Speaker 1: Yeah he can.
Speaker 2: Gootway just limped off the field for the Bears. This
Speaker 2: one is intercepted by Chicago and Kyler Gordon. Justin Jones
Speaker 2: was bobbling it and Gordon came away where the Eric
Speaker 2: has been really good.
Speaker 3: But they finally let a team hang around long enough.
Speaker 3: They're gonna put a drive together and put themselves back
Speaker 3: in the game.
Speaker 2: Gordon went back to the sideline, briskers over their two
Speaker 2: end zone fuckins and touchdown. They're gonna let it tick
Speaker 2: down thirty yard try in essence to win it for Cairo.
Speaker 2: Santos lay clock had four good snap, good hold, good kick.
Speaker 2: Bears are back on top with ten seconds to go.
Speaker 1: The Bear state on top in a twelve to ten
Speaker 1: win over the Vikings in a pretty hideous Monday night
Speaker 1: football game that provided just enough entertainment value in the
Speaker 1: back end to save us all from truly having an
Speaker 1: agonizing Monday. And it is the Vikings, the team of
Speaker 1: around the NFL. Now looking within, we would imagine after
Speaker 1: losing an unlosable game to a Chicago team that was
Speaker 1: doing everything they could to keep Minnesota in playoff position,
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. Dan Hansis with Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: and Mark Sessler. Yes, Joshua Dobbs, the patron saint of
Speaker 1: atn throws. Four interceptions in this game and even two
Speaker 1: gnarly Justin Fields fumbles in the fourth quarter weren't enough
Speaker 1: to get Minnesota out of this game. Greggie, there's all
Speaker 1: sorts of goldthorns to be handed out here, but let's
Speaker 1: start with the Bears, who you know, get a win
Speaker 1: when they need one. Matty eve reflues finally as a
Speaker 1: division win, and Justin Fields. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: take out of the Field's performance.
Speaker 4: I want to start with the goat Horns.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm too caught up in my vikings wish
Speaker 5: fulfillment that they would come through with for us as
Speaker 5: a team of atl And.
Speaker 4: I'm not backing off.
Speaker 5: We knew it was gonna be bumpy if I even
Speaker 5: said when we picked him. If we're picking the better
Speaker 5: team like Houston Texans, they're better at football, we got
Speaker 5: to be in for the ride. But the thing that
Speaker 5: drives me crazy is on this night with four interceptions
Speaker 5: from josh Dobbs. To me, what stands out is the
Speaker 5: coaching losing its nerve in the final three minutes after
Speaker 5: Justin Fields fumbles that ball. As crazy as this night
Speaker 5: was going to be, I thought we were going to
Speaker 5: be celebrating that. Wow, it's the night that Josh stobbs
Speaker 5: through four interceptions and they won the game anyways. But
Speaker 5: then the play calls after that on both sides of
Speaker 5: the ball were crazy. Kevin O'Connor going run, run, screen pass,
Speaker 5: He gets one yard, he gets two yards, and he
Speaker 5: gets a screen to burn all the Bears timeouts when
Speaker 5: he was calling for fourth and seven plays at midfield earlier,
Speaker 5: which I didn't mind. He was trying to be aggressive,
Speaker 5: but to get so conservative in that moment and you're
Speaker 5: so far away you can't even kick a field goal
Speaker 5: there because the plays didn't go well to punt it
Speaker 5: out of bounds. And then for Brian Flores, even more
Speaker 5: surprising to me, Mark the blitz master and had been
Speaker 5: working all night, suddenly backs off in the final drive
Speaker 5: for Justin Fields. He's sitting back there patting the ball
Speaker 5: and he ends up firing a bullet to Dj Moore
Speaker 5: up the middle of the field. Only fields his second
Speaker 5: throw all night, Mark to the middle of the field,
Speaker 5: second throw over ten yards, he hits it and the
Speaker 5: Bears win, and I do feel like at the very end,
Speaker 5: the Vikings lost that Hutzba that we love him so much.
Speaker 6: For yep, thirty four yard completion to DJ Moore and
Speaker 6: the Bears somehow became you know, there were twenty nine
Speaker 6: teams that have failed to score a touchdown this season.
Speaker 6: They are the first team to do that and win.
Speaker 6: Is a weird game. That's kind of like what we're
Speaker 6: dealing with, and like, I kind of it's like, Dobbs
Speaker 6: is a wonderful story, one of the great stories of
Speaker 6: the season. Tonight doesn't change that. But he's a He's
Speaker 6: a deep backup if you really think about it, and like.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's pull back the reins now and call him
Speaker 1: a deep backup.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's just that, like we're asking him
Speaker 6: to lead the team of atl and I love him.
Speaker 6: I love his personality, I love his energy and his fire,
Speaker 6: but like we're seeing the flaws tonight and like it's
Speaker 6: it's gonna be it's a rough ride. It's gonna be
Speaker 6: a rough ride because I think what we were introduced
Speaker 6: to on Thanksgiving was a team in the Green Bay
Speaker 6: Packers that are like maybe we're we're awakening and now
Speaker 6: you've got this NFC North that's in flux. And I
Speaker 6: wonder if the Vikings are heading in a different direction
Speaker 6: where the Green Bay Packers a heading upwards not downward.
Speaker 5: They have a buy they're six and six. That there
Speaker 5: we can get into their long term stuff, but they
Speaker 5: have a buy in their six and six and they
Speaker 5: still have a lot of season. We're gonna there's gonna
Speaker 5: be upsodes its gonna be downs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't. We can't bail. We can't. This is
Speaker 1: the team we're not on the NFL. This is a
Speaker 1: teamate cecil. You know who's not the team of atl
Speaker 1: the Packers, they're not. It's the Vikings. And we need
Speaker 1: to pull together, not fall apart at this moment, but
Speaker 1: we can internally there could be tough love. And Brian
Speaker 1: Florida is as you're saying, GREGI, that is a man
Speaker 1: known for his aggressiveness on the football field. That is
Speaker 1: a man of valor, that is a man of bottomless integrity.
Speaker 1: Look what's going on in his life beyond just what
Speaker 1: he does on the sidelines. Look at justin fields on
Speaker 1: the previous two possessions, the men didn't want to win, well,
Speaker 1: he wanted to win, but he was incapable of it.
Speaker 7: He couldn't protect the ball. He was holding the ball
Speaker 7: all game like he does every week. All you had
Speaker 7: to do was send the heat, and there was a
Speaker 7: very good chance Justin Fields was either gonna throw it
Speaker 7: up for grabs, take a gnarly sack to kind of
Speaker 7: blow the game, or fumble on while being.
Speaker 1: Pressured and to let him off the hook like that.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe it, and Troy Aikman couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: And yet we can't put everything on floors because, like
Speaker 1: I said, the Goat horns instead of the Viking horns
Speaker 1: go everywhere. Dobbs obviously is the other big name here,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're right, like I don't think maybe
Speaker 1: he's not a true QB one. Maybe he's in this
Speaker 1: like purgatory where he's just a top rate backup or
Speaker 1: a lower level starter. So a game like this can
Speaker 1: happen to a player like that. But yes, if you're
Speaker 1: a Vikings fan, you're a little nervous about you know,
Speaker 1: is the pixie dust now gonna disappear? The good news
Speaker 1: is again, as we know, that's internally, that's stuff we
Speaker 1: talk about inside the house. Outside the house, we get
Speaker 1: at Vegas against the Raiders, you know, which is not
Speaker 1: a not a team as bad as they were when
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels was there, but this is no juggernaut. And
Speaker 1: then you get the Bengals on the road in Sincy,
Speaker 1: which I would say was deadly if Joe Burrow was
Speaker 1: still around, but he's not before the Lions. So this
Speaker 1: one hurts a lot, just like the Broncos game hurt
Speaker 1: last week. But it's not over yet. NFC's wide open.
