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Speaker 1: like to do. I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: where just a couple of weeks ago, I made a

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Speaker 1: terrible name for a movie. So we're not going back.

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Speaker 1: Never anyway, Mia, welcome to the program. Thanks, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make a non legally actionable statement,

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Speaker 1: Normally you're on another podcast, but today you're on this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Just know that my face said I hate you, Robert Evans.

426
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

427
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: but you know I don't. Oh, all right there, let's

428
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: let's let's rock on. Yes, let let us return to

429
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: the world of Bobby Fisher as a very small child,

430
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: so all right, but Bobby Fisher's mom is very concerned

431
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: about the fact that he's just sitting around playing chefs

432
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: all the time. But it doesn't have anyone to play

433
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: chess with. So she she emails a chess guy at

434
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: like the local newspaper and it's like, hey, can you

435
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: find someone for my like seven year old child to

436
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: play with? And for for for reasons I do not understand,

437
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: this guy is like, yeah, here go go go play

438
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: at this simultaneous exhibition that this like chess master is

439
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: going to be holding. So yeah, chess masters do these

440
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: things where they're called simul's where you know, like we

441
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: talked about natural during one of these, right, normally they're

442
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: not blindfolded. But it's a guy shows up and like

443
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: you show up in like thirty of you just get

444
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: destroyed by this guy. So the news spreditor is like, okay, okay,

445
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: send send, send Bobby Fisher to play against like this

446
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: incredibly strong American player. And the result of this is

447
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: that seven year Oldobby Fisher just gets absolutely annihilated and

448
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: then starts crying because he's a seven year old and

449
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: he's just like gotten destroyed in public and this is

450
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: this is an interesting sort of event of Bobby's life

451
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: because people make a lot out of this, like when

452
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: when you like, this is a critical moment, and like

453
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: it probably kind of is, but also like, I don't know,

454
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: he's a seven year old. It turns out when when

455
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: when when this happens to a seven year old, they

456
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: cry because there's seven. I mean, it's still toughen up

457
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. Come on, he's I don't people expect

458
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: really weird, Like people keep asking, like people like throughout

459
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: the entire lif people would ask Bobby Fisher about the

460
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: games that he played when he was seven, and they're like,

461
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: do you remember these games? It's like this man is seven,

462
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: Like come on, why why? Why? What? Why do you

463
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: the chess writer expect this guy to remember for a

464
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: game that he played at age seven. I don't know.

465
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I've just been sort of continuously baffled

466
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: by chess writers as I've been. I mean, chess writer

467
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: does kind of presuppose a few things about a person.

468
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not surprised that someone who would pick

469
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: that as a living would want, like question somebody in

470
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: depth about a series of games they played when they

471
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: were too young to be fully conscious of the world.

472
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. If someone were to interview

473
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: me about being seven, I would I could probably I

474
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: have moderately strong memories of hurting a bunch of cows

475
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: with a broomstick um in my fucking back forty but

476
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: but that's about it. Um. I remember the time my

477
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: dog got skunked and then ran into the house and

478
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: skunked the entire house. And I remember getting not the

479
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: big lego pirate ship, but I had a good report card,

480
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: and my mom got me the small lego pirate ship,

481
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and that was the best day of my childhood. You know.

482
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: It was fucking dopes pirate ship. Everybody, I look so

483
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: so someone should have got Bobby Fisher this thing, so

484
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: he didn't turn into Bobby Fisher and said had a

485
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: cool pirate ship. One lego pirate ship could have solved

486
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of problems instead. Unfortunately, what happens is that, Okay,

487
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: so there there's a there's a guy who is the

488
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: president of the Brooklyn Chess Club who like sees the

489
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: seven year old playing this game and he's like, wow,

490
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: the seven year old is actually pretty good. He's and

491
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: and he invites him to join the Brooklyn Chess Club,

492
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: which is very weird because the Brooklyn Chess Club is

493
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: like it's a very xenious organization. It's like it's like

494
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: we're like doctors and lawyers and stuff go to play

495
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: chess and they don't allow children in. But the president

496
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: is like, now i I'm making an exception for this

497
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: like seven year old. And so Bobby shows up and

498
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: nobody wants to play him because and this, this is this,

499
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: this is a sort of a thing that's I think

500
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: kind of special about over the board chess that you

501
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: don't get with very many other things, which is that

502
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: over the board chess is one of the few games

503
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: you can play when you sit down and there's a

504
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: seven year old across of you, and the seven year

505
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: old just destroys you. Yeah, I mean, war ammer actually

506
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: would be one of the others. But yeah, but they're

507
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: they're they're they're kind of rare. Now, But that the

508
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: problem is okay, So Bobby Fish, I mean, nobody wants

509
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: it would be cool, it would be it would be

510
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: cool if football worked that way, Like full contact football

511
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: throws some seven year olds on the field. Now, let's

512
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: see if they're prodigies. Put them up against these three

513
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds steroid monsters. See how it goes? Alright, kid,

514
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: after the snap, there's no more rules, I mean, you know,

515
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: I wus. So they throw Bobby Fisher into this pool

516
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: and it goes about as well as you would expect.

517
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: The baby fighting like a guy in full football ship,

518
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: which he gets run over and destroyed, like con genuously awesome.

519
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good for kids. Yeah, But unfortunately he

520
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: like just keeps doing this and so he like even

521
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: even he's progressively more and more of his time is

522
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: consumed by chess. It gets to the point where like

523
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: he has this like little chess set, and his chess

524
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: set is just like covered in crumbs and like stains

525
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: of all the food that he's eating while he's playing chess.

526
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: And this gets to a point that's like I'm gonna

527
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: read this thing from Endgame, which that Fisher biography. He

528
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: even maintained his involvement with the game while bathing. The

529
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Fishers didn't have a working shower, just a bathtub, and Bobby,

530
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: like many young children, needed to be urged to take

531
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: at least a weekly bath. Regina established a Sunday night

532
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: ritual of running a bath for him, practically carrying him

533
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: up to the tub, and once he was settled in

534
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: the water, she'd lay a door from a discarded cabinet

535
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: across the tub is a sort of tray, and then

536
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: bringing Bobby's chest set a container of milk and whatever

537
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: book he was studying at the time help him get

538
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: into position position on the board. Bobby soaked, sometimes for

539
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: hours as he became engrossed in the games of the Greats,

540
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: only emerging from the water prune like when Regina insisted

541
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: the milk of it all. Really, I don't like that. Yeah,

542
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: that's not my favorite thing that I've heard. Yeah, to

543
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: to to the too, Regina's actually, this is why we Okay,

544
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm I'm I'm I'm on shower gang.

