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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bent the Fishing podcast that definitely told the

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Speaker 1: Just don't say anything. So like these guys are losing

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Speaker 1: get it in. And he didn't understand. Okay, I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell this one. He set me up too well because

423
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 1: I have a very similar guiding story. I had this.

424
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: I had this group of guys who would book a

425
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: multi day trip with me every year, and and the core,

426
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 1: like the core crew consisted of four gentlemen, but then

427
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: they would usually bring another two to four friends to

428
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 1: round out the party that would rotate. And yeah, exactly

429
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: exactly the ones you don't know, yep. Now, I gotta

430
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: say these are solid, reputable Southern gentlemen, and they fished

431
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Speaker 1: with me a lot. They would do different kinds of

432
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: trips each year. They would often have one or two

433
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: family trips where they brought spouses and children, and those

434
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: were pretty tame. They're like buttoned up, you know, But

435
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: on the annual guys trip, the tone was just more irreverent.

436
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: The beer, wine, and whiskey usually started flowing around ten

437
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: am or so, and nobody ever got visibly drunk or obnoxious.

438
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: It was fun and there was there was plenty of

439
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: colorful language tossed around. So I'm guiding the first day

440
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: of one of these guys trips and one of the

441
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: anglers in my boat is a regular, a guy i've

442
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 1: guided for over a decade. The other was a new

443
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: member of the party, someone I've never met before. But

444
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: I figured if he ran with this crowd, he had

445
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: to be just a good, laid back dude, right, sure. Yeah.

446
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: So we're flowing the Upper Madison and we're catching fish

447
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: and everybody's having a good time, and I've got my

448
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: my self editor set to guys trip mode, you know,

449
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: so I'm definitely dropping f bombs here and there when

450
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: I feel they urged to. And finally, just before lunch,

451
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: I asked the guy who I don't know, like, oh,

452
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: what is it that you do for work. And he

453
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: turns to me and says, I'm a pastor. Oh, I'm

454
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: actually the pastor at the church that all these guys attend.

455
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: Oh God literally literally. So at that moment, like I

456
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: start doing a mental tally of all the things I've

457
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: said so far on the boat, like trying to go back, like,

458
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: oh man, what have I said? And I haven't made

459
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: any blatantly blasphemous statements, I'm pretty sure, but I've definitely

460
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: been cursing consistently. So I sort of pause, and then

461
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: I say to the guy pastor, I'm I'm sorry if

462
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: I offended you with my foul language. I'll keep things

463
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: cleaner from here on out. And the guy the guy

464
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: looked at me with what I can only describe as

465
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Speaker 1: a shit eating grin on his face and just said,

466
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Speaker 1: what the are you talking about? Yes, yes, yes, beauty, beauty.

467
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, as you might imagine, the whole boat broke

468
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: out laughter, and I'm pretty sure some beers were cracked

469
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: soon thereafter, And it was it was a good reminder

470
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: that context matters. Right on the boat floating down a

471
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Speaker 1: beautiful trout stream on vacation with a casual sense of ease,

472
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: and goodwills, permitting the air and conversation that can drop

473
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: anyone's defenses. Yeah, the guy is a pastor, that's his job,

474
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: but that's not all he is. And and that day,

475
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: in that moment, he was just part of a group

476
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: of friends having a good time. I love this guy, right,

477
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: Like this is my kind of pastor. Like this sounds

478
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: like a good church. Like if there was a Jesus

479
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Christ Church of latter day, go your self, asshole, I

480
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: might actually attend and maybe end up in purgatory instead

481
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: of going straight to hell, but not before I kick

482
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: the hell out of you in this week's fish News.

483
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: Fish News escalated quickly. Alright, So I gotta say congrats

484
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: to you, my friend. Good on you, Good on you

485
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: for that deep dive into the line pol hook removal

486
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: method a couple of weeks back, because we have gotten

487
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: quite a few notes from listeners that really appreciated that, right,

488
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: And that's that's super cool because if we've even given you,

489
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: like just a little tiny bit more confidence to do that,

490
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: or made you slightly less scared of getting jab that's

491
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: a win. Right, So I gotta say, man, that was

492
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: that was your episode? And then you nailed that, but

493
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: we also we also got some funny and informative notes

494
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: about this. I was surprised, I will have bit. I

495
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: was surprised the amount of feedback we got on that. Yeah,

496
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: we we did, we did, and we don't certainly don't

497
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: have time to mention them all. But there's a there's

498
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: a couple here I've pulled that I just have to

499
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: shout out. Okay, so I'm gonna butcher this name. And dude,

500
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but all the way from Australia, Yan Kuka,

501
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: I think kucha kuka something. You know who you are.

502
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: Nobody else We've never had another yan Okay, uh, thank

503
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: you Yan, he wrote in And it turns out he's

504
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: an emergency room doctor in Australia. He says, despite all

505
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: the techniques available, the line pole is still the main

506
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: one he uses on patients because it is the least

507
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: trem mattic. And and this is interesting, this I'd like

508
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: to know more about. He says. He's used it on hooks,

509
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: like all the way up to heavy gauge shark stuff.

510
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: That was the thing that caught how that works. I

511
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: believe him because he's an er doc. I'm not, but

512
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: he just tells his nurse like, can you get me

513
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: the cable? Can you give me then? For because we

514
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: had a few people right in they were like why

515
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: not braid. I'm like, let me tell you why and

516
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I get it right, but a shark

517
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: hook man, Like, what do you like? I don't know.

518
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: You hook it up to the pickup truck or something.

519
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. But hey man, he's a doctor and

520
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: they're good. So there you go. It's e er doctor

521
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: approved the method. Um. He also um. He also backed

522
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: me up on using pig skin like on a pork

523
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: belly to practice, and he actually said pig skin can

524
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: be slightly tougher than human skin, so if you can

525
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: do it on pig skin, you'll have no problem ripping

526
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: them hooks out your uncle. Okay, so pigskin there, you go,

527
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: get yourself some big skin. Yeah, exactly. We all need

528
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: that anyway. Um. So, while I did not get a

529
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: last name, guide Sean from Flying Fish Outdoors said, great

530
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: job on the description, Miles, but you guys forgot to

531
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: talk after care. He's done. He's done this with clients

532
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot and just says, hey, I always carry I

533
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: had dine um, and we will take the mulligan on that.