Speaker 5: No, their defense, you know, played well for most of
Speaker 5: the night. Fields came out and I'm with you, I
Speaker 5: wasn't sure what to make of that game from fields
Speaker 5: other than the Bear should just run the ball more
Speaker 5: in short yarded situations. I mean, they they called a
Speaker 5: very crazy game too. They went for a fourth and
Speaker 5: ten early from around midfield. They hit it, and they
Speaker 5: also chose to kick field goals on a fourth and
Speaker 5: two and fourth and three, and look, points were at
Speaker 5: a premium and you can look at the final result
Speaker 5: and say that makes sense. But they weren't running the
Speaker 5: ball with fields until they really needed too late in
Speaker 5: the game, and then it worked, and his numbers were
Speaker 5: great to start. He was twelve for twelve for one
Speaker 5: hundred yards. They had a nice opening script, but everything
Speaker 5: was lining of scrimmage or close to it. Everything was
Speaker 5: to the side, and it was a response to those
Speaker 5: those blitzes. And it worked for a drive that resulted
Speaker 5: in no points, and then they got the three points,
Speaker 5: and then after that it just it wasn't working, and
Speaker 5: they didn't have a pivot and they didn't really use
Speaker 5: him as a runner. And I thought Josh Mittelis was brilliant,
Speaker 5: Like the Vikings defense played really well, but a lot
Speaker 5: of that and I know Twitter is all about fields
Speaker 5: and I like fields. I think he is an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's a guy you would pass up
Speaker 5: the number one pick for. But some of those plays
Speaker 5: were on him. I mean he misses Mooney when he's
Speaker 5: trying to scramble to make a play. He makes a
Speaker 5: bad decision on one hot read to Mooney, I mean
Speaker 5: to more where he throws the ball.
Speaker 4: So he was at.
Speaker 5: Fault on a lot of these. And then the fumbles
Speaker 5: late were brutal as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got seven fourth quarter turnovers this season. I
Speaker 6: just I don't I think it's okay to have a
Speaker 6: football game once in a while, even though this was
Speaker 6: like an island game from like Beaeselbob like where like
Speaker 6: we don't have to have four thousand takeaways. I'm just
Speaker 6: to be real, like I don't. I don't come away
Speaker 6: from this having like major like identity, like like associations
Speaker 6: with either team. It's like, I'm not, this didn't sell
Speaker 6: me on Justin Fields. It didn't not sell me on them.
Speaker 6: The Vikings are who they are, They've got They're gonna
Speaker 6: try to survive with Dobbs. I think Dobbs will serve,
Speaker 6: will also rebound next week and be fine. But it's
Speaker 6: like I don't I didn't need to come away with
Speaker 6: this with like a Russian novel to be honest. Is
Speaker 6: that okay? It's just like I just like it was
Speaker 6: a weird game. I think Troy Aikman like identified it
Speaker 6: as a weird game like four hundred to five hundred
Speaker 6: times tonight, and it is what it was, like, it's
Speaker 6: like cool, like it happened. It happened. If this were
Speaker 6: on a Sunday, it would be the eighth or ninth
Speaker 6: game we talked about.
Speaker 5: That was that was a four. There aren't many four
Speaker 5: interception games this year. That was kind of a meltdown
Speaker 5: by Dobbs. Anytime he was under pressure, he was just
Speaker 5: kind of throwing it up. There was one of the
Speaker 5: three four interceptions that you know, he put a lot
Speaker 5: of juice on it, but it was essentially a dropped
Speaker 5: by Addison. One of the interceptions was a great play
Speaker 5: by Jalen Johnson, you know, the first one. The other
Speaker 5: two were mind numbing and he could have had one
Speaker 5: or two more, which is why the four number doesn't
Speaker 5: even seem unfair, because at some point he just was losing,
Speaker 5: like when to give up on a play.
Speaker 6: Well, So Dan and Mark, though, are ignoring one of
Speaker 6: the darker aspects to this contest, the Locke brothers, who
Speaker 6: have been historically successful. Dan, not a good night for us,
Speaker 6: like I mean, in general, not a good lock season
Speaker 6: for us. We've nullified it. It doesn't exist in our book.
Speaker 4: But I want to say that's had Thanksgiving your oh
Speaker 4: and one.
Speaker 1: I want to see how far we could take this.
Speaker 1: How bad can we get every virtually every favorite one.
Speaker 1: All you have to do in this block competition is
Speaker 1: picked the right team that wins. There's no spread. You
Speaker 1: just got to pick the right team. The NFL is
Speaker 1: a very wonky place in twenty twenty three. But I
Speaker 1: say that, and then the odd old uh you know,
Speaker 1: Horsehoe up is Heinie Rosenthal over there every week drilling
Speaker 1: his picks, piping them every week. But there's really nothing
Speaker 1: to say. It's disgraceful. I mean, it's uh. I think
Speaker 1: we're both two games under. And at this point I've
Speaker 1: even I even thought about it, Like, because I'm out
Speaker 1: of the law competition and I'm not catching Greg, why
Speaker 1: don't I just go with Greg on every pick the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. Why don't I just and and
Speaker 1: at least try to save my uh my overall career record. No, obviously,
Speaker 1: I see obviously, you know, yeah, you see, you know
Speaker 1: me well, because obviously the instincts are wrong week after week.
Speaker 1: But you know, like so many other locks that have
Speaker 1: failed this year, everything checked out for me before the game.
Speaker 1: I felt great about this game, and I just didn't
Speaker 1: see the I didn't see Dobbs laying in this big
Speaker 1: an egg obviously, And and they can you know, they
Speaker 1: still have justin Jefferid at some point he's coming back.
Speaker 1: He's now, But out seven weeks.
Speaker 4: He has to come back after the buyer. He has
Speaker 4: to be on their rock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the expectation is they were trying to give
Speaker 5: him one more week for them.
Speaker 1: I don't want to totally put everything on Dobbs too,
Speaker 1: because I thought the offensive line had a bad game
Speaker 1: for the Vikings. I thought O'Connell you mentioned how conservative
Speaker 1: was when they had a chance to sault the game
Speaker 1: away in the fourth quarter and he ran it three
Speaker 1: times and then he punted. But you know a lot
Speaker 1: of early down runs were just the running game is
Speaker 1: going nowhere, and it's just in general. I just didn't
Speaker 1: like on both offense and defense, just not an aggressive
Speaker 1: game by the Vikings. They kind of just let the
Speaker 1: game play out and thought they could eventually steal it,
Speaker 1: and you know, they nearly did, but they didn't. And
Speaker 1: that is one and nine now Meddiebraflus against the NFC North.
Speaker 1: That was the longest active division losing streak in the
Speaker 1: NFL so and it was the Bears longest since the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy mergers. So you get that monkey off your back.
Speaker 1: I think is just trying to hang around and get
Speaker 1: another year in Chicago, and I think Fields. The only
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about Fields, and you're right, Mark, we
Speaker 1: don't need to give this game too much more because yes,
Speaker 1: it was played on an island, but also it deserves
Speaker 1: to be on a deserted island, is that Fields is
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a lot better in these last
Speaker 1: five weeks or so to have any chance to stay
Speaker 1: in Chicago, if he even wants to stay in Chicago.
Speaker 1: But if this is the type of up and down
Speaker 1: roller coaster efforts we're going to see the rest of
Speaker 1: the way really where there's no reason to think that
Speaker 1: won't be the case based on the larger sample size
Speaker 1: that he's given us. At this point, he's probably you know,
Speaker 1: playing his final games as a Bear, so he has
Speaker 1: to turn it on anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: Eberflus who was Ozero to nine. When I saw that statua,
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of that before this game. I thought, Oh,
Speaker 5: this mean this man can't continue to coach a team
Speaker 5: if he's oh to.