545
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm fully shower pilled, I'm a shower cell.

546
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. I used to think a bath

547
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: was a lovely thing, and now it's been milk defied

548
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: and sounds that sounds horrifying. It sounds like it sounds

549
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: like a scene from the one of the one of

550
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: the later alien movies where one of those androids has

551
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: been wounded and they've got that like white milky blood

552
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: gooping out everywhere. Gross. Thanks for that, Mia, yep, m hm.

553
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, as you can see this is this is

554
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: a very normal child. Yeah, it sounds like a great childhood. Yeah.

555
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he's just taking his milk baths. He's getting his

556
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: ass beaten by adults reading lots of weird chess books.

557
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: Sounds healthy. Yeah, so I can't see how this guy

558
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: turns out to be fast. Oh oh, don't worry. We're

559
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: we're we are literally right about to get to that.

560
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: So okay, the problem is that he just keeps getting

561
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: better at chess. But by the time he's twelve, he's

562
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like actually really good at the game, Like he's playing

563
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: real tournaments. He's beating people who are actually good at chess.

564
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: And at this point Bobby becomes involved with the extremely

565
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: wealthy chess patron e Floory Locks, who arranges for him

566
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: to go on this like chess trip around the U

567
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: s and then go to Cuba to play chess against

568
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Cuban chess players. Okay, what do we know about this guy?

569
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: Because that's that's yeah, that's oh boy. Okay, from that

570
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: does sound a little bit. That does sound a little

571
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: bit sketchy. Oh yeah. Locks frequently wore a small black

572
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: enameled the pel pin bearing a gold Nazi swastika. Amazingly,

573
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: it never seemed to attract much attention. He didn't wear

574
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: it all the time, but often enough did you wear

575
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: that once? The people should be like, man, that's it's

576
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: And it didn't seem to inhibit him when he was

577
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: in a Jewish delicatesster and to get his favorite sandwich

578
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: of pastrami on rye, or when he was talking to

579
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Jewish chess players. One player will I didn't affect him. Yeah,

580
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is like right after the Holocaust.

581
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I honestly, it shouldn't have mattered if it was before

582
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: the Holocaust, Like you shouldn't be able to you shouldn't

583
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: be able to go anyway. I think cool, he's getting worse,

584
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: so at won't point. There was a player who gets

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: embarrassed when he walks it and you know, no, no,

586
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: he walks in this restaurant. Nobody says anything about it. Okay,

587
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: here's the worst off, just about who this this guy is.

588
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: In addition to the pen, Locks off in wore weather

589
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: permitting a small brimmed alpine fedora with a feather in

590
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: the band adorned with emblom. Some countries he traveled to

591
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: absolutely not okay. She she ostentatiously dressed in later hosing

592
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: at times, and for a few years even sported to

593
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: hit Larry and mustache. When he entered tournaments dressed in

594
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: cocky shirt and fans and dirt tie and displaying that mustache,

595
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it was as if the Dopper game You're of Dear

596
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Feury had been incardinated in his home, hung Nazi flags

597
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: and prominent locations and displays of airplanes, models of Mishmitz

598
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: and junkers, as well as semis and yeah, sorry, I'm

599
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a world. Look, the German

600
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: language is a cursed Yeah. He also has just like

601
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of he's like a giant oil painting of

602
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler in his house and like a bunch

603
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: of third red memor bilios. So this guy is great.

604
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: He sounds dope. Yeah. The next line from this book

605
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: was Lax was inarguably one of the most eccentric people

606
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: in the New York chess community, which, like I guess,

607
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: eccentric is a way that you could describe this guy

608
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: walking around in the Nazi pin with the Hitler mustache

609
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: and later hosen that is that is certainly eccentric, you know.

610
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: You know, so later on in his life, right, but

611
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: by the time he's about sixty, he's on this tour

612
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: when he's like, I think, like thirteen, When he's like

613
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen, Bobby is gonna be like a very

614
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: series anti semi and you know, people are always like, well,

615
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: how did this happen? It's like, well, it might have

616
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: been the fact that he was hey, yeah, with this

617
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Nazi guy, it's impact. And also on the trip to

618
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Cuba is this guy named Norman T. Whittaker who quote

619
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: had also been in prison for car steff and for

620
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: raping a twelve year old when he was in his sixties,

621
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: he proposed marriage to a fourteen year old. So this

622
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: is a great crowd of chess players, real real luminaries

623
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: in the field. Best to the best. Yeah. Frank pretty

624
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: also notes quote Bobby sat up in front between the

625
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: fascist and the con man, which is this is this

626
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: is called foreshadowing. Sounds like Dad's doing a great job.

627
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, well no, no, this is where

628
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: your kid's gotta be Yeah, came there. Well he's dead.

629
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: He's like fucked off somewhere. Yeah, it's it's it's it's

630
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's good. No, this sounds fine. Um,

631
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear how well the rest of

632
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: this story goes. Well. The problem is he just keeps

633
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: winning a chess So at age thirteen, he wins the

634
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: U S Junior Chess Championship, which is like nuts And okay,

635
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: unfortunately I do have to talk about one game of

636
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Speaker 1: chess because there Bobby Fisher plays, I mean, he plays

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Speaker 1: a lot of famous games chess. He plays one very

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00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: famous one at age thirteen. Where okay, so this game

639
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: gets dubbed the game of the century. People talk about

640
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: it literally all the fucking time. I'm sick of it.

641
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm very angry. This game is fine. He plays like

642
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: and he's playing like a very strong international master. Um,

643
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: and you know he he does. He plays a pretty

644
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: cool game where like he likes sacrifice. He famous like

645
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: sacrifices his queen and then uses his sack queen sacrifice

646
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: to like get this attack and does all this stuff

647
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: with his knights in his rooks and everyone is like

648
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: loses exactly unbelievable. Yeah, and you know, okay, on the

649
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: one hand, like this is a pretty good game of chess.

650
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Speaker 1: On the other hand, I can open YouTube right now

651
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: and find like a thousand games of chess that are

652
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: way cooler than this that aren't the product of like

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Speaker 1: domestic operation paper clip. So, uh, this is this is

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Speaker 1: this is this is Okay, this is the extent of

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Speaker 1: which I'm going to talk about the game of the

656
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Speaker 1: century because I'm sick of people talking about it. Okay, um, yeah,

657
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: but but unfortunately I do you have to mention the

658
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: chess people will like attempt to murder me in my sleep.

