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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Died What Now?

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Speaker 1: The History podcast. It's not your history class with me,

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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlwood, History Harlote and read all books.

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Speaker 1: So did you know, gentle listeners, that Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: It was number two on the US Apple Podcast History

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Speaker 1: charts this week. So thank you. That's not me, that's you.

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Speaker 1: You did this. You've been listening and sharing and commenting

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Speaker 1: and doing all the good stuff, And thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. It's really really nice to just see that happen,

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Speaker 1: because it means that I'm doing something right, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I really really appreciate you for listening. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more emotional today because I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this on My grandfather was an aniversary. The kindest man

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Speaker 1: I've ever known and the pettiest. He once blow up

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Speaker 1: a quarry out of spite. And you may be thinking

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Speaker 1: to yourself, Katie, how does one blow up a quarry

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Speaker 1: out of spite? And let me tell you, with great

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Speaker 1: determination and a really good understanding of physics. Now I

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Speaker 1: don't have the physics part, but I do have the

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Speaker 1: determination and the pettiness, which is why I don't blow

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Speaker 1: things up I just set files for legal reasons, that's

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Speaker 1: a joke. I've never even been to Louisiana, so not here,

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Speaker 1: not a way anyway, So that's such a silly joke. Away,

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Speaker 1: there was such a silly joke. It was definitely a

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Speaker 1: joke for legal reasons. Definitely absolutely joke. No, and day

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Speaker 1: of release is actually going to be my son's birthday.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, oh goodness. If any of you do want

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Speaker 1: to get him some weird ass lego, go to town

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Speaker 1: the addresses on the websites and the notes, do what

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Speaker 1: you want to do at this point, do what you

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Speaker 1: want to do. The boy, God, the boy loves his lego,

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Speaker 1: he really does. Yeah, I think my house is gonna

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Speaker 1: be made a lego at one point, Like if he

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Speaker 1: keeps Karen on, and honestly, I'm not mad about it,

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Speaker 1: it'd be great. Maybe he could bug me some more

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Speaker 1: shelves or something like a bookcase, a bookcase made of lego.

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing. So what's been really interesting this

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Speaker 1: week for me actually has been seeing how people perceive me.

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Speaker 1: So like, if you've listened to me or seen me

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Speaker 1: for a long time, then you know what I'm about.

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Speaker 1: You know where I'm coming from and you understand what

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Speaker 1: I do. A lot of people have seen me for

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Speaker 1: the first time this week, can then a little bit viral,

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Speaker 1: A little bit viral. I like, I feel like, once

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Speaker 1: feel like, that's yeah, I'm gonna take that. It's a

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Speaker 1: viral moment because that's that's that's a country, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a population of a country, you know. And so

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Speaker 1: people have seen me for the first time talking about

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Speaker 1: very horrible things, and I've had a lot of accusations

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Speaker 1: and complaints about me being perky or joyful or happy

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Speaker 1: to talk about horrible stuff, which is well to me

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Speaker 1: because no, I think people need to spend time with

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Speaker 1: other humans more, because I understand media literacy is dead,

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Speaker 1: but like, come on, and so people have been watching

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Speaker 1: me for a long time. I've actually had comments and

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Speaker 1: messages going thank you for this. I can see how

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Speaker 1: this is draining, Like I can see how exhausted you are.

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Speaker 1: I can see how much this is affecting you, and

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I lost my voice. I lost

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Speaker 1: take a week off because it was just too much

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Speaker 1: for me. And that really solidified the idea that I

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna try and get as much information out

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Speaker 1: then I'm going to talk about anything else. Email me

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Speaker 1: suggestions for weird shit from history. I need something silly

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Speaker 1: and fun. I'm ridiculous because I'll do it at this

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Speaker 1: point because this stuff I have had to look at,

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Speaker 1: the horrible, horrible stuff, Like I haven't felt this bad

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Speaker 1: And and yeah, that was that was tough. Raid. That

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, Kerrie, it's been five minutes. Quite your Jebel dabba,

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Speaker 1: In fact me, in fact you. I. Well, but first

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Speaker 1: Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos by the United States, Holocaust

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Speaker 1: Memorial music, The Dynamics of Destruction, The Development of Concentration

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Speaker 1: Nazi concentration Camps. A Critical Reevaluation of the epistemological and

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Speaker 1: ethical dimension by Voca Rulka. The role of psychopharmacology in

