is unbeaten. But Chantelle's

1662
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: a high volume fighter, very good with her jab really

1663
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: kind of telegraphs a looping right. Yes, she can get

1664
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: into skirmishes in the inside and as the bigger fighter

1665
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: with a three inch height, in reach advantage against a

1666
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: older opponent, we do have to keep that in mind.

1667
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: But look, you're gonna see quick flurries here. The reason

1668
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: why Katie Taylor is so amazing in these crazy two

1669
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: minute rounds against another great fighter, whether it's Serrano, whether

1670
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: it's Delphine Person who she fought twice and I thought

1671
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: that first fight could have been a draw, is she'll

1672
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: match you in volume and aggressiveness, but she's also got

1673
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: better technique, she's got better combinations. I mean, look, the

1674
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: more I'm learning about Katie Taylor from watching the you know,

1675
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: the documentaries that they do about her ahead of fights

1676
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: and whatever. At the end of the day, like I know,

1677
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hero worship here because she does

1678
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: mean so much to Ireland in ways that we don't

1679
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: even understand at times, in the way that we look

1680
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: at us athletes. But she's puts in the work and

1681
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, Serano like gave her the knockout

1682
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: type punches and she fought through that and bit down

1683
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: and got her legs back under her. Pursuing was all

1684
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: over her in that first fight, and she figured out

1685
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: a way to get her offense off and deal with

1686
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: being rocked, and you know, I think that she's still

1687
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: got too much dog in her and the fact that

1688
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 1: we're in Ireland and this is going to be the homecoming,

1689
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: which I get, you can go maybe this is the

1690
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: trap fight. She's older, she's at home, there's a lot

1691
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: of pressure. Luke Katie Taylor seems to only live and

1692
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: I say this is the compliment, not a jab. She

1693
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: only to please Ireland and give everything she has to

1694
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: this sport that's still tough to be even though she's

1695
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: moving up in way to get an undisputed, unbeaten champion.

1696
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Taylor by decision at minus two ten here,

1697
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna be right. I'm gonna give

1698
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: her this. Let's see what happens in that Serrano rematch though.

1699
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough for my next pick, BC, I think

1700
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: it's a fair one that you make. I'm gonna go

1701
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: for my underdog, and I'm a little bit surprised. I

1702
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 2: guess that he is an underdog, Huh, I am, and

1703
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm not. It's Michael Johnson, but Michael Johnson our friends

1704
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: at Caesars have as a plus one twenty five to

1705
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: Carlos Digo Fahetta at minus one fifty. Now, Digo Fihetta

1706
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: had really had a rebound around the age of thirty

1707
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 2: five or so, really coming into his zone where he

1708
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: could box up at safe distance. He works with fourtis mma.

1709
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: He's a really good black belt on the ground about that,

1710
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 2: there can be no doubt. So like to me, Fahetta

1711
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: has shown more well roundedness and upside in that sense.

1712
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson I think has gotten his feet under him

1713
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: a little bit better as of late. And more to

1714
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 2: the point, Fahita is now thirty eight years old. That's

1715
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: kind of ancient for that division. Even though I do

1716
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: think he's got some skills, so he might make it

1717
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: tough for Johnson. But I think Johnson still got some speed.

1718
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: He definitely uh Fajita is a little bit stationary for

1719
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 2: there to be for him to be hit. I think

1720
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 2: Johnson could pull this one off. It's tight, it's close.

1721
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: This whole card is filled with minus one ten plus

1722
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: one hundred all the way down. But Johnson is my pick.

1723
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: I like him at plus one twenty five to get

1724
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 2: it done.

1725
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 1: I love taking a puncher at low plus money, Luke,

1726
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: I love that any day exactly. Let's let's go to

1727
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: my underdog pick. And you know, I like this fight

1728
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be a wild fight. I like the

1729
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: personalities involved, and that's the Demopolis has taken on Carolina

1730
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Kolevlkeevich at women's strawweight plus one ten on Demopolis. So

1731
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,879
Speaker 1: here's the deal, Luke, you know skill for still historically

1732
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: Carolyn is the better fighter, but she's thirty seven. She

1733
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: did have that five fight losing streak which she could

1734
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: have retired. They could have cut her at any time.

1735
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: To her credit, she's come back gotten great shape, one

1736
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: two in a row. But like she's grinding out these wins,

1737
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: they're not overwhelming me. Here. There is at times a

1738
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: plus part of Demopolis's game where yes she takes damage

1739
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: at times, yes she falls behind in fights, but she

1740
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: does make dramatic change of momentums when it comes to

1741
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: her submission game and the threat she puts on down

1742
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: there at this age, with this situation, Luke, you get

1743
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: into a fighter with Carolina, I think you can get

1744
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: her in a spot where you can catch her off

1745
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: guard and get one. So I'm gonna take the underdog here, Demopolis,

1746
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a sub, Luke,

1747
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,959
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Demopolis by sub.

