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Speaker 2: This is Gavin Newsom and.

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Speaker 1: This is Brian Tyler Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Brian's great. Great, you're joining us, Thanks for having me,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming all the way up to Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was not the longest trip.

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Speaker 2: You're a Hollywood guy, right, you missed La. Yeah, people

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Speaker 2: How did that? Well, you know what was it that forgettable? Yes?

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Speaker 2: In fact, it was seriously when you got out of college,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can redeem themselves advertising on my podcast now.

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Speaker 2: But not only not even feeding the soul. You got

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Speaker 1: Calciahout out to my buddy Stephen Emmel.

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Speaker 2: Those guys are And when's that thing coming out? Shortly?

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Speaker 2: of Representatives, it was supposed to But you're arguing, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you you look at Ted. You want to convince

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Speaker 1: us that it's a cooling saucer. That's the Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 1: that that's that's your that's your level headed.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's the question.

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Speaker 2: That we're going to then move on to no, no untouchables,

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Speaker 2: because here's everyone's saying, well, why the hell have they

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Speaker 2: got talking about the courts? So you open up, you

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Speaker 2: talk about blank checks and balance as well said, and

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Speaker 2: then this notion of the untouchables, and it has been

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Speaker 2: the untouchables. It's the cording you. I've had this conversation.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of mixed on this. I'm open argument,

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Speaker 2: I really am on this not an ideologue, but I

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Speaker 2: have instinctual concerns about reforming the court in terms of

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Speaker 2: its size. Good people argue differently. You do as well,

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Speaker 2: but you we agree on term limits, we agree on

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Speaker 2: ethic and code of conduct reforms. You lay them out

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Speaker 2: in here, you lay out the why. From Alito to Kavanaugh.

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Speaker 2: The shadow docket we can get to obviously, what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Yeah, well, who's the other one, Alito? And

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Speaker 2: you know the insurrections. I mean, jeesus, what the hell's

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Speaker 2: going on with court? So let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: So my my argument here is that we need court expansion.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense not just from a moral perspective, which

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Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a moment, but also there

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Speaker 1: is historical precedent for it. The number of Federal Court

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Speaker 1: circuits have always been have always been commensurate with the

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Speaker 1: number of Supreme Court seats. We've had six in the past,

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Speaker 1: I think in eighteen thirty seven that's raised to nine.

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Speaker 1: But now we have thirteen Federal Court circuits, and we

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Speaker 1: still have nine Supreme Court justices. But from so that's

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Speaker 1: the historical argument for this, it would make it would

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Speaker 1: make sense. It's also not in the Constitution that we

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Speaker 1: should have nine. It's also, you know, not so sacricanc

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Speaker 1: that Republicans haven't changed that number in modern times. Again,

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Speaker 1: they kept the Court at eight seats because they wanted

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Speaker 1: to keep Merrick Garland off the court. That was almost

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Speaker 1: a year. So we have very recent precedent for Republicans

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Speaker 1: changing the composition of the court to suit them politically. Now,

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Speaker 1: imagine we're fortunate enough to have a democratic president, democratic House,

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Speaker 1: democratic Senate, Senate. We we get some legislation passed, which

477
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Speaker 1: already onto itself is a herculean task. Now we have

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Speaker 1: this rogue branch of government, which is you know not

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Speaker 1: look you look at Samuel Ledo and Clarence Thomas. These

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Speaker 1: are not uh, these are not you know uh uh

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Speaker 1: these these you know, a political uh neutral arbiters of

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Speaker 1: the law. This is Jim Jordan in a suit right

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Speaker 1: in a robe. I should say yeah with a jacket

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Speaker 1: off with yeah, we're in something, I assume.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that would be a help of a thing

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Speaker 2: to see.

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Speaker 1: So, so, you know, with the composition of the court

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Speaker 1: as it stands right now, they have a permanent veto

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Speaker 1: over any and all legislation, uh that Democrats could put forward.

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Speaker 1: And so we do all of this work and yet

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Speaker 1: opt to leave in place, just by virtue of our

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Speaker 1: respect for norms and precedent, a six' to three conservative

493
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Speaker 1: court that can and absolutely will strike down anything that

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Speaker 1: doesn't comport with their political. IDEOLOGY i, mean this is

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Speaker 1: a court that has just struck down the voting the

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Speaker 1: entirety of The Voting Rights. Act this is a court that,

497
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Speaker 1: will in deference to their, party create provisions of The

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Speaker 1: constitution out of whole, cloth like this idea that the

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Speaker 1: president can act with impunity as it relates to criminal,

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Speaker 1: prosecution that will ignore the plain texts of The, constitution

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Speaker 1: like section three the Fourteenth amendment that prevents someone from

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Speaker 1: running for federal office again if they've engaged in or

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Speaker 1: given aid or comfort to those who've engaged. Insurrection Donald

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Speaker 1: trump did. That that's not just me saying. It it

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Speaker 1: is The Colorado Supreme, court for. Example and so they

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Speaker 1: make it up as they. Go and so while we're

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Speaker 1: making this whole argument about not just sitting on our

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Speaker 1: laurel and hoping that you, know just by virtue of

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Speaker 1: the the the arc of the moral universe bending toward,

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Speaker 1: justice you, know through osmosis or whatever it, is that

511
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Speaker 1: is just gonna. Happen, Good, like the the the arc

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Speaker 1: of the of the moral universe doesn't just bend toward,

513
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Speaker 1: justice you have to push. It and SO i think

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Speaker 1: this is a perfect exam example of where you push.

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Speaker 1: It leaving intact this court just out of out of

516
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Speaker 1: deference to to stasis or the status, quo gives them

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Speaker 1: a permission structure to strike down anything that you that

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Speaker 1: all of these people have worked to get by showing

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Speaker 1: up and Voting democrats into. Office and and you, know

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Speaker 1: you campaign on climate change and healthcare and adjust economy

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Speaker 1: and and everything that gets people out of, bed everything

522
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Speaker 1: that makes people believe in. Politics but you know that

523
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Speaker 1: you're just leaving intact voluntarily a veto for the other

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Speaker 1: side with people who you know are not, neutral arbiter

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Speaker 1: of the, law people Like Samuel ledo And Clarence. Thomas

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Speaker 1: and so if we're if we're adhering to this vision

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Speaker 1: of recognizing that we have one shot here to really

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Speaker 1: deliver for people Like republicans fumbled the. Ball they they

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four was an incredible reversal of not just

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Speaker 1: not just political, alignments but but. CULTURE i, mean WHEN i,

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Speaker 1: like WHEN i was in, college you regardless of, geography

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Speaker 1: regardless of socioeconomic, status you were For. Obama if you

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Speaker 1: were a young person, like it would be, impossible it

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Speaker 1: would be social. Suicide if you're, like, ah, No i'm

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Speaker 1: A i'm A i'm A john McCain, Guy i'm A GEORGE.

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Speaker 1: W bush.

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Speaker 2: Guy, yeah, Yeah and we're not in the cool.

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Speaker 1: Club, No and to Watch democrats have fumbled it to

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Speaker 1: the point where it actually became more, like became, cooler

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Speaker 1: became more culturally. Beneficial to be A republican is a

541
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Speaker 1: is a coup for, them and for them to fumble

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Speaker 1: the ball like they're doing right, now we have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity that we shouldn't frankly. Have if they weren't so fucking,

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Speaker 1: incompetent they wouldn't have given us this. Opportunity but we

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Speaker 1: have this moment right. Here it's a, brief a brief

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Speaker 1: moment that we can take advantage. Of and if we

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Speaker 1: use that moment by thinking that we can garner all

548
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Speaker 1: this all this support and get like our one last,

549
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Speaker 1: shot only to put it in the hands of A

550
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Speaker 1: Supreme court that we know is going to strike anything

551
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Speaker 1: and everything, down then we are not actually committed to

552
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Speaker 1: the outcomes that we claim to be committed.