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Speaker 1: the medical abuses of the Third Reich, from euthanasia programs

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Speaker 1: Chronicle by Marilyn harron Ettal Cleansing the Fatherland by Peter Kraust,

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Speaker 1: to Healing by Natalie hess If this is a woman

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Speaker 1: inside Ravensbrook, Hitler's Concentration Camp for Women by Sarah helm

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Speaker 1: The Nazi camp System by Karl Hines Roth. I use

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Speaker 1: discussed the horrible, horrific, vile human that was Ilma Gracie,

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Speaker 1: the Beast of Belson, the Hyena of Auschwitz. Her right.

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Speaker 1: to Ilma, I just get that vibe but evil, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Ilma Gletsie was just just a terrible person. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't listened to last week's episode and you think

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Speaker 1: go do that this week's episode. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be much better. So blanket warning. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: safe episode. If you are upset by human suffering, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be bad. It's bad. Put it's on me

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Speaker 1: to listen to the whole thing. If you want to

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Speaker 1: Chicago Testical Thieves, because that's just funny and also very surprised,

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Speaker 1: They could be out there digging ditches, creating pats of

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00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: a handkell which made aircraft for the army. So the

422
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Luftwaffa they could be building the two rockets for Semens,

423
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: they could be working in textile mills or making uniforms

424
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: for soldiers. Like one of the things they had to

425
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: do was sort through the uniforms of like Soviet soldiers,

426
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: which were often like dirty, infected with lice and all this.

427
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: So you had them, you had people that were on

428
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and like corpse detail, so they would move corpses. Like

429
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: there was one work detail which basically had a big

430
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: i want to say, like a plow, except it was

431
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: a big stone and they were just drag it until

432
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: they died. So when they left, like you know, the

433
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: main camp where the barracks are, and they had to

434
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: travel to all of these factories to work. They would

435
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: walk miles, like you're talking miles, and so eventually sort

436
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of like Stemens, I know, what they had done is

437
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: they had moved their their sort of buildings, their little

438
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: factory workshops closer because they were like, no, they're too tired,

439
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: they don't have this. And the women who worked in

440
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: the factories, like factory detail was one of the worst

441
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: that you could get because you're more likely to die

442
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: if you were on factory detail, Like you have an

443
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: eleven hour workday and you were not allowed to break.

444
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: You just weren't allowed one. And that's ah. Now, I

445
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's a form of labor, because

446
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: this is slavery. So because the majority of the Lavin's

447
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Brook camp prisoners were political prisoners, asocials, et cetera, their

448
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: heads weren't necessarily shaved, especially if they were blonde. See

449
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: Lavinsbrook being a female. You know, concentration camp because that's

450
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: where they put them. It was the main supplier for

451
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: the brothels set up in most major camps towards the

452
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: end of the war. And you'll hear people argue, oh,

453
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: it was voluntary, it was a voluntary thing. No, some

454
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: women were sent there as punishment. First of all, there's

455
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: no such thing as voluntary when you're a prisoner, right,

456
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: if you're a slave, you can't volunteer to do a

457
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: thing because other people have the power they are controlling you. Like,

458
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: don't don't act like this was a choice. That isn't

459
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: a choice. These women desperate, starving, suffering, many of whom

460
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: not speaking the same language as each other, they're here

461
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: and they are told that they're going to be freed

462
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: from the camp system in six months if they if

463
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: they volunteer for the service. Nobody was ever released. They

464
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: were never released early. It was a lie. What the

465
00:34:52,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Nazis lied? Shocking, what's next the British government. So these

466
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: women got slightly better rations and they were exempt from

467
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: factory work, but they actually had a higher death rate

468
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: from sexual abuse and venereal diseases. So there's this whole

469
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: thing of of the brothels in the camps, and the

470
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: brothels in the camps weren't necessarily there to service theess

471
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: because it was seen as a violation to have sexual

472
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: relations with a Jewish person, you know, so if they

473
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: were Jewish, couldn't do that. A socials and things you got,

474
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: you've got wiggle room there, which yeah, otherwise you're like

475
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: a race difiler, you know. And so and so a

476
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of the purpose for these brothels within the camps

477
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: was for the male inmates, Like a lot of it

478
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: was you did a good job, go have sex now,

479
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: like that was a thing, which again is just another

480
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: way to elicit control. So although you had more women

481
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: dying in factory work or as a result of factory work,

482
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: the death rate comparative Lacau. Obviously, less women are being

483
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: sent to the brothels. You have a higher death rate

484
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: for women in the brothels than those working in the factory.

