WEBVTT - Ep. 57: Drunk and Disorderly Pastors

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<v Speaker 1>Did not freshen up my tetan shot. And it's been

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<v Speaker 1>three years my jaw has not locked, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>by now I'm fine. He pulls like he is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like pull a young girl out of a well,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sinker hits the bottom of my boat, and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounded like a shotgun go off. So when Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>drones start delivering groceries and spying through your windows, their

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<v Speaker 1>wings might look a whole lot like fish fins. And

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<v Speaker 1>this little baitcaster just disintegrated, and I just blurted out, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>how about this in piece of ship. Good morning, degenerate anglers.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast that definitely told the

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<v Speaker 1>inappropriate joke at dinner in front of your socially conservative

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<v Speaker 1>and easily offended uncle. I'm Joe Surmelli Les guilty uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm consistently shocked at how easy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to offend people these days. Like there was a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not talking like way back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about time not long ago, when if I

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<v Speaker 1>was making someone uncomfortable or offending someone, I was probably

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<v Speaker 1>doing it on purpose. But early two thousands issues. But now, man,

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<v Speaker 1>now everyone's so angry and mistrustful of everyone else. That

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<v Speaker 1>we're like all listening to each other differently. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a different way of listening. Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>listening to understand what another person is saying, we're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to see if we can pick out clues about which

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<v Speaker 1>side of the cultural divide the other person sits on,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we hear, if we hear evidence that they're

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<v Speaker 1>one of them, one of whoever we consider the bad people,

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<v Speaker 1>then we we appose the whole interaction differently, like as

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<v Speaker 1>if there are enemy we we just we start dissecting

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<v Speaker 1>their speech for anything that we can latch onto in

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<v Speaker 1>order to paint them in the most negative like possible

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully ruin their lives forever. Yeah yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the innocent and an accidental social faux pa. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it just kind of no longer exists, right, Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>like we're all constantly under arrest and anything you can say,

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<v Speaker 1>uh will be held against you in a court of

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<v Speaker 1>public opinion. And just so we all understand each other, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about like overt hate speech, for for

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<v Speaker 1>God's sakes, you know what I mean? Our comments like

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<v Speaker 1>that intentionally demean or dehumanize anybody that that ship has

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<v Speaker 1>never been cool. I'm talking about just honest and innocent

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<v Speaker 1>slips of the tongue, like those times when your mouth

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<v Speaker 1>moves before your brain can edit for context, um or

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<v Speaker 1>what used to be called sticking your foot in your mouth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean for if we're being honest based on

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<v Speaker 1>on response, we've gotten to a few select pests segments

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. Um, we've we've put our foot in

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<v Speaker 1>our mouths here on Bend a few times, absolutely absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have at least tried to own in a

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<v Speaker 1>tone for those publicly when we do them. And and

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who who speaks to a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in a big format for at least part

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<v Speaker 1>of my living, this is something I think about a

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<v Speaker 1>lot because it's kind of always there on your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But anyway, we're we're not We're not actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend the remainder of the show dissecting how

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<v Speaker 1>or why our culture has become so pitched against itself

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<v Speaker 1>that one ill shaped phrase can lead to social unrest. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not. There are plenty of other podcasts that you

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<v Speaker 1>can turn to for that, Because this is a phishing

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<v Speaker 1>show damn it, and at least in most cases, right,

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<v Speaker 1>phishing boats remain relative safe spaces, places where you can

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<v Speaker 1>just let down your guard a little and be yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>even if that means saying something just monumentally stupid. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on most fishing boats doing so just it

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<v Speaker 1>will result in ball busting. And I believe in the

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<v Speaker 1>power of ball busting among buddies. That is what. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I do well, just good natured ridicule.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's how I show affection. Right. If I don't

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of you from time to time, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>don't like you. And people don't get that very concept anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like men, I I make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of you because I love you. And if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't make fun of you, it's because I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about you enough exactly. You are not you are

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<v Speaker 1>not worth me coming up with some really good freaking material,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And you're not worth me trying to change

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<v Speaker 1>your mind or your way of thinking by giving you

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time. And you may have noticed, Joe and

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<v Speaker 1>I like you and I we pitch each other ship

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<v Speaker 1>because we respect and like each other. Right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>would say I would move on that. I'd just say

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<v Speaker 1>a solid thirty to forty percent of my interactions with

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, the person whom I love and adore more

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<v Speaker 1>than anyone else on the planet, involve us giving each

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<v Speaker 1>other a hard time. That's what we do. And similarly,

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute best days of fishing are the ones where

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<v Speaker 1>you're free to be an idiot and get called out

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<v Speaker 1>on it by your buddies. I don't mind being wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't mind being told I'm wrong or being

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<v Speaker 1>made fun of for being wrong, so long is there's

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<v Speaker 1>someone there to lovingly but mercilessly set me straight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm an idiot on a daily basis, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put my foot in my mouth daily. I did,

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<v Speaker 1>And I can think of a million stories of the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of jovial like ball busting that that you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, that's what makes fishing so great though, ironically, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think my worst defense is actually a much more

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<v Speaker 1>literal foot in mouth, right, And I like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>what comes to mind first, because it's you know, put

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<v Speaker 1>your foot in your mouth is our loose them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the worst defense I can think of. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a trip in Key West years ago with a huge

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<v Speaker 1>group of writers. You've been on some of these, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a ton of people there and you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know all of them, right, And because you like, these

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<v Speaker 1>are your colleagues in the sort of rarefied air, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to screw that up, you don't. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like that guy's been here for five days

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure what he does or who he

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<v Speaker 1>works for, but he's here. Um So anyway, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I end I ended up on a boat that was

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<v Speaker 1>going pothole and for Barracuda's Big Ones, right, which is

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<v Speaker 1>insanely fun, something I haven't done in years. Super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And as as those trips tend to go, there's

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<v Speaker 1>often a rotten real sponsor. So the dude I was

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<v Speaker 1>paired with that morning, right, I had seen him he

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<v Speaker 1>was at dinner, but we hadn't spoken, so he just

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<v Speaker 1>introduced himself, told me his name, we shook hands. I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea who he was. And the first kuda

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<v Speaker 1>I hooked just smoked the reel I was using, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just took a ripping run almost to the to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the line, right, and then the real just

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<v Speaker 1>locked up and there was no turning it right. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was the company's new hot ship in shore series

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be super tough, and this little

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<v Speaker 1>baitcaster just disintegrated and I just blurted out, Wow, how

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<v Speaker 1>about this piece of ship. Yeah, the dude was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who designed it. He was the designer of the

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<v Speaker 1>real and I had no clue. And the captain was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>and he awkwardly, This poor guy, he just awkwardly spent

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of that day explaining to me why that

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<v Speaker 1>one must have been a lemon bed for both of you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was something not exactly the kind of thing you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, but I just like it was an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to tell that story. I think that's a good example

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<v Speaker 1>of the foot in the mouth. Though you were justified

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, and he's wrong. I'm I'm gonna wager, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that you are not going to publicly tell what company them. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to tell you which it was. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you which it wasn't thought fishing. No such problems

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<v Speaker 1>with those reels for me yet. A matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I just posted a shot kind of why I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why so many people liked it that I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>they did. But I posted a shot on Instagram of

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<v Speaker 1>my my neon green inception SZ just all gunked up

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<v Speaker 1>right with two seasons worth of just duck weed and

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<v Speaker 1>mung from snakehead fishing. And I haven't had a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that real yet. I haven't cleaned it. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>doing its thing despite just like the layers of caked

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<v Speaker 1>on goop no there, I'd say, they're like, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>the time X of fishing reels. It takes licking and

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<v Speaker 1>keeps on picking. And our friends over at thirteen Fishing

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate all of you listeners out there is so much.

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<v Speaker 1>This is big. They are offering you an exclusive forty

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<v Speaker 1>percent discount on your next order just for bad listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a five percent like we give you.

