1 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afne. The program 2 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. One of the glories 5 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: of God, in my estimation, is my friend Brian Kennedy. 6 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: We're going to be talking with him in this first block, 7 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: and I am very excited to get his thoughts on 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: a number of topics, but one in particular. Let me 9 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: give you a little bit of context for our conversation 10 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: with Brian. On Sunday, The Titanium Lady Fox News is 11 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: Maria Bardorama lit up one of the worst perpetrators of 12 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: the sort of treachery. Her three part Underwriting the Enemy 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: series has relentlessly exposed JP Morgan's CEO, Jamie Diamond. While 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Diamond was given a chance to tout his company's commendable 15 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: commitment to invest one point five trillion dollars in enhancing 16 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: US security and resiliency, he was also pressed about his 17 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: practice of raising funds for Chinese military companies. He declared 18 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: that he was not going to violate American national security 19 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: policy and would absolutely walk away from deals with China 20 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: assisting with military equipment. In fact, Diamond and his oilk 21 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: know that doing otherwise actually violates President Trump's America First 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Investment policy, which, thanks to Representative John Molinar, Congress is 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: poised to make the law of the land. American security 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: and resiliency starts with ending our underwriting of the enemy. 25 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Those are my thoughts. For more of them, please check 26 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: out the work we do at x at Frank Affney 27 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: and also at the US Future dot org, where you 28 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: will find the website of the Institute for the American Future. 29 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: It makes this program possible, and I hope that you 30 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: will consider supporting what we do there. Let's turn to 31 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: Brian Kennedy. Brian is, of course the former president of 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: the Claremont Institute. He is these days the president of 33 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: the American Strategy Group. He is also an author of 34 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: numerous books, including one very important one about Communist China's 35 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: war inside America. We're anxious to get his thoughts on 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: the nature of that war being waged by the likes 37 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of Jamie Diamond, who, recently, despite his protestations on Maria's program, 38 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: helped arrange hundreds of billions of dollars in American and 39 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: other investors money flowing to a company called cattle catl 40 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: is the acronym which is a Chinese military company according 41 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: to the United States Pentagon, as well as a company 42 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: that is providing absolutely military equipment to the Chinese Navy, 43 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: for example, by putting in batteries in their conventionally powered submarines, 44 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: making them longer range, very quiet, and very lethal to 45 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: our carrier battlegroups and other assets in the Pacific. Brian Kennedy, 46 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about what it is 47 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: that is being done by those on Wall Street like 48 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond, who may profess that they don't want to 49 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: violate US policy and yet are doing so, and doing 50 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: so to the benefit of those who are trying to 51 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: kill us, the Chinese Communists, parties military. Your thoughts, so. 52 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Frank, and great to be with you 53 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: as always. I think one challenge we have here is 54 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: somehow expecting Jamie Diamond or any Wall Street head of 55 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: an investment bank to be looking out for the interests 56 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: of the United States. They're looking out for the interests 57 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: of themselves, their shareholders, and they're looking to make money 58 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: anywhere anyway they can, anywhere they can too. What we 59 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: lack in this country is a robust system within our government, 60 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: within the Treasury Department especially, that will actually monitor these 61 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: investments and make sure that the Jamie Diamonds of the 62 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: world are not investing US investor dollars in companies which 63 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: are antithetical to the interests of the United States. Let 64 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: us also say the bleeding obvious, which is money is fungible. 65 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: So even if you're investing in a company in communist 66 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: China that is of a civilian nature, a clothing company 67 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: or you know, small electronic manufacturer, et cetera, that's going 68 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: to find its way one way or the other into 69 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: a state owned enterprise that supports the communist Chinese regime 70 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: and by extension, the communist Chinese military. Any penny going 71 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: to communist China could easily end up supporting a regime 72 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: that is antithetical to the United States, our freedom and 73 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: our liberty and just the financial wellbeing of the American investor. 74 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: So I think we've learned the lesson here, and I 75 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: think Maria understands this. So long as money is going 76 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: to communist China, it's going to be used quite likely 77 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: not not for good good things. 78 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm neglected to mention that you are, of course the 79 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: chairman of the Committee on the Present Danger China and 80 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: have been a leading voice in warning about precisely this 81 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: kind of engagement and how it is in fact enabling 82 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: in some cases actually military companies of the Chinese Communist Party. 83 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: As I mentioned the Pentagon is a list called the 84 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: twelve sixty H List that specifies what they call Chinese 85 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: military companies operating in the United States as part of 86 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: an effort to try to discourage people from doing business 87 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: with them, and yet we still see people being able 88 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: to invest in them, in other words, keeping them in business. 