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Speaker 1: It is a celebration. We finally got what we asked for.

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Speaker 1: Larry Scott is gone from the Pack twelve and we

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Speaker 1: Who should be the next Pack twelve commissioner and how

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Speaker 1: should they divvy up the job and also what's up

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Speaker 1: with the media contracts. I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph

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Speaker 1: Ampston and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. The Pack

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Speaker 1: And we are not gonna sugarcoat things. We keep it

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Speaker 1: amas and and we will absolutely get back to you. So, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: we heard the news about Mike Michael Larry Scott, Larry

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Speaker 1: I just laughed, I I just laughed. What else can

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Speaker 1: an eventful day, uh we had and that wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only president that got replaced. And so you know, I

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Speaker 1: and to have that come crossed the phone was just like,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I was more just absorbing the joy

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Speaker 1: that their boss has getting caned. And I underestimated it

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Speaker 1: and none of them said which words Ralph uh, bummer dude.

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Speaker 1: So so the news. When I heard the news, it

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Speaker 1: all your dreams come come true? So that's interesting. That's

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Speaker 1: saying that he was very much looking forward to his

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Speaker 1: not he was and and he was like, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: what was Larry Scott's biggest crime as commissioner? Oof? That

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Speaker 1: that's subjective. Um, that's very subjective because working in sports media,

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Speaker 1: And like, that's bad enough, but then the way you

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, that officiating issue prevented Washington State

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Speaker 1: I remembering that correctly? That that that year, if Washington

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Speaker 1: reason for that is there was absolutely no tradition. Games

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Speaker 1: Crow included, thinks that anybody will think back on his

434
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: tenure as anything other than falling short of the mark,

435
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: they are sorely mistaken. Oh, they you had a couple

436
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: of people, a guy on Twitter told told me it

437
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: was like, well, he did bring more money into the

438
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: conference than they had ever seen. Well, yes, well anybody

439
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: who negotiated a new deal was going to do that.

440
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: The issue is that is that there was no foresight,

441
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: Like why would you agree for all of your the

442
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: majority of your games on ESPN to be it shitty times?

443
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: Oh it's simple, George. If your family needed water to

444
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: live and there was a river bank that you had

445
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: to march down to in order to scoop up that

446
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: water to bring back to your family, you have four

447
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: conferences that are taking a five gallon jug and one

448
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: that's bringing a thimble. That's what you have. So like

449
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: the water is just there, it's it's available for everyone.

450
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: You have one conference commissioner who is going to the

451
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: water the same as everybody else and coming back with less.

452
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're getting water, but look what everybody else

453
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: is doing. And it's not like he couldn't have picked

454
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: up a joke either. Facts too. There's nothing to argue

455
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: about there. It's a loser move. He did the bare minimum.

456
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: Like they're like, there's nobody I don't even understand how anybody. Well,

457
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: actually there was one person, because you said you did

458
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: your Google search about Larry Scott did a good job

459
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: and there was only one tweet found in nine years,

460
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: but the next morning you wake up and there was

461
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: and and here goes another one. Yeah, I made a

462
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: joke about how I did a Twitter search for the phrase,

463
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: the exact phrase, Larry Scott did a good job, and

464
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: the only tweet that I could find was from shoot

465
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven and it had to do with some

466
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: negotiations with NBC that nevery that that ultimately ended up

467
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: turning out bad if I if I remember correctly, um

468
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: and so and so UM. After making that joke, I

469
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: wake up this morning and Michael Crow, the President of

470
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Arizona State, at nine this morning writes, Larry Scott has

471
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: done a great job bringing the Pack twelve into the

472
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: twenty one century uh and has built a great foundation

473
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: for taking the conference forward. We wish Larry all the

474
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: best in his next ventures. And that made me snap.

475
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: I quote tweeted him with some nonsense and then people

476
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: jumped into his mentions and it is fully uh, every

477
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: it is negative. We're talking to like fifty six replies

478
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: to the President of Arizona State. Um. And then my

479
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: favorite of them was from someone named Tommy Swans and

480
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: it just said he was dogshit Mike and that that,

481
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: but he wants to This is where we get into

482
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: the political lane, right, which is one of my problems

483
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: with politicians a lot of times, is that the idea

484
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: that you want to protect the person in your party

485
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: or the person that you were who you laid down with,

486
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: instead of just calling a spade a spade and wrong,

487
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: wrong you. He my Michael Crowe, president of Arizona State.