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<v Speaker 1>and score yourself a sweet deal. It's a really sweet deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We love deals. You love deals. And I know someone

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<v Speaker 1>else who appreciates a sweet deal. That would be Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>good buddy. And while I angler extraordinaire Ross Robertson, he's

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<v Speaker 1>exceptionally skilled when it comes to inserting his lower extremities

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<v Speaker 1>into his orifice. I realized we just heard from him

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<v Speaker 1>in a tackle Hacks not too long ago. But this

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<v Speaker 1>smooth move, it just fit our the SEMs so perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll all have to suffer through him again. Why, hey, guests,

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<v Speaker 1>who's here today? Captain Ross Robertson? While I anger extraordinaire,

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<v Speaker 1>dear dear friend of mine? Guess who's back? And guess

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<v Speaker 1>where he is? He's sitting directly across from me. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to know why? Because we are in Ohio at present,

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<v Speaker 1>in your and your like little domain here filming an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of dost Boat season three, and we're all we're

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<v Speaker 1>all staying. The whole crew is staying together in this

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<v Speaker 1>really bizarre house. So I thought, why not? Why not

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<v Speaker 1>set up the mics, Joe, This is a cross between

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<v Speaker 1>poor Man's real world and a bad frat house. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I feel. It's a huge house that sleeps like

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred, but I don't know. It feels like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like multiple houses sort of glue together. What they what

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<v Speaker 1>they give us in beds, they take away in ceiling height,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very a lot of angles, low ceilings. That

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<v Speaker 1>door I'm looking at, there's a shower in here that

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<v Speaker 1>no human taller than five feet could stand upright. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's the child shower. This door here, whoever the carpenter,

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<v Speaker 1>if he did an amazing job making a triangle door.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not here to talk about the house, though. We're

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<v Speaker 1>here because it's always more fun to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>one on one. The look on your face, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>because you wear the smooth moves king like you live

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<v Speaker 1>to like you know, you live to ship talk people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't it's that ship talk as much. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you stand at Walmart, okay for like ten years, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see some stuff. Well, if you guide, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've guided on over four thousand days, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get a job at Walmart now. I'm gonna probably have,

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<v Speaker 1>especially after after this, after this breaks, oh boy. But no, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to see some stuff like things happen in

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<v Speaker 1>a boat. Man. People tell you things they don't normally

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. I mean, I've got I've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Some of them we can't really talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of them, you know. I because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to call anybody out individually, but this one here,

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<v Speaker 1>But didn't you also tell me that You've had clients

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<v Speaker 1>who've heard bent and smooth moves and been like, can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell them the story of what happened to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yea true story, And I'm like no, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they're trying to force it all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're doing things. I'm like, no, shenanigans have to

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<v Speaker 1>happen exactly. I don't tell you went on smooth moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Your actions tell you what. I'm just curious, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you get? People say, remember that time I stuck

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<v Speaker 1>my hook of my finger, you should do the bent thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing about you know, when I started this,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about fishing, and now the media and

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<v Speaker 1>socials and people want to be insta stuff, and you go,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just different. You know. People are like, hey, can

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<v Speaker 1>I be like literally get in my boat. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like, hey, we can get a big ten pounder today. Ross,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, am I gonna make your insta feed today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's part of the business. It's part of

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<v Speaker 1>your business. But still at some point when you're a hardcore,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm a salty like fishing, wenot like saltwater. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying I'm I'm a grizzled working

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<v Speaker 1>on my crow's feet, getting gray hair because of situations

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm about to tell you, well, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>last time we had you on for smooth Moves, that

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<v Speaker 1>was when the drunk guy choked out a toy poodle

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<v Speaker 1>in a parking lot. So let's say what I lay

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<v Speaker 1>it on me? Man, what do you got this time?

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<v Speaker 1>This one, we're going to entitle hypocrisy. Okay, so some

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<v Speaker 1>people may get offended on this, but this has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with anyone's profession. But I'm just I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I have to bring it up because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little hypocrisy, you know. All Right, So I have a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who I've known someone in his family forever, calls

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<v Speaker 1>me and says, hey, I have a UM, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what the proper term would be. Let's call

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<v Speaker 1>him a priest, okay, because wait, wait wait yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So he's somebody that's kind of like a priest or.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making a joke, and he is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what your religion is, because I'm gonna keep

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<v Speaker 1>this very vague, a pastor. Maybe if you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>different religion, it doesn't matter any rate. Guy calls me

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<v Speaker 1>and says, hey, man, I've got this guy and he's

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<v Speaker 1>my he's my pastor or whatever again irrelevant, And he

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<v Speaker 1>says he's got me through some stuff in life and

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<v Speaker 1>he's just you know, he's always kind of gone above beyond,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we I want to take the guy fishing,

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<v Speaker 1>like he hasn't done the fishing things nice, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be moving around. This guy just hasn't you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't gotten to do the fishing that he used to write.

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<v Speaker 1>So he said, hey, I want to take a trip

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<v Speaker 1>for him. I'm like cool, And again to me, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter, right, but it's always good to get good

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<v Speaker 1>people in the boat. You know, at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>my career, have the only thing dons like I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of week that out pretty quick if I can. So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be the biggest a hole in the boat,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Yeah I do, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that it didn't happen to us boat. But anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal. This guy. We're out here and

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<v Speaker 1>I explained to him it's not a prime time, but

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<v Speaker 1>I got a deep bite go on, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>catching some pretty good fish. But it's it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a grinder. I said, So you guys want

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<v Speaker 1>to just go for the little eaters or do we

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to get some picture takers. But the

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<v Speaker 1>picture takers are going to be like, you gotta pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta listen. This is a different deal there. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>we're controlled fishing. Bottom. Of course, I rarely ever ever

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<v Speaker 1>have anybody go let's go fish for the little ones.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, hey, we're going, you know, like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>miles this way or ten miles that way, Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing both, So you've got to make a commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>We want the big ones. Okay, perfect. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>fishing for a little fish either, so but I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a lot more work for me. So

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<v Speaker 1>we get out there, and I realized real quick, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys wanna have fun, but to make this to execute,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really listening real good. So you start with like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you kind of keep amping it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, the guy says to me at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>because we lose a couple of fish, and I mumble

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<v Speaker 1>under my breath like because again, you know, I when

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<v Speaker 1>we lose a fish. I want everybody have fun being serious,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're fishing with a captain or because I

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<v Speaker 1>fish with guides, you know, I go down saltwater and

0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I fish with a child, Like if that captain when

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<v Speaker 1>we lose like a trophy fish, was it like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like this guy. I'm a guy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, now you don't have to sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>tissy fit. I get it. But yet, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>give a ship at that point, like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>make your point known that like you worked hard, like

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<v Speaker 1>I just put you on them. It's hard, Like you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like trophy deer hunting. You're not. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have class deer coming because you're eating mountain

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<v Speaker 1>dewing donuts And like, dude, I yeah, we'll get the

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<v Speaker 1>next one. Yeah. Like and when I hear that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get the next one, I want to choke slash somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't say anything. So like these guys are losing

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of fish to your little few f bombs

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<v Speaker 1>out under my breath, like because because again we lost

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<v Speaker 1>a few fish that I'm like, man, I know those

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<v Speaker 1>were great, those were good fish, right, I just just

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<v Speaker 1>what I do. I know it, and I uh. He starts, he'saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really wish you'd clean up your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>And I tell me, you know what, You're right, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you aren't wrong. I said, you know what, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of things wrong. I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're you're not wrong. I said, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what here, I said, that's the worst case scenario thing

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I said, I'll try to clean up for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I say to him, so what do you do

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<v Speaker 1>for a living? I'm a pastor? And I'm like, oh right,

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<v Speaker 1>So now I'm starting to understand things. Well, yes, not

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<v Speaker 1>not that you have to be a pastor. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could be a school teacher. I mean, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what you do. Work in a factory, doesn't matter. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>just trust people that don't curse. I'm with you, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to, don't I'd have to be. But

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, long story short. This guy gets on the

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<v Speaker 1>second fish like and it goes and I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lie to you. I would never say this, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>until that's a much time has passed. I know immediately

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<v Speaker 1>this is the one. This is either a sheep head,

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<v Speaker 1>a catfish, or a giant wall you know, me and

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<v Speaker 1>you have had this in person. And this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>just going guerrilla mode. You know, I'm always joking with

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<v Speaker 1>you to slow down reeling. I mean, he's got Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Dance on his mind. I mean he's whipping that rod

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<v Speaker 1>left right. I mean, like you just thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>bumping around stumps, even though we're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere water, right. So we get close and now this

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<v Speaker 1>fish dude is straight up and down. Well it gets

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<v Speaker 1>up a little farther Joe, and it looks like an

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<v Speaker 1>Orco whale, and I see the white belly and I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>walle dude, I'm telling you, straight up, thirty plus centure

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<v Speaker 1>if it's an inch giant, I physically have to reach

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<v Speaker 1>over and grab the rod and reel about three ft

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<v Speaker 1>up because this dude is trying to just reef right,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's trying to rip the rod up like like

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<v Speaker 1>a stand up tuna deal like. And I'm like, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's no time to really talk, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. This this is like trying to tell somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to stop at a stop, like you just you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>kind of roll with at some point, no more directions.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not listening anyhow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And before I

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<v Speaker 1>tell only fire that, I just want to let you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like this guy had told me like three times, like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, you know this is how you need to

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<v Speaker 1>live your life. You know this is you know you

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<v Speaker 1>don't curse and you know you need to be this

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<v Speaker 1>guy and everything. And so I'm kind of joshing a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit because again he's a client, but I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not listening to me, so I'm not listening

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<v Speaker 1>to you. And so now we're at the point that

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<v Speaker 1>the sinker is in the rod tip. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>say in the drawd tip, he waned the sinker into

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<v Speaker 1>the rod tip. But I've got like a seven ft

