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Speaker 1: ifew through treets. Peter Schrager's here, I'm Kay Adams and

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Speaker 1: we got kind of a story to get to here.

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Speaker 1: a good discussion with lead block. Let's go. Well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Ryan Tannehill was asked about his role

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Speaker 1: Head coach Mike Tomlin wade in yesterday in the Rich

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Speaker 1: People are employed in their sole focus is the development

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Speaker 1: that's probably what you speak to, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: to be. So those are the opinions of Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to mentor the next guy mentality. So

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Speaker 1: for all your young quarterbacks that need a mentor, DM me,

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Speaker 1: you do. However, when you have questions of concerns, what

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Speaker 1: contract negotiations. They were standing there willing, we'll make it

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Speaker 1: one of the highest paid receivers. We'll give you that opportunity.

424
00:19:52,188 --> 00:19:54,468
Speaker 1: He said, I'm out of here. I want to follow

425
00:19:54,508 --> 00:19:56,948
Speaker 1: Tyreek and DeVante and the other guys out of town. Yes,

426
00:19:57,108 --> 00:19:58,708
Speaker 1: do you come back from that? You know, I think

427
00:19:59,348 --> 00:20:00,908
Speaker 1: you have to work through it, you know, you can

428
00:20:00,988 --> 00:20:02,588
Speaker 1: hug it out, you can talk about all Like I said,

429
00:20:02,628 --> 00:20:04,868
Speaker 1: passing someone to check is a great thing, all right,

430
00:20:04,908 --> 00:20:06,828
Speaker 1: And they do have a great relationship from the past.

431
00:20:07,028 --> 00:20:09,548
Speaker 1: This is the organization that believed in him from the beginning.

432
00:20:09,548 --> 00:20:11,908
Speaker 1: So I think for Deebo it can be worked out.

433
00:20:11,948 --> 00:20:15,108
Speaker 1: Will it be on the fence because you have to

434
00:20:15,108 --> 00:20:17,868
Speaker 1: think this is an era, it's brand new. Players have

435
00:20:17,988 --> 00:20:21,188
Speaker 1: control now, so I can try to force myself out

436
00:20:21,228 --> 00:20:23,668
Speaker 1: simply because I don't want to play for you, and

437
00:20:23,708 --> 00:20:25,508
Speaker 1: that could be something that he decides to do, but

438
00:20:26,028 --> 00:20:27,748
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't be surprised if they work it

439
00:20:27,828 --> 00:20:29,708
Speaker 1: all up. I'm a gumshoe in a lot of ways.

440
00:20:29,828 --> 00:20:32,428
Speaker 1: I'm sneaking around and there's some things that I own up.

441
00:20:32,468 --> 00:20:35,068
Speaker 1: But he's following the forty nine ers on social media again,

442
00:20:35,108 --> 00:20:39,228
Speaker 1: so that's my big things might be okay after all,

443
00:20:39,548 --> 00:20:45,348
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they are. We do a segment called three

444
00:20:45,388 --> 00:20:47,628
Speaker 1: on three with a lot of the x NFL players

445
00:20:47,628 --> 00:20:50,108
Speaker 1: where we go through lists. Here's my list of the

446
00:20:50,188 --> 00:20:52,388
Speaker 1: top three pass rushers. Here's my list of the top

447
00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:56,388
Speaker 1: three specialists. We've got Tory Smith, NFL legend and two

448
00:20:56,428 --> 00:20:59,228
Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion who I contend is one of

449
00:20:59,268 --> 00:21:02,548
Speaker 1: the most underrated wide receivers of his generation. You were

450
00:21:02,588 --> 00:21:05,148
Speaker 1: always a player that was making the play and could

451
00:21:05,148 --> 00:21:07,228
Speaker 1: take the top off when necessary. So we thought it

452
00:21:07,228 --> 00:21:11,268
Speaker 1: would be fun to do a segment the most underrated

453
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Speaker 1: wide receivers in the NFL right now. We've each made

454
00:21:14,628 --> 00:21:16,228
Speaker 1: our own lists, and we've been in the Ricky Lake

455
00:21:16,348 --> 00:21:20,028
Speaker 1: isolation chambers where we have not shared each other's lists.

456
00:21:20,548 --> 00:21:22,548
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna start off. Let's get into this

457
00:21:22,668 --> 00:21:24,708
Speaker 1: right now. I'll start off with my number three most

458
00:21:24,788 --> 00:21:27,188
Speaker 1: underrated wide receiver in the league. He's a guy who's

459
00:21:27,188 --> 00:21:29,708
Speaker 1: just played two seasons. I'm going with te Higgins from

460
00:21:29,708 --> 00:21:33,508
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. Lost in the Jamar Chase maddness and

461
00:21:33,628 --> 00:21:36,108
Speaker 1: it was maddness. He was that good, was what te

462
00:21:36,228 --> 00:21:38,468
Speaker 1: Higgins was doing on the other side last year. This

463
00:21:38,508 --> 00:21:42,628
Speaker 1: guy is a tower. He is a huge physical specimen,

464
00:21:42,828 --> 00:21:45,348
Speaker 1: but he also has wheels and he was as reliable

465
00:21:45,428 --> 00:21:47,708
Speaker 1: as it comes to Joe Burrow when he needed a

466
00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:50,908
Speaker 1: most you go through those big games. Yes, Jamar Chase

467
00:21:51,388 --> 00:21:53,148
Speaker 1: was the number one by the end of the season,

468
00:21:53,388 --> 00:21:56,548
Speaker 1: but te Higgins was making play after play after play,

469
00:21:56,908 --> 00:21:59,588
Speaker 1: and the leap he made from year one to year two.