Speaker 4: Twelve against the division through the end of the year.
Speaker 5: So I tend to think he has a less than
Speaker 5: you know, fighters chance of returning next year. The only
Speaker 5: chance is to probably go four and two in their
Speaker 5: next six and this win is a nice way to
Speaker 5: even start that beforehand, like to start winning games and
Speaker 5: to kind of convince the ownership that it's somehow head
Speaker 5: in the right direction. I think Fields is in a
Speaker 5: similar spot where to me, if they're head, if the
Speaker 5: Panthers give them the number one or number two overall pick,
Speaker 5: Justin Fields has an uphill battle to say I'm more
Speaker 5: valuable than that guy because you can get a pick
Speaker 5: for Fields. I think he's shown enough that he's going
Speaker 5: to be an NFL quarterback. Worst case scenario, you're probably
Speaker 5: getting like a two and a three for Field something
Speaker 5: like that, and you might be able to do better,
Speaker 5: and you want him to do better, but are these
Speaker 5: the coaches to really lead him that way anyways. That's
Speaker 5: why it always gives a certain meaningless feel to a
Speaker 5: season when you feel like you're building this quarterback, but
Speaker 5: the coaches aren't probably going to be there anyways.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like the Bears are in this weird
Speaker 6: place where, like I'm with you, where I see a
Speaker 6: lot in Fields, but then like also I could see
Speaker 6: them easily looking beyond him for someone in the draft
Speaker 6: that they had that kind of a situation and It's
Speaker 6: like with Eberflus, like they have been better over the
Speaker 6: last If you look at the last month of the Bears,
Speaker 6: you can start to see it coming together a little bit,
Speaker 6: like like they've they've been a better team. But like
Speaker 6: Eberflus is almost so resistant to giving us any impression
Speaker 6: of anything special or original or unique about him. I
Speaker 6: don't know what, Like some coaches just have this thing
Speaker 6: where you're like, we could we could attach ourselves to
Speaker 6: them and like kind of fall for them in a
Speaker 6: certain way, whether they're good or bad. Like Eberflus, I
Speaker 6: just have no concept of what he's doing that's unique
Speaker 6: for the Bears, And I think that's a problem for
Speaker 6: a coach in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that mark. And he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys and this is his second year right
Speaker 1: where still every time I see him on the sideline
Speaker 1: for a split second, I'm like, oh, who's that.
Speaker 5: Oh well, he was the guy and he's just like,
Speaker 5: there's no way that guy's coach. Like ten years from now,
Speaker 5: we'll be like, what was that guy's now at this
Speaker 5: feels mean his defense is coming together a little bit.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 5: Edwards, Jalen Johnson, but it's like a lot of these
Speaker 5: guys aren't going to be there either.
Speaker 1: The one good thing mark about Monday Night Football, no
Speaker 1: matter how bad the game is, it's a chance to
Speaker 1: spend three and a half hours with Joe and Troy,
Speaker 1: two men who genuinely enjoy each other's company, one of
Speaker 1: them a Hall of Fame quarterback and I know, a
Speaker 1: long time Sessler favorite and as good as it gets
Speaker 1: in terms of color man in the booth and Buck
Speaker 1: who is like his father going to be joining him
Speaker 1: in the broadcasting Hall of Fame one day. And I
Speaker 1: just I think they are heads and shoulders above every
Speaker 1: other play by play team in the sport right now.
Speaker 1: And they're just throwing that easy cheese. And there was
Speaker 1: a moment in this game and I'm glad, and a
Speaker 1: shout out to Sean Kelly, one of our great people
Speaker 1: behind the scenes here who have the same thought as
Speaker 1: I did that after Jalen Johnson dropped, they would be picks.
Speaker 1: Which was the second week in a row the talented
Speaker 1: Bears cornerback had came very close to making a game
Speaker 1: changing play. Aikman mentioned you know that he was going
Speaker 1: to or Aikman was gonna mention he was going to
Speaker 1: catch heat for being critical, and then Buck kind of
Speaker 1: took us inside what it's like to be in this
Speaker 1: public opposition. I just thought it was fun. Let's listen in.
Speaker 3: I mentioned the one he didn't want to hear about it.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I mentioned the one that he dropped last week against
Speaker 3: Detroit that likely wins the game if he makes that play.
Speaker 3: Detroit scores on the very next play. That's a pick
Speaker 3: six again, So back to back weeks. He has an
Speaker 3: opportunity for a pick six, just unable to make the play.
Speaker 3: He can't hear you now anyway, No, but he's got family.
Speaker 3: He will just hear about it after and then be
Speaker 3: mad and probably post something online, and then you'll hear
Speaker 3: about it for the rest.
Speaker 2: Of the week, and then we'll all forget about it.
Speaker 2: It's three nothing bears on top as they go back
Speaker 2: on offense after a forty seven yard punt.
Speaker 1: I mean they're just throwing high with a big, old
Speaker 1: breaking ball and a devastating change up right now.
Speaker 6: I would say, as someone who's you know, from time
Speaker 6: to time put things online that I did not intend to. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you just ride it out. You just ride it out the.
Speaker 5: Chef's kiss for me, there was him saying, and then
Speaker 5: we'll all forget about it. That's what puts Joe Buck
Speaker 5: over the top. He went through all that and then
Speaker 5: he points out at the very end like and it
Speaker 5: will all be completely meaningless.
Speaker 4: We'll have no memory of it.
Speaker 5: And Dan, you you once said, you know, almost hurtfully
Speaker 5: to me that that I always want to disagree with
Speaker 5: everything you are saying, just by reflex of nature. So
Speaker 5: I hope you know how much this means to me.
Speaker 5: Is I couldn't agree with you more about your Joe
Speaker 5: Buck and Troy Aikman take. They this is the bed
Speaker 5: best broadcast right now and it's not even close.
Speaker 1: I'm all right, good, Let I see that makes me
Speaker 1: feel good as well. And you're right Mark. You know
Speaker 1: they say the Internet never forgets, but you know, life
Speaker 1: goes on old blood o blad dah, Yes, it does.
Speaker 1: Take a break and we will hit some news, all right,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Here is the reporting on Monday morning from
Speaker 1: ian Rapaport out of Charlotte.
Speaker 4: Owner Dave Tepper.
Speaker 8: Mike did not want to make this move during the season.
Speaker 8: Sounded like the preference would be to evaluate after the season.
Speaker 8: That was the goal and it is always the goal
Speaker 8: until unless you just cannot watch any further. The brutal
Speaker 8: game on Sunday, plenty of mismanagement, quarterback did not play well.
Speaker 8: Owner Dave Tepper deciding this morning that Frank Reich would
Speaker 8: be out less than one season after taking over the
Speaker 8: Carolina Panthers head coaching duties, and it is once again
Speaker 8: a coaching search on in Carolina.
Speaker 1: H Yes, unbelievable. Frank Reich is out after just eleven games,
Speaker 1: which is we're talking history. We're talking he didn't last
Speaker 1: as long as urban Meyer, and that guy was the worst.