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<v Speaker 1>leader and this thing is seven ft straight down. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't quite get it yet, and I'm telling him to

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<v Speaker 1>just stop. Really he's still trying to rewind the sinker

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<v Speaker 1>into the rod tip. And now you just play as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you play him out like at some point

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<v Speaker 1>they just kind of come up. I'm laing to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fish makes a little run. It can't get

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<v Speaker 1>out like it wants to go. So I reach over

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to break the sinker out of the

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<v Speaker 1>rod tip and he's like, what are you doing? What

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing? And I'm like almost had him. I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this fish is like, this fish is not ready to go,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a giant. So I keep pulling line out

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<v Speaker 1>and given this thing just he's green. And so now

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<v Speaker 1>this fish is under the boat and I can't net

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<v Speaker 1>it till it's like right there. So all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes forget this, I got it, grabs that rod

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<v Speaker 1>like three ft up and dude pulls. He pulls like

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<v Speaker 1>he is trying to like pull a young girl out

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<v Speaker 1>of a well that has been in it for like drowning. God,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sinker hits the bottom of my boat, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounded like a shotgun go off, and right

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<v Speaker 1>there at the bottom of the boat, I'm gonna guess

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet. I watched this thing swim away like I

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<v Speaker 1>love seeing him swim away like that. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>love your Instagram pictures like touch it, Like there's something

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<v Speaker 1>like the like a saltwater guy touched the leader. You know, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let him go because I don't keep those, but you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get a picture you want him to get

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<v Speaker 1>a picture. You know, it's the biggest fish. While I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that's an accomplishment. As all of this is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>he realizes that the fish is gone. He takes the

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<v Speaker 1>rod over his fucking knee and breaks it into and

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<v Speaker 1>says mother, and he just starts screaming, you sign a bitch, mother?

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<v Speaker 1>What the and just going off. Me and the other

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<v Speaker 1>guy are just standing there looking at him, like what

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<v Speaker 1>just happened? And I just looked at the guy and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, hypocrisy much And He's like he was, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he was out of his mind. And then he like

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<v Speaker 1>stopped and looked at me like he realized what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, oh my god, I'll buy the rod.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go, oh, oh yeah you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks thanks for confirming I'm blocking your car in the

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot. And I'm like, I'm like, you know, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, that one f bomb when we

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<v Speaker 1>lost the other fish, I feel like this is worth

0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:43.800
<v Speaker 1>two or three more, dude. It was. It was. It

0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't funny, but it was funny because obviously I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get that fishing. I don't care if the guy

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<v Speaker 1>is a great guy or a jackass. Like to see

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<v Speaker 1>that happen, it's heartbreaking, but it just goes to show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you can't do whatever you want and

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<v Speaker 1>get a fish in. I mean, I know you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people that are our guide clients,

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<v Speaker 1>just like hey Man Ross always catches him like we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get them in. It's like, you still got to do

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the fundamentals. If you throw one over your head playing basketball,

0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna make it in the hoop, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. You gotta do the simple things to

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<v Speaker 1>get it in. And he didn't understand. Okay, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell this one. He set me up too well because

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<v Speaker 1>I have a very similar guiding story. I had this.

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<v Speaker 1>I had this group of guys who would book a

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<v Speaker 1>multi day trip with me every year, and and the core,

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<v Speaker 1>like the core crew consisted of four gentlemen, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they would usually bring another two to four friends to

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<v Speaker 1>round out the party that would rotate. And yeah, exactly

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly the ones you don't know, yep. Now, I gotta

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 1>say these are solid, reputable Southern gentlemen, and they fished

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<v Speaker 1>with me a lot. They would do different kinds of

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.080
<v Speaker 1>trips each year. They would often have one or two

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<v Speaker 1>family trips where they brought spouses and children, and those

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty tame. They're like buttoned up, you know, But

0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 1>on the annual guys trip, the tone was just more irreverent.

0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 1>The beer, wine, and whiskey usually started flowing around ten

0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 1>am or so, and nobody ever got visibly drunk or obnoxious.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun and there was there was plenty of

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.040
<v Speaker 1>colorful language tossed around. So I'm guiding the first day

0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of one of these guys trips and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>anglers in my boat is a regular, a guy i've

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<v Speaker 1>guided for over a decade. The other was a new

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<v Speaker 1>member of the party, someone I've never met before. But

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<v Speaker 1>I figured if he ran with this crowd, he had

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<v Speaker 1>to be just a good, laid back dude, right, sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're flowing the Upper Madison and we're catching fish

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's having a good time, and I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>my self editor set to guys trip mode, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm definitely dropping f bombs here and there when

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<v Speaker 1>I feel they urged to. And finally, just before lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked the guy who I don't know, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it that you do for work. And he

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<v Speaker 1>turns to me and says, I'm a pastor. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually the pastor at the church that all these guys attend.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God literally literally. So at that moment, like I

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<v Speaker 1>start doing a mental tally of all the things I've

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<v Speaker 1>said so far on the boat, like trying to go back, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, what have I said? And I haven't made

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<v Speaker 1>any blatantly blasphemous statements, I'm pretty sure, but I've definitely

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<v Speaker 1>been cursing consistently. So I sort of pause, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I say to the guy pastor, I'm I'm sorry if

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<v Speaker 1>I offended you with my foul language. I'll keep things

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<v Speaker 1>cleaner from here on out. And the guy the guy

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<v Speaker 1>looked at me with what I can only describe as

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<v Speaker 1>a shit eating grin on his face and just said,

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<v Speaker 1>what the are you talking about? Yes, yes, yes, beauty, beauty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as you might imagine, the whole boat broke

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<v Speaker 1>out laughter, and I'm pretty sure some beers were cracked

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<v Speaker 1>soon thereafter, And it was it was a good reminder

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that context matters. Right on the boat floating down a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful trout stream on vacation with a casual sense of ease,

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<v Speaker 1>and goodwills, permitting the air and conversation that can drop

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's defenses. Yeah, the guy is a pastor, that's his job,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not all he is. And and that day,

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment, he was just part of a group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends having a good time. I love this guy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is my kind of pastor. Like this sounds

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 1>like a good church. Like if there was a Jesus

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Christ Church of latter day, go your self, asshole, I

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<v Speaker 1>might actually attend and maybe end up in purgatory instead

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<v Speaker 1>of going straight to hell, but not before I kick

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of you in this week's fish News.

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<v Speaker 1>Fish News escalated quickly. Alright, So I gotta say congrats

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<v Speaker 1>to you, my friend. Good on you, Good on you

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<v Speaker 1>for that deep dive into the line pol hook removal

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<v Speaker 1>method a couple of weeks back, because we have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few notes from listeners that really appreciated that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's super cool because if we've even given you,

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<v Speaker 1>like just a little tiny bit more confidence to do that,

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>or made you slightly less scared of getting jab that's

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<v Speaker 1>a win. Right, So I gotta say, man, that was

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that was your episode? And then you nailed that, but

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<v Speaker 1>we also we also got some funny and informative notes

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I was surprised, I will have bit. I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised the amount of feedback we got on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we did, we did, and we don't certainly don't

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<v Speaker 1>have time to mention them all. But there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple here I've pulled that I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>shout out. Okay, so I'm gonna butcher this name. And dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but all the way from Australia, Yan Kuka,

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<v Speaker 1>I think kucha kuka something. You know who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody else We've never had another yan Okay, uh, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Yan, he wrote in And it turns out he's

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency room doctor in Australia. He says, despite all

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<v Speaker 1>the techniques available, the line pole is still the main

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<v Speaker 1>one he uses on patients because it is the least

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 1>trem mattic. And and this is interesting, this I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to know more about. He says. He's used it on hooks,

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>like all the way up to heavy gauge shark stuff.

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>That was the thing that caught how that works. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe him because he's an er doc. I'm not, but

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>he just tells his nurse like, can you get me

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the cable? Can you give me then? For because we

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>had a few people right in they were like why

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<v Speaker 1>not braid. I'm like, let me tell you why and

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, I get it right, but a shark

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<v Speaker 1>hook man, Like, what do you like? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You hook it up to the pickup truck or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But hey man, he's a doctor and

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>they're good. So there you go. It's e er doctor

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<v Speaker 1>approved the method. Um. He also um. He also backed

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<v Speaker 1>me up on using pig skin like on a pork

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>belly to practice, and he actually said pig skin can

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>be slightly tougher than human skin, so if you can

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>do it on pig skin, you'll have no problem ripping

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<v Speaker 1>them hooks out your uncle. Okay, so pigskin there, you go,

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>get yourself some big skin. Yeah, exactly. We all need

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 1>that anyway. Um. So, while I did not get a

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>last name, guide Sean from Flying Fish Outdoors said, great

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>job on the description, Miles, but you guys forgot to

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>talk after care. He's done. He's done this with clients

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<v Speaker 1>a lot and just says, hey, I always carry I

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<v Speaker 1>had dine um, and we will take the mulligan on that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good that is a good point. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, if you're if your TETNAS shots aren't up

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<v Speaker 1>to day, you should get one after you get stuck,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will sadly admit I am lax about. Like

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>I told that Tuna Loure story did not freshen up

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>my tetanas shot. And it's been three years. My jaw

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>has not locked so I think by now, But don't

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>do what I do. Do it, don't don't listen to me.