470
00:22:00,988 --> 00:22:02,468
Speaker 1: You can't even made a quantity on it. It was

471
00:22:02,508 --> 00:22:05,868
Speaker 1: that good. This thing is not burrow in Chase. It's

472
00:22:05,948 --> 00:22:11,748
Speaker 1: Burrow Chase and Higgins. I believe te Higgins is vastly underrated.

473
00:22:11,748 --> 00:22:14,308
Speaker 1: When we talk about the best young wide receivers in

474
00:22:14,348 --> 00:22:17,388
Speaker 1: the games that mattered most Week twelve to the Super Bowl,

475
00:22:18,308 --> 00:22:21,028
Speaker 1: Luke who was third in the league in receiving yards

476
00:22:21,028 --> 00:22:23,988
Speaker 1: per game. Yeah, Cooper Cup had an all world season.

477
00:22:24,028 --> 00:22:26,988
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson took it off Tee Higgins, not Jamar Chase.

478
00:22:27,068 --> 00:22:30,188
Speaker 1: So just for the sheer celebrity status of Chase and

479
00:22:30,308 --> 00:22:32,948
Speaker 1: just how amazing his season was, maybe the greatest rookie

480
00:22:32,948 --> 00:22:35,468
Speaker 1: season we've ever seen. Let's not forget about a great

481
00:22:35,508 --> 00:22:37,988
Speaker 1: sophomore season and Tee Higgins gonna be even better in

482
00:22:38,068 --> 00:22:40,748
Speaker 1: his third year. I'm going Tee Higgins my third most

483
00:22:40,828 --> 00:22:43,428
Speaker 1: underrated wide receiver in the league. Who do you got

484
00:22:43,508 --> 00:22:45,868
Speaker 1: as yours? I love that pick as well. Shout out

485
00:22:45,868 --> 00:22:47,428
Speaker 1: to te Higgins, but I'm gonna go with my man,

486
00:22:47,548 --> 00:22:50,268
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. Mike Williams has always been a big play

487
00:22:50,308 --> 00:22:51,908
Speaker 1: thright and not feel like if he was on any

488
00:22:51,948 --> 00:22:54,188
Speaker 1: other team he would be a number one receiver. I

489
00:22:54,268 --> 00:22:56,588
Speaker 1: love Mike Williams. He's a guy that people love to

490
00:22:56,668 --> 00:22:59,348
Speaker 1: knock him because he's not necessarily going to be a

491
00:22:59,388 --> 00:23:02,388
Speaker 1: guy that's running all of these different routes across the field. However,

492
00:23:02,428 --> 00:23:04,188
Speaker 1: he can make every play if you need a big

493
00:23:04,188 --> 00:23:05,788
Speaker 1: time and play. He's one of the best in the

494
00:23:05,868 --> 00:23:07,748
Speaker 1: league when it comes to fifty fifty catches and that

495
00:23:07,868 --> 00:23:09,348
Speaker 1: you can see right there. He gets the ball in

496
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,868
Speaker 1: his hands, he can go and I think he plays

497
00:23:11,908 --> 00:23:15,228
Speaker 1: with one the most underrated superstar in league, Keenan Allen.

498
00:23:15,348 --> 00:23:17,628
Speaker 1: I think that's you to knock him, but I really

499
00:23:17,628 --> 00:23:19,588
Speaker 1: think that should be something to help elevate his game

500
00:23:19,748 --> 00:23:22,668
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter who's on him, he's gonna always

501
00:23:22,668 --> 00:23:25,108
Speaker 1: be open. And last year, I remember there was a

502
00:23:25,148 --> 00:23:29,108
Speaker 1: stretch in two games between Cleveland and Decease where he

503
00:23:29,148 --> 00:23:32,868
Speaker 1: had nearly three hundred yards and four touchdowns. And that's

504
00:23:32,908 --> 00:23:35,508
Speaker 1: not underrated and big time potentials join who he is.

505
00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:37,708
Speaker 1: I don't know what can be got his money this year.

506
00:23:37,868 --> 00:23:41,148
Speaker 1: The Charge Chargers us fat Man and they certainly rate

507
00:23:41,268 --> 00:23:43,788
Speaker 1: him well as well. Okay, number two, it's a name

508
00:23:43,828 --> 00:23:45,428
Speaker 1: that we hear every year on this list, but I

509
00:23:45,468 --> 00:23:48,508
Speaker 1: still feel like he deserves a little more love Tyler Lockett.

510
00:23:48,948 --> 00:23:51,628
Speaker 1: He had another great year in Seattle and he continues

511
00:23:51,668 --> 00:23:54,068
Speaker 1: to do it. Tyler Lockett's gonna have a lot of

512
00:23:54,068 --> 00:23:55,748
Speaker 1: eyes on him this year and say, okay, well, no,

513
00:23:55,908 --> 00:23:58,188
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, how are you going to perform with the

514
00:23:58,308 --> 00:24:01,948
Speaker 1: Drew lock Gino Smith, Jacob Eeson, maybe Baker Mayfield. We

515
00:24:01,988 --> 00:24:05,108
Speaker 1: don't know who's thrown him the passes. It doesn't matter.

516
00:24:05,228 --> 00:24:09,028
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett every year puts in the work and every

517
00:24:09,108 --> 00:24:12,228
Speaker 1: game is there making big plays. And yet if you

518
00:24:12,268 --> 00:24:14,588
Speaker 1: put a list together of name the top fifty wide

519
00:24:14,588 --> 00:24:17,108
Speaker 1: receivers in the league, I would challenge you to find

520
00:24:17,148 --> 00:24:20,028
Speaker 1: many people who put Lockett on it. The numbers out up,

521
00:24:20,148 --> 00:24:22,948
Speaker 1: the big time moments add up, and the after the

522
00:24:23,028 --> 00:24:26,708
Speaker 1: catch matters and adds up. Most receiving yards on deep

523
00:24:26,748 --> 00:24:30,108
Speaker 1: passes the last four seasons, he's got more than Tyreek Hill.