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Speaker 2: To so you, talking so you're talking about expanding to

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Speaker 2: thirteen and and it's. INTERESTING i mean it. Is it

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Speaker 2: is a great historical and people forget and last time

556
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Speaker 2: it was done again was Under. Lincoln there's no constitutional

557
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Speaker 2: constraints on.

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Speaker 1: THIS i would argue last time it was, done it

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Speaker 1: was done UNDER i love.

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Speaker 2: THEM i love The Merrick ireland.

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Speaker 1: Point that's an interesting And Supreme court went down from

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Speaker 1: nine to eight for a. Year they changed the number of.

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Speaker 2: Jobs they did not score around and so nor can.

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Speaker 2: We now let's get to the other two component. Parts

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Speaker 2: code Of, conduct which is all this stuff With thomas

566
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Speaker 2: is off the.

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Speaker 1: Charge so we go.

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Speaker 2: There DID i?

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Speaker 1: DID? I i need to know IF i convinced You

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Speaker 1: before we get to The code Of, Conduct.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to conclude with Because i'm Gonna i'm going

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Speaker 2: to then fill in a conditional we're going to. Create

573
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: we're adding more ingredients to the overall reform. Here so

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Speaker 2: you're called for code of conduct that just seems to

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Speaker 2: be a no damn, brainer right, Yeah god of, Ethic,

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Speaker 2: absolutely more, transparency et, cetera that there's no term limits

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Speaker 2: eight years you called. For others have said eighteen hy.

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Speaker 1: EIGHT i think you, know, Look i'm open To i'm.

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Speaker 1: Open oh, interesting, now you're open. Argument you, KNOW i

580
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Speaker 1: think it's.

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Speaker 2: Nice more, LIKE i think we can.

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Speaker 1: Both it's a give and take. HERE i, think you,

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Speaker 1: know just with the way that that these presidential administrations,

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Speaker 1: WORK i think it's it's it takes a lot of the,

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Speaker 1: uh you, know the the eventfulness Of Supreme court retirements

586
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Speaker 1: out of the equation if they're done with more, frequency.

587
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Speaker 2: And you expect one or two retirements in the next days,

588
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Speaker 2: weeks even before the publication of your.

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Speaker 1: Book you, KNOW i am holding my breath every day

590
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Speaker 1: that we don't have the announcement of one of These

591
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Speaker 1: Supreme court justices stepping. Down it's not even something THAT

592
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Speaker 1: i often want to talk about BECAUSE i don't even

593
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Speaker 1: want to put it in the. Zeitgeist we, can we

594
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Speaker 1: can keep it in for the for the, pod but

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Speaker 1: like but, like you, know, LOOK i, AM i am

596
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Speaker 1: holding my. Breath we have god Willing democrats take control

597
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Speaker 1: of The senate in twenty twenty, six and then it's

598
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Speaker 1: not something that we have to worry, about, unless of,

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Speaker 1: course there.

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Speaker 2: Is some a sap and they go unless.

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Speaker 1: Unless correct and frankly they could AND i would BE

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Speaker 1: i would BE i would be surprised if they. Didn't

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Speaker 1: but but we'll see how how committed you, know how

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Speaker 1: committed they are to trying to do that, again like

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Speaker 1: they have a majority and so and So i'm hoping

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Speaker 1: and praying that it doesn't. Happen but that's again another

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Speaker 1: that should be another impetus to take serious, reforms because

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Speaker 1: otherwise we're looking at A Supreme court that is not

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Speaker 1: just six y three but six' three where we have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of four year. Old justices so here's.

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Speaker 2: My prediction you will be on this book tour and

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Speaker 2: this will be the most focused part of. Your, conversation yeah,

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Speaker 2: with folks.

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Speaker 1: This, Chapter no I've been i've been asked what is

615
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Speaker 1: the first thing that the left needs to do when

616
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Speaker 1: it takes? Power AGAIN and i have said the first

617
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Speaker 1: thing that needs to happen is court reform and.

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Speaker 2: Court, expansion, yeah look you're getting me closer to your point.

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Speaker 2: Of view and you. CHALLENGED me i know we. WERE

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Speaker 2: talking i was on your pod DOWN in la a few.

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Speaker 2: Months ago and this notion of thirteen and then just

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Speaker 2: looking at the, district courts is that framework sort of

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Speaker 2: anchor the, old school the ember of a traditional, YOU know,

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Speaker 2: i mean look.

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Speaker 1: For a guy who recognized the urgency of the Moment with. Prop,

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Speaker 1: fifty yeah and, in fact the only democratics state to

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Speaker 1: have successfully redrawn its maps ahead of twenty. Twenty six

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Speaker 1: that that IS what i think is the. Natural evolution i'm.

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Speaker 2: With you i'm done. Winning arguments we gotta, we gotta we,

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Speaker 2: gotta win and we got to. Consolidate power, and again

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Speaker 2: this book is. About power the, subheadline again HOW to

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Speaker 2: i mean this is it? Wheeled power, without it it's. All,

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Speaker 2: BULLSHIT yeah i mean it's academic bullshit and. It's frustrating

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Speaker 2: it's becoming more and. More FRUSTRATING but i want to.

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Speaker 2: Go back you talked about the long arc in the.

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Speaker 2: Moral universe it's interesting that there's a beautiful arch at

637
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Speaker 2: sculpturing sculpture At The. Obama center and the history of

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Speaker 2: that quote Is Not Martin luther. King quote it goes

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Speaker 2: back well before and it's actually even more spectacular the

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Speaker 2: context of the. Original quote but it's all predicated in

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Speaker 2: this notion we the people that we, have agency that

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Speaker 2: we're not, by standards we're not just, you know future

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Speaker 2: is not just something, to experience it's something. To manifest

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Speaker 2: and you write again in The Book the Importance of Power,

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Speaker 2: of citizenship this notion that we have the ability along

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Speaker 2: the lines, of jerrymandering to fix that once and, for

647
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Speaker 2: all which is nationalized, independent redistricting, voting rights. Et cetera

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Speaker 2: talk to me more about what, you know what your

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Speaker 2: your what your investment of time and energy in this.

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Speaker 2: CHAPTER represented, i.

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00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Mean that is the basis. OF democracy, i think EVEN

652
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Speaker 1: as i Advocate for prop fifty Here, in CALIFORNIA as

653
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: i advocate for It, in Virginia and i'm sure that

654
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: they'll get it done as we head toward twenty, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Eight but more the Courts, in, Virginia.

656
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: Right but, MORE broadly, i mean as we look for

657
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: it to be done in, you Know In new Jersey, And, Colorado, Illinois, Oregon,

658
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: washington maryland so that we can counteract. WHAT'S happening i,

659
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: will concede it's a race to. The bottom What what

660
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: i'm saying, more, broadly though is that we can't be

661
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: in a position to. Unilaterally disarm but recognizing that it

662
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: is a scourge, on democracy we do need to. FIX this,

663
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: i mean we need we, need proper proper districts and

664
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: real representations so that also we don't have the most

665
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: extreme candidates running in these races because they're so fixed

666
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: depending on whether it's a red state or a. Blue

667
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: STATE and i think that we're losing large swaths, of

668
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: people and that's bad. For democracy you don't create a

669
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: healthy democracy by by having, YOU know r plus seventy

670
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: two DISTRICTS or d plus, you know sixty five districts

671
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: where there's such a vast gap between the left and,

672
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: the right where, where yes the extremes, do proliferate and

673
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: you lose so many people in the middle and they

674
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: lose faith. In government and it's that vacuum of civic

675
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: participation where demagogues. Can thrive and we're seeing the fruits

676
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: of that. RIGHT now, i mean this is this is what.

677
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: It looks this is what what governance looks like when

678
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: when a demogogue has. Taken control so EVEN as i

679
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: recognize or EVEN as i advocate for aggressive action to

680
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Counteract what republicans are, doing doing And as i'm proud

681
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: to sit in a state the only state that's gotten,

682
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: IT done i do think that that national reforms are.

