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The Heisman 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: question that mclovin has been sitting on that he's so 45 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: proud of. He's very it's a very saucy Heisman question 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: for you. I almost walked off after I threw it 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: out preach oil. I said, you can't walk off before 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: the show starts. Maybe you can walk off after. But 49 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: hold on here for just a little bit. Here play 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the day, start of the day, pull question all of 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: that coming up and your involvement, and you can be 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: involved in a variety of ways. You can dial us 53 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: up eage seven seven three D P show email address 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: DP of Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP 55 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: show and say good morning to our radio and TV 56 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: partners around the country, around the world. Lamar Jackson passed 57 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: Michael Vick for the single season quarterback rushing record last night. 58 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: But that's just the start of things with Jackson this year. 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: He threw five touchdown passes last night, and granted it's 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: the Jets, but he now has thrown thirty three touchdowns 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: on the season. This is the third time he's thrown 62 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: five touchdowns in a game. He's got only six interceptions, 63 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: like we're running out of ways to go or adding 64 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: question marks to his game. Well, but can he hold 65 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: up that's the one that that persists. Well. Can he 66 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: hold it well? So far? He took one hit last night. 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: He did run out of bounds. And that's what I've 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: said before with these mobile quarterbacks. A lot of these 69 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks have an ego where you go, just get out 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: of bounds. You know. The reason why RG three slowed 71 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: down greatly is because his ego got in the way 72 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: and he started taking on these defenses and when they hit, 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: it hurts. Lamar Jackson is a bigger version of RG three. 74 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: He gets out of bounds and as far as his 75 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: passing numbers, well, mak him throw outside the numbers. He 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: loves his tight ends, you know the fact that he 77 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: those are the go two guys and he throws to 78 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: them more than any other position. You know, they use 79 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: their tight ends more than any other team. But the 80 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: Ravens have won ten in a row. They're twelve and two, 81 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: and maybe you don't look at the wins and losses 82 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: right now, but the Ravens follow Lamar Jackson's lead and 83 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the offense plays with a lot of confidence. 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: I still think the dangerous part of the team the 85 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: offense is mark Ingram because I can game plan the 86 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: best I can for Lamar Jackson. I can gain plan 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: for him, but you gotta mark Ingram keeps you honest 88 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: up the middle. And they got a couple of running 89 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: backs there, They got three tight ends. Hollywood Brown gives 90 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: you that deep threat there. And it's not just Lamar Jackson. 91 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: And he said that, he said that after the games. 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's all about we, it's not 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: about me. And he's going to get the individual awards, 94 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: but the team award. I mean, this could be one 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 1: of those great great seasons where you saw a dominating team. 96 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody saw this coming. But this 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: is a team that you know, they really debilitate you 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: to start the game. They start out with drives and 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: then it feels like you're playing catch up. But you 100 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: know that running game, the passing. The thing is that 101 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: people have a problem with. If Lamar Jackson looked better 102 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: with his throwing motion, I don't think anybody would have 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: a problem with Lamar Jackson. It feels like they're going, yeah, 104 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he throws it. I mean there 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: are guys who have had different throwing motions. They're guys 106 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: who look great with their throwing motion, they don't always 107 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: set who they're throwing to. But Lamar Jackson is more 108 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: of a side on. It feels like he is. He's 109 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: that pitcher who can deliver it in a couple of 110 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: different angles. But I don't look at it. I like 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: to look at it and go where did he throw 112 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: it to? Who did he throw it to, Where did 113 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: he throw it to? How tough was that throw? But 114 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: the way he is now, we're nitpicking with Lamar Jackson, 115 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: but it's been a pretty incredible transformation here. Remember the 116 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: Chargers figured him out. They had the blueprint last year 117 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. We're still looking for that blueprint this year. 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: And that's not to say that Andy Reid or Bill 119 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: O'Brien or Bill Belichick won't come up with something because 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: he had seven starts last year, so you had a 121 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: sample size there. But also he was figuring out who 122 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: he is and what that offense could be. But getting 123 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: mark Ingram I think was a brilliant move and that's 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: one that's probably not talked about enough. Thirteen carry seventy 125 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: six yards, you know, five yards per carry. You know, 126 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the great part of it. It's almost like 127 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: when you watch Army play football. You gotta you know, 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: three or four guys you got to count on, and 129 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: you got that read option there and that guy who 130 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: runs up the middle at some point breaks it and 131 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: mark Ingram has been great. You know, this is a 132 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: guy who has been around, he's been a thousand yard rusher. 