659
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, chess people, you hope you're not I hope

660
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: you're now satisfied. I have briefly covered this one game. See,

661
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that at all. I feel like

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00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: I could beat the ship out of chess people in

663
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: a fight. Maybe chess books they have, I don't know,

664
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: they have suspiciously high level state contacts, which is not

665
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, you you wouldn't think that was true,

666
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: But these guys know a lot of intelligence agencies. Yeah,

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00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: well that's fair. So at age fourteen, Bobby Fisher becomes

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Speaker 1: the American chess Champion, and Robert up asking how did

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old win the US Open and become

670
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: the American chess champion? And part of it is just

671
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: that the Americans stuck at chess. Yeah that sounds right.

672
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing that's going on here is that

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00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher, you know, Okay, so like he he realizes

674
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: that Americans aren't for good at chess, and so he

675
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: learns Russian in order to read Russian chess books. And

676
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: she just keeps doing this his entire life. He just

677
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: keeps learning languages, like specifically to read chess books that

678
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: are in other languages. And so, you know, he he

679
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: starts he starts reading like he's just like reading these things.

680
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: And you know what, while while all of this is happening,

681
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Bobby Fisher starts getting investigated by the FBI. Okay, which okay,

682
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: so you don't want to get investigated by the FBI. Yeah,

683
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he is being investigated by the FBI for

684
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: like a third of his life, but somehow it's the

685
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: third of his life where he doesn't think that he's

686
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: being investigated by the FBI, which is a very very

687
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: straight So the reason is this is happening is that

688
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: the FBI thinks that his mom was working for the Soviets.

689
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: And okay, it turns out that not only was she

690
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: not working for the Soviets actually gotten kicked out of

691
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: the Communist partie. But you know, it's the FBI that

692
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: they're not going to let something as petty as you know,

693
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: reality getting way of their sort of domestic like Espiona operations.

694
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: And this gets like so serious that like they are

695
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: the FBI is infiltrating TV shows like the Cruise of

696
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: TV shows that Bobby is going on to like see

697
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: if he's a Soviet spy. Um, his mom starts drilling

698
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: him about what to say if the FBI shows up

699
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: at your door, which is apparently, I have nothing to

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00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: say to you. Yeah, that is no, I mean, that

701
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: is the thing that you say if the FBI shows

702
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: up at your door, come back with the warrant. I'm

703
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: not speaking to you without a lawyer, nothing the funk else.

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00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean actually, honestly, this is the first

705
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: time mom has given him good advice. Yeah. Well, like,

706
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, I feel really bad for her because it's

707
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like she she well she she also She's also the

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00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: only person about your fish's life who ever attempts to

709
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: stop him from playing chess. But she does just by

710
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: going to like chess psychiatrists and being like, is he

711
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: addicted to chess? But they're all chess psychiatrists and like, no,

712
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: you're going to get good information from a chess psychiatrist.

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00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: So okay. Later on in life, the bally Fisher is

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00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: gonna get absolutely obsessed with the idea that he's being

715
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: spied on and people like coming to kill him. And

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00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: on the one hand, this is just like his own

717
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: sort of like the sent to the conspiracy conspiracy theories,

718
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: but on the other hand, like it's hard to argue

719
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: about the fact of the U. S Government was in

720
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: fact spying on him for a bunch of his life,

721
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: like did not play a role in this, I mean,

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00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: given the period of time that this is. If you

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00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: are someone who is even moderately prominent in the thing

724
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: that might put you in contact with people outside of

725
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: the United States, you're being spied on by the US government. Okay.

726
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: So on one of the big things happens is uh

727
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: bbbly Fisher is trying to go to the USSR to

728
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: play against the Russian chess players, and you know, so

729
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: the Americans hate this, but okay, so what the larger

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00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: backstory here is because Bally Fisher is now the US

731
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: chess champion. He got in fightedto this like tournament in Yugoslavia,

732
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and if you place high enough in this tournament, you

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Speaker 1: get a chance to be in another turn him and

734
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: that and if you and if you win that tournament,

735
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: you can become the world You can play the guy,

736
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: you can play the world taken and become the world champions.

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00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: So he goes to this thing, right, and while he's

738
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: in yugoslav he has to go to US all way.

739
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: But he's like, okay, I'm gonna go to the Soviet

740
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Union because it's like close. And the Soviets are like, sure, fifteen,

741
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: you have Bobby Fisher, like you you can come be

742
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: a guest in our country because you're good at chess.

743
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: So Fisher shows up to the USSR and like he

744
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: like steps off the plane and just immediately starts demanding

745
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: that the Soviets like bring out their best chess players

746
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: to play him. The Soviets are like, really, dude, like

747
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: we brought you here as a guest and you are

748
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: yelling at us to bring out your best chess players.

749
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Speaker 1: So eventually they bring out a guy named Petrosyan, who

750
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: is like, this guy is four years out from becoming

751
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: the world champion, Like he's a good he's like good

752
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: at chess, but Fisher's piste off because he's not the

753
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: current world champion. And then immediately Fisher starts asking how

754
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: much he's gonna get paid for playing petrosy In, and

755
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: patrosy is like, what the funk are you talking? What

756
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You came like money? Oh day,

757
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: they have money. It's it becomes clear very quickly in

758
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: this story. They do in fact e body. But he's like,

759
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: He's like what what what do you mean? Like you

760
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: came to stay as a guest here, and now you

761
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: were demanding to get paid money for playing us, Like

762
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: what's happening here? And you know, And Fisher just gets

763
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: progressively more and more mad as this goes on, because

764
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: he wants to play like like like actual like tournament

765
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: games and they're just playing like speed chess, and he

766
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: just gets like progressively angrier and Okay, So there is

767
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: a very important event in the life of all the

768
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Fisher that happens next, and there's there's a lot of

769
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: disputes over what exactly happens. Um. The claim at the

770
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: time was that Fisher like standing right next to his

771
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: like English, like his English translator starts yelling about like,

772
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: quote these Russian pigs. Um. This is the way that

773
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I've seen it reported in a lot of the sort

774
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: of books and articles about him. Um, this is what

775
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: gets reported to the Russian press. Frank Brady, who who's

776
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Fisher's biographer, claims that Fisher actually said pork and was

777
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: complaining about his food, but the translator got the confused

778
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: the word for pork and pig. But whatever happens, like

779
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: this turns into sort of like a firestorm, right because

780
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, this American kid came here and then starts

781
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: screaming about Russian pigs, and the Soviets are like, okay,

782
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: you like can't stay here now and okay. So so

783
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: that this means a Bobby, Bobby still has time before

784
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: this tournament. He's like, okay, where am I gonna go?