488
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: He just didn't even need to say anything. It's like

489
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: one of those tweets. Nobody, nobody ever, Michael Crowe. You

490
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: played you played professional football. You know the difference between

491
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: the way a GM and a head coach treat a

492
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: first round pick in the fifth round pick, and it

493
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: is as transparent as a jellyfish. What Michael Crow was

494
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: doing here. He was trying to give some credit to

495
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: his first round pick. But his first round pick is

496
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. His ask needs to be cut loose, and

497
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: you have to be able to say, uh, you're you're right,

498
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: we're we're ready to to do something new. But no,

499
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Michael Crow was the one who stood in the way.

500
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Michael Crow mocked people who didn't think Larry Scott was

501
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: right for the job. Consistently any time it was brought

502
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: up for the last few years mocked them. Now he

503
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: is in the extreme minority, and he ventured out to

504
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: say something positive about something someone that literally no one

505
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: with any object and I've reached the point where I'm

506
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: beyond objectivity, so I won't include myself in this. But literally,

507
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: no one with any objective sense and any ability to

508
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: take a comparative analysis of the major conferences all across

509
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: the country would agree that Larry Scott did a great

510
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: job bringing the Pack twelve into the twenty one century.

511
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: No one would agree with that. So what Michael Crowe

512
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: is telling you is you're wrong. You are not smart

513
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: enough to see it the way he sees it. And

514
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just being oversensitive, but that's the way I'm

515
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: receiving it is he is Michael crow and his repeated

516
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: defense as is saying you're just not smart enough to

517
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: see the big picture. And so I take that as

518
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: what you're calling me dumb. Well guess what, then, We're

519
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: all done, All of us are done. Yeah, this And

520
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: this isn't a food opinion, Michael. It's not like one

521
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: person likes pickles and three thousand people don't like pickles,

522
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: and it's a matter of taste. It's three thousand people

523
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: don't like having less than everybody else when the mistakes

524
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: that he makes are so obvious, and his litany of

525
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: errors are easily recitable as the A. B. C's And

526
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you don't seem to feel the same way. You're in

527
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the wrong. You're objectively incorrect, Michael Crowe. There's nothing to

528
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: disagree with their buddy. There is nothing to disagree with

529
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: there with you there um, I would say, all right.

530
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: So I was a little bit surprised because I have

531
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: been concerned whether they were gonna off him or not.

532
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: But the fact that they bit the bullet and are

533
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: going to pay the potentially five point five million dollars,

534
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: it just showed I think the urgency in the move

535
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: needing to be made because the new commissioner is going

536
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: to need to be creative, passionate and understand that football

537
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: is king. Stop trying to pacify everybody else. No, you

538
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: get football right first, and then you figure out everything

539
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: else for everybody else. So some of the names that

540
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: we've heard kind of thrown around are Ray Anderson from

541
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: the athletic director at Arizona State. But then he'll he'll

542
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: hire herm efforts to be a second in command UM,

543
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: Greg Byrne, Jill Cohen, the athletic director at Washington, Rob Mullins,

544
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: athletic director at Oregon, or Rick new heizel UM, which

545
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: which I thought was an interesting one. So out of

546
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: those five names, who would you lean towards initially? Like

547
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: who who would be your first phone call? Because obviously

548
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: it matters what they say and how they interview and

549
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: all that, But who would your first phone call be too?

550
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: My first phone call would be to Alabama athletic director

551
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: Greg Byrne to tell him no, thank you, you're not

552
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: being considered that That's that would be my first phone call.

553
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people say that you would

554
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: do a really good Arizona. He was a Arizona and

555
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: there were several several several scandals left in his wake

556
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: when he UM, and none that he had any direct

557
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: involvement with. But ultimately, when you're the head of an

558
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: athletic department, it all falls at your feet, and he

559
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: had an issue. He had a massive issue with a

560
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: couple of weirdos suing. Josh pastern Act, the former UM

561
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: basketball coach who ultimately, I think ended up at Memphis

562
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: over some super google that very weird stuff rich Rod's

563
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: affair and him getting sued uh and the whole like

564
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: culture of uh nonsense that was going on with the

565
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: football program. And then you don't even want to know

566
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: what was going on in their track program because it

567
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: was legitimately criminal. And yeah, you don't need what I'm

568
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: saying is bringing him in. That's what we would all

569
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: be talking about. We would all be talking about the

570
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: fact that he never faced the music with anything that

571
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: he that that was going on UM at University of

572
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: Arizona on his watch, And ultimately he's at Alabama anyway

573
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: right now he can be out there celebrating national championships.

