1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Ikadapa here a podcast taking place on a 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: day they will live in infamy and set a country ablaze. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: I am, of course referring to Guy Fox Day. I'm 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: your host, be along with these James. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm here. I'm excited. I'm excited to share with people 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: some of our national traditions in the United Kingdom. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so as a person from the country who 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: won who won the Revolution? I get to do the 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: British episode because you should. I fucking yes. 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 3: So all right. 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: The the thing about the Gunpowder plot is that, like 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: another event occurring in November fifth, there are no heroes 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: and everyone like sucks shit. Yes, So in order in 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: order to return to a type of heroes and to 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: get the context of what the fuck is going on here, 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: we're taking a digression because I am never going to 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: get an other chance to talk about this part of 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: history unless I read a Martin Luther episode. So or 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: going all the way back to the origins of the 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: split between Protestantism and. 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: Catholicism. 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: Good. 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was raised to Lutheran, Okay, so I got 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: a very very sanitized version of who Martin Luther was, 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: and that I read about that Martin Luther actually was, 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: and I was like, holy shit, yeah, different dude, Martin Luther. 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: And this is the part also that doesn't really get 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: talked about in the sort of lutherm tradition because Lutheran, 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: the Lutheran tradition is not a revolutionary tradition. Shall we 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: say that the thing that Lutheran did, we started Protestant 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: dism by accident, was accidentally kicked off a genuine, full 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: scale social revolution in Europe with his attacks on the 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: Catholic Church. He was not trying to do this, yeah, 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: but he very quickly has has in fact accidentally done this, 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: and through the sort of breach that he'd opened, and 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: like the ironclad walls of Catholic monarchical rule, came the 38 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: German Peasants Wars. And my favorite dude in this entire 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: period of time, uh, Flora Gear. 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: But the thing I familiar with flor good name. 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: Oh this guy rules. This guy fucking rips. Okay, there 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: is a Knight who. 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: There's a lot of debate about this, but the sources. 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: That I've read a long time ago, when I was 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: reading about this guy says that he is the only 46 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: like they are the only like knights, like mounted knights 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: in like the entire history of Europe to defect and 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: join a peasant revolution. 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: Oh, they're these guys, they're like the yeah Night so something. 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Black Company. Yeah yeah, he rules, Yeah, it slaps. 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: So the drim peasant wars kickoff, and he he he 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: joins the peasant revolution with this sword that is supposedly 53 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: inscribed with the words neither cross nor crown. 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: Unbelievably based. 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: He fucking protost Yeah. Yeah, And and his thing came 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: in the Black Company, which is part like, it's part knights, 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: part like peasants just basically run around the regia and 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: kill the shit out of nobles and priests and like 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: spread the spread, spread the glorious fire of the peasant revolution. 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: What hero. Yeah, it's awesome. I've found a picture of 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: him strong chin as well. Yeah, I will say powerful 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: Joe line. 63 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean he has an interesting sort of 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: conflicting legacy. So he gets killed eventually because the giant 65 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: presant revolution is eventually destroyed, and we'll talk about Martin 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Luther's role in that in a second, But he has 67 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: this interesting legacy where he's taken up as a national 68 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: hero by like every kind of non establishment faction of 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: German politics. So he's like like there's an SS division 70 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: named after him. He's also like one of the heroes 71 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: of East Germany. Yeah, I can see it this Yeah, 72 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: and like this is one of these things were like 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: and like in twenty and thirties Germany you will have 74 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: communist social Democrats and the Nazis all singing like the 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: same songs about this guy. 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: You know, he's one of the. 78 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: Few sort of redeemable figures in German history. Yeah, I 79 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: think he fucking rips. 80 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: And this is what happens with national myth making, right, 82 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: you just take sing and make it class. It's like 83 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: you mold it to whatever you want it to be, 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: whatever you want you a national story to be. Yeah. 85 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like like this happens with Makno and Ukraine. 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: This happiest with what we talked was on Margaret Show 87 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: and I did. We did a bunch of episodes about 88 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: anarchism in Korea, and like they do this with a 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: bunch of Korean anarchists too. They become like national like 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: state heroes, and it's like, well, okay, this guy would 91 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: have absolutely shot you. Like this is one of these 92 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: things where it's like if you if, if you, if 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: you were to show if you were to show this 94 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: guy the SS, he'd be like, what the fuck? 95 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: Like me get my sword out again. 