89 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: But brand to your larger point, the Chinese Communists have 90 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: of course quite a phrase for this, so called civil 91 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: military fusion, which means it basically, any company in China 92 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: that is getting investor dollars from the United States or 93 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: otherwise being you know, supported with maybe purchases of whatever 94 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: products they sell, is actually also enabling the military of China. 95 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: Is that right, Yes, of course it is. I think 96 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: our challenge here, Frank, is that that they're going to 97 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: They're going to take whatever money they can get out 98 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: of the United States in whatever form they can get it. 99 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: And I think we've learned the lesson that you need 100 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: a government agency here preventing that from happening. You need 101 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: laws from making that possible. When when when Jamie diamond 102 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: says his ideas and his practices are compatible with US policy, Well, 103 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: policy's policy. It's not the law. And there's always enough 104 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: wiggle room in the in the in the area of 105 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: policy to uh to drive a truck through you know, 106 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: whatever it is that Americans want to restrict reasonably. And 107 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: you see with Representative Molinar that he takes all this 108 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: very quite you know, very seriously, and really does want 109 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: to restrict this. And until it's restricted, and until it's 110 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: the law of the land. Our investment banker are elites 111 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: on Wall Street. They're going to behave in whatever way 112 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: they need to make as much money as they can 113 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: because they're going to US investors. They're getting billions and 114 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: trillions of dollars over time, and they're making a fee 115 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: on all that, and they're becoming quite wealthy in the process. 116 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: And so they look at the US government, US policymakers 117 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: as more or less fools, and they know they're not 118 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: going to stop until it's the law of the land. 119 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: We don't have a jatriotic businessman unfortunately. 120 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. But the problem is, Brian, as you know so well, 121 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: of course, that at the same time that a Jamie 122 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: Diamond is saying that he's not going to violate American policy, 123 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: you point out, oh, yes, he is violating American policy 124 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: right now, the American first investment policy. But he's also 125 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: got his lobbyists. I'm quite sure, if not others on 126 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Wall Street have their lobbyists all over Capitol Hill trying 127 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that it is not the law of 128 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: the land, that it is illegal to engage in this treachery. 129 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: Let's call it what it is, folks, they're paying the 130 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: Chinese to prepare to kill us. I don't know how 131 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: to put a finer point on it, but to call 132 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: it a treasury if not flat out treason. So, Brian, 133 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: we have to take a short break here in just 134 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: a moment, but I wanted to just tell our audience 135 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about a memorandum that you and I 136 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: sent to one of the top policymakers in the Trump 137 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: administration this morning as we speak, and the importance of 138 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that memo for trying to assure that this treachery, this 139 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: subvention of our mortal enemy stops at least with respect 140 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: for Heaven's sakes, to these Chinese military companies. We'll get 141 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: into all of that and more with the great Brian 142 00:09:51,440 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: Kennedy stage employees, Welcome back, and a very special welcome 143 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: once again to my very great friend and cherished colleague, 144 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: Brian T. Kennedy. Brian Travis Kennedy. At that Brian is 145 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: a man of great experience and enormous influence, I think, 146 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: not least within the Trump administration, but also on Capitol 147 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: Hill and in the media. Steve Bannon features them prominently, 148 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: of course, among others, as do we whenever we can. 149 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: Brian is these days the chairman of the Committee on 150 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: the Present Danger China, which I'm proud to be the 151 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: vice chairman, and he and I wrote a letter I 152 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: mentioned just before the break. Give us a little bit 153 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: of the background on it, Brian, if you would, both 154 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: in terms of what we've just been discussing sort of 155 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: gives rise to them AMO in the first place, but 156 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: also the national security strategy that was unveiled by the 157 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: White House last week and how it bears on our recommendation, sir. 158 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Frank. The National Security Strategy, as far 159 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: as it goes, is pretty tough and articulates a lot 160 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: of very sensible, let's call it common sensical kind of 161 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: approaches when it comes to our enemies abroad. One of these, 162 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: of course, is communist China, and it wants to have 163 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: relations with Communist China. We the United States in ways 164 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: that are mostly reciprocal in nature. Now I say that 165 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: knowing and reciprocal fair and recip yes, absolutely, and so 166 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: I personally don't even think we need a document like 167 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: the National Security Strategy. The President Trump and American policymakers 168 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: always have to be looking out for what is in 169 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: America's national interest, what is fair and reciprocal right, just 170 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: from a common sense point of view, One of the 171 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: things with communist China is their trade policies, and are 172 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: they behaving? Is the money that we are exchanging with 173 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: Communist China when we engage in trade with them? Are 174 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: those relationships fair? Are the trade deals fair? Are we 175 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: being treated the right way? Are we being excluded from 176 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: Chinese markets when we give them access to US markets? 177 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: And so this requires policy makers to examine and see 178 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: whether or not in fact these things are fair and reciprocal. 