1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we try 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: to get to the heart of the issues that matter 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: to you. Today, we're diving into the high stakes battle 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: over redistricting in Texas with Attorney General Ken Paxton, who's 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: also running for Senate against Sean Cornyan. As Democrats flee 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: the state to break quorum and block GP lead maps, 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: there's been accusations of Jerry mannering and voter suppression that 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: have been flying. There's data showing some stark disparities in 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: states and Democrat states like California where Republicans hold forty 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: percent of the vote but only seventeen percent of the 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: congressional districts. 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: Also the states like Massachusetts. 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Where thirty five percent of the vote Republicans have gotten 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: but yet they hold zero seats, zilch, nada. So, needless 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: to say, the fight over fair represation, well, it's red hot. 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: You've probably seen in the news. The media has been 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: covering it. So we'll unpack it today with Attorney General 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Ken Paxton. So stay tuned to unpack all of this 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: on the legal, the political, and the ethical firestorm. Attorney 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: General Ken Paxton, it's great to have you on the show. 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: You're a busy man right now. Texas, Texas is getting 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: a lot of attention right now, so I know that 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: you've been busy, you know. 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: So it is rare to do a you know, mid 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: decade redistricting, which is what Texas is doing right now. 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: But like on the jerrymandering front, like if this were 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: California or Massachusetts or New York, would anyone be talking 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: about it? 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 3: Oh, Massachusetts doesn't have a single Republican congress then not one. 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: They jerry made it so good that there's a Republican 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: can't win up there. I think if you go to Illinois, 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: so these are the states where the Democrats left you. 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: Illinois has three Republicans out of seventeen fourteen Democrats, and 34 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: New York is similar. So these states are all these 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: democratic states are really well jerry mandered, much better than 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: we are. We're we're we're almost in line with our representation. 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: Democrat Republican. 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you look at Massachusetts, so Republicans got 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: thirty five percent of the statewide vote, yet hold zero 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, of the seats out of the nine 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: congressional seats there. You know, the list kind of goes 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: on California one forty percent of the statewide vote, holds 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: seventeen percent out of the seats nine out of fifty two. 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: You know, New Mexico got forty percent of the statewide 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: vote hold zero percent of congressional seats. There are the 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: House seats there, so you know, the list goes on 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: with the left. I guess what what is because typically 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: the redistricting has done every decade after the census. I 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: guess what is the basis for doing it now? 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: It's pretty simple. Our state has grown more than any 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: other state in the country. We've added millions of people, 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: and so the representation is out of balance. So because 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: we have more people moving into certain areas and so 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: some people are overrepresented now some people underrepresented. So it's 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: not like we're adding new representatives because you only get 56 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: those every ten years. However, because of our growth pattern, 57 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: we need to reach all the lines so our people 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: are more fairly represented. 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: So basically, the Democrats pieced out released I think it's like, 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: is it still fifty one out of sixty two of 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: the House Democrats fled. 62 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: That's the state. Yeah, yes, that's my understanding. 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So basically what they did is they left 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: to break quorum, more or less so because Texas requires 65 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: one hundred of its one hundred and fifty members present 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: to conduct business, and there's eighty eight Republicans. So these 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Democrats fled to places like Illinois and other places in 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: the country. 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Why do you think they did that. 70 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is not the first time they've 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: done that either. 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: This is the third time. So I was in the 73 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: House in two thousand and three they left, Then they 74 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: did it. In twenty twenty one they left, and then 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: and by the way, in twenty twenty three, we were 76 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: trying to redistrict during regular session, and we ended up 77 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: going for a regular session in May, started in January. 78 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: We were in session till October waiting for them to 79 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: come back. Middle of October we finished. So they it's 80 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: interesting that they have done this three times, but they 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: have never left the state for any other issue, any 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: other controversial issue that they thought they were going to 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: lose on. They would come in and fight this one. 