96 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's time, It's time to start the killing again. 97 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And very specifically, Geary is like he'd actually had 98 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: known Martin Luther back before he like joined the peasants, 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: and like specifically the fact that they're they're like these 100 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: peasants are like sacking castles and killing priests and like 101 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: the ruling class very specifically makes is like, like the 102 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: fact that the ruling class could conceivably be in danger 103 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: is it that convinces Martin Luther to become I think 104 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: I've been this argument on the show before, but I 105 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: think he is, at very worst, like the second greatest 106 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: kind of revolutionary in like the last four or five 107 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: hundred years, because I hold that the greatest kind of 108 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: revolutionary is the one who starts the revolution and then realizes, 109 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: holy shit, I can't control this and I don't like 110 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: where it's going, and then immediately turns kind of revolutionary 111 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: to kill everyone who was involved. No, not like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 112 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: So the product of this is that Martin Luther writes 113 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: this book kind of long pamphlet called against the murderous 114 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: beving hordes the Peasants and aligns himself with the princes. Yeah, 115 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: and you know, so then this is the start of 116 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: what it's eventually a century. 117 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: You know, there's a couple of centuries of religious war 118 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 4: in here. We're gonna get to you. 119 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: But this is in a lot of ways, I think 120 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: the beginning of the reproach ma between Catholicism and Protestantism, 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: because yeah, because class is more yeah yeah, and that 122 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: that actually, weirdly is an extremely important part of the 123 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: story of Guy fox Day. Yes, yeah, yeah. And you know, 124 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: the other thing that Luther's up to in this period 125 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: is trying to outflank the Catholics on anti Semitism, which 126 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: is pretty hard because like so this is the early 127 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: this is the early like fifteen hundreds, right, Yeah, we 128 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: are like forty years out from two Spanish monarchs like 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: expelling the Jews from Spain. 130 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so like sixteenth century anti Semitism is like peak. 131 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's hard to exactly like tear 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: list the like periods of anti Semitism, but like right, 133 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: like the Holocaust. Holocaust is obviously number one. And then 134 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: like this period like the Kolelmannitsky pull Grom and like 135 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: some of the stuff in late nineteen like late eighteen 136 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: hundreds Russia or like yeah, some like the worst periods 137 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: in human history for this. 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is pretty horrific shit. 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: And and Luther decides that he's going to like outflank 140 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: the Catholics and anti Semitism, and so he writes this 141 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: book called on the Jews and their Lies, which is like, yeah, 142 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: the first version of this that I wrote had a 143 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: joke here about how it could have been written by Hitler. 144 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: But then I then I like did a little bit 145 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: of reading about it and was like, holy shit that 146 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: this specific thing was used by like Nazi Like, oh, 147 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure Lutheran pastors specifically justifiedly that the Holocaust in 148 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: like thirty eight. So that's great. Yeah, how cool. Yeah, 149 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: So this is this is you know, this is the 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: sort of formation of like what you could call like 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: the Protestant counter revolution against the sort of social revolutionary 152 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: forces they kicked off right. Well, the antie sumptus like 153 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: hardline stuff is a bit later, but there's there's one 154 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: more kind of big uprising which is very funny, which 155 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: is that the Anabaptist in Munster who formed this like 156 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: oh yeah, pretty base democratic commune that eventually kind of 157 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: turns into like a sex cult thing, but like in 158 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: a way that's more like people realize they could be 159 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: poly than it is like normal sex cult people. 160 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: So it's people like like emerging from an extremely constrained 161 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: like socialized sexuality. 162 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, And you know, so this is like 163 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: this is you know, those are the two sort of 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: periods of like high of like the highest levels of 165 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 2: class conflict that are the result of the prosc information. 166 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: And this kind of ends with Munster when they all 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: get killed by the monarchies. And this is something about 168 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: the European peasantry. I don't know, Maybe one day I'll 169 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: do a project and why the European passantry was so 170 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: much worse at doing were volts in the Chinese peasantry 171 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: because the Chinese pasantry knocks off dynasties all the time. 172 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: Like the Chinese central government is like one hundred thousand 173 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: times more formidable as a force than like any of 174 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: these dipshit like Holy Roman Empire principalities. But the Chinese 175 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: peasantry did it anyway that I don't know. The German 176 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 2: peasantry fought hard, it doesn't go great for them. 