524
00:24:30,708 --> 00:24:33,748
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett is fantastic. I'm so curious to see this

525
00:24:33,828 --> 00:24:36,868
Speaker 1: next stage of his career. Obviously, DK Metcalf gets all

526
00:24:36,868 --> 00:24:39,388
Speaker 1: to shine, but I think Tyler Lockett is as good

527
00:24:39,628 --> 00:24:41,868
Speaker 1: a deep threat wide receiver in the league, and he

528
00:24:41,868 --> 00:24:43,388
Speaker 1: could do a whole lot more than that. Who You've

529
00:24:43,388 --> 00:24:46,068
Speaker 1: got number two, Tyler Lockett could have very easily been

530
00:24:46,188 --> 00:24:48,308
Speaker 1: number one. I love that pick, but I'm gonna go

531
00:24:48,468 --> 00:24:51,068
Speaker 1: number two with Scary Terry out of the DMB area.

532
00:24:51,508 --> 00:24:54,108
Speaker 1: Terry McClaren is a big time playmaker I have I've

533
00:24:54,108 --> 00:24:56,908
Speaker 1: seen an up close from personal following Washington and been

534
00:24:56,948 --> 00:24:59,748
Speaker 1: in the area. He's had two thousand yards seasons back

535
00:24:59,788 --> 00:25:02,428
Speaker 1: to back. And with Carson Wentz my guy coming in

536
00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:04,908
Speaker 1: this year, guy that will be his eighth order back here,

537
00:25:04,988 --> 00:25:09,908
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, that is Carson wentzcot Carson Winzon. We gotta

538
00:25:09,948 --> 00:25:14,468
Speaker 1: do sament guy, My guy, Carson wins is gonna be

539
00:25:14,548 --> 00:25:18,148
Speaker 1: throwing dimes to Terry McLaurin all year long. He's another

540
00:25:18,188 --> 00:25:21,428
Speaker 1: guy in fifty fifty catches, unbelievable, big time playmaker. And

541
00:25:21,508 --> 00:25:23,988
Speaker 1: now you add and this is all without another number two,

542
00:25:24,068 --> 00:25:26,228
Speaker 1: a solid one on the other side. Now you have

543
00:25:26,268 --> 00:25:29,188
Speaker 1: a healthy Curtis Samuel coming in. You go to the draft,

544
00:25:29,388 --> 00:25:32,428
Speaker 1: get my guy to Penn State. Doctings has extreme speed,

545
00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:35,188
Speaker 1: big time threasts all around. That's only going to help him,

546
00:25:35,308 --> 00:25:37,148
Speaker 1: help single him up. So I'm looking for to watch

547
00:25:37,228 --> 00:25:39,668
Speaker 1: him it's watchingson offense on the Scott Turner this season

548
00:25:39,668 --> 00:25:42,028
Speaker 1: with weapons and healthy weapons that are around. Yeah. I

549
00:25:42,068 --> 00:25:44,588
Speaker 1: think McLaurin is he wars to see on the jersey too,

550
00:25:44,628 --> 00:25:46,708
Speaker 1: which I think says so much from the wide receiver version.

551
00:25:46,748 --> 00:25:49,388
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, big announcement, our top most

552
00:25:49,468 --> 00:25:53,148
Speaker 1: underrated wide receivers. Mine might be the most underrated wide

553
00:25:53,148 --> 00:25:56,148
Speaker 1: receiver in NFL history. How's that for some bold statements?

554
00:25:56,228 --> 00:25:58,588
Speaker 1: I love it. Number one it is Mike Evans. I'm

555
00:25:58,628 --> 00:26:01,268
Speaker 1: gonna talk Mike Evans right now. This guy is in

556
00:26:01,508 --> 00:26:04,828
Speaker 1: rarefied air historically what he's done over the first eight

557
00:26:04,948 --> 00:26:09,468
Speaker 1: years of his career thousand yards season every single season,

558
00:26:09,588 --> 00:26:12,068
Speaker 1: not for three years, not for four years, not for

559
00:26:12,108 --> 00:26:15,188
Speaker 1: five years, eight years, only guy in NFL history to

560
00:26:15,228 --> 00:26:18,628
Speaker 1: do it. And it's beyond like, Hey, here's how about

561
00:26:18,668 --> 00:26:20,348
Speaker 1: the leader that he is in the locker room the

562
00:26:20,428 --> 00:26:22,788
Speaker 1: last two years. You know who the biggest vocal advocate

563
00:26:22,828 --> 00:26:26,388
Speaker 1: has been to get Chris Godwin paid. This guy. He

564
00:26:26,508 --> 00:26:30,188
Speaker 1: is mister Tampa. He is all world there, he predates

565
00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:33,548
Speaker 1: Brady and he'll be there long after Brady. Mike Evans,

566
00:26:33,548 --> 00:26:36,348
Speaker 1: to me is the consummate professional. He is so good

567
00:26:36,348 --> 00:26:38,268
Speaker 1: for that team. He has been so good over the

568
00:26:38,268 --> 00:26:40,588
Speaker 1: course of his career, and I think he's so good

569
00:26:40,628 --> 00:26:43,148
Speaker 1: in that community. I think he really wears that Buccaneer's

