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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast, walked out shirtless halfway through

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Speaker 1: a podcast from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansas, got a room filled with

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Speaker 1: some heroes, great rows at all and he's back, baby,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, what's up, dude? Oh he's back. What a

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Speaker 1: treasure to return. I imagine, I imagine you went somewhere mystical,

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Speaker 1: somewhere deep. You had conversations with villagers. Perhaps what was

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Speaker 1: your time away? Like, we went out of our way

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Speaker 1: to stay and give you a wide berth. During this time,

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Speaker 1: there were a couple of times when I looked at

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Speaker 1: my phone and they were like I had still been

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Speaker 1: attached to these text threads that were, you know, exploding,

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Speaker 1: But I Erica did. At one point, I could not

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Speaker 1: come back with any aggression. I just sort of didn't

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Speaker 1: even answer. I let it flow by. But I did

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Speaker 1: very little, to be honest. We had our kids home

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Speaker 1: for spring break, but I ventured up into Hollywood one evening.

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Speaker 1: You went into the city. Yes, this is the wrong

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Speaker 1: drop breaking. We need some bright lights, big city, but

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Speaker 1: I think it actually fits on some level. Um had

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Speaker 1: a mystical time, had a nice time, that's good. That's

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Speaker 1: a that's a Mark move actually is to walk around

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Speaker 1: the city, usually find a place where someone was killed,

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Speaker 1: uh and then do like an instagram with the you

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Speaker 1: know at magic hour, you're not wrong, the lights going down,

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Speaker 1: it's you who can beat the l a light. The

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Speaker 1: scene at the end of good Will Hunting where Chucky

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Speaker 1: is talking to Will and he's like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: the best part of my day is those ten seconds

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Speaker 1: I hope that you're gone, and you never said anything,

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Speaker 1: you just walked away. I'm the opposite of that. That's

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Speaker 1: not what I want. I never want you to leave.

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Speaker 1: So when I do that hypothetical ten second, all I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping for is that you're there. The word seconds to

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Speaker 1: your day is believing, oh, this is the day Mark

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Speaker 1: is gone. And then went to went to uh the

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Speaker 1: going to be easy for me to uh to go

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Speaker 1: Elliott Smith playing not in this Lifetime. He leaves a

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Speaker 1: a it's a picture from camp. What is it code?

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Speaker 1: The real name of that? Well just at that at

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Speaker 1: So that we did. There were a few photos of

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Speaker 1: Mark is a nineteen year old or sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: Oh you also used to hit me up when you'd

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Speaker 1: was silent, not intentionally. I wasn't on a ghost to

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Speaker 1: social calendar is very busy. All right, enough interrogation of Mark.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, buddy. Uh, you're a mystical man. Coming up

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Speaker 1: on today's show. We continue. We had Daniel Jeremiah on

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Speaker 1: the program last Thursday, Mark, while you were out, because well,

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Speaker 1: we have Josh Norris uh formerly of roade a World,

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Speaker 1: now with the Underdog Network, and he is one of

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Speaker 1: the top dudes in the game in the mock draft

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Speaker 1: the greatest mock draft of all time. So we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: somewhere else in the sports landscape. Our employer has literal interest.

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy. Like I said, Chucky, he didn't want

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Speaker 1: it's it's that friendship I think was like giving and

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Speaker 1: He wants you for his um interests. And that's this show. Well, differently,

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and sixteen NFL Draft, the New York

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Speaker 1: But players never get paid now entering their fourth year.

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Speaker 1: in the post draft period, just because teams haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback by getting Baker Mayfield. Now, wait,

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Speaker 1: you know what, even if they're not drafting a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: wait until that happens. And I agree, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Leader in the clubhouse? Like what they offered a six

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Speaker 1: or they said, mate will probably offer a six if

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Speaker 1: we don't take a quarterback, were willing to pay his money.

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Speaker 1: I think it will happen day two of the There

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Speaker 1: is no clubhouse in that scenario. Also, I we don't

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Speaker 1: need to even go down this road because it's over.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you would have put Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: on those Browns team, he would have had some success.

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Speaker 1: I want to be so easy to tell who's the

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Speaker 1: better player. I disagree, but but that's that's a conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: everyone is agreement that Donald can't play now, but look

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Speaker 1: where he went last year. Also, he still has never

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Speaker 1: really gotten a chance. It was but I'm not I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he's a player. But Baker had a way

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Speaker 1: better set up in Cleveland that I can. I think

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Speaker 1: at some point you can watch three thousand, four thousand

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Speaker 1: snaps and know if that guy can play or not.

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Speaker 1: It's like Teddy Bridgewater was in that same situation as

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald the year before. It looked a lot different.

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Speaker 1: And and and no one is banging the drawing other than

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Speaker 1: me that Teddy is like some great starter, like it

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Speaker 1: looked a lot different. I don't. I think Donald is

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Speaker 1: someone that the draft community, a big chunk of them,

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Speaker 1: latched onto him hard, and they have. It's been hard

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Speaker 1: for people let go of the idea that he isn't

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Speaker 1: still a starting quarterback. At some point we shall see,

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Speaker 1: because I believe they will end up fighting each other.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be Greek tragedy. Alright, moving on, time

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Speaker 1: for news and notes presented by up work, where you

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Speaker 1: can build a team that will build your business. Learn

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Speaker 1: more at up work dot com. Alright, Stephan Gilmore, former

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Speaker 1: gray beard, well always a gray beard, he has now

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Speaker 1: found a real team. It is the Indianapolis Colts who

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Speaker 1: come to terms on a contract agreement with the veteran cornerback,

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Speaker 1: former defensive player of the Year. The deal is worth

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Speaker 1: around twenty three million. It's a two year contract. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This was a secondary greg that graded out well last

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Speaker 1: year on PF for instance, But certainly Gilmore provides a

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Speaker 1: shot in the arm, even at age thirty one, he

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Speaker 1: remains a guy that is more than capable. And they

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Speaker 1: sent rock gests in away, who had been playing well

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Uh, and now they

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Speaker 1: replaced him with Gilmore, who eventually got his money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point he thought he was going

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Speaker 1: to do better than two for twenty three, and I

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Speaker 1: think he got about seventeen guarantee. But that's about what

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Speaker 1: I would have guessed he would have gotten in the

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Speaker 1: first place. He's thirty two years old, hasn't played much

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Speaker 1: in the last two years. Was solid when he played

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Speaker 1: for Carolina, but barely had any games where he had

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Speaker 1: more than thirty five snaps because I think he was

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Speaker 1: trying to get healthy and get to the end of

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Speaker 1: the season. Uh, and he was on a limited snap count.

