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Speaker 2: Hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan That's

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. Coming up, we'll hear from former Olympian

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Speaker 2: Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist. He's working for NBC.

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Speaker 2: Get his thoughts on all of the sprinting, all the

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Speaker 2: track and field that we've seen so far. Eight seven

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio nearly over four hundred and ten cities

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Speaker 2: carrying the program. I have odds to win the NFL

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and it is a runaway right now.

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Speaker 2: It's Caleb Williams and then it's Jaden Daniels. The player

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Speaker 2: who I think is going to be the Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the Year is third on that list. So Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Junior, the third is my pick

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Speaker 2: for Rookie of the Year. Malik Neighbors of the Giants

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Speaker 2: is fourth on that list. So Caleb Williams is the

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Speaker 2: big favorite. Jaden Daniels of the Washington and then Marvin

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Speaker 2: Harrison Junior. I also have odds to win the Comeback

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year case you're wondering about that, the

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Speaker 2: odds to win. Now, we thought Damar Hamlin was going

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Speaker 2: to win last year? Was that Joe Flacco who ended

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Speaker 2: up getting comeback.

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Speaker 3: From the Dad's not good enough anymore.

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Speaker 2: Joe came back from his couch, Damar Hamlin came back

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Speaker 2: from dying. But I wasn't voting on it. Would you

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Speaker 2: guys like to take a stab the odds to win

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Speaker 2: the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award? Paul Aaron Rodgers? Yes, yeah, eh,

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Speaker 2: that's a good one. Good guess that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Then it's Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Anthony Richardson, and Nick Chubb.

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Speaker 2: But Aaron Rodgers, who was voted one of the top

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Speaker 2: one hundred players this past season, even though he only

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Speaker 2: played four plays, he was one of the top one

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Speaker 2: hundred players. He must I have to go back and

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Speaker 2: look at those four plays that he was in on.

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Speaker 2: He must have been unbelievable for the Jets. Four plays

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Speaker 2: and he's one of the top one hundred players. This

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Speaker 2: is why I hate those lists, those polls where you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: vote on this, Do you vote for your friend? Do

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Speaker 2: you vote against somebody? I mean, are you getting a

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Speaker 2: true sense? Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football,

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Speaker 2: the most valuable player in football. He wins championships. This

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Speaker 2: is like Michael Jordan. When they go, you know, Carl

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Speaker 2: Malone had a good year, Charles Bark, they go, Mike

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Speaker 2: is going to win a championship. That is makes you

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Speaker 2: the best player. Patrick Mahomes is the best player in football.

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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill is wonderful. He's wonderful, but he's not better

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Speaker 2: than Patrick Mahomes. Now you can say, is he faster

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Speaker 2: and he's more talented. I guess all I know is

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Speaker 2: when it comes to greatness, who's winning. Patrick Mahomes is winning.

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Speaker 2: That's value. That makes you the best player. I don't

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Speaker 2: care who else you put in there, It is Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: So those list are silly. And the fact that Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers played four plays and he was in the top

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Speaker 2: one hundred. Crazy stat of the day has always brought

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Speaker 2: you by Panini America, the official trading cards of this program.

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Speaker 2: Experienced the Olympics like you've never seen them before Primetime

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Speaker 2: in Paris Tonight, NBC and Peacock. This guy has been

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Speaker 2: a well busy man. Here, Otto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist,

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Speaker 2: a silver, three bronze. Now it's good to see you.

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Speaker 2: You have a silver and three bronze. If I said

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Speaker 2: you could have one gold, but you can't have your

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Speaker 2: silver and three bronze, would you take the one gold

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Speaker 2: over a silver and three bronze yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Of course? Okay, absolutely, okay, absolutely, I love my medals,

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Speaker 4: but to be able to say that you're Olympic champion

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Speaker 5: Nice ring to it, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what if I said one gold or four silvers?

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Speaker 4: Still the gold? Still the gold?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Do you want the one hundred or the two

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Speaker 2: You want to be in this sport, yeah, you want.

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Speaker 4: You want the sexy events, the mile and the hundred.