785
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: And then from left field, by god, is that Tito's music?

786
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh ship is he coming in with a

787
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: steel chair? He is? He is about to beat the

788
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: ship out of who was who was empowered with the

789
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Union at this point, I probably Krushchev. He's about he's

790
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: about hit trush chair from the high wire with a

791
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: steale chair. God man, I just every time Tito comes

792
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: into a story, you know things that are about to

793
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: get fun. But you know what else makes things fun?

794
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Is it the services that support this podcast? And that's

795
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: your goddamn right. There's nothing besides buying products and services

796
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: that makes anyone happy. Um. And that's the truth. That's science,

797
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: that's mathematics, and we're back, all right, Please continue, Maya.

798
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: So Bobby is about is getting kicked out, so you

799
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: diot Yugoslavia, who is like the great socialist enemy of

800
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: the USSR, swoops in. It's like, hey Bobby Fisher, Yeah,

801
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: come here play our grand masters. It will be great.

802
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: And you know Fisher Fisher is like incredibly happy about this.

803
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: And I just gotta say this man, Tito, old buddy,

804
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: this man is going to do things to your country that,

805
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: if you found them out, would cause all of your

806
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: organs to explode simultaneously. Like you should have left him

807
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: to the Soviets. But unfortunately, Tito, Tito, Tito offers hospitality

808
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: to this this terrifying American man. And you know that

809
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: the product of this is that Fisher like goes to

810
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Ugos of you and loves it there and for like

811
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: the rest of his life he's going to well, okay

812
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: and this and this is where we need to be

813
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of careful. He's going to like, he's going to

814
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: like Belgrade a lot specifically. Yeah, this has becoming to

815
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: become important later. Y Belgrades dope city. Love it. Yeah.

816
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: If you want to get a pile of perfectly cooked,

817
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: processed meat walked to you by a waiter who was

818
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: actively smoking a cigarette over the plate and enjoy the

819
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: entire experience, Belgrade is the city for you. Um, I

820
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: mean that ironically great town. Love it. Yeah, Fisure, I

821
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: don't know, he he he and he just enjoys that

822
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot and other stuff that he's doing their question work.

823
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit. Um. Okay. So

824
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: he's playing this tournament, right and everyone expects him to

825
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: just sort of bomb out because he's like fifteen. But

826
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: instead what he does he draws like a bunch of

827
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: the best players in the world, and you know, he

828
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: beats He beat some people. He draws like three of

829
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: the best Soviet players and somehow, you know, this like

830
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid from the from like the just

831
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: just the absolute provincial backwater United States, uh like, qualifies

832
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: for the champions Sernament and simultaneously becomes the youngest grand

833
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: master in history. And at this point that everyone starts

834
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: to lose their minds for Bobby Fisher. Like all over

835
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the American chess scene, everyone suddenly talking about, like, oh

836
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: my god, there's this kid who could beat the Soviets

837
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: at chess. Like he gets he gets a full editorial

838
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: in the New York Times. Um, suddenly there's just like

839
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: there's like the great White hope against the Soviet chess machine.

840
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: And you know, every like from this point on, like

841
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: everything that he does just becomes like in layered and

842
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: like levels and layers and layers and layers and layers

843
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: of propaganda because the US had finally done the thing

844
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: that it always does when it used to fight communism.

845
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: They had found their own Nazi. So it's even at

846
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: like this age, Bobby is very very anti Semitic. Um,

847
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: he's better at hiding it than he's going to be

848
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: later on, but he is doing stuff like, for example,

849
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia Judica, I like put him in on their

850
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: list of like famous Jewish people because his parents are Jewish.

851
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: And he writes them a letter saying he is not

852
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: Jewish and they need to take him off his list,

853
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: and then he starts doing something he's gonna do for

854
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: the entire rest of his life, which is threatened to

855
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: whip out his dick to show that he's not circumcised

856
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: and thus not Jewish, which is like, I can't argue

857
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: with that. Perfect there, I don't know, I I have

858
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: nothing on this. It is a very, very weird kind

859
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: of anti Semitism, and I need everyone like, Okay, when

860
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: whenever you think of body Fisher, you need to understand

861
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: that he is, at old times two steps away from

862
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: just whipping out of his dick to prove how not

863
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: Jewish he is. Like he he's gonna like, there's gonna

864
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: being racism into the proud tradition of whipping out your

865
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: dick at a at a chess tournament. That's that's heartbreaking. Yeah,

866
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: it's he's I don't know, it's it's it's he's he

867
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: is a wildly weird anti semetic person. That there's there's

868
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: another story of a sort of early an early anti Semitism.

869
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty two he's doing this interview. He's

870
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: I think, how does he like eighteen or nineteen at

871
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: this point? Uh. There there's Harper's Magazine interview where I

872
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: he says, quote, yeah, there are too many Jews in chess.

873
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: They have taken away the class of the game. They

874
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: don't dress too nicely. That's what I don't like. And

875
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone here, like, Okay, Bobby Fisher

876
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: is about to become like the like literally the symbol

877
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: of American chess, right, and you know, like a genuine

878
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: sort of geopolitical and moral hero of the US. And

879
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: this was just in Harper's magazine. Like he just said

880
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: that he's and that and that's and this isn't like

881
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: it's not like he's saying this to like, I don't know,

882
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: like a tiny village paper in like rural Idaho or

883
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: something like, like the journalists actually read this, right, But

884
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, there is something that's gonna happen time and

885
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: time beginning the stories. It like the press. It's just

886
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: like they'll they'll see him say something like like this,

887
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna see some pretty good chess, and

888
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: they're just instantly gonna forget about it, and everyone's gonna

889
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: go back to comparing him to like Mozart and like

890
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Picasso and immediately forget what he thinks about the Holocaust. Yeah,

891
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: he's a literal Nazi, but he's good at chess, so

892
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: who can say if it's bad? Yeah? Yeah, so okay,

893
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: but back in being good at chess for a little bit.