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the entirety of the European society is 178 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: structured along like the state monopoly on violence. How oh yeah, 179 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: Like feudalism is like the scene kwandaonn of feudalism is 180 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: having the ability to kill all your peasants. 181 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's a it's a it's a system. 182 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: And I think this is something that like, you know, 183 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: this is there's reflection of this you see in sort 184 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: of like fantasy a lot, right, where like people will 185 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: write monarchies and then you'll get like or like he's 186 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: using like the science station right where like people people 187 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: understand what's bad about a democracy because you've all lived 188 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: in one and you know all the ways. 189 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 4: That it sucks. 190 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: But because most of us like haven't lived under an 191 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: actual monarchy. Well okay, even then even then ye compared 192 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: to this ship. 193 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, like people don't understand how just hideous this shit is. 194 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: And this is gonna play a role. 195 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: I mean this this is like again, this is like 196 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: the thing that starts the French Revolution, where the first time. 197 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: That not the first time, but like when people actually 198 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: like start beating the monarchists. Seriously, people to this tendency 199 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: to remember like the violence of French Revolution. It's like, yeah, 200 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: there was a lot of shit that was very bad. 201 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: But also like these people, these people that they are fighting, 202 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: these are these are people who for hundreds and hundreds 203 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: and hundreds of years, anytime anyone has like even dared 204 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: to talk back to them, has just fucking murdered them, 205 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: their families and everyone around them. 206 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, like as horribly as possible. 207 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, and like as as the 208 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: process of their them holding on to their fucking deranged 209 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: hereditary power system. And the consequence of this is that once, 210 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: once these revolutions are put down, sort of Processtism versus Catholicism. 211 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: Like it's not fully this because it's like there are 212 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: sort of popular e I mean not in the good sense, 213 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: but there are sort of like more mass like Catholicism 214 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: versus proetism stuff, but like a lot of it politically 215 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 2: becomes the domain of like princes who are either sort 216 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: of running wars that are like nominally religious based, although 217 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: like go look on what side France enters on the 218 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 2: Thirty Years War in about twenty years when when France 219 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: enters out the side of a Protestants to figure out exactly 220 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: how much right. But like, you know, but this kind 221 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 2: of conflict becomes this this kind of more the actual 222 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: politics becomes centralized in the ruling class. The metaphor that 223 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: popped in mind to me is one that will make 224 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: sense to about four people. But it's kind of like 225 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: the way that all politics became centralized in the Bath 226 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: Party and Serrie over the course of like the sixties 227 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: and seventies, like all where like you have this mass politics, 228 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: but the only politics that matters is the military and 229 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: the military factions, the military fighting it out. Like that's 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: kind of what's happening here, is that like all of 231 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: these princes are sort of centralizing religious power. But this 232 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: means that like religious wars quote unquote, in conflict becomes 233 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: the domain of like these coups and counter coups by 234 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: like princes, and they're like noble factions and shit. Yeah, 235 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: and that's where we find ourselves in the year sixteen 236 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: oh four, at the beginning of the Gunpowder Treason. And 237 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: but before before we get that, do you know, what 238 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: else supports the unpowdered treason seventeenth century? 239 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: Ye, yeah, definitely Chumper casino. 240 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, they really major funders. 241 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay if you lose your money. I jumped 242 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: at casino guys because they're trying to blow up the 243 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: houses of Parliament. 244 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: We are back. We are back to the past. We're 245 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: back to I guess the future of where we were 246 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: several seconds before that. So England famously became Protestant when 247 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: King Henry the Eighth wanted a new wife and the 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: Pope wouldn't let him get a new wife. 249 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, anohing new wife, right, Like was it like no, 250 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: this this was new ife? Wait, that's a rhyme for 251 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: this divorce divorced, beheaded, survived, had survived. Yeah yeah, I 252 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: think yeah, it was the first divorced because after that 253 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: he just went he went ham on the wives. 254 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: And so through this incredibly silly chain of events, they 255 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: leave the Catholic Church and become Protestants through Anglicanism, which. 256 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: Is Catholicism light. 