1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: One day, I'm leaving a doctor appointment and I get 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: a phone call from the FBI and they just say, hey, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: this is so and so with the Dallas FBI. Would 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: you come in and talk to us about your husband? 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: And I said, why, what about my husband? 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: change everything. As a listener, note this episode contains references 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: to suicide and suicidal ideation. Please take care while listening. 10 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: About a year ago, we heard from a fast talking 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: Southern woman named Dawn. 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm from East Texas, born and raised. 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: Donna is a firecracker, speaking your mind. Just in Don's family. 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: She gets it from her mom. My matter is just 15 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: a good little. 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Four foot nine Pentecostal woman, but she also doesn't mince words. 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: Dawn's story of betrayal is a little different. She's the 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: first to say that her story starts when she committed 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: a betrayal of her own. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: We did start as a betrayal. There was a lot 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: of people hurting this and I was not always the 22 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: innocent person. I did a lot of hurting. 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: In the early two thousands, Don was married with two 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: young daughters. She described her first husband as a nice guy, 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: maybe the first guy that had ever really been good 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: to her, but she wasn't in love. One night, Don 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: decided to go out with her sister. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I actually left church to meet my sister out on 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: a Wednesday night at a bar. 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: And there this man is. 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I saw him, and there was an instant attraction. 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: His name was Wes. Wes was an oil man, as 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: they say in Texas, and he had a smooth talking 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: persona to match. 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: When he walked into a room, he commanded the room. 36 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I'd never seen anything like it. He was just one 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: of those people and he was paying attention to me, 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa. And I had a little 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: shirt that came right to the top of my high 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: waisted jeans, you know, and I've moved and my belly 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: showed and he reached and kind of like touched my belly, 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and I was pulling my shirt down and he's like, oh, 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: don't pull your shirt down, that's sexy. 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: That night, he focused intensely on her. Wes laughed heart 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: at her jokes, and the way he looked at her 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: made her feel beautiful. 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: We talked all night. We just stood in the corner 48 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: of the club, like where people were dancing and drinking, 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: just talking. 50 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: Dawn told him about her husband and two daughters, but 51 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: he didn't bat an eye. Honestly, she was surprised that 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: he was single. 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Tell me he was not married, and then he didn't 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: have any children, and I didn't believe that. I was like, 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: that's bullshit. There's absolutely no way in hell that you're 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: not married and don't have any kids. 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 2: Against her better judgment, she gave him her phone number 58 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: and then they went their separate ways. 59 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: From then, we just talked every day and we would 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: meet out once a week. 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: That went on for about eight months. In the beginning, 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: it was an emotional affair. There was nothing physical going on, 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: and he stuck to his story about being single with 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: no kids. 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: I just kept telling him, like, I don't believe you, 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: like you might as well just tell me, like, I'm married, 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: I have a ring on. 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: After a few months, Wes finally came clean. He did 69 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: have a wife and a daughter too. 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I knew it, like I knew it, 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: Like I don't know why you were lying to be 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: thank you for being honest. 73 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: He confessed that he'd had a few affairs before, but. 74 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: This time with Dawn it was different. They'd been talking 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: every day for months, seeing each other once a week, 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: and even though nothing physical had happened between them, Wes 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: was in deep. This is what he told her. 78 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: I fell in love with you, and I just didn't 79 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: know what to do with this situation. And I didn't 80 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: want to lose you, but I didn't want to disappoint 81 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: my family. 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Wes was a preacher's son. No one and his family 83 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: had ever been divorced, and down understood that pressure. But 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: after eight months their emotional affair turned physical and there 85 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: was no going back. 86 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: After that, I knew what I was doing was wrong. 87 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: I knew then that I had to start working towards 88 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: dissolving my marriage. 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: She was the first to take Philip to leave her marriage. 90 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: She wanted to start over with Wes at her side. 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: Not long after, Wes said he and his wife were 92 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: also separating in order for him to be with Don. 93 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: In a few months after that. 94 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: We got engaged. 