485
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: But more people. More women died doing factory work. But

486
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: no matter which way you put it, they were commodities. Now,

487
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: adult women weren't the only people in the camp. There

488
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: were also children. The arrivals list that Lavensburg named eight

489
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one children between ages two and sixteen

490
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: from eighteen different nations. Between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen

491
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: forty five, children would arrive with their mothers. The largest

492
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I believe was after the Vasa uprising. Children would have

493
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: to line up with their mothers for row call, which

494
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: could take hours, and they had to stand. They had

495
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't know if you've ever met

496
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: a toddler. That's not an easy thing to do. When

497
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: the women were working, the children had to stay indoors

498
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: in the barracks. When they turned twelves, boys were sent

499
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: to the men's camp and girls were sent to work

500
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: in the factories. And with the combination of diseases sleeping

501
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: through the camp. Children were often the first to die. Now,

502
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying people argue people who never took a biology

503
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: class or home ech because they teach you body science

504
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: in home ech. Right, that's part of it. It's not

505
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: just learning how to bake a pie. Right. So I've

506
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: heard these kind of people argue that, you know, children

507
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: don't need as many calories, and children should survive longer

508
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: because they to eat less. No, No, what's something you

509
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: notice about children? It's not the same as adults. Right,

510
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: they grow, they get bigger, right, A lot of their

511
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: calorie consumption is used to help them grow. Right, that's

512
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: how that works. Right, Adults we've stopped growing. We just

513
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: need calories to maintain. Right, That's why kids can snack, right, becauds.

514
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: They're just consuming more calories a little bit often to

515
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: keep them growing and producing more cells and blood and

516
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: all that jazz. Right, all that. So they're doing that,

517
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: that's what they need them for. And so children because

518
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: they actually need to consume more. Then, of course, if

519
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: they get any sort of pre existing conditions like those

520
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: can also also force them to require sometimes double triple

521
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the calories that other children would need. You know, So

522
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: children because they are smaller, they are more susceptible, and

523
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: so they would die. Some women were worked to death,

524
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: leaving children orphaned, with no one to care for them,

525
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: making them susceptible to dangers. And then sometimes you would

526
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: get these they'd call them camp mothers, so they would

527
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: just take care. They would claim a child and look

528
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: after them and care for them. And some of these

529
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: kids managed to survive somehow, I say, somehow, through care

530
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and community and protection from other women, Like they didn't

531
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: have this child, this was not their child, this was

532
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: someone else. And they were in a situation in which

533
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: their lives, their lives were on the line, and they

534
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: still went out of their way to protect them. Like

535
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: that's how they survived. That's how. So, like I said earlier,

536
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: some babies that were born near the end of the

537
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: war managed to survive as well. Conditions worsened over time

538
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: at the camp and the crematoria just couldn't keep up

539
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: with the bodies of the dead. And on top of that,

540
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: it just it wasn't running at maximum capacity because Germany

541
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: was having a coke shortage. Coke, if you don't know,

542
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: it's it's coal based. It's a coal based fuel, right,

543
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit like charcoal, you know. In

544
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: it it's a very consistent like burning unit, Like it

545
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: keeps a very consistent burn, and it's sort of chalking,

546
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: is probably the best way I could describe it. And

547
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: so there's a shortage in Germany cause well the war,

548
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: and they don't have the same supply chains. It's kill

549
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: of like how they invented Fanta. They just didn't have

550
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: the supply chains. Of course I had to make a

551
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: fontal stage reference. Of course I did. I can't help myself.

552
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: Listen back to the Coca Cola episode, which I think

553
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: is like episode three or something. If you don't listen

554
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: to it, it's shit. So I could read it that one.

555
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: So in the beginning of nineteen forty two, the SSS

556
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: started selections and the prisoners who were deemed too injured,

557
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: week or sick to work were killed. Initially, they were shot,

558
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: but bullets are expensive and time consuming. They decided instead

559
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: to transfer them to Bernberg, which had been used for

560
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: Action T four. Action T four was the state sponsored

561
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: euthanasia program where they killed disabled people, adult children, psychiatric patients, etc.