Speaker 1: But maybe we should have known it was coming, because,
Speaker 1: as you talked about in the Sunday show, Tepper walked
Speaker 1: out of the locker room after that loss of the Titans,
Speaker 1: shook his head and said, fuck. It was bad news
Speaker 1: for Frank Reich. And sure enough, the meeting on Monday
Speaker 1: went as poorly as imagined. He leaves after a one
Speaker 1: in ten start of the season and no growth from
Speaker 1: number one overall. Pick Bryce Young. Let's face it, Mark,
Speaker 1: that is ultimately what got Reich canned. It's one thing,
Speaker 1: and I really do think because Tepper is so I
Speaker 1: think in it so involved, perhaps overly involved that you
Speaker 1: know he's freaking out about the Bryce Young situation down
Speaker 1: in Houston as well, Like this was too big a
Speaker 1: decision to get wrong, and he is like a CEO,
Speaker 1: has his hands in everything and has decided, Man, we
Speaker 1: got to get this figured out at quarterback. We got
Speaker 1: to get this team on the right track. So you
Speaker 1: get rid of the head coach, something that he's been
Speaker 1: known to do since taking over this team.
Speaker 6: It's a total disaster. I like part of me like
Speaker 6: just feels for Frank Reike because I think we have
Speaker 6: enough evidence to tell us that Frank Reich is a
Speaker 6: good head coach overall. Like, I think this was a mess.
Speaker 6: The roster was a mess.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: They put Bryce Young into a tough situation.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: Their offensive line is a disaster. I don't know. I
Speaker 6: guess for me, I'm like looking at overall at the
Speaker 6: temper experience so far. And you know we talked about
Speaker 6: it before. Greg you mentioned, like on Sunday Night Show
Speaker 6: that like the NFL owner that comes in from another
Speaker 6: life venture where you succeed and you you know, you
Speaker 6: play the high roller and you fire people left and
Speaker 6: right to create the right environment that works in other places.
Speaker 6: I don't know about those places because I'm not good
Speaker 6: at other jobs. But I do this job. But like
Speaker 6: in the NFL, like I don't know if I am,
Speaker 6: but like the owner like is going to learn real
Speaker 6: quick that like this kind of situation where you're still
Speaker 6: paying Matt Rule's assistance at this point, you signed Matt
Speaker 6: Rule to like an eight year contract that threw a
Speaker 6: bunch of other owners like into a tizzy because it
Speaker 6: was ridiculous. You're now painting you still are on the
Speaker 6: hook for twenty five million to Frank Reich. The impatience level.
Speaker 6: If you took an overall look at the roster, what
Speaker 6: were you expecting this season? Like what are you asking
Speaker 6: Frank Reich to accomplish? Like I've been down on Frank Reike.
Speaker 6: I don't think he did. I don't think he was
Speaker 6: special this year at all. He didn't like actually come
Speaker 6: in and really make things great for them. But it's
Speaker 6: like Frank Reich is just the scapegoat here. I mean,
Speaker 6: I mean, where's the patience level? And I think the
Speaker 6: Panthers have a one of the worst problems you can
Speaker 6: have as an NFL fan, which is your owner is
Speaker 6: creating the mailstrom. Your owner is creating the firestorm. Your
Speaker 6: owner is creating the problem. And I don't know how
Speaker 6: you get out of that. You don't get out of
Speaker 6: that because it's not solvable by firing anyone else, like
Speaker 6: Tepa right now is the problem?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: And he is fired between his MLS team. He bought
Speaker 5: an MLS team a couple of years ago. It was
Speaker 5: an expansion, so they were building it up. But they
Speaker 5: started playing last year and then he's got the NFL team.
Speaker 5: Between those two teams, in the last eighteen months, he
Speaker 5: has fired four head coaches. That is not the interim.
Speaker 5: So he had his MLS team, he fired the coach
Speaker 5: after one season, then he fired Matt Rule in the
Speaker 5: middle of last season. Then the MLS team made the
Speaker 5: playoffs actually, and he fired that coach anyways after one season,
Speaker 5: and now here's Raich and it's all fine, like obviously,
Speaker 5: Like if you're in that press conference tomorrow, the question
Speaker 5: is like, well, why should we have any confidence you
Speaker 5: know how to pick a coach because you are self,
Speaker 5: admittedly terrible at it. You have said four different times,
Speaker 5: I'm bad at this. I need to fit my mistake.
Speaker 5: You gave you said it. Matt Rule got a seven
Speaker 5: year contractor Frank Raike got a five. They were the
Speaker 5: most expensive coaching at staff in history. Frank Reike with
Speaker 5: all these assistants. So he's bad at it? Why why
Speaker 5: should you be any good at it? And it's not
Speaker 5: even Frank Reike's fault necessarily. When the reporting from Adam
Speaker 5: Schefter was that he wanted c. J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: there was differing reports on that that Frank Reike did
Speaker 5: not want Bryce Young, but that the owner did. And
Speaker 5: so that is just as messy as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: And you saw it. I mean I watched the game
Speaker 1: yesterday and you could just see Frank Reich on the sideline,
Speaker 1: just his body language and he was just struggling. It
Speaker 1: was it was tough for him. And then when you
Speaker 1: think about that kind of stuff, you know, this is
Speaker 1: his last chance. Let's face it, this is Frank. You
Speaker 1: got fired by two straight teams and back to back years.
Speaker 1: He's not getting another head coaching job. It would be
Speaker 1: a stunner if he did.
Speaker 5: Do you want do you want to quote from him
Speaker 5: to Scott Fowler of the Yeah Ever today, The quote
Speaker 5: was this is probably the final chapter of my NFL journey.
Speaker 4: That's such a sa.
Speaker 1: And that's said, and you if you only get one
Speaker 1: more bite at the apple, you kinda and you get
Speaker 1: hired as a guy that has a lot of experience
Speaker 1: both as a player and as a coach, and the
Speaker 1: pedigree coming, you know, before the coach job from the Eagles.
Speaker 1: You I think what Tepper needs to learn is you
Speaker 1: should defer to people that know this business more than yourself.
Speaker 1: And maybe if you listen to Frank Reich and some
Speaker 1: other football people, you have Stroud or you have Richardson,
Speaker 1: who we don't know what he's gonna be like, but
Speaker 1: we certainly know Stroud is the dude. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to oversimplify it or repeat myself, but it is.
Speaker 1: This is the other thing that I imagine is massively
Speaker 1: frustrating to someone like a Dave Tepper is if he
Speaker 1: just picks the other guy, none of this is probably
Speaker 1: happening now. I'm not saying Stroud would be doing as
Speaker 1: well in Carolina as he is in Houston, because there's
Speaker 1: a different coaching staff down there, different players, but you
Speaker 1: get the feeling that if if he makes that decision, differently.
Speaker 1: We might we are probably not in this situation.
Speaker 5: He's probably not fired, but I feel like it would
Speaker 5: still be a mess, but it wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Be the same.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like, here's the thing, Like, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna.
Speaker 5: Seen some great quarterbacks in messes, you know, as rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's sure and and but I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks too, Greg, Like from my time as a Jets fan.
Speaker 1: When you're when you're like at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: QBR list, there is coming back from him. You'll get
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. There's a couple of cases through the year,
Speaker 1: Eli like it happens, but it's also many times a
Speaker 1: sign of a bad sign. And and he has been
Speaker 1: very bad this year. Bryce Young and hopefully someone comes
Speaker 1: in that connects with him. But Young being this guy
Speaker 1: so far, and the fact that they don't have a
Speaker 1: number one overall pick, and the fact that Tepper is
Speaker 1: who he is, Like, who wants this job? This is
Speaker 1: not a very this is not a very attractive job
Speaker 1: on the open market. I don't think yep.
