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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we explore how to stay creative, turn

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Speaker 2: Mark Roba. Mark, it is great to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on your incredible success. Thank you, and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: So good to be here. Let's do it. Are you

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Speaker 2: I'm the crier in my relationship with you the crier

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Over a year overy, but that feels like relationship wise,

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Speaker 2: it became and it actually proves to you as an individual,

433
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Speaker 2: whether you really love it, if you're doing your evenings,

434
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Speaker 2: you're doing your weekends, you're you're doing it when it

435
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Speaker 2: makes no money, you're doing it when it's inconvenient, and

436
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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, well, if I could do it when

437
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Speaker 2: I was inconvenient, then when it's my full time thing,

438
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Speaker 2: I'm the luckiest person in.

439
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Speaker 1: The world, one hundred percent. And when I started YouTube,

440
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Speaker 1: like in twenty eleven, no one you you could like

441
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Speaker 1: make money off of it, you know what I mean,

442
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: It was like you just did it. Really, it's just

443
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: a passion like I wanted to share these cool ideas

444
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Speaker 1: with people. Now it's like the game has changed so much.

445
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Speaker 2: What was the pivot from NASA to Apple? Why did

446
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: that come about? Why leave NASA?

447
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Speaker 1: Well, actually, for two years I was at a halloween

448
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Speaker 1: costume company Jay before then going to Apple.

449
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Speaker 2: So that's like halloween costume. Yes, the wait, how do

450
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Speaker 2: you get from NASA to a Halloween.

451
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's the better question, which is so my first

452
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Speaker 1: ever YouTube video I went to like a Halloween party

453
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Speaker 1: and I had an iPad on front, an iPad in

454
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Speaker 1: back of me. And if you cut a hole in

455
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Speaker 1: the shirts and you do a FaceTime, gold looks like

456
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Speaker 1: have a hole in your body.

457
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Speaker 2: So you win.

458
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Speaker 1: You wave your hand in the front and the camera

459
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Speaker 1: in the back shows it and that's cool. Again, it

460
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: felt like being five years old cutting onions. People at

461
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: the party were like, this is such a cool costume.

462
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: What a cool idea? How did I not think of that?

463
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Speaker 1: So I went home, I put it on YouTube. And

464
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Speaker 1: my life goal is to be on the Gizmoto, which

465
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: is like an old tech blog.

466
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I remember it.

467
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Speaker 1: And so I made it on the covering his Moto

468
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: and then quickly realized I need more life goals, and

469
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: so I was like, I have more ideas, Like I

470
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: should just do one video a month, And for fourteen

471
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: years now, I've basically uploaded one video a month about

472
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Speaker 1: an engineering build or an idea, and the channel's just

473
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Speaker 1: grown from there.

474
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Speaker 2: How did you get that outfit on the cover of Gizmodo, Well.

475
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Speaker 1: So the YouTube video went up and it went viral,

476
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Speaker 1: so it was on the front page of CNN, like

477
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Speaker 1: it was like on all these outlets covered it, including Gizmoto.

478
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Speaker 1: Got it from there. The one complained was that cool idea, bro,

479
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Speaker 1: But I don't have twelve hundred dollars for Halloween costing

480
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: two iPads, right, And so I was like all right,

481
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Speaker 1: So I came up with an idea for next year

482
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Speaker 1: where it was like a design printed on the shirt,

483
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Speaker 1: like a guy's face or something that was like kind

484
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: of his eye was pulled open and then if you

485
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Speaker 1: cut a hole out for the eyeball and then there's

486
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Speaker 1: a free app an eyeball that moved around her or

487
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Speaker 1: I would have worked great, Jay, then you had a

488
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: really cool Halloween costume for like the price of a

489
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: T shirt called digital DNS. So I've launched that company

490
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Speaker 1: nights and weekends, working all week while making YouTube videos

491
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Speaker 1: and while working at NASA, and it did pretty well.

492
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: So then that did well enough that I sold it

493
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Speaker 1: to some guys in the UK and I went and

494
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: worked for them for two years. Wow, And it's like,

495
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: it's such a right. This is my example. I mean,

496
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: this is this is exactly what I was talking about.

497
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: I have this idea. I thought it was cool, so

498
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: I moonlit nights and weekends, basically bootstrapped the company. And

499
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: then when I launched the video the next year to

500
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Speaker 1: explain what it was that T shirt idea, you know,

501
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: we made our money back in eight hours and then yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: so very meandering.

503
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Speaker 2: dot org, forward slash on purpose. Did you always have

513
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Speaker 2: the ability to turn an idea into action? And how

514
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Speaker 2: what have you learned about that? Right? Like, there's a

515
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: big A lot of people have good ideas, and I'm

516
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: sure you hear all hear them all the time. I

517
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Speaker 2: hear them all the time. People come up to me

518
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Speaker 2: and be like, Joe, I've had this incredible idea on

519
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: build this thing, but then it stops there, it doesn't

520
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: get somewhere. What have you learned about turning ideas into action?

521
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: What's worked for you?

522
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Speaker 1: My superpower is my naive optimism. Like I'm just an

523
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: idiot that thinks I can do it and I don't

524
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: see Like I just feel like, oh, this is so obvious,

525
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: Like I can totally do this. If I knew the

526
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: amount of work it actually would end up being, i'd

527
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: be very discouraged. But I'm just like an idiot. It's like,

528
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could do this, Like I think this

529
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like I see the end goal and so

530
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: then any pitfall that comes along the way, Like I'm

531
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: so focused on this end goal and like that matters, right,

532
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: Like the attitude you have and whether or not you

533
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Speaker 1: believe you think you can do it. So then if

534
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Speaker 1: I think I can do it, then the next step

535
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Speaker 1: is like, let me break this down into all the steps,

536
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Speaker 1: and step one is this, and I'm just going to

537
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Speaker 1: dominate that step and then you know, just kind of

538
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: step through it. It's literally the engineering design process. But

539
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: for ideas and businesses.

540
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Speaker 2: We'll go through the engineering design process. For anyone who

541
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: doesn't know what that is, is like, break that down

542
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: for us, make it simple.

543
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: But I think the idea, it's just like you have

544
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: an end goal, an objective, and break it down into

545
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: the steps and know what you don't know and test

546
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: what you don't know. Is kind of like, you know,

547
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: give your best shot at it. You kind of in

548
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: the engineering Let's say, if I'm designing a piece for

549
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Speaker 1: the Mars Rover, I think, okay, I think it needs

550
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the wheel for the Mars Rover.

551
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I think it needs to probably look like this. I'

552
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Speaker 1: when design it and CAD I analyze it analytically with

553
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Speaker 1: computer programs, but that's not what I fly to Mars.

554
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: I take that and then I build it, and then

555
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: I test it to see if it matches, and then

556
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: sure enough, Oh it does match up. All right, Now

557
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Speaker 1: it's good enough. I've tested it. Now I can fly

558
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: it to march. So I think it's this idea of

559
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: like building iteratively and breaking things like part of designing

560
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Speaker 1: that is, I would make one and I would smash

561
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Speaker 1: it with a bunch of stuff, so I know the

562
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: limits of the wheel. Right. So again we call that

563
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: a failure and others outside of engineering, but we embrace

564
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: that and it's like great, now we know. Now let's

565
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: tweak it and we're gonna. We're gonna now now we

566
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: could build something better. Right. But I think a lot

567
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: of times in life, if you get a bad grade

568
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: on a test, then you internalize I'm not good at math.

569
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Or a relationship fails. You're like, I'm just not good

570
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: at this love thing. Or a business fails, you're like,

571
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not a good businessman. But if you

572
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: if you look at it like an engineer, or even

573
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Speaker 1: like a video game, I think is like a good

574
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Speaker 1: way to do it. Like if you if you frame

575
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Speaker 1: your challenges like a video game, no one no one

576
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Speaker 1: picks up a controller to play a video game and

577
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: falls in a pit let's say Super Mario Brothers or something,

578
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: and thinks I'm a failure, Like I'm embarrassing, I'm terrible

579
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: at video games. No, You're immediately like, oh, shoot, what

580
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: I just learned from that. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna

581
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: jump a little faster. I'm gona run a little faster.

582
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: Jump at You're excited to try again, right, So just

583
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: the framing of it, it turns from fear to curiosity

584
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: where you're like, you want to get up and try

585
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: it again. So if it's like and you know you

586
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: asked me like oh, when you have ideas like I'm

587
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: thinking of it like a video game where it's like

588
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: I want to rescue Princess from bowser. So when I

589
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: get the sliding green turtle shell, which could look like

590
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of different things, I don't internalize that I'm

591
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: a bad player. I'm like, got it. I know the

592
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: shell comes right here. I'm going to jump a little faster, right,

593
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: And that is a life hack. Like truly, this happens

594
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: to me all the time on just whenever we want

595
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: to do a big video. We just filmed the video

596
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: where I made a soccer goalie robot that goes back

597
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: and forth at like eighty miles an hour, and then

598
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: Christiano Ronaldo tried to score on it. Right. It took

599
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: us like a year to bill so we tracked the

600
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: ball and in the first six milliseconds, when the ball

601
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: has gone from like here to here, I just moved

602
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: it like maybe an eighth of an inch. We know

603
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: exactly where the goalie needs to be to stop that ball.

604
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: So it's hilarious to see, you know, he tries to

605
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: do it and of course he misses. No, there's no

606
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: way he can score. It's way too fast from the

607
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Speaker 1: penalty kick area. Yeah, I said eighty miles an hour,

608
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Speaker 1: and the robots is like, what just goes.