133 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: But that was impressive last night. I know it's the Jets. 134 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: The defense is good and I think getting better and better. 135 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: But Lamar Jackson five touchdown passes thirty three on the year, 136 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: and that ties him with Vinnie as Diverti for the 137 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: most touchdown passes in a single season in Ravens franchise history. 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Not long ago where we looked at the Ravens who 139 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: went they're up there on the total pole of most 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: boring teams. We used to make fun of the Ravens 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and you know that they were guaranteed to get like 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: seventeen points. You know they'd win seventeen thirteen. Now they're 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: high potent offense here. Now the Flacco era is long 144 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: gone here, but this is a team that they're gonna 145 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: have home field advantage. It looks like. And now you 146 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: know the Kansas City and I know that we brought 147 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: this up at the beginning of the year, or once 148 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson started to have some success. Would you rather 149 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes And at the time 150 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I should why take Patrick Mahomes? And I would still 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: take Patrick Mahomes, believe it or not, because I think 152 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: what Patrick Mahomes is doing is sustainable. I don't need anything. 153 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: It's less risk for me, and it feels like that's 154 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: more sustainable Lamar. There's still that moment though, whenever he 155 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: runs and you hold your breath. You know, I don't 156 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: worry as much about Patrick Mahomes and I think Mahomes 157 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: they're both great. Mahomes. It feels like that is something 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: that he can continue to do. Lamar will defenses figure 159 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: him out. You know. The key is you have to 160 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: have weapons. How's your offensive lines? You have weapons. Mahomes 161 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: has a good offensive line and he has weapons, and 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: he's got a good offensive minded head coach and Andy Reid. 163 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: But if you said I could have either one, absolutely 164 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm fun. I'd sign up for it. It's just the 165 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Ravens went all in and said, we're creating an offense 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: around you. The Chiefs did that too. I mean, both 167 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: of these teams, you know, said goodbye to veteran quarterbacks. 168 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: Alex Smith was a very good quarterback. I mean he 169 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: wasn't great. He's not a Hall of Famer, not trans 170 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: send it, but he was very good. Joe Flacco had 171 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring. But those coaches, those front offices, offices, 172 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: and those owners said, Okay, we'll build it around these players. 173 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: And both of those teams have Houston's trying to do 174 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: that with Deshaun Watson. But Deshaun Watson to me, is 175 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: more Mahomes. Should be more Mahomes than Lamar Jackson, because 176 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: I do worry about Deshaun Watson. Yeah, he tries to 177 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: keep a play alive, and you know he's not Lamar Jackson. 178 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: But then who is this program brought to you by 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: the great folks that True Car. 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As for the Cowboys, 190 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: there's a whole lot at stake there. And as I 191 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: told you a couple of days ago, the source told 192 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: me that it's one thing that the Cowboys are interested 193 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: in Urban Meyer. I wanted to know if Urban Meyer 194 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: was interested in the Cowboys, and I was told yes 195 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: that Urban realized, according to my source, that he was 196 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: being viewed as toxic for a college job, I think 197 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: in particular the USC job. Therefore, he's interested in if 198 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: he's coming back to coach, that he'd be coming back 199 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: and coaching the Cowboys. That was the interest level, Yes, Paulis. 200 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: It's also interesting that the Eagles kind of control of 201 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: the situations. The Eagles keep winning and can knock the 202 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys out. Eagles had the Redskins at the Redskins this 203 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: weekend should be easily winnable for the Eagles. Should be 204 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: should be, I mean they kind of you know, there's 205 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: only one playoff spot. And then Jason Garrett trying to 206 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: get his team pumped up to face the Rams. He 207 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: showed the highlights of the season. I think he sprinkled 208 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: in highlights from last season as well. That's not a 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: good thing, Like I wanna, I'm gonna remind you guys 210 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: of how great we've been. Wait, we don't have enough highlights, 211 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: all right, just sprinkling something from last year. All of 212 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, I got Troy Hickman throwing a pass him 213 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Like wait, wait, wait, Troy didn't play for the Cowboys, 214 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: but not recently. I need recent highlights in here, Roger 215 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: Starbucks in here in our highlight reel. We'll talk to 216 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: Tim Callishaw about that Doug Flutie, former Heisman winner. He'll 217 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: join us coming up a little bit later on flute. 218 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: He's got to look at today's NFL and go man. 219 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: I was born too early Flutie, now, you know, because 220 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: back then he was too small, they didn't embrace him. 221 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: I think you know, when he was with the Bears, 222 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Mike Ditka didn't like him or didn't like you know, 223 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: you can't have a quarterback who's five ten nowadays, nobody 224 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: cares about that. So games coming up this weekend, of course, 225 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: Army Navy, that's a must. Patriot Bengals got a little 226 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: spicier here. The Bengals are ten point underdogs, Bears, Packers, Texans, Titans, Rams, Cowboys, Bills, Steelers. 