Speaker 6: That was my thought too, was like it's gonna be
Speaker 6: tough to pull at this point. I would imagine Tepper
Speaker 6: wants to hit a home run, you know, from an
Speaker 6: optics standpoint, and you're asking a coach to come in
Speaker 6: and work out of a corner because like I think,
Speaker 6: like the quarterback is the number one thing, and like
Speaker 6: Bryce Young, Dan, I think you said it well like
Speaker 6: last night, like he plays small, like we we there's
Speaker 6: things you like about Bryce Young, but it's like the
Speaker 6: next coach, Like what kind of coach is it gonna be? That,
Speaker 6: Like you've been stripped of picks, you traded away your
Speaker 6: number one wide receiver, there's very few weapons, the team
Speaker 6: has a disastrous offensive line, and you're not sure the
Speaker 6: quarterback can play. Like anyone will take an NFL job
Speaker 6: at some point, but this is a rough ask and
Speaker 6: it's like you're not going to get a premier candidate,
Speaker 6: so like Tepper might wind up with someone even more
Speaker 6: unknown or riskier than even Frank Reich. And it's like
Speaker 6: I just I don't know. I think it's like the
Speaker 6: Panthers are in a really rough spot right now and
Speaker 6: it's because of ownership.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, don't don't tell me.
Speaker 5: By the way, you didn't want to do this, you know,
Speaker 5: I know Ian is just reporting what they were saying,
Speaker 5: you know, he was saying, like this was not the plan.
Speaker 5: He didn't want to do this. The hope was to
Speaker 5: make it to the end of the season. No, you
Speaker 5: did want to do this. You did it. It's literally
Speaker 5: the earliest coach been fired in forty years. You fired
Speaker 5: him faster than urban viral. You couldn't wait to do this,
Speaker 5: So you did it.
Speaker 1: And I don't. Well, he didn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: but but then he.
Speaker 4: Did want to do it, because he did it. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He wanted them to be ten and one right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things he wanted.
Speaker 5: But this is not the context of like a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks ago, Oh, I don't, I don't want to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: Just man up.
Speaker 4: I wanted to do it. I made a mistake. I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't even like hate that in a vacuum of
Speaker 5: like you're at this point, we don't need to like
Speaker 5: belabor that this isn't going to work. Let's move on.
Speaker 5: It actually might help. I mean it helped last year
Speaker 5: when they hired Steve Wilkes. That's why they fell down
Speaker 5: to the ninth pick and had to trade up DJ
Speaker 5: Moore and uh, the number one picked to get the
Speaker 5: number one overall pick because he was so impatient last year.
Speaker 5: If you had let matt rule play out the string,
Speaker 5: you probably wouldn't have won all those games and you
Speaker 5: wouldn't have traded all those picks. Let's just go over
Speaker 5: some things that have happened with Tepper. He has a
Speaker 5: half built facility in the middle of South Carolina. We
Speaker 5: keep hearing how like, oh, he closes deals. Well, he
Speaker 5: didn't close that. It's literally a half built building. He
Speaker 5: wanted Deshaun Watson couldn't get him. That worked that well.
Speaker 1: At least once they get the doors built on that facility,
Speaker 1: they're going to close him.
Speaker 5: Doors he wanted Matthew Stafford. Remember that they thought they
Speaker 5: had Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 5: They didn't close that. They traded Christian McCaffrey. They turned
Speaker 5: down a couple high picks for Brian Burns last year.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's just, uh, it's depressing.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about uh the Panthers on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: because guess what, we've been teasing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's been in the works. There was a scrubbed pilot
Speaker 1: edition of the program. A couple of weeks back that
Speaker 1: was at an editorial error on our part. But this time
Speaker 1: this week Wednesday, the premiere episode of Tepper B talking
Speaker 1: and against stylized. That's Tepper Dash, the letter B capitalized
Speaker 1: dash talking, no G at the end, just the apostrophe there,
Speaker 1: Tepper B talking because he has a press conference ten
Speaker 1: thirty am Eastern on Tuesday, and I should just get
Speaker 1: before we move on. Special teams coach Chris Tabor has
Speaker 1: been pointed as interim coach while offensive coordinator Thomas Brown,
Speaker 1: who just he right gave Brown play calling duties and
Speaker 1: then took them back, and now Reike's gone and he's
Speaker 1: once again on the play calling duties with help from
Speaker 1: senior assistant jim Caldell. Jimmy Caldwell still in the building.
Speaker 1: Also let go, by the way, Josh McCown, who once
Speaker 1: upon a time was being touted as a head coach
Speaker 1: who didn't even need any experience. Just put him right
Speaker 1: up there. He's canned. And also Do Stalley, a hard
Speaker 1: knock star for the lines. Last year their running backs
Speaker 1: coach who jumped ship went to Carolina and that was
Speaker 1: a mistake. So a lot of mistakes being made around
Speaker 1: the Panthers at Giro.
Speaker 5: Everro, who's a defensive coordinator, was also in the middle
Speaker 5: of that Broncos mess last year when Hackett got fired
Speaker 5: before the end of the season, So he has had
Speaker 5: some tough luck in terms of the defenses he's coordinated.
Speaker 4: We have both played well.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned McCown wanted to skip right to the
Speaker 5: head of the line and become a head coach without
Speaker 5: any you know, college or professional experience. The same can
Speaker 5: be said for Greg Olsen, the number one analyst in
Speaker 5: the Fox booth, who's potentially getting bumped down to number
Speaker 5: two if Tom Brady actually decides to broadcast and he
Speaker 5: is letting it be known through a source close to
Speaker 5: Greg Olsen, who you know, sounds a lot like Greg
Speaker 5: Olsen to me from the outside that Greg Olson would
Speaker 5: listen if David Tepper was interested in offering him the pandemic, he's.
Speaker 1: Trying to lure him with that, like stinky Dan Campbell cheese, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm a tight end. You like me. I connect with
Speaker 1: the players. Okay, by the way, that is made if.
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell coach of the NFL for about eight years though,
Speaker 5: before you go coach.
Speaker 1: But you know that's major points for the side of
Speaker 1: the coin, arguing Tom Brady's on his way to a
Speaker 1: booth because Olson's already looking for a parachute. He's like,
Speaker 1: I ain't dropping down to number two.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, Richard, coaching job, Richard Ditsche and Joe Person
Speaker 5: this was a joint reporting. I should give them credit
Speaker 5: for the athletic and Richard ditsch is their media journalist,
Speaker 5: and he said that it looks like right now, yes, Brady,
Speaker 5: you know that is probably gonna at least try it
Speaker 5: for a year, and that in that scenario, Olsen would
Speaker 5: be bumped down to number two.
Speaker 1: Oh isn't that a shame for you guys?
Speaker 5: Mostly right now, right now, it's not. It hasn't happened.
Speaker 5: You know, we'll see.
Speaker 6: That is a disaster. By the way, because Olsen and
Speaker 6: Burkehrd are excellent together, I don't wonder. I don't get
Speaker 6: why Olsen would want to leave what he's doing right now,
Speaker 6: where he is in a great spot, doing a great job,
Speaker 6: to go take over a team in like disaster mode.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It feels very just Saturday ish to me.
Speaker 1: But because he's butt hurt, because old Tommy Boy's riding
Speaker 1: in to take his job.
Speaker 6: Well, Creig and I have theories that you know that
Speaker 6: Tom Brady may never take that job. But well, at
Speaker 6: this point it sounds like, you know what, it took
Speaker 6: a year off to study announcing.
Speaker 1: Please, I think we have sandwich props on that one.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe, I believe we do. And uh, let's go.
Speaker 5: Another angle is like John Lynch, he uses some outside
Speaker 5: interest in returning to the league to leverage a nice
Speaker 5: little raise there at Fox.
Speaker 4: But we'll see, Okay.
Speaker 1: In other news, Miles Garrett thought he heard a pop
Speaker 1: in his shoulder in Sunday's loss to who Mark I'm
Speaker 1: blanking on it.