609
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Speaker 2: And it's oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: So the point is, though, with that video, I mean

611
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: there was tons of sliding green shells and setbacks and

612
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, and and that doesn't mean it doesn't sting.

613
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: By the way, failure still can sting. This isn't some

614
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: fake Pollyanna attitude, right, but it's this idea of like,

615
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: oh dang it, but I'm okay, here we go. We're

616
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Speaker 1: going at this again, right, yeah, And I think that

617
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: can help you accomplish so much more in life. And

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Speaker 1: and just have honestly better relationships even right, because it's

619
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Speaker 1: just like the way you approach it is like, Okay,

620
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Speaker 1: what did I learn versus internalizing that it's something about me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, really well said. I love the video

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Speaker 2: game analogy because you're so right. You die, and even

623
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Speaker 2: though it says game over, you don't feel that way. No,

624
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: you're like next next player. You know you want to

625
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: get another life, you want to play again like you

626
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: never ever. And it's so crazy because I'm like, it

627
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: actually says game over and you don't care. And whereas

628
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: if someone says game over and life where you get

629
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: rejected or you don't get a job and you apply

630
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Speaker 2: for one, that hurts much worse, and I guess because

631
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Speaker 2: it feels like he has real stakes.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more like you internal you think that

633
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Speaker 1: makes you, yes, unemployable, Yes, you internalize what that means

634
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: about you, But you don't do that in video games.

635
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: You don't say I'm a bad video game player. And

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Speaker 1: I think the same is true in life. Like anyone

637
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Speaker 1: who's got to somewhere in life, they started out sucky

638
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: at that, right, and then they just learned and iterated

639
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: and overcame. It's the same thing he said with companies

640
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Speaker 1: like No Fortune one hundred company today started out doing

641
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Speaker 1: what they do now they've pivoted fifteen times, right, And

642
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: so I think it's this ability to just like not

643
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: internalize what it says about you and just almost flip it.

644
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm a person who who embraces failure and celebrates it,

645
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: lets it sting. Just like in a video, it sucks

646
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Speaker 1: to miss that key jump on level eight one on

647
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Speaker 1: Super Mario Brothers a little platform, but it's like, dang it,

648
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: we're going back because you're focused on the end goal.

649
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: You're focus on what that would feel like, not the

650
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: pits and the mistakes.

651
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: What's a failure that you ever experienced in life that

652
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: you did internalize? Did that ever happen?

653
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I got married pretty young and then it's very amicable.

654
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: But like five years ago I split with my wife

655
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: for you know, I'm pretty private with my private life

656
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: for like reasons and stuff. But and I was like

657
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: really cautious to get out and like date again. It

658
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: just it took me a year to even like start

659
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it felt like I was just

660
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: very protective, like I didn't I wanted if I was

661
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: gonna find my person, like I wanted them to love

662
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: me and not the thought of me, or you know,

663
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: you just want it to be authentic, right, and so

664
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: like I never I just wasn't. I was being very

665
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: very cautious about everything. I did find someone that I

666
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: thought was like this was this was it, and I'm

667
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: for the first time, like really opened my heart, right,

668
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: like being really really open, and like the worst possible

669
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: situation happened where it was like it was it felt

670
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: it was like a betrayal. Something happened that it was

671
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: like it was essentially this the worst case where it's like, Okay,

672
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, I'm going to really lean in,

673
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: and then it happened, and it was absolutely the worst

674
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: pain like I've experienced as adult. It was like really

675
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: really hard, and it was hard to feel like I

676
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: would ever find this thing that I felt like other

677
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: people have found and I'd never felt it my whole life,

678
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: and so taking a beat after that was like I

679
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: think it was hard. That was like a really really

680
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: difficult period for me. But then I honestly, eventually I

681
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: came around to this supermart thing and I'm like, you know,

682
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: what like it's just a number. Like I just got

683
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: to put in the reps. I gotta like put the

684
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: work in and so I did that and then again failed.

685
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I did like I was like, I'm gonna in thirty days,

686
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to like try and this. I'm such an engineer.

687
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: I basically made a goal where it's like I'm going

688
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: on thirty FaceTime dates in thirty days and just like

689
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty minutes just to get a feel because you know,

690
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: in the first three minutes if there's a connection or

691
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: not right. And I did that and it was again

692
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Jay and these are like amazing, accomplished, attractive, lovely human beings,

693
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: lovely women right, and I felt nothing, And I was

694
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: like damn, like I think is this me? So I

695
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm going to do one

696
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: more and then I did one more and that's my

697
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: partner and she's my life partner. It's like it and

698
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: it was it was a matter of like it was

699
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: like half hour in It's like yep, this is it,

700
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: like and it feels like coming home. It's like when

701
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: you I'm the right person, it feels like home. It's

702
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: just like yeah, and it's just like no, reservations and like,

703
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: we're both the same way, and she she's wondering, yeah,

704
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: and you met her and she's had the same experience

705
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: where she just never felt like she'd found it and

706
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: immediately was just like this is it cool? Done? Close

707
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet.

708
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: I deleted it, So you did engineer your way to love.

709
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Which because she's the opposite, she's more like you j

710
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: and she just puts it out to the universe. So

711
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: she's the she's the dreamer and I'm the thinker. And

712
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: we try and take credit for us getting together, Like, look,

713
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: I put it out to the years. I'm like, no,

714
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: I put in the worst.

715
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I love that. I mean to me,

716
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm actually people know less about I'm

717
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: a bit of both as well. There's a there's an

718
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: engineer in me, not not in the way you are,

719
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: but in that practical, pragmatic approach to what it really

720
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: takes and getting the reps in and and I like

721
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: that that it even applied to love, that doing thirty

722
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: FaceTime calls and thirty dates, that is what it takes

723
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: to figure out if you have a connection with someone

724
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: and to speed it up. I always I do what

725
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: I call for myself immersion weekends, and so if I'm

726
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: really fascinated by something, I will find a coach, find

727
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: the book, find the ted talk, find the course, and

728
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: do it all in one weekend to figure out whether

729
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: I care or not. And I do these immerging weekends

730
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: all the time. I'll literally obsess over something for forty

731
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: eight hours, and if I really like it, then it

732
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: becomes a part of my consistent schedule. And if I

733
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: hated it, I won't go back again. And I'm okay,

734
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: And I've loved doing that over time where I'm like,

735
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this. I don't have time to go

736
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: on a weekly course. I don't know if I want

737
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: to invest that time. I don't want to commit to

738
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: a retreat. Who knows. But I could do it for

739
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: a whole weekend. Yeah, it works, It works wonders for me.

740
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: And that goes back to kind of what I was

741
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: saying before too, just like whatever's the step in front,

742
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: dominate it dominated, and if you really immerse yourself like

743
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: it will be very clear at the end of that

744
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: weekend if this is something you want to do more versus.

745
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Like just dabbling it dabbling.

746
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's an example. I'm going to turn the tables

747
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: like you No, what's the last thing you did? Like that?

748
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: Like an immersion weekend?

749
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: The immersion weekend? Yeah, I'll be honest, I just did

750
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: it this weekend. It was acting.

751
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh.

752
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: Now, I've been getting all these opportunities to like audition

753
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: for like TV and film, and I've just been kind

754
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: of going back and forth. I've spent a lot of

755
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: time on movie sets with actors that I coach, not

756
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: in acting in my work, and I've spent a lot

757
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: of time on movie sets, but I've never been the

758
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: person doing it. I've done a few cameos here and there.

759
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: And because I was getting all these opportunities, my question

760
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: always is do I love the process I'm not interested

761
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: in the result? Or is it cool? I'm like, do

762
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: I actually love doing the thing? And so this whole

763
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: weekend had an acting coach. I was with them for

764
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: three hours a day who I was doing all the

765
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: reading pre of the scripts that they sent me. I

766
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: was doing the reading of books outside of it, around

767
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: acting and writing, just to see if I enjoy the process.

768
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, worst case, I'm going to hate

769
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: the process and learn some skills case, I'm going to

770
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: love it and it's going to open up new opportunities.

771
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: I loved it at a great time.

772
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: Really yeah.

773
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: I was reading scripts, I was learning about characters. We

774
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: were doing scene study and analysis like it was. It

775
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: was almost like just reading material and discussing it with

776
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: someone and then trying to figure out what the actors'

777
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: objectives were and what their tactic is and what their

778
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: motive is. It was fascinating.

779
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I love it. So you're going to do more?

780
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: Then it was I'm going to do more coaching.

781
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to take more classes because it was just

782
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: so it was so fun and if it becomes something

783
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: that I enjoy enough, I would pursue it professionally. But

784
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: even if I don't, it's just something that i'm currently

785
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: immersed in.

786
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I feel like you would be great. It's like you

787
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: have to, yeah, putting yourself in the shoes of the person,

788
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know what to do it, Like

789
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: my face, it's like I'm supposed to be sad that

790
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: I really was just like yeah about my life. But

791
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: it's like, apparently that's not what you're supposed to.

792
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: Do, but that's what was so that was what's so

793
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: fascinating about it? And I think we're both talking about

794
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: this idea of learning something was when you're sitting down

795
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: with a professional, the way they talk about it, and

796
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: he was talking about like there's Stanislav method and the

797
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Chekhov method and there's all these there's there's systems of

798
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: why the best of the best like they're not they're

799
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: not just the best because they have it. They've studied

800
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: systems and they've worked at it. And so to me,

801
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: it was just like there's this method where it's called

802
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: to act as if so you can't relate to what

803
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: the character is going through, but you have something that

804
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: happened in your life that makes you feel that way

805
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: that the character is feeling and you channel that. And

806
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: so to me it was just I was just fascinated

807
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: by the empathy that actors have to have, the compassion

808
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: the connection to embody characters. But that was my most reason.