894
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: Um Fisher qualifies for the Candidates Tournament, which is is

895
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: a tournament where like, if you win it, you get

896
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: the Red Challenge, the World Championship, and like almost immediately

897
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: after he gets there, he makes history of becoming the

898
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: first grand master ever to get into a fist fight

899
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: with another grand master at a chess tournament. Okay, now

900
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: that's dope. That's that. That's good. That's like, that's like

901
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler and fucking happy Gilmore. Yeah so alright, so

902
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: I I respect that. Look, he's a Nazi, but that's

903
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yeah, and then he does he does another

904
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: there's another very famous Bobby Fishing thing that happens here.

905
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this a endgame. Henry Stockhold, the

906
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: chess player who was covering the match for the Associated Press,

907
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: brought Bobby to a broth of one night and waited

908
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: for him. When Bobby exited an hour later, Stockholm asked

909
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: him how he enjoyed it, and Bobby's comment, which he

910
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: repeated other times, has been quoted, chess is better. Huh.

911
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: So this is a this is a a incredibly weird,

912
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: weird dude. Um. Unfortunately for Bobby, he just gets like

913
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: destroyed in this tournament, and this leads to basically what

914
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: what becomes the Bobby Fisher Chess Special. Uh. He immediately

915
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: starts dreaming about how the entire tournament was rigged, and

916
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: this is like enough that he gets an entire like

917
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: giant I think it was like a front cover piece

918
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: in Sports Illustrated called the Russians have fixed World Chess.

919
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: And okay, so this is kind of true. Um, what

920
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: was happening at these tournaments that the Soviets would play

921
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: these like fast draws against each other so that they

922
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: could like preserve their energy from they had to play

923
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: non Soviet players. But also there there's a bunch of

924
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: there's like there's endless analysis of this that's done and

925
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: by like people then and people now and basically what

926
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: they concluded was like, Okay, so the Soviets win every tournament,

927
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: but the Soviets win every tournament because they have more

928
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: good chess players than anyone else. Does I mean, yeah,

929
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: that that makes sense. Yeah, but Bobby, Bobby is convinced

930
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: it because they're just like cheaters and he this, he

931
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: this just like he gets really really angry at this,

932
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he's already embissing this grudge from the

933
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: Soviets like kicked him out, and so at this point

934
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: he basically just like swears a turnover revenge on the

935
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Soviet Union to the point where he refuses to play

936
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: any tournaments that the International Chess Federation puts on because

937
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: he's like the International Chess Federation is like a tool

938
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: of the Soviets. And I mean, here, man, yeah, well okay,

939
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: so this this is you know, as much as I've

940
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: been saying, this is where he starts to get really weird. Um.

941
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: So there's just like she's like, I guess it's like

942
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: that's like a little fucky what they were doing, but

943
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: that's not really it's not really right, Like if you're

944
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: playing them, you're still just playing a game of chess.

945
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: Like they haven't taken chess steroids. They're not They're not

946
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: hiding an extra queen up their sleeves. They're just like

947
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of coming in a little fresher than you because

948
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: they sucked around slightly. But I don't know, cheating seems

949
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: like a weird way to phrase that. Yeah, and she

950
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: just gets he gets just utterly like he like on

951
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: his like deathbed, he is going to be yelling about

952
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: how the Soviets cheated him and like stuff like that,

953
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: and you know, okay, And partially she just gets like

954
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, he she turns into a kind of guy

955
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: that is partly very recognizable and partly not so. He's

956
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: two favorite books in this period are ninety four and

957
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Animal Form. This is a you know, these are going great. Um,

958
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess he didn't read a lot of other

959
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: or well, no, it's amazingly that those are like the

960
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: two most normal things he's going to read from Hugh

961
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: right out. He also like he starts listening to my My,

962
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: My ancient enemy, the evangelical preacher Billy Graham. Oh no,

963
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: and then he discovers a man named Herbert w Armstrong's

964
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: radio Church of God. Oh no. No, not Armstrong. Oh

965
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: we should talk about Armstrong a little bit. Armstrong is

966
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: he's cut from the same cloth. We've mentioned him once

967
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: or twice on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like

968
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: he's like, I mean he said that, he's like, Okay,

969
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: he's I think he's technically Christian, but he's definitely technically Christian.

970
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's that he's not a Trinitarian. And

971
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: at that point I I started I started looking at

972
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: you real closely. When you deny the Trinity as to

973
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: whether or not you are actually a Christian. This is

974
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: this is the line that I he was someone who

975
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: was not Christian and imposed on Christianity. See see how

976
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: they like imperialism this once he's have no opinion on that.

977
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: But Armstrong is like a weird, real weirdo. He's like

978
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: a he's a British Israelite, which is just like, yeah,

979
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's yeah, he's he's These are the folks

980
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: who believe that like British people are the real Jews,

981
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: and Jews aren't real, like the actual Jewish people are

982
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: not actual Jewish people, which you know, there's there's a

983
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: bunch of weird like it. This kind of feeds into

984
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the creativity movement and oh good, yeah, yeah, you know,

985
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: so what what there There's a lot of things that

986
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: he like it gets involved with um Fisher. Fisher like, well,

987
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't quite joined the church because there are some

988
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: like prescriptions on stuff that the church has rules about,

989
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to date and inside the church,

990
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: and Fishers like this is stupid, So he doesn't technically

991
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: joined the church, but he's like classifying, yeah, but also

992
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: picks up something that like he picks up Basically, these

993
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: guys are also sort of like I don't know if

994
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: proto is rusher, but they're basically like like Christian science people,

995
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: so they like don't believe in doctors and they don't

996
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: believe vaccinations, and Fisher like picks this up. He like

997
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: is really hardcore on this don't go to doctor's thing.

998
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: And he also starts tiping the church ten percent of

999
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: his income. And the other thing he starts doing around

1000
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: this period is he starts carrying around this blue cardboard

1001
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: box everywhere that he goes, and he would just refuse

1002
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: to open everyone when I like he's he's just walking

1003
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: about carrying his blue carbrot box. Everyone's like, okay, Fisher

1004
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: like what what what is this blue carbet box? And

1005
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: he just gets really mad when anyone asked him. And

1006
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: one time he finally like relented to the pressure and

1007
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: opened it, and inside of the box was the Bible, which,

1008
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this is something that like a

1009
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: youth pastor with the story like a youth pastor would tell.

1010
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: That's like one of those like this child's bab there, buddy. Yeah,

1011
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: so he gets very weird. Um uh so okay, So

1012
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: this goes on for like a couple He has a

1013
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: couple of years of being wrapped in his like I'm

1014
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: not gonna play for feed a, I'm not gonna He

1015
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: plays like very little chess. But eventually Fee is able

1016
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: to sort of like entice him back to like play

1017
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: chess again by like changing the format of the World's

1018
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: tournament so like people couldn't the candidates tournaments, people can't collude.