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: They made their relationship public, spend time with each other's kids, 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: and started building a new life together. Don started bringing 97 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: Wes around her family and spending time with his young daughter. 98 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: His larger family wasn't ready to accept Wes's recent separation. Regardless, 99 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: he and Don began envisioning a life together. Don had 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: stayed home with her kids in the past and loved it. 101 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: Wes said he could give that life to her again. 102 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: He could afford it. 103 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: He told me, I have enough money to take care 104 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: of you, so I want you to stay home. And 105 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: he bought me a brand new two thousand and four expedition. 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: It was a forty five thousand dollars vehicle, so I'd 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: rate my job down. 108 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: Agreed to move to a small town outside of Dallas, 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: where Wes lived. His whole family was there too. He 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: wanted to stay close to his daughter. Because he and 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: Don weren't married yet, he decided to live separately. Wes 112 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: lived with his mom while Don and her daughters ran 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: into a small house in town. 114 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: He moved me to. 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: This tiny little town of only a few hundred people 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: with one grocery store. 117 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: There, Wes got a new job in the steel business, 118 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: and Don settled into her new life as a stay 119 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: at home mom. The couple started making plans to get married. 120 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: I wanted a Vegas wedding because it wasn't my first Rodeo. 121 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I wanted Elvis to give me away. He wanted a minister. 122 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: But in the middle of wedding planning, Don's cell phone 123 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: got turned off. She assumed that Wes, as busy as 124 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: he was, had forgotten to pay their bill. It was 125 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, so she used her landline to 126 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: call his office. He had been working at a place 127 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: called Chaparral Steel, so. 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: I called Chaparral Steel. I got to get hold of 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: him and I'm like, yeah, need to speak to Wes. 130 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: And They're like, we don't have anyone who works here. 131 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: By that name. 132 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you sure? So Wes was 133 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: his middle name, So I tell him like, sure, you 134 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: don't I have a you know, like George Wesley Harris Junior. 135 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: He's like no, and I said, let me talk to hr. 136 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: They put me on the phone like they're like, we 137 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: don't have anyone that works here by that name. And 138 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: then everything in me just gets this pit right. 139 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god. 140 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: He lied about where he worked. What was going on? 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: Her gut instinct told her to call his ex wife. 142 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: I looked at the phone and you know, when you're 143 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: about to do something, you know, your whole life's about 144 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: to go in a different director, like it's going to 145 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: change that the course of your life is you know it. 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: It's kind of that moment. 147 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: I called her and she's like, who is this? And 148 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: I said, this is Don this is Wes is fiance. 149 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: There was a long pause on the other end of 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: the phone. Something wasn't right. Before she could get an 151 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: answer about the job, the conversation took a different. 152 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Turn and she said, don't ever haul this house again. 153 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: And I said, wait, are y'all still married? And she goes, yes, 154 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: we are, and we have been very much married for 155 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: the last ten years. Don't call this house again. She 156 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: hangs up the phone, and I'm just standing there in 157 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: shock because we're supposed to be getting married that month 158 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: and he's still married, living with her, telling me he's 159 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: little with his mom. So then she calls me right 160 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: back and says, well, I know where his heart is 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: because he just left the house and I'm quite certain 162 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: he's probably on his way to your house. 163 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: And she hangs up. 164 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Well, about five minutes later, he shows up at my door. 165 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: She looked like ten minutes from me. 166 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: John had moved her whole life and her kids to 167 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: this small town. She thought it was for her and 168 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: West to start a new life together. Turns out it 169 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: was so he could be closer to his wife, who 170 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: he was still living with. He was never separated. 171 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: He moves me to this tiny town with one grocery store. 172 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: At any point in time, I could have run into 173 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: his wife and daughter at the grocery store, and the 174 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: daughter would have run up to me and been like, Don, 175 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: she's a toddler. 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Within ten minutes, both Wes and his wife were at 177 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: Don's house and they were fighting. 178 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a copy episode up in my house 179 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: right now. 180 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: With hindsight, Don can joke about it now. But in 181 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: the moment her relationship with Wes was over. 182 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: He told me he was really living with his mom now, 183 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: So that came to fruition. He kept telling me like, 184 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: no one's ever going divorced in my family. I didn't 185 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: know how to end the marriage. I want to be 186 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: with you, like we can be together, we could fix this, 187 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: but I was done with him. We separated, and then 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: he had a nervous breakdown. Then he went into his 189 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: first seventy two hour hold in a mental institution for 190 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: a breakdown. 