683
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Desperately NEEDED what i won't abide is is ONLY once

684
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: i doing It and we've already seen that. THAT'S happened,

685
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean California And new york are these. Democratic weapons

686
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: we have, redistricting commissions independent redistriting commissions. In, Both meanwhile

687
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: Texas and florida are gerrymandering maps on top of previously,

688
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: jerrymandered maps so we can't do. That anymore but but,

689
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: BUT yeah i do think that these national voting rights reforms.

690
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: Are needed we need election day to be. A holiday

691
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: we need fair maps so that people can can choose

692
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: their their elected officials that best, represent them and so

693
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: that the one party or another cannot scientifically engineer majorities In.

694
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: The house AND and, i think, YOU know i think

695
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: once we are in a position Where The supreme court

696
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: isn't a veto on anything and Everything the democrats, put

697
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: forward we need something Like the Freedom To vote act

698
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: or A New Voting. RIGHTS act, I mean hr one

699
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: was the most important piece of legislation that came about

700
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: In the. Biden era but and it's and and the

701
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: fact that we didn't get it PASSED is i think

702
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: a blight on on. The, party frankly even though it was,

703
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: you know It was Christen kirston Cinema And joe manchin

704
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: who REFUSED to uh to eliminate, The filibuster and now

705
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: look at the bit like the notion that you can

706
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: make the argument that we are in better shape because

707
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: this because the filibuster. Was, preserved uh looking at the

708
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: state of our democracy, right NOW is i think the

709
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: best argument for eliminating the filibuster. Moving forward you cannot

710
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: in good faith make the argument that we are in

711
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: better shape right now because the filibuster is intact and

712
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: we don't have hr one.

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: Their point we also then don't have a bill that

714
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: claims to be A voter, id bill which is really a,

715
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: registration bill which is a picture choose. YOUR vote, i

716
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: mean so how do you how do you? Square?

717
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: THAT again, i mean you're never gonna it's never gonna,

718
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: be perfect and and you cannot refuse to wield power

719
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: for fear of the other side abusing it when we're

720
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: in a position where they're already. Abusing it, so yes

721
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: do You do you take? A, Risk absolutely but with

722
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: with that risk. Comes REWARD and i think we're in

723
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: a position where we need where we need to take

724
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: some action because, you know times up like we're we're

725
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: we're we're, losing democracy and we are we are not heading.

726
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Toward autocracy we are we. Are there we have a.

727
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Kleptocratic government we are we are in a post. Law

728
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: society so long as You're, a republican or so long

729
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: as you Donate to trump's campaign or have your mother

730
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Donate To. DONALD trump i mean that was one OF

731
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Speaker 1: the i think the one of one of one of the.

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Speaker 1: Pardon recipients his mom onto a fundraiser At Mar. A

733
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Speaker 1: lago so so, like again, we cannot we cannot refuse

734
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: to wield power for fear of abuse in a society

735
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: where abuse.

736
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Speaker 2: Is rampant imperial presidency not. A king next, Chapter, here

737
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Speaker 2: yeah this notion of you KNOW just, i mean here's my,

738
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: biggest fear You think i'm right or Wrong when. Trump

739
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: leaves and we go back to this notion, of accountability

740
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to the accountability components of.

741
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: Your argument this, imperial president Who The supreme court back

742
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: To The supreme court is, basically sanctioned has no liability

743
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: whatsoever fracts that he's conducted as President Of united states

744
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: when No Oversight. Supine congress we've established that in the

745
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: blank check and balances that you, write, about effectively he's

746
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: going to pardon everyone. AROUND him, i mean don't you? Think,

747
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: THAT yeah i mean literally everyone. Around him and they know.

748
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: That today that's why they're complicit in, the grift in.

749
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: The, graft yeah and.

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Speaker 2: The BULLSHIT am i? Overstating?

751
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: THAT no i think that that Is a i'm, actually

752
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: shocked frankly that he didn't try to pardon himself after his.

753
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: FIRST term i have no doubt that he'll pardon all

754
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: the people. Around him, look thin.

755
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: How do you advance accountability in? That, construct well you.

756
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Go to court and you and you try to prove

757
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: and you try to prove that they were corruptly. Given

758
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: pardons but, you fight you make. An effort, you gotta.

759
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: YOU gotta, i mean the last thing that we can

760
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: do is just accept this as, a fade a complete

761
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: because because you know that that's just how, it is

762
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: and so and so we're gonna lay down. OUR arms,

763
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: i mean this deference to preventing the optics of politicization

764
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Was What MERRICK garlands. Doj was and you cannot look

765
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: At how trump is comporting himself, right now how he's behaving,

766
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: right now and Think That merrick garland was acting properly or,

767
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: or that or that he succeeded in his effort to.

768
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Depoliticize government we are in the most, politicized government, And

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00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: frankly trump said he was the victim of weaponized. Government

770
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: anyway and so you have somebody who refused to wield

771
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: WIELD the doj Virtuously Against. Donald trump he got no

772
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: credit for doing So because trump claimed that he was

773
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: the victim of a webinar's. Government anyway and you left

774
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: him in a position where you embolden him because. WHY not,

775
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: i mean there's it's not like the, you know it's

776
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: not Like THE biden doj was going to do anything.

777
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: About it and so that's how you that's how you

778
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: encourage corruption by telling these criminals that they can get away.

779
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: With It and trump is somebody who if you do

780
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: not hold, him accountable the only message he receives from

781
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: THAT is i can. KEEP going i can do it

782
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: more and more. And more and we're living through that.

783
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: RIGHT now, i mean we see these these stock trades

784
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: that happened five minutes before he makes some, major announcement

785
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: that happens on a. Daily basis, we see, you Know

786
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: The don junior getting six hundred and twenty million dollar

787
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: loans From The defense department for a company that he

788
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: invested in five. MINUTES earlier, i mean it is just oozing.

789
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: With corruption and they wouldn't do this if there were

790
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: some consequences for, their behavior but they know that, there

791
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: weren't and so you almost can't. Blame him but we

792
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: can't be in a world where so long as you're,

793
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: a politician you can get away with it for fear of.

794
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: Looking politicized that's the most. POLITICIZED outcome i think you

795
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine giving a politician a get out of

796
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: jail free car just because he's. A politician i can't

797
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: think of a MORE POLITICIZED dj.

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00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: I was we were With under biden just a. WEEK

799
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Speaker 2: ago i don't need to remind You nor hunter that

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00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: it was his FATHER'S own doj that indicted him, his,

801
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: SON right, i mean there's, YOUR weaponization, i, guess Yeah And.

802
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Bob menendez and granted it's not like it's Not Like

803
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: bob menendez didn't didn't, deserve it but the standard is not.

804
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: APPLIED equally, i mean, you know you have A democratic

805
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: doj that is rightfully virtuously prosecuting democratic officials when they.

806
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Deserve it you have a republic and doj it's not

807
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: only refusing, to prosecute but giving get out of jail

808
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: free cards and pardons to criminals so long as they

809
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: have an urn next to, their name.

810
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: And selectively prosecuting people will cract one for. Another time

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Speaker 2: Con in ecano ME and i. Love this you talk

812
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: about the, confidence track which. IS interesting i love the

813
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: way you describe that this notion of trade and tariffs

814
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: somehow building a sense of false confidence that he's got,

815
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Your Back, donald trump but that this economic Agenda Of donald,

816
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: trump's self evidently it's been a. Complete, debacle yeah, we

817
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: have we.

818
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: Have seen the GREATEST con i think of this administration

819
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: is the extent to which he presented himself as this

820
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: economic populist only for the moment he got, into office

821
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: wielded every lever of government to benefit. Himself financially and and,

822
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: you know granted he'll he'll offer up some crumbs to

823
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: the plebes, out here, but this this administration works for one,

824
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: very specific very narrow class, of people and it and

825
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: It is trump's own family and h and his donors

826
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: who are the principal beneficiaries of That. AND uh i

827
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: think that that is again the biggest tragedy of what,

828
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: we've seen because there. Are people, you know if anybody

829
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: recognizes the pain that people are contending with in this country,

830
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: right now it is the guy who exploited. That pain

831
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: on the, CAMPAIGN trail, I mean trump talked, about, about

832
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: uh you may not know this. Word groceries it's an old.