534
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: That is a good that is a good point. And

535
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: of course, if you're if your TETNAS shots aren't up

536
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: to day, you should get one after you get stuck,

537
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: which I will sadly admit I am lax about. Like

538
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: I told that Tuna Loure story did not freshen up

539
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: my tetanas shot. And it's been three years. My jaw

540
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: has not locked so I think by now, But don't

541
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: do what I do. Do it, don't don't listen to me.

542
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: That was a PostScript I missed on the uncle story.

543
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: He did get a TETNA shot at the r I

544
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: imagine if you go to the hospital, that's just like

545
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So anyway, Hope and

546
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: those jaw isn't locked up because he's going to be

547
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: judging our news stories this week yet again, because yet again,

548
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: this is a competition, Miles, and I do not know

549
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: which stories the other guys bringing to the table. It

550
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: is your lead this week, so have at it. It

551
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: is And you know, I could talk about how the

552
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Columbia River is seeing the lowest return of summer steelhead

553
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: in recorded history, and the numerous groups who are calling

554
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: on Oregon and Washington to cancel the fall steelhead fishing

555
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: season this year. But if you're a Western steelhead angler,

556
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: you already know about that, and if you're not, you

557
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: probably don't care. I for one, will not be fishing

558
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: any of the Columbia system this year, and that's just

559
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: frankly depressing as hell. And I don't feel like being

560
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: depressed today, Joe, So I'm not going to talk about that. Instead. Instead,

561
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about a different native fish that's

562
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: been many years on the dangered list and was just

563
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: recently declared recovered, the snail darter. I love a good

564
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: snail darter, So to your point that what you're getting

565
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: at there, I think snail darters are are They're nowhere

566
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: near as glamorous as steel head, nor are they all

567
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: that popular with anglers unless they're into the whole micro

568
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: fishing thing. But damn it, I wanted a happy story,

569
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: So we are talking snail darters all right, night on me.

570
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: In case you've never heard of snail darter, they look like, well,

571
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: they kind of look like Gobi's. They're not, but that's

572
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: like the best way I can describe them. They're about

573
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: three inches long with modeled green and brown camouflage on

574
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: their backs. There in the perch family. Like all darters

575
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: and and snail darters are only native to the Tennessee

576
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: River drainage. Their primary food source is wait for it,

577
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: freshwater snails, you know which. My thoughts on they got

578
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: the name. Look, there are at least two hundred and

579
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: fifteen recognized darter species living in the creeks, rivers, and

580
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: streams of the US. The only reason this particular one

581
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: rings a bell with anybody is because it was at

582
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: the center of one of the very first Endangered Species

583
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Act controversies. Snail darters were identified in nineteen seventy three,

584
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: the same year that the Endangered Species Act was passed

585
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: by Congress. They were found by a researcher who was

586
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: investigating the potential impacts of the Teleco damn, which was

587
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: in the process of being built on the Little Tennessee River.

588
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: In snail darters were listed as endangered, which posed a

589
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: potential problem for the dam. Its creation would destroy much

590
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: of the snail darters remaining habitat, which was theoretically prohibited

591
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: under the National Environmental Protection Act. This was one of

592
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: the first significant tests of America's newly codified commitment to

593
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: environmental protection. The dam had been in various stages of

594
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: planning since ninety six. In the late sixties, the project

595
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: game momentum and funding. The idea behind this dam was

596
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: to create a reservoir that would bring economic stimulus in

597
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: the form of recreation to an area that was stagnant

598
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: and mostly destitute. Teleco is not a hydroelectric dam. It's

599
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: only there to create a lake, to increase property values

600
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: and make kind of a seemingly unpleasant valley into a

601
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: more attractive place for homeowners in vases, some more water,

602
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: skis and whatnot exactly, and and lakefront property. It was

603
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: an expensive project based on the hopes that it would

604
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: magically transform this area into a quote recreation wonderland. By

605
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: the time the Snail Darter was listed under the essay,

606
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: the dam was already seventy percent completed, the money had

607
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: been appropriated, and the promise of economic vitality for the

608
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: area felt imminent. Both the House and the Senate strongly

609
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: opposed stopping the dam, and for the first time, though

610
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: definitely not the last, the legislative branch of the government

611
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: confronted the real tension between economic development and protecting native habitat.

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00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, a law student at the University

613
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: of Tennessee brought a citizen case against the Tennessee Valley Authority,

614
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: claiming that the construction of the dam violated the s

615
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: A and seeking an adjunction to halt the Damns construction.

616
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: The case was batted around various lower courts. Just about

617
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: every judge who heard the case recognized that the Damn

618
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: represented a real threat to the snail darter, but stopped

619
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: short of shutting down the dam. In seven, the Sixth

620
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals did finally issue the injunction, and

621
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: the Damn construction came to a screeching halt when it

622
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: was finished. This tiny little fish that nobody knew about

623
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: and frankly very few people cared about, and to derail

624
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: a public works project that had been planned for over

625
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: four decades just before completion. The case then became the

626
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: first Supreme Court challenge to the Endangered Species Act. The

627
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee Valley Authority argued that the government had already spent

628
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars on the project, and that an

629
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: exception to the essay should be made in this case.

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00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Lawyers for the t v A also pointed out that

631
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: Congress had continued to appropriate money for the project after

632
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: learning that it would harm the lowly snail darter, and

633
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: argued that in doing so, Congress had implicitly repealed the

634
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Endangered Species Act completely. Had the Supreme Court agreed with

635
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the defense in this case, the e s A would

636
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: have been gutted and gone in But that's not what happened.

637
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court disagreed and upheld the legality of the

638
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: injunction and the validity of the essay. But the fight

639
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: over economic development and the preservation of intact ecosystems that

640
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: were still in the middle of today. It was just

641
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: getting started just because of this case. In seventy eight,

642
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Congress amended the es A and brought quote some flexibility

643
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: into the Endangered Species Act. They also created an Endangered

644
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Species Committee, which still exists today, sometimes referred to as

645
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the God Committee, and gave that committee the power to

646
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: push through projects that violated the e s A if

647
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: their broader economic value was sufficient to justify the costs.

648
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: When that committee looked at Teleco, Damn in the unanimously

649
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: denied an exemption, but not because of the snail darter,

650
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: purely on economic factors. Turns out Teleco DAMN was gonna

651
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: cost over seven million dollars a year to maintain and

652
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: was expected to only generate about six million annually in

653
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: economic stimulus. It would also put forty million dollars worth

654
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: of agricultural land underwater. Boom and a story right, Damn's

655
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: on economic policy and environmental policy that just happened overlap.

