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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser and Jason

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Speaker 1: Kelly from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Jason Kelly and I'm Carol Masser.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Business Week Extra. It's our weekly podcast,

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Speaker 1: bring you an in depth interview you will not hear

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. And man, this is a cool one. We

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Speaker 1: caught up with Andrew hinder Ocker. He's the writer and

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Speaker 1: creator of Netflix's new series Away. It's stars Hilary Swank.

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Speaker 1: It just dropped on September four. But it's a series

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Speaker 1: that centers on an International space crew as they head

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Speaker 1: to Mars. It was inspired by an Esquire article back

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Speaker 1: in seventeen about astronaut Scott Kelly's mission aboard the International

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Speaker 1: Space Station. I've got space in my roots. My dad

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Speaker 1: was very involved in the space program. This is so cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was so lucky in Seen. I was brought this

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Speaker 1: beautiful article that you mentioned by Chris Jones and Jason

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Speaker 1: Cadam's who had us know from Friday Night Lights and Parenthood.

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Speaker 1: He had optioned the article along with Matt Reeves, just

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Speaker 1: fabulous director of many of films, the upcoming Batman and um.

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Speaker 1: They were interested in doing a series and mission to Mars.

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Speaker 1: And I had worked for Jason previously and it brought

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Speaker 1: me this article UH and asked if I was interested,

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Speaker 1: and it was pretty immediate. Yes, I feel about space exploration.

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Speaker 1: Sounds amazing. But what I particularly responded to with this

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Speaker 1: article is that Chris went into death in UM. The

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Speaker 1: article itself is about Scott Kelly, the astronaut, Scott Kelly

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Speaker 1: and the mission aboard the International Space Station UH, and

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Speaker 1: Chris talks about the International Space Ship Station itself and

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Speaker 1: this improbable alliance of the then crumbling Soviet Union in

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Speaker 1: a mission to Mars. The idea that it would be

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Speaker 1: That was a really interesting and big idea to be

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Speaker 1: very hopeful UM. And then on a much more intimate level,

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Speaker 1: And so that moment really UM spoke to me very personally.

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Speaker 1: And so from that UM came the story of an

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Speaker 1: international crew going to Mars and as they're about to

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Speaker 1: what you managed to capture with this show, and I

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Speaker 1: think you're alluding to, is this this notion of simultaneously

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Speaker 1: then one of the most intimate things. How do you

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Speaker 1: balance that as a writer and as a storyteller. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's to me, it's just nothing more thrilling than getting

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Speaker 1: writing part has always been solitary, Andrew, but the creation

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