Speaker 6: The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos. However, according to rap Sheet, the injury
Speaker 1: is not believed to be serious. The shoulder quote checked out, okay,
Speaker 1: and that is, you know, season saving for the Browns
Speaker 1: because you know you could take away Nick Chubb and
Speaker 1: somehow survive. You take away to Sean Watson and still
Speaker 1: chug along. But if you take away the great Garrett,
Speaker 1: I think the jig is up. So hopefully he will
Speaker 1: be healthy and his normal dominating self this week. Dorian
Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson not so clear after he took that wicked
Speaker 1: shot in Denver. That could mean mark more of the
Speaker 1: other Cleveland quarterback, which we do not need to see
Speaker 1: more of.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think it. I think the big
Speaker 6: question is if they put Joe Flacco in there at
Speaker 6: this point, who was wearing a It's very odd to me,
Speaker 6: very odd to me to see Joe Flacco in a
Speaker 6: Brown's hoodie on the sideline yesterday. That did not feel
Speaker 6: right to me on any level. But you know, I
Speaker 6: think if we were in a world where the MVP
Speaker 6: race wasn't just simply like who the best quarterback is,
Speaker 6: which it just that's all it is at this point,
Speaker 6: Miles Garrett is in that world, like for Cleveland in
Speaker 6: the if you look at what he's done for the
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns, I think he's in that kind of you know,
Speaker 6: space where he's won them games where I think in
Speaker 6: the years past, like he's been more of a T. J.
Speaker 6: Wattish type character this year where he's had major, like
Speaker 6: an incredible impact game. After game yesterday, he watching him,
Speaker 6: he couldn't lift his left arm at all, like they
Speaker 6: were trying to, like teammates were attempting to give him
Speaker 6: a high five. He had to switch his body around
Speaker 6: high five with his right hand. So I thought like
Speaker 6: we were gonna get devastating news today. So this is
Speaker 6: quite a boon for the Browns, who you're right without
Speaker 6: Miles Garrett, check you, lator.
Speaker 1: We can't have Joe Flacco on the field in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 5: Right across the sidewalk, we actually might all have to go.
Speaker 4: We might have to Joe Flacco. He is the old
Speaker 4: meaningful game too. They're seven and four. The Rams are
Speaker 4: trying to get in the middle.
Speaker 1: I had to watch Joe flacko on games I counted
Speaker 1: last year for my team. Joe Flacco can throw, still
Speaker 1: throw a tight spiral as many old dads can. But
Speaker 1: that man is the ultimate Stone age pony in the pocket,
Speaker 1: and even worse, if you even sniff around him in
Speaker 1: the pocket, if he gets a little bit money muddy,
Speaker 1: that ball goes flying. I'm I still stick to the
Speaker 1: theory I was sharing with you yesterday in the newsroom,
Speaker 1: Mark that Flacco doesn't want to play. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just I missed the guys. I I miss being
Speaker 1: in the buildings, I missed the meetings, the camaraderie, but
Speaker 1: don't put me in.
Speaker 6: No, he looked very comfortable, just sort of like hanging
Speaker 6: out in street clothes, you know, as part of the collection,
Speaker 6: part of the crew. Suddenly you're in a game where
Speaker 6: you're getting like destroyed by like a pound defensive end.
Speaker 1: No, just getting smoked by guys born in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two.
Speaker 5: And it's just like we're not Donald Donald, Aaron Donald, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: come meet Aaron Donald four days from now.
Speaker 6: That'll be fun.
Speaker 1: And think about it. Like with with Flacco, he's Johnny
Speaker 1: and iis biopic fell through and at this point he
Speaker 1: already thought he would be you know, knee deep in
Speaker 1: his Hollywood career, and since that never took off, he's
Speaker 1: just looking to fill the void. And that's just being
Speaker 1: in buildings and being around the guys, being in love.
Speaker 6: I will tell you I've mentioned poor but like in
Speaker 6: the when we went to the Super Bowl in New
Speaker 6: York and on you know that night, as we were
Speaker 6: leaving were I think we're the last people to leave
Speaker 6: that stadium, it started to snow and Greg had verbal
Speaker 6: words with our taxi driver who tried to like get
Speaker 6: gas in the middle of that trip, and overcharge us.
Speaker 6: But the next day it was snowing pretty heavily and
Speaker 6: I was walking down the street Cider Hotel and Joe
Speaker 6: Flacco like came out of a you know, swinging door,
Speaker 6: and it was like like other quarterbacks that you just
Speaker 6: think on the sideline look like average dudes. Like he
Speaker 6: was a strapping, like handsome man. So he's ten times
Speaker 6: cooler in person than you'd think just by looking at
Speaker 6: him in a hoodie on the sideline. So we'll see.
Speaker 6: But him on the Browns makes no sense. No, but
Speaker 6: him on the Browns makes no sense. Rights one of
Speaker 6: the most jarring bizarre things that makes no like.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's almost as weird as Carson Wentz taking
Speaker 5: snaps through the Rams on Sunday. They didn't let him
Speaker 5: throw the ball, but they just watching him run out
Speaker 5: onto the field. What if we saw I mean, I
Speaker 5: do not want Matthew Stafford to get hurt or anything,
Speaker 5: but maybe he has to go to the bathroom for
Speaker 5: a second. We see a little Wentz versus Flacco in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I know we should move on, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how many more times we're gonna have a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about Joe Flacco, super Bowl forty seven super Dome.
Speaker 1: The Ravens have just pulled it off, and Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: just won Super Bowl MVP after one of the greatest
Speaker 1: postseason runs by any quarterback ever. It happened. Look it
Speaker 1: up and Mark, you and I snuck on the field
Speaker 1: at the Superdome, was right before they did that thing
Speaker 1: where you have to scan your badge to get onto
Speaker 1: the field, and we kind of remember, we ducked through
Speaker 1: these curtains because the Superdome, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a dump in some respects, and they didn't have a
Speaker 1: they didn't have it secure, so we kind of snuck
Speaker 1: through these curtains. Got on the field right after the
Speaker 1: game with the confetti and the cannons and the celebrations
Speaker 1: all around us, and there's Joe Flacco and next to
Speaker 1: him is one of his brothers, and Joe looks taps
Speaker 1: his brother on the shoulder in like a quiet moment
Speaker 1: during the celebration after they did the Riser stuff and
Speaker 1: pointed out this beautiful two thousand and thirteen or twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen Corvette that was given to him for being the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. And he goes, hey, that's my car.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Let's be cool to be a quarterback and
Speaker 1: have success. All right, let's move on. That's my car.
Speaker 5: Maybe the best half of football, it is my answer
Speaker 5: for the first half of that game is the best
Speaker 5: half I've ever seen any quarterback play in person.
Speaker 4: Period. It's n even close. It's it was outrageous.
Speaker 1: So Garrett expected to play Sunday. DT are uncertain shack
Speaker 1: loss and brutally frustrating a loss for the Bills on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And imagine a loss like that, and then you're in
Speaker 1: Philly with all those fans everywhere there and they're giving
Speaker 1: you a hard time. He ends up lost in He
Speaker 1: got caught on video in a confrontation with fans during
Speaker 1: that game, and you know, I actually didn't have a
Speaker 1: chance to take a look at this, but he did
Speaker 1: apologize and say he respects the game and he respects
Speaker 1: his opponents. He was giving his side of the story
Speaker 1: that before the game there was a fan behind our
Speaker 1: making life threatening remarks towards us and our families. Whoever
Speaker 1: you are, Bradley Cooper, you gotta cut that out, all right,
Speaker 1: this is just football. But anyway, there was lines that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be crossed lost and said and they were and
Speaker 1: you know, so obviously a very emotional situation, and he
Speaker 1: shouldn't have used hands. But I could see it too.