227 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: So you know, now we have play in games here. 228 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: It feels like the playoffs are starting this weekend for 229 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 1: some of these teams, and the Bills and Steelers, you 230 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: know they're battling for that playoff spot. So McLevin, give 231 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: me your juicy Heisman question. I have a question. First, 232 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: wait a question before your question. If if Lamar Jackson 233 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: has an unorthodox throwing style, who is the guy that 234 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: has the perfect throwing style? And then you have to 235 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: playing who's the guy that you look at is like wow, 236 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: that's how the prototypical throw football. The name and jumped 237 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: to my mind was Drew bledsoe um no, Aaron Rodgers. 238 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: But Rogers came in the league. They said he has 239 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: the wrong throwing style. Remember that's he had the Jeff 240 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: heckerd He kept the ball up by his ear. They 241 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: do high. They had to totally redo him. No, but 242 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying right, now right now, Okay, I would go 243 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes. I'm looking at how effortless. I 244 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: think Joe Namo and Warren Moon through as good a 245 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: deep ball as I've ever seen, and there was there 246 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: was this effortless feel to them. There are certain quarterbacks 247 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: where you feel like they're throwing a shot put or 248 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: it really looks like they're struggling. You know, Michael Vick 249 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: threw a great deep ball, he just wasn't a great thrower. 250 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: You know, they're guys who have strong arms. Randall Cunningham 251 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: had a strong arm, John Elways a strong arm. You know, 252 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: Joe Montana didn't have a strong arm. Steve Young didn't 253 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: have a strong arm. But they had the ability they 254 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: had touched. And I'd rather have a quarterback who had 255 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: touched that ability to sense your movement to throw you open. 256 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, we think that with Josh Allen's got 257 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: he's got a cannon. You don't always need a cannon. 258 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: You need a baby gun sometimes would help out. But 259 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: these guys, I'm gonna throw it right through you. I 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: don't need that. Yes, m I odd to the real point. Okay, 261 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: I'll give you one Heisman vote for all the college 262 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: football you've seen, and you can pick one Heisman Trophy winner. 263 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm opening up the field to everybody and you you 264 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: can populate the poll with who you want. O. Wait, 265 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: this is all time, either all time or we clip 266 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: it in nineteen eighty or something that we've nineteen eighty 267 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: five or something we've all seen. It's gotta be somebody 268 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: you've seen. So it's the question the single best college 269 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: football player we've ever seen? Yes, Like they're all in 270 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: a room and they've got to give out one trophy. 271 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: Do you give whatever you reward a Heisman winner? For 272 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: you reward this person for Heisman? Yeah? See, so this 273 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be a dumb question. But this has to 274 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: be a former Heisman winner, right Like, it can't be 275 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: somebody that we think got robbed. No, I don't know. 276 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: That'd be amazing if that is the answer. I you know, 277 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: it's funny. There's one person that jumped into my head 278 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: and I think, hold on, yeah, we'll chease it. We'll 279 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: chease it. So I got one vote there. I got 280 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: a question. Do you think you should vote for the 281 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: first image that pops in your head? Is that the answer? 282 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Or should you actually think on this topic? And I know, well, 283 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: we rarely think on topic, right, So I'm kind of 284 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: going with the first person that popped into my head. 285 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: There was one name that immediately came into my head, 286 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and I'm almost embarrassed to say it out loud. Okay, 287 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: well you'll say it out loud and embarrass yourself. Coming 288 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: up in a couple of minutes here, Yeah, I have 289 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: a name that came to mind when you said, you know, 290 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: who's that one player you saw and you said, that's 291 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the best player I ever saw. Age seven seven three 292 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: d P show email address DPA dan Patrick dot com. 293 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: Got some holiday meat Friday songs to play for you. 294 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: A few of those coming up. Got our play of 295 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: the Day stat of the day. Interesting numbers on you know, 296 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is older than Lamar Jackson. Troy Aikman brought 297 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: that up last night during the broadcast. Joe Burrow, I 298 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: think he's twenty three. He turned twenty three on Tuesday. 299 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: That's twenty eight days before Lamar Jackson will turn twenty 300 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: three on January seven. Whoa da good day? Last Dad 301 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: of good Day? Dad of good Day? Here comes that? 302 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: What Dad of the Day It's happened just twice before 303 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: that the Heisman winner was older than that season's NFL MVP. 304 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty seven, Jim Brown was the MVP of the 305 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: NFL at twenty one years of age. John David Crow, 306 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: Texas A and M was twenty two when he won 307 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: the Heisman. In two thousand, Chris Winky was twenty eight. 308 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: Marshall Falk was twenty seven. All right, so we'll come back. 309 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: We'll come up with an answer to that poll question. 310 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: A few other things to get to. We'll check him 311 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: with Tim Kalishaw. When's Kalishaw joining us? Todd, He's gonna 312 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: join us in the final hour, Okay, final hour. Doug 313 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: Flutie will join us, coming up in an hour from now. 314 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: And your phone calls are always welcome. It's sixteen after 315 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: the This is the Dan Patrick Show. 