809
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: I love that my thing right now again, like I'm

810
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: kind of with you, I love mastery, Like finding mine's

811
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: public speaking. I hate public speaking, Yeah yeah, heat it,

812
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: but my goal is just be really good at it

813
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: in like a year. So I'm currently working up I'm

814
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: actually doing a TED talk in April. Actually, this is

815
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: cool to actually mention to you because I haven't really

816
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: talked about this publicly much. But we're doing so through

817
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel. We've learned how to like hide the vegetables, right,

818
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: basically teach science. You don't even know what's happening, right, Yeah,

819
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: So we're taking all the learnings we've taken from that,

820
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: Like because kids can watch or people can just watch

821
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: whatever they want to on YouTube, but they choose to

822
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: watch this, and they're making a full science curriculum that's amazing,

823
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: third to eighth grade. It involved, you know, it has

824
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: my fellow YouTube friends. You know, I just got Christiano

825
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Ronaldo and we're feeling in he's part of it. Just

826
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of people in it. But then you know,

827
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: resources for the teachers, really cool hands on activities. They

828
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: can class everything. And then it's gonna costs about it's

829
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: gonna cost us about like fifty five million dollars to make,

830
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: and that would make it free forever for all the.

831
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: Way able to go online, so you don't have it

832
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: won't be in your school.

833
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: No, it's like a it's like online teachers can use

834
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: it it's a full It adheres to all of the standards, right,

835
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: because teachers will tell you, like, they can't teach a

836
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: kid if they don't have their attention. And I've learned

837
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: to do on YouTube is getting there to for example,

838
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: the electricity and magnetism lesson. We just filmed this. There's

839
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: an MRI machine. I put a watermelon inside it. I'm

840
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: holding like a ten pound hammer and then you essentially

841
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: flip on the MRI machine and but you know, the

842
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: hammer just flies out of my hand destroys this watermelon.

843
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: And now, Jay, I've got your attention. And now I

844
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: could say, you know, there's some visible magnetic fields all

845
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: around us that exist? Yeah, right, And.

846
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: So teachers can use these in school. They could play

847
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: that video.

848
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: And it has you know, the whole lesson. What they

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: say back to the kids. It will replace their science curriculum, right, Wow.

850
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: And it's gonna cost it's gonna take us like three years.

851
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: Why is it gonna cost you fifty five million dollars?

852
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: It's it's a huge undertaking. There's like forty six different units.

853
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Like it's science, it's all six through eighth grade science,

854
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: and then also third grade through through fifth grade.

855
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: So and you're funding.

856
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: It yeah, and I mean yes, and there are already

857
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: some generous people who are coming out and helping it fun.

858
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: But like regardless, I was weird started funding it myselves

859
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: anyways with the profits we had from Crunch Lambs. So

860
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna announce that at the Ted talk and like that.

861
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: I really want to nail that presentation, so.

862
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: I'm having to help. Man, Okay, I was lucky my

863
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: parents forced me to get a public speaking in drama

864
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: school when I was eleven. Oh really, so all my

865
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: state speaking skills from having studied it for seven years,

866
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: eight years.

867
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, you're a man one of my favor Okay, Yeah,

868
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I'll record the rehearsal and I'll send it to you.

869
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Happy. I mean they have pros there obviously, Ted

870
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 2: have such a great script they do and a great

871
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: pro speaking team they're not that's going to be now,

872
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: that's going to be amazing. I'm excited to see it.

873
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty so I feel like it's the most important

874
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: thing I'll do my whole life.

875
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: But I love that you're doing things that scare you,

876
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Like even at this point having had so much success

877
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: and having you know, being you know, the spokesperson for

878
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: science across the world. It's incredible to see you say

879
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm still scared of this and I'm going to do it,

880
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: not like I.

881
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: Crave it, Jay, Like I also like, uh, I started

882
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: like going to the gym to your years ago, same

883
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: thing where it's just like I just love an opportunity

884
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: for mastery. It is this video game thing, right, I

885
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: think a lot if you say that I've seen success

886
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: in my life, a lot of it comes down to

887
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: this mentality. It's like, I just love working on something

888
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: and the feeling of incrementally getting better. I mean, that's

889
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: how our brains work, right, You're a lot of studies

890
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: have showed if you get a huge raise and then

891
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and then your salary's flat for ten years versus incrementally

892
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: go up to that ten years, like you're much happy.

893
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: You have way more dopamine your brain if you incrementally

894
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: level up. This is again how video games even work.

895
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: You start the video game with a wooden sword and

896
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: three heart containers because they reverse engineer. You love just

897
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: like little levels up, so opportunities that life provides you

898
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: to just find something like that and then get better.

899
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: At the end of a couple of years or months

900
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: or whatever decades nothing better.

901
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: How do you keep the childlike fun energy, playful energy

902
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: that you have that your work requires and at the

903
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: same time run businesses Because to me, that's the balance

904
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: that young entrepreneurs, seasoned entrepreneurs everyone runs into where it's

905
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: like running the business is a serious business, yeah, but

906
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: then the business is all about play, curiosity, fun, crazy experiments. Right,

907
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: and we'll get into some of the videos that that

908
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: you love the most. But how do you think about

909
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: the curiosity creativity part of the business and then the

910
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: running of a business?

911
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's good. There's been studies that look

912
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: at like successful mid range companies are companies worth say

913
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: fifty to five hundred million dollars or something, or even

914
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: tended five hundred million dollars, And what all of them

915
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: have in common is there's one person who is like

916
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: has the swim lane of being the creative, the big thinker,

917
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, the ten next thinker, and then one person

918
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: who's logistics. Right, so you know, one person who can

919
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: build the thing and one person who can run the thing.

920
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: And I was very lucky a buddy of mine, Jim,

921
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, we're to Google I knew he had a

922
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: very anamical brain, and I said, hey, I'm thinking about

923
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: starting this company, crunch Labs, you know, make me a

924
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: model financial model to see if it works. And he

925
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: did and educating me on how they work. It's still

926
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: the model we use today and the company's doing very well.

927
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

928
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: So he's been the one to, like, in my opinion,

929
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: make all the all the boring stuff I don't want

930
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: to look at. J oh we have to have like

931
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: a warehouse that ships out this stuff, like I don't

932
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: just find a good one, you know, and he'll geek

933
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: out over it, and he has them, you know what

934
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm thinking about like, oh this is

935
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: we could do this, you know, but we could do this.

936
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: So I think truly, if you're starting a business and

937
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: you're the creative one, just don't try and do the

938
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: other thing.

939
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

940
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: And the good news is if you're the creative one,

941
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: the other one's a lot easier to find. Like the

942
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: creative like the good that that's more of a rare talent. Yeah,

943
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: so just find someone help you.

944
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's great advice.

945
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. At some point, if you're small, if you're doing

946
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: something small like Halloween T shirt company, Like you can

947
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: be both, but at some point it'll just get way

948
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: too hard.

949
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I fully agree with you. We did the same.

950
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: And I remember when I bought on one of my

951
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: partners in the early days, everyone was like, you don't

952
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: want to give away a percentage, Like, don't do that,

953
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: you know it's all your creativity. And I was like,

954
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: you have no idea how much time? Because I said, Tom,

955
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: when I'm am, I said, all I want to do

956
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: is think, study and teach and create, Like that's that's

957
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: where I want to live, Like that's my strength, superpower,

958
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: that's my fascination. Like I love reading and studying and

959
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: learning about psychology and ancient wisdom and science and behavioral science,

960
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: and that's what I love reading, studying, learning, observing humans

961
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: and then turning into stuff that people can use to

962
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: make their lives better. But I don't want to run

963
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: any of the other stuff.

964
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: And there's something knowing that and owning that like as

965
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: a key to staying happy and honestly fighting burnout. I

966
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of times people feel burnt out and

967
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: a creative endeavor, it's because they lost sight of what

968
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: got them in it in the first place and they're

969
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: managing fifteen people and they're a manager now they're not

970
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: a creative and they're like, why am I doing this?

971
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the satisfaction. It's like, oh, because you're

972
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: not doing what you started doing.

973
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: What did you learn at What did you learn at

974
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: Apple that you didn't learn at NASA?

975
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: Apple? I would say, like NASA, I feel like a

976
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: lot of smart people at Apple. You had to be

977
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: pretty smart, but a very good communicator, which is like

978
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: a I just keyed in on this and communication and

979
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: sharing ideas and like telling stories matters a lot in

980
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, people think I'm a good engineer, you know,

981
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: like I could build cool stuff. But it's like I'm

982
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: okay engineer, Jay, I'm a pretty damn good storyteller. Like

983
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: and in the videos you're telling stories right, like this

984
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: video with Christiano Ronaldo, he said, with the goalie robot

985
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: going back and forth, Like it starts out like, you know,

986
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: this is my childhood dream. I want to do this thing.

987
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: And I even Landon Donovan takes me out and he's

988
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: like a coach and he's like, dude, you suck, you know,

989
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: and so it's like, okay, well if I can't do

990
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: with my athletic power. It's not going to do with

991
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: my brain. So now I'm going to make this goal

992
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: it right, you case the whole thing in a story, right,

993
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: And I think at Apple I learned that there are

994
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: some very very good engineers who are also incredible communicators

995
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: of like explaining ideas. And you know that's what really

996
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: makes a special as a species ability to cooperate on

997
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: large scale And we do that through telling stories. Right,

998
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: that's we've evolved to tell stories long before you could

999
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: write stuff down. We communicated through telling stories. It makes

1000
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: somebody feel something, That's exactly that's how you make a

1001
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: viral video. You just you have to evoke a visceral response.

