WEBVTT - Pre-Draft Debates, QB Draft and Flip Strategy, + Biggest Risers from DJ’s Top 50 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.439 And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.399 What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Buck 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.600 with you, Buck? What's going on? Man? 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.040 Man? You know what it is? DJ is a rat 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.720 race of the final month leading into the draft. So 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.240 you know everything's kind of crazy chat. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.200 Yeah, no doubt it's It's definitely that that time of 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.079 year where stuff is flying around which can get you 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.800 some hot rumors, which is a good time to get 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:29.800 us too. It's time for Hot or Not brought to 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.080 you by with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage. Let's jump in 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.400 right out out the gate here, Buck, because we've been 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.199 talking to a bunch of people. It's kind of finishing 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.360 up doing a lot of non combined guys like pop 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.640 up guys, pro day guys that you know, chasing ghost 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:43.120 as we like to. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:43.879 Call it during this time. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.159 Yes, but mix in a lot of conversations and some 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.120 of the things you heard in those conversations kind of 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.360 perk you perk you up a little bit. And so 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:53.640 this is one thing I want to get your take on. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.520 If we take Travis Hunter put him to the side. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:57.560 Mm hmm. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.360 This was uh the uh this. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.360 I heard this from one guy, and I brought it 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.959 up with a couple other people and they did not 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.320 poop poo it. He said, if we say Travis Hunter's 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:08.440 out of the way, they're only going to be one 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.880 wide receiver going the first round. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.080 I can believe that. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.280 I mean, but Buck like this is we talked about 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:20.200 this on episodes ago on average five point six one. Like, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.319 I guess if we you know, Travis would make it 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.280 two technically, I guess if he's you know, gonna be 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.320 majoring on that side of the ball. But I mean, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.800 I and I don't disagree with it. I said, I 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.440 think that's possible. I don't think that will happen. I 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.679 think we will get you know, I think a Buka 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.560 Golden you know, McMillan. I think that between those three guys, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.280 I think we see two of them. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.640 Go at least, if not three. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.320 But there's a chance that everybody sits it out. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.400 Uh did you? I believe it? So who is the 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.440 wide receiver that you look at that has the wow 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.000 factor that you're like, I gotta have them, and in 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:01.200 this class we're lacking that. Previous years, when we talked 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.800 about the first round guys, there was a wild a 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.680 sizzle factor that you were like, okay, like I did 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.760 it justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, even DeVante Smith was coming 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.639 off a Heisman trophy. I mean, there were a lot 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.560 of guys that were drafted that had the sizzle. This 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.680 year there is not the sizzle. We're excited about Matthew Golden. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.600 But when we look at Matthew Golden and an honest assessment, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.080 if Matthew Golden is wide receiver one, why didn't they 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.680 treat them like wide receiver one at Texas? So it 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:35.160 leaves you wondering, like, that's that's odd. Abuka is really good, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.560 really solid all around. But he's solid all around, high 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.360 end player, solid Ted McMillan, there's some things where we 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.960 want more urgency. We certainly don't like the comments that 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.480 have come to surface about not loving ball and not 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.720 watching tape like that doesn't help anything. So now when 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.480 we talk about the three top guys excluding Travis, they're 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.280 all enough questions to make you be like, you know, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.560 maybe I'll go back and get it in the second round. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.200 I think that's the difference. The other guys had real 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:13.239 live pop. We're not seeing not seeing wide receivers. We 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:14.160 do real pop right now. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.320 So here's the other side of the argument. And this 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:17.920 is from the third person that I talked to who 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.640 pushed back on it. And that's why I want to 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.600 have this chat with you because he said, yeah, but 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.720 he said, you realize two things. Look what the receiver 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.359 number costs right now, Like, look at how much how 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.160 expensive it is to pay for receivers. And number two, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.480 quality receivers don't get the market anymore. They don't get 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.440 to the market. Because I was having a conversation with 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 a team about a scenario where I said, if you 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.280 had this wide receiver there and this defensive tackle there, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.560 similarly great players for me, And I told him how 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:48.000 I had them. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.440 But I was like, I curious how you would stack 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:50.160 those two guys. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.840 And he was like, well, I mean if we needed 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.000 a defensive tackle and free agency, like there's going to 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.120 be one out there every year that we can plug 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.240 and play. He's like, receiver, if none of them get 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.120 to the market, and if any of the top tier 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.400 guys get close to the market, you're thirty million dollar dudes. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.360 Like the number is so high. He's like, so because 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.280 of that, I think there's more value in taking the 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.520 receiver because because of that reason, that was his pushback 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:13.800 on that. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.560 My only thing about that is I worry about getting 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:23.120 too cute trying to approximate value with talent, Like it's 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.920 cool that we value the position and we want to 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.640 get the fifth year option and free agents aren't coming 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.760 to market. But at the same time, DJ, the expectations 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.600 are the expectations when it comes to a first round pick. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.599 If you take someone in the first round, you expect 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.240 them to have a level of talent production and consistency 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:47.520 that is conmiserable with being picked. When they're picked, I 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.640 worry about taking someone for the sake of being able 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.400 to secure their services for five six years without them 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.800 ever showing the talent nor the projection to live up 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.680 to what we expect from a first round player. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.400 Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a valid 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.039 pushback on that. I think it's I just wanted to 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:08.560 have that conversation because I think it's one of those 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.719 interesting debates that that's that's kind of raging out there. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.400 Let me give you, let me give you another one, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.640 because there's a couple of different conversations I've been having 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:21.360 that I'm curious to get your take on talking about 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.839 the ceiling floor. A lot of times we just do 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.200 that with quarterbacks, but we don't necessarily always do that 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.400 with other positions. So there was a couple of players 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.240 and I was going through it, and UH was looking 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.520 at and this is an interesting one, the discussion between 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.920 the defensive tackles with Kenneth Grant and Walter Nolan. That one, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.560 that one's a fascinating one to me, but I do 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.640 think it's gonna be somewhat scheme specific in terms of 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.480 what you want your guys to do, and Nolan's more 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.799 of a pure three technique. Kenneth Grant I think, could 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.400 you know, could play some three because he's so you know, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.680 he's so big and athletic, but he's you're gonna want 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.440 him more shade in the center. So a little bit 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.479 different in terms of their usage. But you've got Walter Nolan, 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.200 who I think kind of knows how to win as 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.400 a rusher and has got that upfield ability versus the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.720 other guy who's so intriguing because he's three hundred and 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.080 thirty pounds and it's still kind of all coming together 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.160 for him. But that, like those are the kind of 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.640 debates and discussion. That's what's going on in rooms right now, in. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.279 That debate where you're talking about Nolan, ingrant to me, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.960 I'm always going to offer the pass rusher over the 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.520 run stopper. We have said for years that this is 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.480 a passing league, and no matter how dominant you are, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.960 stopping to run on first and second down, that knows tackle, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.560 that defensive tackle that is strictly a plugger, he offers 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.000 no value when it comes down to winning time. Winning time, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.160 Typically it is a passing situation. The quarterback has to 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.640 get it done. The pocket pusher gives you nothing. Walter, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.000 Nolan in this scenario gives me an opportunity to keep 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.480 him on the field in those crucial moments. So if 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.760 I'm making a decision, yeah, I'm gonna go with a 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.599 guy who has an interior pass rush presence over the 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.839 guy that is heavily tilted tours being a run stopper. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.159 Now saying they Grant can do it, but he's a 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.680 run stopper first pass rusher. Second. I think Nolan has 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.120 the opportunity to be a pass rusher, first run stopper secondary. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:14.680 Yeah. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.240 It's that's a valid it's a valid argument and a 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.800 good way to look at it. I think there's more. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.760 I think Kenneth Grant has a chance. I mean just 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.560 because of you know, Dexter was a higher, higher graded 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.320 player coming into the process, but you've seen him continue 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.440 to grow and get better as a pass rusher throughout 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.080 his career. So I think that's what you're hoping, that's 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.240 what you're hoping for there in that situation. But let 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:37.960 me let me jam through a couple more of these 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.320 bucking and uh, just full transparency here, Buck's got to do. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:42.640 Who we got today? 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.080 You got Jalen Yeah, I got a little get a 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.280 little one on one interview with Jalen Walker for Paths 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.960 to the Draft, So I got that coming up in 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:49.760 twenty minutes. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.080 Yeah, so we'll we're kind of jamming through. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.440 I'll get through as much of this as I can 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.920 with Buck, and then I'll finish up on the solo front. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.920 But a couple other interesting ones. Where'd you come down on, Uh, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.880 Tyler Booker great Zabel. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:10.200 Mmm, I am Tyler Booker. I mean Tyler Booker's camp 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.640 in that debate and the reason why I feel like 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.800 he's dominant at what he does. I feel like he 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.600 is a tempo setter, a dominant uh maler brawl that 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.680 he's going to enhance your running game. He's going to 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.640 add a little toughness. I love Zabel's value. I like 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.320 the fact that he is a multi positional player. I 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.080 feel like you can plug him into one of three 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.880 spots and he can start. Uh But to me, in 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.000 leaning towards like the more physical player of the two, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.400 I would go Booker over Zabel. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.320 In the debate, Yeah, I ended up with the same. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.040 I just think with Booker. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.600 First of all, I love Zabel and Zabel's got all 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.360 the you know, five position flex and it has been 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.240 great through the whole offseason. Everything else, I've seen Booker 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.200 go up against better players. I hate to use that 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.520 as the as the reason, but I've seen him perform 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.360 well against some NFL dudes, a bunch a lot of 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.360 NFL guys, and he's going to give me a firm 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.559 pocket and in a gap scheme, he's going to be 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.559 able to displace people and move people. Now, if I'm 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.760 an outside zone heavy team and I want to be 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.360 out in space and running and moving, then I probably 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.000 would go the other way. But that's the trick when 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:19.960 you're doing this on our side, without a team and 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.360 a scheme, you got to go with kind of you 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.400 know what works there. And to me, I know, man, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.480 just get the right fit for this dude, and I 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.160 think he's got a chance to be a you know, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.160 a Pro Bowl player early, like early in his career. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.640 Now, I mean, I'm with you and Ded like, I 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.439 think it is about the right fit. And that's eighty 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.840 five percent of players we talked about being system players. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.199 It's really important that they are matched with a system 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.240 that enhances what they do really really well. The only 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.000 about fifteen percent of players in the draft class in 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.280 the league that can come in. It doesn't matter what 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.240 they do, they're going to be transcendent enough to be 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.120 able to dominate. So yeah, fit in scheme is everything, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.320 and I think with Booker in particular, the scheme is Look, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:01.280 it's really important. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.040 Yeah, all right, Next one, Mason Taylor from me. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:06.880 I did my updated top fifty. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:12.120 He's my last thirty second player, so I'm I just 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.959 at some point time I was like, we'll just put 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.200 him in the top thirty two players. I think he's 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.600 the grade wise the way he reads what I saw 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.319 at the Senior Bowl, how he moved around at the 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.080 Pro day, he ran the four to sixes. So the 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.160 speed thing's fine. All the information people know we've got. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.600 You know, we've got good relationships there at LSU. We're 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.360 dialed in there so to get the feedback and background 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.560 I've got on him there. You know, dad and uncle 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:39.680 are Hall of famers. That doesn't hurt. So he's my 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.440 thirty second player. But my question is the Philadelphi Eagles, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.480 by all accounts, trying to move Dallas Goddard. I know 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.600 how he always likes to go big if he can. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.760 He's drafted some receivers in the first round last year. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.520 They took a corner in Quinna and Mitchell, you know, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.240 but preferred to go big guys. But when you're picking 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.439 thirty two and you're going to send your tight end 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.800 potentially out the door and Dallas Goddard, I'm looking at 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.840 that going that makes a lot of sense for them. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.679 Man Mason Taylor to the Eagles. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.480 I'm gonna say this. I heard how we recently on 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.160 a podcast and his insight is so great in terms 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.440 of being on the front end of it. And I 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.120 heard how we also talk about how they didn't handle 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.160 the Super Bowl the right way. In previous years, like 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.280 they held on to guys for too long, they were 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.559 a little nostalgic and sentimental. I think he has definitely 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.079 moved past that. He's used it as a learning experience 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.559 to move on from guys that are older because he 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.880 wants to retain a younger core who has several prominent 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.120 pieces that need to get paid, and the only way 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.960 to do that is to move those guys out and 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.960 to use the draft as a vehicle to upgrade the 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.240 talent while keeping it at a team friendly costs. If 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.240 Mason Taylor's to pick for them at thirty two, it 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.320 gives them a first round player for five years, someone 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.000 who I believe is a complete wide tied end. Look, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.600 I think the bloodlines, the legacy, all those things. Jason Taylor, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 Zach Thomas, that's torrific. He knows what the family business is. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.079 But then the player that we see on the field, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.640 there's not much that he can't do. DJ. Yeah, bottom 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.040 of the first round. Mason Taylor could be the third 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.720 tied end to come off the board, particularly when we're 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.840 talking about wide receivers not being worthy. I would rather 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.160 take someone in the first round that has a Greade 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.760 worthy of being selected there than to stretch and put 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.439 somebody in the first round who's not really a first 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:26.040 round player. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.560 I'd also probably put that pickup for sale too and 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.360 say if anybody does want to come back in for 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.520 a quarterback, if that's a possibility there, hey, I can 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.440 slide back. Maybe I can get Mason Taylor a couple 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.440 slots later. But to me, I'm just going through this. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.079 I'm looking at teams and starting to hone in on 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.640 needs and what can go down, and I'm like, you 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.160 know what that one, That one makes quite a bit 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.840 of sense there. So anyways, those are some of the 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.040 hot button issues I wanted to hit on. That was 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.040 this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.080 with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and do more 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.720 with your data. Try them for free at Withsabi dot com. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:08.440 Take a quick break and we'll be right back, all right, Buck, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.520 I do want to hit you on one news item 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.400 here before I know you got to run here? What 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.880 do you think on Milton? The Milton trade to the 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.520 Dallas Cowboys from the Patriots. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:24.520 Interesting? Interesting only in terms of you know that. Okay, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.800 So for disclosure, Elliott Wolf is the son of Romwolf. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.040 Ronwolf was a general manager for the Green Bay Packers 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.040 when I was taken there. Ronwolf, I would give a 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.920 lot of credit for not only extending my playing career, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.839 but piquing my interest in the scouting game. One of 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.920 the things that Ronwolf always did is every year, every 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.679 other year, they believed in drafting a quarterback. You can 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.319 go back and look at the drafts from the mid 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.400 nineties to the mid two thousands, they always took a quarterback, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.640 and so many times they flipped those quarterbacks into trade 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.400 commodities they then brought back stuff. Elliott Wolf has just 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.960 done the same thing and giving a preview, a little snapshot, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.439 glimpse of what Joe Milton can do in the preseason. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.000 Super talented, great athlete, all of those things, they were 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.280 able to get some currency back and they didn't even 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.760 have to really play him. He mopped up a game, 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.160 he showed up in preseason, and here they're able to 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.360 parlay it. To me, it's a little bit about Joe 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.920 Milton and what the Cowboys maybe seek comparing him to 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.360 what is available in the quarterback class. I think that 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.880 kind of speaks to that that they rated Joe Milton 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.600 versus the quarterbacks that could be available for them day two, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.200 Day three. They want a viable backup. But also it's 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.640 the foresight to be like, oh no, no, no, we're always 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.840 in the quarterback business because it is such a valuable thing, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.240 something that our buddy Howie Roseman has seen Andy Reid 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.000 do so successfully. To me, DJ, it's always smart to 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.760 get a quarterback, develop a young quarterback, and then let 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.760 the league tell us what you think of our quarterback 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.440 because a lot of times it ends up bringing back 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.320 stuff to you that can be good to help you 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.200 get another piece of the puzzle when you're trying to 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.240 build a championship team. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.760 Yeah, and that was you know, we've seen this numerous 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.480 times where teams have at least gotten some value. Obviously, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.680 the the Washington Commanders got value on the field with 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.800 Kirk Cousins after they took RG three and then Kirk Cousins, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.560 you know, the injuries RG three, Kirk Cousins gets his opportunity. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.480 Kirk Cousins end up eventually winning that job. But there 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.720 is you know, there is opportunities there to take guys 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.680 later on in the draft, and it's sometimes it's insurance. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.720 Sometimes you can get those guys on the field. And 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.040 other times, what we just saw with the Dallas Cowboys 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.400 making this move here the Patriots, they were rewarded by 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.760 being able to spend that off into a trade. So 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.200 I'm kind of with you on you know, to me, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.240 I think I would do it in the I would say, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.320 in the sixth or seventh round every year, I'm going 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.360 to take one, you know, just just a flyer, just 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.840 gonna take up maybe trade back in the third, fourth round. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:01.640 I'm get a little bonus, a little sugar there in 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.160 the six or seventh. Then I'm just gonna take a 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.920 flyer every time. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.760 DJ if we in the quarterback business, like why not? 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.600 People laughed at Howie and Doug Peterson was the head 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.520 coach at the time in Philly when they said, hey, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.840 we want to build and have a quarterback factory. But 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.080 why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you want to? 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.360 That was said after taking Jalen Hurts and they got 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.160 a lot of grief. R They got a lot with 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.440 Carson Wentz there, they got a lot of grief. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.320 It worked out, It worked out very well for them, 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.880 and I think more teams have to treat that position 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.680 as man, this is the big joker in a game 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.800 of space. This is the one that can parlay and 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.320 bring it back multiple times. If you can find a quarterback, 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.400 if you can develop the quarterback and showcase the quarterback 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.680 in a preseason game or even a regular season game, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:48.920 gives you an opportunity to bring a whole lot of 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.640 things back. So makes sense to me. I think about 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.440 Kirk Cousins and the career that he's had. When the 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.000 Washington football team double down, take an RG three and 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.880 Kirk Cousins the same draft class, you should expand a 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.040 Day three pick on a quarterback just to see and 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.600 you can determine whether it's someone with tools and trades, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.400 which is what Joe Milton is, which also DJ would 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.320 tell me I might get into Jailen Milroe game. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.640 I know, I knew Milinroe is gonna come up. I'm 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.640 telling you I talked to a team. Now this is sorry, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.800 I should refraence. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:21.520 I talked to. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.960 Someone very connected with the team who told me said team, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:26.520 and I'll tell you off the air, but said team 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.000 was a was a Milroe team, and it might be 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.160 earlier than you think, like like second round. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.320 Okay, Well, I can see that. So there are two 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.600 guys that I would put in this category tools category. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.480 It's Mill Roe and then I'll say Tyler Shill would 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.800 be one that when you're taking him, you're taking them 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.600 just because of the tools and you're hoping it works out. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.880 You're not taking them with a direct connection that they're 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.119 going to be the starter for your team. But I 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.879 want to experiment and kind of see what they could be. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.680 To me. That makes it so. Look when I see 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.960 Joe Milton go, I am confident, boldly confident, Jayleen Mlbro's 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.239 gonna go, He's gonna go hired, and people think and 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.200 there's gonna be a gas the tools DJ. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.800 Yeah, it's like baseball. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.679 We're drafting on the tools, not the performance in a production, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.840 but the projection based on the tools. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.800 That's why I said we were talking about this previously 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.600 from a baseball standpoint. His run tool is the loudest 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.399 tool of any quarterback in the draft. Like his ability 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.240 to run is better than anybody else's ability to do 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.760 anything else at that quarterback position. Get out of here, Buck, 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.080 You've got Jalen Walker, Go interview him. I'm gonna I'm 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.840 gonna get into some top fifty stuff here, but I'll 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:33.560 catch up with you. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.880 We'll be back again soon. Man, go go to work. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:36.360 You got a date. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.760 I'm gonna I'm gonna go to work and we are 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.320 gonna talk about the Top fifty. Because I learned a 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.119 lot watching you kind of move up the way. I 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.600 was like, oh, DJ finally was like, you know what, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.080 I'm not worried about the noise. I'm gonna go ahead 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.480 and make the move. And I saw that. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:49.040 By the way. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.600 By the way, my phone agents the day after the 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.200