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I was mentioning how the Ravens they start 361 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: out and it just feels like, you know, they dominate 362 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: you from the beginning, and I was wondering what the 363 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: stats are for the Ravens scoring a touchdown on each 364 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: of their first three drives. They've done that four times 365 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: this season. That's the most by any team in the 366 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: last forty years. They score touchdowns on each of their 367 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: first three drives. They've done that four times this year. 368 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: You can't get out from underneath that because then all 369 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you don't make Lamar Jackson one dimensional. 370 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: They get out in front of you. The defense has 371 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: helped out because now they've made you a little bit 372 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: more one dimensional. But you know, just another way that 373 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: the Ravens get out in front of you. How many 374 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: games have they want? So they won ten in a row. Mclovin. Yeah, 375 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: they were two and two, I believe, and now they're 376 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: twelve and two. I still go back to that Brown's loss, 377 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: like that's the one where and it feels like every 378 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: year even a great team has one of those games, 379 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: like when the when the Dolphins beat the Patriots and 380 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: you go, how did that happen? And then you win 381 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Now, the Ravens had that game against 382 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: the Browns, and the Browns looked like they were the 383 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: team to beat in the AFCA. You know, I feel 384 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs were kind of where the Ravens were 385 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: at this point last year, and the Patriots were down 386 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: just like they are down now last year. Like I 387 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: remember coming into that game, remember they've had the Chargers 388 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: their home, we weren't sure that the Patriots were still 389 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the Patriots or am I imagining that. It feels like 390 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: the Ravens are a little better than the Chiefs were 391 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: at this point, but not much. The Chiefs had every 392 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: angle to get in last year. Well, we still questioned 393 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: their defense with the Chiefs, but the offense was so 394 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: good that we felt like they're gonna they're gonna outscore you. 395 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: And you know what, they almost eliminated the Patriots by 396 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: you know that it was going to be a great 397 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: play by the defense turned out to be a bad 398 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: play by the defense off sides and that you know, 399 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: took away the interception there. You know, the Chiefs defense 400 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: is getting better, it's just their offense isn't what it 401 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: was the previous year where the Ravens. It feels like 402 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: the offense is better this year and that defense has 403 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: gotten better every single week as well. Yeah, mcglevin also 404 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: in them all kind of tatiens. You picked them for 405 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: the people. The Chargers had a better team than the 406 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Patriots last year. They were twelve and four, but the 407 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: stupid seating system made them go out to Foxboro and 408 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: vis round the Chiefs had if that game was in 409 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: wherever they played last year. Lah, I don't know that 410 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: the Patriots could beat the Chargers necessarily, so it kind 411 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: of all worked out. Uh, few was starts before you 412 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: win an MVP? Now, I'm just talking about quarterback in position? 413 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: What's the fewest starts? How many how many starts did 414 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: Mahomes have in h Did he have just one? Did 415 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: he come in for Alex Smith? Right? And then he 416 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: had sixteen starts? Yeah? So Patrick Mahomes is second all 417 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: time seventeen starts before winning his first MVP. Lamar Jackson 418 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: will have twenty three starts, Okay, but there's someone who 419 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: had only sixteen starts before winning his first MVP. It's 420 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: just a quarterback. It is a quarterback. Dan Marino is 421 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: up there with twenty five starts, Kin Stabler, but only 422 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: one person did it faster than Mahomes the first starts. 423 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: When I tell you the answer, you'd be like, oh, 424 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: I got it recent twenty years ago, twenty years ago, 425 00:22:53,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: exactly twenty years exactly twenty years ago, Kurt Warner, Oh 426 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: I got it. I didn't get it. I wouldn't have 427 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: guessed it. I didn't know how many starts had he 428 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: had prior to coming in for Trent Drink. He had 429 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: not started again, No, and then he came in during 430 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: the season. All sixteen starts were his that year because 431 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: remember Trent Krink got Internet in the preseason, right, and 432 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: then they said, well the scene's over. Kurt warrens form 433 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: Iowa Barnstormers coming in and then he just let it 434 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: up in So Lamar Jackson is going to be second 435 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: on that list. Uh No, Mahomes had seventeen, right, and 436 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: then jacksonly third all time. May yes, Levin. I try 437 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: to think Marino did it pretty early in his career too, 438 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: but I think that was his second year. Did he 439 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: start all this first year, don't? I don't think he started. 440 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: I think was Don Strock of Woodley. Yep, Don Strock 441 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: may have started then Marino came in. By the way, 442 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: check out the DP show app, the all the gifts 443 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: we have Christmas you gotta place your order by December eighteenth, 444 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: and you're gonna love what we have there. Great prices there. 