570
00:26:43,228 --> 00:26:45,988
Speaker 1: logo with such pride. Look at this. I mean it's

571
00:26:46,028 --> 00:26:48,028
Speaker 1: not even like it's a flip. This is a two

572
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:50,948
Speaker 1: year gap now on Randy Moss, aj Green of course,

573
00:26:50,988 --> 00:26:53,948
Speaker 1: and Michael Thomas, but most consecutive seasons with a thousand

574
00:26:54,028 --> 00:26:56,788
Speaker 1: yards to start a career. Chris Carter, an NFL Pro

575
00:26:56,868 --> 00:26:59,108
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Famer, was on the show and said,

576
00:26:59,148 --> 00:27:00,708
Speaker 1: Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer if he never

577
00:27:00,748 --> 00:27:04,508
Speaker 1: plays another down to football again. I said, wow, Then

578
00:27:04,508 --> 00:27:06,308
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers and you're like, he might

579
00:27:06,348 --> 00:27:09,508
Speaker 1: be right. Mike Evans has the ring, He's got eight

580
00:27:09,588 --> 00:27:11,948
Speaker 1: years straight up a thousand yards and he is the

581
00:27:12,028 --> 00:27:14,468
Speaker 1: constant professional. I think he's the most underrated wide receiver

582
00:27:14,548 --> 00:27:17,388
Speaker 1: in our game, but I didn't play league position. You did.

583
00:27:17,628 --> 00:27:19,988
Speaker 1: Who do you have as number one most underrated wide receiver?

584
00:27:20,628 --> 00:27:22,468
Speaker 1: Number one? For me? I love Mike Evans, by the way,

585
00:27:22,468 --> 00:27:24,268
Speaker 1: and you're right, he may be the most underrated receive

586
00:27:24,388 --> 00:27:27,268
Speaker 1: all the time, but I'm gonna take him back again

587
00:27:27,308 --> 00:27:30,708
Speaker 1: with my little bud, the Dj Moore fellow turf right there.

588
00:27:30,708 --> 00:27:32,628
Speaker 1: I remember when he was drafted. I knew who he

589
00:27:32,708 --> 00:27:35,028
Speaker 1: was coming out of Maryland. He's only continued to get better.

590
00:27:35,268 --> 00:27:36,908
Speaker 1: His route tree is grown, and he's just a big

591
00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:39,988
Speaker 1: time playmaker. I tell everyone DJ was able to get

592
00:27:40,028 --> 00:27:42,068
Speaker 1: his money that he earned this year. But if DJ

593
00:27:42,268 --> 00:27:44,948
Speaker 1: Moore played in San Francisco or big market team, you

594
00:27:44,988 --> 00:27:47,068
Speaker 1: will be talking about him like you do Deebo, Samuel

595
00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:49,308
Speaker 1: and those type of guy. He is a big play guy.

596
00:27:49,348 --> 00:27:51,428
Speaker 1: He's like a running back when it gets the ball

597
00:27:51,468 --> 00:27:53,628
Speaker 1: in his hands. I've never seen a player with that

598
00:27:53,708 --> 00:27:56,668
Speaker 1: type of balance and watching him another guy who's had

599
00:27:57,188 --> 00:27:59,868
Speaker 1: three thousand yards seasons and he has He's had five

600
00:27:59,988 --> 00:28:02,788
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on him the ball as well. DJ's are making

601
00:28:02,908 --> 00:28:05,708
Speaker 1: plays since his rookie year. I'm extremely proud of him

602
00:28:05,788 --> 00:28:09,028
Speaker 1: and I definitely wasn't biased in he's really underrated when

603
00:28:09,068 --> 00:28:11,068
Speaker 1: it comes as people don't talk about him enough and

604
00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:15,948
Speaker 1: it bothers. You gotta take it personal between him, Stefon Diggs,

605
00:28:16,308 --> 00:28:18,908
Speaker 1: Tory Smith. What's up with your turps wide receivers where

606
00:28:18,908 --> 00:28:21,268
Speaker 1: you're all people sleep on you and then you get

607
00:28:21,308 --> 00:28:22,988
Speaker 1: to the NFL and you're like, hey here I am. Yeah.

608
00:28:22,988 --> 00:28:24,428
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you're a receiver, you want

609
00:28:24,428 --> 00:28:25,908
Speaker 1: to get to the league, go to Maryland. That's how

610
00:28:25,948 --> 00:28:34,948
Speaker 1: it wor the AFC West is where we kick off

611
00:28:34,988 --> 00:28:37,668
Speaker 1: this conversation. They of course bring in Russell Wilson. That

612
00:28:37,788 --> 00:28:41,108
Speaker 1: was a huge, splashy, blockbuster move out there in Denverse.

613
00:28:41,268 --> 00:28:43,548
Speaker 1: Now the FCUS features from the flashiest quarterbacks in the

614
00:28:43,708 --> 00:28:46,628
Speaker 1: entire league. Yesterday when he joined our show, we asked

615
00:28:46,708 --> 00:28:50,068
Speaker 1: Russell how he felt about a tough division as far

616
00:28:50,148 --> 00:28:54,308
Speaker 1: as competitions concerned. She wouldn't want any other way. It's

617
00:28:54,348 --> 00:28:56,908
Speaker 1: about the work. It's about the work. It's about you know,

618
00:28:57,548 --> 00:28:59,108
Speaker 1: to win the whole thing, you got to go through,

619
00:28:59,428 --> 00:29:02,068
Speaker 1: go through everybody. You gotta play everybody. You gotta fout

620
00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:04,548
Speaker 1: against the best of the best. He's got to me,

621
00:29:04,668 --> 00:29:06,668
Speaker 1: I have a high regard for him. Man. These guys

622
00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:10,148
Speaker 1: can really play, you know, those quarterbacks and so and

623
00:29:10,228 --> 00:29:12,748
Speaker 1: these teams and so. It's it's I've always played the

624
00:29:12,788 --> 00:29:15,468
Speaker 1: tough division. I've always played against the best the best.