191 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: She had sympathy for him, especially as he was going 192 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: through a mental health crisis. 193 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: I just thought, he's just conflicted, he doesn't want to 194 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: hurt his family. I can love him through that, and 195 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be great once we get through this crap. 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: And I just went to bat for him because I 197 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: had given up so much. 198 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: A few weeks after everything came to light, she took 199 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: him back. Wes kept saying he was in the process 200 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: of divorcing his. 201 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Wife, and finally it was his wife that called me 202 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: one day and he was in my living room and 203 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: she said, is he with you? And I said yes, 204 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: and she said, he told me he hasn't seen you 205 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: and hasn't been seeing you. I said, well, you know, 206 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: we're still seeing each other. And she said, you could 207 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: have him. 208 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm done. 209 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: The whole situation was messy, destructive, but Dawn and Wes 210 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: could finally be together for real this time. But of 211 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: course there was still that issue of his job, or 212 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: the job he said he had. When she asked about it, 213 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 2: Wes confessed that he'd been fired from a string of 214 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: jobs and he was too ashamed teller. She pitied him. 215 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: He put so much pressure on himself to appear perfect, 216 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: and it was taking a massive toll on him. So 217 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: Don's strategy was to love him through this tumultuous time, 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: to assure him that they would figure it out together. 219 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: And pretty soon he came to her with a new 220 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: job prospect. 221 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: He said, I have the opportunity to go back in 222 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: the oilen gas business. 223 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: He was working in the oil business when they met. 224 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: She didn't want him to slide back into the toxic 225 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: culture he'd left behind, but she knew she couldn't control him. Plus, 226 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: it was a good job offer, so he took the. 227 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: Job, and it was that job, saying good being his downfall. 228 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: Dawn had forgiven her fiance West for a number of things. 229 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: He told her he was separated from his wife, when 230 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 2: in reality he was still very much with her. He 231 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: told Don he worked as a salesman at a steel company, 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: which she found out was also a lie. Finally, with 233 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: Wes coming clean, the couple could enter a new era, 234 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: a sort of golden era, and it started with a wedding. 235 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: We went to Little Chapel of the West, which is 236 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: a historical, beautiful chapel there in Vegas, and Elvis gave 237 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: me away. He said, this is your Priscilla and he 238 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: kissed me and then he gave me away Wes, and 239 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: then we went and did tequila shots in my wedding 240 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: dress at Caesar's Palace. 241 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: Was awesome. 242 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: The new job Westcord, which this time was a real job, 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: proved to be a natural fit for him. He was 244 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: managing investor money at an oil and gas company, and 245 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: he was great at it. 246 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: He quickly became their top producer, selling million dollars in 247 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: investments some months, and their number one salesman. 248 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: They moved out of the small town where his ex 249 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: wife and family lived and settled in a Fort Worth 250 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: suburb to be near his job. 251 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: But he's like, let's look at houses. And we were 252 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: looking at houses and I'm like, well, what's our budget 253 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: And he's like, well, no, we can put one hundred 254 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars down a house. And I'm like, oh, okay, 255 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: that's nice. So we looked at this house on the 256 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: golf course. It is beautiful, and we bought that. 257 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: The cherry on top. They joined the country club. 258 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: It was like, if you were anyone, you were at 259 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: Walnut Creek Country Club. 260 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: They were officially somebody's And it was around this time 261 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: when she entered this life of luxury. That Dawn made 262 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: a new friend, we'll call her Sandy. 263 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Her and I became fast friends. And then we got 264 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: our hose husbands together, and they became very good friends, 265 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: and they would golf together, we'd all travel together. 266 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: As their personal life blossomed, so did Wes's career. The 267 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: oil company was growing a lot, and Wes had made 268 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: friends with the right people there, people who wanted to 269 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: take them all the way to the top of the company. 270 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: In fact, they gave him the opportunity to buy the company. 271 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: He did, and he took over as CEO. 272 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you know, Wes was the president 273 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: and owner, and then all of a sudden, I'm the 274 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: wife of a man who owns the company. And I 275 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: just was like, Okay, here we go. 276 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: This is awesome. 