656
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Everybody wins no, that that's not what happened at all.

657
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: Later that year, Senate and congressional representatives from Tennessee attached

658
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: the rider to a national appropriations bill mandating the completion

659
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: of Teleco Dam and later that year the reservoir began

660
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: to fill. All sounds bad, but as I told you

661
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: in the lead of this story, it's not because the

662
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: snail darter gets happy. Ending the fish were transplanted to

663
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: various tributaries of the Tennessee River from which they had

664
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: been previously extirpated. The t v A also worked really

665
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: closely with state management agencies to improve river flows and

666
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: oxygen nation levels across multiple dams on the whole Tennessee

667
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: River system. In order to improve habitat in the main Stem,

668
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: and a week ago the fish were declared recovered. These fish,

669
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: yeah right. These fish may be small, and we as

670
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: anglers may not care about them, but they represent a

671
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: watershed moment in the values of our nation. The congressional

672
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: battle over Teleco Damn was the first time that the

673
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: words environmental extremist were uttered on the floor of the House.

674
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: It was the first time Americans had to confront the very,

675
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: very significant opposition between development and the fish, wildlife, and

676
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: ecosystems we claim to care about. Now. I started the

677
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: whole story by saying I wouldn't talk about the state

678
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: of Columbia River steelhead, but I changed my mind. We

679
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: need to learn from our past, and even though I

680
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: think the snail darter is a cautionary tale in many ways,

681
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: it's also ultimately a success story. If we can find

682
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: the will to protect and even rehabilitate snail darters fish

683
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: with essentially zero advocates, we damn sure ought to be

684
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: able to do the same for steelhead, one of North

685
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: America's most iconic fish. Doing so is going to require sacrifices.

686
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: That's just the the fact it will. It's going to

687
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: require sacrifice from industry, from power generators, from agriculture, from homeowners,

688
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: and from anglers. Collective sacrifice is the only way we

689
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: get big ship done. But we are capable, I believe

690
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: of both sacrifice and achievement. So let's kind of let's

691
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: get this going. Let's move from the snail darters to

692
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: the steel head. Let's get something going. Guys. I would

693
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: very much like to agree that we all have that

694
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: in this, but I just I can't. I can't help

695
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: but keep going back to the fact in this one

696
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that it was ultimately squashed because the state wasn't going

697
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: to make enough money off the recreation, right. I mean,

698
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: it's like it's still the main driver, and like there

699
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: was something you said that you know, they they they

700
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: sort of proposed this as a recreational wonder land. I

701
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: think if we could just anytime somebody says we should

702
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: do this because it will be a recreational wonder land,

703
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: that should be the thing that stops us from doing it,

704
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: because I feel like this story has happened out like

705
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: look at the Sultan Sea, like as an example, California,

706
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, one day Sinatras they're having

707
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: in mind tie next thing. You know, it's a barren

708
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: waste land. So like a lot of these things, I

709
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: just don't think work out anyway. Um. I mean, I'm happy.

710
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy for the for the fish, and you would

711
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: think it would be easier for fish we care more

712
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: about because you can also measure the economic impact of

713
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: steelhead and what money they bring in. So I told

714
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: that story, I mean one like, I did really want

715
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: to go with something positive, but I feel like it's

716
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it's really emblematic of a lot of the

717
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: fights that we run into. And the fact that it

718
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: was the first Supreme Court challenge to the ESA is

719
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: worthy of noting. And it was over this fish, right,

720
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: and look in the end, the damn one out right,

721
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: the Congressional pork one. But we still found a way collectively,

722
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: through many, many years and a lot of money to

723
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: bring these fish back. So I'm not I'm not saying

724
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: that the way that it was handled with the snail

725
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: dre like, let's use that as a blueprint for bring

726
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: back steelhead. That's not the point I'm trying to make.

727
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to make is if we can pull

728
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: it off with those fish in those circumstances, come on,

729
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a way that we can balance all

730
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: the different needs to keep Steelhead coming back. You're right,

731
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: and it is out there somewhere, and you've done a

732
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: story here on sort of a resurrection, something something coming back.

733
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna use that to transition into my

734
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: first story. Though. It's so funny because you kick this

735
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: off with like sort of a fake out story and

736
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even lying right there that I was actually

737
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: going to use this story with this headline. This is

738
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: a real one from this week newest worry. Experts say

739
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: friendly dolphin in Cornwall could kill people or be killed.

740
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: But me and my anti dolphin league have already proven

741
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: you so wrong that I passed. I'm like, why drive

742
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: this point home any further. Okay, I don't need to

743
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: hear any more about the dolphin hate, but I'm still

744
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna turn it on your turf a little bit here

745
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: because it was you, not me, that already informed are

746
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: adience about David DeLong. Does that name ring a bell?

747
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: It does so. DeLong was credited as the first guy

748
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: in the country to create a plastic worm, and you

749
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: talked about him right in the end of the line

750
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: segment about cream worms, which sort of overshadowed DeLong, like

751
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: they kind of stole his thing a little bit. Well,

752
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: according to this story on Ohio's w k y C

753
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: dot com, the DeLong Lower Company is reopening after being

754
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: closed for a decade and the new owners are setting

755
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: up shop just outside of Akron, Ohio, where DeLong got

756
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: its start. Now this is significant because right after World

757
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: War Two, a lot of people don't know this Acron,

758
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: of all places, was actually a huge hub of tackle manufacturing. Right.