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Speaker 5: Not that the other ones aren't great, but those are

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Speaker 2: You had the lean by Noah Lyles and and you're

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Speaker 2: you're taught to do this. I don't know how often

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Speaker 2: you practice that lean with your chest as opposed to

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Speaker 2: your head or your hands or whatever, but explain that

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Speaker 2: how often you practice that. Oh, we lost him, otto

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Speaker 2: can you hear me? And we'll see if we can

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Speaker 2: get him once again. Thought it was a great question,

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Speaker 2: and I thought maybe he was taking time. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's always going to be this way.

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Speaker 5: It's always going to be this way. It's never changed

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Speaker 2: Yep, we'll try it again here. Well, we'll reset with

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Speaker 2: Auto Bolden by the way eight seven seven three DP

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Speaker 2: show email address, DP Atdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle, a

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Speaker 2: DP show a Seaton poll question as we wait to

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Speaker 2: get Auto Bolden back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we got a few of them up here. Let's

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Speaker 6: see would you rather have one gold or four silvers?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 6: Eighty percent of the audience are taking the gold medal?

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Speaker 6: Okay who pulled out of the proposed trade patriots or

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Speaker 6: Brandon Ayuk. That's a seventy four percent Brandon Ayuk situation.

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Speaker 6: And whose career would you rather have three six Mafia

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Speaker 6: or Diane Warren?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 6: Three six Mafia winning with sixty seven percent?

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Speaker 6: This a slight to the great Diane Warren. Okay, but

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Speaker 6: that's again that's taking the gold medal. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: You know, if I said it was over four Olympics,

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Speaker 2: I'd still take the silvers over one goal. Four Olympics

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Speaker 2: Also a little bit later on, we'll talk to the

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Speaker 2: man who is responsible for the sculpting of the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame bus at the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: So that'll be coming up. The White Sox win front

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Speaker 2: runner Marvin has his White Sox hat on. They've ended

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Speaker 2: the streak at twenty one games, right, and now no

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Speaker 2: one cares about the White Sox. You win, now you're irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to be in it, be in it

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Speaker 2: worst losing streak in baseball history. Stand they ended up with. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, they ended up winning, and now nobody's going

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Speaker 7: Yes, Mark, the play by play guy, do you think

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Speaker 7: that's his you know, signature saying south side stand up?

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Speaker 2: He's been waiting to say that for two months. Well,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't sound that excited when he says it. Here

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Speaker 2: is how it sounded last night. Everybody deserves a win

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Speaker 8: This could do it out to left field coming in,

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Speaker 1: And the streak is over.

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Speaker 8: After twenty one l's in a row, the White Sox

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Speaker 8: in a long time. Say it with me, south Side

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's become a little bit of a thing with

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Speaker 6: the White Sox. I think south side stand up? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if everybody is on board and White

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it was convincing outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Stand they've been sitting for a month and you are all

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Speaker 2: South stand up. The father son combination Larry and Gavin

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Speaker 2: Sheets now now tied for the all time losing streaks.

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Speaker 2: So you got the father son situation here. Gavin Sheets

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight Orioles, who also lost twenty one

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Speaker 2: really during their twenty one game losing streaks, but Gavin

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Speaker 2: Sheets and Larry Sheets, father son combo, both played on

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Speaker 6: Now stand of a day, stall of a day, start

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Speaker 2: This is the stat of the day that will never

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Speaker 2: never be broken. You got father son and they're both

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Speaker 2: going to lose twenty one consecutive games for separate franchises.

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Speaker 2: Pretty amazing. But the White Sox winning last night, and

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Speaker 2: they did so, beating the Oakland A's to end their

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Speaker 2: nearly had a no hitter last night. Framberg Valdez nearly

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Speaker 2: had a no hitter one out away from his second

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Speaker 9: When this happened, Conter goes and there's a swing and

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Speaker 8: There goes the no hitter, and the Rangers are off the.

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Speaker 2: Meat yep, they came with it.

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Speaker 2: I guess Correy Seeker's done that twice now with two

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Speaker 4: Really buddy, Paris Hotel.

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Speaker 2: WIFEI guys, okay, let me go back to leaning. At

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Speaker 2: the tape. Noah Lyles ends up winning the gold fastest

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Speaker 2: When you're a sprinter, it's.