Speaker 5: I have a feeling that the NFL will react strongly to
Speaker 5: this because it's on video. If it wasn't on video,
Speaker 5: which no one had heard about it until you know,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna watch it, post it on Twitter. You know, no,
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have gotten punished. But this is this is
Speaker 5: the NFL's nightmare, as him getting right in his face,
Speaker 5: right right in the front row as the game ended.
Speaker 5: I wonder if the fan came down even in further
Speaker 5: or if he was there the whole time.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's an ugly scene.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now. Did he bumped him?
Speaker 5: It looks like they were like in each other's face.
Speaker 5: You can't really tell from that angle. Maybe there was
Speaker 5: a little pushing, but thankful it didn't go further.
Speaker 1: By the way, that fan sucks whoever you are, you sucked, course, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean it's a very it's a high
Speaker 1: stress environment, an emotional game. You are there to watch
Speaker 1: the game, not taunt the players and try to get
Speaker 1: a reaction that you suck. Anyway, Alvin Kamara with Greg
Speaker 1: set up this Salvin Kamara quote because the Saints are
Speaker 1: in very desperate straits right now. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: anything on either side of the ball is particularly noteworthy.
Speaker 1: But it's the offense especially that is in the crosshairs,
Speaker 1: an offense that has been failing miserably in the red zone,
Speaker 1: and everything is hard and the quarterback is not getting
Speaker 1: it done, and neither is anyone else. Really, here's uh
Speaker 1: tell us about the Kamara words.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, Cabert has been an interesting person to listen
Speaker 5: to this year because he's clearly just frustrated. I think
Speaker 5: it's not too hard to read between the lines of
Speaker 5: the leadership that you know, there's some liking of tweets
Speaker 5: from Michael Thomas that would maybe indicate like they're not
Speaker 5: thrilled with the quarterback either and the coach. But in
Speaker 5: this case, I thought he very pointingly in a way
Speaker 5: that you don't hear a coach or a player almost
Speaker 5: call out directly his head coach in terms of the
Speaker 5: words that his head coach uses. And he did that
Speaker 5: after the game on Sunday. Now, this clip is from
Speaker 5: Nick Underhill site New Orleans Football but it's a special
Speaker 5: edited clip from a guy on Twitter, Nola Flint at
Speaker 5: e f l y n T, and he had a
Speaker 5: little fun cutting it up.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to it.
Speaker 10: Just I don't know if we need to find a
Speaker 10: real fix, not just oh, we got to be better,
Speaker 10: because that's you wanna be better every week. That's obvious. Right,
Speaker 10: Let's let's get past that. We already know we got
Speaker 10: to be better. How are we gonna get better? What
Speaker 10: are we going to do to get better?
Speaker 1: One day? Laydell?
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I mean does it need to be better? Yes,
Speaker 9: you know I'd be the first one to stand up
Speaker 9: here and tell you that it needs to be that
Speaker 9: it needs to be better. And it really hadn't been
Speaker 9: quite where we needed to be in the last couple
Speaker 9: of years. So it's going to continue to be an
Speaker 9: area that we'll that we'll address and try to work
Speaker 9: on and try to be better at.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we could use all that, but
Speaker 5: he literally said, I'm sick of hearing you say we
Speaker 5: got to be better. Tell us how to be better?
Speaker 5: How are we going to be better? This is a
Speaker 5: man Kamara that was coached by Sean Payton, who I
Speaker 5: think is very good on the details, the small details
Speaker 5: of the game, and that's where the Saints are struggling
Speaker 5: twenty ninth in the red zone, all sorts of penalties,
Speaker 5: and he's like, give us some answers.
Speaker 4: We're not getting answers.
Speaker 6: I feel like the Saints, like this offseason kind of
Speaker 6: made it clear outside of you know, attempting to try
Speaker 6: to convince us that Derek Carr was going to help things,
Speaker 6: that they were very content with winning eight to nine games,
Speaker 6: and Dennis Allen was sort of like the signal in
Speaker 6: the in the symbol of that, and like, I can't
Speaker 6: imagine a team that could have more changes coming this offseason.
Speaker 6: I could see a lot of transition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean we talked about it, we
Speaker 1: did the what you people don't realize we are going
Speaker 1: to see a lot of turnover in head coaches. We've
Speaker 1: already now seen two go by the boards and we
Speaker 1: just crossed Thanksgiving. There are gonna be you know, potentially
Speaker 1: ten changes here by the time we get to January.
Speaker 1: It could be one of those real bloodbath years.
Speaker 5: NFC Southfield's like one coach survives basically, like whoever wins
Speaker 5: the division, you keep your job. Maybe Arthur Smith could
Speaker 5: keep it if you like when eight and nine and
Speaker 5: didn't win the division. I don't know, but I don't
Speaker 5: think that's the way it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: Imagine like having your dream job that you fought your
Speaker 1: whole life for and it's coming down to whether Desmond
Speaker 1: Ritter can get you across the finish line at eight
Speaker 1: and nine. That sounds very stressful. That sounds like an
Speaker 1: ulcer waiting to happen. Injury news, Well, no, let's let's
Speaker 1: hit some Raiders news. They cut Marcus Peters, the veteran cornerback.
Speaker 1: He had to pick six a couple weeks ago and
Speaker 1: was playing for them, but they had a team meeting.
Speaker 1: They had a meeting with him and he was due
Speaker 1: I believe a million and a half in cent of
Speaker 1: money if he played the rest of the season, and
Speaker 1: I think that played a role in the decision to
Speaker 1: part ways, as the Raiders obviously are not contending right now.
Speaker 1: Roderick teamer, he gets a DUI on a game day,
Speaker 1: so he gets cut as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe Peters ends up with his old Ravens team.
Speaker 4: They could use a corner back and.
Speaker 1: Then he would play like he was twenty six. Again,
Speaker 1: I could see it. The Jags put left tackle Cam
Speaker 1: Robinson on injured reserve. Dolphins left tackle Toront arms said
Speaker 1: is week to week. We'll see where he comes down
Speaker 1: health wise and anything on that.
Speaker 5: Boys, well, I feel like every couple of weeks we
Speaker 5: have our like wow, toront Armstead. They're just not the
Speaker 5: same without him. And Saints Fanson kind of mentioned like
Speaker 5: this was their experience with him too. Great guy, but
Speaker 5: almost never plays more than eight to ten games and
Speaker 5: they really aren't the same offense without him. And that's
Speaker 5: a big loss for the Jaguars too. They're starting left
Speaker 5: tackle even though they have some good depth there.
Speaker 1: And finally, uh Joe Shane he uh came out and
Speaker 1: did a press conference. He's the general manager of the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, and he has said something that I
Speaker 1: guess raised eyebrows. It did little a little bit less
Speaker 1: for me, and we could talk about it. After listening
Speaker 1: in on his words today, I think.
Speaker 11: We're gonna have to do something in the quarterback, whether
Speaker 11: it's free agency or or the draft. I mean, just
Speaker 11: where we are, Tyrod's contracts up, you know, Devido is
Speaker 11: obviously on our contract, and Daniel you know, we don't
Speaker 11: know when he's gonna be ready, So you know, just
Speaker 11: from an off season program standpoint, you know, I think
Speaker 11: that'll be a position that we'll We'll have to look again.
Speaker 11: There's different avenues free agency or the draft, but we'll
Speaker 11: have to address it at some point.
Speaker 1: It was also said by Shane that the expectation is
Speaker 1: Daniel Daniel Jones will be the starter went healthy. But listen,
Speaker 1: we've been doing this for a while. That's that's what
Speaker 1: they They almost always say, and they that and that
Speaker 1: allows you to kind of cover yourself and also, uh,
Speaker 1: you don't have you don't get accused of lying because
Speaker 1: in the moment you're saying the expectation is that he's
Speaker 1: our starter. But then you go through an off season
Speaker 1: where you check out what's in the free agency market,
Speaker 1: the trade market, and the draft market, and it could
Speaker 1: be very different. I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if the
Speaker 1: Giants end up with a top five pick and don't
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on a QB.