759
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: Not only not only did DeLong set up shop there

760
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: after pouring that first rubber worm, kind of getting it

761
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: right there in Acron was also home to Flugger back

762
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: in those days, Arbi gassed Um as well as as

763
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: as the Cream family and there Orm operation, which again

764
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: kind of had a better marketing strategy then DeLong. But

765
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: what many people may not even realize is that the

766
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: long lures lasted for a very long time. In fact,

767
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: early in my career, I remember getting my hands on

768
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: some DeLong eels right that I think a lot of

769
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: people didn't even realize they made. That had like a

770
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: little niche thing going here in the striper scene. Um,

771
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: they are making again. I saw it on their website,

772
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: a five inch killer Sandy l It's k I L

773
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: R sandyal and man. Back in the day, that was

774
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: one hell of a surfcasting teaser for the fall when

775
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: the bass were on sand els Um. And yet I've

776
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: been out of those four years, Like I saw that

777
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: and almost forgot they existed. I was like, oh my god,

778
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: the killer eel. So I'm excited. Right. So it's shut

779
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: down ten years ago, but new owners, Steven Ziegler and

780
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Aaron Futrelle, bought the business back in May, and while

781
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: they fully understand the risk in this, they're hopeful that

782
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: they can make a go of it. And that's a

783
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: very historical company. And here's why I think they have

784
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: a shot. You know how vintage is very in right now,

785
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: right everybody loves vintage, and how sometimes you know something

786
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: that that's old has the tendency to become new again. Well,

787
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: in fishing, we're always looking for the latest and greatest

788
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: and coolest and most modern. But if you look on

789
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Delong's website, they're keeping it really o g. Most of

790
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: what they make is pre rigged, and pre riggedlors have

791
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: caught piles of fish for decades, but nobody really uses

792
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: them anymore. That's that's not an in thing at all.

793
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: Similar to the cream worm, same deal. Um. So what

794
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: you have though, you have this cool vintage appeal, But

795
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: now they're made with a little bit more modern plastic

796
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: than the old stuff. Right there, they're cranking out more

797
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: modern colors. Um. And you know, generations of anglers have

798
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: already proven that you can catch the hell out of

799
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: fish on a lot of this old school pre rig stuff.

800
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: So not only are they making all kinds of of

801
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: pre rigged bass worms, they've got some salty stuff and

802
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: some pretty neat pan fish slash ice offerings, really cool

803
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: pre rigged tiny old school stuff including uh and and

804
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else makes this and I don't know about it,

805
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: but I've never seen it. They're making soft plastic fish

806
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: eyeballs for places where you can't use a real fish,

807
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: I like on the ice for panfish. Um. And I'll

808
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: tell you what I dude, I'm grabbing some of this

809
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: stuff because I think it's retro and cool, and nobody

810
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: out there can say, like, yeah, but that stuff doesn't work.

811
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: It's been working since nineteen So I I really I

812
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: love the resurrection angle there. I really hope these guys

813
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: can make a go with DeLong um again. It's like

814
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: what's old is new? This is actually this has been around,

815
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: but if you go look at some of this stuff,

816
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: it's very different compared to what's out there now, and

817
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: we want different. So I think it's got some legs.

818
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: You know. No, that's that's really interesting, And I agree

819
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: with you. I think this. You know, it depends on

820
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: how the businesses managed and marketed and handle, but I

821
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: think this could absolutely work. I would I would say

822
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: that tackle manufacturing happens to be a growth industry right now.

823
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Uh so the guys timed it pretty well. Yeah, But

824
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: they're even making stuff like that that you just don't

825
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: see anymore. Like remember when we were kids, you'd buy

826
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: a rubber frog that would come pre rigged on the

827
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: hook with the wire flipped down weed guards that they're

828
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: making trailers frogs with those hooks already in them. But

829
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: they were terrible. They were lifeless, right, They had that

830
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: pre rigging thing, but those old ones were just molded

831
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: plastic that didn't move, So you're just dragging a lifeless

832
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: frog around. That's the thing where I think that the

833
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: new owners recognize, like, how do we mix what worked

834
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: old school and what people recognize remember and and sort

835
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: of upgrade that. So I don't remember off the top

836
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: of my head, but they're called but they're making they're

837
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: making frogs with the old school rigged weedless hook but

838
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: now they've got some legs that look like they're gonna move.

839
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: And it's pretty cool, wacky colors and all kinds of stuff.

840
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: It's worth at least checking out. I think it's cool.

841
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: You were talking about an old technology and fish, and

842
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about a new technology easy. I went

843
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: really long on my first story, so I'm keeping this

844
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: one short. And for those of you been listening for

845
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: a while, you might remember around a year ago, I

846
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: was on this kick about bioengineering, specifically how fish could

847
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: help engineers design all kinds of new technology, from cloaking

848
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: devices to super armored, two more efficient battleships, predators suits totally,

849
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: and I moved away from those kinds of stories because

850
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: I felt like people might be getting tired of them.

851
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: But it's been a while, so I'm gonna I'm gonna

852
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: bring one back. The same researcher who did the study

853
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: on incorporating carp scale design into body armor. Remember that

854
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: one so same guy recently published a paper looking into

855
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: the engineering intricacies of fish fins, which I hadn't thought about,

856
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: but makes sense. That's why they have that job and

857
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: not me. Researchers have long known that fish fins are

858
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: incredibly effective and efficient, allowing fish to navigate and maneuver

859
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: underwater quickly, precisely, and with minimal energy expenditure, but they

860
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: didn't understand the specific mechanisms that make fins such fine instruments.

861
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: The details of this get a little walky even for me,

862
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: but the short of it is that their structures combine

863
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: rigidity and flexibility. Makes sense, Yeah, yeah. Fins are made

864
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: up of any number of rays right, what some people

865
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: call spines, with fleshy webbing in between those rays, and

866
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: fish can manipulate the individual rays within the same fin independently,

867
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: given them very precise control m h. Each ray in

868
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: a fin is made up of multiple segments of hard

869
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: material that stack on top of much softer collagen, making

870
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: them the perfect balance between bouncy and stiff. According to

871
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Francois bart a lot. I could get off on a

872
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: joke with that comment, I know. According to lead Authrough

873
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: the study quote, until recently the function of those segments

874
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: hadn't been clear, so he dug in to figure out

875
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: what exactly those segments do. He told Science Daily, all

876
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: of the segments essentially create these tiny hinges along the

877
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: ray or the spine. When you try to compress or

878
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: pull on those bony layers, they have a very high stiffness.

879
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: This is critical for the raid to resist and produce

880
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: hydrodynamic forces that push on water. But if you try

881
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: to bend individual bony layers, they're very compliant, and that

882
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: part is critical for the rays to deform easily from

883
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: the base muscles. Barth. The Latin team have successfully recreated

884
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: as as complicated all that sounds to me, I I

885
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: just the way I picture it is like tons of

886
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: tiny little hinges within the ray, Like they are a

887
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: bunch of really stiff small pieces connected with collagen stack

888
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: up into a ray. That's how I pictured in my head.

889
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I I'm with you. It's it's heavy and interesting. What

890
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: are we making out of it? What are we making

891
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: out of well? So the team have successfully recreated fin

892
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: structures that incorporate all those hinges with a three d printer,

893
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: so they're actually recreating them in plastic. The kind of work.