179 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: One of the things that is lacking in that document, 180 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: even though I think it's quite good overall, is the 181 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: kind of specificity when it comes to US investor dollars 182 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: going to Communist China, and we have to be very careful, 183 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: as we've been talking about, and making sure that no 184 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: money is going there that would be at all harmful 185 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: to the United States. Now we suggest all these things 186 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: at a time when we very much need to engage 187 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: in trade with communist China when it comes to these 188 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: rare earth minerals and rare earth magnets that are essential 189 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: to our manufacturing here in the United States. So we're 190 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: in kind of a predicament right now. We would like to, 191 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: I think, as a nation, have a more robust domestic 192 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: manufacturing here in this country. We would like to decouple 193 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: from Communist China, but we can't do so until we 194 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: have a more robust manufacturing base here with the capacity 195 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: to produce these rare earth minerals or acquire them from 196 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: allies or friendly nations abroad. And so we are in 197 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: this predicament right now where things are not quite perfect. 198 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: We cannot decouple from communist China. But the thrust of 199 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: the memorandum we sent to the White House earlier today 200 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: was that in that interim period, we want to at 201 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: least make sure that there is not obvious investments being 202 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: placed in companies that mean the destruction of the United States. 203 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: And I would say the transfer of technologies going to 204 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: communist China. And one of the things that we didn't 205 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: talk about when it came to Jamie Diamond was they 206 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: want to invest one point five trillion in American national 207 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: security and infrastructure. Well, one of those things is artificial intelligence, 208 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: and left to its own devices, the kind of companies 209 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: Jamie Diamond would be investing in would be more than 210 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: happy to transfer this technology and other technologies to communist China. 211 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: The globalist part of American society, even that still exists 212 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: within the Republican establishment in Washington, is still very much 213 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: of the view that we can play nice with communist China, 214 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: that we can be long term partners, that we don't 215 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: have to worry about their threat to the United States. 216 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: And one of the jobs that you have been so 217 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: brilliant at, Frank, is highlighting this for Americans so that 218 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: they understand there is a threat from communist China, and 219 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: unless we wake up to that threat, and are extremely 220 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: careful about one making sure we're not making the Chinese 221 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: wealthy and technologically capable, but also that we need to 222 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: be wealthy and technologically capable. Until we have that understanding 223 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: properly in place, we're going to be up against it. 224 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: And that's one of the things President Trump is trying 225 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: to correct here, and we've offered to help them wherever 226 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: we can so that they understand the parameters of that 227 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: and what they need to be tweaking within the administration 228 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: to make sure that we're not enabling communist China any 229 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: more than we already are. 230 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your compliment, Brian. Back at you. 231 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: You've been leading this very important effort for five or 232 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: six years. Now. Let me just say, Brian, that you 233 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: rightly say that there's not a lot of detail in 234 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: the National security strategy about how to handle either inbound 235 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: or outbound investment with the Chinese. But that is exactly what, 236 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: of course, the American First Investment policy was all about. 237 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: It was promulgated back in I think the twenty first 238 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: of February, if memory serves, by the President in a 239 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: National Security presidential memorandum, and it would be perfect I 240 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: think if applied forcefully. And this brings us to the 241 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: present moment because this memo to Stephen Miller, the Deputy 242 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Chief of Staff of the White House, was written in 243 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: connection with a very very worrying development. We've been told 244 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: that the trade truce as it's been called, has arranged 245 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: for those rare earth minerals and rare earth magnets as 246 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: you call them, to be freely flowing to our companies. 247 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: Here the Chinese on Friday of last week said no, 248 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: actually not. We're just going to let him go to civilians, 249 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: and only if we think they, you know, are deemed worthy, 250 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: which is to say, not involved in anything like our 251 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: military applications or even dual use purposes. And Brian, what 252 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: this memo addressed to Stephen Miller, who's been disappointed the 253 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: guy in charge, as I understand it, for the President 254 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: of making sure that we try to maintain that trade 255 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: truce as best we can because of the high stakes 256 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: our access to rare minerals specifically, and we suggested in 257 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: the memo, and I want you just to lay the 258 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: groundwork a little bit for this in terms of a 259 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: memorandum of understanding that was promulgated after Joe Biden as 260 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: Vice President, engineered it back in May of twenty thirteen. 261 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: How does that fit into all of this, Brian and 262 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: our specific recommendations in the memo to Steve Miller. 