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: They don't. They disappear. It's really really interesting, and it 85 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 3: is so interesting to me that the Democrat states that 86 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: they're going to I don't. I don't know if they 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: just don't get it, or there's that much hypocrisy that 88 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: those states are so gerimanted, and yet somehow they have 89 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: self righteous attitude of what you guys are doing is 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: so evil and bad, but we're doing it, and it's 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: just we're doing it. We're doing it much better than you, 92 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: so it's okay. 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's also like a little rich for those on 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: the left to talk about like threats to democracy after 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: trying to jail President Trump in you know, I guess 96 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: four different you know, occasions of four different cases and 97 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: me they came after me too, yes, and then kick 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: them off the ballot in certain states. 99 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: So like it is like a little rich. 100 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: I think they've stort or you know, light teslas on fire, 101 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: or attack ICE agents or uh you know call ICE 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: the Gestapo and you know, try to encourage uh, you know, 103 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: these massive attacks that we've seen on ICE agents. Like 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: it's a little rich to be lectured about threats to 105 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: democracy from them. 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: Well, especially when they're also they've been the masters at 107 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: rigging elections. If you look at the Democratic states, one, 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: they mostly. 109 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 4: Don't have photo I D, so it's it's much easier 110 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 4: to cheat if there's no photo ID and I know 111 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 4: that because we used to prosecute voter fraud, and so 112 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: these states almost invite with mail in ballots and they 113 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 4: invite voter fraud. 114 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 3: So I mean, it's controlled by the left through the vote, 115 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: and you have people cheating and no one does anything 116 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: about it in these states. 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: Well, it's also like they just opened the floodgates to 118 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants. And we've heard from people like Congresswoman Uvet 119 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Clark has said, I think, on a couple of different occasions, 120 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: once in an interview at least that I've heard, and 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: then also before Congress saying that she needs more migrants. 122 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: For redistricting purposes, because we. 123 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: Know that that changes the allocation of both electoral college 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: votes as well as apportionment in the for the electoral 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: college and for Congress as well for these House seeds. 126 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: So it's like and that, you know, it's. 127 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: Pretty easy to conclude that the whole reason why they 128 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: open the southern border is for redistricting purposes and for 129 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, power purposes. 130 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: I totally agree. And can you imagine if we eliminated 131 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: legal immigrants from the census who can't vote or shouldn't vote, 132 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: and we also got rid of cherrymandering in these states. 133 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: How different Congress would look if it were done the 134 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: right way. 135 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: What if you seen in Texas. I want to get 136 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: back to the Jerry manoring in a second, but just 137 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: since we brought up the immigration aspect, like, how much 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: has Texas changed since President Trump took over. I mean, 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: I know we're seeing like record lows that we've never 140 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: seen before, but how has that, you know, positively impacted 141 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Texas well? 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's very illegal. Immigration has a lot of 143 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: costs for US. It's very expensive because we have to 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: educate required by Supreme Court decision to educate everybody, take 145 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: care of health care. We have law enforcement costs, we 146 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: have social costs, we have welfare costs. It's billions and 147 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: billions of dollars. And it also creates risk of crime, 148 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 3: and we've had higher crime rates and people have been killed, 149 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: and higher drug crimes and more kids dying of fetanyl 150 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 3: over this. Those are all consequences of the Biden immigration policy, 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: which was let everybody in will help you get here, 152 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: and we'll help you, will help you stay instead of 153 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: following federal loss. It has some very dramatic which is 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: part of the reason I think many of Hispanics in 155 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Texas have moved Republican because they don't like that. They 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: don't want people coming from across the border from one 157 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty different countries who are higher risk of 158 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: crime and who are causing them to have a heart 159 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: of life. 160 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: It is interesting. 161 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of a smart strategy if you 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: think about it, because you know, they open the floodgates 163 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: to millions of illegal immigrants, and then now they're fighting 164 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: President Trump's deportation efforts to try to keep these people 165 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: in the country. And then if they were to get 166 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: another Democrat president in the country like boom, you know, 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: open borders again. And then you look at the immigration 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: courts and there's such a backlog. I think it's like 169 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: almost like four million people backlog in the immigration court. 