1002
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: And if you can do that, that helps you at

1003
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: work because it convinces everyone else like, hey, this is

1004
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: a good idea, let's all do this helps you in

1005
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: your relationships, Like if you can really create that visceral

1006
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: response by connecting with the human, then you know your

1007
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: partner will, your child or friend will accept your apology, right, Like,

1008
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: it'll help you. Yeah, just personal life, business, anything tapping

1009
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: into the ability and owning the ability of Like I

1010
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: need to say this in a way that connects heart

1011
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: to heart, not brain to brain, whereas it you know,

1012
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: NASA was like, well, you know, our rover is twenty

1013
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: percent faster on the gigars, like nobody cares. Right, Apple,

1014
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: I feel like is a very good example of this,

1015
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: right Like air pods is an example. Like the advertisers

1016
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: for airport, they're just technically, there's better than any other head.

1017
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, yes, there any like you're in your product

1018
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: out there. But the commercials are like the dance, It

1019
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: focuses on the feeling, right, like what does it feel

1020
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: like to have these things, not like here's the text

1021
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: back of why it's better. Yeah, And as a result,

1022
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I think they're like if they were a standalone company,

1023
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: it would be the market cap would be like, I

1024
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know, it's something crazy, like just for the just

1025
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: for the air it's like fifty billion dollar market cap

1026
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: just for the AirPod.

1027
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1028
00:48:48,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1029
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a hearing you say that is fascinating

1030
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: because yeah, I read it study years ago. It was

1031
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: early days, but New York Times did a study on

1032
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: seven thousand pieces of viral content and the output was

1033
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: the seven thousand piece of viral content they made people

1034
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: feel five things one of five things. The first was adventure,

1035
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: which yours your content does all the time. Humor your

1036
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: content does that too, or comedy obviously. Uh. The other

1037
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: the third feeling was negativity, but the news anger rage

1038
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: Yours does not do that. The fourth was inspiration, so

1039
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: you felt inspired after watching it, and the fifth was surprise.

1040
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: And so those were the five emotions and they were

1041
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: all feelings. And I always share that with people because

1042
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, your content's trying to teach me something. It's

1043
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: trying to tell me something, and you're talking about adding value.

1044
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: But when you're trying to add value, you're not making

1045
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: me feel anything. And what you were saying about hiding

1046
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: the vegetables, it's like, if you're making people feel entertained,

1047
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: then you're learning about engineering and process and designed and everything.

1048
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: But if I'm like, I'm going to teach you engineering now,

1049
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: I'm feeling bored. Yeah, and that's not on the top

1050
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 2: five list, And so I'm not feeling anything I wanted

1051
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: to ask you about. I want to get tactical with

1052
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: you because you're also a YouTube creative genius. It's like,

1053
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: what was the journey from zero to a thousand subscribers.

1054
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: What does that look like for someone if someone's trying

1055
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: to do that as stage one.

1056
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good reasons to start a

1057
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: YouTube channel or to be a creative. There's only two

1058
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: bad ones tell us to get rich and to get famous.

1059
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: And I think that's like the mistake a lot of people,

1060
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: especially now that you know you can get rich and famous.

1061
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: And I think we both started in this game. It

1062
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: just wasn't the same, Like you didn't realize that was it?

1063
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1064
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Our passion was like we love this, right.

1065
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be I thought I

1066
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: was gonna because I was a consultant at the time. Yeah,

1067
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: I was at Accentia rightly. Yeah, I thought I was

1068
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: going to be a consultant by day and just to

1069
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: upload videos by night and weekends because I was like,

1070
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: this is a fun hobby. It was. It was just

1071
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: a creative outlet for me. I was like I was

1072
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: doing live events, teaching wisdom and teaching classes and meditation,

1073
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: and I was teach at my local gym. I would

1074
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Speaker 2: teach it in my local college or whatever. And I

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00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: loved it. But I was like, oh, I'd like to

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00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: share that with more people. I would just upload some videos.

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, I had no idea that any of this

1078
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: would ever happen. So and yeah, we started. I started

1079
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, you start twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but ultimately twenty I mean, like to your point,

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00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: like it takes forever to get a thousand subscribers. So

1082
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I think the trick is just to make content, just

1083
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: to do it, don't overthink it. You know. The temptation

1084
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: is you want to make the perfect thing. And again,

1085
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: going back to an engineer, you build prototypes. Like the

1086
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: biggest mistake when you want to make something is like

1087
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I want to build the final thing. Any object in

1088
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: this room was not built, Like this was not the

1089
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: final form. This was not the initial version of this microphone.

1090
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Like it started very simply and then it iterated, iterated.

1091
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing with like creating content

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00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: or making things or trying anything like set a low bar.

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00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: You know. I like to say, like make your goal

1094
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: to fail ten times, like flip it. Make the goal,

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00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: like I want to make ten videos and my goal

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00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: is that they don't get more than one hundred views

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00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: in a sense of like don't make your metric. But

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00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm not rich yet, and I'm not famous yet, therefore

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00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm a failure. Like make your like, destigmatize the failure

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00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: and just go for it and make that. So make

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: the goal, you know, maybe a better way to say

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: is make the goal to just upload ten videos in

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00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: ten weeks. That's my goal. I don't care about metric,

1104
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't care about views, and you will learn so

1105
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: much more through that by then and then iterating and

1106
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: seeing what worked. Back to a video game. Okay, I

1107
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: said this thing. I started this way. Aha, the algorithm

1108
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: seemed to really like that, you know, and that's what

1109
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: the audience wants. And now I'm going to lean into that, right,

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00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: So it's like just gamified in that sense and it

1111
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: will be great. Don't do it to be your meritual famous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great advice. I remember I got to I

1113
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: got my first thousand subscribers in a month on YouTube,

1114
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: and I was over the moon, Like I was so excited.

1115
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. Like I was like, this is

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00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: I'd never stood in front of a I'd maybe done

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00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: one talk which was a work event which had a

1118
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: thousand people in the audience, but I'd never done my

1119
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: own event with a thousand people i'd mostly if I'd

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: done my own event, maybe fifty was the most I'd

1121
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: ever had in my own live events. So a thousand

1122
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: subscribers this is insane. And I remember saying to my

1123
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: friends and they were like, yeah, it's probably cool, like

1124
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, good for you, like you know, and it

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00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: felt like a failure because to them, not to me, yeah,

1126
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: because they were just like, oh, that's a thousand, Like

1127
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: I guess it's gonna you know, now out here. And

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Speaker 2: it was just so interesting for me to see, like, oh,

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00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: it was good. I didn't feel that way because I

1130
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: would have stopped. Yeah, but a thousand to me was

1131
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: a huge one. What's the difference between getting from a

1132
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: thousand to one hundred thousand? Like what is changing in

1133
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: skill set? Mindset ability?

1134
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Speaker 1: You start to get like a process down, You start

1135
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: to be able to figure out your own voice. I

1136
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: think like from about ten thousand to one hundred thousand subscribers,

1137
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: you start to understand who you are, you know, and

1138
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: a good place to start, by the way, just copying

1139
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: other channels that you like, like don't be ashamed at

1140
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: the beginning just to copy someone else's style. And you know,

1141
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: if you don't know where to start. If you don't

1142
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: have something, and you'll start doing it. You'll try something

1143
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: one time and it works and it sticks, and then you,

1144
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, you start to find what your own voice is.

1145
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: You've only ever you said, you've only ever made one

1146
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: video a month. Yeah, how did you not get sucked

1147
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: in to the landscape when it was like people were

1148
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: making a video a day, people were making three videos

1149
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: a week. People will make you know how did you

1150
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: stay true to Was it just that you'll create a

1151
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: vision so big that you could only ever do one

1152
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: a month?

1153
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: Partly that and just like again, I wasn't doing it

1154
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: to chase the views. And you're absolutely right. There was

1155
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: a time in the YouTube algorithm were daily vlogs is

1156
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: how you got all the views. And I said great,

1157
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: like great for everyone else, Like I am enjoying it

1158
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: this way. This is what I like. This is like

1159
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: the pace I'm comfortable with. Like I'm very protective, I'm

1160
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: very good at saying no, like that's my superpower. And

1161
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: just like I can have that restraint. And you know,

1162
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: I've got a nice comfortable jogging pace on my treadmill

1163
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going to stick with that. So and even

1164
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: today you know good at saying no.

1165
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: What was the hardest thing you ever said no to?

1166
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: You know, early on there was some opportunities to do

1167
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: some like Discovery Channel shows that I would have loved

1168
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: as a kid. But then it's like when I had

1169
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: everything else going on, Like I don't know, you just

1170
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: get opportunities that come by that you don't. It's almost

1171
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: not hard to say no because it's like unless it's

1172
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: an absolute hell yes, I don't even consider it, right,

1173
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: And I think that is that can be a superpower,

1174
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: is like laser focus. Like I don't often like pick

1175
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: something that I'm just like, I'm on it. But like

1176
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: if I do choose something that it's like I want it,

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00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: Like I can be like a pit on it where

1178
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: it's just like I will not fail, Like I don't know.

1179
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: At some point, if it's not work, you need to pivot,

1180
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: and I do. But it's like I just get so

1181
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: obsessed with accomplishing the thing that I can just exclude

1182
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: everything else, so I don't have this temptation of like

1183
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: and I try this, I don't try this. I'm don't

1184
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: try this and I try this, and now you're just

1185
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: diluted across the board. Right, because that applies not even

1186
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: for business, but in your relationships right in life. If

1187
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: you are stretching yourself thin, you know, I'd much rather

1188
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: give like five people in my life, like very deep

1189
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: depth and have that richness of human connection then to

1190
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: spread that thin across fifty Yeah, right.