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Speaker 4: Not the sort of thing that you would practice very often,

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Speaker 4: remember the difference between gold and silver, bronze and no

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Speaker 4: metal might be the lean.

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Speaker 5: It's always been the case.

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Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of people online going, oh no,

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Speaker 4: it's the foot at speed skating. Oh no, you can

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Speaker 4: There's about two inches when you blow it up between

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Speaker 4: Noah and KSh Shane Thompson of Jamaica. At that point

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Speaker 4: last Sunday night between gold and silver.

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Speaker 2: How long do you think you saying Bolt's record time

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Speaker 2: in the Olympics will stand.

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Speaker 4: They're not getting anywhere near that record for well, the

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Speaker 4: hundred be the record. I think it's going to last

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Speaker 4: a little longer. No, if he wasn't doubling, I would

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Speaker 4: little closer to it. He's put one two away from

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Speaker 4: it now with his nineteen point three one American record.

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Speaker 4: I think both two hundred meter record will go first.

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Speaker 4: The hunter is going to take a little longer.

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Speaker 5: No, I think he.

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Speaker 4: Improves his start maybe. And to Shane Thompson certainly of Jamaica,

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Speaker 2: The build of you saying bold like that's how rare

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Speaker 2: is he six two six three?

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Speaker 4: No, are you saying it's six five?

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Speaker 4: I'm having a ball. Thanks for having you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, Auto Bolden, four time Olympic medalist, world

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Speaker 7: I think that the forty nine ers and Brandon Ayuk,

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Speaker 7: certainly on that short list. Come on, it's an all

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Speaker 7: star team. It's arguably the best O line in football.

438
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Speaker 7: It might be the best duo receivers in football. The

439
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Speaker 7: D line's probably the best in football.

440
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Speaker 4: Right.

441
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Speaker 7: The rest of their defense ain't bad either, so they

442
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Speaker 7: got a lot of stuff there that that should not

443
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Speaker 7: be acceptable with the way that you're ended last year,

444
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Speaker 7: I think the big thing is, and you hear a

445
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Speaker 7: lot of this and listen, I don't know the exact story,

446
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 7: but yeah.

447
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Speaker 5: There's been issues.

448
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Speaker 7: There is issues, whether it's with how players feel about

449
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Speaker 7: Jalen Hurts in the locker room or even Nick Sirianni

450
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Speaker 7: in the locker room, there's definitely issues there. So where

451
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 7: there's smoke, there's fire, and I think everybody around the

452
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 7: league kind of knows that, right, Jalen Hurts is not

453
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Speaker 7: loved by everybody in the locker room, certainly not. And

454
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Speaker 7: I think that Nick Sirianni has some of that same

455
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Speaker 7: stuff there in the locker room as well that they're

456
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Speaker 7: dealing with. But their big thing from last year Dan

457
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Speaker 7: was the other coordinators. That was the issue, right Nick

458
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Speaker 7: Sirianni moving on to the Indianapolis Colts, he is one

459
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Speaker 7: of the best offensive mines in football, and they certainly

460
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Speaker 7: had a guy there in Brian Johnson who was not

461
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Speaker 7: ready for NFL football offensive coordinator duty. And then we

462
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Speaker 7: know and the defensive side of the ball, it was

463
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Speaker 7: really the same issue. So I expect a better team

464
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Speaker 7: this year because Vic Fangio is as good as it gets.

465
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Speaker 7: And then of course we know we got Kelln Winslow there,

466
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Speaker 7: I do think is a step up, right Kellen Moore, Sorry,

467
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Speaker 7: Kevin Winslow, we don't want.

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Speaker 2: Him, no old school. Yeah, It's just weird that a

469
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Speaker 2: quarterback goes to the line of scrimmage and he and

470
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Speaker 2: his wide receiver decide they're going to go rogue here

471
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Speaker 2: with a game on the line in Seattle that you

472
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Speaker 2: know that was highlight so speak so a lot, right, yes, right, yes, yeah.