562
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: It had a gas chamber because, of course they tested

563
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: out on disabled people first, as part of Operation I

564
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Fear If I'm Try. The Essays sent sixteen hundred female

565
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: prisoners and three hundred male prisoners to start. Half were Jewish,

566
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: twenty five were Roma, and thirteen were Jehovah's witnesses. The

567
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: next round of the euthanasia killings happened later that year.

568
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: This carried on until nineteen forty five, when a gas

569
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: chamber was constructed at the camp, and during those two

570
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: and a half years, around sixty transports left for Hattime

571
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: near Lyndz in Austria. Each of those transports held anywhere

572
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: between sixty to one thousand prisoners each time. Some weren't

573
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: sent away at all, some were just killed using lethal

574
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: injections in the camp infirmary. Other were transferred out to

575
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: AlSi fitz Berganal And like the gas chamber in the

576
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Raven's Brook was only running for three four months, and

577
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: during that time they gassed six thousand prisoners. What's interesting

578
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: is when the camp opened up, initially it was seen

579
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: as like a really decent prison, Like you had women

580
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: who were sent there who had been placed in sort

581
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: of camps and prisons in the Soviet areas that the

582
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: right had taken over, and like there was one such

583
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: prisoner she was talking about, Like when she first went there,

584
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: she was given like proper meals. You had porridge with

585
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: dried fruit, you had coffee, like it was a substantial breakfast.

586
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Right by the time the camp were nearing the end,

587
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: they were getting black bread and like a little like

588
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: a half cup of coffee, Like it was barely enough

589
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: to sustain you. But when it started, it was like, oh,

590
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: look we're treating our prisoners really well. Look at all

591
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: the food they're getting. So on and so forth, and

592
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: like the barracks were supposed to be initially like one

593
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: to a bed, and by the end it was four,

594
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: and they were topping and tailing, so like your head

595
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: was next to someone's feet. The bodies of the dead

596
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: they would just leave on the floor of the barracks.

597
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: And they used to have like toilets, I say toilets.

598
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: They had latrines, and they had sort of little bathrooms

599
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: to clean themselves. And by the end there wasn't really

600
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: anything to clean themselves with. It was it was filthy.

601
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: But the women the camp they would have like I

602
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: want to say it, like a clean ritual and they

603
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: would make the effort to wash themselves, you know, with

604
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: whatever they could, so that they had this semblance of

605
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: of of normalcy, you know, something that was like a

606
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: little protest to the abuse they were suffering. So many

607
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: women were in this camp, like from a whole host

608
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: of backgrounds, Like you had like a princess and a

609
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: watchmaker and a French member of the s OE, the

610
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: Special Operations Executive, which is like I five before it

611
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: was m I five, So you've got you know again, princesses, watchmaker, spies,

612
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Irish nuns because of course there are go place, go

613
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: into any country and try and not find an Irish nun,

614
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: I dare it. I mean I think currently the only

615
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: p there isn't an iriturn as Palestine, and that's because

616
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: they've probably already been shot. So what I'm gonna do

617
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: as well, is I'm going to do an episode a

618
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: bit y so probably where I'm just going to like

619
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: explain a few people who were you know, murdered in

620
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: these camps or died as a result of being in

621
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: these camps. And again I'm not a fan of nuns

622
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: at the best of times, but these guys, I mean

623
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: respect for some of them. You know. I mean some

624
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: of them did did very well, you know, and you

625
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: know weren't horrible. They actu did things to save lives.

626
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: So so many people died in these camps, so apart

627
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: from gas chambers, little injection and being transferred to a book.

628
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Now you had around four thousand prisoners who were sent

629
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: to Ukomach, which was a youth camp for deviant girls

630
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: which had been dissolved because they needed the room. I

631
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: think I'll cover that as well in another Bayso some

632
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: people when they were brought here were murdered by gassing, starvation,

633
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: or strychnine poisoning. Every two to three weeks, the prisoners

634
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: would be tested by the ESSs Commandant and the doctors

635
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: by lifting their skirts above their heads and running. Anyone

636
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: with scars, swollen ankles, or were two weak to keep

637
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: up were sent to recovery at Midvada. Sometimes this meant

638
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: that they were locked in a room and left to die.

