1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio, previously 2 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: on Ridiculous History. No, no, no, I mean I'm kidding. 3 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Casey. I was gonna ask you to put 4 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: in a clip from from the show that sounded Cliff angry. 5 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historian's uh part, pardon 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: that terrible lost impression. But I love that show. Well, 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it absolutely is an appropriate reference 8 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: because Loss had polar bears. North Pole had polar bears. 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: The explorers from ancient Greece saw the polar bears and 10 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: thought they were magical celestial arctros. I think that was 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: an absolutely appropriate lead in bend to our part two 12 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: of the Arctic. The North Pole, the magical land at 13 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: the top of the world where all of of the 14 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 1: world's dreams go to meander and mingle in that gorgeous 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: light show we call the Aurora borealis. So that has 16 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: been Dreams, Dreams, streams in the sky and your Noel, 17 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: and that's our super producer, Casey pegram Well, through the 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: magic of podcast editing, we're we're back here again, my friend, 19 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: and we owe our fellow listeners more to the story 20 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: of mercater. That's what we promised. We're going to deliver. Um. 21 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: We'd like to thank all the rabid mercat rights who 22 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: wrote to us with various cartography related threats if we 23 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: did not give this inventor and cartographer his do. Some 24 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of the things we mentioned m were, you know, the 25 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: formations that he used to determine the pool. But he 26 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: also styled on the map a little bit based on 27 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: the stories he heard from explorers who had actually been 28 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, the map used to have what 29 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: was it a whirlpool? Yes, it's true. Um. He draws 30 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: the Arctic uh, separated into four quadrants that are separated 31 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: by channels of flowing water UM, which meet up in 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: in the middle in this giant kind of like mythological whirlpool. UH. 33 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: He got the idea from a couple of explorers from 34 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: the sixteenth century, Martin Frobisher and James Davis, who had 35 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: made it as far as northern Canada. UM didn't quite 36 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: make it all the way, but they both talked about 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: their being really gnarly currents and they were able to 38 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: observe these currents by the way that these massive icebergs 39 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: were just being you know, basically like pulled by the 40 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: currents as though they were you know, wade nothing and 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: they were massive, and he went on to describe it 42 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: as such. He said, without cease, it is carried northward. 43 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: They're being absorbed into the bowels of the earth. Uh. 44 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: And that's how Marcader described it um from his accounts 45 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: of of these other sixteenth century explorers accounts, So he 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: was kind of using like third hand information. They had 47 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: never really even seen this thing, so he was doing 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: the best of what he can, once again styling as 49 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: you would say, Ben. And there's even a region on 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: this map that Marcader uh labeled as having been home 51 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: to a I guess people um a an indigenous people 52 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: of made up of pygmies UM who he described as 53 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: being four feet in length. And this is likely also 54 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: a reference to that kind of magically thinking Uh. You 55 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: know travelogue that we we talked about in the first episode, 56 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: the Inventio Fortunata um and that discribed some small of 57 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: stature individuals living in the polar regions um. And it 58 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: could have been we know about pygmies that lived in 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Lapland Uh. So it could have been that he misunderstood Um. 60 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Something was lost in translation, and that was actually what 61 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: the anonymous author of that piece was referring to, but 62 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: it's hard to know. But then there's another chunk next 63 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: to it that he described as being the best and 64 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: most salubrious of all the chunks. Whatever that means salubrious? 65 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, doesn't that mean drunk? What does salubrious mean? No, 66 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: it's salubrious. I don't think it means drunk. Salubrious I 67 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: always thought meant uh like a good place. It just 68 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: like you're right, it just means good healthy uh and 69 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: uh and and and health giving even not drunk. I 70 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: don't know why I I guess I'm confusing it with salacious, 71 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: which also doesn't mean drunk. I'm maybe the one who 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: is drunk, you guys. It is, after all, four or 73 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: forty five on a Friday, So give me a break 74 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: and judge me. I like the idea of the of 75 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: describing something as a compliment and saying it's the best 76 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: and most salubrious of all chunks. I think I've ever 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: to refer to a lot of stuff that way, probably 78 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: inappropriately in the coming days. Um. But but you're right, 79 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: this is portrayed as a mythical land because Mricator was 80 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: taking the stories and accounts from just the people he 81 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: could find to the people he could meet. And that's 82 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: why the first known map of the Arctic the septemporary 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: anali Um terre Um, which is it's you know, it's 84 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: official name. That's why it looks so weird. There's a 85 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: great article on Atlas Obscura it talks about this, and 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: you can see that first map or sorry, you can 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: see the second draft of it that was released in 88 