1748
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 2: Yo, Demopolis by sub all right BC for my over under,

1749
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: this one's pretty easy to call. I think it's the

1750
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 2: biggest disparity on the card in terms of the odds.

1751
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Natalia Silva taking on Victoria Leonardo Silva just seems to

1752
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 2: be a lot more well rounded, a lot more capable,

1753
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: just a lot better overall. I think that this one

1754
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: does not go the distance. Give me Silva inside the distance,

1755
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: but in any case doesn't go the distance.

1756
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: And Luke, since I'm behind, I've got to take easy

1757
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: picks to build this foundation back up to make a

1758
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: run at you over under. You know what will go

1759
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: the distance? Emily Ducatti versus Lupida Godinyaz. Tell me I'm wrong, Luke.

1760
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 2: Hard to say, hard to say, hard to say hard,

1761
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: not that hard, bro No, all right, last, but not

1762
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: least for me, my ko or sub taking a risk here,

1763
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: because is this one? You look at one of these

1764
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, it'll definitely be this, and it

1765
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: ends up being like a wrestle fest, you know. But

1766
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm gonna take a flyer on the

1767
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: idea that Andre Fialio versus Joaquin Buckley ends in KO.

1768
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: You got two guys who like to strike. Buckley is

1769
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 2: a dynamic punching, a power puncher and kicker. Obviously at

1770
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: one eighty five to say nothing of one to seventy,

1771
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: we're gonna assume. So uh yeah, I like that one too.

1772
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 2: Maybe end in KO.

1773
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you got that right. I'll give that. See,

1774
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: I'll concede that point already. You got that. That's a

1775
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: good pick, and I got KO or sub We're gonna

1776
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: go submission. I mean, look, sorry, Mackenzie durned by second

1777
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: round submission. I see it written in the clouds. Okay,

1778
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: that's that's the direction. We're going. Give me dirt. You're

1779
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna let me take derned by missionaire. Luke, come on

1780
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: over five. She got twenty five minutes to make it happen.

1781
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: She's back. Your boy BC is back. I'm coming for

1782
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: you there it is. Thank you very much, Luke. We

1783
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: close with a couple of dead wrongs because we try

1784
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: to be transparent and you know all the things Luke

1785
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: that Dana White won't be. We try to be over here.

1786
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: By the way, Luke, my friend's over at MMAI. They

1787
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: just launched a video breaking down Dana's claims about power

1788
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: slap winning the Internet. So it gets very nerdy. So

1789
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: if you're into that, you know what I mean. If

1790
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: you're into point by point dissection of where Dana may

1791
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: have misled us, then check that out. Luke. We don't

1792
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: always get it right, but we're willing to give you

1793
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: our email addressed Morning Coombat at gmail dot com for

1794
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: you to complain about it if we do get it

1795
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: wrong and it's called did wrong.

1796
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 2: Oh we don't have the animation, Great.

1797
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: We've got mail angry viewers. Okay, no animation today, but

1798
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: there we go, Luke. Let's start with Kevin. At thirteen

1799
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: thirty of episode four to four to two, BC calls

1800
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Francis and Gan who I know I got killed for this?

1801
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: I get it A successful African American man. Well, BC,

1802
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: you're dead wrong because Francis was born in Cameroon, moved

1803
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,919
Speaker 1: to France and only trains and fights out of Las Vegas,

1804
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: making him Camerooney in French. Yes, I guess, Luke. Now

1805
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: I didn't like to say. I didn't say Francis and

1806
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: ganu is an African American. I was saying, why is

1807
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: why are people being so hateful against Francis, not even

1808
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: giving him a chance to win the whole free agency thing?

1809
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: Is it because? I guess I wanted to say, is

1810
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: it because you don't want to see a black man successful?

1811
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: And I think I said African American, Luke, So in

1812
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: that case it would have been wrong. Although Francis is

1813
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: from Africa and lives in America, So isn't that Am

1814
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: I legally binding there, Luke?

1815
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 2: I just think you're racist?

1816
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: All right? Well I might have been dead wrong, and

1817
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: I guess I yes, I was dead wrong, Thank you

1818
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: very much. There you go. Francis is in America, in

1819
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Bretto Komodo's old house, and don't ask him about it,

1820
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: because I had to edit out that awkward answer when

1821
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: I when I was like, did Brett leave me behind

1822
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: any NEWTI mags or anything? And Francis was like, I

1823
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 1: don't talk about this second. I don't know. You know.

1824
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: He was like, shut up. Let's go over to Nick. Luke.