263 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: Well, Look, one of the important pieces of the Trump 264 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: agenda is making sure that we have these fair trade deals, 265 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: and the relationship between the United States and communist China 266 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: is today not at all fair. They're able to come 267 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: to you. They're able to come to US capital markets. One, 268 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 2: we don't want American investors investing in communist China because 269 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: those are dollars that are better spent in the United 270 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: States investing in our future. Number One, they're able to However, 271 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: because of Joe Biden and the Obama administration, the Chinese 272 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: companies are able to come to the United States and 273 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: without any disclosure of the kind of auditing requirements that 274 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: American corporations have to have through the PCAOB they don't 275 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 2: have to do any of the kind of reporting that 276 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: an American corporation would, so that an American investor in 277 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: a transparent way knows what's really going on in that 278 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: Shinese corporation. You want to invest in an American corporation, 279 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: you can read their financials in a Chinese corporation that's 280 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: all hidden from you. Now, that on its face is 281 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: utterly insane, and we've transferred trillions of dollars of American 282 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: wealth to communists China through that process. And one of 283 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: the things we were highlighting for Steven Miller was to 284 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: examine that whole thing and make sure that that makes sense. 285 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: And practice in a reciprocal way restrictions on Chinese companies 286 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: benefiting from their trade arrangements with us as the Chinese 287 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: are doing to us. Just right out of the pages 288 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: of the National Security Strategy. Brian Kennedy, we have to 289 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: leave it at that. So much more to talk about. 290 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for your leadership on this. The memo will 291 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: be available at present danger China dot org, as as 292 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: the work of our committee. Check it out. You're right back, 293 00:19:50,440 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: folks with more stay tuned. We're back. And so I'm 294 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: delighted to say is a dear friend and great well 295 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: freedom fighter here in our country and truly worldwide. Her 296 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: name is Reggie little John, and as you can see 297 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: from the backdrop behind her, she founded and has been 298 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: running a marvelous organization, Women's Rights Without Frontiers. It's been 299 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: focused on combating totalitarianism and the horrors that it inflicts, 300 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: particularly on women, notably through things like forced abortions for 301 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: population control purposes, especially in the hands of the Chinese 302 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: Communist Party. Well, recently she has founded and is running 303 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: a new organization, the Anti Globalist International, which is a 304 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: vehicle for caring forward work that she and I have 305 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: been doing on a couple of different coalitions informal coalitions, 306 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: the Anti vax Passports Coalition and the Sovereignty Coalition, which 307 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: she has been a leading light in, particularly in connection 308 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: with the topic that we wanted to visit with her 309 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: about today, and that is something that she I think 310 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: coined the term for the digital gulog. We're going to 311 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: explore what it is, where it is, and why we 312 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: should be particularly concerned that we may all find ourselves 313 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: residing in it in the not too distant future. Reggie, 314 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: it's great to have you. Welcome back to Securing America. 315 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. Frank, it's great 316 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: to be here. 317 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have the chance to talk with 318 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: somebody who's really been thinking about this and warning about 319 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: it assiduously for years. Because it's now not just a distant, 320 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: fearful prospect it is upon us. And there was a 321 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: marvelous piece that was written by men whose name I'm 322 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: not recalling at the moment at Gatestone Institute, a wonderful 323 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: organization about how the Chinese social credit system is coming 324 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: our way. And maybe we could start, given your long 325 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: history with monitoring and exposing and otherwise castigating the Chinese 326 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: Communist Party, we could start with what does that mean? 327 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: What is the Chinese social credit system? Regie, Well, this. 328 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: Whole issue of the Chinese social credit system going worldwide 329 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: is what caused me to co found the Sovereignty Coalition 330 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: with you and also to found Anti Globalist International because 331 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: any mandatory digital d can be attached to a digital 332 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: dollar and can result in a Chinese style social credit 333 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: system anywhere in the world. So what is that Chinese 334 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: style social credit system? In China? They just they follow 335 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: everybody digitally. They track everything digitally, same as we do 336 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: in the United States, same as we people do in Europe. 337 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 3: Everything is tracked, but the difference is that in China 338 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: it is centralized. So they are they have your facial recognition, 339 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: real time geolocations, they know what you look like, you 340 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: know where you are, where you live, where you work, 341 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: every every place that you have ever traveled is all 342 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: recordedd and this is all and also your your criminal history, 343 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: your medical history, your Internet search history, your Internet spending history, 344 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: and basically anything that is in digital form. It's all 345 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: put centralized into a centralized database to come up with 346 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: a number about how compliant of a Chinese communist sheep 347 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: you are. And if you obey all the rules, you 348 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: never make any waves. They will allow you to live 349 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: what looks like a normal life. But you know that 350 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: if you step out of line, then you're gonna then 351 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: then there's gonna be the punishments. And the punishments start 352 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: with you won't be able to borrow money to buy 353 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: a home, You will lose your job, your kid won't 354 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: be able to go to good school. 