473
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Speaker 7: Like I would if I ever did that, right and

474
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Speaker 7: did it I played the few games that I did

475
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Speaker 7: with John Gruden, you would know before I got off

476
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Speaker 7: the sideline that I did something wrong and that he

477
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Speaker 7: would lay into me. I mean even I remember I

478
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Speaker 7: was on the phone with my dad. My dad was

479
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Speaker 7: at shock.

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Speaker 4: Right.

481
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Speaker 7: I can't even imagine doing that. If I did that

482
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Speaker 7: with ourselves, Oh my gosh, I don't know if I'd

483
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Speaker 7: been on the Giants the next day, right, So yeah,

484
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Speaker 7: that's certainly a disconnect between coach, quarterback, and maybe culture

485
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Speaker 7: all together.

486
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Speaker 5: There in Philadelphia last year, we're.

487
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Speaker 2: Talking to Chris Sims Pro Football Talk live co host

488
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Speaker 2: Football Night in America analyst as well. It's gotten to

489
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Speaker 2: the point where we look at these quarterbacks and we're like, yeah,

490
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Speaker 2: you should start. And it didn't used to be that way.

491
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Speaker 2: You needed one two maybe even three years before you

492
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Speaker 2: got in. Now it's c J Stroun kind of change things.

493
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say ruin things, but certainly change

494
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Speaker 2: the expectations for Caleb Williams and maybe Jayden Daniels this year.

495
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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

496
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Speaker 7: Well one, I'm one that's in favor of always playing

497
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Speaker 7: the guy right, as long as you feel like he's

498
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Speaker 7: somewhat physically and mentally ready to take it, take on

499
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Speaker 7: the challenge. To me, the game reps they can't be

500
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Speaker 7: emulated in practice no way, right, So that to me

501
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Speaker 7: is the most important thing.

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Speaker 5: Definitely. There are cases every.

503
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Speaker 7: Now and then, right Drake may would about being a

504
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Speaker 7: guy up in New England where I go. I don't

505
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Speaker 7: know if I feel that way. There's mechanical issues, there's

506
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Speaker 7: decision making issues him. Might do him some good to

507
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Speaker 7: sit on the bench for a year, work on some

508
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 7: of those things and see what the NFL game is

509
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Speaker 7: all about. But the rest of the crew, that's why

510
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Speaker 7: I love them so much. Coming out in the draft,

511
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Speaker 7: I thought they were about his NFL ready as I

512
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Speaker 7: had seen in a while. As far as a group

513
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Speaker 7: of quarterbacks and know how to play the quarterback position.

514
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Speaker 7: Jade and Daniels, Caleb Williams, we know no doubt they're

515
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Speaker 7: gonna start. It's the other two guys that I think

516
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Speaker 7: it's It's dicey, right, you get the bow Knicks. Hey,

517
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 7: there's some real talent and competition there. Jared Stidham's a

518
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 7: hell of a player. He's got starting quarterback caliber traits there, right,

519
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Speaker 7: But we know ultimately Sean Payton's gonna want to get

520
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 7: his guy. Bo Nix looks like he could be Drew

521
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Speaker 7: Brees junior, all right, So there's that situation. And then

522
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Speaker 7: who's the fourth I'm missing?

523
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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy.

524
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Speaker 7: That's another one, very similar Sam Darnold starting caliber talent, right,

525
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Speaker 7: I mean the forty nine ers were thoroughly impressed by

526
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Speaker 7: him last year, so he's capable of running that offense

527
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Speaker 7: up there and making it look good. But I still

528
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Speaker 7: think ultimately you're gonna see Kevin you know McCarthy somewhere

529
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Speaker 7: in the early part of the season, if not to

530
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Speaker 7: start the season.

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Speaker 5: When it's all said and done.

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Speaker 2: I had a pro personnel person tell me that the

533
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Speaker 2: Jets talent level is elite. I get that, their defense elite.

534
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot, a lot of great things

535
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Speaker 2: about the Jets, But why do I have this question

536
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: mark on how good they can be?

537
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

538
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Speaker 7: I think we got to see the old line, right,

539
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 7: You got to see it to believe it. I think

540
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 7: that's the first thing. We haven't seen a good old

541
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Speaker 7: line there in New York on either team and quite

542
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Speaker 7: some time. Is Aaron Rodgers still who he thinks he is?