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Speaker 1: So it's a It's a good move by them, and

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Speaker 1: it's a reminder. I think there's a lot of free

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Speaker 1: agents left, including Honey Badger, that actually are going to

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Speaker 1: get pretty good contracts when they do sign. There's a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of teams that have calv space left, and

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Speaker 1: they realized there's no point in rolling it over every

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Speaker 1: year like the Colts have done. I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: a waste of resources and teams are kind of smartening

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Speaker 1: up Chris Ballard. This is when he has talked about

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Speaker 1: wanting to attack the market for this kind of deal,

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Speaker 1: this kind of player. They recruited him really hard. They

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Speaker 1: view him as a huge leader and Gus Bradley, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's his it's Gus Bradley type of cornerback who and

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Speaker 1: I think fits in really well with Kenny Moore and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the guys their lineup on defense, Darius Leonard,

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Speaker 1: they traded for Yenni Conglaquay to Forrest Buckner, Bobby Okki

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Speaker 1: Quitty Pay and you add Gilmore. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a solid defense that I think sets up Gus Bradley

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Speaker 1: to you know, succeed out of the gate. I think

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Speaker 1: that Steven Stephen Holder tweeted this um and I agree

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Speaker 1: a lot. I agree with it that Chris Ballard is

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Speaker 1: good at his job. And yes, he got the he

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Speaker 1: got the Carson Wentz moved wrong. There's no way around that.

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Speaker 1: But I give him credit for realizing it along with

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Speaker 1: ownership it seems, and getting out of that quickly. So

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Speaker 1: they get Wentz out of the building for two third

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Speaker 1: round picks. They get Matt Ryan for just one third

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Speaker 1: round pick. They got rock Yes Sin out and got

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Speaker 1: a proven ed rusher and returned, and now your sin

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Speaker 1: gets replaced with a former defensive player of the Year.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Colts. When we had a conversation

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Speaker 1: earlier in the off season about the Colts and where

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Speaker 1: they staid, it felt like they were really a tough

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Speaker 1: spot considering how hot they got at one point during

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Speaker 1: the season, and it didn't seem a lot to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of optimism. I don't know what Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: has left, but I think you're gonna enter this season

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Speaker 1: with with some optimism that I wasn't expecting a month

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Speaker 1: or six weeks ago. So I think they've had, on

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Speaker 1: balance a pretty solid off season. They might they might

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Speaker 1: not be done. There's still second in effective cap space,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, I really think teams have gotten

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Speaker 1: to the point where they realized rolling over all this

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Speaker 1: money is just not trying hard enough. And you know

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Speaker 1: who has the most cap space now in the league

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Speaker 1: effective cap space by decent amount. The Carolina Panthers can

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Speaker 1: just slide in that old Baker Mayfield, you know, just slide.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what is it doing for you. You

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta tell all your grandchildren. And I had

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Speaker 1: one chance at me and a head coach. Right, that's

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Speaker 1: how this happened, I think. But it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: doing anything for you, you you might as well use it.

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Speaker 1: Why not? You know, if you're the cults. Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: I think still sits out there because they need a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver they go into the traff with. That is

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Speaker 1: a huge need. M That was News and Notes presented

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Speaker 1: by up work, the world's work marketplace. Learn more at

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Speaker 1: upwork dot com. Before we bring in Josh Norris, did

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Speaker 1: you have any takeaways? Mark, I know the usfl UM

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Speaker 1: launched this weekend. I've noticed by the we had having

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Speaker 1: Silva on the show last week, and uh, he's given

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Speaker 1: it the old over, established the run, given it the

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Speaker 1: old a f treatment where they're all over the USFLS

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Speaker 1: launch um. Similarly, you were that way this weekend, as

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Speaker 1: I understand. I watched about about an hour of it total.

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Speaker 1: But uh, I did notice that guys like Paxton lynch

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Speaker 1: Um showed up on the Michigan Panthers and that that

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Speaker 1: Panthers team had nine fumbles in their loss. If there's

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Speaker 1: a worse Panthers than the one that we're just talking about.

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Speaker 1: There is well, at least out of the gate. The

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Speaker 1: thing though, I found it fun to watch. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: like awful or anything. It had. There was some good play,

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Speaker 1: some up and down moments. But they have like they'll

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Speaker 1: follow you'll like this from like from like. They have

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Speaker 1: a drone kicker cam that when you kick a field

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Speaker 1: goal like this, drone follows it towards the gold post.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit m nausea inducing. I think they

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Speaker 1: need to work on it to some degree, but it's

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Speaker 1: watchable and it's it's I think some of these guys

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Speaker 1: are going to end up in camps obviously, because the

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Speaker 1: league totally misses a developmental league. And it's way better,

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Speaker 1: way better, I think, audition than sitting on someone's practice

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Speaker 1: squad right now for some of them. But then you

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Speaker 1: but then you're getting some hot mess scenarios in there too.

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Speaker 1: But like the old New Jersey generals when I became

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Speaker 1: a fan when the USFL melted, they used to tell

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Speaker 1: all the same the same names and stuff, so it's nostalgic.