1019
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: And so WII Fisher like goes into this tournament and

1020
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: he just trivially easily destroys like three Soviet grandmasters, and

1021
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: he you know, he's very very quickly and incredibly decisively.

1022
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: He just annihilates them. And this means that he has

1023
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: the right the challenge the world champion for Spassky, who

1024
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: at this point Spasky is like one of the few

1025
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: people on earth that Fisher has never beaten. But you know,

1026
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: this is a sensation in the US suddenly, like you

1027
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: know what, back back back back when you like qualified

1028
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: for the candidate term like chest, like there was some

1029
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: carbage of it and like chess people talking now like

1030
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: everyone knows who Bobby Fisher is, like any entire country

1031
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: that this is this is like everyone and something everyone's

1032
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: in the chest too, Like it's on the front page

1033
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: in New York Times every when people briefly cared about

1034
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: hockey because because of that team fought the Soviets. Yeah yeah,

1035
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: and like this this is this is this is basically

1036
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: the seventies version of like the Hans the Magnus Carlson

1037
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: Hans Neilman like cheating butt plug thing, and it sparks

1038
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: like until basically literally this month probably like the greatest

1039
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: chess boom America has ever seen. And you know, okay,

1040
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: so this this is like nobody really cares about chess.

1041
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: What was actually happening here? This is you know, this

1042
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: is like this is basically American nationalisment sort of anti communism,

1043
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: and Fisher is seen by everyone, like including himself, as

1044
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: as a Cold warrior, a term that people took like

1045
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: incredibly seriously at this time, and now it sounds like

1046
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: the tag off for like a rip off Mortal Kombat character. Yep,

1047
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: And you know, okay, Like the stated reason for this

1048
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: is that, like chess is like a big deal to

1049
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: the Soviets, is ideologically important, like Lenin like played chess

1050
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: and wanted everyone to play chess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like yeah.

1051
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: This is the thing you have to understand about the

1052
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: Club Bar is every single person on the face of

1053
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: the earth is completely insane during this entire period, right,

1054
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: this match has literally no effect on the Cold War nothing.

1055
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: It does nothing, and there was never a chance it

1056
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: could even conceivably have done anything. And I want to

1057
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: want to keep this in mind as we tell as

1058
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: I tell the story of this World Championship, because by

1059
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: the end of the story, the President of the United

1060
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: States is going to be personally involved in getting Bouny

1061
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: Fisher to play this game like this is this is

1062
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: a game of chess. They're just playing chess. This is

1063
00:56:53,960 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: everyone is completely deranged. So okay, on on not nothing,

1064
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: although we've prefaced this with the fact that like, nobody,

1065
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: nobody involved with this is even remotely saying um. Bubby

1066
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: Fisher is like, okay, he's headed into his like World

1067
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: championship match with Boris Spatsky. They're gonna play a bunch

1068
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: of games. One of them is gonna win. Um. There's

1069
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: a huge fight about the location that frankly doesn't matter

1070
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: that they settle on Iceland and this tournament, you know

1071
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be a huge deal. It has

1072
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: the largest prize pool of all time for a chess match,

1073
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: and Bobby Fisher takes a look at the most money

1074
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: a chess player has ever received for playing chess and

1075
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: is like, no, I want a bigger cut of the

1076
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: ticket sales. And they're like, Bobby, like if if you,

1077
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: if you take money from the ticket sales, like we're

1078
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna lose money on this, and he's like, I don't care.

1079
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I literally will not play unless you give me money

1080
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: from the ticket sales. And they think he's bluffing, but

1081
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: he's not bluffing. He cancels his flight from New York

1082
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: to Icelands because they won't like pay him more, and

1083
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: This is also very funny because the head of Days

1084
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: at Chess Federation, who's like the guy who's been organizing

1085
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: this whole thing is a very hard core anti communist, right,

1086
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: and he's you're trying to use this whole matches anti

1087
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: commist propaganda. But you know, you get what you pay for, buddy, Like, yeah,

1088
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: you want to do anti caap and anti communist propaganda,

1089
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: have fun dealing with like this absolute capitalist asshole who

1090
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: just keeps extorting you literally every five seconds. And okay,

1091
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: so this this, this, this, this, this sort of saga

1092
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: a Fisher Fisher like refusing to show up to Iceland

1093
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: continues until a chess journalist calls this British investment banker

1094
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: named Derek Slayter who puts like nine hundred thousand dollars

1095
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: in today's money into the price pool in order to

1096
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: get Fisher to play. And Fisher is still liking Yeah,

1097
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: And at this point, Henry fucking Kissinger makes a personal

1098
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: call to Bubby Fisher and says, you have to play

1099
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: this game for America. The United States of America requires

1100
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: you you played this chess game. And this finally infences

1101
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Bobby to play. Now, the other thing that's that's

1102
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: very weird about this is okay, So this is like

1103
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: this is like you know, high Cold war drama, right.

1104
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: So you would expect that Fisher's opponent, who has Boris

1105
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: Spassky like that, the darling of the Soviet chess machine.

1106
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: You would expect him to be a communist. But no,

1107
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: he's a czarist. Oh no, here's a quote from Spasky.

1108
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: As for my views, I'm a Russian nationalist and there's

1109
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: nothing scary about that. Don't be afraid. Some say that

1110
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: Russian nationalist is a nasty thing, most definitely an anti

1111
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: semit to racist and national Boshelvik. No, for a nationalist

1112
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: God exists and that and nations that respect each other.

1113
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm a convinced monarchist. I remained a monarchistory in the

1114
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Soviet years and never tried to hide that. I believe

1115
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: the greatness of Russia's connected to the activity of the

1116
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: national leaders represented by our czars. Uh. Okay, you know,

1117
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: I talked about this a bit earlier, but like this

1118
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: was the moment where I I finally just became convinced

1119
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: that I spent like a bunch of time trying to

1120
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: find like a super grand master who has like normal

1121
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: ish politics. And the thing that I realized, Yeah, there's

1122
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: something about just spending all your time playing trust to

1123
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: drives you completely bad. Like all of these people have

1124
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: the most nonsense politics I've ever seen. Like it's like

1125
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: looking through a poll board and you just find you

1126
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: find ideologies are like how are you as czarist in

1127
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three? What? What what is happening here?

1128
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean there are still czarists today, Like there's there's

1129
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: many many monarchists on Twitter at least that you can find.