277 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: The sale of the company happened fast and under kind 278 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: of weird circumstances, but Wes didn't seem concerned about it, 279 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: and the money was good. 280 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: I never really had to what for anything, Like if 281 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: I wanted something, I would just say, hey, do you 282 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: care if I get this? Or Hey, I want to 283 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: go to lunch today with some ladies. 284 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: And the couple got to spend a lot of time 285 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: doing something they both love, partying. 286 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: We were drinking a lot partying. You know. My kids 287 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: were with their dad every other weekend, and we're at 288 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: the country club five nights a week. 289 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: It was a whirlwind, Great Gatsby style, but set in 290 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: the two thousand and six Texas suburbs. Don and West 291 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: were still in their thirties and they made it big. 292 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: She knew her husband was a charmer, but there were 293 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: two sides to that coin. On one side, he was 294 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: a natural leader and salesman, but on the other side, 295 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Wes was still the same old lady's man. Early on, 296 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: Don found evidence that Wes might be cheating on her. 297 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Instead of confronting him, she decided to take a different approach. 298 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: I decided that if he could do it in front 299 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: of my face, at least I'd have control over it. 300 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: So we started going to swingers clouts. 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: I had to know a little more about the Dallas 302 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: swinger scene. 303 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: They're actual bars and Dallas and they have their own 304 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: little language, so you can know if other people go 305 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: to these places. You'd just slip in some little language 306 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: that only other people know, and then you know who 307 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: you're talking to the. 308 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: Couple would agree on their boundaries beforehand. 309 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: We can at least just be free. We can dance 310 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: with each other and make out and do whatever we 311 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: want to do. We don't have to talk to other people. 312 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: And I would go and be like, okay, I trust you, 313 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: don says. 314 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: She was quote in the lifestyle for about a year 315 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: and a half until the party started feeling off to her. 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: It stopped being fun, but Wes pressured her to keep 317 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: going with him. Those nights would always end in drunken 318 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: blackouts fights. 319 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: I got to where I would wake up in the 320 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: morning and be like, I can't do this. I'd be 321 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: on my knees in prayer, you know, because we're like 322 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: part of a church community too. We had this double life, 323 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: and so I would be like, I can't do this. 324 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: They stopped going to swingers clubs together and for a 325 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: while everything seemed normal. That was until years later, when 326 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: Wes began spending more and more time at work. Dawn 327 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: was becoming suspicious about his work travel and the long 328 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: hours he was putting in. Plus, he became guarded with 329 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: his phone whenever Down tried to confront him. They got 330 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: into an argument after one particularly bad fight. 331 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I lied to Wes and told him that I went 332 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: and got coffee and was just trying to cool off. 333 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: In reality, she drove to a friend's house to vent 334 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: about Wes, and. 335 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: The coffee place I did not know was open at 336 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: that hour. So Wes was like, you're lying to me, 337 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: and everything just blew up. 338 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: It was a lie that gave him a reason to 339 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: leave her, and he took it immediately. 340 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: When he came back home to pack a bag, he said, 341 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: this is over. I want a divorce, and I remember 342 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: begganing like, please, don't do this. We can figure this out, like, 343 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: don't do this. 344 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: Don couldn't understand why he was so eager to walk 345 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: out on her, so she turned to her friend Sandy, 346 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: and Sandy had recently seen. 347 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Wes, and she's like, we took his ring off. I 348 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: just want you to know he was not wearing his ring. 349 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: Don was devastated and Sandy was there to comfort her. 350 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: And I remember my head was in her lap and 351 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm crying and she's like, Don, this relationship it's just 352 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: too much. It's like a bomb fuse and it was 353 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: bound to burn out. 354 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: Soon after Wes went on a work trip, Don got 355 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: a weird feeling about it. Call it intuition. So she 356 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: decided to do a little investigating. 357 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: I found out where he was saying. 358 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: She called the hotel front desk, and she found out 359 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: that there were two people staying in Wes's room. The 360 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: other person was Sandy Down's friend. She suddenly understood why 361 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: Wes had been so quick to walk out of their marriage, 362 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: and why Sandy was feeding her information about Wes's infidelity, 363 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: even advising her that the relationship was too much. 364 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: She was supposed to be my brand, but she's screwing 365 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: my husband. 