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00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's yeah, there's almost like there's the

1192
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 2: experimenting phase where you're trying lots of things out. Yeah,

1193
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: but then when you know who you are and you

1194
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: know your voice and you know what you're building, you've

1195
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: got to stick to that and it does make all

1196
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: the difference, and you've got to know when to let

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00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 2: something go. Like the videos I used to make on

1198
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: Facebook when I first started as a creator, I don't

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Speaker 2: make them anymore. And it's not because they weren't amazing

1200
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: and they didn't change my life. It's just that's not

1201
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: who I wanted to be forever. And they would have

1202
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: been really successful now if I carried on making them,

1203
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't have felt happy, and so I chose

1204
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do, which was this and telling

1205
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: stories in a certain way that's allowed my life to

1206
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: also be fulfilling as well as successful. Rather than keep

1207
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: doing something because the algorithm wants it, that's right, and

1208
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't. That gets really dry, It gets really tiring,

1209
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: I think, and creators get burnt out chasing the algorithm,

1210
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: which I think we've both seen probably a lot of.

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think when you crank

1212
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: up that treadmill speed to a sprint paste, that's exciting

1213
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: at first and it's like, whow all these opportunities are coming,

1214
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: but you know, the dopamine wears off and you're still sprinting.

1215
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: And to me, that's the definition of burnout when you're

1216
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: not getting like the positive feedback and you're like really

1217
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: really going for it so that you could just like

1218
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: keep your treadmill at a jogging speed. In creating, in

1219
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: in life, I think like that's that's the power of

1220
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: saying no and being okay with saying no and not

1221
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: feeling guilty about it.

1222
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: What was the I'm looking at your most popular videos

1223
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: and obviously world's largest jellopool? Can you Swim in Jello?

1224
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: Two hundred and three million views? Six years ago? That video?

1225
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: What went wrong trying to get that video?

1226
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: I lost ten pounds making that video. I'm not kidding,

1227
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: because because we were making I get when I get stressed,

1228
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't eat it. We were making it in my

1229
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: brother's backyard because to make jello, no one's ever done

1230
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: this on the internet. By the way, to this day,

1231
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm the only person who've ever made like an actual

1232
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: jellopool because jello, as you know, you have to get

1233
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: it really cold. You got to first of all boil it,

1234
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: and then it's got to put it in the refrigerator. Right,

1235
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: So we had like six, you know, fifty five gallon

1236
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: drums that we boiled jello and basically drained it in

1237
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: this pool that we'd built. And then he lived in Utah,

1238
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: so it was like the perfect temperature. It didn't freeze

1239
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: over night, but cold enough. And so it took a

1240
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: full week and it failed eight different ways, and we'd

1241
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: have to tweak and and change it. A storm came,

1242
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: we're covering it with a tarp. But eventually we got

1243
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: that money shot of like a kid belly flopping on

1244
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: this pool of jello and like me swimming in it,

1245
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: and it felt really good. That's like, actually, it turns

1246
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: out a very technically difficult problem. Again, my naive optimism

1247
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got this, I can do this right, Yeah,

1248
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 1: And it was very, very tricky, but we pulled it off.

1249
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: What was the hidden vegetable in the egg drop from

1250
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Space video one hundred and forty million views two years ago? Like,

1251
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: what was the what was the hidden vegetable there?

1252
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? There? Again, that video had so many failures in it, Jay, Like,

1253
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: we tried originally to put a basically a model rocket

1254
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: on a hot air balloon or on a weather balloon

1255
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: and then guide it over a mattress and where it

1256
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: would let go and drop the egg on the mattress.

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01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: We tried that three different times and this was costing

1258
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: me like thirty thousand times a drop. And eventually I

1259
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: called up one of my buddies at NASA. He's the

1260
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: lead when we try and land something on the other planet,

1261
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, Adam, how do we do this?

1262
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, Oh, what you're trying to do is

1263
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: create a guided missile. And there's like one hundred people

1264
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: in the United States who know how to do that,

1265
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: and they've all signed a very large attack of papers

1266
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: saying they won't tell anyone. So we're like, oh, we

1267
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't try and guide this rocket down. Then well, let's

1268
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: go one hundred thousand feet up you know, basically to

1269
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: space drop this thing and then we landed it like

1270
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: the Mars rover. So in that video, we learned about

1271
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: terminal velocity, and we learned about like space environments.

1272
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: But kids love I love how you bugging a NASA friend. Yeah,

1273
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: he's dealing with like solving like discovery and.

1274
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: It's literally the man who like invented how you land

1275
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: on Mars and it's like my phone a friend.

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01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: You're like, can you teach you how to drop an egg?

1277
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, on on a mattress and he was like, yeah, no,

1278
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: that's called a missile.

1279
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well, who have you met through doing all

1280
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: of this work that you've just been so like you've

1281
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: learned from what you've been inspired by, or someone that

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Speaker 2: you met through this crazy journey that you've been on

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Speaker 2: that has kind of left a mark on you, or

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Speaker 2: someone that you always look forward to getting to know

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Speaker 2: and you've got to meet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I don't know. Weirdly, like a

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Speaker 1: mentor for me actually has been Jimmy Kimmel, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he saw one of my videos like a decade ago

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Speaker 1: and said we should get this guy in the show

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Speaker 1: and his staff was like, after like one or two

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Speaker 1: times going on to show that he really likes you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you say that to everyone, but like

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Speaker 1: the fourth time, I was like, I think he does

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Speaker 1: really and so now he's like it was his idea

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Speaker 1: even to start crunch Labs the company, because people will

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Speaker 1: tell me all the time, like you need to do

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Speaker 1: a podcast, you need to write a book, you need

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Speaker 1: to go on tour, and when I double click on it,

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Speaker 1: because again I'm good to saying no, it always came

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Speaker 1: back to like, oh, so you can make more money.

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Speaker 1: That's like, oh, good, great news. I don't spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of money, so I've got enough money. I don't

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Speaker 1: need to do that, right, And his point was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you could reach more brains deeper, and that's the

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Speaker 1: idea with crunch Labs. It's like you're in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: You're not just passively watching a video. It's a really

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Speaker 1: fun toy and you're in the trenches and you get

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Speaker 1: him every month. And he was totally right. Like the

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Speaker 1: noun of letters we get from parents saying like this

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Speaker 1: has changed the way my kids sees the world sees themselves. Right.

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Speaker 1: They love it. They go out to the mailbox every

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Speaker 1: month waiting for it to come. Makes a great Christmas present.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Jay, there we go Christmas pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say it's no, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like the perfect gift. I mean, I think I'll have to.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna get something my niece and nephew. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I think they'll love it because I can

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Speaker 2: see my nephew's like ten years old, and his brain's

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Speaker 2: like that, like he wants to build stuff, he wants

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Speaker 2: to break stuff, he wants to figure things out. My

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Speaker 2: niece is more into like Gabby's doll house. Well, the

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Speaker 2: good news, Jake, we just know have you got Gabby's

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Speaker 2: doll house right more.

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Speaker 1: It's called Creative Kit. So what I do is creative engineering.

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Speaker 1: The engineering part we've got covered billbox is the toys

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Speaker 1: I was saying, And then we have like a robotics one.

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Speaker 1: But like the creative part we never so we like

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Speaker 1: studied what creativity is. And now there's a version called

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Speaker 1: Creative Kit that it's like six years old, en up,

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Speaker 1: and it's a little bit of a trojan horse to

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Speaker 1: get more girls in STEM. But also it's for boys

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Speaker 1: as well, but they get a whirl every every month.

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Speaker 1: It's a different part of a little town they build.

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Speaker 1: And the important part is like it's within guide rails.

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Speaker 1: If you tell a kid give them a piece of

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Speaker 1: paper and say come up, you know, draw something, they're like, uh.

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Speaker 1: But if you say, like drawn animal doing something, really

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Speaker 1: doing their hobby, you know, in a place you wouldn't expect, Well,

1339
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: now they have like a seed. Right, So it's this

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Speaker 1: idea of like the first one is a treehouse, but

1341
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 1: then you name it's a little animal's friend that comes

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Speaker 1: with it. And then we're getting there within guidelines to

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Speaker 1: think really creatively. And what the research shows you could

1344
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: watch these alpha brain waves and you're in is the

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Speaker 1: more time you spend in this space, the easier it

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Speaker 1: is to do it. So it's just like a muscle

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01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: that you develop. So it's basically giving kids time in

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Speaker 1: this space to be more creative.

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Speaker 2: Do you always want your work and your products to

1350
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: help kids?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Was that the goal for the YouTube channel from day one?

