WEBVTT - Part Four: Adolf Eichmann: Mr. Holocaust Himself 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:09.440 Oh my goodness, gracious, Jiminy Christmas, it's behind the Bastards 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.959 a podcast about Adolph Iikman for the last two weeks, 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.320 mister Holocaust himself as I shouldn't have titled these episodes 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.720 what's wrong with me? Uh? 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:19.919 What? 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:21.600 Enough time for that? 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.400 Whatever? Yeah, whatever is wrong with me? It's not what's 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.000 wrong with our guest for today Joe Kassalian, who actually 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.880 necessary similar kind of person in some way. So anyway, Joe, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.639 welcome to the show. Hello, what is wrong with us? 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:36.599 Why do we do this? 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.040 And I don't know, I don't know. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.720 All I know is that we're talking about friend of 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.920 the pod, Adolph Iikman, who is, you know, the head 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.680 of the Jewish Desk for Genocide at the SD at 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.680 this point. He is, prior in the previous episodes, established 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.160 himself as the Czar of the Jews, partly by taking 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.120 credit for a lot of acts of genocide that he 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.120 actually didn't orchestrate or that he had a smaller part in. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.080 You know, he's been kind of pissing off a lot 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.360 of his colleagues prior to this point by lying about 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.679 what he's done and taking credit for shit they've done. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:15.840 And now we're at the point in the war where 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.160 things are bad enough that everyone's like, oh, yeah, that 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.640 shit I did Iikman definitely did it. This was absolutely him, right, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.919 And they're going from being like throwing his name around 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.200 to get shit done to being like, oh, Iikman, I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.160 hardly know him. 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.760 You know Iikeman showing up at the Nazi table to 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.200 see if everybody could like show off the ranks of 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.399 war crimes. To find out he's the only one still 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:37.720 doing it. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.000 Like yeah, ah fuck, oh yeah, you're it's all on you. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:41.639 Oh buddy. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.280 Yeah. I would have done that too, because I know 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.319 he would have taken credit for it. Yeah yeah. It's like, look, man, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.360 you've been stealing my content for years now, you could 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:50.720 have it. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.880 Yeah, Heinrik Kimler's like, hey, you want my coat, my 0:01:55.040 --> 0:02:07.640 name documents, Yeah, buddy. So in the final two years 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.240 of the war, sas perpetrators, particularly the crew of men 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.040 around Iikman, would go through a rapid process of flipping 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.240 from wanting the Holocaust to be on their CVS to 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.000 wanting to hide their involvement, and this was often done 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.120 by pinning their own actions on Iikman, who is their 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.079 most famous coworker in the field of genocide. He's the 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.359 He's the Alan Smithy or whatever that fake director name 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.000 that you like put on a movie if you don't 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.040 want your name on it. He's the Alan Smithy of 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.960 genocide where you're like, yeah, let's just say he did it. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.320 The Allies consciously sought to spook top Nazis and the 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.280 final years of the war. And it's very fair to 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.359 critique the Allies, to critique Roosevelt, to critique even Eisenhower 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.760 of not doing enough to put a stop to the Holocaust, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.359 because they don't. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.640 They absolutely don't. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.799 Choices were made not to bomb railroads, and they knew 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.200 what was happening, they had reports. This is on them, right. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.840 It's part of why Eisenhower acts so strongly to document 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.880 what had happened afterwards is he feels bad. He knows 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:04.840 he could have done more. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.920 Right, they all do, and they straight up refuse to 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.760 bomb Auschwitz when there is an agent inside. I'm probably 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.680 mispronouncing his name of it. Told Pilecki, yes, like beg 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.960 them to bomb it. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.200 It's like, look, we would all rather die stop it now, right. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.200 Yeah, that was like the undergrounds, take inside the cams 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:25.800 like we would rather all fucking die. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.360 Yes, please blow this place up with us in it. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.880 If it's just said no, yeah, and they said no. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.800 One thing the Allies do do that does save some lives, right, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.240 not enough, but some is. They start broadcasting the names 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.160 of ss mass murderers on illegal radio stations that are 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.520 broadcasting into occupied territory, saying we know who you are, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.280 and if you cut the shit off right now, you 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.080 might have a chance of surviving post war the old 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.040 doc sing right, Some number of guys are like, yeah, 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.560 I'm gonna pull back a little bit, right, and that 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.800 does save some number of life not nearly enough, but 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.800 it's a thing that they're doing, right, And this is 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.800 partly why people start pulling back and letting Iikman take 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.960 more credit and trying to because they're like, oh, I 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.160 heard my name on the radio. That's not good. Have 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.280 you heard how fast the Russians are advancing? 