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>That was a PostScript I missed on the uncle story.

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>He did get a TETNA shot at the r I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if you go to the hospital, that's just like

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So anyway, Hope and

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<v Speaker 1>those jaw isn't locked up because he's going to be

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>judging our news stories this week yet again, because yet again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a competition, Miles, and I do not know

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>which stories the other guys bringing to the table. It

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>is your lead this week, so have at it. It

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<v Speaker 1>is And you know, I could talk about how the

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Columbia River is seeing the lowest return of summer steelhead

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>in recorded history, and the numerous groups who are calling

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>on Oregon and Washington to cancel the fall steelhead fishing

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>season this year. But if you're a Western steelhead angler,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you already know about that, and if you're not, you

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>probably don't care. I for one, will not be fishing

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>any of the Columbia system this year, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>frankly depressing as hell. And I don't feel like being

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>depressed today, Joe, So I'm not going to talk about that. Instead. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about a different native fish that's

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<v Speaker 1>been many years on the dangered list and was just

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<v Speaker 1>recently declared recovered, the snail darter. I love a good

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<v Speaker 1>snail darter, So to your point that what you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>at there, I think snail darters are are They're nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>near as glamorous as steel head, nor are they all

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<v Speaker 1>that popular with anglers unless they're into the whole micro

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<v Speaker 1>fishing thing. But damn it, I wanted a happy story,

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<v Speaker 1>So we are talking snail darters all right, night on me.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you've never heard of snail darter, they look like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of look like Gobi's. They're not, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the best way I can describe them. They're about

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<v Speaker 1>three inches long with modeled green and brown camouflage on

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<v Speaker 1>their backs. There in the perch family. Like all darters

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and and snail darters are only native to the Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>River drainage. Their primary food source is wait for it,

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<v Speaker 1>freshwater snails, you know which. My thoughts on they got

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<v Speaker 1>the name. Look, there are at least two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen recognized darter species living in the creeks, rivers, and

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>streams of the US. The only reason this particular one

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>rings a bell with anybody is because it was at

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the center of one of the very first Endangered Species

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<v Speaker 1>Act controversies. Snail darters were identified in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>the same year that the Endangered Species Act was passed

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<v Speaker 1>by Congress. They were found by a researcher who was

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<v Speaker 1>investigating the potential impacts of the Teleco damn, which was

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<v Speaker 1>in the process of being built on the Little Tennessee River.

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>In snail darters were listed as endangered, which posed a

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<v Speaker 1>potential problem for the dam. Its creation would destroy much

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of the snail darters remaining habitat, which was theoretically prohibited

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<v Speaker 1>under the National Environmental Protection Act. This was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first significant tests of America's newly codified commitment to

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<v Speaker 1>environmental protection. The dam had been in various stages of

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>planning since ninety six. In the late sixties, the project

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>game momentum and funding. The idea behind this dam was

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to create a reservoir that would bring economic stimulus in

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the form of recreation to an area that was stagnant

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and mostly destitute. Teleco is not a hydroelectric dam. It's

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<v Speaker 1>only there to create a lake, to increase property values

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<v Speaker 1>and make kind of a seemingly unpleasant valley into a

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<v Speaker 1>more attractive place for homeowners in vases, some more water,

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<v Speaker 1>skis and whatnot exactly, and and lakefront property. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an expensive project based on the hopes that it would

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>magically transform this area into a quote recreation wonderland. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time the Snail Darter was listed under the essay,

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the dam was already seventy percent completed, the money had

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<v Speaker 1>been appropriated, and the promise of economic vitality for the

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>area felt imminent. Both the House and the Senate strongly

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<v Speaker 1>opposed stopping the dam, and for the first time, though

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not the last, the legislative branch of the government

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>confronted the real tension between economic development and protecting native habitat.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy six, a law student at the University

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee brought a citizen case against the Tennessee Valley Authority,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that the construction of the dam violated the s

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<v Speaker 1>A and seeking an adjunction to halt the Damns construction.

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<v Speaker 1>The case was batted around various lower courts. Just about

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<v Speaker 1>every judge who heard the case recognized that the Damn

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<v Speaker 1>represented a real threat to the snail darter, but stopped

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>short of shutting down the dam. In seven, the Sixth

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Circuit Court of Appeals did finally issue the injunction, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Damn construction came to a screeching halt when it

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was finished. This tiny little fish that nobody knew about

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and frankly very few people cared about, and to derail

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a public works project that had been planned for over

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>four decades just before completion. The case then became the

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>first Supreme Court challenge to the Endangered Species Act. The

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Valley Authority argued that the government had already spent

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a hundred million dollars on the project, and that an

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>exception to the essay should be made in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawyers for the t v A also pointed out that

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<v Speaker 1>Congress had continued to appropriate money for the project after

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<v Speaker 1>learning that it would harm the lowly snail darter, and

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<v Speaker 1>argued that in doing so, Congress had implicitly repealed the

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Endangered Species Act completely. Had the Supreme Court agreed with

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<v Speaker 1>the defense in this case, the e s A would

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>have been gutted and gone in But that's not what happened.

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court disagreed and upheld the legality of the

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>injunction and the validity of the essay. But the fight

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 1>over economic development and the preservation of intact ecosystems that

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>were still in the middle of today. It was just

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>getting started just because of this case. In seventy eight,

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Congress amended the es A and brought quote some flexibility

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>into the Endangered Species Act. They also created an Endangered

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Species Committee, which still exists today, sometimes referred to as

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the God Committee, and gave that committee the power to

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<v Speaker 1>push through projects that violated the e s A if

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>their broader economic value was sufficient to justify the costs.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>When that committee looked at Teleco, Damn in the unanimously

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>denied an exemption, but not because of the snail darter,

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>purely on economic factors. Turns out Teleco DAMN was gonna

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.959
<v Speaker 1>cost over seven million dollars a year to maintain and

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was expected to only generate about six million annually in

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>economic stimulus. It would also put forty million dollars worth

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of agricultural land underwater. Boom and a story right, Damn's

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>on economic policy and environmental policy that just happened overlap.

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wins no, that that's not what happened at all.

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Later that year, Senate and congressional representatives from Tennessee attached

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the rider to a national appropriations bill mandating the completion

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>of Teleco Dam and later that year the reservoir began

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>to fill. All sounds bad, but as I told you

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>in the lead of this story, it's not because the

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>snail darter gets happy. Ending the fish were transplanted to

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>various tributaries of the Tennessee River from which they had

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>been previously extirpated. The t v A also worked really

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 1>closely with state management agencies to improve river flows and

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 1>oxygen nation levels across multiple dams on the whole Tennessee

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>River system. In order to improve habitat in the main Stem,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and a week ago the fish were declared recovered. These fish,

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah right. These fish may be small, and we as

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>anglers may not care about them, but they represent a

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>watershed moment in the values of our nation. The congressional

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>battle over Teleco Damn was the first time that the

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>words environmental extremist were uttered on the floor of the House.

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 1>It was the first time Americans had to confront the very,

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>very significant opposition between development and the fish, wildlife, and

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>ecosystems we claim to care about. Now. I started the

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>whole story by saying I wouldn't talk about the state

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of Columbia River steelhead, but I changed my mind. We

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>need to learn from our past, and even though I

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 1>think the snail darter is a cautionary tale in many ways,

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it's also ultimately a success story. If we can find

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 1>the will to protect and even rehabilitate snail darters fish

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>with essentially zero advocates, we damn sure ought to be

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>able to do the same for steelhead, one of North

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>America's most iconic fish. Doing so is going to require sacrifices.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>That's just the the fact it will. It's going to

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 1>require sacrifice from industry, from power generators, from agriculture, from homeowners,

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>and from anglers. Collective sacrifice is the only way we

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>get big ship done. But we are capable, I believe

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>of both sacrifice and achievement. So let's kind of let's

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>get this going. Let's move from the snail darters to

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the steel head. Let's get something going. Guys. I would

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>very much like to agree that we all have that

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>in this, but I just I can't. I can't help

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>but keep going back to the fact in this one

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>that it was ultimately squashed because the state wasn't going

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to make enough money off the recreation, right. I mean,

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's still the main driver, and like there

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>was something you said that you know, they they they

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of proposed this as a recreational wonder land. I

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>think if we could just anytime somebody says we should

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 1>do this because it will be a recreational wonder land,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that should be the thing that stops us from doing it,

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like this story has happened out like

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>look at the Sultan Sea, like as an example, California,

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, one day Sinatras they're having

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>in mind tie next thing. You know, it's a barren

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>waste land. So like a lot of these things, I

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>just don't think work out anyway. Um. I mean, I'm happy.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy for the for the fish, and you would

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>think it would be easier for fish we care more

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>about because you can also measure the economic impact of

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>steelhead and what money they bring in. So I told

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that story, I mean one like, I did really want

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>to go with something positive, but I feel like it's

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really emblematic of a lot of the

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>fights that we run into. And the fact that it

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was the first Supreme Court challenge to the ESA is

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>worthy of noting. And it was over this fish, right,

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and look in the end, the damn one out right,

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the Congressional pork one. But we still found a way collectively,

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>through many, many years and a lot of money to

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>bring these fish back. So I'm not I'm not saying

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that the way that it was handled with the snail

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>dre like, let's use that as a blueprint for bring

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>back steelhead. That's not the point I'm trying to make.