1353
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Speaker 2: Was it like I want to help young people figure out,

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Speaker 2: young kids figure out?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, to be completely honest, like I

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Speaker 1: think it was more just like I love sharing ideas

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Speaker 1: like I love the aha moment when you learn something new,

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Speaker 1: and I love even more is like giving that to

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Speaker 1: someone else, Like here's something I was just talking about

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Speaker 1: with my partner the other day, which is such a

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Speaker 1: cool thing to do. I don't know if you've ever

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01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: done this, If you ever laying underneath a tree, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you just look up or anything where there's like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of little things and you close one eye

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Speaker 1: and all the leaves feel like they're kind of our branches,

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like they're at the same plane because

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Speaker 1: with one eye you don't have three dimensional you know,

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Speaker 1: three D. But when you open both thighs and realize, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: now I know which leaf is in front of me

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Speaker 1: and which one is farther, Like if you've never done this,

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Speaker 1: you should do it, and it's remarked and it's just

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Speaker 1: it's immediately just like a teachable moment that shows like, oh,

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: like our brain, because the right eye is a little

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: bit different from the left, I sees the brain does

1375
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: all this incredible math to tell you how far and

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Speaker 1: close something is, and just to get that moment and

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Speaker 1: then now once you know that, you're like wait with animals,

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Speaker 1: I have noticed like predators, you know, a hawk or

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Speaker 1: a lion, they have eyes on the front of their

1380
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Speaker 1: face so that they could see three dimensional. But if

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, if you're a prey, a zebra or deer,

1382
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Speaker 1: your eyes are on the side. They don't have the

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Speaker 1: depth reception. But now they can avoid the thing that

1384
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Speaker 1: has three dimensions that's trying to get them right. So

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Speaker 1: it's like idea, Like when you just learn something cool

1386
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: like that, just that nugget, and now you've updated your

1387
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: framework for the natural world around you, is so exciting

1388
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: and beautiful and addictive to me. And I love to

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Speaker 1: give that to other people. And what I found, I

1390
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Speaker 1: especially love to give that to the to the young folks.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing to constantly learn things like that?

1392
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Like where are you coming across statistics, facts, human behavior,

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: animal like where are you exposed to this? Where are

1394
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: you finding it and discovering it in a way that's

1395
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: helping you feel like you're always on the cusp of

1396
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: something cool everywhere?

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Speaker 1: Truly, Like I think the answer to this question, I

1398
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: think what you're driving at is it kind of starts

1399
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: with a curiosity, right just and observing and being like

1400
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: even if there's like a weird on the side of

1401
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: a building or something. It's like a pipe that comes out.

1402
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is that pipe there? Like, I've never

1403
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: seen a build a pipe come out there on a billy,

1404
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Speaker 1: and it'll drive me crazy, to be honest, and I

1405
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: have to figure it out. But the step one with

1406
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: the scientific method too, is just observation. Right, the most

1407
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: interesting thing to hear in science isn't like Eureka, like

1408
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: I found it. The most interesting thing in science to hear,

1409
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: Like the one thing you want to hear is like,

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: that's interesting, Like hold on a second, right, Like that

1411
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: wasn't expected. Let me double click on that and see

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Speaker 1: what's going on there. So I think part of learning

1413
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: a bunch is just having a curiosity mind just asking

1414
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Speaker 1: the question, yes, yeah, right, And I think that's what

1415
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: I try and do, is like I am a fire starter.

1416
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: My videos are not going to teach you everything you

1417
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: need to know about the natural world. But what I

1418
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: can do is I can like I can I'm a

1419
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Speaker 1: fire start. I'll start that fire in their brain and

1420
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: then they get addicted to this feeling. Right, I'm like

1421
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: the Gateway drug dealer, this aha feeling, and then they

1422
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: want to go out and learn more, right, and like

1423
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: that that's beautiful and that's a gift that you can

1424
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: give someone that will last their whole life long.

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Speaker 2: How do you come up with creative ideas? Having made

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Speaker 2: a video a month for ten years, how are you

1427
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Speaker 2: coming up with new ideas? How what's your creative process?

1428
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you sit down in a room lock away? Are

1429
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: you on your laptop? Are you talking to people? Are

1430
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: you with a team? What's your process?

1431
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: Can I tell you one that you bleep out on this,

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Speaker 1: but you could play it, But then I want your

1433
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Speaker 1: reaction on camera.

1434
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: That's so good, that's so good, that's so good.

1435
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: I love that, that's so good.

1436
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: Why do I have to believe that I love that?

1437
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: Because I don't want someone to steal it? Oh right,

1438
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's such a simple thing. I could tell

1439
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: you what you're like, Bang, yeah, I love it. I

1440
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: want to know what is right?

1441
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 4: That is amazing, so good, it's so good. So it's

1442
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Speaker 4: just like when I can get that reaction. Like the

1443
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 4: ideas list is long. I always thought you'd run out

1444
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 4: of ideas, but it's like always to be a hell yes,

1445
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 4: it has to be a hell yes.

1446
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Speaker 1: But I always tend to have like a year and

1447
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: a half worth of idea, So like we have every

1448
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: single video we're making in twenty twenty six already like

1449
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: planned out and in process, so.

1450
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: You're never trying to react to what's happening in that

1451
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: world or you're not. Yours is evergreen content?

1452
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: Evergreen?

1453
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1454
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: Never, I want it to be ever.

1455
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: You're not trying to react to Like, everyone loves AI

1456
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: right now, so we're going to do AI. Everyone loves robotics,

1457
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: so we're doing right.

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01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: We can't, I mean all the videos now costs. We

1459
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: don't do a video that costs less than half a

1460
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Speaker 1: million dollars.

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: Well every video is five yeah, because we're just like.

1462
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, we're doing stuff that's never been done before.

1463
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: So there's like a lot of R and D that

1464
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: goes into making a soccer robot that moves it in

1465
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: an hour.

1466
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Speaker 2: That's that's why we're the best goalkeeper that Ronaldo's ever faced.

1467
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: Too, for sure.

1468
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, that's crazy. I can't wait to see

1469
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Speaker 2: that video.

1470
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Speaker 1: Funny, he's very competitive.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm obsessed with a Renaudo since I was

1472
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Speaker 2: fifteen years old because I was a United fan. So

1473
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Speaker 2: when he came to United when he was seventeen. Yeah,

1474
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: I've been a big fan for like twenty three years.

1475
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: So watching I know how competitive he is, and I'm

1476
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: like watching him fail is going to be an interesting Uh.

1477
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: His team warned us, They're like, he doesn't in the end,

1478
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: like there was a way we kind of had a

1479
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: built in weakness he could exploit. Yeah, and he did

1480
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: a pretty good job finding it. But between you and me, Ja,

1481
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: we might have like we made sure there's a weakness.

1482
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: You should just you just now, what you have to

1483
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: do is create robots that look like humans, that are

1484
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: designed like your email pro goalkeeper and sell them to

1485
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: these that's the next thing. And you pull off selling

1486
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: an AI computer to Barcelona Real Madrid or that's a bang, right,

1487
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: So what's the creative process then? Now you planned out

1488
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: that far ahead. I love the idea you just gave

1489
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 2: me that we'll bleep up. But what how how does that?

1490
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: Obviously that one makes sense, and you're like, the thing

1491
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: about good ideas is when you hear them, you go,

1492
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: of course, but coming up with it is not that easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, and I don't have a good

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: answer for this, no, But except to say because I

1495
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: get asked this a lot. Right, It's like, I think

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01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: it goes back to just like my brain is always

1497
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: on right. The inspiration for ideas can come, you know,

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: and and it's just from a conversation I'm having with someone,

1499
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 1: or I just read something on Reddit, or I'm driving

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01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: down the free when I'm like, or I did this,

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: you know for I'll give you two examples. One, I

1502
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: did this obstacle course for squirrels in my backyard that's

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of popular on the channel right around COVID, and

1504
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: I was, you know, they were stealing my bird seed

1505
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: or so it's like all right, but they were stealing

1506
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: my bird seed. So it's like, you know what, I'm

1507
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna make them earn it. So I made an eight

1508
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: part in Ninja Warrior Ops of course, and put the

1509
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: bird seed at the end, and sure enough they solved it.

1510
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: It was very entertaining, but like the idea for that

1511
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: came for me just laying in bed and hearing them

1512
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: on the roof and knowing this my birthday, I was like,

1513
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: hold on, I just do like man versus Animal, Engineer

1514
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: versus Animal or another one. I made this glitter Bomb

1515
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: series where like someone legitimately stole a package from my porch.

1516
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: I felt really sad. It was a sliding green shelled

1517
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: Super Mario Brothers. It's stung. And then I was like,

1518
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: hold on a second, like if anyone could do something

1519
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: about these porch pirate punks, It's like, I hope put

1520
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: a rover on Mars. I could design something. So then

1521
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: it's like four phones, cup of glitter, we track it,

1522
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: there's fart spray. It's like a whole thing, right, And

1523
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: eventually that one took us all the way to we

1524
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: shut down like three scam call centers in India by

1525
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: tracking them down and glitter bombing them and doing all

1526
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: these other pranks and then putting that video out in

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01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: the world. It gets one hundred million views with like

1528
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: a bright spotlight and we shut them down. So it's like, again,

1529
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't have predicted you would land there. Ye, if

1530
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: you just follow the natural steps, it just happens.

1531
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: Is there a video that you did? Could you throw it?

1532
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: But you did it because you just had to put

1533
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: something out on you Like it's a terrible idea, but

1534
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 2: then it turned out to be amazing.

1535
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did a video on bedbugs because I just thought,

1536
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: they're fascinating, like, what is up with bedbugs? They like

1537
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: suck human blood and if you if you see bedbugs,

1538
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: they have to be fed like every three days. If

1539
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: you see a bed bug in your house, that means

1540
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: they fed on you. All they can eat is blood.

1541
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: And so it's like there's just a lot about them

1542
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. And my team was like, this is going

1543
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: to kill the channel. No one's gonna watch this, And

1544
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: I was just so curious about it, right, so I

1545
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: just went down the rabbit hole deep and it turned

1546
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: out to be, like, I think, an interesting piece of

1547
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: content that has like I think eighty million views a something. Wow,

1548
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: that's so I think if you just approach it with

1549
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: curiosity and legitimately, like you know, I don't pre write

1550
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: my videos. If I have an idea, I go learn

1551
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: about it, and then once we have the footage, it's like,

1552
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: all right, what's the story here?