170 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a brilliant strategy if you 171 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: think about it. 172 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: It is brilliant if you don't care about the consequences 173 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: to America. You don't care about the law first of all, 174 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: and then you don't care about the negative economic and 175 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: social costs of it and how it impacts the America 176 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: in a negative way, and knowing full well that for instance, 177 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: that children are going to die from vent all over 178 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: those is because you let the border, you let border 179 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 3: with control down. So they were willing to sacrifice the 180 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: good of Americans for their political purposes. It's kind of 181 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: evil to me. 182 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Does it surprise you that they've gone as far as 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: like with Kilmore Brigo Garcia, who's obviously been accused of 184 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: human trafficking, as well as you know, being a part 185 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: of MS thirteen, affiliated with MS thirteen, and the whole 186 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: host of other concerns. Did it surprise you that they 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: went to the links of like visiting l Salvador and 188 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: like calling him a Marilyn man and sort of like 189 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: embracing this man who you know, beat us a wife 190 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: and also is allegedly affiliated with MS thirteen. 191 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: Even you know, it's hard to say that things surprise 192 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: me these days, but that that was what that was 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: across the line US Senator. I think it's from Connecticut, 194 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: Chris van Holler, whatever his name is, going down there 195 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: to try to rescue this guy and help this guy 196 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: that is truly a criminal, a bad criminal. It's I 197 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: think that's really hard for most Americans to accept or 198 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: believe is actually happening. 199 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: I've got to take a quick commercial break more with 200 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Attorney General Ken Paxton on the other side. If you're 201 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: enjoying the episode, please post on social media or share 202 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: with your friends. 203 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: Did they care about Americans? 204 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: Because it's like I thought this was sort of, you know, 205 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: judicated in this past election cycle where Americans were saying, 206 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: you know what, like we're not being put first and 207 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: you're prioritizing the needs of illegal immigrants. And we saw 208 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: concerns and you know a lot of inner cities as well, 209 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: with minority communities being really angry at the fact that 210 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: their taxpayer dollars were going to legal immigrants as opposed 211 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: to them. And so you would think that they would 212 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: recognize the connection between Americans, you know, being fed up 213 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: with sort of illegal immigrants coming into a country taking 214 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: her resources, and then yet Democrats seem to continue to 215 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: prioritize their needs over American citizens. 216 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 3: I think they get so excited about the policit benefits 217 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: to them that they're willing to sacrifice and almost not 218 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: notice the harm. Maybe push it aside. Maybe they do 219 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: notice the harm. I mean, it's hard for me to 220 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: believe like the Biden administration was not fully aware when 221 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: they said no more deportations, that they were going to 222 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: get a lot more people, and that the cartels were 223 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: going to be very excited about that, and that they 224 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: were going to be social costs, really bad social costs. 225 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: Some people are going to die. It's hard for me 226 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: to believe that they didn't know that, since it's obvious 227 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: that that's going to happen, so that if they knew 228 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: about it, it's pretty evil. If they didn't know about it, 229 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: it's pretty negligent. 230 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: So it kind of gets me back to where we 231 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: started in terms of, like what do we do about 232 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: some of this? You know, I mean obviously the Democrats 233 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: prioritize power over anything, and so it's like, how do 234 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: you fight back? And I know you've talked about, you know, 235 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: potentially arresting some of the Democrats who left to break decorum. 236 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: You know, what legal authority is there to do that? 237 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: And is that happening or can you kind of give 238 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: us an update on that aspect of this conversation. 239 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there were a couple of possibilities here. 240 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: One the speaker, had he thought about or done it, 241 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: he could have locked him in when they were here, 242 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: because they were here and before the map came onto 243 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: the House floor, it came out of committee. They left, 244 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: so we could have locked them in well once they left, 245 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: we in twenty twenty one, my office went all the 246 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: way to Texas Supreme Court and we got into adjudication 247 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: or an answer that said, yes, the speaker, if he 248 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 3: puts a call in the House, he can arrest these 249 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: people and bring them back. They're not going to prison, 250 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: They're being brought back to the Texas House. So that 251 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 3: is perfectly appropriate. The problem is they go out of 252 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: state and they go to liberal democratic states where law 253 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: enforcement will not help us, and so we don't have 254 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: jurisdiction to go get him unless we had some help. 255 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: But that may be remedy. We have some ideas that 256 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: we're working on there probably this week that may impact 257 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: our ability to go arrest them. And then the other 258 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: possibility right now is we're trying to remove some of 259 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: these people from office for not showing up for their jobs, 260 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: which is I think a definite possibility. 