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: sixteen o six, and it's just like you described. There's 89 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: a whirlpool in the very middle. Uh, there are these 90 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: four channels with some tributaries. There's a big rock. Um. 91 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: This is the thing though, So mercater who was by 92 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: the way he was. He was born in March of 93 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: fift twelve. Mercader passed away in fifteen ninety four after 94 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: a life well lived, but his ambition, right his his 95 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: work to map and define the world, didn't die with him. 96 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Other explorers kept learning more about the Arctic, and over 97 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: time map makers started to revise their view of both 98 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: the North and the South Pole. There were maps that 99 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: were updated in sixteen thirty six that no longer had 100 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: those four um those four chunks salubrious or no, And 101 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: they also did away with the central whirlpool. Instead, for 102 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the first time, they showed what looked to be like 103 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: a large mass of uninterrupted land, kind of surrounded or 104 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: peppered with smaller islands off the coast. And then also 105 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: this map pointed out possible routes that ships could take 106 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: that were ships had taken, that would allow people passage 107 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: around this area. And it's weird because, like to six 108 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: thirty six, that's not that much time, you know, when 109 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: we consider the lack of communication tools that were available 110 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: to people in this era, it's amazing that they made 111 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: so much progress so very quickly. But you know, tail 112 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: as old as time. This scientific progress did not do 113 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: very much to dispel the myths that people had the 114 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: what what is sometimes called I think so I think 115 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: an article in the Week called it polar fever. Did 116 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: you hear about that polar fever? Yeah? No, I did 117 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: hear about that. And it all ties back to that 118 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: fascination of this this crazy inaccessible place, because let's not 119 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: forget until relatively recently in history, I mean, you just 120 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: couldn't get there. Even even our our guy Mercater had 121 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: to kind of use his imagination and depend on folks 122 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: who had been much closer than he ever was able 123 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: to get. But yeah, the idea of polar fever really 124 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: took hold in the nineteenth century. Um we had governments 125 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: offering prizes for explorers who made it as far north 126 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: as possible. And that's not a change from really what 127 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: we saw with monarchies UM trying to use it to 128 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: chart roots to the different oceans for trade. But also 129 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: it was probably a little bit of a flex as 130 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: to like, you know, who, who's gonna get to put 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: their flag down in this weird, inhospitable, yet potentially magical 132 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: part of the globe. Um. So we also started to 133 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: see becoming a national point of pride for explorers to 134 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: get to the top of the world and saying, hey, 135 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: we did it, we did it first. And that is 136 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: when polar fever truly kicked into high gear. Um. There 137 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: was this obsession with people watching and seeing who would 138 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: be the first to get there, to get as close 139 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: to the North Pole by ship or foot or hot 140 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: air balloon or you know, sled or something. Also, Michael 141 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: Bravo notes, uh that part of this was sort of 142 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: a religious piece this idea that the North Pole was 143 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: somehow connected with what was referred to as as its 144 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: celestial sister of heaven. From the very start, we talked 145 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: about the idea of it being sort of a connection 146 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: or a gateway between worlds. And in the nineteenth and 147 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: twentieth century, eighteen, the nineteent centuries, rather it just became 148 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: more a little bit more kind of an evangelical version 149 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: of that idea as opposed to a mythological or our 150 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: pagan version of that idea. UM. So you really started 151 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: to see that angle taking hold. Boston University's first president, 152 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: William Warren Um, who was a professor himself of comparative religion, 153 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: started to collect all of this anthropological field data and 154 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: research and UH linguistics and archaeological finds UM and adding 155 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: in his own research which he had done into religious 156 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: thinking in Iran and China and Japan and other ancient civilizations, 157 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and he concluded that there was um what he referred 158 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: to as an Andaluvian continent in the north with an 159 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: unusually tall mountain UH centered at the North Pole UM. 160 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: And he decided that this was where paradise was heaven 161 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: on earth, the very cradle of human civilization. Uh, you know, 162 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: more so than the idea of the cradle of civilization 163 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: being in in the Middle East. So antideluvian is just 164 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying like the time before the 165 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Biblical flood often confused by the way with pre lapse area, 166 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: which is the time before the humanities fall from grace, uh, 167 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: in the garden of Eden, in that religious system, and 168 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's maybe a little over generous. 169 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: Describe his opinion as a conclusion, you know, his his research, 170 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: if we call it that. Clearly he was a learned person. 