355 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 4: If you do. 356 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: Something even worse like criticize the government online or god forbid, 357 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: refused to be vaccinated, they can cut you off from 358 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 3: your credit card and your bank account, and if you're 359 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: truly a dissonant, they will just disappear you. Okay, And 360 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: so my concern is that through the World Health Organization 361 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: in Europe and elsewhere, and even in the United States, 362 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: that we are setting up the infrastructure that could operate 363 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: in the wrong hands, the same as the China social 364 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 3: credit system. 365 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: So what, Reggie, when you talk about infrastructure, I think 366 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: most people's minds would go to physical you know, places, 367 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: prisons for that matter. In the term gulag of course, 368 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: refers to the Soviet prison system back in the heyday 369 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: of communism and the Soviet Union. When you talk about 370 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: a digital gulog, is that a physical thing? I mean 371 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: a card? I guess? But what else? 372 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: Okay? So the digital gulag is digital, it's not primarily physical, 373 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: although it does have a physical aspect to it, Frank, 374 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: which is that in order to run this is run 375 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 3: on artificial intelligence, is run on AI, massive amounts of AI, 376 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 3: and so that in order to you know, be able 377 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: to support this massive amount of AI, there have to 378 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: be physical structures that are being built, and they are 379 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: being built, okay. 380 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: Data centers for example, the data centers right right? 381 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: Massive Okay. So so there's a physical aspect to it, 382 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: but the primary aspect to it is digital. Mean, it's 383 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: a digital gulag, meaning that you are digitally trapped. And 384 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: so what does that mean for you and me? Well, 385 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 3: just think about what. 386 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: They're and again, just to be very much laminous, that 387 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: means your electronic fingerprints, your electronic retinal scans, your electronic 388 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: data sets and so on are all being aggregated and 389 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: assessed by artificial intelligence and manipulated into this so called 390 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: score that assesses, as you say, in China, at least, 391 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: how good a communist sheep you are. So if that 392 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: were to manifest itself beyond China, what would we be seeing? 393 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: And are we seeing it now? 394 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: What you've done, what you have just had identified is 395 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: the biometric aspect of this, which is very frightening because 396 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: if it's hacked, Okay, if our biodectric biometric data is hacked, 397 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 3: there's no way for us to change it. You can 398 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: change your credit card, you cannot change your iris, you 399 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: cannot change your face. So that's that's a whole that's 400 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 3: the whole cannib worms. The biometric aspect of this is 401 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: a whole can of worms. But you know too, Let's 402 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: look at the World Economic Forum. They have a chart 403 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 3: on there about digital IDs, and I believe that the 404 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: World Health Organization, the way that they are rolling out 405 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: these these interoperable international digital IDs in connection with the 406 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: the EU that the ultimate goal is is the World 407 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Economic Form Total Digital ID, which is that they will 408 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: that you are going to need a digital ID in 409 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 3: order to open a bank account, to access healthcare, to travel, 410 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: to own a communications device like a laptop or a 411 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: cell phone, to participate in social media, to access government benefits, 412 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 3: so in America that would be Medicare, Medicaid, social security, 413 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: to vote, to pay your taxes. 414 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: And so what that means, Oh, let me just interrupt you, Reggie. 415 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: You're not just speculating that that's what could happen. You're 416 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: telling us that that's what's in the works under the 417 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: World Economic Forum and Bank of International Settlements in the life. 418 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is, I don't believe that, you know, 419 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: the rank and file people who are implementing this stuff 420 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: are necessarily intending to trap us in a digital gulag. 421 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: But they are unwittingly setting up the system, the infrastructure, 422 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: the system that could do that in the wrong hand. 423 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: And it's so easy for things to. 424 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: Follow, including here. 425 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: Including here. Okay, so here we have you know, Larry Ellison, 426 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: an American who's probably I believe he's the second richest 427 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: person in the world who is, you know, the founder 428 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: and president of Oracle, who is working with Trump on 429 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: some of these things. And I and I and so 430 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: what Larry. 431 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: Says is artificial intelligence among them. 432 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: What we need for What this artificial intelligence is going 433 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: to do is it's going to create individualized cancer vaccines 434 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: for everybody's individualized tumor. Okay, I think that that's how 435 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: he sold it to Trump. That's how he's trying to 436 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: sell it to the American people. But then if you 437 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: go back to just before Trump was elected, Larry Alison 438 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: gave a speech to Oracle where he cast his vision 439 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: for the future. This is what he said. I believe 440 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: that we should all be wearing body cams so that 441 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: everything we say, everything we do, everywhere we go is 442 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: going to be uploaded into AI. And what that's going 443 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: to do is that's going to keep the police on 444 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: their best behavior because they will know that everything they 445 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: say and everything they do is being monitored. And it's 446 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: going to keep ordinary citizens like you and me on 447 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: our best behavior because we know that everything we say, 448 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 3: everything we do is being monitored by AI. And so 449 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: what that's going to do is it's going to help 450 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: us with mall shootings because if there's an escalation at 451 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: the mall, AI will pick it up immediately, and then 452 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: they can just send in drones because drones can get 453 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: there so much faster than people. Okay, this is his 454 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: he said, this is his vision for the future. 