639
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Others were put in a special van that had been

640
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: converted into mobile gas chambers with the exhaust pipe directly

641
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: connected to the freight compartment, and people were dead within

642
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes. More than one hundred and thirty

643
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: two thousand women and children were incarcerated into Lavin's book,

644
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: and it's estimated that ninety two thousand died by starvation, executions,

645
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: or disease. In the last few months of the war,

646
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: and with the Red Army approaching, Thes decided to cut

647
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: their losses and exterminate as many prisoners as possible. They

648
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of the evidence, to remove as

649
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: many witnesses of their crimes as possible, because they were caught.

650
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: They were caught. They shitted at the fan, and the

651
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Red Army was coming for them. So in March nineteen

652
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: forty five, one hundred and thirty pregnant women and babies

653
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: were gassed. They tried to cover up their shit, some

654
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: of the documents destroyed, but they had so many. Because

655
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: they were fastidious. They even tried to manipulate the perception

656
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: of the camp. They collected a group of the healthiest

657
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: French women and had them sent back to France with

658
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: the so promised that they would not speak of the

659
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Speaker 1: worst of it. Basically, the Swedish and Danish Red Cross

660
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: had well they existed, and so they found basically the

661
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: healthiest looking girls they had. They grabbed their inmates. They

662
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: put them on these and were just like, we will

663
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Speaker 1: let you live, but watch out. And some women, till

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Speaker 1: the day they died, could not speak of the horrors

665
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Speaker 1: that happened to them at the camp. They could not

666
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Speaker 1: speak of the worst. At the end of March nineteen

667
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Speaker 1: forty five, the SS decided to transfer the archives and

668
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Speaker 1: machinery from the workshop to a safer place. On the

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh and twenty eighth of April, all women who

670
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Speaker 1: still could walk were ordered to leave the camp in

671
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Speaker 1: a death march. Twenty four thousand, five hundred people marched.

672
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Speaker 1: Three thousand women and three hundred men would survive the march.

673
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: Lavensbrook was liberated by the Russian Army on the thirtieth

674
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Speaker 1: of April nineteen forty five. So they came in, they

675
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: saw the horror of the camp, and they were told

676
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: by those who could not leave that others had marched

677
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: ahead of them, and the survivors of the march were

678
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Speaker 1: liberated by a Soviet scout unit some hours later. After

679
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: liberation came the trials. The Lavensburg Trials were a series

680
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Speaker 1: of British military tribunals held in Hamburg between December nineteen

681
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Speaker 1: forty six in July nineteen forty eight, the purpose of

682
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: which was to bring to justice those responsible for the

683
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: atrocities at Raavensbrook. So remember it's the largest concentration camp

684
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Speaker 1: for women in the entire German Reich. Those responded for

685
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: subjecting women to force labor executions, starvations, and medical experiments.

686
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: The trails were conducted in like seven separate proceedings and

687
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: they would target a range of accused camp commandants, SS doctors,

688
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: the officernins, so the female guards, the prisoner functionaries, so

689
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: they function schaftling, so the people, the prisoners that they

690
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: had recruited to work for the Nazis, like in the camps,

691
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: which again it's a bit of a sticky wicket because

692
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: in a place where you are under physical and psychological torture,

693
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: is there really a choice? Is there really an option?

694
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Speaker 1: Like this is where the idea of just following orders

695
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: will like, it doesn't fly with me any member of

696
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: the SS. It was like, mother goddess, no, motherfucker, you

697
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: don't make up the ladder and the SS like, you

698
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: don't get that high by just following orders. If you

699
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: are a prisoner and you are being forced to work

700
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: and the present and which you are imprisoned, were like,

701
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: it's due or die. I don't really see you having

702
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: much of a choice, especially when you are you know

703
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: you are are being tortured yourself because you've got sleep deprivation, starvation,

704
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: like physical abuse. You've got it all. Like they deliberately

705
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: caused suffering in the camps, like that's the goal. So

706
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: those who were collaborating or involved in this. The charge

707
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: included murder, brutal abuse, deportation for forced labor, medical experiments

708
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: that maimed or killed prisoners, and these trials were significant

709
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: in that they placed many female perpetrators, which were often

710
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: overlooked in accounts of Nazi crimes, on the same legal

711
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: footing as their male counterparts, and the outcomes reflected the

712
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: severity of the crimes proven in court. Many defendants were convicted,

713
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: with sentences ranging from prison terms to execution by hanging.