171 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: But as I've established in previous episodes, we have to 172 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: remember that at the time, religion and science were seen 173 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: as two pieces of a larger thing. They were not 174 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: in conflict the way that they so often seem in 175 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: these our modern days. So in Paradise Found Warren starts 176 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: spinning this, this narrative. He says, you know, first this continent, 177 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: which existed before the Biblical flood, got flooded, and then 178 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: it was covered by an ice sheet due to a 179 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: shift in Earth's polar axis, and then things getting really cold. 180 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: The refugees from these disasters, he says, the survivors fled South, 181 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: and they established the basis of all civilization today. This 182 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: is also I have to note, it's very wrapped up 183 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: in um a pro ayan kind of ideal which was 184 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: unfortunately common at the time. Paradise found was written in 185 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: this is. This is something you see in other other 186 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: like fringe research now the idea of this pre existing 187 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: civilizations hyperborean or too l a type of thing um 188 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: which I'm sure it's familiar to people nowadays. Of course, Uh, 189 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: people would rightly criticize Warren because he was very much 190 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: defending creationism against the newer kid on the block at 191 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the time, evolutionary theory. Yeah, that's true, and um, these 192 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: notions today would probably be looked down upon a bit 193 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: because of that very reason. Uh, but especially because of 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: some of the racial theory that he's used to explain 195 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: some of these historical migrations. Um. It was something that 196 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: was controversially at the time and now definitely has not 197 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: aged well. Michael Bravo refers to how the variations of 198 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: the idea of the North Pole being paradise on Earth 199 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: actually found its way into a lot of other um 200 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: let's call them ethno nationalist views and other countries, including 201 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the strands of Hinduism. They considered that Mount Meru existed 202 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: at the North Pole and had a huge part in 203 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: some of the mythological kind of themes in their views. Um. 204 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: And also you had, uh, surprise, surprise, They're always there, 205 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: the Nazis. Uh. Whenever there's some weird kind of like 206 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Nordic myths to be unpacked or to be used to 207 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: support some kind of terrible ideology, the Nazis are always there. 208 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler had a very close relationship with a man 209 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: named Rudolph hess Um who used the North Pole um 210 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: as part of kind of an aryan mystic um set 211 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: of beliefs. And that was all wrapped up in their 212 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: tool a. Uh. And I think it's too ghasal shaft movements, 213 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: private society um. That included uh, lots of the sort 214 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: of precursors for Nazi thinking and how that evolved. Yeah, 215 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: I would say those those jokers were less precursors and 216 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: more like I don't know. So the Nazi Party was 217 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: trying to create elements of the Nazi Party. We're trying 218 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: to create an alternative religion that they could control based 219 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: on um, some bastardized ideas. They pulled from a number 220 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: of sources. That's where you'll also hear things like real 221 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: energy v R I l UH, the idea that there 222 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: might be some secret UH superhuman race living under the 223 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: surface of the earth. They were just like, have you 224 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: ever been in a writer's room or brainstorming session where 225 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: things are just going crazy like this? These theories make 226 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: me um are one of the things that convinced me. 227 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: A lot of those guys were on drugs at the time. 228 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how else it would sound like something 229 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: you could say reasonably. But one of their big things, 230 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: and in the Nazi Party and National Socialism, was that 231 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: they wanted to replace where geography was traditionally oriented, and 232 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: traditional geography, especially for like origin story of humanity was 233 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: even at this time trace to the Middle East, right, 234 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: and that is, you know, that is the cradle of 235 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: powerful religions like as m Christianity and so on. So they, 236 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: being you know, anti Semites, wanted to remove UH Judaism 237 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: and Israel as much as much as possible from the 238 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: narrative of humanity and then say, hey, instead, let's look 239 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: at the UH. Let's look at where the real UH 240 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: story of humanity starts, which is, for some reason at 241 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: one of the most inhospitable places on the planet. So 242 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: the logic, it's charitable to call it a stretch. But 243 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: that's not even the most ridiculous myth, because again, people 244 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: were people were desperate to learn more about this place, 245 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: because we are creatures built to explore, right, we are curious. 246 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: But it was tremendously difficult and tremendously freaking dangerous to 247 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: get out there, so people just kind of had to 248 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: believe what they heard from people who said they went there. 