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Speaker 1: It's strange too, because I don't know if they like

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Speaker 1: it's not the same people. I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: that there's some legal thing where they might not even

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Speaker 1: have permission. They're just like calling at the USFL. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's like, has nothing to do with the old thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want one of these two work.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't seem like it has anything, uh set up

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Speaker 1: better than the previous ones that didn't work. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's not set up as well. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that has is broadcast agreements. It's on Foxy

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Speaker 1: and NBC at the same time. What that that's kind

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Speaker 1: of amazing all their games in the same adium. Kind

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Speaker 1: of strange. Yeah, And there was like a weather delay

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Speaker 1: for the most Monday night here because it was rocked

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Speaker 1: getting a lot out of the fan base there to

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Speaker 1: just go to games all the time. Get comfortable, guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Sunday kickoff was in front of an essentially

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Speaker 1: empty stadium and people kind of came in for the

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Speaker 1: second half side. And by the way, if you want

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Speaker 1: to learn more about the USFL, about a decade ago,

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Speaker 1: UM thirty, the ESPN series had a special on UH

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Speaker 1: the league called Small potatoes. Who killed the USFL. The

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Speaker 1: answer was a former president. Yes it was this country,

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Speaker 1: but I won't let you know who it is. And

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Speaker 1: it wasn't Richard Nixon or Gerald Ford. That those are

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Speaker 1: the ants games Ford gets to zero. You have to

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Speaker 1: piece the rest of it together. That's what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the news, all right. Coming up next, Josh Norris talking

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Speaker 1: draft after the break, a responsible break, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: around the NFL, joining us now former bricklayer. Now he's

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Speaker 1: doing his own thing at the Underdock Network dot com

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Speaker 1: content strategy and production and one hell of a mock drafter.

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Speaker 1: It's Josh Norris, that's a body and Mark greg third

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Speaker 1: time caller, longtime listening to beautiful people. So glad to

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Speaker 1: join you. Oh, it's great to have you, Josh. We've

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Speaker 1: already at the top of the show. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: excellent lighting over there at the Underdog Network with the

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Speaker 1: work right now. This is a lovely Brooklyn brick. I

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Speaker 1: mean that is Americans. You're filming a Dungeons and Dragon

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Speaker 1: special or something. It's intriguing. Starts when the sun goes down.

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Speaker 1: Mark you look like you're taking a portrait um for

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Speaker 1: like uh an off Broadway show that debuting in Nashville. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually Josh Norris playing the role of Hamlet. The last

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Speaker 1: thing on this Josh, but it's really it has to

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Speaker 1: happen now that it's in my head. Can you do

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Speaker 1: the thing where you're kind of looking into the middle

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Speaker 1: distance with like a half smile. Let me make sure

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Speaker 1: I love this perfect great podcast audio content. Right, you

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Speaker 1: can check it out on your YouTube. Everybody, Josh, listen,

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Speaker 1: you did it. You did the damn thing last year.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about brand building, you want to

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Speaker 1: talk talk about establishing where you land in this landscape

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Speaker 1: of the draft mock drafts. You nailed sixteen of thirty

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Speaker 1: two first round picks last year, and that's brilliant. The

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Speaker 1: entire top ten, the entire and that is something is

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Speaker 1: how is that possible? And you wrote and a great

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Speaker 1: piece where you did your mock draft one point oh

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Speaker 1: that you have to nail that top ten and then

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Speaker 1: find quote random player and team fits from number sixteen on.

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Speaker 1: So there's a strategy. And I'll also say that, like

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Speaker 1: I was watching your live you know, YouTube show, and

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Speaker 1: I like how your process. It's logic based but investigative

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Speaker 1: in nature, and you know there's knowledge involved that you need,

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Speaker 1: but also bread crumbs and red string dot connecting. Like

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Speaker 1: how you know that Ron Rivera doesn't like to leave

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Speaker 1: his house, so when he does, that matters to the

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Speaker 1: commander's draft board. Really bravo, Josh, Well, it's all wire tapping,

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Speaker 1: that's all it is. Dan. I will add though, and

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Speaker 1: I think you know this from growing up with Jets.

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00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: Mark knows that us from growing up the Browns. Like

642
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: if there's some level of cohesion in terms of decision

643
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: makers on a team, like you kind of get to

644
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: know their process a little bit. And you know, when

645
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: I was seven years old, the Panthers came to Charlotte

646
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: and I just became obsessed with them and I started

647
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out how they built their roster,

648
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: which directions they were going with, whether it be you know,

649
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Marty Hernie, Dave Kettleman and now Scott Fitterer or so.

650
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: All I thought was, well, one, let me ask some

651
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: beat writers in the top ten, but also let me

652
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: found like the Josh Norris is from across the other

653
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: fans of those teams, right, ones that are obsessed from

654
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: a young age. And see what they think lack top

655
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: nine the top ten picks. This is what happens when

656
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: you get an underdog fantasy ad that place pretty often.

657
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Just saw it on NFL Network last weekend. It's basically

658
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: been going. It was sometimes on Thursday Night Football and

659
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: like it's pretty good, Josh places, Yes, getting big head here.

660
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I do have to ask you this because the mock

661
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: draft um community, a subset of humanity, is so competitive

662
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: that when you nail nine nine out of ten picks,

663
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: are you are there? You know, veiled threats are there? Um?

664
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: Have you dodged assassination attempts? It sounds like you're a

665
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: hated person through a window. Silva is not enjoying you,

666
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: like celebrating and spiking the football this whole pre draft

667
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: process season. That is true. They think, actually get rid

668
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: of the bit when they just carry on bits, you know,

669
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: for three years. At this point, Mark, I'll give you

670
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: a honest answer. I now work for a fantasy sports

671
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: company that gives away millions of dollars to people who win. Um,

672
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: when I hit sixteen and thirty two, the greatest mock

673
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: draft ever of like eighty four million, that I've been published.