445 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: We got the one of a kind RCI designed long 446 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: sleep DP Show T shirt. If you're a fan of 447 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: watching the show, then you know what Arci did with 448 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: the mank certainly the basketball area there. He's the street 449 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: artist who did all of those great renderings Tom Brady 450 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: and Shack and Lebron, James, Babe Ruth. He did all 451 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: of those and actually did those in eleven days. But 452 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: he did a RC design long sleeve T shirt that 453 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: you can get in time for the holidays. All right, 454 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: give me your question there, McLevin. Okay, you get an 455 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: all time Heisman vote. Who should we put? Say? Well, 456 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: let's do five names. We can fit more if we 457 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: need to. Who would go on that poll? All right? 458 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: And the question too, is you do you limit to 459 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: a time? Because none of us saw OJ Simpson live, 460 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: but see I would say O J. Simpson because that 461 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: he and I think, you know, being younger, it stood 462 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: out because I had not seen a football player like that, 463 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: and when I saw OJ play against Ohio State, I 464 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: was just seeing something, you know. Gail Stairs was similar 465 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: when he was with the Bears, but I was seeing somebody. 466 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: And Jim Brown was a great running back, obviously, but 467 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: there was more force to him, more power to him. 468 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: As far as grace and power. O. J. Simpson was unbelievable, 469 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: so I would say him. But I'm older than you guys, 470 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: so OJ would probably come to mind. Well, let's go 471 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: around the room, Paulie, I'll start with you. First name 472 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: that went in my head and I stuck with it 473 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: after doing some research. At Herschel Walker, Georgeeka three years, 474 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: everybody knew he was getting the ball. Everybody knew it. 475 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: He was the only weapon they really had. Sixteen hundred yards, 476 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: nineteen hundred yards, eighteen hundred yards. He outrushed his quarterbacks, 477 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: passing all three years. His last year in college seventeen 478 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: hundred yards. The team only passed for nine hundred and seven. 479 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: Everybody who was getting the ball, who was the face 480 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: of the sport, herschel Walker. But he didn't get the 481 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: heisman in his first year when I thought he deserved. 482 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: You could have given the heisman to Herschel a couple 483 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: of times. That's right, I mean, but you're right. I mean, 484 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: we all think of that play, that run against Tennessee 485 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: when Bill Bates tries to tackle him and it doesn't 486 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: go well. I saw Herschel in person in college at 487 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: a game in Athens, and once again you're seeing somebody 488 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: that big, that's fast, and you know this was the 489 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: precursor to Bo Jackson. And then you saw Bo and 490 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Bo is an even better athlete than Herschel and more 491 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: explosive than Herschel because Herschel didn't have any real wiggle 492 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: to him. Bow could beat you. He could beat up 493 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: the middle, and he could beat you on the edge 494 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: as well. But if it's not O. J. Simpson, for me, 495 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: it would have been Bo Jackson. Yeah, pol I was 496 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: in on Bo Jackson. But Bo Jackson had like a 497 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: season with twelve hundred yards. Then as junior, you remember 498 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of thigh injuries and sat basically 499 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: a lot of games and four and seventy five yards. 500 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: Then he came back and had eighteen nutty yards and 501 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: put a bow on his screen. The other guy would 502 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: have said would have been Barry Sanders. But he did 503 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: it for one Year's one year with the nuttiest Yeah, 504 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: but it's one year. I was really fortunate because I 505 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: became friends with Barry his junior year at Oklahoma State 506 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: and did a feature on him and stayed well, still 507 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: in touch with Barry Sanders. You know, we look at 508 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson how he deflects any praise. Barry never got praise, 509 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: even from his own dad, because his dad would always 510 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: remind Barry Sanders, You're not Jim Brown. And so Barry 511 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: just grew up realizing he would never be the best 512 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: running back in his dad's eyes because his dad would 513 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: remind him, You're no Jim Brown, to which Barry said, 514 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: I know, I know Jim Brown. But I was there 515 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: when when Bow Jackson won his heisman. I covered that, 516 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: and I remember he had such a stutter, like he 517 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable in front of the media. He since got 518 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: the you know, a whole lot better, but I remember 519 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: that was the thing that when we were interviewing him 520 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: that I was asked that, you know, you got to 521 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: be patient with him because he has a hard time 522 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: answering questions because of a stutter. Mclovin, what do you 523 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: have for me? Well, then it's finding The name that 524 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: jumped into my head was Tim Tebow immediately, m really 525 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: just because he encapsulated a lot of what the Heisman 526 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: is about. You know, it's all the cliches, but like 527 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: the speech. Two titles, the other one, the other one 528 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: that jupped my headcase. He won two titles and I 529 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: just had to look it up he did with the 530 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: Eisber was Tommy Frasier with Nebraska when I was into 531 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: college football. He was in total control. I think he 532 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: might be the greatest winner at that position he did. 