366 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: When Wes came back from that business trip, his affair 367 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: with Sandy was out it. 368 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: It was a big scandal. You know, we were all 369 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: members of the country club. Her and I were on 370 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: the committee at the country club together. So now that's outed. 371 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: They're up there hold enhanced the country club, and everybody's talking, talking, talking. 372 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: It was humiliating, infuriating, but it was nothing compared to 373 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: what came next. 374 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: He comes and tells me that he filed for divorce 375 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: and he put a restrained order on me to keep 376 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: me out of his company. 377 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: A restraining order. She didn't have anything to do do 378 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: with his company. 379 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: I think I walked in the doors of his company 380 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: maybe three or four times, like I could kind of 381 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: one hand. I didn't have anything to do with it. 382 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: So telling me to stay all the company like that 383 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: pissed me off. 384 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: So Wes offered to make her a deal to buy 385 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: her off. 386 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: He said, I will give you enough money that you 387 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: can buy a house cash. I'll give you enough money 388 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: for that. And I said, you were nothing when I 389 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: met you. You were borrowing money from your mother, living 390 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: in my rent house. If you think you're going to 391 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: replace me and my two girls with her and her 392 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: two boys, and you're going to give me money for 393 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: a house and you're operating a multi million dollar company, 394 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: you can go fuck yourself. 395 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: I go, that's not happening. 396 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: When she didn't take the first seal he offered, Wes 397 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: tried another one. 398 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: He tried to start calming me down. He's like, we 399 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: can work this out together. We'll use my attorney. He's like, 400 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: I will sit down with my accountant. I will let 401 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: you look at all the books. He goes, if you 402 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: just calm down, you don't even have to come to 403 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: the hearing. I'll take care of it. The restraining gold 404 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: will go away. 405 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: She took that deal and she believed him. She didn't 406 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: even know what day the divorce hearing was set for. 407 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: Until I was at my second grader's field day in 408 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: one of the country club members. A man came up 409 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: to me and said, I need you to know. Wes 410 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: is going around telling everybody that he got everything and 411 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: that you're going to be out on your ass in 412 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. He's just going to put you 413 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: out and he has everything, like you didn't show up 414 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: to a trial. What he did was he walked in 415 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: there and told the judge, my wife is a raging alcoholic. 416 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: She's violent and abusive. She did not even care to 417 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: be here today. And the judge gave him everything everything, 418 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't know it now. 419 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: She was ready to burn it all down. 420 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: I called him and I say, I'm getting an attorney. 421 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't trust you anymore. 422 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: She didn't just hire any attorney, hired the mayor of 423 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: their town. 424 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: I remember Wes going, you hired the mayor of Mansfeld, 425 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're fucking right. I did. 426 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: And that's when Wes let something slip. 427 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: He starts freaking out, and in his panic, he did 428 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: say to me, Dawn, don't get an attorney. He goes, 429 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: right now, things are in the gray at work, and 430 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull it up out of. 431 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: The gray area. 432 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: He goes, I could go to prison. I should have 433 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: stopped on that and double tapped into that statement. 434 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: Dawn discovered her husband, Wes, had been cheating on her 435 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: with her close friend, and in the divorce that followed, 436 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: he filed a restraining order to keep Dawn out of 437 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: his multimillion dollar business. Yes, he crossed her one too 438 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: many times, and now she needed to know the extent 439 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: of his wrongdoing. 440 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: And then I'm starting to go on the internet looking 441 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: at stuff about his company, the things that people are 442 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: saying about his company. I'm like, I cannot get over this, 443 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: Like this is crazy. They're saying it's a scam and 444 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: there's no return. 445 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: She saw a posts from people who'd invested in Wes's 446 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: oil company saying they'd been promised returns, but those returns 447 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: never came. Dawn was also finding records of properties in 448 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: her husband's name, properties she didn't know anything about. That 449 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: all led back to Wes. 450 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: I have a friend who works for the SEC and 451 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: so I called her one day and I said, I 452 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: just need to vent about the stuff i'm finding out 453 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: about his company. And she said, you're on my government issued. 