261 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: And has that been done before? Would this be the 262 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: first time that's been done. 263 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: No, this was an idea my office came up with 264 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. The last time they tried it. 265 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: It's never been tried, so you know, this is definitely 266 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: uncharted territory. And we're going to file on Friday against 267 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: several REPS representatives that are gone. If they don't show 268 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: up on Friday, the speaker game of deadline, you need 269 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: to be back. You gave them a call and said 270 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: you need to be back on Friday. So we're gonna 271 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: we're waiting that out and if they show up good, 272 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: that's what we hope for. If they don't, then we're 273 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: going to pursue some of these representatives in court and 274 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: try to remove them. 275 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: And so what sort of I mean, I assume there's 276 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: probably already lawsuits or will be law suits once the 277 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: map is completed in Texas, right, you'll probably face the 278 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: lawsuits for that, and then lawsuits obviously if you know 279 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: you move forward with sort of vacating these seats. 280 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: Like what what sort of lawsuits? 281 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: I guess have you already faced in this and are 282 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: you expecting that are incoming? 283 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: No, we're I mean we're still involved in litigation over 284 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: the last map and when I got when I got 285 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: into office, I was in litigation for eight years over 286 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: the previous map. So yeah, it almost takes the whole 287 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: ten years to litigate. It's like crazy, right, and we've won. 288 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: I think we would win again on our last map. 289 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: It won't matter if this one goes when this one 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: goes through, but yeah, I mean we'll definitely get sued. 291 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: This is a tactic that they that the left uses, 292 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: which is interesting because you know, going back to our 293 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: original conversation, the left and all these liberal states, how 294 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: can you have a state mess chess with no Republican 295 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: House member and that get get through. I mean that it 296 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: just doesn't make any sense, right, Or Illinois that just 297 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: has three and as you mentioned, they're state after state 298 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: they seem to survive it and have no problem. And 299 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: I don't even know if those states get litigation, but 300 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: we do. 301 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: You're running for Senate against Cornyn, primarying him. You know, 302 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: it kind of gets this broader question of and I 303 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: sort of wrestle this with in my mind is like 304 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: obviously the left their drunk on power, like they'll do anything. 305 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: They always believe in the ends justify the means. I mean, 306 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Biden said that Trump should be put in a bull's 307 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: eye before he was almost assassinated, right, Like that's how 308 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: like evil these people are but it's like if we 309 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: respond in kind, does it just sort of like set 310 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: off sort of this never ending cycle of whoever is 311 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: not in power, is you know, has to be concerned 312 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: about being thrown in jail and arrested? Or is that 313 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: sort of like inevitable? Like I guess I don't know, 314 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: Like how do. 315 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: You how do you respond? 316 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: What is the right way to respond to that level 317 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: of abuse of power and like like evil and and 318 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: justify the means mentality? 319 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, and look it's not just don't because I've seen 320 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: it my own party. I've been I've had you know, 321 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: Republicans come after me in a very similar way. Here. 322 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: What I've said is if if we're trying to do 323 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: this the right way we have, we're to real disadvantage 324 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: to the left and even some people are our own 325 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: party because we're we should be limited by the truth, 326 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: the law, and decency. So we're confined by those things 327 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: because if we go if we if we don't care 328 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: about the law and we don't care about the truth, 329 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: and we won't care, we don't care about being decent 330 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: to people, then how are we any better than the 331 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: other side? So but that really limits so we there 332 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: are things. We can't do that. So we have to 333 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: be better, We have to be more passionate, we have 334 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: to care more, and we have to work harder because 335 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: we are at a disadvantage because they're not afraid a 336 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: lot of times, they're not afraid of breaking the law, 337 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: they're not afraid of using the weaponizing the justice system. 