574
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: He's he's fine, So I would ignore him. Of the

575
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: other four names that you brought up, probably the most

576
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: interesting one to me is somebody who has always been

577
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: open to the idea of change, and that's Ms Cohen

578
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: from from from Washington. She seems like she has always

579
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: been UM, at least in recognition that they're needed to

580
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: be UM, there needed to be some moves made. Now

581
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: does that mean that she would be the best negotiator?

582
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know. That to be true. I don't

583
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: think that having a figurehead and Rick new heisl would

584
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: be would be UM much better. You don't know what

585
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: his You know, he can negotiate office fantasy football pools

586
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, but you you can't, uh, you can't.

587
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: Look it's it's weird. The Ray andersonthing is weird because

588
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: that would seem to be a natural progression. But he

589
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: was also somebody who was around Larry Scott a bunch.

590
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were grooming him. Seemed like he

591
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: never really had any opposition to anything that Larry Scott

592
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: was doing. I don't want a yes man in that job.

593
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody who thought anything Larry Scott was

594
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: doing was in any way helpful anywhere near that job.

595
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: I think we might need an outsider like who because see, see,

596
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: here's the here's the thing that I am concerned about.

597
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Because you need a professional. Obviously, you need somebody who um,

598
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: But most of all, you need somebody who is smart

599
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: enough to know what they don't know, and smart enough

600
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: to put competent people in the positions that they need

601
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: to be in. Like that is that's the thing that

602
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I want. I want somebody who says, all right, look,

603
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know everything, so guess what that means. I

604
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: am going to uh get people who do so and

605
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: then and then I'm going to prioritize football above everything else,

606
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: everything else. Okay, would you here's the question. I don't

607
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: think he would be into it, but it's definitely one

608
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: of the first phone calls that I personally would make.

609
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: I would call John Skipper and and Dan Lebotard because

610
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: they're launching their whole Metal Lark media thing, and I

611
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: would say, do you want, like, do you want to

612
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: also bring the Pack twelve with you? Like? Do you

613
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: want that to be the cornerstone of your new media company?

614
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: M hm. So I think that's what my first call

615
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: would be to John Skipper. He ran ESPN, he knows

616
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: absolutely everybody, and he has Dan Lebotard with him, UM,

617
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: who I think is reinvigorated and ready to try something new.

618
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: And Dan Lebotard is nothing if not all about the

619
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: athletes and all about the entertainment value. UM. I would

620
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: reach out to those two and say, what can we

621
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: do to be a part of what you are doing,

622
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: including part ownership of the PAC twelve moving forward and

623
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: profits profit share from whatever you're able to negotiate with

624
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: major networks as well as the ability to take everything

625
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: that the PAC twelve network has been and all of

626
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: its resources UH to help grow your metal Arc Media

627
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: company as well. Yeah, okay, do you blew any other

628
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: suggestion I had out of the water because I was

629
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: thinking about people, and you're actually doing what the person

630
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: who needs to be the commissioner needs to do, which

631
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: is thinking outside of the box, doing the right things,

632
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: making quick and good decisions that aren't just stand alone.

633
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: What about me? Hire me? God damn it, dud dude,

634
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I would not be opposed. I would not be opposed

635
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: big because I can't do worse. I cannot, And you

636
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: would be cheaper and you would hire the right people, Like,

637
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. You would hire good people

638
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: to be around you. So I am not mad at that. Um.

639
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: The other thing, though, is that Larry Scott's bad job

640
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: just cost Washington their defensive coordinator, Pete k Kowski. I

641
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: think that's how you pronounce his name, Pete qu quit task.