625
00:29:15,868 --> 00:29:18,148
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the opportunity of it. I got a

626
00:29:18,188 --> 00:29:20,028
Speaker 1: lot of respect for everybody, and we do too. And

627
00:29:20,108 --> 00:29:22,268
Speaker 1: so it's going to be an amazing journey. And you

628
00:29:22,348 --> 00:29:23,828
Speaker 1: know you don't win it. You don't win it down

629
00:29:23,908 --> 00:29:26,188
Speaker 1: the road. You win it today. You went it today.

630
00:29:26,628 --> 00:29:29,028
Speaker 1: You went it today. And you know when we have this,

631
00:29:29,308 --> 00:29:31,348
Speaker 1: you know, meeting here at eight o'clock or whatever it is,

632
00:29:31,868 --> 00:29:33,628
Speaker 1: that's when we start winning it. And you got to

633
00:29:33,628 --> 00:29:36,188
Speaker 1: win it one moment of time, one play at a time,

634
00:29:36,228 --> 00:29:38,588
Speaker 1: when one little note at a time, and uh and

635
00:29:38,708 --> 00:29:40,268
Speaker 1: one little day at a time. And then as you

636
00:29:40,388 --> 00:29:42,668
Speaker 1: do that, you give yourself the best opportunity to be

637
00:29:42,708 --> 00:29:45,508
Speaker 1: successful over and over again. And so that wild obsession

638
00:29:46,188 --> 00:29:51,308
Speaker 1: with the process and not the end result is the key. Tom.

639
00:29:52,028 --> 00:29:53,828
Speaker 1: He came on our show and I'm like ready to

640
00:29:53,908 --> 00:29:55,948
Speaker 1: run through a wall for him from m via the

641
00:29:56,188 --> 00:29:59,228
Speaker 1: Bronco's Biggest Cheerleader. He doesn't miss everything, he says, We

642
00:29:59,428 --> 00:30:02,588
Speaker 1: hang on every word. What do you make about this positive,

643
00:30:02,628 --> 00:30:06,268
Speaker 1: empowering approach that he's bringing to this. Russell Wilson is

644
00:30:06,348 --> 00:30:10,668
Speaker 1: one of the most singularly focused people that I've encountered

645
00:30:10,708 --> 00:30:14,148
Speaker 1: in twenty years covering the NFL. In every aspect of

646
00:30:14,308 --> 00:30:18,308
Speaker 1: his career, his life. He knows exactly what he wants

647
00:30:18,748 --> 00:30:20,628
Speaker 1: and he is going to go try to get it.

648
00:30:21,148 --> 00:30:23,628
Speaker 1: He's also a player who at this stage in his

649
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:26,628
Speaker 1: career knows things like the Hall of Fame, things like

650
00:30:26,708 --> 00:30:28,228
Speaker 1: being thought of as one of the great players of

651
00:30:28,268 --> 00:30:31,708
Speaker 1: all time, hang in the balance based upon his next move,

652
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:33,308
Speaker 1: which is part of the reason that he wanted to

653
00:30:33,388 --> 00:30:36,348
Speaker 1: move on and get a new opportunity, try something different

654
00:30:36,588 --> 00:30:38,788
Speaker 1: and get a little bit of a reboot. Look at

655
00:30:38,788 --> 00:30:41,388
Speaker 1: the numbers on Russell Wilson since he had that hot

656
00:30:41,428 --> 00:30:43,588
Speaker 1: start in twenty twenty, right the first five weeks it

657
00:30:43,748 --> 00:30:47,428
Speaker 1: was letting Russ cook. He's an MVP candidate. Then look

658
00:30:47,468 --> 00:30:50,348
Speaker 1: at what's happened since then. Forget the wins losses even

659
00:30:50,668 --> 00:30:53,908
Speaker 1: but the numbers are down across the board, the turnovers

660
00:30:53,988 --> 00:30:56,348
Speaker 1: are up. He had a finger injury in there, he

661
00:30:56,468 --> 00:30:58,668
Speaker 1: came back probably way sooner than he ever should have,

662
00:30:58,988 --> 00:31:01,228
Speaker 1: so that's certainly a factor here. But he has not

663
00:31:01,468 --> 00:31:04,268
Speaker 1: played at peak Russell Wilson level over the last year

664
00:31:04,388 --> 00:31:06,588
Speaker 1: and a half. I am fascinated to see with an

665
00:31:06,748 --> 00:31:10,868
Speaker 1: energetic coach like Nathaniel Hackett, a new scheme, new players

666
00:31:10,908 --> 00:31:13,188
Speaker 1: around him, a lot of talent really on both sides

667
00:31:13,188 --> 00:31:17,468
Speaker 1: of the ball for Denver, can he in fact be

668
00:31:17,588 --> 00:31:20,268
Speaker 1: able to recapture that rush, maybe get that bump like

669
00:31:20,348 --> 00:31:23,308
Speaker 1: we've seen other quarterbacks we've gone someplace else Stafford Brady

670
00:31:23,868 --> 00:31:25,908
Speaker 1: and play at a level maybe that we haven't even

671
00:31:25,948 --> 00:31:28,788
Speaker 1: seen before. For Russell Wilson, I think it's possible. You know,

672
00:31:28,908 --> 00:31:32,308
Speaker 1: I expect the most out of Russell Wilson at all times.