894
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: So they're moving along, and the hope is that this

895
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: technology will inform both aircraft and submersible designs. So like,

896
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: take a second, imagine a drone with wings that have

897
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: the dynamic capacity for subtle adjustment like a fish is

898
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: fin right, So it's like a design like that. It

899
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: is probably a long way out, but it could completely

900
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: transform aviation. So when Amazon drones start delivering groceries and

901
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: spying through your windows, their wings might look just a

902
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: whole lot like fish fins. Bring that up all this

903
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: to talk about the Amazon. I couldn't help myself, I know,

904
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: I know, Well it's it's a drone. I might not

905
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: crash too so far that's uh, that hasn't existed. Hard

906
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: to do. I think that's fascinating. Man. We've had a

907
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: lot of good ones. Remember the shark skin on the

908
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: bottom of boats to make the more efficient in the water.

909
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: So at least this is going to aviation and submersible

910
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: technology like not you know, I don't know a swift

911
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: or sweeper that like we'll get under your couch without

912
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: you bending over or anything like that. You know, well

913
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: I would too with fish fin technology. UM. Always fascinated

914
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: by these man. You know, there's been a lot of

915
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: things that we claim we can borrow from fish to

916
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: make our lives better. I wonder, like, thirty years from now,

917
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: how like how much will this will be just common?

918
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, between the armor and the fins, Like,

919
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: how much of this are we really going to see?

920
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: Remember the one we did on on the potentially biodegradable

921
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: plastic made out of fish carcasses. Yes, that would be great.

922
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that. Yeah. Yeah, Well, no matter

923
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: no matter how smart the people are coming up with

924
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: all these things we can we can we can do

925
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: with fish carcasses and whatnot. Um, I I still don't

926
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: think they're going to impress Peter very much. And I

927
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: would I would like to say before I begin this,

928
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: uh this last story, that I go out of my

929
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: way to like really never give any press to Peter,

930
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: but today I have to. And I'm sorry because this

931
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: is just too much fun and and and too much us.

932
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: I think we'll have a little bit of a good

933
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: time here. So we've taken some pretty deep dives on

934
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: the show about birds wrapped in fishing, line right, And

935
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: what we ultimately agree on is that you you need

936
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: to be a steward out there. I think most of

937
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: you people listening are, and while certain things are going

938
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: to happen that we can't easily fix a remedy, we

939
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: make the effort to not leave mono lying around or

940
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: you know, get that lore or fly out of a

941
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: tree if possible, and so on. Nobody, including us, wants

942
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: to see birds wrapped up in fishing line. Okay, well,

943
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: last week Peter thought, hey, you know, Labor Day weekend

944
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: long weekend is fast approaching. Families might be thinking about

945
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: using that long weekend to fish, so we best hustle

946
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: up and put out some fresh anti fishing propaganda and

947
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: change some minds. But this time, rather than go with

948
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: the your dad's a murderer cruelty to fish angle that

949
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: I actually don't think worked very well for them over

950
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: the years, now it's birds getting wrapped in fishing line

951
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: that is now the main reason you should never, ever,

952
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: not ever once go fishing. And basically now they're saying, well,

953
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: if you fish, clearly you also give zero shits about

954
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: the health of birds in our environment. So wait, because

955
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: the punch lines still coming. So they released a video

956
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: of PETA team in full PETA uniform responding to a

957
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: call that looks like it's a Pea T shirt. Okay,

958
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: can you It was like like a furry costume was

959
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: picturing like a furry convention, so so much better. It's

960
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: really just a Pea T shirt and hat. Alright, alright,

961
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: trying to be a little dramatic, you know. So they're

962
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: in the full PETA uniform responding to a call about

963
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: a blue heron hanging from a tree via discarded fishing line,

964
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: and of course, as you can imagine, it's very sad music.

965
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: They went back to the Sarah McLaughlin deal. It's very downer.

966
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: And in the story it says quote while they were

967
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: able to paddle to the scene and free the heron,

968
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: the badly injured bird died on the way to emergency

969
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: veterinary care, and countless other animals endure similar fates as

970
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: a result of discarded fishing tackle. Now I watched this

971
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: video and they did not paddle all the way to

972
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: the bird. The opening scenes are the crew in said

973
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: PETA uniforms loading their kayak onto a small center console

974
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: boat that is brimming with rigged fishing rods, which suggests

975
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: to me that they leaned on some local angler or

976
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: charter captain to get them and their kayak to the

977
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: entangled heron. Now, isn't Here's what I'm saying, right, whoever

978
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: owns that boat, whoever that guy is, I don't fault him. Right,

979
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Like if someone said to me, like I was coming

980
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: into the dock and they were like, hey, dude, there's

981
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: a burden trouble we want to save it. Can you

982
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: give us a lift? I'd say, yeah, sure, you know

983
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, no problem, Like again, all four

984
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: saving birds don't want to see bad things happen to birds.

985
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: But is it just me? Or is the hypocrisy a

986
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: little strong there? You know what I mean? Like the

987
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: organization comes down so fiercely on anglers. I would just

988
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: assume they wouldn't even give someone who fishes the time

989
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: him of day, you know what I mean? Now, Like

990
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: maybe one rod, fine, Peter can look the other way.

991
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: A guy with one rod might just be like a

992
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: little bit horrible. But but this happened in Virginia, and

993
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: I I know some Virginia boys. I got some Virginia friends.

994
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: And most of the time when you've got six fairly

995
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: heavy rods rigged and ready on the bow, like you're

996
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: angling to put some reds or flounder or cats or

997
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: croakers in the damn cooler. And according to Peter in

998
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: their own story, by their own words, such people quote

999
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: hook gentle animals through their sensitive amounts, watch them slowly suffocate,

1000
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes even gut them while they're still alive. Okay,

1001
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: they used to pull the hog out and they used

1002
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: to eat it, your hypocrites, ohyah. So so maybe the

1003
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: average non angler wouldn't have caught that, but I did.