455 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, this is nineteen eighty four on steroids. Good. Absolutely, 456 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: And so Ellison is not just a guy. He's a 457 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: guy who has considerable influence, including inside the Trump administration. 458 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: Is there a reason to believe that, for example, real 459 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: IDs in this country will turn into that kind of 460 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: infrastructure and be abused for this kind of purpose. 461 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 3: Real ideas Yeah, okay, so real ideas are are not 462 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: yet biometric, but they can become biometric immediately. So like, 463 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: for example, if you if you have a real ID, 464 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: the picture that was taken of you is biometric. Now 465 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: that that is not it's not in a chip on 466 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: the real ID. Yeah, okay, that's my understanding. But it's 467 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: not in a chip in the real ID itself, but 468 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: it is it is biometric ready. So in other words, 469 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: they could take the next step very quickly to make 470 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: them all biometric. 471 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: And I just have to say that this is such 472 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: a rich topic. There's much more to come on this, Reggie, 473 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: I hope that we can do very soon a sovereignty 474 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: summit and maybe an X space on this and have 475 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: your leadership, as always, very much at the center, come 476 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: back to us with much more in the way of updates, 477 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: if you would very soon. We have to leave it 478 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: at that for the moment, though, God bless you. We'll 479 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: be right back. Books. Stay tuned. We're back, and so 480 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: is Peter Macklvina, one of the freedom fighters who has 481 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: come to the four in a country that is now 482 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: well under siege. Doesn't quite describe it because siege suggests 483 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: they're outside the walls, and unfortunately, the enemy is very 484 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: much inside the United Kingdom at the moment. And when 485 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: I speak of the enemy, I'm specifically speaking of what 486 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: I call Sharia supremacists, people who embrace and are following 487 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: scrupulously the dictates of the Islamic operating code that emanates 488 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: from the divine direction. For want of a better term, 489 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: that this character called Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, says 490 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: he got from angels and the like, as well as 491 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: his own personal practice, which is pretty horrific, especially when 492 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: you consider that he's described as the perfect man. The 493 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: man I'm speaking of pretty darn near perfection in most 494 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: respects is Peter Mceilvena. He is a dear friend as 495 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: well as a very valued colleague, and he runs an 496 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: operation called Hearts of Oak with another man, I revere, 497 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: Lord Malcolm Pearson, for whom he works in the House 498 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: of Lords some of the time and the rest of 499 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: the time. He is helping the rest of us understand 500 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: what is going on in the United Kingdom and in 501 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 1: Europe more generally, and what's headed our way in the 502 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: form of gihad stealthy, if not violent, probably both, and 503 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: I couldn't be more pleased to have him with us 504 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: to talk about all of that at this juncture. Peter, 505 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. Good to have you as always. 506 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 4: Thank you, Frank. 507 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: I want to say Thirstaul, thank you Peter for enlistening 508 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: in a campaign that our victory Coalition and friends have 509 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: launched in the past couple of days. I hope to 510 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: do so in earnest this week. It's called Ban the Brotherhood, 511 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: and I want to add a Philip to it. I 512 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: think it should be also thought of as saving civilization. 513 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: Ban the Brotherhood, and I want you to talk a 514 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: little bit about what is really on the line in 515 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: terms of Western civilization at the moment as you are 516 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: witnessing it with your front seat perspective. Given what's happening 517 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: at the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted other 518 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: jihadists in the United Kingdom. 519 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 4: Well there are two. Let me touch on the UK 520 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 4: and then let me come back to the to the 521 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 4: US point of view and understanding. I think part of 522 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 4: the issue you have in Europe the Muslim Brotherhood, it's 523 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: done fantastically well on influencing and yet not being the 524 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 4: target itself. And it's this moving targ which I think 525 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 4: has utterly confused any European government. Certainly, I think Austria 526 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: is the only country to designate the Muslim Brotherhood of 527 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 4: the terrorist organization back in twenty twenty one. I know 528 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 4: France and in Europe. In Europe, yes, in Europe have 529 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: done it, some of them at least other so Behran 530 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 4: has done us. I think you you've done it to 531 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 4: other country. I think, sorry even if it. And in 532 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 4: Europe we've had some kind of conversation. I know that 533 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 4: in Germany and France they've