833
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: Fashioned word, we can we can look.

834
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Speaker 2: It up some people are using that. Word, now, yeah yeah,

835
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Speaker 2: it's coming.

836
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: It's coming it's having a resurger.

837
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Speaker 2: Coming.

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00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Back yeah he talked about like the price of, An

839
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Speaker 1: egg like that's how granular this guy got as if

840
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: he as if he's ever been into, A supermarket like

841
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: he talked about the price of. An egg and AND now,

842
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: i mean like you know we have we Have Like marie,

843
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: antoinette here he's Encrusting the oval office in gold building

844
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: himself an arch gave Gifted himself katari jet retrofitted to

845
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: the tune of a billion dollars paid for. By us.

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00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: Thank you reminding people it's not just a four hundred

847
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Million dollar katari jet was over nine hundred almost nine

848
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: and fifty million Dollars the. Pentagon budget yeh to retrofit

849
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: it that's going to, his foundation which means it's a

850
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: personal Gift To.

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00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: Donald trump we have the repaving Of The. Rose garden

852
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: we have the ballroom that's being built that was supposed

853
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: to be. Independently financed, now taxpayers, of course are on

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: the hook, for it just like they taxpayers weren't supposed

855
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: to pay for the wall until they. Were, so so,

856
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: you know this whole thing has been a, financial windfall

857
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that he's made four billion

858
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: dollars in just the first year and a half year

859
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: of his of his. SECOND term i don't know how

860
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Many other americans can say that they're four billion dollars Richer. Since,

861
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Speaker 1: usk yeah that's that's that's that's good part of this, whole, Thing, correct, yeah,

862
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Speaker 1: dismantling dismantling, you know using doge to dismantle all of

863
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: the cops on the beat that would have regulated his,

864
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: own businesses and then and low, and behold he's a.

865
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Speaker 1: T BILLIONAIRE so i think the biggest con that we

866
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: have seen thus far, as him as him wielding this

867
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: idea of economic populism when he had no intention of

868
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: ever delivering. For PEOPLE and i Think that that's something

869
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: we have to be very careful with because because now

870
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: you're going to leave a lot of people disillusioned in.

871
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: His wake And if democrats again are fortunate enough to

872
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: take power in the aftermath of, this administration they will

873
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: have been Disillusioned by Trump. And republicans they will be

874
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: willing to give one last shot to a democratic party

875
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: that can either deliver. Or not and if, they don't

876
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: then people are going to. Give up people are going

877
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: to give up on government ever being able. To deliver

878
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: they're going to give up. ON democracy, i mean talk

879
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: about the conditions for demagoguery. To thrive so that's why

880
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: we're in such a, precarious moment and we will be

881
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: in a precarious MOMENT because i don't think that these

882
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: moments come around often where you can either, you know

883
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: should to get off. The pot and they're already at

884
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: their wits end after seeing an administration that swore up

885
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: and down it would deliver for the, little guy only

886
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: to completely bowl. Them over if they look At the

887
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: democrats and they can't do what, they're saying no one's

888
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: going to have faith that government, can work are.

889
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: You of, you know there's there's sort of the, brand

890
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: nostalgia which Trump make america? Great again cryptid Again From.

891
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: Ronald reagan so he sold nostalgia sort of pre nineteen,

892
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: sixties world and you write about that some folks are selling.

893
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: Democratic socialism some folks continue to sell the, status quo

894
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: but just do. It, better yeah that somehow we, can not,

895
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: you know fail, more efficiently or maybe we can't fail.

896
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: MORE efficiently, i mean what is your sort of brand

897
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: of renewal when you talk about sort of having a resurgent,

898
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: democratic party what does that brand look like or is

899
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: it even? Do? You do you just dis these. False,

900
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: LABELS yeah.

901
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: I think more toward. The, Latter look i'm not a.

902
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: Democratic socialist i'm not. AN institutionalist i am a PRAGMATIC

903
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: progressive i guess would be. The label, BUT like i

904
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: don't really care about. THE label i just, think, THAT

905
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: like i have disdain for a lot of the self

906
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: imposed guardrails that we've placed. ON ourselves i have some

907
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: IDEAS that i think are. UBER progressive, I mean i am,

908
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: YOU know i want to see medicare. FOR all i

909
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: think it's insane that we are the only industrialized country

910
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: in the world that doesn't have healthcare for all of.

911
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: ITS citizens i Lived in france for. TWO years i

912
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be able to get sick

913
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: and go to. THE doctor i also know what it's like,

914
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: for them. YOU know i was teaching at a high

915
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: school and then a college and the people in charge

916
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: of the programs have Dealt with, americans before and they

917
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: had to come in when we first Arrived in france,

918
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: and say if you, get sick it's okay to go

919
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: to the doctor or, the Hospital because americans wouldn't go

920
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: because we, would, say like, you know if you, get

921
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: sick like you just suck, it up, you know you

922
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: just bandage it, back together slap slap some medicine, on

923
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: it and like keep going because. You don't we have

924
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: this mentality, that, like okay we don't want to. Bankrupt

925
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: ourselves and, they're like you can go to, the hospital

926
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: you can go to. The doctor, It's okay like. It's included,

927
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: you know we live in. A country we're like it's

928
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: a it's a where, you know it's it's this is

929
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: a this is, the future, you know and so so

930
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: so so, you know there's that There's a i'm an

931
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: advocate For the Green. NEW deal i think you want

932
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: to talk About existential we have climate change bearing down. On,

933
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: us uh that's that's a bigger problem that we're contending

934
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: with than. ANYTHING else i love that you.

935
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: Included that i'm going to get to that in a

936
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: moment because it's you, Know THAT and i can assure

937
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: you just from all the political people, out there you

938
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 2: don't need to talk about. That anymore it doesn't pull.

939
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: Very well people don't want to talk about. Climate change

940
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: the fact you wrote, ABOUT it i think is. INCREDIBLY

941
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: important i want to get. To that but THIS notion i,

942
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: keep referring, and we YOU and i have talked, about

943
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: democracy our republic twound and, fiftieth anniversary this notion of

944
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: the rule of law being replaced by the role of

945
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: don the blank checks, and balances the supine congress aspects in,

946
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: your book and we, certainly aligned and the desperate need for,

947
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: real reforms particularly in the court And in congress. As

948
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: well but this issue of democratized back To the khan

949
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: and the economy for decades, and decades it hasn't been

950
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: working for work, In folks and you reference that. Forty

951
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: percent i've seen even higher stats than that of people

952
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: can't afford four hundred dollars. Emergency bill but people running,

953
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: in place thirty year old is not doing better than

954
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: their family first time in any the history of. This

955
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: country that's blinking five. Alarm fire and we haven't substantly. Addressed,

956
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: that democrats, with respect we have to recognize we cannot

957
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: continue to do what we've done and expect a. Different

958
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: result so democratizing the economy seems to me the same

959
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: fight as saving. Our democracy yet there's almost an argument

960
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: that they're, Two, different like let's stop talking, about Resistance

961
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: Which mark ellias in your opening suggests he doesn't even

962
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: like the, word anyway which, is INTERESTING which i, appreciate

963
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: it and focus more. On renewal but where are you

964
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: just this notion of democratizing the economy, more radically thinking

965
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: about obviously seven dollars twenty five cent minimum wage in,

966
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: twenty stix. That's, insanity yeah that that, still, persistent exists,

967
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 2: tax codes debates out here on, wealth taxes, death taxes state,

968
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: of taxes stepped, up basis where are you in all?

969
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: THAT thinking, i mean how should we, be thinking democrats about,

970
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: tax policy about modernizing this economy to make it work for.

971
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: MORE folks, i, mean look you look at when this

972
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: country was, most prosperous we had sky high top marginal.