674
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: I turned to my girlfriend and I tell her that

675
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: this achievement, a lifelong dream has happened. And she asked,

676
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: what did you win then? Because you company gives away

677
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff, right, absolutely, zero zero dollars in my

678
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: bank account of all this. Of course that happens to me.

679
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: I finally achieved greatness. But you know, you could be

680
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: put some money up for this. You don't work at

681
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. You're not restricted like us, so you could

682
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: have been putting your own UH cat shot on the

683
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: line here and you would have done well if if

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: you had done that. That's not what it's about, Greg.

685
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: What it's about for Josh is the work and the

686
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: reward is she's still your girlfriend. She's about away from so,

687
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I said, I, you know, seemed unimpressed with the feet.

688
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Hey baby, Well what anyway? All right, let's get into it. Greg,

689
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: you had you had an idea here based off some

690
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: over unders who provided these over under Well, we can

691
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: go off the fan duel since that's an official UH

692
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: sponsor of us if we want. But I thought it'd

693
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: be fun to go through some over unders because you're

694
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: good at Josh obviously getting a feel of where these

695
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: guys are going to go. Uh, and it'll just give

696
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: us a chance to kind of talk about each one

697
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: of these players. One of the guys who I think

698
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: was really noteworthy on your mock draft falling far was

699
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's all the way to eighteen. His over under

700
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: now is all the way up at least on fandal

701
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: to ten and a half. Um. This was a guy

702
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: that was in the top five almost exclusively in the

703
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: early mock drafter days of March. Obviously he struggled with

704
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: the forty time and pro day that doesn't go well. Uh,

705
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why we're seeing him slipping some mocks.

706
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Washington picks at eleven, which is a potential landing spot,

707
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: which is why that number is at ten and a half.

708
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there? I just don't consider safety

709
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: from a team's perspective like a pillar position. And this

710
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: top ten is loaded with, you know, players at those

711
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: cornerstone spots offensive tackle, pass rusher, cornerback, heck even even

712
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver and cal Hamilton's, like you said, number eleven

713
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: does make a lot of sense, but again, it's just

714
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: serving where those teams and who's already on the roster

715
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: and what the investments have been in the top ten already,

716
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily see it. I could side maybe

717
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: with like the Minnesota Vikings, if they think like their

718
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: safety room was getting a little bit older, I could

719
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: look at even that. Then that's over. To answer your question,

720
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm leaning the over on tin half has

721
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: nothing to do with cal Himton as the player. I

722
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: think it's more of the position. Despite you know, more

723
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: and more too high shells that we hear you guys

724
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: and everyone talking about all year long, seventeen one of

725
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: the greatest safety prospects of all time. Right, I agree

726
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: with you, and and so just to answer your question quickly,

727
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: over to in half is where i'd be leading it.

728
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you, because you're leading the way.

729
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we're starting to hear more buzz that Malik

730
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: Willis is visiting with the Lions. Some wonder if that

731
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: could be their second pick or the first. He's not

732
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: going to be there when they pick second, obviously, are

733
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: you looking at Malik Willis and thinking, uh, look at

734
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: this is there's a chance And by second I mean

735
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: their second pick after the first round, right, Like, do

736
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: you think that you have a number two Detroit, that

737
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: this is a reality that's becoming more and more. What

738
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: is over under Malik will nine point five, which feels

739
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: steeply too rich. I think he's going before that in

740
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: my book. Okay, So the more I get like diving

741
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: into this, and the closer we get, the more I

742
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: think that like the Pittsburgh Sailors at pick number twenties,

743
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: the first team to take a quarterback, and they kind

744
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: of showed their hand last year with Nazi Harris and

745
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: that pick was you know, solidifiding stone early on um

746
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: I firmly and I think you guys just finished talking

747
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: about this. Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo with the Panthers

748
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: at number six, that seems far more likely. Maybe the

749
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. The last time they selected, you know, near

750
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: this range was pick number fifteen. That was a complete

751
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: out of nowhere selection. And then they've done you know,

752
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: similar things throughout this time over the years. So the

753
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: closer we get, the more I think that. Obviously, with

754
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: the last year of general manager in Pittsburgh, he has

755
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: viewed how he rose, how he Alsik news to excuse

756
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: me what he did in Baltimore and said, look, he

757
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: left a lasting legacy with Lamar Jackson and his quarterback.

758
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: I woant to do that here with Mitch Robinsky and

759
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: then the rookie quarterback at number twenty, and that could

760
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: easily be moliqu willis there at that selection. You have,

761
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: I like this going a little deeper into the first

762
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: round with the team I think is the best team

763
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: in football right now, and you're doing like your strategy

764
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: match team needs with players on the board. There's a

765
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: lot of smoke connecting the Bills to a running back.

766
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: You have Breece Hall Iowa State going overall. You know,

767
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: it does make me think about what was the last

768
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: unstoppable offense that said, oh, let's take a luxury piece

769
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: in the backfield to kind of bring this thing all together.

770
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards a layer to the Chiefs, and that hasn't

771
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: quite worked out. But that doesn't mean that another team

772
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: that has a similar ceiling can't try the same thing.

773
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: The Bills they're looking for that last piece. Where is

774
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: he at Breece Hall on this list, He's done. I'm

775
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: the fan duel interesting, So you tell us more about

776
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: your thinking there. It's exactly what you're saying, Dan, and

777
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: I think part of that is with the clarity layer

778
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: selection at what picked thirty two a couple of years ago,

779
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: if he had just pivoted over to Jonathan Taylor, I

780
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: think we'll be praising that selection, right. And so really,

781
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: these teams only have to be honest with us through

782
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: their draft picks and through their wallets. Like you hear

783
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: this all the time when they go up there at

784
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: the combine and they just lie to you over and

785
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: over and over again. They just lied to you. And

786
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: so with the Bills, they paid j. D. Mckissic handsomely.