discussed concerns. I know in 534 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 4: the UK We've also discussed concerns. Different government reports have 535 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 4: talked about Muslim Brotherhood been an extremist organization, but it's 536 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: only Austria they've gone ahead and actually designated a band 537 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: for it. And I don't know why there is such 538 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 4: fear why. I don't know what Europe benefit. Now you 539 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 4: have to go deeper into the funding aspect, and of 540 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 4: course this is to do with Europe's position in the 541 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: Middle East with Islamic countries, but Austria has taken the lead, 542 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 4: maybe because Austria is not necessarily at the heart. You've 543 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 4: generally had that France, German, UK axis in Europe and 544 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 4: they've all held off. So that is where we are 545 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 4: now in Brotherhood very closely linked most of the major 546 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: Islamic organizations in the UK, the Eight Organizations, Muslim Counc, Britain, 547 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 4: other organizations, so it kind of they shadowy figure behind 548 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 4: the scenes. And I've always been intrigued. Frank, maybe when 549 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 4: we catch up sometime next year over food or drink, 550 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 4: I can find out regarding we're twenty years on from 551 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 4: the Holy Land Foundation trial and there were those list 552 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 4: of hundreds of organizations that every the government had huge 553 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 4: concerns about and we are now eighteen years later and 554 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 4: once again talking about banning the Muslim Brotherhood, the impact 555 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 4: it has. And it's intriguing when an organization was so 556 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 4: high profile during the Land Foundation, it then dips and 557 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 4: now has reappeared eighteen years later. And I think that 558 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 4: now there does seem to be the desire. But yeah, 559 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 4: and yet there have only been few that have really 560 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 4: tried to push his No, Ted Cruise has tried to 561 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 4: introduce legislation numerous times, has never happened. Suddenly there is 562 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 4: an interest, and that's why I think the bond the 563 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 4: Brotherhood initiative that you have started, Frank is perfectly timed 564 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 4: for Nai. 565 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter, thank you. Let me just take a second 566 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: here or to amplify what you've just alluded to. And 567 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm happy to break bread with you at any point, 568 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 1: and a stiff drink is probably required for this story, 569 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: but just to cut to the essence of it, the 570 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: Holy Land Foundation trial was the largest financing terrorism prosecution 571 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: in America's history for terrorism, that is, and it involved 572 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: this entity, the Holy Land Foundation, based in Texas, that 573 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: was raising money for a designated terrorist organization known as 574 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: Hamas in the course of the prosecution, the Justice Department 575 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: listed some thing over three hundred, as I recall, unindicted 576 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: co conspirators, including, by the way, the Council and American 577 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: Islamic Relations, which Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, as you 578 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: know Peter recently designated as a terrorist organization along with 579 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: the Muslim Brotherhood of which it is the leading edge. 580 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: The idea, as I understand it was that the Justice 581 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: Department was supposed to, having successfully prosecuted the five principles 582 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: in the Holy Land Foundation, to turn its attention to 583 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: prosecuting the other three hundred. Only something happened, almost simultaneously 584 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: with the convictions of those first five, a guy by 585 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: the name of Barack Obama was elected President of the 586 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: United States. We're going to come back and pick up 587 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: the rest of that tale on the other side of 588 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: the short break. You're not going to want to miss it. 589 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: To stay tuned for more with Peter Macavina of Hearts 590 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: of Oak. Right after this welcome back, we're visiting with 591 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: Peter Michael Venna, a great leader in the fight for 592 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: Western civilization based in the United Kingdom. His reach is however, 593 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: now very firmly on both sides of the pond, in 594 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: part thanks to our friend Steve Bannon amplifying his work 595 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: and what we try to do in our small way 596 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: here at Securing America with him most weeks. Peter, I 597 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: just want to finish this tale because you picked a scab. 598 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: I guess it's the way I would put it by 599 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: asking about the Holy Land Foundation, and just to finish 600 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: the thought. When Barack Obama was elected, one of the 601 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: first things that his bagman, the Attorney General of the 602 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: United States, Eric Holder, did was to snuff any thought 603 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: of a second prosecution that would have in fact gone 604 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: after the Muslim Brotherhood's infrastructure in the United States, at least, 605 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, three hundred of its leading front organizations, including 606 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: the Council on American Islamic Relations, and frankly, ever since, 607 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: what we have seen successive administrations, and I'm sorry to say, 608 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: I think it's true of the Trump administration as well, 609 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: doing is employing Muslim Brotherhood affiliated people, or at least 610 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: sympathizers with the sort of Sharia supremacism of which the 611 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood is the leading edge. And as a result, 612 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: we've not seen anything remotely like the kind of well 613 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: to quote Donald J. Trump, as you know, on a 614 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: October excuse me, August fifteenth, twenty sixteen, as the nominee 615 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,479 Speaker 1: for the presidency of the Republican Party hadn't been elected yet, 616 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump went to Youngstown, Ohio and made an epic 617 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: speech about the ideology of radical Islam and how it 618 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: had to be countered in strong contrast to what Hillary Clinton, 619 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: who was all about embracing the Brotherhood, in fact had 620 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 1: at her right hand Homa Aberdeen, a top Brotherhood operative. 