642
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: Well we'll say quit since that's what he did. Yeah,

643
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: so he's getting at least a fifty raise to go

644
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: to Texas, and when you look at the amount of

645
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: coordinators in the pack twelve that are making over a

646
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: million dollars. How many is that one that was that

647
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Speaker 1: was him? Correct him? Yeah yeah, and he was the

648
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Speaker 1: only one. So and the SEC is like Tan or

649
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Speaker 1: something like that, Tan and eleven. They have a three

650
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Speaker 1: million dollar coordinator this year, the SEC does, I think, Well, no,

651
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Speaker 1: well they he's now the head coach of Texas Okay,

652
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Speaker 1: yeah it s yeah, it was sark so but they

653
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Speaker 1: have a bunch of you know, they had two million

654
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Speaker 1: in steel but he just got got fired too. Um,

655
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Speaker 1: and he's a Tennessee now. But but still they're willing

656
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: to pay their coaches. So Washington let their DC go way.

657
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: They didn't let him go. He walked out the door

658
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Speaker 1: for a lateral job. I mean, it's not like he

659
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: left Oregon State had a program at a program where

660
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Speaker 1: I mean he putting out pros. Yeah, they're they're putting

661
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: out pros. He could have easily hung on and got

662
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a head coaching job, probably from the effort that he's

663
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: put in at University of Washington. Um, I'm surprised he

664
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Speaker 1: wasn't considered this year to go to a school that

665
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: has not been good. Yeah, and he has to deal

666
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: with Lincoln Riley. Now, yeah, and and so his idea was, oh,

667
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: I can go to Texas and then that will give

668
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: me a better First of all, I can make more money,

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Speaker 1: and that'll like maybe double my my salary or close

670
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Speaker 1: to it, and then I can get a better job.

671
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Speaker 1: Or is it that he potentially thinks that Washington's a

672
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Speaker 1: sinking ship with Uh? Maybe maybe he doesn't believe in

673
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: um and and Jimmy Lake either. I mean, which which

674
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Speaker 1: do you think is more likely? Uh? I mean he's

675
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: taking what's his background? I mean, did he did he

676
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: come up under Stark? Is there some there? Obviously the

677
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: money is important living in Texas, in Austin, Texas, in

678
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: that bad Seattle is fantastic. But um, you're You're much

679
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: more likely if this pandemic continues into eternity, to see

680
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: Big twelve playing football games than you are the the

681
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Pac twelve. Um. So I don't know. I mean, Todd

682
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: Orlando was making one point seven under Tom Herman there,

683
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: so you have to assume that doubling your salary is

684
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: reason enough. Yeah. But dude, okay, So yeah, he was

685
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: with coach Pete for a while, so he was with

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Speaker 1: coach pete Um at Boise State. He was at so

687
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: he was the Boise State actually, so first he started

688
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: so he played at Boise. Yeah, he played at Boise State,

689
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: and then he went to go be a dB i'll

690
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: high linebacker coach, then Snow College, Eastern Washington, Montana State,

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Speaker 1: Boise State d line Boise State d C, Washington d C.

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Speaker 1: And then the Code d C when he he voluntarily

693
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: allegedly took a step back the way Jimmy Lake wouldn't leave.

694
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Speaker 1: And then Jimmy Lake gets the head coaching job, and

695
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: then he's the defensive coordinator, and now he's the defensive

696
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Speaker 1: coordinator of Texas. I think that's probably I think that

697
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Speaker 1: there's maybe look at it that way. Man, you end

698
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: up working for somebody who used to work for you

699
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: after you've held the same position under the same guy

700
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Speaker 1: for ten seasons, and and the retirement might have been

701
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: kind of a surprise. So you you couple that with

702
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: the money, and I think it makes plenty of sense.

703
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he maybe he doesn't want to be a head coach.

704
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he knows his stuff and he's really good at

705
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: his stuff, and he's just ready for a um for

706
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: a for a new challenge and to come up financially.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but your your overarching point is that if

708
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Speaker 1: the Pac twelve wanted to afford to keep him, they couldn't. Yep, yeah,

709
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: they literally couldn't. And that's and you look at Jed Fish,

710
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Speaker 1: the head coach at University of Arizona. You look at

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00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: the five year contract that he signed. He is going

712
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: to be making less money this year than Pete Kwitowski

713
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: is making at Texas. Wait repeat that again. Jed Fish

714
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Speaker 1: is gonna make less this year to be the head

715
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Speaker 1: coach at University of Arizona. Then your boy coach k

716
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: who's leaving too to go to Austin, Texas, is gonna

717
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Speaker 1: be making as their defensive coordinator. There's no doubt in

718
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: my mind. If he's making at least one point eight

719
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Speaker 1: then they'll have the same salary. Wow wow wow wow.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason the Arizona State hired HERM Edwards,

721
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Speaker 1: outside of the main reason that he's Ray anderson lifelong friend,

722
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Speaker 1: uh was that the initial contract would be affordable after

723
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Speaker 1: having to pay twelve million dollars to Todd Graham for

724
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: a buyout, and they've slowly incrementally given him raises over time, um,

725
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: but they also have not been able to afford to

726
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: keep certain assistance. This has been happening to everybody. Mike

727
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: Leach took a lateral move. He took a lateral move.