973
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: Tax rates you look at, you know it's the great

974
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Irony of trump using The Make America great again slogan

975
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: is like when you think about the era that he

976
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: wants to harken, back to it's an era of like

977
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: what the fifties and, you know, Nineteen fifties like what

978
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: was the top marginal tax rate in, nineteen, Fifty right

979
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: and so you know that's that's like this notion that

980
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: we need to be heaping tax cuts onto corporations that

981
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: are making record profits and gutting the highest marginal tax

982
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: rates and starving us of federal tax revenue so that

983
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: we can gut all of the programs that people rely on.

984
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: To survive this is not A healthier america than we've

985
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: had in. The PAST and i think it's directly correlated

986
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: to the fact that that we are not that we're

987
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: not offering services to our. OWN people, i mean this isn't,

988
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you know this isn't. Rocket science you look at the

989
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: happiest countries in, the world and those are countries that

990
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: adequately tax their citizens and have but but also have

991
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: programs that, actually work not just taxing their citizens so

992
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: that they can dump that money into the glut of

993
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: the of the the you know federal uh reserves that

994
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: that that won't work for its, own people or just

995
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: keep more money into the military industrial complex or or.

996
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Whatever projects, You know Trump is Trump and republicans are

997
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: engaged in right now that don't actually help. Regular people

998
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: so it's an it's in all of the, above APPROACH

999
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: but i think. IT starts, i, Mean look california is

1000
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: a good example of a progressive. TAX structure i know

1001
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: that you've spoken at LENGTH including i think you did

1002
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: a great job in your in your debate Against Both

1003
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: ron DeSantis And sean Hannity On, fox news where you

1004
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: know you you uh explain to them what a progressive

1005
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: tax structure is and how it's different from what they

1006
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: have In in Texas, and florida the.

1007
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: Most regressive to tax States. In america the tax their

1008
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: low wage are workers more than we tax are high.

1009
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Wage workers so again the simple question who is the high?

1010
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: Tax state who are you For this Medicare? FOR all

1011
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: i want to go back TO because i think it's,

1012
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: so important it's inevitable from, my perspective it's just the

1013
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: economics econ it just. Doesn't WORK it's, i mean as

1014
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: a private, Sector guy i've got a bunch of. PRIVATE employees,

1015
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: i mean as, a business it's.

1016
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: Not.

1017
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: Working obviously you look at the cost growth in government

1018
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: And that medicaid debates We're having medicare and the outcomes

1019
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 2: agent and the outcomes so dumb as we want. To

1020
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: be the, challenge is and this is the challenge just

1021
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: purely one of pragmatic. Political reality and you're back to

1022
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: being a, pragmatic PROGRESSIVE which i like. As well that

1023
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: frame the hell do you do it without taking something

1024
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: away that people have come to enjoy, for generations and

1025
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: that's their private. Health.

1026
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Insurance, YEAH look i think maybe you have a you

1027
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: have a, transition PERIOD but i think half of the

1028
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: battle is. Selling IT and i think that you have

1029
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: to be ready to pounce because you Have a republican

1030
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: party that has every tool of their disposal to be

1031
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: able to frame something as in any WAY they i

1032
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: mean they They, framed obamacare which is one of the

1033
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: most popular pieces, of life so Popular that republicans with

1034
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: full control of government and zero respect for any institutions

1035
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: still Can't make obamacare. Go away, you know they've tried

1036
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: what seventy seven times To overturn obamacare to.

1037
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: Repeal her but in a week, Or so trump's coming

1038
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: out with a, new, plan, right well that, next week,

1039
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: two weeks two Weeks.

1040
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Two, EXCUSE me i don't want to.

1041
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: BE unfair i want to correct THAT because i don't

1042
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: want to end up on, your list which we'll get

1043
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: to at the end of.

1044
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: Our PODCAST so i think that you have to be

1045
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: ready to sell. This thing, BUT look i think at,

1046
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: its core people recognize in a WAY that i don't

1047
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: think they did back in twenty ten the failures of our,

1048
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: healthcare system especially with the advent of. Social media there are,

1049
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: just endless literally endless examples of this healthcare System, failing

1050
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: americans and the the amount that, we pay the outcomes that,

1051
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: we get the broken the brokenness of and the scale

1052
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: the predatory nature of health. INSURANCE companies, i mean all

1053
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: of it is so well KNOWN that i think that

1054
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: we're in a, moment where different from from, twenty ten

1055
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: there is not this nostalgia or this blind deference to the,

1056
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: Status quo and so will there, be, pushback absolutely but

1057
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: in very much the same Way that medicare is likely

1058
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: the most popular social program In The, United states obamacare

1059
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: one of the. Most popular so like these programs where

1060
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: there are reforms to make health care. More accessible if past,

1061
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: this prologue we have a lot to learn from from

1062
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: moving in. That direction, BUT again, I think i think

1063
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: you have an entire generation of people for whom adequate

1064
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: health care is so out of reach that we need

1065
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: a radical change in. That arena, You, know look this

1066
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: is life, or, death LITERALLY and i think people are

1067
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: ready for it in a way that they weren't in.

1068
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: The past i'm curious. YOUR vantage, i mean, you know

1069
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: you were around in, twenty ten you what do, you

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Speaker 1: think what do you think today looks like Versus when

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Speaker 1: obamacare first came on to.

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Speaker 2: The, SCENE well i think it, more broadly, this is

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Speaker 2: to my this is, the thirties this is. THE sixties,

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Speaker 2: i mean this is about order of. MAGNITUDE change i

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Speaker 2: think we're in sort of tectonic plates of, you know,

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Speaker 2: something profound and this is at the core. Of that,

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Speaker 2: And look i'm. A practitioner everything my burden has Been

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Speaker 2: that i've been accountable to the consequences of our policy

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Speaker 2: decisions and accountable THEN when i wake up the next

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Speaker 2: day to, the voters And so i'm in the. How

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Speaker 2: business it's so different than a. Think, TAKE yeah i

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Speaker 2: love everybody out There in Congress that i've never had an,

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Speaker 2: executive Role that i've never had, the pen the paper and.

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Speaker 2: Accountable Ultimate but i've also done more in healthcare than

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Speaker 2: any governor In The united states, history period, full stop not,

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Speaker 2: even close regardless of pre, existing condition ability, to pay

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Speaker 2: regardless of, immigration status getting pummeled on, the, right yeah

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Speaker 2: from for healthcare for those, without DOCUMENTATION and i delivered

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Speaker 2: THAT when i, was mayor not just As. GOVERNOR california i,

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Speaker 2: promoted It and. I'M consistent i lived up to. My

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Speaker 2: words imperfect as the. System is we also have done

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Speaker 2: a lot in the single pair of financing framework with

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Speaker 2: eleven dollars insign not subsidizing cost but, lowering costs doing

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Speaker 2: a lot to address cost escalation with A new office

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Speaker 2: Of Health care affordability and, numeric goals and more transparence in, this.

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Speaker 2: SPACE etc i don't want to belabor, the point, but

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Speaker 2: AGAIN when i think of the tectonic Plate on medicare

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Speaker 2: of law and how that how you actually implement something of,

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Speaker 2: That consequence i'm back into the political pragmatism of it

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Speaker 2: and how you can, sell it and that goes and,

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Speaker 2: Forgive me i'm answering your question by challenging you and

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: getting back on track on the point you make about

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: how you sell it and how it's communicated in a

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Speaker 2: World Of, brendan CARS, of cc in a world where

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Speaker 2: the news has been brought to You by kellogg's palenteer, and, yeah,

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Speaker 2: YEAH no i remember the, old days, you know the

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Speaker 2: news brought to you by, you know, you know defense.