249 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: One ridiculous myth was, uh, there's a guy named John B. 250 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: Sheldon in eighteen sixty nine. We're jumping around in time 251 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: here a little bit, but uh. In eighteen sixty nine 252 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: he was responsible for uh, an illustration called the Discovery 253 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: of the North Pole and the Polar Gulf surrounding it. 254 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: His version of the North Pole has an iron cone 255 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: one mile high and it is surrounded by a perfectly 256 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: circular ring of ice, and people believed it it looks 257 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: like a witch hat like in the middle of the ocean, essentially, 258 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: like the brim is the circle of water, and the 259 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: ice is like taking is like a bordering at all. 260 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: And then in the center is this giant kind of 261 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: witch hat cone that's pure black. Uh. It's it's a 262 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: real hoot. And there's a really great graphic um that 263 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: we found in the research uh that has this image 264 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of it and it's his discovery of the North Pole 265 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and the Polar Gulf surrounding it and John B. Sheldon. Yeah, 266 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: and there's there. There's so many examples of this too. 267 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: It looks like, Oh, I'm just saying this so I 268 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: can have an excuse to finally use this word. You're 269 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: right on, spot on with the witch hat. I would 270 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: say it also looks like a hen in which is 271 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: the name for the pointy hats the princesses where in 272 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: fairy tales, that's it ever waiting like all all you're 273 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: to say that a hen and you say, so that's 274 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the thing that you buy like a renaissance fair that 275 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: has like a you know, sort of like some what 276 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: do you call that stuff a gold like crinoline or 277 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: whatever around it and maybe some kind of ribbon hanging down. Interesting. Okay, 278 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: I've learned a new word today. Earth is a princess 279 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: and that's its hat. Yeah. And that story that I 280 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: was talking about, um from the Millville Daily Republican published 281 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: in October had some pretty fantastic details are about this hoax, 282 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: but again they're reporting it as fact, and it refers 283 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: to the discovery of of this witch hat situation as such, 284 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: a large arc riding at anchor, her crew starving, and 285 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: nothing but a drowned horse left for them to eat. 286 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: The pole is a tow paz a diamond. I don't 287 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: know why I'm getting southern now. The water around the 288 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: pole never freezes. Yeah, this is This is a fantastic 289 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: specific example of both UH sensationalism in UH in the 290 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: news and UH an example of how easily people can 291 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: make these preposterous claims. The alleged discoverer that we mentioned, 292 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: John B. Sheldon of Millville, New Jersey, says or is 293 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: purported to say, under that picture that you described their nal, 294 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: I made this discovery on the night of the twenty 295 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: five October eighteen sixty nine. The poll is ten degrees high, 296 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: ten degrees wide, and round the outer wall is ice. 297 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: The center of the gulf is ninety degrees north entered 298 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: according to an Act of Congress in the year eighteen seventy. 299 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: So you can see like a lot of it's a 300 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: tendency for a lot of this kind of reporting to 301 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: try to sound authoritative by putting in numbers right, and 302 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: putting in claims with uh, you know, congressional approval and 303 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Uh. The Millville Daily Republican that we're 304 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, they kind of ran this as 305 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: a a slow newsday piece, I think, because you can 306 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: tell the journalists doesn't necessarily believe this. Uh, they do 307 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: say that, according to historians, the North Pole was actually 308 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: discovered on April eight nine by Admiral Robert E. Perry. 309 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: But they're giving space to, uh, this wacky story of 310 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: the Millville explorer who found Earth's hat. I don't know 311 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: why I'm so delighted by that, the idea that Earth 312 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: has a hat. Yeah, no, it's it's it's lovely. It's 313 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: a lovely notion. Earth deserves a hat. He then, because 314 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: Earth is a pretty pretty princess and we need to 315 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: take care of her and crown her in hats and 316 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: shower her with gifts and and fine linens and and 317 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: mattresses upon mattresses, and go go squeezes. So but I've 318 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: got a question for you know, you got it, man, 319 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: I hopefully have an answer. So we mentioned I mentioned 320 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: that the Millville Daily Republican says that one Admiral Roberty 321 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: Perry discovered the North Pole. But who did discover the 322 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: North Pole? How sure are we there? Yeah? On September seven, nine, 323 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: The New York Times published an article front page headline 324 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: claiming that Perry discovers the North Pole after eight trials 325 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: in twenty three years. UM. And it truly was, as 326 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about over the course of two episodes, this 327 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: untouchable kind of you know, mythical place. And we talked 328 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: about two when polar fever kicked in. Polar fever seems 329 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: sort of like a jumbo shrimp, doesn't it? Just putting 330 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: that out there like an oxymoron? Um? Irrelevant? Moving on, 331 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: These prizes were in place, and lots of different sports 332 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: from all over the world had sought them, and so 333 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: this was a big deal. People were freaking out, like, Okay, 334 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: it's finally been done. No more brass hat to strive for? Um? 335 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: Was it meant to be brass? Iron? I guess is 336 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: what they said it was. Uh So, this gentleman in 337 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: question the period question was Robert E. Peary UM. And 338 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: he had apparently sent word that he had in fact 339 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: reached the North Pole in April of nineteen o nine, 340 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: a little more than a hundred years ago. And the 341 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: report was an absolute stunner. But there was another report, 342 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: wasn't there. Ben. It's