787
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: That was a contract that was agreed to. That is

788
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: the type of of talent that I think it is

789
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: kind of tough to find a hybrid running backs last

790
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver who thrives on explosive plays and in the

791
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: receiving game. And so there aren't gonna be many of

792
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: those in this draft class. Maybe a couple later on,

793
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: like James Cook Dalvin Cook's brother. But if this team

794
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: wants to make a strength even stronger in the Buffalo

795
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: Bills and had some true explosion on top of you

796
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: know what, some positive things they've seen a little bit

797
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: at their running backs about briest Hall makes a ton

798
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: of sense, but I wouldn't you know, I would assume

799
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: Greg that like the over under in terms of running

800
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: back is a half, right, Like you either are in

801
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and back going around one or you're not. And if

802
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: one is, it's definitely gonna be briests Hall because his

803
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: vision explosive plays are really something special. Right. It's still

804
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: early in the in the process. There's like there's things

805
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: up about first running backs being selected, different things like that.

806
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: Can I just say, Mark and Josh little housekeeping here internal,

807
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: but we feel comfortable with you. Mark. You know, the

808
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: NFL has some strict, you know, guardrails with what we

809
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: can access inside the building they do. I try to

810
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: access this link that has the over unders and I

811
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: got hit with some type of firewall, and yet Greg

812
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: breaks through, and again it's asking questions where fact I'm

813
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: also broken through. I think you have a WiFi issued

814
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: Dan that's you need to be connect. So we talked

815
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: about I had to get off the internal one. If

816
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: you sign into the guest WiFi, it works, which is

817
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: crazy because we're taking, we being the NFL, tens of

818
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: millions of dollars from these companies one little note. In

819
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: the old days, when you go to a site that

820
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: was illegal on any form, not you know, gambling or

821
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: beyond inside the building, a big NFL official would show

822
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: up blowing the whistle. This is act that that is

823
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: a that is a true I see, I'm not. We

824
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: can't get into this stuff, um, but if we could, Uh,

825
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: if what I was in Vegas this week instead of

826
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: just walking right past that sports book, which is what

827
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: I did right back up to the room. Good boy,

828
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: But just look, I didn't forget it. Ignore it doesn't exist.

829
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna walk the kids to bats and then I'm

830
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna walk back. Well, Plus an NFL employee will be

831
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: shot on site if you walk inside Saturday night. I

832
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: think Desmond Ritter going in the first round feels like

833
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: the surest of sure things that right now has like

834
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: even odds. Essentially, his over under is the end of

835
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: the first round, and I feel like the closer we

836
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: get to the draft, the things that people like about

837
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter um matches up with what NFL decision makers like, like, oh,

838
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: he changed the culture. He's a winner, Like he's impressive

839
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: in the room, which is which is all great, Like

840
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: that stuff matters he won and all that, but it

841
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: also matches up with what all the tape heeds love like.

842
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Of all the guys in this draft, I think he's

843
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the guy that tapeds look at and say, Okay, he's

844
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: going through his progressions, Okay, he's showing a little bit

845
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: of anticipation here. Okay, I don't know how good he's

846
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna be, but he's athletic, so at least there's some

847
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: upside there. He's an NFL quarterback. If there's one quarterback

848
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: in this draft that, like we sort of know will

849
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: at least be on a contract eight years from now

850
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: on a team, it's Desmond Ritter. And that's why that

851
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: over for getting into the first round and and believing

852
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: that he will get taken maybe first out of all

853
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, but certainly in the top thirty, seems like

854
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: a very strong pick to me, what do you agree?

855
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: And to make this a bigger point, I think because

856
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, draft season starts back in December and January,

857
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of these lists from really great people

858
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: come out, they have, you know, rankings that really firmly

859
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: at let's say, can you pick it, Malik willis above

860
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: the rest and even at the tackle spot. It's a

861
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: give Kwana and Evan Nel above Charles Cross once you

862
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: get to draft weekend. Part of the reason we love

863
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: it is because they're shock. There's all, there's unpredictability other

864
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: than my mock draft, and then that's when all the

865
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: fun happens. And so it wouldn't be shocking to see

866
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: Desmond Red the first quarterback off this list. I think

867
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: Matt Corrall has a chance of being the first quarterback

868
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: off this list. The big difference here between this group

869
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've had someone talked about this already

870
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: and other ones, is like there's no one that does

871
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: everything well. You know, des inaccuracy is prevalent everywhere. Matt

872
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: Corrall is like a confident Marcus Mariotta in terms of

873
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: his r p O s and only ran about like

874
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: eighty eight snaps of three to seven step drops and

875
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: that's about it. Can you pick it? At the NFL level?

876
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Is going to have to win inside of structure, working

877
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: through his progressions, but he never did that really during

878
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: his time at Pittsburgh. He wanted to escape the pod.

879
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Get to pick it Love's and then Malik Willis is

880
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: someone who has fantastic ath let us is m almost

881
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: the anti Lamar Jackson terms of love throwing downfield and

882
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: outside the numbers, but the middle of the field is

883
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: like a complete blind spot. So any one of those

884
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: and I think, really, Greg, what it comes down to

885
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: is these teams are going to fall in love with

886
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: the person of one of these quarterbacks, like build a

887
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: relationship whose last three months with one of these quarterbacks,

888
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: and that's the one they want to attach them to.

889
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: And Ritterer, by all accounts, might be that one that

890
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: was like a long way to say, yeah, I'm not

891
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: loving your theory that much. To that would be I

892
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: think like two and a half quarterbacks is the over

893
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: under right now in round one? I would I would

894
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: take the under on that. Yeah, I think I might too,

895
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: But I think I just like think Ritterer Ridder goes

896
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: top thirty. There's obviously going to be a run on

897
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: wide out once the first comes off the board. Garrett

898
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: Wilson ten point five. There's obviously two great guys from

899
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State with Crystal Love too. Is Wilson your number

900
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: one guy? And does he go over under ten point five?