1553
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1554
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: And I think if you have the right attitude, there's

1555
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: always a really cool story to find.

1556
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely. What's a question that you still don't

1557
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: have the answer to but you can't stop thinking about.

1558
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 2: Do you ever get into that loop of like I

1559
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: wish I understood how this worked.

1560
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's like kind of unanswerable questions like

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: where is all the life in the unit? Like if

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: life exists here? Especially if so NASA's there's a moon

1563
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: call and sell it us in our in our solar

1564
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: system that has a molten lava core and the outside

1565
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: is ice, right, water water, frozen water. So somewhere between

1566
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Speaker 1: the molten lava core and that and that surface, there's

1567
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: a seventy degree ocean. It's warm, it's water, it's that's

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01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: where life form. We know that's where life form on

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01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,480
Speaker 1: this planet. So NASA's building a probe to go out there. Essentially,

1570
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna drill through the ice. We're gonna put a

1571
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: submarine down there and basically see what eats it, right,

1572
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: and if if something is there for life to exist

1573
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: twice in our own solar system kind of independently, then

1574
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: it's like, where is all the rest of life in

1575
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: this huge, huge, huge universe? Right, there's I think something

1576
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: like there's a million times more stars. Then there are

1577
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: grains of sand on the whole planet, the bottom of

1578
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: the ocean. I mean, think about the net. The last

1579
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: time you picked up a handful of sand. Every one

1580
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: of those sand pieces represents a million stars. I'm talking

1581
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean.

1582
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,520
Speaker 2: How unfastable, completely unfamal.

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01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: It's unfathomable. So but then like it's called Fermi's paradox,

1584
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: but there's a few hypotheses of like, well, then why

1585
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: don't we see other signs of life in the universe?

1586
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: And it's a very fat If you want a fascinating

1587
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, look up Fermi's paradox.

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: What if you learn so far is it that life

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: form looks different? We can't see it? Is it?

1590
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. But like some of the hypothets,

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: some of the hypotheses on why we don't know is

1592
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: like it could be there's like super predator civilization. There's

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01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: super predator organisms out there that as soon as you

1594
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: get past a certain point, then like, okay, now this

1595
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: is a problem. We're going to go take care of

1596
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: these people. So they extinguish life if it gets too high,

1597
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: because it could be a threat. It could be. Another

1598
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: one is like intelligence is get to a glass ceiling

1599
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: where they destroy themselves. When you have the energy that

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: can take you to interstell or to another system, well

1601
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: you could probably use that energy on yourself. And you

1602
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: know when we a lot of organisms fight each other,

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01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: and you know, that could be a pretty darn good

1604
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: thing for us to be looking at as a as

1605
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: a civilization ourselves. Right, Like where you just get too

1606
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: hard and then it just it collapses in on itself

1607
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: is another hypothesis. One is like they know about us,

1608
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: but it's we're kind of like an endangered species, like

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: an unconfident tribe in the Amazon. So they're like, sh

1610
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: just like leave alone. We're like so basically in a

1611
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: zoo over here.

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01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: So there's all these like really fun hypotheses on what

1614
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: could be the explanation as to why.

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: So that's good. Yeah, that's what keeps you up and night.

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a fun Those kinds of things

1617
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: are like fun to think about.

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01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But next time you are near sand, truly think

1620
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: of me, Jay, take a scoop of that sand and

1621
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: just look at how many grains of sand that each

1622
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: one of those is a star with planets, Like the potential.

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just such a it breaks your brain,

1624
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's such a beautiful thought of like the potential

1625
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: of life.

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: You've been to space yet, right, not yet Yeah, okaya.

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01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, there's some plans on the horizon. You'll go

1628
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: to space too, Like I think it's gonna come pretty commonplace.

1629
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: Like you can get to Australian like I think ninety

1630
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: minutes through space. So that's there's there's a financial incentive

1631
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: to travel quickly.

1632
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, nineteen minutes to Australia from La Yeah. Wow.

1633
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: You basically just go up, go over fast and the

1634
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: Earth also moves a little bit and you come back down.

1635
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's crazy nineteen minutes. Yeah, we had someone

1636
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: done that yet.

1637
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: No, but like that that's the math, right, I mean

1638
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: we don't have the ability southwest for space hasn't been invented,

1639
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: but like essentially that wherever there's like a lot of

1640
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: financial incentive to do a thing like innovation will be

1641
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: placed towards that.

1642
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what do you get excited about with what's

1643
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: happening with technology with AI with discuss is there anything

1644
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: that you get super excited about right now? And what

1645
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: do you get scared about on the other end or

1646
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: things you get worried about.

1647
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: There's a famous sort of one of the early thinkers

1648
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: and this in twenty fifteen, I was talking with all

1649
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: my buddies about this about AI. Nick Bostrom wrote this

1650
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: book about superintelligence and his the beginning analogy to the

1651
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,959
Speaker 1: book is like, imagine there's some sparrows and they find

1652
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,799
Speaker 1: the egg of an owl. Just so you know, owls

1653
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: eat sparrows, right, so we're all clear. Then they're like, hey,

1654
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: we're going to raise this owl. We're gonna put raise

1655
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: them in our nest, and it's gonna love us, and

1656
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: then we can use the owl to like go hunt

1657
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: for us. We're going to use the owl to do

1658
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, all these things that will be really useful.

1659
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: And you know, of course if you just carry that,

1660
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: if that actually happens, the owl is born thanks to

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: the sparrows for incubating it. But it doesn't end well

1662
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: with a sparrow. That's a real concern. I share that

1663
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: concern with like a lot of people. That could be

1664
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: an outcome of AI. I do think it the best

1665
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: case scenario, though I think there are some upsides where

1666
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: it's like it solves a lot of the scarcity thing,

1667
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the wars and terrible things that have

1668
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: happened in you know, our history of civilization is a

1669
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: scarcity thing. So if unlimited energy and resources and stuff

1670
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: and something that helps allocate those resources, that could be good. Right,

1671
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: It could reduce human suffering a lot. So I mean,

1672
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: nobody really knows, Jay, Like I don't know. I'm curious

1673
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: where you like where you land on this.

1674
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 2: The question I get a lot is do I think

1675
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 2: AI will ever have a soul? And my response is,

1676
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if AI will ever have a soul.

1677
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 2: I just hope that people building it have a soul

1678
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: because ultimately, to me, it's the Frankenstein piece of anything

1679
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: we make becomes us, and there's a part of us

1680
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: that's within it. And so if we're scared of an

1681
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: ability that humans have, then we'll be scared of the more, bigger,

1682
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 2: powerful thing that we create that has more of it

1683
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 2: in it. And so to me, it's more about again,

1684
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: I think we've I think there's that beautiful statement by

1685
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: Mark Dwain where he said that history never repeats itself,

1686
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: but it always rhymes. And I think we've had enough

1687
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 2: experiences in history with technology, Like let's take social media

1688
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: for example. It started, we didn't really care about how

1689
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: it was going to affect us. Everyone had it, and

1690
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 2: now we're talking about mental health kids, phones, not just

1691
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 2: social media phones technology early on in life, right, and

1692
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: it's like, we know that that's how everything goes. So

1693
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: scare mongering doesn't work because AI's here to stay. It's

1694
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: not disappearing tomorrow. So trying to scare everyone from it

1695
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: is not going to help because it's going to be here.

1696
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: So I don't love the fear factor piece because it

1697
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: doesn't solve the problem. But the fear factor piece should

1698
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: lead us to being more informed and prepared for what

1699
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: do we do about it when? So, for example, hindsight

1700
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty. If we could go back to two

1701
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: thousand and four when Facebook was created, and YouTube in

1702
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: twenty ten or two thousand and nine.

1703
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they acquired it or something.

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01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah Google, Yeah, so yeah, yeah, so you have all

1705
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: of that and then. But my point's like, if you

1706
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,440
Speaker 2: could go back then and go, okay, let's make some guardrails.

1707
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 2: Kids shouldn't be allowed a phone by this age, social

1708
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: media should have verified access. I'm making up things right now,

1709
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: but the point is, how do you prepare for the

1710
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 2: things that to come? Rather than go all right, we'll

1711
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: just deal with the whole fact that generations have mental

1712
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: health issues now and now we're dealing with the reactive

1713
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 2: way I think humans are. We kind of set ourselves

1714
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 2: up for failure every time.

1715
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just so hard without the evidence

1716
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: right to convince someone at Facebook when money's to be made, right,

1717
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: Like I completely agree with you. Yeah, but like there's

1718
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: just so many unknowns, unknowns.

1719
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like how do you not how it's

1720
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 2: not about reducing innovation or doing something, it's how do

1721
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: we protect the vulnerable? And so if we're saying that

1722
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: kids under a certain age are vulnerable to X y

1723
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 2: Z in the same way as you know, like cigarettes

1724
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 2: or alcohol or you know, whatever it is, it's like

1725
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: we agree, we all agree that until this point your

1726
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: brain has not developed yet. What should we allow and

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: not allow? You know, Like kids are watching you having

1728
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: the best time ever, Like it's amazing. I wish more

1729
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: people watching you, And but how do you regulate the

1730
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 2: things that are not doing what you're doing?

1731
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: I would say though, Like I think for people listening,

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01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: I think it could feel very doomsday. You hear really

1733
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: scary things, and it's like, at the end of the day,

1734
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: it's such a life hack to just control what's in

1735
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: your sphere of influence.