454 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: Phone, so anything you say. 455 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: And I said, well, if you're a government oh, Trump's 456 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: our friendship, so be it. But I need, I think 457 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: I need to tell you this stuff i'm finding out. 458 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: What I didn't know is he was already under investigation. 459 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: So when she said that to me, that was her 460 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: little under the table warning because there was really something 461 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: going on. 462 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: Her friend couldn't tell her about the investigation, but someone 463 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: else was about to. 464 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I'd gone to your doctor appointment and I was leaving 465 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: the doctor's office and I get a phone call and 466 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: it was is this Dawn Harris? And I said yes 467 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: it is and they said, this is so and so 468 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: with the Dallas FBI office. We'd like for you to 469 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: come in. And I was like, excuse me, and they said, 470 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: we have some questions for you. And I said, what 471 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of questions? What's this about? And they said it's 472 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: about your husband, Wes Harris. And I said what about 473 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: my husband? And they said, well, it's about his company. 474 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: And I said what about company? Like, I don't know 475 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: what I can tell you about his company. I don't 476 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: have anything to do with this company. 477 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: She might not be involved with the company, but she 478 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: did know Wes was always up to something and if 479 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: she could help expose more of his lies. 480 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: She was in and I called my attorney's office. The 481 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: paralegal there answered the phone and I told her the 482 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: FBI just called me, and she said, you're probably being tapped. 483 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: Don't talk to anyone, come straight here. 484 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: But almost immediately Wes started calling. 485 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: So my phone's blowing up. Where are you? Where are you? 486 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: So he tells me he's going to come by the house, 487 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: and later that evening he came by the house and 488 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: he kept doing this really weird thing where he would 489 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: talk to me and tell me he wanted to get 490 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: back together, and then he'd drop his eyes and he'd 491 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: get real close to me, and then he'd snap out 492 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: of it and start talking again. And it was making 493 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: me very nervous, and so we went from the kitchen 494 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: into the living room and we both sat down, and 495 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: that's when he looked at me and goes, what did 496 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: the FBI call you today? And I went, I don't know, 497 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: and he said, what do they want? I said, I 498 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: don't know. 499 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: They said they. 500 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: Wanted to talk about you, and he said, well, you're 501 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: not going to talk to them. I said, no, I'm 502 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: going in to talk to them. And he wanted to 503 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: send me with one of his attorneys, and I declined that. 504 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: I said absolutely not. I said, I'm not going with 505 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: an attorney. I have nothing to hide, I don't need 506 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: an attorney. I'm going to go in there and answer 507 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: their questions. And he was trying to get me out 508 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: to talk to them. 509 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: But don did talk with the Vets and she learned 510 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: he had misappropriated two million dollars. 511 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 2: That two million dollars was just the beginning. In total, 512 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: Wes's company illegally raised thirteen million through what's known as 513 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: a boiler room scheme. Salespeople like Wes dooped hundreds of 514 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: everyday people to invest their savings in the company's oil 515 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: drilling projects. But they were doing it using baked to 516 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: falsified information about the company's profits and empty promises about 517 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: their expected returns, and a lot of those investor funds 518 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: weren't being used to expand the company's profits. 519 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: He was ballsy. He had a stripper on the payroll. 520 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: He paid monthly, which I mean, you don't steal millions 521 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: of dollars at like thirty five years old, without being 522 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: super ballsy. 523 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: And where did all that money go? Well, Wes used 524 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: it to fund their famili's lavish lifestyle. 525 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: I would look at things and be like, that was 526 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: bot was stolen money, you know, like that's kind of 527 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: hard to stomach, and your whole life is bought. Was 528 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: stolen money. 529 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: Money stolen from regular people who'd invested in Wes's oil 530 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: and gas company, who were told they'd see massive returns. 531 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: Investors were calling me saying, I know your daughter's names, 532 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: where they go to school, I know where you live. 533 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: I gave him three quarters of a million dollars and 534 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: he ruined my life and I'm going to ruin his. 535 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: And then I was so panicked. I'm like, he doesn't 536 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: even live here, Like we're separated. So now that they know, 537 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm alone. 538 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: She was scared for her own safety, but more so 539 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: she was devastated when she heard from the victims of 540 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: Wes's fraud. 541 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: I had one woman who was really sweet. She called me, 542 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: and she goes, we're a mom and pop place in 543 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: New Mexico. She goes, we gave him all of our 544 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: life savings. 