338 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: They're not afraid to put people in jail that have 339 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: done nothing wrong. They're happy to do it. And so 340 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 3: we we don't feel good about doing that, and so 341 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: we really are limited. But we have won a lot 342 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: of battles doing the right doing the right thing the 343 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: right way. 344 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Do you think the Trump administration is being you know, 345 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: tough enough? What we're seeing some of these criminal referrals 346 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: for people who were previously involved in the Russia hoax 347 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: and you know, involved in uh, you know, sort of 348 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: the abuse of power, in the weaponization of government against 349 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: uh President Trump during his first term. Do you think 350 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: they're being tough enough and in the response to all 351 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: of this. 352 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: I like that they're now looking at this whole Russian 353 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: hoax thing, which everybody knows was a total scam and 354 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: the government was involved in it. They definitely should this 355 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: isn't just retaliation. This is like corruption in like our 356 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: justice system. There's a lot more of that. And I 357 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: had I have information about corrupt people in you know, 358 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: Department Justice and the FBI that I would love to 359 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: have more access to to to give them those names 360 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: and these people be fired, because I know for a 361 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: fact there are a lot of corrupt people still at 362 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: DJ and still at the FBI that have not been 363 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: rooted out. And I am concerned that, you know, if 364 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I understand the you know, the Attorney General's 365 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: only even there four months or whatever, but we cannot 366 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 3: let this opportunity go away. We have to root out 367 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: corruption in those places. 368 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's you know, if it's not, then we're 369 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: going to continue to see this and we might anyways, 370 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: but you know, people, you know, it's just like the 371 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: soft on crime stuff. People tend to not engage in 372 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: criminality if they believe there will be consequences. 373 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 3: And so yeah, and if you root it out, I mean, 374 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: if you get rid of some of these people that 375 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: are willing to do that stuff, and we know that 376 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: they are because they've done it at the FBI, they've 377 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: done it at DJ. It's not just President Trump that 378 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: suffered this. There were you know, thousands of people who've 379 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: been unjustly prosecuted. There are cases going on right now 380 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: still from the Biden dj have not been stopped that 381 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: have not that people are gonna end up in jail. 382 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: I may have already ended up in jail that shouldn't 383 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: have been there because they were attacked for their political 384 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: views and they were there were contrived things made up 385 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 3: about them. And you know, it's difficult when the federal 386 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: government has all the assets and all the resources and 387 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: you're in a liberal place and the jury's liberal and 388 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: the grand you know, the grand juries, they're all liberal. 389 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: You're you're you're a huge disadvantage. 390 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: And then real quick before we go, I wanted to 391 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: get this in obviously Texas after the floods just you know, 392 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: a lot of a ton of loss of life and 393 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: you guys were very hard hit. It was really difficult. 394 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, I did some co hosting right after the 395 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: flood took place, and uh, just really heartbreaking to hear 396 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: some of these stories like how is Texas doing? And 397 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: then you know, also that's another aspect of trying to 398 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: get these Democrats back to vote on you know, legislation 399 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: for for funding and to take care of your people. 400 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's really important to note because it's 401 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: easy to forget it. You know, everybody saw the tragedy, 402 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: people really jumped in. I was down there and I 403 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 3: was really just so encouraged by the volunteerism and the 404 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: professionalism of you know, the first responders that all just 405 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: felt great. The problem they have is, you know, there's 406 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: been millions and millions of dollars worth of damage and 407 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: some of these communities don't really have a easy way 408 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: of coming back unless they get some type of help, 409 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: both charitable government, federal state. You know, they need help, 410 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: and it's just easy to forget that and shortly after 411 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: the tragedy's over and move on to the next problem. 412 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: So hopefully, you know, we can get these Democrats back 413 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: back to vote, because that's another really important issue for 414 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: the state. 415 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General Ken Paxon, we're still praying for Texas. 416 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking the time. 417 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: I know you're a busy man right now, so we 418 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you sharing your time with us. 419 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: Always glad to come on. Thanks for having me. 420 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: On this those Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton appreciate him 421 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: for taking the time to come on the show. 422 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys at home. 423 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: For listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listened 424 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: throughout the week. Also want to thank my producer John 425 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: Cassio for putting the show together. 426 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: Until next time.