533 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he won the award, no, no, no, 534 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying the greatest p because I think from his 535 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: freshman year, like all four years in Nebraska, Tommy Frasier 536 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: was spectacular. He was one of those what do you 537 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: need me to do each game? And he gave it 538 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: to you and he was just slippery. Yes, a couple 539 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: of Vince Young Rose Bowl year was crazy if you 540 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: do one year and Cam Newton, But I don't think 541 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: you remember much about Bench Young except for the Rose 542 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: Bowl one game. Yeah, I know that's what I I 543 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: think he had like an insane year too, Yes he did. 544 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: That was the greatest performance. And Cam Newton's one year. 545 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: I remember this. He could not be stopped in any way, 546 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: shape or form. But I remember that one is we 547 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be suspended and that hung 548 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: over the whole thing. Yeah, we were. We were on 549 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: campus there for the Georgia game Pauline nine, and we 550 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: didn't know if he was gonna play. Remember he came running. 551 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: No one knew it hadn't been enough and he came 552 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: running out the eagle face with berserk. See you got one. 553 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: The first name that popped into my mind was Tim Tebow. Okay, yeah, 554 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: and uh it seems kind of obvious. Maybe there's some 555 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: recency bias there. Yeah, um, but yeah, basically for everything 556 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Andrew just said, there's no denying his impact on college 557 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: football and the force that he was. I would say 558 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Manziel over Tebow because Manzielle to me, was a he 559 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: was a weekly highlight reel. Tebow didn't give you great highlights. 560 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: He great you know, he was on a great team 561 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: and gave you great numbers and really epitomizes what you wanted. 562 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: A Heisman Trophy winner absolutely, and Manziel probably doesn't. But 563 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Manziel every single week that was musty TV. And while 564 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: Florida was musty TV because you were watching future pros, Manziel, 565 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: you were watching something you'd never seen before. Yeah. Yeah. 566 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: The next name that popped into my head though, was 567 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: a guy who didn't get the Heisman though, which is 568 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: where it came from. And I have no idea why 569 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: he I mean, I know he made a big impact 570 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: on me as a kid thinking about him. But rocket Ishmael, 571 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: he was just unbelievable and he was I was, I 572 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe eleven, twelve years old, and I remember 573 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: watching him against Michigan, ran two back, just going nuts, 574 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: going absolutely bersark, getting the cover of Sports Illustrated. He 575 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: lost the tide Detmer, which is no doubt he deserved 576 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: the Heisman, but man, it would have been pretty sweet too. 577 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: That was a special, special thing. And I also think 578 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: when you're younger, it's there's more of an impact, whereas 579 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: if you get older, you're not as invested, you may 580 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: not have a team that you follow, You're you're a 581 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: little more jaded. Just the excitement of waiting for every 582 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: kickoff to see like, all right, is he gonna do it? Yeah? 583 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: You waited on every single one to see like, Okay, 584 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: this is it, He's gonna go yeah. And if you 585 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: think about it, rocket Ismail was one flag away from 586 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: having the greatest ending to a career, maybe any career. 587 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: He had a punt return against Colorado, Colorado's number one, 588 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: Notre Dame's number five. They're in the mix because that's 589 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: when they judged. Yeah, Notre Dame and rocket Ismail. They 590 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: didn't kick it out of bounds, they kicked it to 591 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: him and there was a flag just a few feet 592 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: away from the play. I think Ted Johnson got clipped 593 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: or rocket Ismail punt returns a game winning touchdown to 594 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: win a national title? Was that, Bill McCartney. Yeah, I 595 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: want to say that's when I learned with clipping the 596 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: hell that terrible call, Todd, you got one. I initially 597 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: thought herschel of Bo Jackson, but I think Eddie George 598 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: is a name but should definitely be included in the 599 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: list of Oh he didn't have anything exciting. I thought 600 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: he had. I thought he had some huge runs p 601 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Ohio State. I thought he was dominant, but he wouldn't 602 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: buy de fault that yet. He was a great running back, 603 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: but I don't think there was anything spectacular about him, 604 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: like John Brockington was a great Ohio State running back. 605 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: But you know, I just think because of that position 606 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: at that University. The running back was going to be 607 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: featured there. Yeah, pa Eddie George did have fifteen hundred yards, 608 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: then nineteen hundred yards and activack seasons. He was great. 609 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: I just there was nothing memorable about his style. Yeah. 610 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: When I grew up, the first play like or Seaton 611 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: saw a person. I was watching a Michigan Purdue game 612 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: and I was probably ten years old and Michigan had 613 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: a watcher year named Anthony Carter. He was number one. 614 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: He was bone thin, he wore no kneepads, he had 615 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: like the rollups before they had the rollups, and he 616 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 1: just unleashed the fury on Purdue and just crushed him. 617 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know who this guy is, 618 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: but I love him. He was so thin and he 619 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: never got bigger. I remember covering him in the USFL 620 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: and you're on and the Vikings and you go, how 621 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: does that guy survive out there? Joe Burrow is gonna 622 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: win the Heisman Trophy. The question is what's less in doubt, 623 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow. Is it a tie? Right? Well, 624 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: it feels like Joe Burrow's going to run away with it. 625 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Is Lamar Jackson going to run away with this. I 626 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: actually don't think Lamar call lose it at this point. 