545 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: Even though Don wasn't responsible for Wes's crimes, she was 546 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: still financially entangled with him. 547 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: His LLC that he was laundering money through. He had 548 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: put me as the president, so I was the president 549 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: of that until we split up. I had written checks 550 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: out of that account, but just because he would tell me, like, 551 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: write a check, and then he took me off of it, 552 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: thank god. 553 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: But of course everything he'd bought for the couple, from 554 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: their house to Don's shoes, could now be seized by 555 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: the Feds. 556 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: I was told that federal marshals were going to show 557 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: up at my house and I would be able to 558 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: pack a bag for me and my child drink. 559 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: Don's life was on pause as she waited for the 560 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: financial and legal reckoning. 561 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: We could not have our divorce trial until the sec 562 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: was done because what was left over was community property, 563 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: what they left me basically, so I had to fight 564 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: for that. He made me fight for that. 565 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: That's when Don got another unexpected call from, of all people, 566 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: a new woman West had started dating. She wanted to 567 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: meet Don in person. 568 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: She ended up finding me reaching out to me because 569 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: she had suspicions about him. She told me he had 570 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: taken her to the seedy little place. Then there was 571 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: like other couples that were like rubbing her back, and 572 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: she goes and then I'd blacked out and I don't 573 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: remember the rest of the night. And she said, and 574 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: don I don't drink, not that much. She goes, I 575 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: maybe had two drinks. When she goes. I think he 576 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: probably drugged me. And I burst in the tears and 577 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I said, you just described the last year and a 578 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: half of my life, because that's what I would do. 579 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have that much to drink. But all of 580 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm coming in and out of consciousness and 581 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm seeing all this stuff around me, but you can't move. 582 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: It wasn't until that moment, when someone else described her 583 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: same experiences that Dawn realized what was really happening. The 584 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: last few times she went to the swingers club with 585 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: Wes those nights he blacked out. 586 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: When I was saying that I couldn't do it anymore, 587 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: that's when he started dragging me. 588 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: This was more than a betrayal, it was a crime. 589 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: He drugged and sexually assaulted her. She was still processing 590 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: this while in the middle of an SEC investigation where 591 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: the government could be justified and seizing everything she had. 592 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: It left her feeling overwhelmingly empty and alone. 593 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: There was times I pulled in my garage and shut 594 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: the garage door and the seatback, because I knew that 595 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: the government was about to come in and take my 596 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: home and take all of my things, and I was 597 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to tell everyone, and I was gonna have 598 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: to uproot my daughters and scare the shit out of them, 599 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: right and so I just wanted to die. I'm like, 600 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: if I could just go to sleep right now, I 601 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to deal with this. I can remember setting 602 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: the garage door and leaning that seatback and sitting there. 603 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: But I would see my daughter's little faces they were 604 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: like eight and ten, and I would turn the cars. 605 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: I'd wipe my face. I'd go in the house and 606 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: get it together. 607 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: Every day felt excruciatingly long. Don says she got through 608 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: it for her daughters, and Wes well, he'd already moved 609 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: on to see the least. 610 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: He had met a girl in Sunday school, and he 611 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: had convinced all of his family that he was innocent. 612 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: If I was guilty, i'd be in by now. I'm 613 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: going to sue the government and the sec and all 614 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: of them for falsely accusing me. I was told his 615 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: mom had like second mortgage your house. I was told 616 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: that he had gone through this poor woman's savings or whatever. 617 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: These are things, of course I was told. But what 618 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: I do know is that was starting to unravel. 619 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: He might have been telling his family that he was innocent, 620 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: but that's not what Wes told the government. He agreed 621 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: to a plea deal with the FBI. Now he was 622 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: awaiting sentencing. Finally they could move forward with their divorce. 623 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Our divorce was a trial because he was trying to 624 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: fight me for everything the government left me with. So 625 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: I had to get up on stand and testify, and 626 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: of course he pleaded the fifth to everything. 