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.480 Shit, I am already running west. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.640 Yeah. Yeah. Expunging the evidence of their own complicity and 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.000 putting it on Iikman was made easier by the fact 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.080 that the self proclaimed Czar of the Jews seem to 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.320 have no overt sense of self preservation or desire to 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.599 deny his role even once it became clear that this 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.120 was going to be bad for him. He must have 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.440 noticed the rapid change among his colleagues, but Tina Stangnath 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.359 rights than the last year of the war, his friends 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.440 stopped meeting him for lunch quote even though the and 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.520 I love this part, even though the canteen and Iikman's 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.520 office building was one of the few who have to 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.080 have remained untouched by the air raids. Right, he's the 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.080 only guy of the working kitchen, and we won't go 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.440 to lunch with him. That's how mad his position. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.080 Is, said Aikman, sitting alone at lunch. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.680 Yeah, does no one know that my kitchen is still working? 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.240 You guys want to trade by Bob ppa. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.880 J Yeah, and they are all starving and they're like, nah, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.159 but I'm not gonna eat there. Bro, Like, you don't 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.719 want to be seen next to that motherfucker right. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.719 Fuck that, I'm boiling my boots. This sucks. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.599 He is so toxic people will give up the guarantee 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.239 of a full belly to be avoid being seen next 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.000 to him. He would later complain about the whiplash of 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.159 being dumped so unceremoniously by the whole less ass elite 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.080 and complain that a few years earlier people couldn't do 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.360 enough to invite me to minister's meetings or to unofficial meetings, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.360 private dinners and such like. But once the Russians broke 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.800 through in Poland, he became a sort of ghost. Right. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.599 He's like man a year ago, two years ago, I 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.599 was at every dinner. No one even wants to eat 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:39.760 at my place anymore. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.400 We used to be cool. Man, What happened? 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.119 What happened? Right. For his part, while Eichmann didn't seek 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.200 to erase his own record, he did later claim that 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.440 he spent the last months of the war engaged just 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.200 in simple logistics tasks. Right, Oh, I wasn't doing any 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.040 more genocide at this point. I was trying to make 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.600 sure enough food made it into Berlin for the defenders, right, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.400 and my office had enough defenses for the fighting, right, Like, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.400 I wasn't involved in anything horrible, right, just normal war stuff. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.320 This is a lie. By the end of forty four, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.559 even the most deluded SS officials knew their goose was cooked, 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.600 and also they had no more goose to eat. A 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.600 decision was no more goose to step. Yeah, there's no 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.680 more gooses to step or to eat. A decision was 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.000 made that even if the war against the Allies was 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.200 going to be lost, they still had to win the 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.240 war against the Jews. Therefore, the killing would continue right 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.920 up until the last possible minute. Even if, and they 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.880 make the choice, trains with critical war materiel are diverted 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.560 from propping up the front line to the task of 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.039 sending Jews to death camps. They choose. The high command 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.360 Hitler in the military breast choose the Holocaust over delaying 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.039 the Russians. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.039 Outstanding, well done boys, Yeah. 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.120 Heinrich Himler personally approved such actions, and he had one 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.400 on one meetings with Eikman to ensure that Eichman was 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.919 properly briefed and supported to manage this task. While Hitler 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.240 retreated to his bunker and travel within the Reich grew 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.960 increasingly dangerous, Eikman spent the last months of the war 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.839 on the move constantly. Stegnath writes Aikman was involved in 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:09.040 the very last extermination campaign, the gassing of Ravensbrook concentration 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.840 Camp on January twenty sixth, nineteen forty five. Auto moles 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.160 Notoria's Special Commando was sent to the camp with its 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.160 gas fans, and gas chambers were also erected there. One 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.720 of his duties. Eichman's duties was to gather up famous 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.160 Jews and turned in different lower security camps. Some prominent 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.640 intellectuals and celebrities have been kept in comparatively survivable accommodations 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.600 in places like theresan stat in order, which is treason 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.840 stat is like the nice concentration camp. And as we'll say, 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.560 I don't mean it was a nice place. I mean 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.840 it was the best of the camps to be in, right. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.280 If memory serves me correctly, it was the one that 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.240 they set up to bring the Red Cross to. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.320 Yes, that's what we're about to talk about. That's s. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.920 Eichman's job, right, And this is treason stat is comparatively 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.040 nice because as you said, it's meant to be a 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.400 show camp that you can display to the death camps. No, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.920 these are just camps for like political you know, we've 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.280 got to everyone has some of these, right, and that's true. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:06.440 Just h it's just a labor camp for y undesirables. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.200 England has concentration camps for Germans, right, they're not death camps. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.680 They're just constant. And there's a difference between the two. Right, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.400 you're just concentrating people in a concentration camp, and that's 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.040 the Germans. You're like, No, our camp is just like 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.880 with the English hat for Germans. Right, these are people 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.400 who are politically unreliable, but we're not killing. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.160 Them, no, right, we would never do that. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.600 This is why if you're a Jew who's internationally famous 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.319 and gets caught, you saw, Obviously a good number of 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:33.839 those people do get killed, but a lot of them 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.040 are put into reason stat for a while, because well, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.520 people are kind of want to know what's happened to 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.160 this guy, and if we can show him or her 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.120 into reason stat, right, it'll keep the international community from 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.120 thinking things are as bad as they are, right. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.120 Yeah, and we can handle them later, and. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.160 Yeah, we will handle And again, a lot of these 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.480 people do get killed, they're just kept there for a while, right, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.880 And these same prominent Jews that it was hoped might 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.240 provide leverage for men like Himler right, once the warg 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.560 is late enough to like, well, now we don't want 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.320 to kill these guys, but like, if we've got these 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.160 famous Jews that we've kept kind of in the fridge. Right, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.480 they're preserved, we can maybe trade them to let guys 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.240 like Himmler escape, right to you know what, We'll trade 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.880 them to the Allies postwar to keep our own asses safe. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.800 So, oh, man, I don't think there's anybody famous enough 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:16.480 for that to work. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.600 No, no, not by the end of this shit. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:19.040 Nope. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.920 Iikeman's job then is to both ensure some of these 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.600 people are safe and also you have to convince them 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.360 to keep their mouth shut about the murders they'd witnessed. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.800 For example, after that last gassing at Ravensbrook, Iikman transfers 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.000 several women from Ravensbrook Brook to Theresenstat in February of 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.120 nineteen forty five, and he meets with them personally to 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.960 basically be like, hey, y'all are gonna live. The Red 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.800 Cross is going to come here soon. What did you 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.880 see at Ravensbrook, Right, you didn't see any genocide, did you? 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.200 And let me remind you this is a pinky swear. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:53.880 this is a pinky swear. Right. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.720 You wouldn't break a pinky swear to Aikman, would you. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.640 One of these women, Charlotte Salzberger required Eikman questioning her 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.199 in a very polite manner about the extermination. His fame 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.480 was such that even with that, he doesn't introduce himself 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.360 as Adolph Eichman. But he's famous enough that she guesses 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.120 who he is, right, She later says, quote, we knew 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.320 who Aikman was even in a holland. We knew he 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.079 was a man who used to a lot of Yiddish 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.679 and Hebrew expressions. And there was also a rumor that 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.079 he spoke Hebrew and was born in Sarona. This was 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.120 very clear from the way he spoke, right, because there 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.120 are rumors that he's basically Jewish, and that's why he 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:26.920 knows all this stuff. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.480 Ah, yeah, right, right, he's had those servers for a 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:31.080 while now. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.720 Yeah, he spent some time asking them inconsequential details about 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.240 their lives. Be like, well, well you have to you know, 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.280 how are you like? Try to be friendly, right, He's 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.800 he tries to be good cop before he pivots to 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.200 the bad cop part of his routine. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.440 Quote, how was your weekend? How was your weekend? You know, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:46.360 death camping? 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.520 This is a nice place, right, We got you some 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.600 chocolate last week, Right, everything's been good? Huh. After this, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.800 he pivots to the bad cop part of his routine. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.400 He told us we now had the right to go 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.040 to the Theresian stat ghetto, but if we said anything 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.319 about our experience in Ravensbrook, or about anything we knew, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.960 then you will this was the phrase he used, be 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:10.199 going up the chimney. Ooh god, yeah, he's still our Reikman. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:10.720 You know. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.880 Within days of this, Eichman himself was in too Reasonstad 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.000 to prepare for what would be the last visit by 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.240 the International Committee of the Red Cross. So again, Eikman 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.360 is the guy who is show managing these Red Cross 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:24.800 visits at the camp. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.760 While being internationally famous for murdering millions of people. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.600 Yes, it's already known that he's doing a lot of this. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.440 As I noted before, this was the Nice concentration camp. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.120 Nazi propaganda describes treason stat as being located in a 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.320 SPA town where elderly juice could retire. Right, this is 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.560 a Spa. Basically, we're sending him to a fucking Spa. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:48.320 You're calling us genocide. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.400 Come on, everybody's gonna leave there with their hair all 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.160 redone and like you know, Veneer's in it. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.080 It's the shit you saw with a Brago Garcia, where 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.600 they give him like water and a glass with salt 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.920 on their to be like he's drinking margaritas at El Salvador. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:03.720 Come on. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.240 Yeah, So some famous Jewish internees are kept there, but 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.480 the camp is also used as a transit camp for 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.120 Chech Jews on their way to the killing centers. So 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.160 this is not a nice place by any objective standards. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.840 In nineteen forty two alone, so many people were dying 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.520 due to starvation and disease at Theresa Stat that the 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.960 Nazis built a crematorium capable of handling two hundred bodies 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.439 a day roughly. And again, this is the nice concentration camp. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.640 Thirty three thousand Jews die into resent Stat itself, and 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.600 this is the nice place. Yes, I just I can't 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.520 exaggerate how bad all of this is. Even accounting for this, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.880 the living conditions there are still better than everywhere else, 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.080 because Eichmann and his colleagues they don't want it nice 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.320 all of the time. But you've got to be able 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.960 to clean it up enough that at a moment's notice 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.720 you can take the authorities there, right, so it can't 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.360 get too bad. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.600 I mean, the bar is so low in all of 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.000 the other camps. It doesn't have to be good at 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.480 Karisenstadta other than like, well they ate today. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.320 Yeah, if we get the corpses out of here, it 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.000 looks okay, right, yeah. In early nineteen forty five, his 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.080 main concern was that rumors of the death camps had 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.960 percolated widely within the community of Jews being held there, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.080 and Eikman did not want those rumors getting to anyone 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.160 at the Red Cross. And you can't make some of 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.000 this shit up. You want to guess what day they 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.199 pick for this Red Cross visit to teresen Stott. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.200 April first April. You are literally right, yeah, I mean, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:27.800 oh no. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.720 April Day nineteen forty five is when Aikman personally meets 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.120 Red Cross representative Hans did Not and announces himself to 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.640 be quote the direct agent of the Reich's fewer ss 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.959 for all Jewish questions. They literally pick April Fool's day, right, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:43.360 It's it's so fucked. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.040 This is this is my least favorite thing I've ever 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.400 been right about, Thank you, Robert. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.959 So as soon as Eichman meets with this guy, he 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.600 gives a kind of rambling diatribe about his theories are 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.760 the Jewish question and has now ended planned. He's like, yeah, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.280 we're gonna make a reservation for these guys, you know, 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.120 like America did with the Native Americans. We're not going 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:02.640 to kill him. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.640 Have you guys ever heard of Oklahoma? And we're gonna do. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.240 That, right, Obviously, the United States killed a lot, we 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.439 did a genocide several of them against we. But the 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.240 average European wouldn't call what we did a genocide in 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.240 this stage, in part because the ward doesn't exist yet. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.520 Right, to be fair, the average American today says, it's. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is the way this they're 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.440 trying to be Like, No, what we're doing is no 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.480 worse than what the Americans did, right, That's all that 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.840 we're trying to do here. And what's weird though, is 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.560 that Eikman also tells this guy, you know, Himmler supports 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.000 the humane treatment of Jews in Nazi custody, and I 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.480 don't entirely agree with my boss here, but I'm following orders, right, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.000 so I'm keeping things nice too, which is such a 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.680 weird line for him to ride, being like, actually, Himmler 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.280 wants the Jews to be treated well, and I think 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.440 he's kind of crazy, but you know that's what I'm 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.120 doing anyway. It's such a weird line. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.960 Imagine being told this is a Red crossworker by a 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.800 man where skull and cross boat. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.680 Stolen Cross votes by literally Adolph Eikman. You're just like 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.080 rolling your eyes so fucking hard now. So I bring 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.960 this up to point out there's very little sign at 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.920 all that the Czar of the Jews has any plans 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.120 to flee from justice before the fall of the regime. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.480 And this is one time where we have to give 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.440 Aikman credit for being a lot smarter than his colleagues, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.920 because this is part of his tactic. Right. He's not dumb. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.800 He's not. Actually it seems like, wow, he's either so 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.000 committed that he's ready to die. He's just trying to 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.680 kill as many guys as possible, or he's really stupid 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.880 for not trying to get his name off of stuff 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.360 and to get out what he's doing is actually smarter 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.240 than all of his colleagues. He knows your fault. You're 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.960 idiots for thinking you can escape this. Anyone at my 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.200 level is a fool for thinking that you can get 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.080 away I'm going to take I'm going to hide by 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.720 pretending to be the guy that I've been pretending to 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.400 be up until the last minute here, so that no one, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.280 none of my colleagues expect that I am setting up 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.440 secret plans to get out right, But he is the 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.680 whole time where he's doing this. He is making plans. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.680 He's getting fake identities printed, he's using like SS. The 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.480 SS has a printing press for fake IDs. He's getting 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.560 multiple fake IDs. He's making an exit plan with his 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.880 wife and with his dad to hide out in the 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.320 countryside under a new name, like in the last stages 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.240 of the war. He'd started laying the groundwork for his 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.360 escape months earlier, when he lied to close colleague Deeter Weislinsky, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.600 who's a member of the SD and who would later 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.440 try to sell Iikman out to the Allies. Eichman knows 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 well Wasslinsky's a worm. He's going to sell me out 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.080 the instant he can, So he tells Weslnsky, you know, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.600 I actually cut ties with my dad, my family years ago. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.880 They don't believe in all this Nazi stuff as much 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.840 as I do, so I'm not even in touch with them. Anymore. Now. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.440 The reality is Iikman's father is a committed fascist, right, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.520 and Iikman's still close to his dad. But by doing this, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.640 Weslnsky will tell the Allies, Oh, no, he wasn't really 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.160 in contact with his family, right, which is who he's 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.600 going to be relying on. Eikman would also. So there's 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.520 this guy, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who's an Arab 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.520 nationalist and a Muslim leader with deep Nazi sympathies, and 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.480 he spins a lot of World War two hiding out 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.840 in the Third Reich, and he is super on board 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.919 the genocide. Ikeman lies a lot and pretends that he 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.199 and the Mufti are really close. They have nothing more 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.000 than like a passing connection, right. They're not actually that tight, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.840 which isn't I'm not saying that to say that the 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.960 Mufti isn't The Mufti is a monster, right. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:22.600 It seems like a real piece of shit. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.800 He and Eikman don't know each other well, but Iikman 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.480 pretends they're close friends. And at the end of the 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.080 war he's telling Weslinsky and his other colleagues, I'm going 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.520 to flee to the Middle East. The Mufti's got my back. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.240 I'm going to hide out somewhere like Syria, right, which 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.480 some guys in the SS do. And so when Wislinsky 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.520 starts being questioned by the Allies, he's like, oh no, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.000 his family wouldn't hide him. They hated him. He's got 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.680 some connection with the Mufti. He's fleeing for the Middle East, right, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.000 you got to start looking for him there or trying 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.600 to make his way there. Right. So Aikman has seated 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.720 a false story for his plans for the escape with 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.280 his colleagues in the SS, knowing they're all going to 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.880 rat on him. He wants them ratting and he wants 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.119 them giving up the wrong info. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.800 Of course, he knows that they're pieces of shit. They're 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:06.600 in the SS. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.480 Yeah, he works with these assholes. He knows how much 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:10.080 they suck. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.960 You guys, stop doing loud with me. You're all fake 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:13.800 friends anyway. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.280 Yeah, he knows they're fake friends. And you hate you 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.119 don't want to give it to a guy like Eichmann. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.360 But he's really smart here. He knows like this is very, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.600 very intelligent and it's going to work extraordinarily well. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.840 Game recognized game. He knows what kind of pieces of Yes, well, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:30.800 if he's one of them. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.480 He's one of them. He's the worst of them, right. Yeah. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.360