1130
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: And if you if you go to YouTube and you

1131
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: look up like Russian imperial anthems and stuff from the area,

1132
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: you will find people being like for the days of

1133
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: Nikolaia the Second um. So, I don't know, I'm not so.

1134
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm also not surprised that a chess guy in specific

1135
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: would be a monarchist. It is low key a monarchist,

1136
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: is true. But but the thing that's word about this, right,

1137
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: it's like all of the sort of like all of

1138
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: the like every every single like major communists. I don't

1139
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: know if actually talent did, but like every like major

1140
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: communist person like Cheeto plays chess, Lenin plays chess. Che

1141
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: Guevara at one point, like helps Fisher play a tournament

1142
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: in Cuba, Like everyone plays chess, and then all of

1143
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: their chess players are like weird fascists and none of

1144
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: them are communists. It's it's, oh God, I don't know,

1145
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: I'll never understand chess, so I I but but clearly,

1146
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: if you like chess a lot, you're problematic. So I

1147
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: think we can say that for certain. It's true. This,

1148
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: this is this is how I get canceled. So all right,

1149
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: this I'm just gonna read a quote about end notes

1150
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: about what from Endgame, about what Bobby Fisher does when

1151
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: he like finally shows up in Iceland after getting personally

1152
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: called by Henry Kissinger several hours later. Coming home from

1153
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: bowling in the early hours in the morning, before returning

1154
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: to the hotel, Bobby sneaked into the playing hall to

1155
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: check out the conditions. After an a minute expection, he

1156
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: had a number of complaints. He thought the lighting should

1157
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: be brighter, the pieces of the chess set were too

1158
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: small for the squares of the custom built board. The

1159
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: board itself was not quite right. It was made of stone,

1160
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: and he thought wood would be preferable. Finally, he thought

1161
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: that the two cameras hidden inside burlap covered towers might

1162
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: be distracting when he began to play, and the towers

1163
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: themselves looming over the stage like medieval battering rounds were disconcerting.

1164
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: So he's showing up at like four in the morning

1165
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: and he walks into the hall and he just starts

1166
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: bitching about all like the chess pieces are the wrong size,

1167
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: and so okay, the Torenament organizers are like, whatever, we

1168
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: need this game to happen, and they're they're during they're

1169
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: just destrove his match to happen, and you know, okay,

1170
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,479
Speaker 1: So chess starts to be played. But in the words

1171
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: of John Boys, who cares about that, midway through game one,

1172
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: Bubby Fisher starts complaining that one of the cameras in

1173
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: the back is distracting, so that the game like adjourns

1174
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: for the day. There's a there's a thing that created

1175
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: were like you played four He moves and then everyone

1176
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: leaves and goes home, and you come back and finish

1177
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: the game the next day. So Fisher comes in, he

1178
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: plays one move and then he stands up on live TV,

1179
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: walks to the backstage, and spends thirty five minutes of

1180
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: his own game time with his clock taking down, screaming

1181
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: at the organizers to take down the camera and okay.

1182
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: They eventually give in. But the next day, the game

1183
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: is supposed to start and Fisher is nowhere to be seen.

1184
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: Fish Fisher's team shows up his you know, his team

1185
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: is sort of like lawyers and like advised. They show

1186
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: up and they tell them that Bobby Fisher will not

1187
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: play unless all cameras are removed from the venue. Oh

1188
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: my god, Bobby, Jesus, what a fucking frame, Madonna, it

1189
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: gets it. This is this is, this is we we are.

1190
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: We are like baby in the early mid game of

1191
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Bobby of Bobby doing this ship in this tournament. Um, okay.

1192
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: So he then refuses to even show up to the

1193
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: hall to see if the accommodations organizers were like, okay,

1194
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: well we'll move cameras, and he like he won't even

1195
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: show up to like check if they're fine. So, you know,

1196
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: he just he's not there. So that the game starts,

1197
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: right especially is like okay, I'm going to start the

1198
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: game clock and Fisher is just still in his bed,

1199
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: like in his underwear in his hotel. And eventually the

1200
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: organizers are like, okay, fine, for one game, we will

1201
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: remove all the cameras, and Fisher goes, I'm not gonna

1202
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: show up unless you give me back all of the

1203
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: time on my chest clock that I spent yelling, like

1204
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: arguing with you about removing these cameras. And the organizers

1205
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: finally are like, come on, man, like that that there

1206
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: has to be a line, like you can't just not

1207
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: show up to your match and then demand we give

1208
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: you all of your time back because you were arguing

1209
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: with us. So and they everyone at every point in

1210
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: the story like expects Fisher is gonna compromise. He just doesn't.

1211
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: He just does not show up for this game. Okay, yeah,

1212
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: so so we're we're not We're not on day four, right,

1213
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: and the organizers are like Fish. Fisher is like, no,

1214
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: we I we need to wipe this game from the record.

1215
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: I didn't lose this game. You have to like forget

1216
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: that I didn't show up. And they're like, come on, like,

1217
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: you didn't show up to this game, And so Fisher

1218
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: books a flight home to the US. So it is

1219
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: now day four of the World Chess Championship. Fisher is

1220
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: still refusing to play the New York Times on its

1221
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: front page publishes an article begging him to play, like

1222
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: that's sad. Yeah, she gets a second call New York Times.

1223
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: Don't fucking simp for a fascist impossible challenge. Every Kisses

1224
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: calls him again Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon personally invites him

1225
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: to the White House. And that is the least the

1226
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: least surprising part of this story. Also the fact that

1227
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger would negotiate back. Yeah, it's and you know, okay,

1228
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: we we we could reasonably ask yourselves at this point,

1229
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: why is the Secretary of States and the President of

1230
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: the United States getting involved to make sure some like

1231
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: random massi Antis plays chess game? And the answer is that, like,

1232
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: insofar as this game is is important anyway, it's because

1233
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's about like symbols and sort of myths

1234
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: and spat Sky is like the representative of like the

1235
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: bureaucratic like Terra rapp Artus of the Soviet Union because

1236
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: being challenged, but like this like lone individual man manic

1237
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: genius of the free world. But like, okay, if you

1238
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: think you can take about two seconds to think about

1239
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: what the US is doing while this is going on, right, Okay,

1240
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: Like what what what is Kissinger doing? And the answer

1241
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: is using one of the like literally one of history's largest,

1242
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: most most like bureaucratic organizations to delivery munitions from Tennessee

1243
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: to Tokyo in order to burn children alive in Vietnam

1244
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: and Cambodia to you know, prop up an incredibly corrupt

1245
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: and tyrannical narco dictatorship. So you know, in some sense, right,

1246
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: Fisher is is like he's something. He is kind of

1247
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: someone the Americans need, right, He's he's someone that, like

1248
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: someone like Kissinger or someone like Nixon, deeds to be

1249
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: the sort of like individualist hero to match the Soviets

1250
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: collective hero, because otherwise everyone's gonna start questions about start

1251
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: like asking questions about the fact that like we also

1252
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: have our own terror bureaucracy. It's like murdering everyone in

1253
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: the street. But like, no, hey, look it's Bobby Fisher.