627 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's all over. He could even have two 628 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: average games with a loss. But is he going to 629 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: have I don't know what the largest margin of victory 630 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: for the MVP is. Do we even keep track of that? 631 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: Have we had a unanimous NFL MV pick. I'm not sure. 632 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know who votes for it? Is an 633 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: ap NFL MVP had some years, we don't even take 634 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: notice of it, right, No, it's become more of a 635 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: thing lately. But it used to be like, oh, we'll 636 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: give it to Brady, ah, we'll give it to Manning, 637 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: who knows, you know? But OJ has the largest margin 638 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: of victory, and then it's Troy Smith over Darren Fadden, 639 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: Charlie Ward over Heath Schuler, Desmond Howard over Casey Weldon, 640 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: and Ricky Williams over Michael Bishop who played at k State. Yes, 641 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: a fifty possible votes for MVP last year. Patrick Mahomes 642 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: got forty one, Drew Brees got nine. That's pretty overwhelming. Yeah, ton, 643 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: I think Burrow would be more of a lance let 644 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: also because they're done and he can only go down 645 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: from here. It's like that student that has like all a's, 646 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: you know, could he even do better than he could? 647 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: Only slip a little bit over these next three weeks, 648 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: and what if a Russell Wilson or someone just does 649 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: something incredible over these next year It's just a shortened 650 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: the margin a little bit. There was a great moment 651 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: last night, mark Ingram Heisman Trophy winner interviewing Lamar Jackson 652 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner after the game. This is where Aaron 653 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Andrews did this smart thing. She gave the microphone to 654 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: mark Ingram. And mark Ingram has been Lamar Jackson's biggest cheerleader. 655 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like their traveling team, those two together. 656 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: And here is mark Ingram interview Lamar Jackson after they 657 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: won the division. Man, you broke Mike Biggs Russian record 658 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: man due to ANC North champions for the second year 659 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: in a row. How I feel, Man, Tell me how 660 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: I feel? I am freaky. We got a lot of 661 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: season up the Bay and we got we got two 662 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: more on brand as the hangoff. So you're telling me 663 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: the story unwritten, unwritten written on the book I offinited right. 664 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: Congratulations brother on wreck and Mike Thick record and being 665 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: the goat the MVP that you are. It's like the 666 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: straight man and the comedian. There. Lamar Jackson's twenty two, 667 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: just ready to turn twenty three. I mean that's amazing, 668 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Like he has composure. Uh, it's not about him, but 669 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: the other thing. And we'll talk about this, you know 670 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: after the commercial break here we got our play of 671 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: the day coming up. We're the Ravens, the one team 672 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: that the geniuses who understood how great Lamar Jackson was 673 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: because they almost didn't draft him in the first round. 674 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: And if it wasn't the Ravens, who would have taken 675 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's Talk about that coming up next year on 676 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick Show. Hey, listeners, just wanted to take 677 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: a minute to thank all our great sponsors and all 678 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: of you great listeners for supporting this podcast. 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But that entire 743 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: team was, that offense was It was musty TV. Yeah, 744 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of and a lot of this has 745 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: to do with when you grew up, and you know 746 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: when I was growing up. You didn't get to see 747 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: all of the teams. You might see them one time. 748 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: And growing up in Ohio, I saw Ohio State football 749 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 1: and didn't realize at the time, but when somebody says 750 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: three yards in a cloud of dust is your game plan? 751 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like yeah, and then all of a sudden, 752 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: you go, no, that's so damn boring. And when I 753 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: saw USC with Oj Simpson and I went, oh, oh, oh, 754 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: we're in trouble. And OJ was that first. And Jim 755 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: Brown you know when he ran but I didn't see 756 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: him at Syracuse, but when he was with the Cleveland Browns. 757 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: But OJ was probably that guy because of the age 758 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: that I was watching and I'd seen something for the 759 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: first time, something that was different in college football. Heap 760 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: one guy that really stands out to me. He only 761 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: played one year really of college football, one and a 762 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: half years. Marcus Duprie at Oklahoma. He was just after 763 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: Herschel Walker and right around the time with Bo Jackson. 764 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: He was six three, two thirty and ran fast like 765 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: he was had like track speed. And he's the one 766 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: guy who I said, oh, even Herschel didn't do that. 767 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: And there's only one year though. Basically, yeah, Pritchie just 768 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: sent me the least deserving Heisman winners. It's a little 769 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: mean spirit. Do we want to do that today? It's 770 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I don't mind being on the 771 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: list if I want to Heisman Trophy. Doesn't feel like 772 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: whenever somebody says, well, he's no Gino Torretta, like Gino 773 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: Torretta won he wasn't the best player on his own 774 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: team Miami in nineteen whatever ninety two. But if I'm 775 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: looking at this list here, it feels like Jason and White. 