Speaker 6: I don't think you can go into next season if
Speaker 6: you're Brian Dieble trying to sell Daniel Jones to the
Speaker 6: fan base or to yourself. I think it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: they came out of a year where he was the
Speaker 6: most productive version of Daniel Jones and got the contract.
Speaker 6: But it's like they're gonna be in position to draft someone.
Speaker 6: There gonna be a number of quarterbacks that are available
Speaker 6: via trade, and it's like he'll at least have intense
Speaker 6: competition for the starting job because I'm not convinced he's
Speaker 6: a reliable starter on any level.
Speaker 5: Well, their win, you know, we talked about it on Sunday,
Speaker 5: was really potentially huge for their draft position. And then
Speaker 5: the Bears winning tonight is another team. There's quite a
Speaker 5: bit of separation now between the top three picks. Carolina
Speaker 5: at one win obviously that's the Bears pick, and then
Speaker 5: the Cardinals and Patriots at two wins. Everyone else, including
Speaker 5: your Jets as four wins, so the Jets are even
Speaker 5: in the mix for like a top five pick at
Speaker 5: this point. There's a lot of teams, but there's a
Speaker 5: operation there like Arizona and the Patriots, and then the
Speaker 5: Bears are a pretty strong one two three right now
Speaker 5: and they would all have to win multiple games to
Speaker 5: fall out.
Speaker 1: Of that if the season ended today. I'm on the
Speaker 1: Great Tankathon Dot com it would be top five would
Speaker 1: be Chicago from Carolina, Arizona, New England, Chicago again, Washington.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the top ten Giants at six, Tampa Bay, seven, Jets,
Speaker 1: eight Chargers, nine, Tennessee ten where things stand right now.
Speaker 5: And yeah, picks four through ten, I'll have four wins,
Speaker 5: So get excited.
Speaker 1: How about that, Greg? How about that that week eighteen
Speaker 1: Jets at Patriots. That's a wild one because the Jets,
Speaker 1: it's probably the Jets last chance to beat Bill beat
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, which they, outside of one miraculous playoff win,
Speaker 1: could never do. And the Patriots need to lose that
Speaker 1: game most likely. But they literally can't lose to the Jets.
Speaker 1: They've been trying to lose to the Jets for a
Speaker 1: couple of years now. They still can't.
Speaker 5: Right, they can't beat the Giants, no matter who who
Speaker 5: they threw out there, and they can't lose to the Jets.
Speaker 5: And and I thought, I just from you know, I
Speaker 5: would have guessed that would have been one of those
Speaker 5: fans that could actually root against, you know, the team
Speaker 5: I grew up rooting for in a situation like this,
Speaker 5: because I do know it would be better, I really
Speaker 5: do want one of those quarterbacks that would get me excited.
Speaker 5: But when it came down to I can't root against
Speaker 5: the team when they're on the field against the Giants,
Speaker 5: they still wanted them to win until the game's over.
Speaker 5: And then you're like, especially the Giants, Yeah, especially the Giants,
Speaker 5: but until the game's over, but really any of the games.
Speaker 5: And then you're like, Okay, actually, now that that's a
Speaker 5: half hour old, that's probably good that that actually happened.
Speaker 4: But how can you root against your own team?
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Can I just double back? Mark? I can't.
Speaker 1: I came too strong there. I feel like the Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones things maybe has a little more. God, they just
Speaker 1: gave him this huge contract and the whole season was
Speaker 1: a lost season. He gets hurt. Are they gonna bail
Speaker 1: on him? I know there's only one year guaranteed money
Speaker 1: left beyond this year. Yeah, also Dabel is Now if
Speaker 1: Dabel really does like Jones, and I would imagine he
Speaker 1: liked him a lot because he had to be fully
Speaker 1: on board, you would imagine, or yeah.
Speaker 6: With no, I don't I don't think there's I don't
Speaker 6: like it. First of all, like the kind of the
Speaker 6: contract is what for they're tied to him for one
Speaker 6: more year. I think it just depends what other opportunities
Speaker 6: come up, like Brian Dable after this season. I mean,
Speaker 6: assuming it just continues in the skittish fashion that it's
Speaker 6: been in, Like you're coaching for your job next year,
Speaker 6: Like do you tie your job to Daniel Jones? I
Speaker 6: would not. I would he did.
Speaker 1: I mean what I'm saying is three months ago or
Speaker 1: whatever he was perfectly comfortable with it, or four months
Speaker 1: ago when they whenever the contract was handed out, at
Speaker 1: did they did he lose the faith of the team
Speaker 1: that quickly? I guess it's certainly, certainly. And maybe they're
Speaker 1: trying to thread the needle Greggy. Maybe they're they're looking
Speaker 1: at like the old, the old Chargers model, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we got Drew Brees here, but let's draft Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: and then if Drew Brees plays, well, we could trade
Speaker 1: him and then give Phil. You know, maybe they're hoping
Speaker 1: they can maybe Jones is still involved next year and
Speaker 1: then they have a backup ready to roll either way.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they want to be ready.
Speaker 5: I think they will absolutely get a quarterback if at
Speaker 5: all possible. But if they have the sixth pick, are
Speaker 5: they going to maybe trade picks up to get a quarterback? No,
Speaker 5: Then having Dania Jones maybe changes that and we'll see
Speaker 5: what veterans are available. But I always thought, as as
Speaker 5: I usually do with quarterbacks and the Giants, that ownership
Speaker 5: was involved, and in that contract, I think they were big.
Speaker 5: They're big fans of Daniel Jones getting that thing over
Speaker 5: the finish line. And and it's only one more year,
Speaker 5: and this year could not have been any worse Dan.
Speaker 5: I mean that if he had this year a year ago,
Speaker 5: it's not like it would have been a decision, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So, and he's coming off in ACL. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Danny Dimes guy, And I always
Speaker 1: thought it was a little weird that, like the last
Speaker 1: four games in a playoff game before the Eagles loss,
Speaker 1: that's really what got him paid when he got hot there,
Speaker 1: I thought, more than anything else, it always seemed weird
Speaker 1: that he got the deal. But I don't know they
Speaker 1: got a big decision to make anything else, boys.
Speaker 6: Not particularly for me.
Speaker 4: Has the Christmas parade ended?
Speaker 1: Mark? Yeah? What did you get into your apartment? Mark?
Speaker 6: Eleven something eleven something like, you know.
Speaker 5: You could have like parked like a mile away and
Speaker 5: then like walked or something like that. I could have
Speaker 5: if he really needed to get back for some reason.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: Right, But this was a disaster, So I am, what's up?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. I don't know this because I
Speaker 1: don't produce, But could Mark have like jumped on on
Speaker 1: his phone from the car if he's anyway, if you
Speaker 1: really like cared?
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I mean yeah, it's definitely a possibility. I
Speaker 12: don't want to throw you under the bus, but I
Speaker 12: think I want to say we had Bonetta on her
Speaker 12: phone at one point in.
Speaker 4: The Friday last year to.
Speaker 1: Established but.
Speaker 12: I've been in the Hollywood area he signal out there.
Speaker 12: It probably would have been a nightmare and it would
Speaker 12: have just created a problem. So I will give him that.
Speaker 12: So yeah, well it could have been done. Eric, Sorry,
Speaker 12: sorry Mark, Thank you?
Speaker 9: Eric.
Speaker 6: Uh, we'll talk to you later. Have a nice night,
Speaker 6: all right, everybody, have a nice night.
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