sort of like when two different 343 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: network report different returns from the polls can cause a 344 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: real hubbub. Yeah, and they were. Both of these reports 345 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: were coming from the Big Apples. You mentioned the New 346 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: York Times report. Turns out that a week before that 347 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: New York Times story runs in September, the New York 348 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: Herald printed a headline of its own. I don't know 349 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: why it sounds so arched there, but they said, the 350 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: North Pole is discovered by Dr Frederick A. Cook. Cook 351 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: was also an explorer, and it appeared that he had 352 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: People thought he had he had died. People thought Cook 353 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: was dead. Uh, he was gone for more than a year. 354 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: He came back and he said that he had reached 355 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the North Pole in April nineteen o eight, which would 356 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: put him a full year before Admiral Perry. And the 357 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: people reading these papers had some, you know, they had 358 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: some pretty valid questions. First off, the North Pole could 359 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: only really be discovered once right, So we needed to 360 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: figure out who got the prize for the history books, 361 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: and Perry was always for a long long time, Perry 362 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: was thought to be the legit discoverer of the poll. 363 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: But the National Geographic Society, who sponsored a ton of 364 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: his expeditions, re examined his records and they said that 365 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Perry's evidence didn't seem to prove his claim. And furthermore, 366 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: they said that maybe he knew he had fallen short. 367 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Sort of like that that story we did earlier. Yeah, exactly, 368 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: boat guy. I like how we both call him boat guy. 369 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: That makes it totally clear we're talking about. So after 370 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: Cook got back to the US in nineteen eleven, Congress 371 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: UM really tried to you know, launch a serious investigation 372 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: of this ine and nineteen fifteen, UM they wanted to 373 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of who discovered the North Pole 374 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: because it's such a point of national pride, um and 375 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: also a national prize. You know, there was cash at 376 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: stake there. Um. But eventually, you know, something uh sort 377 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: of overshadowed at by quite a lot in the form 378 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: of World War One. They had bigger fish to fry, uh, 379 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: And so they kind of moved on and supposedly both 380 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: Perry and Cook left notes at the North Pole, uh, 381 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, and now like sort of like Perry was here, 382 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: Cook you know was here, um and those were never found. 383 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: And so honestly both of those are in some ways 384 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: kind of called into question. Uh. And we we have definitive, 385 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: obviously proof a little later in history, in nineteen sixty eight, 386 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: with the first undisputed, entirely legit confirmable overland voyage to 387 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: the North Pole UM. In ninety eight, a Minnesota man 388 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: named Ralph place did Um took a snowmobile to the 389 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: North Pole UM. And you know, he wasn't the first exactly. 390 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: There were other explorers that went before, not by land 391 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: though by air and by um. And also many of 392 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: them were able to confirm some of Cook's descriptions in 393 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: his notes of the polar ice uh and some of 394 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: the islands and the drift of the way that the 395 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: glacier has drifted. So it does kind of make you 396 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: wonder how did Cook get it right if he never 397 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: actually got to the North Pole in nine are people 398 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, been maybe I missed this, And then there 399 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: are people saying that he was lying or it was 400 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: just a difference of who got there first, So they 401 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: say that Peery may have at the very least embellish disclaims, 402 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: if not outright lied or been mistaken. But the issue 403 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: with Cook is there's not conclusive proof that he made it, 404 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: but there's pretty strong circumstantial evidence because other people were 405 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: able to go back later and a lot of what 406 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: he said in his descriptions added up. So there's there's 407 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: kind of a possible conspiracy of foot Dare I say 408 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: and now again, you know, if you have the if 409 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: you have the pony bones and the somoleans for it, 410 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate, you can probably get passage 411 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: on the fifty Let po buddy. Um, I just like 412 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: saying the name. It sounds like I'm the only one 413 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: of the three of us who was a percent on 414 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: board with going to the North Pole. But you know, 415 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: think of it maybe like a cool cruise. How can 416 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: I how can I pitch you on this, guys? How 417 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: can I get you to Yes? You know, we won't 418 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: be the first people at the pole, but will be 419 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: three new members of a very rare demographic a k a. 420 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: People who made it there at all. Come on, think 421 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: of the Instagram I'll do it for the Graham Bend, 422 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: then I'll do it for you. I don't do it 423 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: for this show. As long as super producer Casey Pegram 424 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: comes on board with us and protects us from polar bears, 425 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm into it, and I'll be on polar bear duty. 426 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: No problem, Okay, I can get down with it. Then 427 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: let's make it happen. Guys. This has been an epic 428 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: two partner and I feel as though as I know 429 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more about my place in the Uni 430 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: verse um thanks to the work of of those what 431 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: came before us and and risk life and limb and 432 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: and uh and uh and frostbite in order to discover 433 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: a place that probably people shouldn't really be hanging out in. 434 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: But you know it's for for for God and country 435 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: for science. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah, for all 436 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: the good stuff, right, all the good the good stuff 437 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: about the human species. It also reminds me of the Terror. 438 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of that TV show The Terror 439 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: came out? Has It has a story about polar explorers, 440 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: the HMS Arabis and the HMS Terror. No, I haven't, 441 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: but I like the name. Well check it out if 442 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you get a Chance. Thanks as always to our super 443 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram. Thanks to Alice Oh whoa, no, hey, hey, guys, 444 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: there's another call coming in. No, no, no, no, no 445 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: zoom bombing. It's time, gentleman. It was only a matter 446 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: of time before you found us and zoom bombed us. 447 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: So here we are. I gotta tell you, you, gentlemen, 448 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: it's so hard to type in all those U r 449 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: l s. Guys, I have bombed so many zoom meetings 450 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: looking for us. Hates me. Oh, Jonathan Strickland's a k a. 451 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: The quister. You're up to your old tricks again. I 452 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: see Uh is that a spoon? Are you? Are you 453 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: proper spooned us? I'll be I'll be disemboweling you with 454 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: this momentarily through the internet. Well, I love this idea 455 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: of you collecting other arch nemessies during the time leading 456 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: up to you finally finding ore you are. How did 457 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: you find us? By the way, just it was just sheerly, 458 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: just random chance. I started. I started just you know, 459 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: typing in U r els for zoom meetings, and after 460 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: a while I had a random numb bird generator, made 461 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: a lot of friends. You know, it's it's almost like 462 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm starting up Omegael but for Zoom. But yeah, it 463 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: turns out that a few people don't appreciate that. I 464 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: don't get it myself anyway. Now I'm here, don't reek 465 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: having upon your podcast once again. You know, I've got 466 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: to say, Jonathan Strickland, a k. The quis ter um 467 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: I I am. I'm experiencing so many emotions right now. 468 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Uh? You know, before we get 469 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: down to the business of being nemesses, it's been a while. 470 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: You want to catch us up real quick, a little 471 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: been Thanks for asking. I'm doing well, keeping fit, eating right, occasionally, 472 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: take my dog for nice long walks. I do not 473 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: see other people that much. So that's that's new, you know, 474 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: being an extrovert who get this energy by interacting with 475 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: other people. And they're the wells running a little dry. 476 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: And I don't mind telling you it's so this is 477 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: a pleasure. But but but I shall, I shall see 478 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: you ground beneath the heel of my boot. But how 479 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: are you doing? Good? Good? Uh? Yeah, I mean we've 480 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: been we've been keeping on. We've actually been doing uh, 481 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: you know. I I think the three of us and 482 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: uh and our fellow listeners have been having as as 483 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: good a time as can be as always were astonished, uh, 484 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: to learn new things and to learn what we didn't 485 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: know about stuff we thought we knew. I don't know. 486 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: Would you say that's pretty accurate? And well, oh yeah, 487 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: for sure. And you know I have mixed emotions here too. 488 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: On the one hand, curse you. On the other hand, 489 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of good to see you, buddy. I I'm 490 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: not ashamed to say that I did miss you a 491 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: little bit. And uh, you know I don't like the 492 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: idea of you being lonely. So let's keep this going. 493 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: I believe we are even. We're on an even playing 494 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: field because you started with a new set of dastardly 495 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: rules to combat our our rock paper scissoring of of 496 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: these scenarios. Um, and you're gonna have to remind us 497 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: a little bit about how this works. I think we're 498 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: probably going to be a little rusty. Yes, yes, Now, 499 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: people who are new to this, you may not realize 500 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: we have now officially into the most cringe worthy segment 501 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: and all of podcasting. And what I used to do 502 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: was present a scenario to our two beloved hosts, and 503 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: they would have to determine whether I had found that 504 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: as an actual historical record or I had made it 505 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: up seas. But then they were using their rock paper scissoring, 506 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: as Noel said, to determine which one was correct. And 507 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't like that. So now I present you three scenarios, 508 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: two of which are true, one of which is false. 509 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: It is your job to determine which is the false one, 510 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: And as always I will arrange them in order chronological, 511 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: so we will go to the earliest instance, then the next, 512 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: and then the most recent. You determine which of the 513 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: three is fake. I tell you if you're right or wrong. 