673
00:31:32,428 --> 00:31:34,948
Speaker 1: He's always been the underdog. He's always been a fighter.

674
00:31:35,028 --> 00:31:37,748
Speaker 1: So when I hear him speak in that interview, that's

675
00:31:37,748 --> 00:31:39,988
Speaker 1: who Russell Wilson is. That's who he's always been since

676
00:31:40,068 --> 00:31:42,788
Speaker 1: high school. So he's a Virginia guy as well, so

677
00:31:43,108 --> 00:31:45,988
Speaker 1: this is no different. He's always been the underdog and

678
00:31:46,108 --> 00:31:48,468
Speaker 1: he knows it's the pressure is there now, right. They

679
00:31:48,508 --> 00:31:50,148
Speaker 1: brought him in to win. They didn't bring him in

680
00:31:50,228 --> 00:31:53,108
Speaker 1: to participate. They brought they brought him into win, and

681
00:31:53,268 --> 00:31:55,428
Speaker 1: he understands that and he wants it. Right. All year

682
00:31:55,468 --> 00:31:58,828
Speaker 1: we heard in the rumor is that Russell wants more responsibility,

683
00:31:59,148 --> 00:32:01,428
Speaker 1: he wants more control, and he has it. And I

684
00:32:01,548 --> 00:32:03,668
Speaker 1: think right now we're going to see the best version

685
00:32:03,668 --> 00:32:05,708
Speaker 1: of Russell. He has weapons around him to go out

686
00:32:05,748 --> 00:32:08,988
Speaker 1: there and be successful, and he has the mind, he understands.

687
00:32:08,988 --> 00:32:10,828
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch him, it's a new environment.

688
00:32:11,028 --> 00:32:13,948
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to shake things up, and I'm excited

689
00:32:13,948 --> 00:32:15,868
Speaker 1: to see what he does with this challenge because Russ

690
00:32:15,908 --> 00:32:18,348
Speaker 1: has been a model athlete both on and off the

691
00:32:18,388 --> 00:32:21,708
Speaker 1: field his entire career. Sometimes my eyes glaze over when

692
00:32:21,748 --> 00:32:24,468
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks talk because it's cliche after cliche, and you

693
00:32:24,548 --> 00:32:26,508
Speaker 1: just are like, I've heard it all before. Yesterday, Ka,

694
00:32:26,548 --> 00:32:28,708
Speaker 1: we were at the table, like when he starts saying,

695
00:32:28,828 --> 00:32:30,908
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the outcome, you kennot saying that I'm

696
00:32:30,908 --> 00:32:32,748
Speaker 1: obsessed with the out We are obsessed with the outcome.

697
00:32:32,788 --> 00:32:35,268
Speaker 1: Like little things that are not cliche, but they do

698
00:32:35,468 --> 00:32:39,028
Speaker 1: have that like poster on your wall type. Clark Russell

699
00:32:39,108 --> 00:32:41,988
Speaker 1: had me yesterday, And I gotta say sometimes in Seattle

700
00:32:42,028 --> 00:32:43,908
Speaker 1: when he did his press connecience, he didn't have me.

701
00:32:44,028 --> 00:32:45,948
Speaker 1: I felt like yesterday he had me dialed in. It

702
00:32:45,988 --> 00:32:47,908
Speaker 1: seemed a little different from Russ that he's ready to

703
00:32:47,948 --> 00:32:54,468
Speaker 1: prove people wrong. So let's talk a little football here.

704
00:32:54,548 --> 00:32:56,708
Speaker 1: The Steelers quarterback room to get a little bit bigger.

705
00:32:56,988 --> 00:33:00,388
Speaker 1: They take Kenny Pickett twentieth overall. On Wednesday, mc thomin

706
00:33:00,508 --> 00:33:03,508
Speaker 1: was asked how he described the quarterback competition there between

707
00:33:03,588 --> 00:33:08,108
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett and themental Dribisky and Mason Rudolph. I expect

708
00:33:08,148 --> 00:33:10,628
Speaker 1: it to be fierce because I know I know all

709
00:33:10,708 --> 00:33:13,188
Speaker 1: three guys. I don't expect anyone to take a back seat.

710
00:33:14,228 --> 00:33:18,228
Speaker 1: You know, the challenge is from a structural standpoint, man,

711
00:33:18,268 --> 00:33:21,028
Speaker 1: are we providing enough of a platform for all the

712
00:33:21,108 --> 00:33:24,108
Speaker 1: guys to show what they're capable of? And so that's

713
00:33:24,148 --> 00:33:26,508
Speaker 1: going to be the challenge component of it. I'm excited

714
00:33:26,588 --> 00:33:30,228
Speaker 1: about watching these guys compete, man, just like I am

715
00:33:30,308 --> 00:33:33,308
Speaker 1: at any position where you got some viable options, and

716
00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:37,548
Speaker 1: so you know, we'll proceed with that understanding that you know,

717
00:33:37,708 --> 00:33:40,708
Speaker 1: it's gonna be challenging from an organization standpoint, but it's

718
00:33:40,748 --> 00:33:46,828
Speaker 1: a good challenge and I'm excited about watching those guys perform. Tory,

719
00:33:46,908 --> 00:33:48,868
Speaker 1: let's start with you from a player standpoint, what does

720
00:33:48,868 --> 00:33:51,148
Speaker 1: a quarterback competition due to a locker room? Is it

721
00:33:51,228 --> 00:33:53,348
Speaker 1: a good thing for the Steelers? I think it's a

722
00:33:53,428 --> 00:33:56,468
Speaker 1: great thing. The Steelers are looking for their next franchise guy,