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to make is if we can pull

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it off with those fish in those circumstances, come on,

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>there's gotta be a way that we can balance all

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the different needs to keep Steelhead coming back. You're right,

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and it is out there somewhere, and you've done a

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.399
<v Speaker 1>story here on sort of a resurrection, something something coming back.

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna use that to transition into my

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 1>first story. Though. It's so funny because you kick this

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>off with like sort of a fake out story and

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even lying right there that I was actually

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>going to use this story with this headline. This is

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 1>a real one from this week newest worry. Experts say

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>friendly dolphin in Cornwall could kill people or be killed.

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But me and my anti dolphin league have already proven

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you so wrong that I passed. I'm like, why drive

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>this point home any further. Okay, I don't need to

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 1>hear any more about the dolphin hate, but I'm still

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn it on your turf a little bit here

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>because it was you, not me, that already informed are

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>adience about David DeLong. Does that name ring a bell?

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It does so. DeLong was credited as the first guy

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>in the country to create a plastic worm, and you

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.359
<v Speaker 1>talked about him right in the end of the line

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>segment about cream worms, which sort of overshadowed DeLong, like

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 1>they kind of stole his thing a little bit. Well,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>according to this story on Ohio's w k y C

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>dot com, the DeLong Lower Company is reopening after being

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 1>closed for a decade and the new owners are setting

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>up shop just outside of Akron, Ohio, where DeLong got

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>its start. Now this is significant because right after World

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>War Two, a lot of people don't know this Acron,

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 1>of all places, was actually a huge hub of tackle manufacturing. Right.

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Not only not only did DeLong set up shop there

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>after pouring that first rubber worm, kind of getting it

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>right there in Acron was also home to Flugger back

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 1>in those days, Arbi gassed Um as well as as

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>as the Cream family and there Orm operation, which again

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of had a better marketing strategy then DeLong. But

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>what many people may not even realize is that the

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>long lures lasted for a very long time. In fact,

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>early in my career, I remember getting my hands on

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>some DeLong eels right that I think a lot of

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>people didn't even realize they made. That had like a

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>little niche thing going here in the striper scene. Um,

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>they are making again. I saw it on their website,

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a five inch killer Sandy l It's k I L

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>R sandyal and man. Back in the day, that was

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>one hell of a surfcasting teaser for the fall when

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the bass were on sand els Um. And yet I've

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>been out of those four years, Like I saw that

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and almost forgot they existed. I was like, oh my god,

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the killer eel. So I'm excited. Right. So it's shut

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>down ten years ago, but new owners, Steven Ziegler and

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Futrelle, bought the business back in May, and while

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>they fully understand the risk in this, they're hopeful that

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>they can make a go of it. And that's a

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>very historical company. And here's why I think they have

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>a shot. You know how vintage is very in right now,

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>right everybody loves vintage, and how sometimes you know something

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that that's old has the tendency to become new again. Well,

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in fishing, we're always looking for the latest and greatest

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and coolest and most modern. But if you look on

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Delong's website, they're keeping it really o g. Most of

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>what they make is pre rigged, and pre riggedlors have

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 1>caught piles of fish for decades, but nobody really uses

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>them anymore. That's that's not an in thing at all.

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Similar to the cream worm, same deal. Um. So what

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you have though, you have this cool vintage appeal, But

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>now they're made with a little bit more modern plastic

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>than the old stuff. Right there, they're cranking out more

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>modern colors. Um. And you know, generations of anglers have

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>already proven that you can catch the hell out of

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>fish on a lot of this old school pre rig stuff.

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So not only are they making all kinds of of

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>pre rigged bass worms, they've got some salty stuff and

0:41:55.880 --> 0:42:00.399
<v Speaker 1>some pretty neat pan fish slash ice offerings, really cool

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>pre rigged tiny old school stuff including uh and and

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe somebody else makes this and I don't know about it,

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>but I've never seen it. They're making soft plastic fish

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>eyeballs for places where you can't use a real fish,

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 1>I like on the ice for panfish. Um. And I'll

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>tell you what I dude, I'm grabbing some of this

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff because I think it's retro and cool, and nobody

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.439
<v Speaker 1>out there can say, like, yeah, but that stuff doesn't work.

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>It's been working since nineteen So I I really I

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>love the resurrection angle there. I really hope these guys

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>can make a go with DeLong um again. It's like

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.240
<v Speaker 1>what's old is new? This is actually this has been around,

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>but if you go look at some of this stuff,

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it's very different compared to what's out there now, and

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>we want different. So I think it's got some legs.

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 1>You know. No, that's that's really interesting, And I agree

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>with you. I think this. You know, it depends on

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>how the businesses managed and marketed and handle, but I

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>think this could absolutely work. I would I would say

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that tackle manufacturing happens to be a growth industry right now.

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh so the guys timed it pretty well. Yeah, But

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>they're even making stuff like that that you just don't

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>see anymore. Like remember when we were kids, you'd buy

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a rubber frog that would come pre rigged on the

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>hook with the wire flipped down weed guards that they're

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>making trailers frogs with those hooks already in them. But

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>they were terrible. They were lifeless, right, They had that

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.760
<v Speaker 1>pre rigging thing, but those old ones were just molded

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>plastic that didn't move, So you're just dragging a lifeless

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>frog around. That's the thing where I think that the

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>new owners recognize, like, how do we mix what worked

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>old school and what people recognize remember and and sort

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of upgrade that. So I don't remember off the top

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of my head, but they're called but they're making they're

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>making frogs with the old school rigged weedless hook but

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>now they've got some legs that look like they're gonna move.

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>And it's pretty cool, wacky colors and all kinds of stuff.

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>It's worth at least checking out. I think it's cool.

0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>You were talking about an old technology and fish, and

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk about a new technology easy. I went

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>really long on my first story, so I'm keeping this

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.800
<v Speaker 1>one short. And for those of you been listening for

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a while, you might remember around a year ago, I

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:18.439
<v Speaker 1>was on this kick about bioengineering, specifically how fish could

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 1>help engineers design all kinds of new technology, from cloaking

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 1>devices to super armored, two more efficient battleships, predators suits totally,

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and I moved away from those kinds of stories because

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I felt like people might be getting tired of them.

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.240
<v Speaker 1>But it's been a while, so I'm gonna I'm gonna

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>bring one back. The same researcher who did the study

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>on incorporating carp scale design into body armor. Remember that

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>one so same guy recently published a paper looking into

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:54.439
<v Speaker 1>the engineering intricacies of fish fins, which I hadn't thought about,

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but makes sense. That's why they have that job and

0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 1>not me. Researchers have long known that fish fins are

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>incredibly effective and efficient, allowing fish to navigate and maneuver

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>underwater quickly, precisely, and with minimal energy expenditure, but they

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand the specific mechanisms that make fins such fine instruments.

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>The details of this get a little walky even for me,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>but the short of it is that their structures combine

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>rigidity and flexibility. Makes sense, Yeah, yeah. Fins are made

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 1>up of any number of rays right, what some people

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 1>call spines, with fleshy webbing in between those rays, and

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>fish can manipulate the individual rays within the same fin independently,

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>given them very precise control m h. Each ray in

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a fin is made up of multiple segments of hard

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>material that stack on top of much softer collagen, making

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 1>them the perfect balance between bouncy and stiff. According to

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Francois bart a lot. I could get off on a

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 1>joke with that comment, I know. According to lead Authrough

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the study quote, until recently the function of those segments

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been clear, so he dug in to figure out

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.439
<v Speaker 1>what exactly those segments do. He told Science Daily, all

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of the segments essentially create these tiny hinges along the

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 1>ray or the spine. When you try to compress or

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>pull on those bony layers, they have a very high stiffness.

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>This is critical for the raid to resist and produce

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 1>hydrodynamic forces that push on water. But if you try

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to bend individual bony layers, they're very compliant, and that

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>part is critical for the rays to deform easily from

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the base muscles. Barth. The Latin team have successfully recreated

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>as as complicated all that sounds to me, I I

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 1>just the way I picture it is like tons of

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>tiny little hinges within the ray, Like they are a

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 1>bunch of really stiff small pieces connected with collagen stack

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>up into a ray. That's how I pictured in my head.