776 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't he come up? Is he tops on the least 777 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: deserving Heisman winners? Right? There is this list, though tainted 778 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: with the fact that they didn't have great pro careers, 779 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: and that steeps into what they did in college. Yes, 780 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: because Jason White crushed it. But Paul hornings on this list, 781 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: and Paul Horning the Golden Boy, although he never deserved that. 782 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: They won I think two games that year at Notre 783 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: Dame they were two and eight, and he won Jim Brown. 784 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: Paul Horning should have should have run to give the 785 00:41:53,480 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: Heisman to Jim Brown that year, man, and I forgot 786 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: all about it. I mean, Jim Brown was great. He 787 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: finished fifth in the Heisman that year. Let me see 788 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: Gary Beeban at UCLA in nineteen sixty seven. Remember I 789 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: remember launching Gary Beeban Archie Griffin nineteen seventy five, arch 790 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: one at back to back year seventy four and seventy five. 791 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: But I'm always curious. I thought Ricky Bell usc deserved 792 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: it one of those years. I thought Ricky Bell was 793 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: he was awesome. He had almost two thousand yards. He 794 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: was great. So Ricky Bell lost to Archie Griffin. The 795 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: following year he lost to Tony Dorset when Pittsburgh won 796 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: that national title. There Gino Terretta is on there. I'm 797 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: always curious who lost in the like Marshall Fall, right, 798 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: But wasn't Marshall a freshman that year? And that would 799 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: drive me creat and well, you can't give it to 800 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: a freshman. I was like, is he the best college 801 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: player in America? Had a three hundred fifty yards in 802 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: a game as a freshman. Yeah, Marshall Fall deserved the 803 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. Eric Crouch at Nebraska when he won he 804 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: was really good. I mean, I mean there was there 805 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: was a Manzille Field to Eric Croutch that he he 806 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: rushed for a thousand yards and he threw for fifteen 807 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: hundred yards. I mean he Rex Grossman did. Rex Grossman 808 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: finished runner up for the Heisman that year. Does that 809 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 1: sound right? Yeah? Point Eric Crouch got helped out because 810 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: he had a great moment. He caught a touchdown pass 811 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: for a long play and also had like a ninety 812 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: five yards scramble. He had a couple of big plays 813 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: on national television that put him over the top. Mark 814 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: Ingram won the Heisman. I voted for Toby Gerhart that year. 815 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: Toby Garhart rushed for eighteen hundred yards at stand for 816 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: twenty eight touchdowns. But that I think is that the 817 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: closest vote ever leads over Toby Gerhart. Yeah, I think so. 818 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: But you could say that and dominicans. Who was best 819 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: player in college football that year? That year Charles Woodson. 820 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: When Charles Woodson won the Heisman, that's when Peyton didn't 821 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: win it, Charles Woodson got it. Trying to think if 822 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean Charles Woodson, they're both Hall of famers if 823 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: you're factoring that in, like Tim Brown won with Notre 824 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: Dame in nineteen eighty seven, I guess he's also on 825 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: that list, trying to think who else Lorenzo White at 826 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: Michigan State, Craig Ironhead, Hayward at Pittsburgh they were really good. 827 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: Furman Thomas at Oklahoma State was really good that year. 828 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: But Jason and White, I don't know if he's probably 829 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: number one on the list he wanted at Oklahoma. Larry 830 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and Eli Manning, those were the guys who were competing. 831 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if there was like we didn't 832 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: know how great Larry Fitzgerald was, if we if we 833 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: looked at it now, king back, you'd go, well, you 834 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: give it to Larry Fitzgerald. He's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, 835 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm the cluban. Now my system argument comes in with 836 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: a why of these guys, starting with Jason White. First 837 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: of all, he was doing against big twelve defenses. He 838 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: had forty touchdowns of ten picks. But at that offense, 839 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: everybody did they were attorney. Well, wait, so Baker shouldn't 840 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: get it and Kyler shouldn't get it. Wow, that's what 841 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: you're saying. No, no, no, I mean Baker. With Kyler's successes, 842 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: there's a big part of that's Lincoln Riley. I a 843 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: thousand percent commits to that. I mean, I don't even 844 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: got a hot take that. Yeah, it's it can't be coincidence. 845 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: There were two Oklahoma transfer quarterbacks to win the Heisman 846 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: and a third who's it fourth this year? But I 847 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: mean it could at Jason White, even Crofts to some extent, 848 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: Troy Smith, Like a lot of these guys were in 849 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: like these great systems, these spread offenses. I don't know 850 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: Troy Smith back. He's been shong the best player to 851 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: never win the Hunsman. He didn't win. He threw for 852 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: three thouands in yards, he rushed for one thousand in yards, 853 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: and that's when Reggie Bush beat him. Oh, they have 854 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: thirty eight total touchdown Hayton's got to be in there 855 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: about Don Sanders, Jim Brown, Hey joining here. 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