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01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: And it's like I think, you know, when I get

1738
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: like that and I get nervous, like, well, what can

1739
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I do to move the needle in my own sphere

1740
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,919
Speaker 1: of influence? And you know, I'm not creating an AI company,

1741
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: so it's like it's a little bit out of my

1742
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: hands in that sense.

1743
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 2: But it's like, well, I think you I mean, I

1744
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: was going to bring this up anyway, and it connects

1745
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: to what you're saying right now. I mean, I know

1746
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 2: you and Jimmy have partnered multiple times and doing incredible

1747
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: things for our planet.

1748
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, which thank.

1749
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: You for being just such. You know, whenever people are

1750
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: like we made the right people famous, I'm like, yeah,

1751
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: we did. Like you know, it's it's amazing to see

1752
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 2: you guys using your platform to do the thing that

1753
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 2: inspiring all these kids and families and parents, and it's

1754
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: all young people that following you know, both of you,

1755
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: and for you to galvanize, whether it's Kai and you know,

1756
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: all the guys who are in the space and all

1757
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: the biggest creators and celebrities jumping in and you know,

1758
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: I think this year you raised what forty million.

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01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: Forty million, Yeah, so the first year we did this

1760
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: is mister BC, right, we did Team Tree, so we

1761
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: did twenty million dollars to plant twenty million trees. And

1762
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: then a few years later we did Team Water thirty.

1763
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Million dollars to cleaning up the beaches.

1764
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: Thirty million pounds of trash from the oceans. And then

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01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: this year the audacious goal of forty million dollars to

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01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: give two million people clean drinking water for decades, and

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01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: we did it. But what's the cool thing about that,

1768
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: Jay is the median donation was like five dollars.

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

1770
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's tooth fairy money, that's big sale money. Right.

1771
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: There were some big donors in there, but like on

1772
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: average it was five dollars. And what's so cool about

1773
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: that is then you know they're thinking like global citizens now,

1774
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Like they could have spent that on five dollars on

1775
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: candy on Pokemon cards, but they spent it on someone

1776
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 1: else to get clean drinking water for five years again

1777
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of planting seeds. It's like someone who now thinks

1778
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: that way, who you know, picks up trash now because

1779
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: they see it because they're on Team Ce's right, they

1780
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: don't they don't litter. They take care of the environment

1781
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 1: because they're on team trees like that that kind of impact.

1782
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: This is why I love working with young people. It's

1783
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: like it's the same thing with like going to another planet,

1784
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: like the trajectory you have. In fact, there's motors we

1785
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: have on these on these on these spacecraft were call

1786
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: the mouse fart motors where it's like it's the tiniest

1787
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: little poof because that difference in trajectory ninety million miles

1788
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: away is the difference of hitting a planet and missing

1789
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: by one hundred million miles, right, So it's like the

1790
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: same might be like a sort of with life. And

1791
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: this is why I love young folks. Like the clay

1792
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: isn't hardened yet and so they're impressionable. And at that age,

1793
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: I think we've evolved to think our parents are dumb,

1794
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: like that's so you leave the tribe like that's in

1795
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: our brain. So to be a voice that can be there,

1796
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: to be like hey, you know, to guide in a

1797
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: way that even parents can't because they're willing to listen

1798
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: and to me is kind of a big responsibility and

1799
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: one that you know, I love opportunities to flex that muscle.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Man, it's amazing. It's incredible watching you

1801
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 2: both do it, and the fact that you keep taking

1802
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 2: on a bigger challenge every year and killing it. Yeah,

1803
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: it's saying such a beautiful example. It's awesome to see

1804
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, you guys could be doing anything as well,

1805
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: and to see you both focus on meaningful challenges in

1806
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: the world and issues in the world and helping galvanize

1807
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: so many.

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01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, galvanize a bunch of other creators. I mean,

1809
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it only works because

1810
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: so many y.

1811
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but you guys heading, No, for sure.

1812
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: I love that you get everyone involved, but you need

1813
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 2: a couple of people of Spearhead and you guys do

1814
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: an amazing job of that. So Mark, it's been amazing

1815
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: getting to know you more to Yeah, it's been I

1816
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 2: feel like I've I've laughed, I've nearly cried, I've definitely

1817
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: you definitely got me thinking and you definitely got me

1818
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: even just it's It's what I love is when you

1819
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 2: meet someone in this format where they're not on screen

1820
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: in their world and you totally have an infectious energy

1821
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 2: about the world and curiosity and science and like you

1822
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: got me excited, like I'm like I need to be

1823
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: I need to be reading more of what you're doing.

1824
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: And that's the best feeling for me where I'm like,

1825
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 2: oh no, you live, you breathe it, you sleep it,

1826
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: it's it's who you are. And then when someone's around you,

1827
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 2: it's like I'm inspired by everything you're fascinated by and

1828
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: it's you know, let as spark as you were saying,

1829
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: like lighting a fire.

1830
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: Like I love to hear it. My favorite thing. I

1831
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: love that feeling. I love giving that feeling to others.

1832
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: So thank you for the time.

1833
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark. I end every episode of On Purpose with

1834
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: the final five. We ask these every guest. The questions

1835
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,520
Speaker 2: have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum,

1836
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: So Mark Robert, these are your final five. Question Number

1837
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 2: one is what's the best advice you've ever heard or received?

1838
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: This too shall pass like, which is like it's it,

1839
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: it will get easier, but also you're not as good

1840
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: as if things are awesome, like it will come back

1841
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: down as well. So the regression to me, I have

1842
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: to answer in like a sentence you.

1843
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 2: That's fine, that's why. Sentence question number two, what's the

1844
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: worst advice you ever had? Or receive, like.

1845
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: Don't go to bed angry, like you're just the idea,

1846
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 1: like go to bed, just go to bed. You're an

1847
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: emotional mind frame, like let it pass with anything, not

1848
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: even with the partner, just like let it pass and

1849
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: hit it when you're not thinking with your lizard brain.

1850
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it's true. Actually yeah it's And also sleep

1851
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 2: is good for you, So if you're gonna stay up angry,

1852
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: it's like probably not gonna help. Question number three, What's

1853
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: something you learned recently that blew your mind?

1854
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: That spider's legs are hydraulic, which is why I didn't

1855
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: know that. This is why when they die they're curled up.

1856
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,839
Speaker 1: It's because there's no more pressure in the system. Basically

1857
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: they put fluid into it. So you can actually take

1858
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: a syringe and put into a spider's back and put

1859
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,799
Speaker 1: air into it and their legs will open and expand.

1860
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Wow. No, no, what's something you've recently learned about yourself?

1861
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 2: Question number four that like.

1862
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: If I'm having a thought that's not productive, like rumination

1863
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: or like perseverating on a thing, I want to think

1864
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: it away and you aren't. Your thoughts like your mind

1865
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: is the sky, not the weather. And if you just

1866
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: don't give it life like it'll pass. Yeah, and you

1867
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it, right, that's hard to do.

1868
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 1: But like I mean, you know this with meditation, Like

1869
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: you know this better than anyone as an engineer. I

1870
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: had to learn this, you know, on my own.

1871
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's a beautiful thing to remember though that

1872
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 2: don't believe everything you think and your thoughts are not true.

1873
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: And absolutely you're the sky not the clouds. And yeah, no, beautiful.

1874
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Fifth and final question, we asked this that every guest

1875
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: who's ever been on the show, if you could create

1876
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: one law that everyone in the world had to follow,

1877
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: what would it be, Apart from buy crunch Labs.

1878
01:28:55,240 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: For christ, Before you can share a piece of social

1879
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: media information that makes you angry, you have to explain

1880
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: what a reasonable, thoughtful person on the other side of

1881
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: that argument.

1882
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: Would say, Oh, that's good.

1883
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: And if you can do that and put that into

1884
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the prompt, then you're allowed to hit share.

1885
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: That's good.

1886
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that would solve like ninety nine percent of

1887
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:19,959
Speaker 1: the world's problems.

1888
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: I love that. I was giving a presentation recently. Kerry

1889
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: Washington invite me to speak at her Day of Unreasonable conversations,

1890
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: which is all about sparking better conversation. And I had

1891
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: to do a presentation on how do we have healthier

1892
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 2: conversations online? And there was a statistic I did some

1893
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 2: research that found that when people had to read before

1894
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: they retweet, it dropped shares by up to seventy percent. Wow,

1895
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: because people don't read what they share, so you're going

1896
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 2: even one step further to comprehend and to actually understand

1897
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 2: a different perspective. But even read before retweet, like it

1898
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: just dropped shares, you know. And so yeah, I love

1899
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 2: your lawyer. It's a great one. It's a really really

1900
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: great one because yeah, it would change so much. Mark,

1901
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: it has been amazing talking to you today. For the

1902
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 2: two people who have never seen a Mark Robot video,

1903
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 2: make sure you go subscribe to Box Channels. I am

1904
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 2: definitely getting some of the gifts for my crunch Labs.

1905
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 2: I am definitely getting some of the crunch Labs for

1906
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 2: my niece and nephew this Christmas. I think they're going

1907
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: to love it. I can't wait. And Mark, thank you

1908
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 2: for so much for how you show up your creativity

1909
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 2: coming on the show today and sharing so openly and

1910
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 2: vulnerably and I look forward to getting to know you better. Man.

1911
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. If this is the year that

1912
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more,

1913
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: I need you to listen to this episode with Rick

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Speaker 2: Rubin on how to break into your most creative self,

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Speaker 2: how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and

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Speaker 2: the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're

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Speaker 2: trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin

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Speaker 2: episode is the one for you.

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Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,

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Speaker 1: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all

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Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say

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Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.