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Speaker 2: Industries incorporated this consolidation of, the news and how the

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Speaker 2: hell do you sell in a world. Of clips you're,

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Speaker 2: an expert this is, your expertise but not just in

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Speaker 2: a world. Of clicks it's the algorithms and who decides

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Speaker 2: which clicks click and the concentration in, that space concentration

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Speaker 2: where you SAW the, Tena, deal sinclair why are we

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Speaker 2: talking about that more six point two. Billion Dollars brendan

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Speaker 2: carr made an exemption thirty nine percent cap that is

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Speaker 2: the statute for household cannot have more than thirty nine

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Speaker 2: percent concentration of news, local programming and he decided to

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Speaker 2: waive that to provide eighty percent for a Merger. Between

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Speaker 2: sinclair those are the People that I'M sorry i did not,

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Speaker 2: bring you But took kimmel off. The, air Yeah. And

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Speaker 2: tenga and we're not talking. ABOUT that i know we're

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Speaker 2: TALKING About, CBS, paramount cnn but what's, happening underneath to

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Speaker 2: me seems even. More insidious so let's talk about. The

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Speaker 2: news you've been out on, the forefront challenging that, status

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Speaker 2: quo building your Three Podcasts no Lie With, brian collins

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest, and best had massive success. YOU brought,

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Speaker 2: i mean you get how the hell you've had all

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Speaker 2: these presidents on Your Dam so biden came on. FIRST YouTube,

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Speaker 2: i Mean so i'm talking to the. Right guy you wrote.

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Speaker 2: About it let's talk. About communication let's talk about. The

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Speaker 2: news give me.

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Speaker 1: Your, OVERVIEW yeah, i, mean look we are in a

1133
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: precarious moment, right NOW but i do think that having

1134
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: some investment in left of center media is going to,

1135
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: be essential especially with the consolidation that, we're seeing to

1136
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: deliver on all to deliver on all, of this especially

1137
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: with the consolidation that we're seeing, right now we have

1138
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: every we have every card stacked. Against us because not

1139
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: only is does the not only has the right invested so, much, time,

1140
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Speaker 1: energy resources and money in their, openly republican openly, CONSERVATIVE

1141
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: media i mean openly proad propaganda. ALIGNED media i mean

1142
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: they have, You Know, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Megan Kelly,

1143
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, Tucker, Carlson, Oaan Newsmax. Fox news these are

1144
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: avowed republican right, wing outlets and the antidote to that

1145
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: for so long is quote unquote liberal media that so

1146
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: often takes their cues from. THE right, i mean how

1147
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: many cover stories do we Have about hillary's emails and

1148
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: the lead up to the twenty. Sixteen ELECTION so i,

1149
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: think that, you know there has been this complacency on

1150
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: the left where, We're, like okay well you, know what

1151
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: we deal, in facts and so we don't need to

1152
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: we don't need to have any investment in independent media

1153
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: because WE'VE, got cnn WE'VE, got abc WE'VE. Got cbs

1154
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: and now we're seeing that those news outlets are only

1155
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: as durable as the leadership decides that. They are they're

1156
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: only as fair and neutral as the leadership decides that.

1157
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: They are and now with the leadership obviously looking the way,

1158
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: it does suddenly, you know the veil has, been lifted

1159
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: AND so i think we need. TO yet, i mean

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about the, right investing, you know decades

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: in advance of what the left catches. Up on we

1162
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: need to, invest quickly as quickly as humanly possible in

1163
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: left of center media and progressive media. Avowedly so and so,

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01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: YOU know i think that that THAT'S what i try.

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: TO do, i mean, people ask, you know they see

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: a young guy who's interested, in politics so like when

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01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna run, For office, I'm like. I'm not this is,

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Speaker 1: the space like the, MEDIA space i think is in

1169
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: some ways more important because that's how you inform people

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01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: of what's. Going ON and i think there's people who are,

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: much smarter, more competent more adept at me at, doing

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: legislation and that's great and that's what they should. Be

1173
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: doing but if, you can't if you can't let people

1174
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: know what's, going on if you can't sell this stuff,

1175
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: to people if you can't message to people in a

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01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: way that makes, politics accessible then you're not going to

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01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: have any buy in from the. General population AND so

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: i think that this is the most important frontier. In

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: politics It's why i've dedicated my life to the to

1180
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: this space and the independent. Media space it's why, YOU

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: know i take. NO vacations i work three hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five days. A year i'm a blast, to date

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Speaker 1: just ask. My GIRLFRIEND but i think THIS is i

1184
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: think this space is the most important space right now

1185
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of what twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty eight look.

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01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: LIKE you, i mean you were. Not critical you were

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: right to observe the frustrations During the. BIDEN years i

1189
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: mean when you had these landmark, legislative victories four hundred.

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Speaker 2: Bipartisan bills you had, ALL these i mean remarkable successes

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: On The infrastructure bill and officiatives and, science acts and

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: the work you did WITH the ira and the environment

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01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: and his next level in terms of performing on the,

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: legislative front but not on the. Communication front no one

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Speaker 2: Connected any you would ask them what? Does it What did?

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Speaker 2: Biden do they'd be hard pressed remember a. Damn thing

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Speaker 2: and that was just a few. Years.

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Speaker 1: AGO totally, i mean if a tree falls in, the,

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Speaker 1: woods right AND so, i think but Is it.

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Speaker 2: Biden's fault or is it? OUR fault, I mean trump

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Speaker 2: is tryumphed twenty four to seven on these, grievance networks

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Speaker 2: and they come in in. THEIR hardware, i, watch look

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Speaker 2: you Got The daily wire goes To The. California Post

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Speaker 2: california post goes To The New. York Post New york

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Speaker 2: post goes to, you Know. The Five the five goes

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Speaker 2: to the lineup of the primetime, news hosts all three

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Speaker 2: of light to the over goes Right Fucking, oval office

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: and then We get Fox and Friends and now and,

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Speaker 2: you know and then you've got, This Guy, chris ruffo

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Speaker 2: one of the great you know greats In The, manhattan

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Speaker 2: institute and they write all, these things and it's just

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Speaker 2: sort of. Circular ecosystem the sewer that has a presidential

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Speaker 2: seal uh and gold leaf now train no swamp. With respect,

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Speaker 2: YOU know i don't see that, on msman you're you're.

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Speaker 2: A contribute i don't see THAT on, MS right i

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Speaker 2: don't see im sure as hell don't see IT. On

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Speaker 2: cnn THERE is i don't see. It anywhere there is no.

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure left so how do you compete?

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Speaker 2: With?

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Speaker 1: That man you, build it and you build, it quickly

1221
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: and you make sure that there is buy in from,

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: you know the the elected officials at the top to

1223
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: recognize what the immediate environment looks like. RIGHT now, i mean,

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Speaker 1: you know you're a you're a, sitting governor and we're

1225
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: we're doing independent media. RIGHT now i mean that that.

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Speaker 2: Situational way wait, a second that deserves.

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Speaker 1: SOME credit i don't think that this kind of thing

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Speaker 1: would happen to, years ago three. Years AGO so i

1229
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: think it's important to stand up, this infrastructure recognize the

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: media environment that we're. Operating in but but, YOU'RE right,

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 1: i mean like these conspiracy theories on the right start

1232
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: from like what is it? Zero hedge? Is, that yeah

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Speaker 1: like one of these.

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Speaker 2: CONSPIRACY websites I wish i had MY phone i can go.

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Speaker 2: THROUGH that i have like a tracked ten. Of, these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah unbelievable SO so, i, mean look and you can

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01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: do it in a, virtuous way but you need the.

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: Infrastructure THERE and i think our and this is not

1239
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: to knock, legacy media because they're doing, their jobs but

1240
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: it is TO knock i think the elected officials who

1241
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: for so long have have refused to lend credence or

1242
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: validate a lot of the other media outlets in this

1243
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: ecosystem that would allow us, to compete, you know even

1244
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: even during, the campaign during the twenty twenty. Four campaign

1245
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: and this is not To Knock. Kamala harris i'm sure

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01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: that she didn't know what was going, on BUT like

1247
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: i had tried to have her sit down on my on,

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01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: my show and, you know granted it was one hundred

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: and seven, days sprint but but to have her try

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01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: to come on, my show and there wasn't a lot

1251
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: of a lot of focus on, independent media and that

1252
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: was a moment where you've got one hundred and, Seven

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01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: days you've got a lot Of and i'm not even

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01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: saying this, For myself you've got a lot of independent

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: media outlets who are looking for validation and could have

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: given her stamp of approval to a lot Of people.