1004
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: I saw it, Peter, And shame on you, Like that's

1005
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: not right, Like we can't be that hard. If we're

1006
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: so awful, why would you even dared get on a

1007
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: boat with six rigged fishing rods with maybe popping quicks

1008
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: and knocker rigs on them, you know, so very I mean,

1009
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: the thing about Peter is that they don't. They have

1010
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: never trafficed in the logic. And I think I think

1011
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: I think the people at high Up and Peter would

1012
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: admit that. I think they'd be like, no, no no, no

1013
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: appeals to logic or not. What we do. We appeal

1014
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: to emotion. That's what we do, sure, and that's why

1015
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: the you know, most of our membership is made up

1016
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: of children between eight and fourteen. I mean, that's who

1017
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: they're targeting to be like, your parents are terrible, don't

1018
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: do this. They're they're they're just plucking those emotional heartstrings

1019
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: without having to do the messy work of making it

1020
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: makes sense. And they're very good at that they are.

1021
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: And it's funny because this this video was was only

1022
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: a couple of days old when I watched it, and

1023
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just just commenting on what I see

1024
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: with my own eyes. The view count on this one

1025
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: was very low. They were like twelve comments, and it

1026
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: was all people that were just like, oh my god,

1027
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: praise you for this content, for the herring. I mean,

1028
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: if if if we want to you just fall it off.

1029
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: In the last decade, they kind of I think so

1030
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: like there was nobody even there bothering to troll them.

1031
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: And like, if you're, by the way, if you're one

1032
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: of those people out there that are like you just

1033
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: live to troll ship, You're welcome because I just gave

1034
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: you the AMMO. I'm not doing it, but by all means,

1035
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: get on the video and be like how about them

1036
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: six fishing rods with the knocker rigs, you know what

1037
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean? And one could also say that herron in

1038
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: the eyes of many anglers, is just like one step

1039
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: above cormorant, you know what I mean. Like I mean,

1040
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: if you're trying to save the fish, yeah, you might

1041
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: want to whack. Just let that heron go. Just get

1042
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: out there and take out some cormorants and it will

1043
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: all be good. Uh, we'll see who who Phil has

1044
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: mercy on this week. Gave him a lot to think

1045
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: about there. As soon as we're done, we're gonna jump

1046
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: right into fin clips. Um. If you didn't think you

1047
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: knew anything about the snail darter, let's see what you

1048
00:55:53,719 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: know about gold eye Joe Surmill for your eagle eyed

1049
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Peter video viewing this week, you have been crowned the

1050
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: winner by me, just as an eagle. Don't get cotton

1051
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: some fishing line. Also, when you were sharing your story

1052
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: about DeLong Lures, a beloved company shuttered for decades only

1053
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: to reopen again. When some passers by spot smoke rising

1054
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: from the chimneys, it reminded me of something else, a

1055
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: similar story. Come with me and you'll be in a

1056
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: world of your imagination. You don't think that maybe David

1057
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: DeLong will hide five golden bass lures in bait shops

1058
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: around the world, invite these five lucky winners to the factory.

1059
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: Just think about it. There will be a chocolate river

1060
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: filled with muskie, the snasberries taste like salt water, and

1061
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: one lucky winner will be taken up to his great

1062
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: glass catamaran into the sky, where they'll be given the

1063
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: keys to DeLong Lowers and let their wildest dreams come true.

1064
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: Just make sure you don't get tempted to steal their

1065
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: ideas and sell them off to Heart or Venom or

1066
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: some other lure company that I just googled or else. Well,

1067
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: you lose good day, sir. Pictured the scene late summer

1068
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: in southwest Montana, fingers wrapped around or handles in the

1069
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: middle of a drift boat floating into that blurry geographic

1070
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: edge where craggy peaks and vertical creeks give way to

1071
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: the meandering grasslands of the prairie. I'm in my third

1072
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: season as a fishing guide, salty enough to have earned

1073
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: intimacy on a respectable number of river miles, but green

1074
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: enough to still find myself in unknown territory when I

1075
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: get sucked into the gravitational pull of multi boat trips.

1076
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: This was one of those trips. The outfitter I was

1077
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: working for called the play lower Yellowstone. This is back

1078
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: in the day when anything below Big Timber felt as

1079
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: remote as come Chotka, and we were well below Big Timber.

1080
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that I had to follow the caravan

1081
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: to find the put in and stay within range of

1082
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: the other boats to make sure I didn't miss the

1083
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: take out, everything had gone surprisingly well. The clients rod

1084
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: stayed bent most of the day, and the gentleman in

1085
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: the back, who would later go on to fish dozens

1086
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: of days with me, even managed a two foot brown

1087
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: trout on a size sixteen dry fly. I was feeling heroic,

1088
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: but at six pm we were still drifting pitching grasshoppers

1089
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: along brushy banks beside overgrazed fields, and I had no

1090
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: idea where we were. For me, the fish had fallen

1091
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: back on the priority list. We had already caught plenty,

1092
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: and I was more concerned with making sure we didn't

1093
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: end up floating to billings. The clients cast their flies

1094
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: to the edge of a big back eddy behind a

1095
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: rip rap point I hardly noticed the aggressive slash on

1096
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: the surface, but yelled out set instinctively. The client in

1097
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: the front lifted his rod, and the strangest thing happened

1098
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: there in the golden light of the late afternoon, against

1099
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: the backdrop of sun bleached grasses, the fish broke from

1100
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: the water and shook its head. I thought I was hallucinating,

1101
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: because I knew damn well there are no baby turpin

1102
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: in the yellow Stone River. But if forced to identify

1103
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: that fish off one distant jump, that's probably what I

1104
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: would have gassed. Once we scooped it into the net

1105
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: and I got a good long look at the deep bodied,

1106
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: silver scaled specimen with its massive, jaundiced eyes, I had

1107
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: even less idea what I was looking at. The client asked,

1108
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: what is that? It's a Missouri river shed. I responded,

1109
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: hoping that the confidence in my voice would smother any

1110
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: follow up questions. Maybe the client, being from South Carolina,

1111
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: knew little about the native species of the Rockies and

1112
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: the plains, or maybe he was just polite enough not

1113
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: to want to make me look like a jackass in

1114
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: my own boat. Either way, he acted satisfied with my answer.

1115
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: We released the fish and hit the take out ramp

1116
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: just at dark over Beers. Later that night, I told

1117
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: one of the other guides about the mystery fish. Well,

1118
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: that was a gold eye, he explained. You catch those

1119
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: in the lower river, where the white fish end the

1120
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: gold eye begin. Hia don alisoids can be found all

1121
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: over North America, from the Quebec Ontario border to the

1122
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: Canadian Rockies, from central Montana to Louisiana, and throughout the

1123
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: Missouri and Mississippi river systems. I wasn't that far off

1124
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: in my creative renaming of this fish. The word alisoidas

1125
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: the Latin name for the species, actually means shed like.