257 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I think it's more Catholicism light because 258 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: like Lutheranism also gets described to Becautholicism light. Yeah, but 259 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: I can emphatically state there is a major difference because 260 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: I came, I was raised Lutheran, and I fucking have 261 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: no guilt whatsoever, No guilt, zero, I feel bad about nothing. 262 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: It's no shame. Catholicism to England is more or less 263 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: Catholicism minus Pope. 264 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And obviously they differ over time because yeah, because 266 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: it's just the drift of history, they evolved differently. 267 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But then but this this starts like actual 268 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: a series of kind of horrendous religious conflicts inside of 269 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: the UK where just like a bunch of random people 270 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: get killed because once princes become the people controlling religions, 271 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: everything gets unbelievably stupid really quickly. 272 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a vehicle for like elite fucking ambition, 273 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: yeah right, that they can pick a faction and use 274 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: that to get a little bit higher up the ladder. 275 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: So there's like there's a series of like cups encounter 276 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: coups to attempt to like reinstall Catholic rule or get 277 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: rid of and like it's all really boring, Like it's 278 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 4: it's so boring I cannot have. 279 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: Like yeah, let me tell you, may I did that 280 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: in history in school for years somehow I became that 281 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: to get a PhD in history. But that shit was dull. 282 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: It's it's hideously boring, like which is insane because like 283 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: like bloody Mary is involved in this and it's still boring. 284 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a lot of beheadings. The princes in 285 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: the Tower famously did a little dead children, a lot 286 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: of a lot of murder. 287 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but boring murder, which is staggering. How do you 288 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: make murder boring? 289 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: Easy? 290 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: Ah, you do this shit. 291 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Shakespeare wrote some good place about this shit. And 292 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: for those of you who are interested, yeah. 293 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: Go go consult that. 294 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 295 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. 296 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: So by sixteen oh four, a group of guys that 297 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: would eventually extend to like thirteen Catholic guys start to 298 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: form a a frankly not very good plan to do 299 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: a coup and appoint the child king to restore Catholic 300 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: rule to England, the child queen. 301 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they love a child king. 302 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: So this plan has Okay, I'm separating it out into 303 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: three stages. I don't know whether it's fair to, but 304 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing it. So Part one, use a bunch of 305 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: gunpowder to blow up the English Parliament. Okay, now this 306 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: is something that's very important to understand what's happening here. 307 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: This is not a parliament in the sense that we 308 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: understand it today. Like, this is not like a representative 309 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: body like the parliament is. Basically it's an assembly assembly 310 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: of nobles. Right, It's the instrument of power of the 311 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: English aristocracy, Yeah, which is one of the greatest forces 312 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: for human evil in the entirety of human like the 313 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: three hundred thousand year history of humanity. 314 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have it. Britain doesn't have a universal 315 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: franchise until after eighteen thirty two, so. 316 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Like yeah, and this is this is this is sixteen 317 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: oh five, yeah, right, like and throughout that whole period 318 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: that the the powers for the aristocracy like ways, but 319 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: this is their unbelievably powerful. 320 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: They don't have an universal manhood suffrage even until later 321 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: eighteen forty eight. Before that, every constituency it has its 322 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 3: own franchise rules, which makes Parliament even fucking weirder. 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: Yah. 324 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: You have some that like proto democratic, and you have 325 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: some where it's just a guy yep, and he just 326 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: shows up to Parliament and represents himself. Yeah, it's great. 327 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know this part of the plan the 328 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: blowing up the parliament plan great, we love it. We 329 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: support destroying the English aristocracy. Yeah, always great. 330 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: Yet the king, why not it's going to was it 331 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: going to be at the state opening of Parliament? 332 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: I think it was it was going to be at 333 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: some session of parliament with the King was going to 334 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: be there. 335 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: That was part of parliament. So fun fact, Britain still 336 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: does this incredibly antiquated. 337 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: Like barbaric country. 338 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where the we need China to conquer 339 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: the UK and established civilization there, like they like Britain. 340 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: Britain couldn't even do a bourgeois revolution. Do you know 341 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: how easy it is to do a bourgeois revolution. 342 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: Like Son, Yet Send pulled it on because Britain. 343 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: Has the most established fucking aristocracy in the world. So, 344 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: oh my god. The body stay opening in Parliament, which 345 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: still happens to this day, right incredibly like antiquated procedure. 