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I I'm with you. It's it's heavy and interesting. What

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 1>are we making out of it? What are we making

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>out of well? So the team have successfully recreated fin

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 1>structures that incorporate all those hinges with a three d printer,

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>so they're actually recreating them in plastic. The kind of work.

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>So they're moving along, and the hope is that this

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>technology will inform both aircraft and submersible designs. So like,

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 1>take a second, imagine a drone with wings that have

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the dynamic capacity for subtle adjustment like a fish is

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>fin right, So it's like a design like that. It

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is probably a long way out, but it could completely

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 1>transform aviation. So when Amazon drones start delivering groceries and

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 1>spying through your windows, their wings might look just a

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 1>whole lot like fish fins. Bring that up all this

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the Amazon. I couldn't help myself, I know,

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I know, Well it's it's a drone. I might not

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>crash too so far that's uh, that hasn't existed. Hard

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 1>to do. I think that's fascinating. Man. We've had a

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of good ones. Remember the shark skin on the

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 1>bottom of boats to make the more efficient in the water.

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 1>So at least this is going to aviation and submersible

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>technology like not you know, I don't know a swift

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>or sweeper that like we'll get under your couch without

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you bending over or anything like that. You know, well

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I would too with fish fin technology. UM. Always fascinated

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>by these man. You know, there's been a lot of

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>things that we claim we can borrow from fish to

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>make our lives better. I wonder, like, thirty years from now,

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>how like how much will this will be just common?

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, between the armor and the fins, Like,

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>how much of this are we really going to see?

0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Remember the one we did on on the potentially biodegradable

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.359
<v Speaker 1>plastic made out of fish carcasses. Yes, that would be great.

0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to see that. Yeah. Yeah, Well, no matter

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 1>no matter how smart the people are coming up with

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 1>all these things we can we can we can do

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>with fish carcasses and whatnot. Um, I I still don't

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>think they're going to impress Peter very much. And I

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>would I would like to say before I begin this,

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 1>uh this last story, that I go out of my

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:26.439
<v Speaker 1>way to like really never give any press to Peter,

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 1>but today I have to. And I'm sorry because this

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>is just too much fun and and and too much us.

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I think we'll have a little bit of a good

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 1>time here. So we've taken some pretty deep dives on

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the show about birds wrapped in fishing, line right, And

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>what we ultimately agree on is that you you need

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a steward out there. I think most of

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you people listening are, and while certain things are going

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>to happen that we can't easily fix a remedy, we

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>make the effort to not leave mono lying around or

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, get that lore or fly out of a

0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>tree if possible, and so on. Nobody, including us, wants

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to see birds wrapped up in fishing line. Okay, well,

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>last week Peter thought, hey, you know, Labor Day weekend

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.840
<v Speaker 1>long weekend is fast approaching. Families might be thinking about

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>using that long weekend to fish, so we best hustle

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>up and put out some fresh anti fishing propaganda and

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 1>change some minds. But this time, rather than go with

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the your dad's a murderer cruelty to fish angle that

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think worked very well for them over

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the years, now it's birds getting wrapped in fishing line

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that is now the main reason you should never, ever,

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>not ever once go fishing. And basically now they're saying, well,

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:44.760
<v Speaker 1>if you fish, clearly you also give zero shits about

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the health of birds in our environment. So wait, because

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the punch lines still coming. So they released a video

0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of PETA team in full PETA uniform responding to a

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.120
<v Speaker 1>call that looks like it's a Pea T shirt. Okay,

0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 1>can you It was like like a furry costume was

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:11.399
<v Speaker 1>picturing like a furry convention, so so much better. It's

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 1>really just a Pea T shirt and hat. Alright, alright,

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to be a little dramatic, you know. So they're

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in the full PETA uniform responding to a call about

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a blue heron hanging from a tree via discarded fishing line,

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and of course, as you can imagine, it's very sad music.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 1>They went back to the Sarah McLaughlin deal. It's very downer.

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>And in the story it says quote while they were

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 1>able to paddle to the scene and free the heron,

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the badly injured bird died on the way to emergency

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>veterinary care, and countless other animals endure similar fates as

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.799
<v Speaker 1>a result of discarded fishing tackle. Now I watched this

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>video and they did not paddle all the way to

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.919
<v Speaker 1>the bird. The opening scenes are the crew in said

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>PETA uniforms loading their kayak onto a small center console

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 1>boat that is brimming with rigged fishing rods, which suggests

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to me that they leaned on some local angler or

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 1>charter captain to get them and their kayak to the

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>entangled heron. Now, isn't Here's what I'm saying, right, whoever

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>owns that boat, whoever that guy is, I don't fault him. Right,

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Like if someone said to me, like I was coming

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>into the dock and they were like, hey, dude, there's

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a burden trouble we want to save it. Can you

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>give us a lift? I'd say, yeah, sure, you know

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like, no problem, Like again, all four

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>saving birds don't want to see bad things happen to birds.

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>But is it just me? Or is the hypocrisy a

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>little strong there? You know what I mean? Like the

0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>organization comes down so fiercely on anglers. I would just

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>assume they wouldn't even give someone who fishes the time

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:01.839
<v Speaker 1>him of day, you know what I mean? Now, Like

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe one rod, fine, Peter can look the other way.

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 1>A guy with one rod might just be like a

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit horrible. But but this happened in Virginia, and

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I I know some Virginia boys. I got some Virginia friends.

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And most of the time when you've got six fairly

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>heavy rods rigged and ready on the bow, like you're

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 1>angling to put some reds or flounder or cats or

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 1>croakers in the damn cooler. And according to Peter in

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>their own story, by their own words, such people quote

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>hook gentle animals through their sensitive amounts, watch them slowly suffocate,

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes even gut them while they're still alive. Okay,

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>they used to pull the hog out and they used

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>to eat it, your hypocrites, ohyah. So so maybe the

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 1>average non angler wouldn't have caught that, but I did.

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 1>I saw it, Peter, And shame on you, Like that's

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>not right, Like we can't be that hard. If we're

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 1>so awful, why would you even dared get on a

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:58.240
<v Speaker 1>boat with six rigged fishing rods with maybe popping quicks

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and knocker rigs on them, you know, so very I mean,

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the thing about Peter is that they don't. They have

0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>never trafficed in the logic. And I think I think

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.359
<v Speaker 1>I think the people at high Up and Peter would

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>admit that. I think they'd be like, no, no no, no

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>appeals to logic or not. What we do. We appeal

0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 1>to emotion. That's what we do, sure, and that's why

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the you know, most of our membership is made up

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of children between eight and fourteen. I mean, that's who

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.720
<v Speaker 1>they're targeting to be like, your parents are terrible, don't

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>do this. They're they're they're just plucking those emotional heartstrings

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 1>without having to do the messy work of making it

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. And they're very good at that they are.

0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because this this video was was only

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days old when I watched it, and

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm just just commenting on what I see

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>with my own eyes. The view count on this one

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 1>was very low. They were like twelve comments, and it

0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 1>was all people that were just like, oh my god,

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>praise you for this content, for the herring. I mean,

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>if if if we want to you just fall it off.

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 1>In the last decade, they kind of I think so

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 1>like there was nobody even there bothering to troll them.

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And like, if you're, by the way, if you're one

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of those people out there that are like you just

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>live to troll ship, You're welcome because I just gave

0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you the AMMO. I'm not doing it, but by all means,

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 1>get on the video and be like how about them

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 1>six fishing rods with the knocker rigs, you know what

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean? And one could also say that herron in

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the eyes of many anglers, is just like one step

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.920
<v Speaker 1>above cormorant, you know what I mean. Like I mean,

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to save the fish, yeah, you might

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 1>want to whack. Just let that heron go. Just get

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 1>out there and take out some cormorants and it will

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 1>all be good. Uh, we'll see who who Phil has

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:44.759
<v Speaker 1>mercy on this week. Gave him a lot to think

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>about there. As soon as we're done, we're gonna jump

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 1>right into fin clips. Um. If you didn't think you

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>knew anything about the snail darter, let's see what you

0:55:53.719 --> 0:56:01.399
<v Speaker 1>know about gold eye Joe Surmill for your eagle eyed

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Peter video viewing this week, you have been crowned the

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 1>winner by me, just as an eagle. Don't get cotton

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>some fishing line. Also, when you were sharing your story

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:15.839
<v Speaker 1>about DeLong Lures, a beloved company shuttered for decades only

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:19.399
<v Speaker 1>to reopen again. When some passers by spot smoke rising

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>from the chimneys, it reminded me of something else, a

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>similar story. Come with me and you'll be in a

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 1>world of your imagination. You don't think that maybe David

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 1>DeLong will hide five golden bass lures in bait shops

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>around the world, invite these five lucky winners to the factory.

