WEBVTT - Mark Rober: Feeling Stuck in a Rut? Use THIS Simple 3- Step Method Engineers Use to FINALLY Turn Your Ideas Into Reality! 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.920 If you're not breaking stuff, it means like you're not 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.840 really testing the limits. And then when you fail, you 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.960 don't internalize it like home a failure, it's like, oh great, 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.360 we just learned one more way not to do a thing. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.680 Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.520 come to become a happier, healthier and more healed. My 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.439 guest today is Mark Roba, engineer, YouTuber and one of 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.520 the most creative minds online, whose experiments and inventions have 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.960 inspired millions to fall in love with science and curiosity again. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.360 In this episode, we explore how to stay creative, turn 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.080 failure into fuel, and reconnect with the sense of wonder 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.839 we often lose as adults. Please Welcome to on Purpose, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.960 Mark Roba. Mark, it is great to have you here. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.080 Congratulations on your incredible success. Thank you, and I'm excited 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:50.080 to dive into your mind. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.320 So good to be here. Let's do it. Are you 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.120 going to make me cry? 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.800 Jay? Are you a crier? 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.440 I can't get emotional. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.680 I'm the crier in my relationship with you the crier 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.640 in your real I am well, we both kind of. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.240 How long have you been together now? 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.520 Yeah? Over a year overy, but that feels like relationship wise, 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.280 we it happened fast. I mean as an adult you 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.760 know what you want, right, and so it feels like 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.199 seven years and dog years relationship. It's been seven years 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:18.680 for the one. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.959 I love it. I love it well. If you're allowed 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.000 to cry here, definitely, but no, no pressure. No, we 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.160 don't want any acting too. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.960 I'm a terrible actor, So your luck. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.160 I love it. I want to start off just by like, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.320 the first question I have for you is what's the 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.560 earliest childhood memory you have that you feel defines who 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.160 you are today. Is there a moment, a friend, an 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.600 experience from school growing up that you're like, that is 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.520 why I am the way I am. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.840 I think it's a finding moment, one that sticks out. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.480 I feel like, so my mom was was out of 0:01:55.520 --> 0:02:00.640 the gate. You're gidding me talking about my mom. My 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.520 mom was like had the biggest influence on my life 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.080 by a very comfortable margin. And she was like a 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.920 stay at home mom, Like she barely graduated high school. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.680 But she was just so encouraging of us and like 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.560 trying to turn us into like good humans. And so 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.280 she would encourage just being creative and like out of 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.720 the box thinking and just I remember one time, you know, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.160 and we did chores like as to raise a good human, 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:30.799 Like we had a list of chores from the time 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.080 I was five years old, right, So I was helping 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.840 prepare dinner and I was in charge of doing the salad. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.840 I was cutting the onions and I was like crying 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.880 because I was like, oh, this is a thing. I 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.800 don't like this. So it's like, well, I should go. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.120 I remember upstairs we had these swim goggles. So I 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.040 ran upstairs, got the goggles, not thinking anything of it, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.680 and just kept cutting with onions on. And now I 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.360 know that's like a hack, like people know about this, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.840 but I was like five years old. This was like 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.600 nineteen eighty six, and I just remember her react to that, 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.880 just like she laughed and she's just like no way, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.240 and like the encouragement. She took a picture. We have 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.919 a family picture of it, right, and that's twenty four 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.040 pictures in those days, so if you're taking a picture, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.240 you mean it right, it's on film. And it just 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.640 felt really good to be in this environment where like 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:23.720 that kind of thinking was encouraged that it is always 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.440 stuck with me. And then you know, just growing up, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.959 you know, if I took a part the remote control 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.959 and I couldn't quite get it back together, and like 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.359 I didn't get in trouble for that. It was like, oh, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.320 what are you up to now? Right, it's like what 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.920 are you up to? But it was more celebrated as 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.120 opposed to something that was just overlooked. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.400 Yeah, that's special. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.600 And I feel today like that same feeling of like 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.400 creating content and sharing people and like getting that reaction 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.920 of other people being like, oh man, why did I 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.840 think of that? Like I love hearing that because that 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.360 means it was kind of obvious and he took things, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.800 you know, things especially if I do a build, if 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.720 I could do a junk you have line around your house, 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.520 that's so much better than just like all these technical 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:04.320 solution right. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:04.880 Yeah. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.680 And so that feeling of coming up with an idea 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.840 of sharing with people and getting feedback on it is 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.160 just like it's kind of addictive. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.920 Yeah, that's beautiful and it's amazing when your parents encourage it. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.120 When when was the last time you shared that story 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.719 with your mom? 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:24.360 So interesting story on that Jay, which is that like 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.880 like six months before I made my first YouTube video, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.400 she passed away from als, which I think is like 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.520 kind of a beautiful thing in the sense that you know, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.680 we can all disagree on what happens when you die, right, 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.400 but this idea that like you never know the true 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.240 measure of your impact in this life, right you do? 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:51.640 You know, you interact with other people, even if it's 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.920 just like what do you say when the guy opens 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:55.479 the door for you, you know, or you open the 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.080 door for someone like with her, You know, the channel 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.640 now reaches you know, if seventy two million subscribers and 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.800 like billions of views a month, and none of that 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.080 was on her radar. And like my mission is to 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.720 get kids, you know, everyone, but especially the young folks 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:17.080 stoked about science and education and curiosity because that's what 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.400 she did to me. And this is also how I 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.240 feel about like teachers. They're like seed planners, right, and 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.560 just nobody knows the measure of the full measure of 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.719 their impact. And yeah, so I just think it's really 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.640 sweet that, like, you know, when she passed away, I 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.280 think she felt really good about like the kids she raised, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.080 but like she just didn't know like her direct like 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.960 how she raised me and my siblings is now like 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.160 impacting so many kids and people across the world. So 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:54.080 it's really beautiful, Like that's her version of living on 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.279 and living forever regardless of what you think what happens 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:57.039 after we die. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.400 Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that, man, it's so 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.440 it's so beautiful to hear that as someone who's my 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.560 mom who's still with us, but the impact she had 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.120 on me as well, Like I feel like my mom 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.760 showed me how to love and if anyone ever feels 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.760 loved by me or feels I can create a safe, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.800 loving space for other people, it's because my mom did 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.080 that for me the most difficult of situations and always 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.680 made me feel like I had a shield of love 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.279 around me, and so I've never really had to question 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.120 whether I'm lovable or not, which is just an insane superpower. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.240 And then all that love that you were given just 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.640 spills onto other people, and then I was like, oh, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.840 how are you so loving and thoughtful? And I'm like, oh, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.520 it's my mom. Like it was like my mom just 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.000 gave me so much that it had to spill out 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.400 and spill over into other people. It's actually not me 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.680 and it's something that I hold very deeply as well. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:54.400 And I think moms, dads, teachers, mentors, guides, spiritual leaders, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.880 whoever your family turns to for support of such a 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.240 big impact. And now YouTubers like now you like there 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.120 are so many kids and parents that turned to you 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.400 for your content to inspire their children to think differently. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.080 How do you get a job at NASA? Like I 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.800 just when I when I saw that, when I was looking, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.920 I was like, how do you get a job at NASA? 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.760 Like that sounds like made up stuff? 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.400 I mean, you get lucky first of all, like you know, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.360 my resume was just in a stack of resumes. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.520 And yeah, the interview, What did you do at college? 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.800 So I studied mechanical engineering. Okay, so you had that, yeah, yeah, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.120 so for sure you gotta with an engineering degree, I'll 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.320 give you that. Yeah, and from a good school, from 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.560 a good school, yeah, I did undergrad a UYU grad 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:44.600 school at USC. Yeah, mechanical engineering. Yeah. I remember going in. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.840 There's this old engineer there, Don Bickler, And when you 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.480 interview there, you know, you go into his office, shut NASA, NASA. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.400 This guy's a legend invented like the Rocker Bogy system 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.480 on the rover. And then you just you stay in 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.320 that room for like an hour and he hands you 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.360 a whiteboard, a whiteboard marker, and he just drills you 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.880 on questions and at the end of that he comes 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.720 and kind of offers the verdict. And when I left, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.280 he's like, he's good. Hire him. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.760 So, you know, tell me what the questions are, like, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.120 like what is that? How's that interview? Because I imagine 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:13.720 it's so different from any. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.320 And yeah, I mean they're like technical questions, right, Like 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.360 here's a good one. If you have a fishing boat 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.160 and you have an anchor, and then you take that 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.360 anchor and you throw it overboard, and what happens to 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.760 the water level on the rate lake? Does it go 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.960 up or down? And so it's kind of like a riddle. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.679 But the point is you write out the equations on 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.240 the board, the buoyancy equation, you know, you solve for this, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.280 and then the answer is pretty obvious if you can 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.760 do that. So it's kind of like questions like this, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.880 technical questions, but they're just like rapid fire, one after another. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:48.840 And so then yeah, so I worked at NASSA for 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.720 a decade, ten of those or seven of those working 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.240 on the Mars Curiosity rover. So I have hardware that's 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.200 like on the jetpack that lowers it the ground and 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.439 then also on the top deck of the rover. So 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.439 you designed that, I designed, built, tested, integrated. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.560 How many of you are working on something like that 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:06.400 at the same time. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.200 Yeah, Like it's like probably three thousand people all told, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.880 like have a hand in creating something like the Mars 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:13.240 are over. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:13.959 Wow. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.600 Yeah, but it's cool like to you know, just be 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.240 in the backyard, you know, and you see that one 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.160 thought in the sky that has like the reddish tint, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:23.959 you know, so you know that one's Mars, and you're 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.120 just like, I've like I've touched something that's like on 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.920 that planet and built it and it's it's still working 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.240 ninety million miles away. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:33.960 And where are you based? Do you? 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.560 This was in This is a jet propulsion laboratory, so 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.200 out in Pasadena here, okay? Yeah? 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.160 And how many people work out of there, like. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.720 About five thousand give or take. Oh. Yeah, it was 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.400 so cool. It's like a college campus, just like a 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.960 free exchange of ideas, you know, talk about creativity. Just 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.480 like everything is on the board and it's just this 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.880 engineering mindset of like, you know, we don't know the 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.880 right answer, but heck, we'll just run a ton of 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:01.320 and figure out what it is. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.319 What was the mindset you think you learned from working 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.319 at NASA and the people there that you don't think 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.960 most of us would come across in our daily life. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.040 I think this concept of like thinking like an engineer, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.520 what does that mean? 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.880 Yeah, I had that before. I've also had like think 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.840 like a rocket scientist. I'm like, what does that mean? 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.520 So me? I, in fact, I have a toy company now, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.320 Crunch Labs, where you know, basically it's like a really 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.160 fun toy you get every month and the kids can 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.920 put it together and it teaches the engineering principles what 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.760 makes them work. And on this side of the box, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.600 it says think like an engineer, and the idea there 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.959 is like it means that, like you're not afraid of failure, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.480 and you know you're resilient because you know the failure 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.680 is part of the process, Like the point is to 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.520 break stuff and test it. If you're not breaking stuff, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.920 it means like you're not really testing the limits. And 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.720 then when you fail, it's you don't internalize it like 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.320 oh I'm a failure. It's like, oh great, we just 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.480 learned one more way not to do a thing. You're excited. Right, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.160 it's like, let's try something different. And so I think 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.720 that philosophy applies to life and the challenge. Like toddlers 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.000 are like this, right, Like when they fall, they're not like, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.480 oh I look so dumb, I'm never going to try 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.720 and walk again. Right, It's like they just get up 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.320 and try again, and they're excited to try again. You 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.600 know the kid who's just tinkering his garage and doesn't 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.559 care and it's trying stuff like, that's the kid that's 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.720 just like learning so much. Right, and again, this is 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.080 how you put a rover on Mars. You just break 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.079 stuff and test it and test it and test it 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.320 so you know the limits and now you know exactly 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:34.319 what will work when you go. 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.480 To Mars and what was the purpose of the robot. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.000 So essentially it's just like to go to you know, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.559 we want it's good for humanity if we are a 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:48.320 multiplanetary species. And so it's like this is the precursor 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.600 to like humans going and living on Mars. So basically 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.880 it goes there and says like what's the soil? Like 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.240 could you plant asparagus there? It turns out you can. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.440 Is there water there? Yeah? It turns out there is 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.480 so all these things that we would want to have 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.640 on Mars if we were living there, Like the rover, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.760 you know, how much radiation is there here, So it 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.160 can do a bunch of let us learn the history 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.679 of this planet so that a we can potentially live 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.000 there someday, but b it helps us learn about ourselves. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.559 Part of what we know about global warming is by 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.920 studying Venus, which is basically like runaway global warming. So 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.520 by like studying other areas in the Solar System, we're 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.160 able to learn like more about you know, how Earth 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.319 even came about informed, which helps us to know how 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.880 do we protect it in the future. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.320 Wow, And so wait when you started to get this 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.080 information and data back that you can grow asparagus, there's 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.280 water there. What was the big discovery that the rover 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.960 felt like it achieved that you all walked away with 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.199 and said, oh wow, this was mission accomplished. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.400 I mean with science, like your objectives are always smaller 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.160 than that of like we just want to go there 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.680 and answer whether or not there's water. You know, life 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.640 is always the big one. Like if you can find 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.760 life on another planet, like that's pretty wild because if 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.120 life came to exist twice in our own solar system. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:12.040 You know, then like there must like the universe must 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.160 just be teeming with other forms of life. It's just 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.840 like really fascinating question. Right. Sometimes you don't. You just 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.520 go there to gather the data and then you just 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.679 look for something interesting to come from the data. But 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.120 you don't necessarily know ahead of time. You can have objectives, right, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.520 but I think us just getting closer to live there 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.600 and studying if life did exist there or like always 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.000 some Andea's water they're currently flowing. Those kinds of questions 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.680 are like really interesting with Mars. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.640 Yeah. The reason I'm mining it is for two reasons. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.880 These questions to you is one is I'm fascinated because 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.319 it's so different from any world I've ever lived in, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.880 and so I'm like a kid in a candy shop 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.400 right now, like this yeah cool. And then the second 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.080 side of it is because I think it's a mindset 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.440 thing too, the idea that all of these really smart 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:59.640 people are building something and there isn't this big goaler objective. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.800 There's this idea of we're going to learn and we're 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.840 going to grow, and we're going to figure it out 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.640 and we'll discover something is such a beautiful mindset for life. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.719 Like I think about even with what you were talking 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.240 about with crunch Labs, teaching kids at early age to 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.000 just experiment, play, break live without the goal of like, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.800 oh I have to build I'm sure they I'm sure 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:22.560 crunch slubs. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.840 Yeah, No, you're totally right. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.160 Yeah. It's like that's a great mindset because I feel 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.040 like if you think about all the companies that we 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.800 all use today, they didn't start off saying we're going 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.400 to build a billion dollar company. They just built something 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.280 that helped people and figured it out and pivoted and 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.840 gave us another option. Then one day they were valued 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.360 at billions of dollars. But today there's a pressure I 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.720 feel that people have where it's like if I build 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.680 an app, it has to be a billion dollar app. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.600 If I build a products company, it has to sell 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.640 one hundred million the first year. If I sell apparel brand, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.560 I have to make a million dollar Like I feel 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.320 like we put these goals and objectives and you're actually saying, well, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.560 when we're going to Mas, we're not thinking about those things. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.760 I mean, I completely agree with you, Like, I don't 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.880 love when people expect you to know what you want 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.040 to be when you grow up when you're like sixteen 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.120 years old, Like, nobody ask any adult and if you 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.000 ask them, you know what they're doing. If they knew, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.240 they'd be doing what they're doing now. If they say yes, 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.480 they're totally blind. You Like, nobody knows. And that's just 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.920 the way life is. It's like a river that meanders right. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.240 So it's like my advice if you don't know what 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.320 you want to be and your you know, a teenager 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.280 or something, is like, what do you love to do? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.040 Do you love to draw? Doesn't just dominate it? Just 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.160 draw like crazy and get so good at it. Right, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.160 Maybe you love to write or to tell stories, like, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.720 just do that and then when you do that, like 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.880 then more doors will be open to you. So like 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.200 this is kind of my philosophy with life too. Like 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.560 I've had a lot of left and right turns to 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.520 get me sitting across from you right now. And what 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.360 I do just like whatever is in front of me, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.320 I just give it every single thing I have, and 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.920 I just try and just crush it and learn as 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.720 much as possible. And then when you're done with that, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.000 it's like, all right, now, what are my next options? Right, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.760 and it's usually pretty clear, to be honest, Like, it's 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:09.600 never like I've honestly never had a moment in life, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.760 even quitting NASA to go do YouTube stuff where it's 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.480 like is this the right decision? Is it not? It 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.400 feels pretty clear if you've really committed yourself and then 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.200 you have all the new facts in front of you, right. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.720 Yeah, before we get to that what did you want 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.440 to be when you were a kid, and when people 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.760 ask you that question, that you I want it. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.680 I want it to be. My first job I wanted 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.480 to do was to design play places at McDonald's, you. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.840 Know, like thea I used to love that. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.200 It's like an architect of those I remember, I have 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:41.880 all these drawings. All right, we're gonna start with the 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.840 ball pit. We're gonna go to the nets and now 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.480 crunch slabs. Which is this like actual place I have? 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.720 It's like this WILLI Wonka Factory for Engineering is sort 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.040 of the embodiment of that dream because we have like 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.600 secret passageways. You know, a coke machine opens up into 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.320 a claw machine that you gonna like take a Yeah, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.160 we have like fied like pistons that you slide down. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.080 From basically center. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:10.840 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Like I'm like Willy Wonka free engineering, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.000 Like it has that vibe. Right, It's like a rock 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.679 paper scissor machine that it's a robot that beats you 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.240 every time. A staircase that's an infinite slinky staircase. The 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.520 slinky just goes. So it's like, you know, if you 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.879 can dream it up, then you can build it. Like 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.800 that's the beauty of being an engineer. Is like, if 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.919 something doesn't exist and you want it to exist, you 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.320 could just will it into an existence. What is superpower? 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.800 Yeah, there's this, there's this amazing I mean, this is 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.080 I'm going totally the opposite way, but you're reminding me 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.480 of something beautiful. There's this beautiful verse in Eastern spirituality 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.200 that says the mind moves faster than the gods. And 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.320 the point of it is this idea that the mind 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.280 can create and build and you can visualize. And it's 0:17:55.320 --> 0:18:00.000 based off of this character in Vedic history called vishrak 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.240 Karma who's the architect of the gods. So he builds 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.160 flying palaces and flying cities, but he visualizes it all 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.520 in his head before it becomes manifest. And it's that 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.879 same idea of just like we but you know what 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.600 so interesting is we're talking about that, but we all 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.879 know that it's so natural as a parent to go, okay, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.639 but get a real job, right, So, like you, you 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.080 have this dream of I want to design McDonald's playhouses 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:31.000 or whatever, and then family, friends, expectations, school, everyone goes, yeah, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.919 but get a real job. Like I remember, I was 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.560 a kid who loved graphic design and I love art 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.679 direction and I loved juxtaposition and imagery like that was 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.159 always my I love that. It's always been a passion 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.800 of mine, and my family encouraged it was a good hobby. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.239 Was like, get a real job though. Yeah, I mean 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.400 engineering is such a great skill and such a great job. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.399 But how do you encourage young people and how do 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.760 you think about when you're making content to encourage people 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.640 to live their passion but be pragmatic and what does 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.800 that look like? Because you, yeah, you've kind of pursued 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:01.320 so many things. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.760 I mean, I think it's a yesam situation. Right For example, 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.960 for me, like I worked at NASA for a decade, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.679 then I worked at Apple for five years doing product design. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.560 I didn't quit Apple till I had ten million YouTube subscribers. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.119