901
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: I've got the Jets sitting there at number ten. I

902
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: like using the decimal ten point five. I like that, Well,

903
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: that's another way to state it. Go ahead, it's mathematically

904
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: accurate on on pick ten. And really, what is it

905
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: picked for their other first round selection? Yes, I think

906
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: it says. I think there's a sandwich prop to be

907
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: laid out here that the gent will absolutely take a

908
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver with one of those two picks, because they've

909
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: shown their hand throughout all their trials and tribulations in

910
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: this season. They had a deal agreed with for Tyreek Kill.

911
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: They definitely kicked around DK Metcalf. They this is something

912
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: they've been trying to make happen and it hasn't yet,

913
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: so I think this is going to be the road

914
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: they go. And also in on Calvin Ridley potentially a

915
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper they were possibly in that deal. So once

916
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: against the paper trail that we're following with where these

917
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: teams want invest I think ten at the Jets absolutely

918
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: is a possibility. It wouldn't totally shock me if the

919
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Jets want to start this wide receiver run and it's

920
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: the number four overall selection. The difference here Mark is

921
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: like all these wide receivers do different stuff, and like

922
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is your true is so ball d you

923
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: up one on one wide receiver, wins with separation, creates separation,

924
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: and then you know sustains it versus like Jamison Williams

925
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: just coming off an injury, who was like true vertical

926
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: juice speed down the field. And then you have the

927
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: other ol House state wide receiver and a few others

928
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 1: in Drake London at USC, so on and so forth.

929
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm with you ten and eleven. I would

930
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: be surprised if by that point we don't have two

931
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: wide receivers. But ted and has an interesting number there,

932
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I would think he might. I would just say go

933
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: because it just would be surprising if receivers were taken

934
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: before that. So you're almost certainly there could be a

935
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: surprise since maybe at eight as the Opkins, maybe, but

936
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: you're in a draft where it seems like five or

937
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: six different teams might have five or six different guys

938
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: as their top receiver. You're kind of buying in that

939
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson is sort of a consensus one which I

940
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: don't think is is really the consensus. So I would

941
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: just take your chances that maybe he ends up slipping

942
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: and not be that ten. I think it's really saucy

943
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: in general, some of the dot connecting you've done here

944
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, because you got Jamison Williams to

945
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: the Chargers at seventeen and I love that, and you

946
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: wrote about make a strength stronger Mike Williams with Keenan

947
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Allen and Jamison Williams, we are on fire. And then

948
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: you do the move that you know this was. Ah,

949
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: it's a good dot connect because what are the Packers

950
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: gonna do here? You know, they just they just went

951
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: out and they got Sammy Watkins, but then a report

952
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: came out that he's not even starting to make the roster.

953
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: Obviously they need more uh, and you have them double

954
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: dipping with Treylon Burke's and Christian Watson. It makes sense

955
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: because they have to kind of go in big here.

956
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: I feel like to justify moving Aaron Rodgers, big guy

957
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: out of the room. And you have to hit on

958
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: one of these guys to make them a credible Super

959
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: Bowl offense. So if my life is now devoted to

960
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: retaining my title of mock draft stardom, I have to

961
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: hit on one of these wide receivers at the end

962
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: of round one. And we all firmly believe at least

963
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: for one of these spots for the Packers, they will

964
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: take one. So yes, you mentioned Traylon Burks at twenty

965
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: two with their second first round pick. I had them

966
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: taking Christian Watson coming out of North Dakota State, and

967
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the two are very different. I mean, Traylon Burks was

968
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: kind of manufactured touch like player. And if we're splitting

969
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: Davante Adams in half, which is a dangerous thing to do,

970
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: um he was worth in the NFL in his screens

971
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: last year. Immoral to do that. Sports don't matter that

972
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna split him into point five,

973
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: you gotta better realize there is some legal josh. Not

974
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: everyone is just for you to play your little lab games.

975
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: So he had a lot of manufactured touches and r

976
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: p O s and so Traylon Burks, that's the area

977
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: where he might shine with this offense. And if we're

978
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: trying to replace an MVS or a vertical playmaker with

979
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of athleticism than Christian Watson, who

980
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: did some of that manufacturing touch stuff in North Dakota State,

981
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: would fill that as well. But then you have names

982
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: like sky Moore coming out of Western Michigan. You have

983
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: George Pickens, who really shine during his freshman year at

984
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: Georgia than a time. It took a downturn from there.

985
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Greg, it's probably what seven six

986
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: and a half wide receivers six point five coming off

987
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: the board there in in round one. Um, I'm starting

988
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: to lean the over, especially DJ. Like DJ thought that

989
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: was the one thing he felt confident was receivers is

990
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: going off fast and fierce because they seem like the

991
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: best players, or at least and the depth of them

992
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: seems like the best. I mean, Traylott Berks maybe has

993
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of Randall cop to him, a bigger, better version,

994
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: and you're hoping even if you take them in the

995
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: first round. But that that to me makes sense with

996
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: the pack. My buddy Dame Burgler mentioned that he played

997
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: around two d and forty pounds last year, much bigger,

998
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: much chiled down about twenty pounds off of him of

999
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: US two and we'll do it much better next. It

1000
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: is unlikely, let's be real here, that you report to

1001
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: your significant other after this draft that you've nailed sixteen again,

1002
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: that it's the thing if you're setting up that this

1003
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: is what you're doing. You're so I was ask you,

1004
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put your over under let's be real thirteen

1005
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: and a half point Well no, but how much this

1006
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: is your this is your claim to fame. Well, he

1007
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: has to bang me over because he's trying to sell

1008
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: subscriptions and all sorts of things. Well, you know, we're

1009
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: just for the people. It's free content out there, Dan,

1010
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I will say this to take it upon me like

1011
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: the seventy two Dolphins from here on out, as long

1012
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: as no one brave, yes, setting yourself up for disappointment

1013
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: to try to repeat as that guy is almost it's

1014
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible. So that's maybe part of the reason

1015
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: why he's been so ostentatious with Bragg. He's enjoying it

1016
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: now while he can. He knows it's it's all gonna end.