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Speaker 1: Trump did trump made a lot of people diamond. And

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Speaker 1: silk you think you think diamond and prilk are you

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Speaker 1: are gonna are gonna be anybody if they Didn't. Have

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Speaker 1: trump but you create these people bye bye bye by,

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Speaker 1: hugging them by giving them your stamp of approval so

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: that they can then go about doing the work newly

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: minted thanks. To you the other three hundred and sixty

1264
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: four days, a year and that investment in independent media

1265
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: is so difficult to get because democrats rely on legacy.

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01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: Media outlets because, FOR us i think we see that

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: and there, they deal and they deal solely, in fact

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: they have. Journalistic ethics and that's not to say that

1269
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: independent media can't and shouldn't have both of, those things

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: because because. We should but we have to recognize the

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: media environment that we're operating in and to validate some

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01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: of these independent media outlets and these content creators so

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01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: that they can go ahead and do. The work and

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: these are people who have, a perspective like a. Progressive

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01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: perspective this is not, YOU know i don't operate in

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: the SAME way. Cnn DOES LIKE i i can come out,

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Speaker 1: AND say i want to see medicare, FOR all i

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Speaker 1: want to see an effort to combat. CLIMATE change i want,

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Speaker 1: to see, you know a more just economy and a

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: more progressive tax structure and whatever it. May be but

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01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: like we, need that we need that so that we

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Speaker 1: can so that we can use that to talk to.

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Speaker 1: Broader AUDIENCES and i think that that has been missing for.

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Speaker 2: So long and is it been missing or are we?

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01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: MISSING something I mean I was. I did we won't.

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Speaker 2: Remember it twenty people that. Watched me maybe My First

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: gavin newsom show Was ON. CURRENT tv i broke a

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: hell of a lot, of news by, the way that

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Speaker 2: was back THEN when i Was the google glasses elon Musk,

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: FIRST drive i drove in the studio with Him And

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: damn u brand new. That tesla that was all Kinds

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Speaker 2: of but but we didn't. Break through we didn't build.

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Speaker 2: An audience ultimately Purchased By. Al jazeera gore. Did fine

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Speaker 2: uh uh. AND uh i was There With jennifer grant

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: home and she had a show right, after me and

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: she was our. Marquee star she had a. Great show

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: but it was we didn't. Break through there's, been efforts

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: fits and starts in. The past what is it about

1299
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 2: the sort of progressive democratic given, the pragmatic, Pragmatic frame

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01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: why Aren't we are we we, lack humor we? Lack

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: hubris are we? Less entertaining what's what's been the? BRAND problem,

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: i mean why the hell are we just we already

1303
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 2: have it because WE, have msnbc we HAVE A cnn a.

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01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: FEW things i think in large part it's that it's

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01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: that there just was never any there was never any

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: feeling that we needed to invest in any of this

1307
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: stuff in a, real way because we've always. Had it

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: we've Always, felt.

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: Colbert We, have stuart but.

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: ALSO good i do think that democrats have a problem

1311
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: on the, cultural front or had a problem on the,

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01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: cultural front and so, and so, You know republicans did something.

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: Really smart they found they found people who might agree

1314
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: with them on, one issue and they were willing to

1315
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: bring them into. The tent and so if if they

1316
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: were if you, had comedians if you, had podcasters if

1317
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: you had health and wellness people that agreed with them,

1318
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: on anything they're willing to welcome you in and they'll.

1319
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: Amplify you and, they'll, say OH look i had this

1320
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: like write coded POSITION and i espoused it online and

1321
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: look at all the positive REINFORCE horseman. I got and

1322
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe Next time i'll do it Again and i'll get

1323
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: that positive. Reinforcement again and then you fall into the

1324
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: right wing. Rabbit HOLE and i Think that democrats in

1325
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: large part impose a lot of, purity tests and so if,

1326
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: you don't if you don't check, every box then we

1327
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: cast you out of. The tent and so eventually you're

1328
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: going to get to a point where. Cut too it's

1329
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty Four and republicans cobble together a coalition as

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01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: ideologically imperfect though it, may be though, it was it

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01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: was big enough to win. An ELECTION and i think

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01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 1: that that's something that we've lost in our politics is

1333
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: an understanding that at the end of, the day what

1334
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: politics is is. Coalition Building and obama is a master,

1335
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: at that at cobbling together coalitions and recognizing that it.

1336
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: Involves compromise and you're never going to find somebody. Who's

1337
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: perfect and that's okay because politics isn't about. DELIVERING you,

1338
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: i mean, you know, the saying there's this saying it's,

1339
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: cliche point but it's not about delivering you right to

1340
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: your to write to your. Front door it's about getting

1341
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: the getting on the bus and going to the stop

1342
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: closest to where you want. To go and and we

1343
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: are not in, a position having Lost, the House, the

1344
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: senate And The white house and the, popular vote to

1345
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: be imposing any. Purity tests we have to be in

1346
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: the business of building coalitions and and, uh joining, you

1347
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: know creating alliances with people who may not be perfect

1348
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: clones of what we want to see, in politics but

1349
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: but are. Imperfect bedfellows because that's the only way we.

1350
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: Move forward, and UH and i think we lost a

1351
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: little bit. Of that and so, you know it's difficult

1352
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: in this media environment because, you know, you uh misplaced

1353
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: a modifier somewhere and a lot of people jump down.

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Speaker 2: Your THROAT so i mean to with, MY point i

1355
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 2: mean to the prior point about, you know clickbait and

1356
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: virality and no context and, you know around the world

1357
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: in two days and then the context no one gave

1358
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: a damn about because the're on the next. Goddamn thing

1359
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: this we hardly Have the it doesn't seem like the

1360
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: parties lacks judgment or is moving backwards on the. Judgment

1361
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: chart it seems like we're, YOU know, I mean i'm.

1362
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 2: With you i'm, for addition. Not subtraction i'm just doing.

1363
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: Some math we could talk about getting rid of the,

1364
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 2: electoral college which, you do and you know We're on

1365
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 2: california is formally on record, on that, actually popular it

1366
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: has been. For years and actually that's that's a subject

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: for another day because there's actually, some, real shocking real

1368
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: momentum in that space that that needs to be. Illuminate anymore,

1369
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: but look we're seeing this play out right now as

1370
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: we speak primary Day In, New, York right Mundomie. Versus

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: jeffreys that's the frame that. Everybody's using and the left

1372
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: is enjoying that frame more than even. The right i've Been.

1373
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: Watching fox they're interested in That, everything mundomie they're. Interested

1374
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: In but I'M. An ms every twelve seconds there's, a Conversation.

1375
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: It's jeffries so we're we're playing right.

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: Into, that, Totally totally and, AND look i think my

1377
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: job in DOING what i do is just to to

1378
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: hit that point over and over and, over again that

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: that it is about. Coalition BUILDING and, i get especially

1380
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: when we're in, primary season that people are gonna that

1381
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: emotions are gonna, run hot and and, That's OKAY and i.

1382
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: Mean we you the element of the room is obviously

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: anything to Do. With, Israel, correct? YEAH correct i mean

1384
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: and how every back, to, noun, pronoun, adjective context just

1385
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: the trigger words and then, just yeah, that's yeah that. You're,

1386
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: Disqualified yeah i'm not interested in anything else you have.

1387
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 2: To SAY but i think if they.