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Just think about it. There will be a chocolate river

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 1>filled with muskie, the snasberries taste like salt water, and

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>one lucky winner will be taken up to his great

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>glass catamaran into the sky, where they'll be given the

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:03.400
<v Speaker 1>keys to DeLong Lowers and let their wildest dreams come true.

0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Just make sure you don't get tempted to steal their

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.360
<v Speaker 1>ideas and sell them off to Heart or Venom or

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>some other lure company that I just googled or else. Well,

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you lose good day, sir. Pictured the scene late summer

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 1>in southwest Montana, fingers wrapped around or handles in the

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>middle of a drift boat floating into that blurry geographic

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>edge where craggy peaks and vertical creeks give way to

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the meandering grasslands of the prairie. I'm in my third

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 1>season as a fishing guide, salty enough to have earned

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>intimacy on a respectable number of river miles, but green

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 1>enough to still find myself in unknown territory when I

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 1>get sucked into the gravitational pull of multi boat trips.

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>This was one of those trips. The outfitter I was

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>working for called the play lower Yellowstone. This is back

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 1>in the day when anything below Big Timber felt as

0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:05.120
<v Speaker 1>remote as come Chotka, and we were well below Big Timber.

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Despite the fact that I had to follow the caravan

0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to find the put in and stay within range of

0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the other boats to make sure I didn't miss the

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>take out, everything had gone surprisingly well. The clients rod

0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>stayed bent most of the day, and the gentleman in

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the back, who would later go on to fish dozens

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 1>of days with me, even managed a two foot brown

0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>trout on a size sixteen dry fly. I was feeling heroic,

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:32.040
<v Speaker 1>but at six pm we were still drifting pitching grasshoppers

0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:35.640
<v Speaker 1>along brushy banks beside overgrazed fields, and I had no

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 1>idea where we were. For me, the fish had fallen

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 1>back on the priority list. We had already caught plenty,

0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and I was more concerned with making sure we didn't

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>end up floating to billings. The clients cast their flies

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 1>to the edge of a big back eddy behind a

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 1>rip rap point I hardly noticed the aggressive slash on

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the surface, but yelled out set instinctively. The client in

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the front lifted his rod, and the strangest thing happened

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 1>there in the golden light of the late afternoon, against

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the backdrop of sun bleached grasses, the fish broke from

0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the water and shook its head. I thought I was hallucinating,

0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>because I knew damn well there are no baby turpin

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:18.000
<v Speaker 1>in the yellow Stone River. But if forced to identify

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>that fish off one distant jump, that's probably what I

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.080
<v Speaker 1>would have gassed. Once we scooped it into the net

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and I got a good long look at the deep bodied,

0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 1>silver scaled specimen with its massive, jaundiced eyes, I had

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>even less idea what I was looking at. The client asked,

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>what is that? It's a Missouri river shed. I responded,

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:41.000
<v Speaker 1>hoping that the confidence in my voice would smother any

0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>follow up questions. Maybe the client, being from South Carolina,

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>knew little about the native species of the Rockies and

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<v Speaker 1>the plains, or maybe he was just polite enough not

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<v Speaker 1>to want to make me look like a jackass in

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<v Speaker 1>my own boat. Either way, he acted satisfied with my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>We released the fish and hit the take out ramp

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<v Speaker 1>just at dark over Beers. Later that night, I told

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<v Speaker 1>one of the other guides about the mystery fish. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a gold eye, he explained. You catch those

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<v Speaker 1>in the lower river, where the white fish end the

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<v Speaker 1>gold eye begin. Hia don alisoids can be found all

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<v Speaker 1>over North America, from the Quebec Ontario border to the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian Rockies, from central Montana to Louisiana, and throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri and Mississippi river systems. I wasn't that far off

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<v Speaker 1>in my creative renaming of this fish. The word alisoidas

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<v Speaker 1>the Latin name for the species, actually means shed like.

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<v Speaker 1>They look remarkably similar to shad, but they are not

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<v Speaker 1>at all related. I was not the first person to

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<v Speaker 1>have difficulty classifying these fish. Either. Gold eye and their

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<v Speaker 1>cousins moon i are not closely related to any other

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<v Speaker 1>living fishes. Though their ancestors go back at least thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four million years in the fossil record, they're the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones left in their genus and order. Taxonomists and biologists

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<v Speaker 1>have struggled to figure out where these somewhat generic, silvery

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<v Speaker 1>looking fish fit into the evolutionary puzzle for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And they still don't really know. Up until recently, these

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<v Speaker 1>fish were thought to be related to African knife fish,

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<v Speaker 1>though that hypothesis seems to have been recently discounted. Gold

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<v Speaker 1>eye are generally found in large rivers like the Missouri, Mississippi, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and read. They prefer to hang out in eddies and

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<v Speaker 1>backwaters adjacent to the main flow. As with so many

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<v Speaker 1>fish that don't have strong commercial or recreational value, much

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<v Speaker 1>about these fish remains kind of mysterious. Despite their wide

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<v Speaker 1>distribution and relatively high abundance, no one has ever observed

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<v Speaker 1>gold eye spawning. We know they spawned sometime between late

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<v Speaker 1>winter and spring, depending on the latitude, and that some

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<v Speaker 1>populations make spawning migrations of a hundred miles or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Most sources claim that their broadcast spawners, but one paper

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesizes that males cut their anal fins to the vents

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<v Speaker 1>of females, and that both the male and female release

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<v Speaker 1>their game meats into the male's cup fin, which sounds

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<v Speaker 1>at least a little more intimate and satisfying than broadcast spawning.

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<v Speaker 1>Those fertilized eggs are coated in oil, which makes them

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<v Speaker 1>semi buoyant, meaning the eggs don't sink, they suspend and

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<v Speaker 1>drift just below the surface. While this is common in

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<v Speaker 1>marine fishes, it's almost unheard of for freshwater species. After

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<v Speaker 1>drifting for about two weeks, the eggs hatch into larvae

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<v Speaker 1>that continue to hang out on the surface, suspended vertically

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<v Speaker 1>looking skyward. Whereas most smaller freshwater fish grow and reproduce

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<v Speaker 1>quickly as an evolutionary strategy, gold eye take their time.

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<v Speaker 1>Males don't reach sexual maturity for six to nine years,

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<v Speaker 1>and for females it can take up to a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though these fish rarely exceed twenty inches in length,

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<v Speaker 1>they can live up to thirty years. Gold Eye got

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<v Speaker 1>their name from their oversized and distinctive yellow orange eyeballs,

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<v Speaker 1>which are one of the few characteristics that set them

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<v Speaker 1>apart from moon i. Unlike moone i, gold eye are

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<v Speaker 1>better able to see and feed in turbid water, and

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<v Speaker 1>are therefore more likely to be found in flows that

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<v Speaker 1>lack clarity than their moony relatives. Though woefully unsung, these

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<v Speaker 1>fisher tailor made for light tackle fishing. First off, they

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<v Speaker 1>eat anything, and I mean truly anything they can get

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<v Speaker 1>ahold of, While the majority of their diet consists of

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<v Speaker 1>aquatic and terrestrial insects. They also eat plenty of bait fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this summer, my buddy Rick Mattne, who's been on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before, called to inform me that his clients

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<v Speaker 1>had caught no less than a dozen gold eye on

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<v Speaker 1>mouse flies that day. You can fish for them just

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<v Speaker 1>about any way you want. Dry flies, nymphs, streamers, spinners, spoons,

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<v Speaker 1>small jerk baits, worms, crickets, minnows, you name it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get it in front of a gold eye, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably get lunched. They are most active at night and

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<v Speaker 1>during low light periods, but can be caught any time

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. Once hooked, most gold ie will give

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<v Speaker 1>you at least one good jump. They like to put

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<v Speaker 1>on a show. I've only heard two knocks against gold Eye.