723
00:33:56,588 --> 00:33:58,628
Speaker 1: and so competition is going to bring the best out

724
00:33:58,668 --> 00:34:00,428
Speaker 1: of everyone. You're not just going to hand it over

725
00:34:00,468 --> 00:34:02,668
Speaker 1: to someone. It's not like they necessarily had that guy

726
00:34:02,828 --> 00:34:05,468
Speaker 1: on the roster, and I think guys on the team,

727
00:34:05,548 --> 00:34:07,948
Speaker 1: everyone else is competing. You know, I mentioned and alluded

728
00:34:07,988 --> 00:34:10,028
Speaker 1: to a little bit earlier that quarterbacks are the only

729
00:34:10,108 --> 00:34:12,548
Speaker 1: guys that can say it's their team. However, when the

730
00:34:12,588 --> 00:34:16,628
Speaker 1: guys established, everyone knows, there's never really a true competition.

731
00:34:17,028 --> 00:34:19,788
Speaker 1: You're just there and fighting for a second or third role.

732
00:34:20,108 --> 00:34:22,708
Speaker 1: But now these guys are really fighting to be that guy,

733
00:34:23,028 --> 00:34:25,428
Speaker 1: and it brings the best out of the locker room. Yes,

734
00:34:25,548 --> 00:34:27,828
Speaker 1: there are more conversations happening. Yes, you're like, hey, who

735
00:34:27,828 --> 00:34:29,868
Speaker 1: do you think it's better? Of course these things are happening.

736
00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:32,308
Speaker 1: And I experienced that one time when I was in

737
00:34:32,388 --> 00:34:35,308
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Colin Kaepernick and Blame Gabett. We're battling it

738
00:34:35,388 --> 00:34:37,268
Speaker 1: out and you're going through the all season, You're trying

739
00:34:37,268 --> 00:34:38,708
Speaker 1: to figure it out. You're like, man, who's going to

740
00:34:38,748 --> 00:34:40,508
Speaker 1: be the guy? Who's gonna be the guy? You're like, hey,

741
00:34:40,548 --> 00:34:42,548
Speaker 1: who do I get more reps with? I didn't care

742
00:34:42,548 --> 00:34:44,108
Speaker 1: if they want an extra work. I was gonna get

743
00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:46,228
Speaker 1: it with either one of them. But then it became

744
00:34:46,348 --> 00:34:49,068
Speaker 1: very clear that Blame Gabbett was the better quarterback going

745
00:34:49,108 --> 00:34:51,748
Speaker 1: into the season, and from there you kind of take

746
00:34:51,788 --> 00:34:54,068
Speaker 1: that step forward, and I think the biggest thing is

747
00:34:54,108 --> 00:34:57,108
Speaker 1: competition is great, but the timing of when they move

748
00:34:57,228 --> 00:35:00,388
Speaker 1: forward and decide who that guy is that's really the

749
00:35:00,508 --> 00:35:02,388
Speaker 1: bigger issue. That way you can start to get that

750
00:35:02,508 --> 00:35:05,148
Speaker 1: chemistry with the right guy. A big part of the

751
00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:08,828
Speaker 1: issue when you have more guys in a quarterback competition

752
00:35:08,948 --> 00:35:10,428
Speaker 1: is just how do you divide the reps? How do

753
00:35:10,508 --> 00:35:13,188
Speaker 1: you make it equal if you've got three quarterbacks, which

754
00:35:13,228 --> 00:35:15,028
Speaker 1: it sounds like the Steelers are at least going into

755
00:35:15,068 --> 00:35:17,788
Speaker 1: this with that thought. Are you rotating one day here

756
00:35:17,828 --> 00:35:19,628
Speaker 1: with the ones, one day here with the threes? Is

757
00:35:19,788 --> 00:35:22,948
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph with the threes? Every single day? You draft

758
00:35:23,188 --> 00:35:25,948
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett for a reason, which is he's ready to

759
00:35:26,108 --> 00:35:28,828
Speaker 1: play right now. You use a first round pick on him.

760
00:35:28,828 --> 00:35:31,668
Speaker 1: It's Kevin Colbert's last first round pick as a general manager.

761
00:35:31,748 --> 00:35:33,628
Speaker 1: You would think that the deck is going to be

762
00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:36,228
Speaker 1: stacked toward Kenny Pickett. But all by, let's make it

763
00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:41,068
Speaker 1: a competition. Show me good, Mitch dr Bisky tape from

764
00:35:41,108 --> 00:35:44,428
Speaker 1: the Chicago Dates Shrikes. What is Mitch Terrbisky's record as

765
00:35:44,468 --> 00:35:48,268
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback? Say he's got a winning record twenty

766
00:35:48,348 --> 00:35:50,428
Speaker 1: nine and twenty one. Do we have the tape, don't

767
00:35:50,428 --> 00:35:52,148
Speaker 1: don't fake me out. There is here we go. Okay,

768
00:35:52,188 --> 00:35:56,628
Speaker 1: we got him in the preseasons, but if you go

769
00:35:56,748 --> 00:35:58,508
Speaker 1: back and you look at what he did from years

770
00:35:58,548 --> 00:36:01,388
Speaker 1: two or four of his career, it is very much

771
00:36:01,428 --> 00:36:03,468
Speaker 1: in line with some of the better quarterbacks who've ever

772
00:36:03,548 --> 00:36:05,428
Speaker 1: played in the end FL. And that's not to say

773
00:36:05,508 --> 00:36:07,948
Speaker 1: the Mitch Drobiski is a future Hall of Famer. And yes,

774
00:36:07,988 --> 00:36:10,108
Speaker 1: he's back to Mitch, which I like no more. Mitchell.