543
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Speaker 5: Right? I have questions about that. His last year in

544
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: Green Bay was.

545
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 7: Not very good, right, I mean it is so, and

546
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 7: then that last year not playing at all either, and

547
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Speaker 7: then being the age he is and the injury he had.

548
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Speaker 7: I certainly questioned that to a degree. But everything else, Dan,

549
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 7: I mean, it's top notch there. I mean, we know

550
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Speaker 7: they got pretty good talented receiver, they got decent tight ends,

551
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Speaker 7: a stable of running backs, and the defense is as

552
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 7: talented as it gets in football at all three levels.

553
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Speaker 5: To me. The other part with the Jets, Dan is

554
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Speaker 5: is scheme. It is scheme.

555
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Speaker 7: You know they play that Seattle scheme on defense is

556
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 7: very good, but it doesn't necessarily create turnovers and win

557
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 7: games for them sometimes, like Cleveland Brown's defense did last year. Right,

558
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 7: they're multiple, they do crazy stuff. They had some games

559
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 7: their offense played like crap, but you went, oh my gosh,

560
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 7: the defense is gonna win the game by themselves, and

561
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Speaker 7: they did that. The Jets because they're so simple there.

562
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Speaker 7: I wish they were a little more creative. I think

563
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Speaker 7: they could get more out of the defense as far

564
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Speaker 7: as playmaking. And then, of course we know Nathaniel Hackett

565
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Speaker 7: and the offense is certainly a question mark two.

566
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Speaker 5: So I'm with you.

567
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Speaker 7: It's like big time talent, but I'd like to see

568
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Speaker 7: a little first before you know, we start pounding the

569
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Speaker 7: Super Bowl chant here.

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Speaker 2: When do you make your Super Bowl picks?

571
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Speaker 7: Probably late August, right like that, right before the that

572
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Speaker 7: week before the regular season.

573
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Speaker 5: But I've definitely been thinking about it lately.

574
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Speaker 2: I certainly have we brought this up on the show.

575
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Speaker 2: I did. Is Eli Manning going to be a first

576
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Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer?

577
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Speaker 5: Oh?

578
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 7: I don't think he is a first ballot Hall of

579
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 7: Famer type talent. I certainly think he's a Hall of Famer.

580
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 7: But to me, like I'm old school and that first

581
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 7: ballots are like guys where it's like they're in a

582
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 7: special Oh, Ray Lewis, so we don't have to think

583
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 7: about it. Lawrence Taylor, no doubt about it. John Elway,

584
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 7: what come on, get out of here.

585
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Speaker 5: You're in your own special room. Eli Manning, damn good,

586
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: We know that, right.

587
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 7: But there's a lot of other things on his resume

588
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 7: that I think you could sit there and go, well,

589
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 7: that's not first ballot Hall of Fame worthy?

590
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Speaker 2: Can you be objective? And with the following question who

591
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: had a better career Eli or your father?

592
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I.

593
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Speaker 7: Think Eli had a better career because he got to

594
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 7: play in that second Super Bowl would win it right

595
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 7: where my dad, of course was hurt in Week fourteen

596
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 7: and nineteen ninety and then they went on and won

597
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl with Jeff Hosteller. So I think that

598
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 7: kind of gives the edge to Eli Manning.

599
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, your dad was a better regular season quarterback.

600
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Speaker 5: I think my dad was a better talent and a

601
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Speaker 5: better player. I'll tell you that.

602
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Speaker 7: I don't know if his career was good, but I

603
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 7: think when you get into the talent and the player,

604
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 7: and maybe the talent he had around him. Offense, Like

605
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 7: most people my age can't name one receiver that played

606
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Speaker 7: for my dad, right, you go through the Eli Manning

607
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 7: Giants and you go, damn, it's one All Star after

608
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 7: another wide receiver. So there are some things there that's

609
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 7: good conversation. Eli's career is better. But I do think

610
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Speaker 7: Dad was a better player.

611
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Speaker 4: I do.

612
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Speaker 5: I'll say that.

613
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Speaker 2: But if David Tyree drops that ball, is Eli Manning

614
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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer?