346 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 3: They search the sellers of Parliament before and no one 347 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 3: else is trying to blow them up, like this is 348 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: now part of the part of the and like there's 349 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: a whole that's like an exchange of hostages, like like 350 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: there are all these things that are built in from 351 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: bizarre episodes in British histories. They send someone from Parliament 352 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: to Buckingham Palace to be like a hostage for the. 353 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: Duration. 354 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 5: It's an incredible This is the stupidest system and the 355 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: like it the British The British system, like I think, 356 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: functionally it is a more advanced democratic system than the 357 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 5: American system, but in terms of the way that it's 358 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 5: like seizure works. 359 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: It is like like the American Constitution, which is like 360 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: one of the most progressive constitutions, like a constitution that 361 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: failed to enshrine one person, one vote. Yeah right, Like 362 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: that constitution looks like fucking star Trek compared to like 363 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: watching the stupid ass king the hauling around a scepter. 364 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, some dude bangs three times and then yeah yeah, 365 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: it just gets in there and reads his speech. 366 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. So so part two of the gunpowder plot is 367 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: to kill the king, who's going to be there too. 368 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 2: This is also great. We like killing the king, and 369 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: the cool Zone media is a pro killing the king 370 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: register establishment. 371 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: Yes, regicide rules, we love it. 372 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: It's great. Part three is to install a Catholic theocracy 373 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: or a place the Protestant one, and we simply do 374 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: not love this. 375 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 3: The ship sucks. That's why we diverge sadly. Yeah, yeah, 376 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: this vote's very bad. Via Vendetta may have misled you 377 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: about the intentions of Guy Forks. 378 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and we'll get to Viva Vendetta because that's I 379 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: think that's an important part of the closing of this story. 380 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: So the plan falls apart. The plotters get betrayed. 381 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: Guy Fox, who's the guy who's supposed to light the gunpowder, 382 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: gets caught and like tortured, which is really funny because 383 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: you'll read accounts. 384 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 4: I'm going to read a bit from an account from. 385 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: Somewhat dubiously named English Heritage dot org that is like 386 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: they're just quite pretty good on this. 387 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, they like they own lots of like big old 388 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: houses and stuff. Like if you want to go and 389 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: see like a manor house, you're pretty going to give 390 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: them some money to go in. Like it's it's not 391 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: like as bad as something named English Heritage could have been. 392 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 3: Guess it could be a lot more racist in an 393 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: open and explicit way. 394 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, now, but like they to think about this, right, 395 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: is like they don't actually disribe what happened to him 396 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: during his interrogation as torture even though they tortured the 397 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: shit out of this guy. Oh yeah, like the king 398 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: was there, well, they tortured the shit out of this guy. 399 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, very unpleasant, I imagine. 400 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. 401 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: And so eventually, like all the plotters are like either 402 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 2: captured or killed. And I'm gonna read this from that 403 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: that English Heritage article quote. Each was found guilty and 404 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: sentenced to a trader's death by the grizzly ordeal of hanging, drawing, 405 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: and quartering. Oh yeah, the men were hanged. It's so bad. 406 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: I love this shit. When I was in school, you 407 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: don't understand how great this is for like eight year 408 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: old boys. 409 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jesus fucking Christ. So they were hanged, cut 410 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: down while still alive, castrated, dismembered, and beheaded, and then 411 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: their bodies were cut into quarters and displayed for all 412 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: to see and for birds to feast upon. Ye. According 413 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: to all accounts, all face their fates bravely. So these 414 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: like and it is something that like is genuinely important 415 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: to understand because we're going to get to the French 416 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Revolution part of the story very soon. These people are 417 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: fucking dranged. They're like they're psychopaths, like they just they 418 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: do this as public entertainments. Yeah. Yeah, like they hang 419 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: people and then cut them down and castrate them and 420 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: then dismember and behead them while they're alive, Like they 421 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: do this like for fun. 422 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Isn't this the opening scene of uh just spinding 423 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: punished by Fuco? Doesn't he describe it? 424 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 425 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 426 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you know, like this is this is 427 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: the thing you have to remember about the French Revolution 428 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: is that like these are the people who rule Europe 429 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: for like seven hundred years, oh yeah, or like these 430 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: motherfuckers and so you know, like they they stopped the 431 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: gunpowder trees and no one gets blown up, and November 432 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: fifth like immediately gets declared a holiday, but it's not 433 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: really the same holiday as as we have today. I'm 434 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: gonna read again from that article quote. Since sixteen seventy 435 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: three and up until the nineteenth century, some crowds have 436 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: paraded an effigy of the pope through this tree sprung 437 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: up above a bonfire. This symbolized continuing prejudice, prejudice towards Catholics, 438 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: which again, like you motherfuckers weren't Catholics until like fucking 439 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: seven seconds ago. Like what is wrong with you people 440 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 2: like I like you, you were all Catholics until your 441 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: king decided to make a fake pope so he could 442 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: get divorced. 