1017
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: It's like Miss Universe. No one cares once you get

1018
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: to the end of that year. But you've got to

1019
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: enjoy that one year going around the world, and that's it.

1020
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: We won Best New Sports Podcast Podcast for Apple in

1021
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. I don't think we've We've won maybe

1022
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: one other awards since then, But you never take that

1023
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: away from us. We're always the best new sports podcast

1024
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: of two thousand. That's you, Like, nothing could ever change

1025
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: that you once got half of an entire first round, right,

1026
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I do want to know. I'm curious because I would

1027
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: be the same way. Um, I'm not saying you are,

1028
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: but maybe you were. You got nine out of ten

1029
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: in the first round. Who is the team that banged

1030
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: you and that you declare vengeance upon for keeping you

1031
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: from going ten for ten? Uh? Last year is the

1032
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. The Denver Broncos took Patrick sir tan and

1033
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: I had them taking Rashawn Slaver. But yeah, not gonna tend.

1034
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: It really is all about and so we can open

1035
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: up the formula here while we're in the labs them.

1036
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: So last year's top ten was pretty easy to pick

1037
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: when you consider that there was rarely any you know,

1038
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: defensive players considered as high draft prospects, and if they

1039
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: were going to be, it was gonna be only two cornerbacks.

1040
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: So you basically had five quarterbacks to choose from, three

1041
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: wide receivers to choose from, two offensive tackles, and then

1042
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: one random tight end and that was it. So like

1043
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: the number of picks, basically sorting ten of fifteen players

1044
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: versus this year. You have corners, you have edge, you

1045
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: have wide receivers, you have maybe a quarterback and maybe not.

1046
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: So this year is just there's much fourteen. It's your number.

1047
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: I also, I wouldn't walk around demystifying what happened last

1048
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: season because you're taking away from your your own myth building.

1049
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: We we don't, We'll take that out of the show.

1050
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: And you also have the consents one and two were

1051
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: locked and loaded. So I'm gonna keep that. I'm gonna

1052
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: because we'll come back to the Saturday night. I am

1053
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: going to set Josh is over under at and I

1054
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: wish I had the data for what he had the

1055
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: year before as a return to the average, But I'm

1056
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm gonna set it at eight and a half. Tom.

1057
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, even that even that at.

1058
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: It's a tough draft, and it's not a shot against you.

1059
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: You're obviously uh Studley in this realm. But I think

1060
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a tough night for the whole

1061
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: in an underwhelming selling point. Though for you. I tried

1062
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: to lift it up just to say say you're gonna

1063
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: do it. No one's gonna know anyway. So before before

1064
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: you let you go, I do want to just a

1065
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: couple of comments, A couple of comments. I'm just saying,

1066
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley to the Seahawks, I just can see that.

1067
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: I just talking talk. That was amazing. I'm just saying,

1068
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving that an award for the best mock pick

1069
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: that you had. The second I saw that, I was

1070
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: just like, Oh, yeah, that's that's such a Seahawks type

1071
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: of move, Jordan Davis, you have going eight and that's

1072
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: the other one, even more than Ridder that to me,

1073
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: the over unders still doesn't seem high enough. I think

1074
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: it's at thirteen and a half right now, Josh, doesn't.

1075
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: It just seem like there's no way the NFL is

1076
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: letting him go that far? Just quickly on him. I mean,

1077
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: he legitimately is the most athletic prospect to ever enter

1078
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: the NFL. Ever in a draft where no one's excited

1079
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: about anyone, where Trey Von Walker could go one just

1080
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: because people are looking for a home run, so he

1081
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: could go top five, I feel like, who the hell knows?

1082
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: And we've seen, you know, Derek Brown go top ten

1083
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: at Oliver go top ten, at differen Starck quentnin Williams

1084
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: go top ten. I really liked a lot of those evaluations.

1085
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: And I understand that you know, he played about twenty

1086
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: seven snaps per game, But if you want to acquire

1087
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: a talent at like six six three forty of Jordan Davis,

1088
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: you can't sign that in for agency. This is like

1089
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: a new kind of prospect that we've never seen before.

1090
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: So I just don't understand and maybe it happens how

1091
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: that falls out of top ten when, like you said,

1092
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: there's so many questions this year and it's quote unquote

1093
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: a poor draft. And then you mentioned you're like Mr

1094
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: Panther's expert. Um. I thought you've had a good theory

1095
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: about kind of what they're thinking in terms of quartering.

1096
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: You you've thought that they were maybe getting Baker this

1097
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: whole time, and that the quarterback stuff is smoke. Uh

1098
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: and now it's looking as we get closer like that

1099
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: that seems correct. But what why do you think that? Oh?

1100
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: For a number of reasons, One like that they've missed

1101
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: out on veterans these last two years, like that's where

1102
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: they put all their eggs. Right, was a Matthew Stafford

1103
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: trade and Deshaun Watson trade. Heck, even hoping for Aaron Rodgers.