1254
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna like wave this like like shiny trinket in

1255
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: front of you and be like he is all of us.

1256
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, like okay, like the great American collective

1257
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: hero is sitting in his underwear refusing to play, like

1258
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: refusing to play chess because there's cameras in the room,

1259
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: and and even after all of this, Fisher is still

1260
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: refusing to play. And what eventually convinces him is that,

1261
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: like Boris Spatsky, who by all rights at this point

1262
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: could simply have gone, I beat him, he refused to

1263
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: play me again, I'm going home just like fine, I

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Speaker 1: will look like I will go talk to him, will

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01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: play a game like backstage where there's no cameras, and Fisher,

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Speaker 1: like finally having gotten literally everything that he wants out

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Speaker 1: of this temper trans ram like wait until ninety minutes

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Speaker 1: before the match is going to start, and finally angreased

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Speaker 1: to play. So the mass starts again, Fisher makes one move,

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Speaker 1: jumps out of his seat and starts screaming at the

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Speaker 1: organizers that there's a camera again. And at this point, Spassky,

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Speaker 1: who is like he has been putting up with Fisher's

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: bullshit for like months now, just like just snaps and

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Speaker 1: just like walks out of the room, and this one

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: referee has to convince both Spassky and Fisher that they

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01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: should actually play this game. And eventually, this guy who

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Speaker 1: like absolutely should have had Kissinger's job because he's apparently

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: just a miracle worker like manages to convince bothon to

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Speaker 1: play the game, and at this point, like the game

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Speaker 1: after like a litany of bullshit, two calls from the

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State, uh like, cash infusions from British bankers,

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: that the thing like finally gets going. And meanwhile in

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: the US, like this is such a big deal. It's

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01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: a good thing. There's no other problems happening in the

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: world at this these people focusing on like this was

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Speaker 1: the number one thing happening at the time. Yeah, well, okay, here,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get something about that. So so PBS puts

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Speaker 1: together a special program specifically just to broadcast these games.

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Speaker 1: This is watched by over a million people. Um, here's

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Speaker 1: from endgame. So popular was to show that it crowded

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Speaker 1: out the baseball and tennis coverage normally seen in sports

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01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: bars in New York, and when the channel was covering

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention in Washington, the stations were flooded

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Speaker 1: with thousands of calls to have them put the chess

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,919
Speaker 1: match back on. Station officials gave into the viewers demands,

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Speaker 1: dropped the convention and went back to broadcasting the match.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, so okay, people love chess Badia. But like

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Speaker 1: back in the match, like nothing interesting happens, is not

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Speaker 1: a very good match. Both of them are playing kind

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: of badly. Fisher wins, and then he shows up to

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Speaker 1: his metal ceremony and then in order to complain that

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: there's not his name isn't engraved on the metal, and

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: that it is that that is that is Fisher winning

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: the Chess World Championship. You know he at this point,

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01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, Fish Fisher is an American hero, right, like

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: all the stuff. He has a profoundly American figure, and

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: he comes back that is undeniable. He sounds extremely American.

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Speaker 1: It's it's amazing. So okay. So he comes back to

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: the US and he gets like he has a just

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: infinite number of sponsorship deals and like branding stuff, and

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01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: everyone wants talked to him, and she just turns them

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Speaker 1: all down. Um, here's here, here's here's one last thing

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Speaker 1: for mend game. The most fabulous offer came to Fisher

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four, right after the Muhammad Ali George

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Speaker 1: Foreman fight known as the Rumble and the Jungle in Zaire.

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Speaker 1: The Ziari Government's offered Fisher five million dollars. I think

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Speaker 1: it's like, that's like forty million dollars or something in

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: modern money to play Anatoly Karpov in their country and

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01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: what would have been a month long championship chess match

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: too short, said Bobby. How dare they offered me five

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: million dollars for a month long match? This is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is thirty million dollars in today's money. Alive received

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: twice much for one night. He didn't Mohammed Ali not

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01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: a ten million dollars, but also Mohammed Ali's the sport

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Speaker 1: that he played involved him destroying his brain by getting

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Speaker 1: his skull smash. So yeah, I understand why he might

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Speaker 1: get more money. Yeah, get get Get this fucking next line.

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Speaker 1: It was after that match that Ali became began calling

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Speaker 1: himself the greatest, and Bobby took issue with that too.

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Speaker 1: Alie stole it from me, said Bobby. I used the

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Speaker 1: greatest for myself on television before he ever used it. Okay, okay, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to copyright the term the greatest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you don't get complained that Mohammed Ali. No, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think we should do a hybrid

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: chess boxing match between Ali murdered him. It would have

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: been a missing he would have that man would have

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: died in the ring. It would have been would have

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01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: been very funny. Unfortunately, chess boxing will not become a

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01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: popular thing until two months ago. So rest yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And this is this is where we're gonna leave Fisher

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Speaker 1: here for today, at the absolute peak of his fame

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: and yell yelling at Muhammad a leave for calling himself

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Speaker 1: the greatest because he did it first. I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree chess was a mistake. Yeah, yeah, um miya,

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: you wanna plug your plug doublets before we we write out. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I I do a show called it Could Happen here

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Speaker 1: that Robert is also on sometimes and other people are

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Speaker 1: also on and it's good and you should listen to it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also at it me hr three on Twitter

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Speaker 1: if you'd want to be there for some reason. Uh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have a book called After the Revolution. You can

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Speaker 1: buy it by typing it into any place that sells books,

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Speaker 1: Amazon or the shop dot org or whatever that places,

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Speaker 1: or just go to the a K Press website. You

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Speaker 1: can buy After the Revolution everywhere. Um alright, folks, until

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Speaker 1: next week, go go go play Warhammer. You know, engage

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Speaker 1: with the true sport of strategic masters, the one that

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Speaker 1: has a lot of chainsaws in it. Behind the Bastards

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