1126
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: They look remarkably similar to shad, but they are not

1127
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: at all related. I was not the first person to

1128
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: have difficulty classifying these fish. Either. Gold eye and their

1129
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: cousins moon i are not closely related to any other

1130
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: living fishes. Though their ancestors go back at least thirty

1131
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: four million years in the fossil record, they're the only

1132
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: ones left in their genus and order. Taxonomists and biologists

1133
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: have struggled to figure out where these somewhat generic, silvery

1134
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: looking fish fit into the evolutionary puzzle for a long time.

1135
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: And they still don't really know. Up until recently, these

1136
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: fish were thought to be related to African knife fish,

1137
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: though that hypothesis seems to have been recently discounted. Gold

1138
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: eye are generally found in large rivers like the Missouri, Mississippi, Ohio,

1139
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: and read. They prefer to hang out in eddies and

1140
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: backwaters adjacent to the main flow. As with so many

1141
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: fish that don't have strong commercial or recreational value, much

1142
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: about these fish remains kind of mysterious. Despite their wide

1143
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: distribution and relatively high abundance, no one has ever observed

1144
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: gold eye spawning. We know they spawned sometime between late

1145
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: winter and spring, depending on the latitude, and that some

1146
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: populations make spawning migrations of a hundred miles or so.

1147
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: Most sources claim that their broadcast spawners, but one paper

1148
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: hypothesizes that males cut their anal fins to the vents

1149
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: of females, and that both the male and female release

1150
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: their game meats into the male's cup fin, which sounds

1151
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: at least a little more intimate and satisfying than broadcast spawning.

1152
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: Those fertilized eggs are coated in oil, which makes them

1153
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: semi buoyant, meaning the eggs don't sink, they suspend and

1154
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: drift just below the surface. While this is common in

1155
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: marine fishes, it's almost unheard of for freshwater species. After

1156
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: drifting for about two weeks, the eggs hatch into larvae

1157
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: that continue to hang out on the surface, suspended vertically

1158
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: looking skyward. Whereas most smaller freshwater fish grow and reproduce

1159
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: quickly as an evolutionary strategy, gold eye take their time.

1160
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: Males don't reach sexual maturity for six to nine years,

1161
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: and for females it can take up to a decade.

1162
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: Even though these fish rarely exceed twenty inches in length,

1163
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: they can live up to thirty years. Gold Eye got

1164
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: their name from their oversized and distinctive yellow orange eyeballs,

1165
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: which are one of the few characteristics that set them

1166
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: apart from moon i. Unlike moone i, gold eye are

1167
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: better able to see and feed in turbid water, and

1168
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: are therefore more likely to be found in flows that

1169
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: lack clarity than their moony relatives. Though woefully unsung, these

1170
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: fisher tailor made for light tackle fishing. First off, they

1171
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: eat anything, and I mean truly anything they can get

1172
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: ahold of, While the majority of their diet consists of

1173
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: aquatic and terrestrial insects. They also eat plenty of bait fish.

1174
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: Earlier this summer, my buddy Rick Mattne, who's been on

1175
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: the show before, called to inform me that his clients

1176
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: had caught no less than a dozen gold eye on

1177
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: mouse flies that day. You can fish for them just

1178
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: about any way you want. Dry flies, nymphs, streamers, spinners, spoons,

1179
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: small jerk baits, worms, crickets, minnows, you name it. If

1180
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: you get it in front of a gold eye, it'll

1181
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: probably get lunched. They are most active at night and

1182
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: during low light periods, but can be caught any time

1183
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: of the day. Once hooked, most gold ie will give

1184
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: you at least one good jump. They like to put

1185
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: on a show. I've only heard two knocks against gold Eye.

1186
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: One they don't get real big. A fifteen injur is respectable,

1187
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: and a twenty inch or is a hog. But come on,

1188
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's true for most trout fisheries. The other

1189
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: complaint I've heard is that they lack stamina. They give

1190
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you a couple of good runs, a jump too, and

1191
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: then give up. But to me, that's hardly a major problem.

1192
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: What do you expect from a fish that rarely cracks

1193
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: two pounds. Since that first day I had one coming

1194
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: to my net as bycatch, I have enjoyed many a

1195
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: fine evening fishing for gold eye. I generally target them

1196
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: in late summer when they're eager to come to the

1197
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: surface for grasshoppers, ants, and beetles. I've never eaten one personally,

1198
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: but I've heard they're similar to shed and herring. Good smoked,

1199
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: but not something you want to bother fling due to

1200
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: the bones and the oil. Speaking of their oily meat,

1201
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: I do happen to know that freshly caught gold I

1202
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: make dynamite cut bait for channel cats. I have never

1203
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: caught a moone i myself, but I hear that they

1204
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: are very similar. If you live anywhere near a large

1205
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: river between the Rockies and the Appalachians, chances are good

1206
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: one or both of these fish are swimming around close

1207
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: to home, and they're probably not seeing a lot of pressure.

1208
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: Next time you're in the mood to try something different,

1209
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: grab an ultra light rod or five weight and go

1210
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: prospects some slack water pockets, and remember, no matter what

1211
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: your eyes or your guide tell you, it's not a

1212
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: baby tarpet. So while I am familiar with moone I,

1213
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: I was actually pretty unaware of this fish. I gotta

1214
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: say most people are most people are we we we

1215
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: We've had a few listeners hit us up about given

1216
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: the moon I some love. But the truth is I've

1217
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: never personally caught a mooney, so I can't speak to them.

1218
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: I can't do that segment. But if there are anything

1219
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: like gold at which they are are, then I consider

1220
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: them totally badass. Yeah and and sadly, I can't do

1221
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: the moon I either because I I haven't caught one either.

1222
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: Right and this summer, yeah no, this summer I was.

1223
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: I was in their presence. However, while shooting a B

1224
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: side episode for this upcoming season, they were in the river.

1225
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: I was fishing, dude. I was fishing with Tyler Winner.

1226
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: He caught one, um and I even switched to like

1227
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: dry and wet flies, real small stuff, specifically looking to

1228
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: hook one for a little while. But the water was

1229
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: just it was crazy high. It's kind of a long story,

1230
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: you'll see it later, but the conditions just weren't great.

1231
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: So I spent some time trying. It just didn't happen.