615
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Speaker 5: Well, that's a good question. I don't know b.

616
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Speaker 7: Be right on the line, who would be? Well, he

617
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 7: certainly shouldn't have been the MVP of the Super Bowl.

618
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 7: I know that for sure. Somebody on that defense it

619
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Speaker 7: is the greatest offense we ever saw ever. Absolutely yes,

620
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Speaker 7: And you know seventeen to fourteen with Brady and Randy

621
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Speaker 7: Boss and Wes Welker and crew, that was incredible.

622
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Speaker 5: But we know Eli certainly had to clutch Gene. There's

623
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: no question in that.

624
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Speaker 2: Luke Keighley is up for the Hall of Fame. First

625
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: mant Hall of Famer.

626
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Speaker 7: I think he's Yeah, I do. I do now, because again,

627
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Speaker 7: Luke Keighley, how many years did we go through and

628
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 7: go well, the best linebacker in football is Luke Keigley. Oh,

629
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Speaker 7: the second best linebacker is Luke Keigley. That to me,

630
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 7: it like jumps out to you when when you go

631
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 7: through a period of time and there's no doubt you're

632
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 7: the one or two or three best at your position

633
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 7: for a consistent or consistent period of time. That to

634
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 7: me is when you start talking about first ballot Hall

635
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 7: of Famer.

636
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tricky, and I agree with you. There's certain

637
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: players that you say their name and you go all

638
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, right, And I don't know if that's

639
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 2: the litmus test for who is a first ballot Hall

640
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: of Famer. If I just say this name and you respond,

641
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: does that mean you're a first ballot Hall of Famer?

642
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 5: I think it usually is.

643
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, there might be a little nuance

644
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 7: every now and then, but I think the ones that

645
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 7: hit you in the face, and it goes back to

646
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 7: like the Dion Sanders right, like upper Room that he

647
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 7: talks about, I do agree with him. There there's a

648
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 7: hall of fame within the Hall of Fame. Reggie White,

649
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 7: Lawrence Taylor, Dion Sanders, Peyton Manning, right, Tom Brady was

650
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 7: in there. Right, they're in a little different class than

651
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 7: some of those other people I saw in the Hall

652
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: of Fame when I go there and walk the brown

653
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 7: and I.

654
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Speaker 2: Don't have any problem if we had a different shade

655
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: of gold jacket for first ballot Hall of Famer, Like

656
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: it should be gold.

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Speaker 7: It should be a goal literally have a little gold

658
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Speaker 7: in it, like the Notre Dame helmet or something.

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Speaker 5: You gotta suckle some gold down there. They get that

660
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Speaker 5: to be in the special room.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're a first ballot Hall of Famer,

662
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Speaker 2: you deserve to be singled out so then people realize

663
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Speaker 2: we're all Hall of famers. That guy's the first ballot

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: I would agree with that one hundred percent. I would yeah. Again.

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Speaker 7: You know there's certain players that just were above and

667
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Speaker 7: beyond right, and I think we've named a few of

668
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Speaker 7: them throughout time where yeah, I mean again, if you

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Speaker 7: hear stories about my dad playing the Eagles back in

670
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Speaker 7: the day, the first five meetings were like Reggie White,

671
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Speaker 7: Reggie White, how do we stop Reggie White? Reggie White,

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Speaker 7: that's first ballot Hall of Famer. And when I played

673
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Speaker 7: against Ray Lewis and the Baltimore Ravens. It was a

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Speaker 7: very similar conversation.

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Speaker 2: I always thought Ed Reid was more valuable than ray Lewis.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a good conversation. I mean again, there's another guy.

677
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Speaker 7: There's no doubt we're talking about right in his own room.

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Speaker 7: First ballot, Ed.

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Speaker 5: Was Ad and Troy Poulomalo.

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Speaker 7: During that time when you played quarterback work torture for

681
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Speaker 7: quarterback because you were like, wait, why are they here?

682
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Speaker 7: They should be doing this, what is he doing? Are

683
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 7: they telling him to do this? Or is he just freelancing?

684
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Speaker 5: Right?

685
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Speaker 7: So they had great instincts and they really knew offense

686
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Speaker 7: and what the offense was trying to do. Really really

687
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Speaker 7: special player.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Bud. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris.