443 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: Like what the fuck? Yeah? 444 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, the antim goes pretty hard, like for. 445 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: A country where like you, like you were all literally 446 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: Catholics until the king decided you weren't. 447 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: What is it? 448 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hate Christian so much. Shit sucks 449 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: so badly. 450 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: Talking of parades, have you have you read about the 451 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: Lewis bonfire in Sussex? 452 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: No? 453 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: Okay, they like they go super hard for BM finite. 454 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: They also like I think it was the same day 455 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: or something that some Protestants will burned at the steak there. Great, 456 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: they have this big parade where they like they drag, 457 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: like I think it's burning barrels of like pitch or tar. 458 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: Possibly those are the same thing they have. Like I'm 459 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 3: going to invite you to google Lewis Lewis Bonfire and 460 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 3: just just tell me what the first image you see is. 461 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 5: Oh Jesus Christ, No, yeah that's correct. 462 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what you see is jump scared. 463 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: So they don't just burn guy forks in they have 464 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: these big sort of every every year they'll have like 465 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: the person of the year they're going to burn so 466 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: like effigies that they've burned include David Cameron, don't be 467 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: Clarkson except blatter like some of it got surprisingly hard, 468 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 3: Like I think at some point like there's like a 469 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: formal like they've been investigated by the police. Fake. Nearly 470 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: all of them are against politicians, so you know, we 471 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: probably should have mentioned that they also burned a Romani caravan, 472 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: which is pretty fucking terrible. 473 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, speak speaking speaking of burning David Cameron, 474 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: do you know who else burns David Cameron? 475 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: Is it the goods and services that support this podcast? 476 00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 477 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 6: Great, yeah, yeah, we're now returning. 478 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: Let's go back to that thing I was reading about 479 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: what happened to them them paying the Pope? Yeah, sontheless? 480 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: This symbolized continuing prejudice against Catholics. However, during the French Revolution, 481 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: English and Irish Catholics fought for Britain, which found itself 482 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: on the same side of the Pope, and perhaps because 483 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: of this, in around eighteen hundred, Guy Fox seems to 484 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: have finally entered the picture as the boogeyman of Bonfire Night, 485 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: rather than the Pope. Fox was barely mentioned in fifth 486 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: November sermons in the eighteenth century, and his name doesn't 487 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: feature in the titles of books attracted four eighteen hundred. 488 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: But after that date his name began to appear, and 489 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 2: Fox seems to have quickly become a central character in 490 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: English popular culture, often portrayed as a dashing, doomed anti hero. Yeah, 491 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: and this is a reminder that Protestant isn't versus Catholic. 492 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: Catholicism is a fucking joke. The ruling class has always 493 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: had one religion counter revolution, and when their asses are 494 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: on the line, Protestant terrorists and Catholic Supreme Court justices 495 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: can work together just find to make sure you can't 496 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: get a fucking abortion. 497 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: Yep. 498 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: So you know what we have here. And this is 499 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: an interesting thing in the sense that like, like Guy 500 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: Fox becoming the guy that Guy Fox Day is about, 501 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 2: and not like the pope is literally an icon of 502 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: sort of like of kind of revolution. 503 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. 504 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 4: Like specifically against a French revolution. 505 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because it's like this eventually seems to 506 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: kind of have backfired because Guy Fox kind of like 507 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: becomes the central figure. Right but then, and this is 508 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: something that like This article also mentions that I want 509 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: to go into more. Everything sort of changes again about 510 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 2: this when the movie Viva Vendetta gets made. 511 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very strange. 