514 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: You get a few minutes to decide. You do not 515 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: get to ask any questions, right, no questions, So we 516 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: can talk amongst ourselves. But you will, you will stone 517 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: wall us if we have any clarifications. Perhaps, though, if 518 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: we need you to restate one of the scenarios, you 519 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: may at least at least accommodate us. Thusly, yes, yes, yes, yes, 520 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: and I mean sometimes I'll answer questions too, because I 521 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: am incorrigible. Don't encourage me. So are we prepared to 522 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: hear the scenarios that I have gathered or fabricated. Yeah, 523 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: give me one second, because, as as I think some 524 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: of our long time listeners know, we did blow most 525 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: of our budget on that giant grandfather clock. We don't 526 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: have it with us now, but I have a handy 527 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: stop watch, and I think we'll have three minutes after 528 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: the after the pronouncement of final scenario. Yes, yes, after 529 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: I finished the third, usual have three minutes to decide 530 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: which is the false one. Here are your three. Oh, 531 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: by the way, I fabricated these for your episode on 532 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: pneumatic tubes, which was like a whole pandemic ago, so 533 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: but we never used it. So I'm just gonna I'm 534 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: just gonna fall back to that one. Here we go. 535 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the First created a position within her kingdom 536 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: that she considered quite important, the uncorker emotion bottles, because 537 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: it was thought that spies were using messages in bottles 538 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: to communicate secretly, though presumably inefficiently. The penalty for opening 539 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: a bottle if you were not this very official person 540 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: was death baby heading. In the late nineteenth cent this 541 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: is scenario to a group of Austrian sailors and a 542 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: journalist named John Sands was stranded on St. Kilda, an 543 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: island off the coast of Scotland, and they placed a 544 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: message in a bottle, tied it to a lifeboat and 545 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: sent it out to see to ask for rescue, as 546 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: the island's small food reserves were running too low to 547 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: support the survivors and the weather was too rough for 548 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: the local boats. They were fortunately were the tiny ships 549 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: tossed in faith. It was. It was incredible, if not 550 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: for the courage, but the fearless crew. Well, actually the 551 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: boat was lost, so I guess screw them. They were 552 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: rescued a couple of weeks later. Scenario three. The oldest 553 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: verified message in a bottle is relatively young, having been 554 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: dunked into the Indian Ocean in eighteen eighties six from 555 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: a German ship named the Paula. An Australian woman named 556 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: Tanya Illman found this message in a bottle while walking 557 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: across some sand dunes in Australia. The pepis of the 558 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: message wasn't to cry out for rescue or longing for love. 559 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: It was to study ocean currents. Start that stop watch 560 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: three two one okay, um, I gotta say no. I 561 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: feel like On scenario three, I feel like I heard 562 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: something about that. I'm tempted to say that's true. It 563 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: seems legit. Uh, you've got to study those ocean currents. 564 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: How else are you gonna know? I don't know, it 565 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: just seems like a thing that people would study. Uh. 566 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: Also scenario one, um, you know, it seems a bit extreme. 567 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, the idea of an ocean bottle uncorker does 568 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: seem like the kind of pedantic job that would be 569 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: created in a monarchy. But the idea of punishable by death, 570 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: like for some poor slub uncorking one of those bottles, 571 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: Like how would they even know? How would they find out? 572 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: If they just kept it to themselves? It seems awful penalty. 573 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: I am leaning towards scenario one being uh falsified to 574 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: some degree too, seems legit as well. Yeah, two seems 575 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: like it's a successful kind of message in a bottle 576 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: um that would work. The point about scenario one also 577 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: flagged for me. I clocked the idea. There are, as 578 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: we all know, many many cartoonishly specific jobs in especially 579 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: the British monarchy, uh, food taster and so on, so 580 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: I could I don't know, though, the professional and quirker 581 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: seems a little bit too far along the uh the 582 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: spectrum of specificity, which is a thing I just made up, 583 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, I think it's one. Yeah, No, 584 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. Ben. Uh no rock 585 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 1: paper scissors required. We you know there there there would 586 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: be a way we could still rock paper scissor if 587 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: we're in disagreement. So uh, you know you can't have 588 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: it all, squister, But no, I don't think we need 589 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: to this time. Yes, but if you disagree on two 590 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: that are both true, then I still win. That's fair 591 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: kind of head your bets a little bit. I think 592 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:18,959 Speaker 1: we're we're in full locked in agreement here on scenario one. World, gentleman, congratulations, 593 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: that is in fact the first one. Now, now let 594 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: me let me elaborate a bit here, because this is 595 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: a this is a truly unusual situation. When I first 596 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: gathered my scenarios to present to you for the tubes 597 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: pneumatic episode, this was one of the true ones that 598 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: I listed originally because it is widely reported if you 599 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: do a search for uncorker of Ocean Bottles and Elizabeth 600 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: the First, you're going to find tons of references, tons 601 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: of them. Turns out, however, those all can be traced 602 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: back not to an actual historical record, but to a 603 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: novel written by French novelist Victor Hugo throughout such works 604 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: as Lames a Robber. So it turns out that this legend, 605 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: which has been widely reported as being true, actually is 606 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: due to a piece of fiction, and no one else 607 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: bothered to look, including almost me. But then I but 608 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: but then I did it, and I used it as 609 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: the fake one. But it didn't mean I have to go. 610 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: I had to go and find another true one. So, man, 611 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: you almost quisterred yourself. Dude. Yes, I don't even know 612 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: that my own strength. Sometimes I'm sometimes I'm so devious. 