1825
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: I have heard you use this phrase once before in

1826
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: MK and let it slide as a possible misspeak, but

1827
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: you have just said it again on your Enganu signs

1828
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: with PFL reaction video. The phrase in question is the

1829
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: turncard on the river. As an avid poker player, I

1830
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: can no longer let this slide in Texas, hold them.

1831
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: The fourth community card is known as the turncard, and

1832
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the fifth is known as the river card. As such,

1833
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: you do not get a turncard on the river. You

1834
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: get a turncard, and then you get a river card.

1835
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: What you should instead say is we will have to

1836
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: wait to see what the river card brings, or something

1837
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: to that effect. Thanks, it's Nick Dang.

1838
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that I had it explained to me

1839
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: that every card was a turn card and that the

1840
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: fifth card was also well, that the last one was

1841
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,560
Speaker 2: called the river card on top of it. I misunderstood.

1842
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: Fair correction. I'll take that one. I'll take that out

1843
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: all right.

1844
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Somebody in Poker monsterly just died. Doyle Brunson Luke, age

1845
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Are you moved at all? Or you didn't

1846
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: get into that?

1847
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: He died? Right? Is that what you're saying? He died?

1848
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he died. Do you think he's ever paid

1849
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: for sex?

1850
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: Luke? I mean probably right. How many friends do you know?

1851
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm not for effect, Dode, I have like half a

1852
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 2: dozen friends who I know for a fact, all your

1853
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: marine buddies, Luke, No, all the banker friends I have. Dude,

1854
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: those guys are the biggest dirt bags of them all.

1855
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: You do have a trend, Luke, in your life you

1856
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: tend to attack a tract and hang out and make

1857
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: friends with dirt bags. And does that sum up me too?

1858
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, we're not actually friend Look.

1859
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: We don't hang out into that bear bear trap.

1860
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: First job now, b C God, I mean seriously, here,

1861
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: we got one more dead wrong from Jonathan on Friday Show.

1862
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,440
Speaker 1: During Deuce's wild LT, attempting to prove his own machismo,

1863
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: kept yelling we're firemen. We live in the fire, in

1864
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: a reference to Teddy Atlas's rousing speech to Timothy Bradley,

1865
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: which by the way, was in the Manny Pacquiao trilogy.

1866
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Fight LT is a donk. The correct phrase is we

1867
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: have firemen. The heat doesn't bother us. We live in

1868
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 1: the heat. End quote.

1869
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: I like, we live in the fire a little bit better,

1870
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: So fuck you.

1871
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 1: I just redid it all right, there you go, chiggity dig.

1872
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: Gang chiggity bing bing. I do that to Twoki every

1873
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 2: morning when I wake up.

1874
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do it to us all over the studio

1875
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: and then you look, you know, I'll let's say this

1876
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: is because this show is not a show today. It's

1877
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: more of a set up in an intervention. Your public

1878
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: farting is out of control. It's not just like there's

1879
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: public farting among men for comedic purposes. Yes, right in

1880
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: the timing of it. You are just spamming the globe

1881
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: with your absolute bullshit, and I'm sick of it.

1882
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, here's the reality. This is the truth.

1883
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 2: And I mean, okay, here's the real truth. I just

1884
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 2: enjoy spring you guys with my feces. That really is

1885
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: the truth. However, however, however, however, because I had, I got,

1886
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,520
Speaker 2: I got. This is a true story. I got hospitalized,

1887
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, about two years ago anyway, with diverticulitis,

1888
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: the same thing that brockad Brock had, like the worst

1889
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: version possible. I didn't have that, but I had the

1890
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 2: same thing. And it has kind of messed up my

1891
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 2: insights to where I have to eat food and supplements.

1892
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 2: Now that just have your boy running for the kommode.

1893
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it's a dead sprint every every day,

1894
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 2: and so when I have to hold it in on set.

1895
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 2: You know you have to wear my cologne. BC.

1896
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've become your cologne. I smell like yeah,

1897
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: packaged me probably. Hey, Luke, I gotta ask you this

1898
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: because the fans really care and they're a little bit upset.

1899
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: They want to know you guys have promised somethings. So yeah,

1900
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 1: where's the RSD one point zero? And where is the

1901
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: RSD two point zero with Ray Longo?

1902
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Ray Longo one. I'm not entirely sure,

1903
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 2: but I believe that's coming out soon. Mikey can tell us.

1904
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 2: But here's what I can say. Oh yeah, here we go.

1905
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 2: So here are the RSDs, the OG, the Old School

1906
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: RSD with me and BC just talking. I watched it

1907
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: last night. I think you guys are gonna really like it.