775
00:36:10,148 --> 00:36:13,068
Speaker 1: That's where the problem started. He's Mitch again. Interesting, he

776
00:36:13,228 --> 00:36:16,668
Speaker 1: has had productivity in the NFL. The Bears were losing

777
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:18,948
Speaker 1: before he got there. They won with him, they're losing

778
00:36:19,028 --> 00:36:21,428
Speaker 1: since he left. At some point, you have to look

779
00:36:21,428 --> 00:36:23,868
Speaker 1: at what made him the number two overall picking that draft,

780
00:36:23,948 --> 00:36:26,828
Speaker 1: which was the makeup. Every teammate loves him. He has

781
00:36:26,868 --> 00:36:29,908
Speaker 1: beloved in every single locker room. He's obviously got athletic ability,

782
00:36:29,948 --> 00:36:32,268
Speaker 1: he's got a big arm. There's a lot of other things, Okay,

783
00:36:32,348 --> 00:36:34,148
Speaker 1: the process and everything else he's got to put together.

784
00:36:34,228 --> 00:36:38,108
Speaker 1: But don't write off he sat for your dable Osmosis,

785
00:36:38,268 --> 00:36:40,548
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. It's all good things. Hey, I've got six

786
00:36:40,668 --> 00:36:42,988
Speaker 1: months to talk about this Steelers quarterback thing. I'm not

787
00:36:43,028 --> 00:36:44,628
Speaker 1: going to empty the bucket just yet. I want to

788
00:36:44,708 --> 00:36:47,188
Speaker 1: lean on you one more time about another experience you had.

789
00:36:47,868 --> 00:36:50,068
Speaker 1: Carson went to Nick Foles. What was the vibe in

790
00:36:50,068 --> 00:36:52,668
Speaker 1: the locker room after Folesman's a super Bowl and he's

791
00:36:52,708 --> 00:36:55,228
Speaker 1: still hanging around and Carson is still that number one guy.

792
00:36:55,468 --> 00:36:57,748
Speaker 1: Is there a feeling like, hey, because he was drafted

793
00:36:57,788 --> 00:37:00,188
Speaker 1: where he was, it's his job to lose. Or do

794
00:37:00,268 --> 00:37:01,908
Speaker 1: you look at it and say, hey, but Foles is

795
00:37:01,948 --> 00:37:03,948
Speaker 1: actually out playing him here in this big moment. Yeah.

796
00:37:03,948 --> 00:37:05,988
Speaker 1: I mean, well, for me being that I got traded,

797
00:37:06,028 --> 00:37:08,068
Speaker 1: I didn't get to really live through it, but knowing

798
00:37:08,188 --> 00:37:11,548
Speaker 1: exactly how that conversation was, I mean, it was one

799
00:37:11,588 --> 00:37:14,388
Speaker 1: of those things where and fans tend to forget this.

800
00:37:15,228 --> 00:37:16,748
Speaker 1: We would have never went to the super Bowl if

801
00:37:16,748 --> 00:37:19,908
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz wasn't playing like a superhero the entire season.

802
00:37:20,668 --> 00:37:23,148
Speaker 1: I'm still mad he wasn't the MVP that year. He

803
00:37:23,228 --> 00:37:26,308
Speaker 1: was literally one healthy play, one excuse me, one healthy

804
00:37:26,428 --> 00:37:28,908
Speaker 1: game away from being the MVP of the league. And

805
00:37:29,108 --> 00:37:31,468
Speaker 1: because he wasn't, now it fell off. But we would

806
00:37:31,508 --> 00:37:33,668
Speaker 1: have never won a super Bowl without that Nick Boles,

807
00:37:33,708 --> 00:37:35,788
Speaker 1: on the other hand, played lights out through that entire

808
00:37:35,788 --> 00:37:37,388
Speaker 1: playoff run. So I feel like it's kind of the

809
00:37:37,468 --> 00:37:39,668
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. Don't all teams say they want

810
00:37:39,708 --> 00:37:41,988
Speaker 1: their starting guy in the backup that you can trust,

811
00:37:42,188 --> 00:37:44,948
Speaker 1: And that's really what happened in Philadelphia that season. Trubisky

812
00:37:45,028 --> 00:37:47,108
Speaker 1: signed with the expectation of being a starter. I liked

813
00:37:47,108 --> 00:37:49,348
Speaker 1: the Tomlin from the beginning of saying it's a competition.

814
00:37:49,428 --> 00:37:51,508
Speaker 1: If it's close between the two of them, I imagine

815
00:37:51,868 --> 00:37:54,308
Speaker 1: he goes with Trubisky. We saw it with Mike Lennon

816
00:37:54,308 --> 00:37:56,948
Speaker 1: and Trubisky in Chicago. Give glenn and the nod when

817
00:37:56,988 --> 00:37:58,748
Speaker 1: it's close and sort of see where it rides out.

818
00:37:58,788 --> 00:38:02,028
Speaker 1: But fascinating insight from me. Of course, you're part of

819
00:38:02,068 --> 00:38:05,348
Speaker 1: the one of the wildest things in NFL history, I

820
00:38:05,388 --> 00:38:07,308
Speaker 1: think with all the Carson Went stuff that you alluded to,

821
00:38:07,428 --> 00:38:10,268
Speaker 1: and now a broad receiver is wearing his number. Yes,

822
00:38:10,668 --> 00:38:13,068
Speaker 1: it looks good on a J. Brown. It's great and

823
00:38:13,188 --> 00:38:14,868
Speaker 1: your guy love is the best number.