1232
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I think there's there's something in the

1233
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: future maybe should be considered about gold iron MOONI because

1234
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: they are underappreciated, really cool fish, particularly on a fly rod.

1235
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: But but on anything they Yeah. Anyway, on the subject

1236
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: of missed opportunities, Joe is about to tell you about

1237
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: his uh shall we say, rocky relationship, a particular fly

1238
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: pattern that lots of people swear are by, but me personally,

1239
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: I have yet to even tie one onto the end

1240
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: of my line. But perhaps after this I'll finally get

1241
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: on the bus. Well, that's not loud enough. The Drunken

1242
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: Disorderly streamer, often shortened to just the D and D,

1243
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: was created by Michigan based trout guide Tom Lynch, and

1244
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: the drunk came into existence about fifteen years ago, and

1245
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: one could even argue that this pattern marked the very

1246
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: first blatant attempt by a fly tire to recreate the

1247
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: action and presentation of a very specific conventional lure, in

1248
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 1: this case, the classic rapple of floater. Since then, fly

1249
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: anglers have largely embraced this premise, leaning on everything from

1250
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: synthetic paddle tails to plastic lips to make their streamers

1251
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: look more like lures, which is ironic, is it not.

1252
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: I've always thought so, because while tying flies that do

1253
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: lure things is okay, I guess just picking up a

1254
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: spinning rod and casting laure's that do lure things is

1255
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: not acceptable to many of these fly dudes. But I digress.

1256
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: I interviewed Tom Lynch about the D and D years ago,

1257
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: and what he told me is that he believed it

1258
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: was the erratic jack knifing that made a classic rapple

1259
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: is so effective. He believed that that quick kick to

1260
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: the side that revealed the laura's full profile and flash

1261
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: was the ultimate trigger. This explains the unique downward angled,

1262
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 1: wedge shaped head of a drunken disorderly, which is carved

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: out of tightly packed deer hair. Tom will tell you

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: straight up that that head is one modeled after a

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: rappleas lip, and I will tell you that the first

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: time I ever used the D and D, I hated

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: the damn thing. Drunks are available in several sizes, but

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: the O, G, D and D is approximately four inches long, jointed,

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: sporting two hooks, packed with flash and rounded out by

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01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: mallard feathers and rabbit strips strategically ashened to make the fly, keel,

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: jackknife and pivot. The first D and D I ever

1272
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: owned was given to me by a guide buddy on

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: the Upper Delaware River that all he said to me

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01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: was these are really good man. A few months later

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: I tied the fly on during a miserable float on

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01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: the same river, after miles of moving zero fish on streamers,

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, this thing really sucks? Man.

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: All I knew of it was that it was modeled

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 1: after the rapilists. So I cast and stripped in long,

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: steady pulls, assuming it would dig and wobble like a

1281
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,959
Speaker 1: stick bait. But all it did was spin around awkwardly

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 1: and really pissed me off. Of course, the problem here, however,

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't the fly. It was just my ignorance. I

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't get educated until the following winter, when I met

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01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: my buddy and guide Nick Raftist on the Lehigh River

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: in eastern Pennsylvania. Tie on a drunk, he said, bullshit,

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: I said, But then he explained a few things. He

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: had been fishing his drunks on longer leaders, maybe seven

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: ft instead of the usual four or five we both

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: like for streamers. He was using a heavier sink tip,

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: helping to create a belly between the fly and the

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: end of the line faster on splashdown. I took his

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: word for it, figuring I'll give this a mile before

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01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: I switched to a different pattern. Nick also explained that

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01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: it's all in the wrist. Don't overwork it, he said, short,

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01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: fast wrist strips, and all of a sudden, I gotta

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: tell you that drunk came to life kicking this way

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: than that, spinning around on itself, diving down on one

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: strip and rising up on the next, and within a

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: quarter mile I had a brown come out and just

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: freaking slam it. And I'd end up taking four more

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: solid fish throughout the day, which is a high number

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01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: for the time of year and the part of the

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01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: river we were fishing on. Now, in the years since,

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: I've caught hundreds more browns on a D and D.

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I won't go streamer fishing without one.

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: I have witnessed its magical ability to conjure up strikes

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: when no other streamer has on way more than just

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: one occasion, almost suggesting that when a drunk is doing

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: its thing and really working properly, it makes trout so

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: freaking mad. They just have to kill it, even if

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: they're not really in the mood to chew. Like most

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01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: gaudy streamers, the drunk kicks the most ass in slightly high,

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01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: slightly stained water, but even in low clear water it

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: has really earned its keep, and not just on trout

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: but small mouths too. Yes, you could say I've grown

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: to love fishing the drunk. Tying it. On the other hand,

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01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: well not so much, because it's arguably one of the

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: most difficult streamers to tie. Getting from the tail through

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: the collar, that's a piece of cake. Anyone can do that.

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: But screw up that head and it's over. It simply

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01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: will not perform. It will not swim if that head

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: is slightly off. And I've gotten to the point where

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: if I nail the head on the first try in

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: one out of four attempts, I'm pretty proud. But really,

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: at the fly tying desk, I hate this fan fly Well,

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: we are just about out of opportunities to say things

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01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: that might get us fired or humiliated. But before we go,

1329
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: remember that priests, pastors, rabbis, ministers and moms, monks and

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: other religious leaders might just leave their piety at the

1331
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: dock and turn into regular foul mouth anglers when they

1332
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: go fishing. Amen, our friends at their team fishing don't

1333
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: care how much of a degenerate you are and are

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: offering you off your next purchase. Amen. Again, there are

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01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: no tarpin shed or herring in the Mountain West, no

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: matter what your idiot guide tells you. And Joe doesn't

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: have to be drunken disorderly to admit he's wrong about

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01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: the drunk and disorderly. No, I do not please send

1339
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: any and all stories of you putting your feet in

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01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: your mouths, as well as any bar nominations, sabin items,

1341
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: awkward phishing photos, and phish news suggestions to Bent at

1342
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com and keep on tagging your

1343
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: posts with the Generate Angler and Bent podcast. And if

1344
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: you want to keep up with all the stupid things

1345
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: your fellow degenerates say and do on the socials, you

1346
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: might want to follow those hashtags as well. And finally,

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: I'd just like to give a special thanks to my wife, who,

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01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: though not an actual surgeon, has skillfully removed my toes

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: from my tonsils more times than I can down