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Speaker 5: All right, buddyd be good.

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Speaker 2: Say how to the guys, Chris says, high guys. Chris

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Speaker 2: Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to

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Speaker 2: Football Night in America. We'll come back. Charles Barkley is

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Speaker 2: staying at TNT. Surprise, We'll have that for you next.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and The iHeartRadio w APP.

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Speaker 2: We've had Charles Barkley on this show, maybe as much

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Speaker 2: as any other guest in our history. And I've known

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Speaker 2: Charles for over three decades and he's comfortable coming on,

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Speaker 2: and we've talked a lot about what they were doing

702
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Speaker 2: at TNT. Then all of a sudden, they're going to

703
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Speaker 2: lose the NBA. What's Charles going to do? Is he

704
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: going to go to ESPN, He's going to go to Amazon.

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Speaker 2: They're going to create their own show. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: that he would be staying at TNT unless they weren't

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Speaker 2: going to let him out of his contract, and he

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00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: did allude to that that they would have to let

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Speaker 2: him out of his contract to be able to go

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Speaker 2: to these other networks and be part of their NBA

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Speaker 2: covered since TNT won't have the NBA after next season.

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Speaker 2: And when I saw the report yesterday that Charles is

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Speaker 2: staying at TNT and they're going to use him in

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Speaker 2: a variety of roles here, almost like Snoop Dogg is

715
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Speaker 2: being used at the Olympics. He over here in equestrian Hey,

716
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: he's here with Basco, He's here with gymnastics, and maybe

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00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Charles with hockey. With March Madness, baseball postseason, there's going

718
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Speaker 2: to be a variety of things that Charles will be

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Speaker 2: involved in their golf coverage. But I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you're going to get twenty million dollars out of Charles

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Speaker 2: the way you did before with March Madness and certainly

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Speaker 2: the NBA on TNT, and I think he said that

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Speaker 2: he signed a ten year, two hundred million dollar deal

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. But I thought if they

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Speaker 2: lose the NBA, I guess I thought there would be

726
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: language in there if you don't have the NBA that

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Speaker 2: he would be free to go. But he did talk

728
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Speaker 2: about when he came on maybe the last time of

729
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: the time before that TNT would have to let him

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Speaker 2: out of his contract, and I thought, well, what are

731
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Speaker 2: they going to use him for? Well, apparently they're going

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Speaker 2: to try to put him in a variety of positions here,

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Speaker 2: variety of roles with a variety of sports and try

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Speaker 2: to market it that way, which I understand. And then

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Speaker 2: Charles said, hey, I'm going to retire. I don't think

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Speaker 2: anybody thought he was going to retire. I tried to

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Speaker 2: be respectful when he said it, because it's like Okay,

738
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe he downsizes a little bit here, doesn't it

739
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Speaker 2: do as many things? But I just thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: you want to talk about a twenty five thirty million

741
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Speaker 2: dollar a year guy. Look at I mean, CBS is

742
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: paying Tony Romo eighteen million. Well, TNT's paying Charles twenty million.

743
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Speaker 2: Who's getting their money's worth out of that? TNT certainly did.

744
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Speaker 2: But we got to see Charles a lot more than

745
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: we do Tony Romo because he'll be on eighteen games

746
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Speaker 2: and then a couple of playoff games. You know, every couple

747
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: of years he's there at the super Bowl. But I

748
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: just wonder what Amazon would have ponied up for Charles

749
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Speaker 2: Barkley or ESPN. I mean, if ESPN's paying you know,

750
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Speaker 2: McAfee a certain amount or steven A, what are you

751
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: going to pay Charles Barkley? You're going to have to

752
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: pay something commensurate to that. But I was I was

753
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: surprised that Charles unless he can't get out of his contracts.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I thought, and I did reach out

755
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: to a former TV executive yesterday and he said, look,

756
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Speaker 2: I'm not privy to language in his contract, but CNT

757
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: may just say, look, we want you like you're valuable

758
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: to us. There's nobody like you in TV right now.

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00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: Let's use you for all the entities that we have.

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Speaker 4: I go.