621 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: I believe Trump said he was going to have a 622 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: very different policy. And one of the things he specifically said, Peter, 623 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: which goes to this point about the Holyland Foundation and 624 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: so much more in the Brotherhood's vast infrastructure in our country. 625 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 1: As he said, in a Trump administration, we will strip 626 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: out and remove one by one the support networks of 627 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: radical Islam. We need that to be done right now. 628 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: And the place to do that, mister President, is by 629 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: designating the Muslim Brotherhood as the terrorist organization it is. Anyway, 630 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: forgive me for taking so much of your time, Peter, 631 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate you listen and nodding, but talk a little 632 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: bit about one aspect of what Sharia supremacism is looking 633 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: like that. I want particularly young people in America to 634 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: be taking aboard. Tommy Robinson has been in the vanguard 635 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: on that, and so has with his inspiration Elon Musk 636 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: and so have you tell us about the so called 637 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: grooming gangs of Britain. 638 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 4: Well, these are Muslim family mass rip gangs and they 639 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 4: have operated for over fifty years. And again, is this 640 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 4: fear off pointing out something that comes from the Islamic 641 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 4: community or comes from Islamic teaching, because you don't want 642 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 4: to be branded islamophobic. And we've had discussion on this 643 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 4: even over the last two days in the UK about 644 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 4: this term, this reference that they're pushing through in a 645 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 4: working group to bring Islamic blasphemy through the back door 646 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 4: and we. 647 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: Have wait a minute, speak to that point. That's a 648 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: reference that's very important. So Islamic blasphemy, what are you 649 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: referring to there? And what does the backdoor mean here? 650 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 4: So we have a working group in the UK started 651 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 4: by the government to bring together an official legal definition 652 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 4: for islamophobia, to codify that in law, and the concern is. 653 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,720 Speaker 1: To prohibit engaging in so called islamophobia. 654 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 4: And again what is islamophobia And it seems to be 655 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 4: that the UK gounbd A going down the line that 656 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 4: any criticis or any offense, which of course is very dangerously, 657 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 4: very wide open. So and over the weekend. 658 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure your supremacists are after all, easily offended, are 659 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: they not. 660 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 4: Very easily, very easily fright? And we have there there 661 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 4: are a number of people over the weekends raising concerns 662 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 4: that the UK government have sidelined any dissent on this 663 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 4: because they want to force this through and present. 664 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 1: Peter make the point about how this ties into the 665 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: Islamic tenants of blasphemy. 666 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,439 Speaker 4: Well, this is this is hugely fair and because again 667 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 4: on the grooming gangs, no one talked about it because 668 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 4: the fear of being branded islamophobic. But if that is 669 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 4: a legal definition, then it means that the police must 670 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 4: arrest you for any criticism. So if you're raising an 671 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 4: issue of how is or how Muslims are treating someone 672 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 4: else according to Islamic teaching, then you have broken the 673 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 4: law and you will be arrested at the moment. It 674 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 4: depends on the police forces, it depends on who complains. 675 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 4: But this will be then across the board anything. 676 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: Peter, I'm sorry, I just want to press you on 677 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: this point. What they would be enforcing, whether it's the 678 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: law of Britain or not, is the law of Islam, 679 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: which says that you may not say anything that gives 680 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: offense to a Muslim because that blasphemes against Islam. So 681 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: in effect, you're talking about the absolute adoption and enforcement 682 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: of Sharia law by His Majesty's government if this were 683 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: to proceed. Is that right? Oh? 684 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 4: Exactly. And we have had these eighty factory courts operating 685 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 4: for but twenty years. 686 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, we're almost out of time, Peter. Get to 687 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: the bottom line. You're not going to be able to 688 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: talk about rape gangs because that would be blaspheming against 689 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: Islam and impermissible under this new statute. Is that basically 690 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: where this is headed. 691 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 4: That's basically where it's head. That where it's headed. And 692 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 4: we've already had that suggestion. Now it will be codified 693 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 4: in law. So you cannot criticize these men for carrying 694 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 4: out what they're carrying out and the law will protect 695 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 4: them as they have done. I will continue to arrest 696 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 4: the girls, the young children for prostitution, and of course 697 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 4: children cannot choose, but that's where the state's moving. 698 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: And Peter, I've heard you say that there may be 699 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: as many as one million young British girls that have 700 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,359 Speaker 1: been raped serially and enslaved in this fashion. Is that right? 701 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 4: Very quickly that was a left wing MP. Sarah Champion said, 702 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 4: up to woman and girls have been affected. She's this 703 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 4: is newspaper. 704 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: This is as I say, I've seen and outrageous. Must 705 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: not be allowed to happen in Britain and certainly must 706 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: not come here. Peter macklvinn and thank you. Come back 707 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: to us soon. Hearts of ok dot org. Stay tuned, 708 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: folks will be right back with more m