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<v Speaker 1>One they don't get real big. A fifteen injur is respectable,

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<v Speaker 1>and a twenty inch or is a hog. But come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's true for most trout fisheries. The other

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<v Speaker 1>complaint I've heard is that they lack stamina. They give

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<v Speaker 1>you a couple of good runs, a jump too, and

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<v Speaker 1>then give up. But to me, that's hardly a major problem.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you expect from a fish that rarely cracks

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<v Speaker 1>two pounds. Since that first day I had one coming

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<v Speaker 1>to my net as bycatch, I have enjoyed many a

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<v Speaker 1>fine evening fishing for gold eye. I generally target them

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<v Speaker 1>in late summer when they're eager to come to the

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<v Speaker 1>surface for grasshoppers, ants, and beetles. I've never eaten one personally,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've heard they're similar to shed and herring. Good smoked,

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<v Speaker 1>but not something you want to bother fling due to

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<v Speaker 1>the bones and the oil. Speaking of their oily meat,

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<v Speaker 1>I do happen to know that freshly caught gold I

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<v Speaker 1>make dynamite cut bait for channel cats. I have never

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<v Speaker 1>caught a moone i myself, but I hear that they

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<v Speaker 1>are very similar. If you live anywhere near a large

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<v Speaker 1>river between the Rockies and the Appalachians, chances are good

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<v Speaker 1>one or both of these fish are swimming around close

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<v Speaker 1>to home, and they're probably not seeing a lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time you're in the mood to try something different,

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<v Speaker 1>grab an ultra light rod or five weight and go

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<v Speaker 1>prospects some slack water pockets, and remember, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes or your guide tell you, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>baby tarpet. So while I am familiar with moone I,

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually pretty unaware of this fish. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>say most people are most people are we we we

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<v Speaker 1>We've had a few listeners hit us up about given

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<v Speaker 1>the moon I some love. But the truth is I've

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<v Speaker 1>never personally caught a mooney, so I can't speak to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do that segment. But if there are anything

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<v Speaker 1>like gold at which they are are, then I consider

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<v Speaker 1>them totally badass. Yeah and and sadly, I can't do

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<v Speaker 1>the moon I either because I I haven't caught one either.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and this summer, yeah no, this summer I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in their presence. However, while shooting a B

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<v Speaker 1>side episode for this upcoming season, they were in the river.

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<v Speaker 1>I was fishing, dude. I was fishing with Tyler Winner.

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<v Speaker 1>He caught one, um and I even switched to like

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<v Speaker 1>dry and wet flies, real small stuff, specifically looking to

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<v Speaker 1>hook one for a little while. But the water was

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<v Speaker 1>just it was crazy high. It's kind of a long story,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see it later, but the conditions just weren't great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I spent some time trying. It just didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Well, I think there's there's something in the

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<v Speaker 1>future maybe should be considered about gold iron MOONI because

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<v Speaker 1>they are underappreciated, really cool fish, particularly on a fly rod.

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<v Speaker 1>But but on anything they Yeah. Anyway, on the subject

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<v Speaker 1>of missed opportunities, Joe is about to tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>his uh shall we say, rocky relationship, a particular fly

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<v Speaker 1>pattern that lots of people swear are by, but me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I have yet to even tie one onto the end

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<v Speaker 1>of my line. But perhaps after this I'll finally get

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<v Speaker 1>on the bus. Well, that's not loud enough. The Drunken

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<v Speaker 1>Disorderly streamer, often shortened to just the D and D,

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<v Speaker 1>was created by Michigan based trout guide Tom Lynch, and

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<v Speaker 1>the drunk came into existence about fifteen years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>one could even argue that this pattern marked the very

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<v Speaker 1>first blatant attempt by a fly tire to recreate the

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<v Speaker 1>action and presentation of a very specific conventional lure, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the classic rapple of floater. Since then, fly

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<v Speaker 1>anglers have largely embraced this premise, leaning on everything from

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic paddle tails to plastic lips to make their streamers

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<v Speaker 1>look more like lures, which is ironic, is it not.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always thought so, because while tying flies that do

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<v Speaker 1>lure things is okay, I guess just picking up a

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<v Speaker 1>spinning rod and casting laure's that do lure things is

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<v Speaker 1>not acceptable to many of these fly dudes. But I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Tom Lynch about the D and D years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and what he told me is that he believed it

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<v Speaker 1>was the erratic jack knifing that made a classic rapple

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<v Speaker 1>is so effective. He believed that that quick kick to

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<v Speaker 1>the side that revealed the laura's full profile and flash

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<v Speaker 1>was the ultimate trigger. This explains the unique downward angled,

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<v Speaker 1>wedge shaped head of a drunken disorderly, which is carved

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<v Speaker 1>out of tightly packed deer hair. Tom will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>straight up that that head is one modeled after a

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<v Speaker 1>rappleas lip, and I will tell you that the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I ever used the D and D, I hated

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<v Speaker 1>the damn thing. Drunks are available in several sizes, but

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<v Speaker 1>the O, G, D and D is approximately four inches long, jointed,

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<v Speaker 1>sporting two hooks, packed with flash and rounded out by

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<v Speaker 1>mallard feathers and rabbit strips strategically ashened to make the fly, keel,

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<v Speaker 1>jackknife and pivot. The first D and D I ever

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<v Speaker 1>owned was given to me by a guide buddy on

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<v Speaker 1>the Upper Delaware River that all he said to me

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<v Speaker 1>was these are really good man. A few months later

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<v Speaker 1>I tied the fly on during a miserable float on

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<v Speaker 1>the same river, after miles of moving zero fish on streamers,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what, this thing really sucks? Man.

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<v Speaker 1>All I knew of it was that it was modeled

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<v Speaker 1>after the rapilists. So I cast and stripped in long,

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<v Speaker 1>steady pulls, assuming it would dig and wobble like a

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<v Speaker 1>stick bait. But all it did was spin around awkwardly

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<v Speaker 1>and really pissed me off. Of course, the problem here, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the fly. It was just my ignorance. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't get educated until the following winter, when I met

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<v Speaker 1>my buddy and guide Nick Raftist on the Lehigh River

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<v Speaker 1>in eastern Pennsylvania. Tie on a drunk, he said, bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, But then he explained a few things. He

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<v Speaker 1>had been fishing his drunks on longer leaders, maybe seven

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<v Speaker 1>ft instead of the usual four or five we both

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<v Speaker 1>like for streamers. He was using a heavier sink tip,

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<v Speaker 1>helping to create a belly between the fly and the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the line faster on splashdown. I took his

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<v Speaker 1>word for it, figuring I'll give this a mile before

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<v Speaker 1>I switched to a different pattern. Nick also explained that

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<v Speaker 1>it's all in the wrist. Don't overwork it, he said, short,

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<v Speaker 1>fast wrist strips, and all of a sudden, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that drunk came to life kicking this way

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<v Speaker 1>than that, spinning around on itself, diving down on one

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<v Speaker 1>strip and rising up on the next, and within a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter mile I had a brown come out and just

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<v Speaker 1>freaking slam it. And I'd end up taking four more

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<v Speaker 1>solid fish throughout the day, which is a high number

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<v Speaker 1>for the time of year and the part of the

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<v Speaker 1>river we were fishing on. Now, in the years since,

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<v Speaker 1>I've caught hundreds more browns on a D and D.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, I won't go streamer fishing without one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have witnessed its magical ability to conjure up strikes

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<v Speaker 1>when no other streamer has on way more than just

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<v Speaker 1>one occasion, almost suggesting that when a drunk is doing

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<v Speaker 1>its thing and really working properly, it makes trout so

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<v Speaker 1>freaking mad. They just have to kill it, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really in the mood to chew. Like most

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<v Speaker 1>gaudy streamers, the drunk kicks the most ass in slightly high,

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<v Speaker 1>slightly stained water, but even in low clear water it

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<v Speaker 1>has really earned its keep, and not just on trout

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<v Speaker 1>but small mouths too. Yes, you could say I've grown

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<v Speaker 1>to love fishing the drunk. Tying it. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>well not so much, because it's arguably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most difficult streamers to tie. Getting from the tail through

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<v Speaker 1>the collar, that's a piece of cake. Anyone can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But screw up that head and it's over. It simply

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<v Speaker 1>will not perform. It will not swim if that head

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<v Speaker 1>is slightly off. And I've gotten to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>if I nail the head on the first try in

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<v Speaker 1>one out of four attempts, I'm pretty proud. But really,

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<v Speaker 1>at the fly tying desk, I hate this fan fly Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we are just about out of opportunities to say things

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<v Speaker 1>that might get us fired or humiliated. But before we go,

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<v Speaker 1>remember that priests, pastors, rabbis, ministers and moms, monks and

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<v Speaker 1>other religious leaders might just leave their piety at the

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<v Speaker 1>dock and turn into regular foul mouth anglers when they

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<v Speaker 1>go fishing. Amen, our friends at their team fishing don't

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<v Speaker 1>care how much of a degenerate you are and are

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<v Speaker 1>offering you off your next purchase. Amen. Again, there are

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<v Speaker 1>no tarpin shed or herring in the Mountain West, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what your idiot guide tells you. And Joe doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be drunken disorderly to admit he's wrong about

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<v Speaker 1>the drunk and disorderly. No, I do not please send

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<v Speaker 1>any and all stories of you putting your feet in

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<v Speaker 1>your mouths, as well as any bar nominations, sabin items,

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<v Speaker 1>awkward phishing photos, and phish news suggestions to Bent at

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<v Speaker 1>the meat eater dot com and keep on tagging your

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<v Speaker 1>posts with the Generate Angler and Bent podcast. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to keep up with all the stupid things

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<v Speaker 1>your fellow degenerates say and do on the socials, you

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<v Speaker 1>might want to follow those hashtags as well. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd just like to give a special thanks to my wife, who,

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<v Speaker 1>though not an actual surgeon, has skillfully removed my toes

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<v Speaker 1>from my tonsils more times than I can down