728
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: He he was so big in pullman that he could

729
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: always come back if he wants to, and he took up.

730
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Speaker 1: He took a lateral move with considerably more resources afforded

731
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Speaker 1: to him because he was an sec Mel Tucker didn't

732
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: want to leave University of Colorado. Michigan State literally made

733
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Speaker 1: him an offer that he couldn't refuse because it wasn't

734
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: about him anymore. They gave him seven million dollars for

735
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: his assistant pool. He had the ability to generationally change

736
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: lives of people because of that. M yep, no, you

737
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: are right about that. I mean, even when you look

738
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: at what Mario Cristo Ball did when he took his

739
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: new contract at Oregon, he actually took less money than

740
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Speaker 1: the school was willing to give him to up his

741
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: assistance pool, like because they under he understands that that's

742
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: the lifeblood of your program. And that's another situation where

743
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: the University of Oregon could not even University of Oregon,

744
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: even the Mighty Ducks could not have afforded UH to

745
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: and not nor would they maybe have wanted to, but

746
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: they could not have afforded to match the resources of

747
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: of the a c C and former recent National Championship

748
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: winner Florida State in pulling their coach away after one year.

749
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: So it's this keeps freaking happening, and it's happened on

750
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Larry Scott's watch, And every time stuff like this happens,

751
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: Larry Scott will say, isn't it exciting that we're getting

752
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: new coaching blood? Isn't at a eight storyline? This is

753
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: the same Larry Scott who once said it is better

754
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: to have sent nine teams two bulls than to have

755
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Speaker 1: had those teams win those bulls. What. Yeah, he said

756
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: it immediately. I know, dude, he's absolute clown. Um. It

757
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: is interesting though that So I was talking to oh

758
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, what one of the debated guys on Twitter. Yeah,

759
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: and he was talking about he he made a comment

760
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: about because I noticed that how uh, Oregon is kind

761
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: of the head of the Pack twelve right now in

762
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: Washington and um, Washington State are like our second and

763
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: third in command in the Pack twelve in terms of ranking, seniority,

764
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: all of that stuff with the authority over the situation

765
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: that just happened. Yeah, And he said, well, us he

766
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: plays nicer than Texas does because they could stomp around

767
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: the conference and run it around the way that Texas

768
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: does the Big twelve. And I counter back, tell me,

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Speaker 1: tell me from right a wrong. I said that that

770
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: used to be true, that USC used to have that ability.

771
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: But I think that Oregon takes up enough air in

772
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the room and now that they wouldn't be able to

773
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: do what Texas does because USC has had a fall

774
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: from grace in terms of they've had scandals there kind

775
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: of still a little bit unstable. They new new president,

776
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: new athletic director, that they don't have that same sway.

777
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: And you have a team like Oregon who has taken

778
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: up air in the room, albeit nowhere near as much

779
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: room as the USC has in the conference, but over

780
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, like they've been the team in

781
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: the Pact twelve. Well, let's give some background for people

782
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: who might not know what you're talking about. The University

783
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: of Texas is widely rumored and considered by anybody in

784
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: the know too have an inordinate amount of power in

785
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve Conference. They they are considered like they

786
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: they if they're being a squeaky wheel, the conference will

787
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to to oil it. Right, that's

788
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: what you're That's what you're getting at. Yeah, okay, so

789
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: and and despite the fact that they are not as

790
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: successful as they used to be in recent years, the

791
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: conference still cow to house the University of Texas. Now.