714
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Others were acquitted when evidence was insufficient or their involvement

715
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: deemed minimal. Testimony from survivors was crucial, and this painted

716
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: a harrowing picture of daily life in the camp in

717
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: exposing the systemic cruelty. Like the Lavin's book trials, they

718
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: didn't just provide justice for victims, but they also expanded

719
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: the historical understanding of the Holocaust, and this challenged the

720
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: stereotype that women in the third record really passive participants,

721
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: and because they were involved, like el mccracy from last

722
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: week's episode, she was involved. And as someone who's always

723
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: fighting and arguing about how women are often left out

724
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: of the history books, how their stories are hidden and

725
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,959
Speaker 1: removed and everything they've done is swept under the rug

726
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: and ignored, it would be disingenuous of me, It would

727
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: be insincere, and it would make me a fucking terrible

728
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: historian if I didn't talk about this too, if I

729
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: didn't bring this up. Because the majority of the people

730
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: running the camp on the day to day were women,

731
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: the officer heraline, and it was then because a lot

732
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: of the men were fighting the war, so they had

733
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: to hire women even though they didn't want women to

734
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: have jobs, which I'm going to clarify even though I

735
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: really shouldn't have to. But that is not a win,

736
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: That is not a step forward for feminism. That's just

737
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: cruelty and murder. So as I was researching this, I

738
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: came across an interesting statistic, and that was the rate

739
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: of death in the Raven's Brook or from Laven's Brook,

740
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: and it was I think forty two percent basically depending

741
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: on where look, it kind of goes anywhere between third

742
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: and nine and forty two. And if it is forty

743
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: two percent, then that would mean that within the German borders,

744
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: like we're talking nineteen thirty seven borders of Germany, the

745
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: core country, that Ravensbrook would have had the highest death

746
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: rate out of any of the German camps. Now that's

747
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: only if that's that's correct. I haven't been able to

748
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: fully validate that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it

749
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: was true, because A rounded about that it's new and

750
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Rama and Bug and Bilson like they're very very close,

751
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: only because the mortality rate I think ran longer in

752
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: the Leaven's Book. So it's a very interesting statistic to

753
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: think about anyway. So those three are very interesting to

754
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: consider because people talk about how there wasn't death happening

755
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: within Nazi borders, like of their own country as opposed

756
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: to where they'd invaded. But yeah, that's that one hundred

757
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: and thirty two thousand passed through the camp. Ninety two

758
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: thousand did not survive, and like all fucking cowards, when

759
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: they were caught, they tried to cover it up, and

760
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: so ends our story on Raven's book Concentration Camp. It

761
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: feels really weird to say if you enjoyed this episode.

762
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: So if you were informed by this episode, if you

763
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: were educated by this episode, if you were made to

764
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: cry goddamn it by this episode, rate and review five stars.

765
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: If you're thinking, geez, she didn't say fuck this for

766
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: a game of soldiers. I didn't have a point. I

767
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a moment where that was appropriate. But there

768
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: it is. I've said the catchphrase, and in the end,

769
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: it's there. You've got it. But here's the thing. I

770
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: know I haven't covered everything in this episode, but we're

771
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: already urging on an hour, and it feels weird to say.

772
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: If you liked this episode or enjoyed this episode, if

773
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: you were informed by this episode, if you were educated

774
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: in any way by this episode, feel free to rate

775
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: and review five stars. You can say nice things about me.

776
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: You don't have to say nice things about the episode

777
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: because it's horrible, and I know I missed stuff. I

778
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: know there's things that I haven't included in this but

779
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: there's so much. There's so much, so I am going

780
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: to cover some pieces and some people in the whole etisode,

781
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: I think in a few bits on social media, just

782
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: to kind of cover everything. I'm gonna try and do

783
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: different parts. But because I'm focusing on Nazi concentration camps,

784
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: it has given me somewhat of a finite space, not

785
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot, because there's a huge, huge amount that I

786
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: can talk about and I've barely touched on out with Germany.

787
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be dealing with that in covering a

788
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: few more and we're gonna power through and get through

789
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: as much sounds really weird to say it, to try

790
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: and educate you as much as possible, although I feel

791
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: like with the recent happenings, I'm gonna be having to

792
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: explain Gestapo to people, which is gonna be super fun.