512 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's actually so before we do day, can 513 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: you talk a little bit more about like what people 514 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: do during Guy Fox Day because it's fun. 515 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Yeah, So it is fun. 516 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 6: It is. 517 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: It's a nice like a little as burnings in effigy go, 518 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 3: you know, a fun one. At least. What we used 519 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: to do I grew up in a more rural area 520 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: is we'd all everyone if you had like wood, or 521 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: you chop down a tree, you know, on your land, 522 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: or you had old furniture, you'd all bring it to 523 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 3: one place, right, big field, you pilot and you're with 524 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: it's fucking high. It's like a couple of stories high 525 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: by the time down, and then you go down. On 526 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: the fifth of November, everyone gets fireworks. This is where 527 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: I'll tell my fireworks story very amusingly. When I was younger, 528 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: everyone in my village club together to buy one of 529 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 3: those fireworks displays, you know, where it's like a box 530 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 3: and you light one fuse and they all go off. Yeah. 531 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: Oh shit, So we've set that up my dad and 532 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: his mate and we're in the van there. We've lit 533 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: it and then we've we're sort of standing there like 534 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: ready to go ooh ah. Unfortunately we've placed it upside down, 535 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: fucking bouncing off the ground and then it flips on 536 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 3: the side just behind the van and smashing the van. 537 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, what do you do is you get fireworks, 538 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: You shoot them at your friends, you shoot them in 539 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: the air. You have a massive bonfire, like and it's 540 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 3: this is November Britain, right, so you know days are 541 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 3: short nights so long, everything's wet, so you're using a 542 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: lot of petrol to start the bonfire, like, you know, 543 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: irresponsible amountable. You just have a huge fire. And then 544 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 3: if you have old clothes at least, I'm sure it's 545 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 3: different if you grow up in like a more urban setting. 546 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: What we would do is we get old clothes, tie 547 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: the bottom of the trousers together, tie the wrists together, 548 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: and then you stuffle that with straw bedding that you have, right, 549 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 3: and then you put a head on it pets like 550 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: a bag, like a plastic bag or flower bag. You 551 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 3: draw a little face on it and that's your guy. 552 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: You can go around to people's houses and ask for 553 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: a penny for the guy. That's that had sort of 554 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 3: become quite old fashioned by the time I was a child. 555 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: But you make these guys and then you take them 556 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: down there and then you you put them on top 557 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: of the bonfire before you light it, and everyone watches 558 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: as he catches on fire and burns to death. And 559 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: you have toffee apples at the other thing, apples and 560 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 3: dipped in toffee. 561 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to like it. 562 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: And you have sparklers, you know, which is you know, 563 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 3: a little sparker on a stick. Yeah, it was fun. 564 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: It's got something for every age. A little kid, you 565 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: have a sparker, and then once you get to you know, 566 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: like ten twelve, you can shoot fireworks at your friends 567 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: and like really it's something for everyone, and I guess 568 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: unless you're Catholic. Yeah. 569 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 2: But that's the thing though, that the Cathars hasn't been Protestantism. 570 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: It's very secularized. 571 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they've been united, they've been united in the 572 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: single Greek British religion of kind of revolution. 573 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 4: So now everyone can celebrate and fox stay together. 574 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. And it's supposed to like reinforce the 575 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: state and be like, if you fuck with the state, 576 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: we will burn you, which Viva Vendetta kind of I 577 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: guess messes with a little bit. 578 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, and this I think is actually a really 579 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: interesting process because I think Guy Fox now is most 580 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: known for the Guy Fox mask, which was one of 581 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: the symbol and the symbol of anonymous and like one 582 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: of the. 583 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: Symbols of Yeah, but it wasn't before that. 584 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 585 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 586 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: And parts of how this happens is so it is 587 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: a character named Guy Fox in Alan Moore's view for 588 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: Vendetta and VI for Vendetta is not about a Catholic 589 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: plot to establish the Catholic rule. 590 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 4: In in Britain. 591 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is about like effectively the government of the 592 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: UK is going to have in five years when they 593 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: just like completely descend into fascism. Yeah. 594 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: I would know that far away now, to be honest. 595 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 596 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's about that government getting overthrown by an 597 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: anarchist revolution. 598 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 599 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: And it's like this because like you know, Alan Moore 600 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: is a leftist. It's made by the Wachowskis of like 601 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: of Matri's fame, who are also trans leftists. We're gonna 602 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: close on them actually, but you know, sort of what 603 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: happens to you, right, is like this mask becomes a 604 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: symbol of like kind of like really altogether detached from 605 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: the original figure of Guy Fox and like to the 606 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: form of this movie, Like this becomes the symbol of 607 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: like the twenty eleven like occupy cycle revolutions everywhere, and 608 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: like like one of my most sort of like harrowing 609 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: memories like coming up in that movement was of this 610 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen, everything's covering things. By twenty fourteen, everything's 611 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: going to shit, right, Like the Serians of War is 612 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: kicked off. 613 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: They were Bob massacrering. 