792
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: I think that you are correct that USC had that

793
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: ability and could again have that ability, But USC spent

794
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: such a long time prostrating themselves UH and and and

795
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: UM taking their medicine publicly for sins that weren't even

796
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: really in retrospect all that terrible compare narratively, UM in

797
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: the pantheon of college football. I think they spent so

798
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: much time humbling themselves, UM and eating eating crow that

799
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: the UH and then and then obviously some of the

800
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: hires that they made UM UH at athletic director and

801
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: at coach like they have shown that they don't even

802
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: necessarily have power over their own situation, right like UM

803
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: and and Mike Bone is here with Clay Hilton, who

804
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: was a coach that nobody wanted as far as mega

805
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: donors and mega fans of USC and all the message

806
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: board folks. They don't want Clay Helton. Mike Bone is

807
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: standing by him. I'm assuming for UM, if they had

808
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: the financial ability to make a change, they probably would,

809
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: which goes to show you that without those donors there

810
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: and without that ability, UM, just they definitely come off

811
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: as old Hollywood right like that. At one point they

812
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: had the power, but now um they don't. Now I'm

813
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: not sure you can make the argument for Oregon to

814
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: be the big swing and d of the conference, UM,

815
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: because they're also in a situation where they had a

816
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: coach just walk away, right, and so they're trying to

817
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of re establish that. I think it's I think

818
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: one really matters to see what that's going to be,

819
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Especially when you're hiring a new UM head of your conference.

820
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see who tries to

821
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: put the most energy into being in that person's ear. Now,

822
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: I would worry for the conference that if they did

823
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: find some way to get Ray Anderson in as head

824
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: of the conference. If I was the Pack twelve North,

825
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: I would probably combine my powers to just make a

826
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: massive stink about that. Even though I think Ray Anderson

827
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: actually has a stand for background, Um, I would because

828
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: the pact well North feels they often feel unheard, the

829
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: Mountain Schools often feel feel unheard. USC complains a whole

830
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: bunch about, you know, getting getting screwed at times, but

831
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of people who just don't

832
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: feel catered to. And then the Arizona Schools are always

833
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: rumored to be flirting with not being in the conference anymore,

834
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: even though I've never obviously, you know, I think that

835
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: Michael Crow's attitude toward Larry Scott goes to show that

836
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: those rumors are are are far from anything built in reality.

837
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: So um, I think it's really going to depend on

838
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: the higher they make. You who if you see somebody wheeled,

839
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: if you see the Northern Schools wield their power to

840
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: make sure that it's not Ray Anderson and it's somebody

841
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: that would have more sympathy to them, I think your

842
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: question is going to be answered as to who really

843
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: has the power now, um, But if it ends up

844
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: being somebody who like has UH Southern California ties or

845
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: something like that, then you'll know. Then then you'll know

846
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: that even with UH, they're they're slow demid um in

847
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: National collegiate football relevance that that the l A schools

848
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: still um have uh overabundance of power in the conference. Yeah. Yeah,

849
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: I can make sense of that because because everybody says

850
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: that the Pac twelve is better if USC is better

851
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: at all of that, Like, yes, there's some truth to that,

852
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: but you you really don't even need USC. What you

853
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: need is dominant teams. Like somebody who is going to

854
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: like that's been the problem in the Pac twelve is

855
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: that they haven't had a team to just like just

856
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: is pretty much unbeatable in the in the conference. That's

857
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: why sometimes like for instance, Alabama, you can count them

858
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: in every single year. It wouldn't matter whether that was Arizona, USC,

859
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Speaker 1: U C, l A, cal whoever it is. If a

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Speaker 1: team you knew was gonna stop over the conference every

861
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: single year the way that that Clemson does in the

862
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: A c C, that's all they would care about. They're like, oh,

863
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: they're recruiting, well, they're stopping on everybody. This is a

864
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: good football team. Yeah. I I can't envision a time

865
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: ever when it's like Colorado or Washington State completely steering

866
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: the show. There were people that there was a time

867
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: when people talked about the inordinate amount of power that

868
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: Oregon States President had, but I think that was a

869
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: longevity thing. Um, I don't know, man I would say.

870
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: I would say that it's gonna be an interesting proxy

871
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: battle to see who has the most influenced into hiring

872
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: somebody to come in and take over the conference. Which

873
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: is why I think some people are going to argue

874
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: for the idea of using a search firm. Why so

875
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: that they feel like it's more neutral. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

876
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm agreement with using a search for firm to give you, um,

877
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: to give you good candidates, and then you do something else.