627 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: Dawn was relieved to keep the modest half of what 628 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: the government left her, but Wes still wasn't done with her. 629 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: Despite it all, he still kept reaching out to Dawn. 630 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: She didn't reply until finally he. 631 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Called me one day. He was really confused and sounded 632 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: just really out of it. I'm like, just go serve 633 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: your sentence, go do your time, And in one breath 634 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: he said, I'm not going to prison. What do you mean, 635 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm innocent? And then in the next breath, he'd say, 636 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: you know what happens to them might be in prison 637 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: on what am I going to do. 638 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 3: When I come out? 639 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: He couldn't wrap his mind around the reality that he 640 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: was going to prison considering what he'd done. Don was 641 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: losing patience for him. She knew he was reaching out 642 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: for sympathy, maybe for help processing, or maybe because he 643 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: just didn't have anyone else left. 644 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: And then he texted me one more thing, which is 645 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: what we used to say to each other that meant 646 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: to love you. We would always say one more thing. 647 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: And he texted me one more thing. And I reached 648 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: out to his first wife again, and she said, Don, 649 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: he keeps doing this, go to bed, turn your phone off. 650 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: The next morning he killed himself. He was supposed to 651 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: turn himself in that next day. He had come to 652 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: an agreement with the FBI, and he was only going 653 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: to serve like, I don't know, five to seven years. 654 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean this was twenty twelve. He'd have been way 655 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: out of prison by now. I went to the funeral 656 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: his grandmother, who I loved, and she loved me. She 657 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: came up to me and she asked me about the 658 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: house and about me selling the house. I said, you know, 659 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: you don't understand. The government took everything. The government took 660 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: that house, like I didn't sell any like I have, 661 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: I don't have anything. And she kind of looked at 662 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: me confused. 663 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: He'd been lying to everyone, including his family. He'd also 664 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: been stealing from his grandmother. 665 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: Well, he stole the money out of her account to 666 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: buy the gun to kill himself. 667 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: It's been over a decade since the end of their 668 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 2: relationship and since Wes passed away. 669 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: I try to say, I don't have any regrets. I 670 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: got a couple, I got a couple hard lessons for sure. 671 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: Dawn endured so much in this relationship. We asked what 672 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: the hardest part was for her. 673 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: What gets me the most is the betrayal to myself, 674 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: like I don't know that woman, and thank god I 675 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: don't know her anymore. I look back and how in 676 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: the world, for ten years of my life this man 677 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: was able to lie and manipulate, and I would lie 678 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: and manipulate, you know, because again we started out as 679 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: an affair. But the biggest thing is just how I 680 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: let myself get so wrapped up in that and the 681 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: things that my children had to go through. They were 682 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: eighteen months and four when I met him. That's ply 683 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: the hardest thing part of. 684 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: Don's healing process is being honest, taking accountability for her actions. 685 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: Being able to talk to other people and just speak 686 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: honest has been very healing. Like I don't hold back 687 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: the fact we were an affair. I don't hold back 688 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: the people that I've hurt. You know, there was a 689 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of people hurting this, and I was not always 690 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: the innocent person. I did a lot of hurting. 691 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: Dawn found happiness in starting a new career. 692 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be an esthetician, So now on 693 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: my own spa, that's what I'm sitting in, my little spa. 694 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: She also fell in love again, this time with a 695 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: man who was honest with her and treats her well. 696 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: In fact, while we were on our call. 697 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: Hi honey, my husband brought me flowers so sweet. 698 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, babe. 699 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: We end all of our episodes with the same question, 700 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 2: why did you want to tell your story to. 701 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: Reach other people and let them know that you know, 702 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: there's a whole network of people out here that have 703 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: been heard, but that you can go through these horrible 704 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: things and it's not over and you can rebuild. 705 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: As many times as it takes. 706 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: Just be honest with yourself, Like I like who I 707 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: am today, and I think it's because I didn't try 708 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: to hide all of those mistakes. 709 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal, I just. 710 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: Remember it was a profound moment. Who is this cruel? 711 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: Who can pull this off? Whose family pulls it off? 712 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 3: Whose friends pull it off? 713 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: What in the world? 714 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 2: How do you fabricate the details? If you would like 715 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 2: to reach out to the Betrayal team or want to 716 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: tell us your Betrayal story, email us at betrayalpod at 717 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: gmail dot com. That's Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com. 718 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: We're grateful for your support. One way to show support 719 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: is by subscribing to our show on Apple Podcasts, and 720 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: don't forget to rate and review Betrayal. 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