1104
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: And I just don't know how a team could bypass

1105
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: the evaluations of Justin Fields and Mac Jones and say, oh, yeah,

1106
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: these guys are definitely better this year than they were

1107
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: last year. And when you consider that Scott Fitterer traded

1108
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: out during his first year as GM four times, and

1109
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: this year they don't have a pick in round two

1110
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: or round three, and so like having more darts, having

1111
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: more selections, and they're gonna get fired if they draft

1112
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback who can't play right away. Right, so

1113
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: where we're a long way from mutual disinterest. Also, I'm wondering, like,

1114
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: so they're enamored with what Baker Mayfield has put on

1115
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: tape overall, I mean, I don't know if Baker Mayfield

1116
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: saves your job either, to be honest, no, but I

1117
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: think the chance. This is also a a owner that

1118
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: does like to put his fingerprints on things. And while

1119
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: the early Teddy Bridgewater experiment was supposed to be a

1120
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: two year plan that turned into anyone but Teddy, So

1121
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: we bring in Sam and now it's turned into anyone

1122
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: but Sam, so now you bring in either Baker Mayfield

1123
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: or Jimmy Garoppolo, and it's just very clear that they

1124
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: don't want to sit through the growing pains of whatever

1125
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: rookie they put in the tough time here for Panthers.

1126
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: And then you have it. You have them going after

1127
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: offensive line, which is that's kind of like a key

1128
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: with everything with that team. If you want any quarterback

1129
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: to thrive, you better do a better job up front

1130
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: as well. Josh, you said it all and and I

1131
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: will say this, you're predicting fourteen. Um, you had sixteen

1132
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: last year. I hope you do sixteen again or higher

1133
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: because if you can, if you can get to that,

1134
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: if you can do two years in a row, you

1135
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: could build an entire you you can take everything behind

1136
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: a paywall at that point retire, right, Well, you gotta

1137
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: cash in one at this point. Yeah, you you have

1138
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: to demand Underdog does pay you a million dollar bonus

1139
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: like they pay these other things you're doing the I mean,

1140
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not giving you Are they giving you

1141
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: extra for those ads that I see? That's business? You know,

1142
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: you're commercials, You're a commercial superstar. You're nailing these mocks

1143
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: underdog has to step to the plate, is what I'm

1144
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: is I'm saying, but he needs to have sixteen more right.

1145
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: They're waiting to see what he does exactly, and the

1146
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: a t n Odds makers said at eight and a half.

1147
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: But don't take that A is us doubting you. That's

1148
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: just some You have to set the odds somewhere. I'm

1149
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: hoping you get point five in the draft. Correct again, Mark,

1150
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate your optimism most of all. I'm on your side, Josh,

1151
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, buddy. Keep up good work, buddy,

1152
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: and you check out Josh Norris at Josh Norris and

1153
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: at Underdog Fantasy. A delightful conversation, a fun guy and

1154
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: obviously knows his stuff all all getting aside, that's really

1155
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: good what he did last year and and reading his

1156
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: content this year, all that kind of makes sense. Sometimes

1157
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't follow logic, though, draft night, because all it

1158
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: takes his one team to do something insane and everything

1159
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: gets what if he gets that would be we'd have

1160
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: to bring him on again, because that would be electric.

1161
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like he was, like I'm trying to remember

1162
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: when he started at road World. He definitely was one

1163
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: of those that where he just kept emailing Evan's silva

1164
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: every day until he just like wore him down, and

1165
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: Evans how to do it had like was forced to

1166
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: hire him. I think he also that's a great thing

1167
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: to say about him after No. No, I mean it

1168
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: was one of the best moves Evan ever made. He

1169
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: recognized that, but it took that sort of persistence and

1170
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: just like, never give up, don't ever give up. Mark says.

1171
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: I also would say one other thing that ten point

1172
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: five when we are talking about picks in the draft,

1173
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: is different than points. I don't call point spreads seventeen

1174
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: point five. That's seventeen and a half in a college

1175
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: wipeout type scenario. But ten point five in this I

1176
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: think is is apt. Yeah. No, it was. No, it's

1177
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: not wrong. It was just it wasn't It was a

1178
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: little unorthodox, jarring to you that, But that's fine. It's

1179
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: good to have you back. Marks. It was like last

1180
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: week was a nightmare. I was stuck with Greg. I'll

1181
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: by myself a great time last week. I'm happy to

1182
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: have this job. We will be back on Thursday, and

1183
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: we have one more TV show before we go on

1184
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: a hiatus on Friday. So if you haven't seen it yet.

1185
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: First of all, thanks, yeah, good for you. Thanks your part.

1186
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. But you have one last chance not

1187
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: to disappoint us. On Friday, the around the NFL broadcast

1188
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Check your local listings. Uh, we got

1189
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: a text Shreeger. I don't know if Sugar knows that

1190
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: we're on California time, because every once in a while,

1191
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: Strigg's will send a text at you know, four in

1192
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: the morning. But it's nice to wake up to it.

1193
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: And uh and he's, oh, your show was on at

1194
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: three am today? It was, And it's Monday for a

1195
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: show we taped Friday morning, three m are it's you know,

1196
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: it's maybe a little bit out of time at that point,

1197
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: but still it's good to be on TV. I guess

1198
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it got such a response over the weekend,

1199
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: just like, Wow, these two guys are hot. Let's just

1200
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: put him put him on NonStop until bit baby. All right,

1201
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody. Thank you to Ricky x Erica, You're welcome, guys.

1202
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: That was great. I didn't respond that. Did I think

1203
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: about that. We're going to have to create in the

1204
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: next a little while. That will be uh something to

1205
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: work on um. All right, I didn't responded that thread yet.

1206
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: I realized I probably should to not get back into

1207
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: a an awkward place with Peter Schrieger. I really I

1208
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: really respected what he wrote and what he had to say.

1209
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: It just was early in the morning when I read it.

1210
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Right right now anyway, was actually probably awake at that time. Well,

1211
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: I also wasn't on me. I wasn't on the episode,

1212
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: so what will I You know, it did not involve me.

1213
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he was watching. That's true, Erica, But

1214
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Dan has a signing off for

1215
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: a Quiet Storm, the Old Boss, Ricky Hollywood, Randy chav

1216
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: great Digger, Sean Kelly, break out star something Josh Norris.

1217
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you, buddy for joining us. Till Thursday

1218
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: he had the call