1908
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 2: That's Sunday, Sunday that will be up. You can go

1909
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 2: to YouTube dot com, slash or Morning Combat right, that's

1910
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 2: where you're gonna get it. And then Tuesday, Tuesday will

1911
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: be our sit down with Coach of the Universe, Ray Longo,

1912
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 2: long Island's Finest. Both of those will be at eleven

1913
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 2: am in the East Sunday, Old School Tuesday, Ray Longo,

1914
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: We had some great talks too with Ray, you know,

1916
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: from all things, you know, finding morob raising, you know,

1917
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: a trio of world champions and his gym, including al

1918
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Joe right now, you know, preparing for Sahudo. He talked

1919
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 1: a lot about Matt Fravola he and didn't he He

1920
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: questioned how many people Joe DiMaggio probably had sex with too,

1921
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed that portion of the conversation as well. Luke, Okay,

1922
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: so there's that going on. Don't miss at eleven am

1923
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Speaker 1: on both days. Hopefully we won't get fired on the

1924
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: other one. Look, if we're bringing back RSD one point, Oh,

1925
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: do we have to change the name so like it's

1926
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: not confusing to people?

1927
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 2: We might have to. Also, Mikey is reminding us that

1928
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: the big story is that Matt Sarah apparently at one

1929
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 2: point was accused, although legally exonerated, of biting another man's

1930
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 2: ear off.

1931
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a gnarly story.

1932
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Ray Longo tells that story.

1933
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: Maybe for the first time. I think it was like, yeah,

1934
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: it was great. You know, he likes spicy Latin women too, Luke,

1935
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm all in on Ray Longo. That's my guy.

1936
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 2: Now, hard guy to dislike. Very hard guy to dislike.

1937
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: Thank you for Mikey more Miles, CBS Sports on the

1938
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: ones and twos. You know those labels that pay us.

1939
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: You can go to showtime dot com right now to

1940
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: get your thirty day free trial. Why not, right, I think, Luke?

1941
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: You can also you can also bundle it with Paramount

1942
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: Plus as well, So check out look into that. That's

1943
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: gonna be worth it for you right there. But uh,

1944
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: nice comment there from Danger Mouse. Ray Longo been calling

1945
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: out Dana saying al Jo is not signed or agreed

1946
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 1: to anything that. Look, that's a big reason why you

1947
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: said the other day great great on the fight announcements

1948
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: to get the Francis out of the news cycle UFC.

1949
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: But but all them, all them hos here may not

1950
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: be loyal, don't.

1951
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I told did we not call it on

1952
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: the show? Did I not say when we talked about

1953
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 2: those fights? We You can only, dude, you cannot accept

1954
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 2: the words of promoters at face value. You just can't.

1955
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 2: You cannot do it.

1956
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, there it is right there. Look,

1957
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: do you want to shout out any of our great

1958
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: viewers and thank them this week or not? You're not

1959
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: into that you're not really into that, why don't you?

1960
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 2: I mean, what, dude, why are you pitting me against

1961
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: them like you're the fucking fan whisperer. You're not the

1962
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 2: fan whisperer. You just like giving milk to stray cats. Motherfucker.

1963
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 2: There's a big difference between those two. Just so you

1964
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: know you're not the liaison for me as why every

1965
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 2: cat deserves a good home.

1966
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: Luke in a warm meal. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1967
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 2: I skips and bits on a Friday.

1968
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Luke, do the work so you don't miss, Luke other

1969
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: people's magic. Okay, you know there's some magic in the picquettes, Luke.

1970
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: These are nice people. These are wholesome.

1971
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 2: They're very very they're very nice people. I did see

1972
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 2: them in London. They're very very nice.

1973
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Right, Will and Jen? Wellness check you're still out there

1974
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Get that RV back on the road.

1975
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

1976
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they still listen. Luke. You know,

1977
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: we're like UFC. We just keep birthing new generations of

1978
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: fans and the other ones walk away dejected and angry. Right.

1979
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: That sounds about right, Actually, yes, it sounds.

1980
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, speaking of that, let's wrap it up.

1981
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend, folks. I believe, I believe I will

1982
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: be having a morning combat instant reaction Saturday night after

1983
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: all things Hainy Lomachenko. I don't even care if only

1984
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: seven people watch it. Those seven people are gonna get

1985
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: that and get what they deserve. Luke right, hand over fist,

1986
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Right, yeah, yeah, that's

1987
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: the deal. Okay, that's Luke Thomas right there. He's fantastic.

1988
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,919
Speaker 1: My name is Brian Campbell. Thank you, like and subscribe

1989
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Take care of this upstairs, all right, folks,

1990
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: put this first. The rest will take care of itself.

1991
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: We love you. We're out of here. Thank you. The hose,

1992
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna do right? What are

1993
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: you gonna do right? You know,