878
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I I can the you pick and choose from there,

879
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: what's the absolute most bonkers No, no possibility, the one

880
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: thing you do not want to see, um anybody from Stanford. Um,

881
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: so does Ray Anderson. No. I would want to hear

882
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: what Ray Anderson's plan is, Like, like, I need to

883
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: hear the plan because Ryanderson feels like part of the machine. Yeah,

884
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: and I want somebody who is going to I want

885
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: I want Elon Musk to be in charge of the

886
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: Pack twelve. I want people to be like, yo, are

887
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: you sure about this? Like, are we really going to

888
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: send a rocket to the moon. You know what I

889
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: mean that that's who I want. I want Jeff Bezos,

890
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. I want somebody who is a disruptor to

891
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: be the head of the Pack twelve, because that's what

892
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: you need right right now. There. I was a book

893
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: I read by Ben Horowitz and they, um, it's I

894
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: forget the name of it, but it was it's a

895
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: management book. And they talked about CEOs, that there are

896
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: two types of CEOs. There are wartime CEOs and peacetime CEOs.

897
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: And sometimes that is the same person, but not usually

898
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: that a war and this is wartime for the PAC twelve.

899
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: Figure it to it, and you don't need a peacetime CEO.

900
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe uh what what what's his name? No, he

901
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a pe peace time CEO either, because he found

902
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: a way to ruin the officiating. Um so yeah, So

903
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: you need somebody who's ready to go to war, who's

904
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: gonna be creative and realized that this is their one shot.

905
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: You screw it, threw it up. The converse is done. Yeah,

906
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean that's that's true. You know that

907
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: there's there's some Yeah, there's some weird names you could

908
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: throw out there. The former head of sin Terry, former

909
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: head of Rivals Eric Winter. You know, um, there there's

910
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: who who knows you know, there's there's a million different

911
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: things that you you could go down from different areas

912
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: of business, um to try to get this figured out.

913
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: All I know is that there's a there. It seems

914
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: to be a contingent of people who think that Ray

915
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: Anderson is the guy. And you just got done getting

916
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: rid of a Harvard graduate and tennis player. And Ray

917
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: Anderson went to Harvard Law School after Stanford and uh big,

918
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: big tennis guy. So I don't know, man, I I

919
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: just um, I think that it isn't It doesn't make

920
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: as much sense as people wanted to Ray Anderson as

921
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: as PAC twelve commissioner could Could he do a good job? Sure?

922
00:57:53,600 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: Am I convinced that he has some grandiose plan um

923
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: in place that would be radical. Uh No, And I

924
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: think that they should have somebody and really gonna shake

925
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: things up. Would you be opposed to Donald Trump being

926
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: the PAC twelfth It is time to go today, it

927
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: is man. We we have reached that part of the

928
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: program where Ralph has lost his day of mind. So yeah,

929
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: uh do do do we have anything else, Ralph, I

930
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: don't think so all right, well yeah that that further.

931
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: I know people were listening and they were like, oh, well,

932
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: well the uh the the episodes over. They you don't

933
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: want to get our games on one American news network.

934
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god, I don't even know where to

935
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: find that at first and first and foremost. So yeah,

936
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you're streaming, I don't

937
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: know where to find it. But yeah, no, I I

938
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: might have to leave leave leave the Pack twelve because

939
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: the because because the promos in between the games would

940
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: probably drive me back. But thank you guys for listening

941
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. Um, we will be

942
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: gone next week, f y I. Ralph is going on

943
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: a vacation a like a honeymoon. He's trying to get

944
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: his wife pregnant again. Um. But the thing I forgot

945
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: to tell you, but I was waiting up to the

946
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: end of the podcast because if you are here, you

947
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: have a treat. You guys can text me and Ralph

948
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: from now on. This is like the secret TEXTO, so

949
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: number don't give it out to people. Only people who

950
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: listen to the episode all the way to the end

951
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: can get it. And you will have it now eight one,

952
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: eight two nine three seven five four set. That's eight

953
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: one eight to nine, three, seven, five four seven. We

954
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: want to connect with you guys, and you guys can

955
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: text us and we will respond to you. We're not

956
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: gonna hell you who responded, or maybe we might, but

957
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: you will get one of us responding to you. So

958
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: this is something that we want to add for you guys,

959
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: and we'll what We'll see how it works out, and

960
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: we'll see actually how many people actually hear this, because

961
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: we're putting that at the end of that pisode. Peace out,

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Speaker 1: catch you guys. L