793
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not gonna be fun at all. Recommendation time,

794
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: We're just gonna skip right into recommendation time because like

795
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the socials, you know where I am. You

796
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: just just go for me. Katie Charlewood, who didn't want

797
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: to know one of those is gonna be right, okay.

798
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: So we have we have watching for watching. I'm gonna

799
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: recommend because it's the twentieth anniversary, watch When the Levees Broke,

800
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: like or I think there's one on National Geographic It's

801
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 1: a Race against Time, another Hurricane Katrina documentary. They are

802
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: they are powerful and worth watching, and it really gives

803
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: a very human side to the story because history doesn't

804
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: exist in a vacuum. The whole is the sum of

805
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: its parts, you know, And and I just think it's

806
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: very important to have like the whole story, like from

807
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: the boots in the ground, from the people that survived it.

808
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: For lessening sidebar, because I haven't done a sidebar this

809
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: whole time because I've been too upset. So I have

810
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: tried listening to four separate podcast series, just anything that

811
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: has that sort of like eight to ten episodes, Like

812
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: I'll settle for a six episode series if it's really good,

813
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, something finite, and when something that's the beginning

814
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: of middle of an end, you know, I want to

815
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: hear a series like over my Dead Body, Doctor Death,

816
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: the Cotton Club, Barder, West Cork, you know, something like hmm.

817
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: But there is nothing I despise more when I'm listening

818
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: to a podcast than a reenactment. I can't stand them.

819
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: I can't. I've actually stopped listening because of very very

820
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: poor reenactments, because like, if I wanted to listen to

821
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: a radio play, I'd listen to a radio play. I

822
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: love a radio play, but don't put radio play in

823
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: my podcast. I'm I'm here to listen to you tell

824
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: the story, like, I don't mind if you bring someone

825
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: else to do the odd voice or you have a

826
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: quote in, but don't reenact a scene, like unless you're

827
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: doing it for humorous purposes, which I can I can

828
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: be fine with. But I don't listen to a lot

829
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: of like humor podcasts actually because I don't. I just

830
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm like infor me, like tell me

831
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: the whole story, like I want to hear the bits,

832
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: but like, and there was one that I tried to

833
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: listen to and I thought, this is gonna be really

834
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: interesting because the whole point is that it tells two

835
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: sides of the story. I was like, Oh, this is

836
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna be really good. It was not. It was not.

837
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should try, like the

838
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: second episode to even get into it. You know what,

839
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not done yet. You know what, else bothers me

840
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: when a podcast has a misleading name, motherfucker, don't do

841
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: that to me. No, don't call yourself cult talk and

842
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: then have two episodes on cults and the rest of

843
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: it just be here's weird crime, Like, no, don't do that.

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: Tell me about cults, like, come on, there's there's been

845
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: enough of them. You can tell me things. Or it'll

846
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's it's the poisoners notes and it's

847
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: like great, and then it'll be like two episodes and

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01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: poison and the rest will just be general crime. And

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, why are you telling me that? Like this

850
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't even vaguely related, Like I want to

851
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm getting into before I start, Like I

852
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: know what Generation why is about small town world? Da

853
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: is ron sealed. Diamond Goat does exactly what it says

854
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: on the tin right, Crime in Sports, Crime in sports right?

855
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: This is sports sports crime, sporty people doing crime right,

856
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,479
Speaker 1: which is like one of my you know what, fucking

857
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: listen to Crime in Sports. I've decided listen to Crime

858
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: in Sports. It's a really really good show. I enjoy it.

859
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: You don't need to know anything about sports to enjoy it.

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01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: That's listening recommendation, because fuck it. Now reading and this

861
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: is where I'm going to get serious. I am going

862
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: to urge you to read the Eyes of Gaza, a

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: diary of resilience by pleas Ya Alahad. It is beautiful

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: and optimistic and horrific and painful, and it is such

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: a worthwhile read. It's heavy, but it's worth listening to.

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: Her story is worth listening to. And with everything that's happened,

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01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: because at time of recording, the Algazera, entire, entire Algerie

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: journalists in Gaza have been murdered by Israel. That is

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: what's happened. And when you're killing the journalists, when you're

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01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: killing the people that are showing what is happening, that

871
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: are telling the truth, then in no way are you

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: protecting anyone you are destroying. And with that, I am

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: going to bid you good night. Adios au revoirs of

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Speaker 1: Where Is My Friends? Bye bye