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Speaker 2: I guess that makes the most sense because if you're Charles,

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Speaker 2: you're identifiable with basketball. People know you with basketball. You

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Speaker 2: know basketball. But now you're going to be going to

764
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Speaker 2: hockey games, or you're going to boat baseball postseason. You're

765
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Speaker 2: already going to do March Madness. But I wondered about that,

766
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Speaker 2: and what do you get out of that with Charles

767
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Speaker 2: other than the oh, Charles is there. Now it takes

768
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Speaker 2: on a little more importance, but fewer events for him

769
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Speaker 2: to be involved in, so that's good for his schedule.

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Speaker 2: I was just surprised that Charles didn't want to still

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Speaker 2: be involved with basketball.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, can TNT still do a basketball wrap

774
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Speaker 2: up show? I mean I would, I'm sure they've explored that,

775
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: But can you say NBA wrap up show? You think

776
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: they could put it all together and still do that?

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Speaker 3: Or a nightly sports show that's hooked around the sports

778
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Speaker 3: of the evening and Charles is the lynchpin of whatever

779
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Speaker 3: show it is.

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Speaker 2: But if I have Shaq in there and Kenny and Ernie.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you could get you could do something

782
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Speaker 2: on a nightly basis. Now, I don't know, if you're

783
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Speaker 2: the NBA and they don't have the rights to that,

784
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Speaker 2: do you want to give them that opportunity to still

785
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Speaker 2: promote your product? Are they gonna let them use video?

786
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Speaker 2: So it kind of tricky.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think it's gonna be trickier too to get

788
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Speaker 6: people to tune change the channel from the game over

789
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Speaker 6: to them to watch and they go back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think like in theory it sounds great, but in

792
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 6: actually sitting on your couch, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be tricky to do. Plus,

794
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: what time would you air it? It's going to be

795
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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock every night you have to wait to all

796
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Speaker 2: the games are over type thing. So I don't know.

797
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: Maybe there's nothing there. But I wondered, could T and

798
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Speaker 2: T give you a give you that show? But they

799
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: they sell it to Amazon, they market to Amazon and

800
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: then they get paid for I don't know, having those

801
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: guys still together. Yeah, Paulie, I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder if you could do like a second screen show

803
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Speaker 3: on digital only where Charles and whomever are just chopping

804
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Speaker 3: up a game that's bringing broadcast live kind of like

805
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: a Manning cast, but without the game rights, and you're

806
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: just like a hangout around the basketball game where you

807
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: could choose to click on it with your phone or

808
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: with your tablet or whatever.

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Speaker 4: It may be.

810
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Speaker 2: A wait where you don't need the game rights to

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Speaker 2: the game video. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know

812
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: the legalities and logistics of that, but it just seems

813
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: like a wasted opportunity that you can't still utilize them

814
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Speaker 2: with the NBA. But Charles staying there, I think he's

815
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Speaker 2: got what seven years left on that contract. Uh, we'll

816
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: get Charles on, We'll ask him the questions. See how

817
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Speaker 2: close he got to maybe leaving? Could he leave? Did

818
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Speaker 2: they not let him out of his contract? He's always

819
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: been too honest with us. He gets in trouble, he'd

820
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: be like, boy, why do you ask me them questions?

821
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Speaker 2: I go cause I have to ask you those you need.

822
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Speaker 2: You need to have those questions answered. Yes, Paul, you

823
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: know what happens is the first time you asked Charles.

824
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Speaker 2: You know I can't talk about that. Yeah, you know,

825
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I can't. You know, I

826
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Speaker 2: can't talk about that man. Our bosses are it's here.

827
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Speaker 2: Uh okay, A bunch of nerves, yeah, a bunch of knuckleheads,

828
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Speaker 2: all right, Final Hour on the Way. He is the

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Speaker 2: sculptor for the Hall of Fame. Bust got some stories

830
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Speaker 2: to tell. Well, uh chat with him coming up. His

831
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Speaker 2: name is Blair Bustwell, first thing I got to ask

832
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Speaker 2: him is why not put a T in Bustwell, so

833
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: it's Bust. Well that's what you do for a living.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Blair findal Hour on the Way Dan Patrick Show.