613 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: I fooled myself. You you scored, You scored what the 614 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: British will call an own goal. There, didn't you an 615 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: own goal? Yes? That's well. Fortunately, however you want to 616 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 1: look at it. That episode we never got a chance 617 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: to record because you know, stuff happened, a lot of it. 618 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: And now we're at home and I have to just 619 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: keep telling you. Listen. By the way, guys, you know 620 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: warm fuzzy feelings novels can consider. Do you think it 621 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: could maybe just send me the U R L. It's 622 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: this guessing thing is it takes a lot of time. 623 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: I think I think we can agree on that. It's 624 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's nice to have you back. I'm 625 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Um, and this was fun. And also 626 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: we're we're one up now on you if I'm not mistaken, 627 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: so something like that. I'm sure someone out there is 628 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: keeping track. I think we're tied. Okay, they were tied, yeah, 629 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: because I believe the first one. This is the second 630 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: of the new format, and I believe the first one. 631 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: You guys completely Um you you you withed it? Oh, 632 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: come on, you're not above that. Huh, all right, fine, 633 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: you know what, you know what. I take back what 634 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: I said. It's anyone's game. I shouldn't have pointed out 635 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: that we're tied. But for those of your keeping score 636 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: at home, vote your conscience, by which I mean, please 637 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: root for us, because when we went to this new format, 638 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: I believe, uh, team Ridiculous History was still maybe a 639 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: little behind. I think you were only maybe two behind, 640 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: maybe just one. It was close. Well, do do let 641 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: us know out there in podcast lad You can do 642 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: so in the usual social media channels where we are 643 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History on Instagram, and Twitter and Facebook and all 644 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: that good business. You can join our Facebook group at 645 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: the Ridiculous Historians, where you might even find I think 646 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: you've had that you are l since the beginning, Quister, 647 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: So you might find a little lurking Quister action there 648 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: where you can you can needle him a little bit 649 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: on there and and make him feel bad about himself. Um, 650 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: but you know you could also be nice to him. 651 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: I know this is a divisive segment, it being the 652 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: most cringe worthy one in all of podcasting, but we 653 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: like it, and uh, you know, if you don't like it, 654 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: you know when to turn off the podcast and move on. Uh. Well, 655 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: I I do want to point out, yes, we we 656 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: enjoy this segment. You guys know, we're all suckers for segments, 657 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: and we're always making new ones that we propose will 658 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: do forever. So far, however, Jonathan, the Quister segment is 659 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: the one we have. Actually you've actually stuck to our 660 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: guns on. Uh. You can find Jonathan on Ridiculous Historians, 661 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: but you can also find him on other shows. If 662 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: you want to learn anything and everything about all things 663 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: tech related, do check out one of the longest running 664 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: historic shows on our network, and tire as Jonathan Strickland's 665 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: tech stuff and Jonathan, I think people can find you 666 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: a couple other places on the internet to you've got 667 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: a Twitter. Yeah, yeah, you can find me on Twitter. 668 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: That's at John Strickland. It's j O N for that 669 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: And you can see as I post terrible puns, movie 670 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 1: references and occasionally I get my dander up about politics. 671 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: It's so fun. I can't wait to get all the responses. 672 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: What happened to your accent? Buddy? Oh? Sometimes the Jonathan 673 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: comes out and the quizt and goes into the back seat. 674 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? Well, Hugh's reluctant. Thanks to you, 675 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan for for coming back. And yeah, I will definitely 676 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: send you the proper you r l and and you 677 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: can zoom bomb us any old time, buddy. Big thanks 678 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: to super producer Casey Pegram Alex Williams who composed our theme, 679 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: Christopher Haciots here in spirit. Big big thanks to our 680 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: own north Pole Magnetic and physical or perhaps metaphorical research associate, 681 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: Gay Blues. Yeah, big, big thanks to a Pure podcast 682 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: or Eves Jeff Coach. Thanks as always to you, Jonathan Strickland, 683 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: the quister and uh you know. No, Thanks to you. 684 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: Thanks to you and Casey both for going on this weird, 685 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: wide ranging journey towards the North Pole. We'll see you 686 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: next time, folks. For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, 687 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,720 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 688 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.