614 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: Egypt has like slaughtered a bunch of protesters, and Egypt's 615 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: like just under full military rule. And there's a like 616 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: there are like Palestinian kids like wearing Guy Foss masks, 617 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: and there's like this image that haunts me. There's video 618 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: and an image of it of this kid. Is like 619 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: this kid's like seventeen, maybe like sixteen seventeen, like wearing 620 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: this mask and he walks around a cord and this 621 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: really sniper just fucking shoots him the head. And there's 622 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: this picture of him with like this just like mask 623 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: with a hole in it next to his face, and 624 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: he's just like lying there on the floor, and it's 625 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: like one of the things that is like the reason 626 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: why the way I am now is because of that shit. Yeah, 627 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: and you know, in some sense like he's become it 628 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: weirdly and enduring danger to the state in way that 629 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: he would be extremely pissed about, which, yeah, very funny 630 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: to me. 631 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it started as a graphic novel, right, it was 632 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: a graphic novel before. 633 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was an alanrograp novel. 634 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 635 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to close on on the Wachowskis, 636 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: and specifically I wanted to shout out so again like 637 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: the watch House. He's made the movie Viva Vedeta, which 638 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: is the thing that like popularized it and is in 639 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: a lot of sense responsible for like the aesthetic of 640 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: the twenty eleven revolutions. And she's founded a new project 641 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: called Anarchist United. I'm going to quote from an interview 642 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: with her quote. It will be a studio wholly owned 643 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: by a foundation. It's owned by this five O one 644 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: C three. The five of one C three provides grants 645 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: for artists and young filmmakers with marginalized points of view. 646 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: Hopefully those people will create stuff, bring it over to 647 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: the studio. The studio can make it and then fund 648 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: the foundation. So you create this evergreen operation that can 649 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: hopefully exist outside of the studio system if necessary. And 650 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: so they're making a bunch of trans shit, like they're 651 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: adapting Gretchen Felken Martin's Manhunt, which is like the transfer 652 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: mass like Book of the Last Like like it's a 653 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: book about trans misogogy and it's getting We're getting a 654 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: fucking adapted. So yeah, it's really cool. And yeah, like 655 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: I think, I think, I don't know that. That's the 656 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: thing I want to close on is like a note 657 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: of hope of like even the most deranged kind of 658 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: revolutionaries actions against the state and sometimes ricochet around four 659 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: hundred years later into like revolutionary movement. 660 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: Bounce back into transferm films. And it's like I often 661 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: think about Hunger Games, like, yeah, the Hunger Game symbol. 662 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: I would love to into the lady who wrote Hunger Games. 663 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: I think she's quite like doesn't like the media attention 664 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: so much from what I've heard. Yeah, but like that 665 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: became the symbol of the like around the Milky Alliance 666 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: right in Hong Kong, mean mar obviously even in Thailand 667 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: they use, Yeah, and think it's fascinating how these things 668 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: have these cultural and like, yeah, they sort of bounce around, 669 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: becomes athing, compete different from what they were. 670 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 671 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, and and you know it's this weird thing too, 672 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: because like the Hunger Games was born of Susan Collins, 673 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: like flipping channels between coverage of like the like watching 674 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: the bombing in the Iraq War and reality TV. Yeah, 675 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: I remember reading that and you see and you watch 676 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: like this rebound of this, like like the intense reaction 677 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: of this cultural moment to round two thousand and three, 678 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, like like what of the peaks 679 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: of American like kind of revolution rebounds route. It's suddenly 680 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: a bunch of like a bunch of a bunch of 681 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: revolutionaries of VMBAR are doing the like fucking two Biggers thing. 682 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, doing the Cup Scouts. 683 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you know, this is one of these 684 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: things where like you know, who knows where where your 685 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: story one day is going to end up in rebound two. 686 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, if if if we survived this, we are 687 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: promised that this year was the beginning of the golden 688 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: age of leftist transcenema. So let's let's fucking get their war. 689 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, if you're in England, enjoy burning it tonight. 690 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 691 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: If in America, who knows, maybe. 692 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: Soy birding shit tonight. 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