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: DISAGREE with i think as we get past primaries and

1389
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: uh and tensions simmer a, little bit then the hard

1390
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: work becomes building that that coalition that but that. Is,

1391
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: that look that's that's roll up your sleeves and just

1392
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: do the hard work every day of explaining that process

1393
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: to people for whom it might not be. Into it

1394
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: IT'S what i try. To do it's look that THAT'S

1395
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: what i view my job. As, being Again if i'm

1396
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: if my north star is that politics is about putting,

1397
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: together COALITIONS then i GOTTA then i gotta walk, the

1398
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: Walk right and SO when i do, my SHOWS when

1399
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: i talk, to PEOPLE when i uh host, my, podcast

1400
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: like that's the MESSAGE that i have. To convey AND if,

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: i can, you know convince or persuade a few people

1402
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: each day and make them less likely, to go you

1403
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: know nuclear if if somebody isn't one hundred percent, ideologically

1404
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: ALIGNED then i Feel like i've done. MY job i.

1405
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: Love that it was so, you know so it's so

1406
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: resonant this issue and was it wasn't. Even stated it

1407
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: was a subtext Of The Obama. Presidential library just being

1408
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 2: there and feeling that and walking around the museum itself

1409
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: and sort of knitting together that understanding that coalition and

1410
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: the coalition building that is so much part of his

1411
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: narrative and so much part of his presidency as well

1412
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: and his OWN frustration i think with, everybody SAYING well

1413
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: i didn't, do good it didn't, do enough and that

1414
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 2: metaphor you use around the bus stop and just getting

1415
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: a little. Bit closer and SO that's i think it's

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: a good way to in because it's how, we began

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: because It's that that's that's, the contrast right is you

1418
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: know how much are we going to lean to just

1419
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: blow up this? Whole thing sort of again the. Lazy

1420
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: punniture we Need A, bernie sanders WE, need aoc we

1421
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: need a, You know rose trying to be in that

1422
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,919
Speaker 2: Lane versus god help us with these corporate democrats because whatever,

1423
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: that is that's the lazy punnitary for, everybody else and

1424
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: there's just. Status quoianities they're not going to blow. The

1425
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: box SO where, i mean how does you know knitting all,

1426
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: that together figuring, that out being pragmatic so we can

1427
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: win back to ruthless in terms of pursuit, of POWER

1428
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: which i think YOU and i both agree in not just. Winning,

1429
01:15:51,960 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: arguments yeah having a, candle light visual holding. Hands, wonderful

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: yeah he fucking has no chance. OF winning, I look

1431
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: i think that that.

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: Is uh, you know THAT'S that's i think the person

1433
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: who is going to uh as we look toward like

1434
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: who the next leader of the party is going to

1435
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: be and what the party looks like, moving forward there

1436
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: is going to be, a, need uh, you know to

1437
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: find somebody who can who can cobble together that coalition

1438
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: and actually be able. TO deliver, i, Mean, Look, OBAMA

1439
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: obama i think is instructive because even THOUGH the aca

1440
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: wasn't what he wanted AND initially i mean he wanted

1441
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: single payer health care and.

1442
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 2: Then and then just, public option, public.

1443
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: Op, public options he expended a ton of political capital

1444
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: in getting. It DONE and i think that that could

1445
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: be really instructive for what needs to be done. RIGHT now,

1446
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: i mean he did it to his own detriment and

1447
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: to democrats, own detriment and now look at the extent

1448
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: to which it's. Paid off but that was a. Different

1449
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: world that was a much more status quo. Friendly, world

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah and obama is the most popular Politician in america

1451
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: and he's ten years out of office and he's still

1452
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: the most popular Politician. In america and you can make

1453
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,440
Speaker 1: the Argument That joe biden had a more legislatively accomplished

1454
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: Presidency than. Obama did ships, and sciences the infrastructure build.

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: In just four, years, certainly, Yeah.

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: Correct and and and yet the Fact that obama was

1457
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 1: able to expend so much political capital to do something

1458
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: that was virtuous and and you know outside of the

1459
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: realm of of, you know that that that would have

1460
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: that would that would be. Legacy creating look at how that's.

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01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: PAID off, i mean, you know we've spoken a lot

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01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 1: throughout this conversation About about. Prop fifty you can see

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01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: how your approval rating went up in the aftermath, of

1464
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: that and and the conversation around, you know you running

1465
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: for president happened as the result. Of that and SO

1466
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: what I what i don't understand is how people don't

1467
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: see cause. AND effect, i mean like you Look AT obama's,

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01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: i mean And granted obama is is a master at

1469
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: so many things and so and so back, to, communication

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01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: correct there is nobody. Like him BUT but i think,

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01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: you know his willingness to take big swings and to

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 1: try to bolster his legacy and to do something different

1473
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: as opposed to just being like satisfied with some, you

1474
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: know small. Incremental steps you look, at that and that

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: should be instructive for the next Generation of democrats, to

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01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 1: say what kind of a LEADER do i want? To

1477
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: BE do i want to expend political capital so that

1478
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: we can tinker around? The edges OR do i want

1479
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: to expend political capital SO that i can be remembered for,

1480
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: doing something doing? Something transformational and ON that i want

1481
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: to tie up the book because YOU know i was

1482
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: joking about you refer To The Green new deal and.

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: How loaded that, term is green. New scam i'm new Scum,

1484
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: to trump but the green new scam talk, about transformation this.

1485
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: ENERGY transformation i think Issues of. DEBTON entitlement i think

1486
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: the tectonic plates will define a debate for the next

1487
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: five ten years will be Issues around, debton entitlement which

1488
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: we don't talk. Enough about issues that related to demographics in. That,

1489
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,879
Speaker 2: respect obviously, for me the issue of energy and, climate

1490
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: change thank you for including it, in here AND then

1491
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 2: ai and democracy in the relationship to democratizing our economy

1492
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: so we can. Save democracy that being sort of a

1493
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: three legged stool of consciousness for me THE way i

1494
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: frame a lot. Of issues so this issue of energy and,

1495
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 2: climate change climate change is something so foreboding people are

1496
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 2: not talking. About it they're not writing. About it you wrote,

1497
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: about IT and i appreciate you writing about it because

1498
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: there's no. Democratic thermometers There's no. Republican Thermometer they we're

1499
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: getting mugged by reality every. Goddamn day it's an insuran.

1500
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: Surance crisis it's a housing Crisis. Directly canada it's a

1501
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 2: financial crisis because it's becoming uninsurable to. Build, homes yeah let.

1502
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: Alone, insure RIGHT if i get kicked off my Insurance

1503
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: state Farm, IN california i won't be able to, Get,

1504
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: reinsured yes by. State farm they if you are not

1505
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: already benefiting from insurance that was, grandfathered in you're Not

1506
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: getting and you.

1507
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 2: Think it's, bad here Go, To florida go To The,

1508
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: gulf states A, little louisiana even go Up. TO montana

1509
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: i was Up. In montana THAT was i didn't realize

1510
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 2: what a crisis was even.

1511
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: Up, There Look I'M i'm i got involved in politics

1512
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: because of. Climate change that's my number, one issue which

1513
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: is which is, YOU know i guess uncommon TODAY and

1514
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: i Understand like i'm In a i'm fortunate enough to

1515
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: be in a position where healthcare is not my number

1516
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: one Issue because i'm contending with with some, you Know

1517
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: Because i'm i'm immuno compromised and need access to health

1518
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: CARE that i. CAN'T get i recognize HOW fortunate i

1519
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: am so that climate change can be my number. One

1520
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: issue but that is what drew me to politics and.

1521
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: THE notion, i mean you talk about tinkering around, the

1522
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: edges like we're having thousand year storms six times a

1523
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: year at, this point and so what are? We doing?

1524
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: You know like the THING that i think is so

1525
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: ironic is a lot Of, these republicans especially These like,

1526
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: christian nationalists talk about the preservation of like of of

1527
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: their heritage and the. White race so you want to

1528
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: talk about preservation like we we like the planet's on fire.

1529
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: Right now that is that is the issue that you Should.

1530
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Should lifestyles places brought off, the, Map, Memories, Yeah, greenville

1531
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:40,480
Speaker 2: california and You Know, Grizzly, Flats. Paradise, CALIFORNIA yeah i, mean, places.

1532
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: Lifestyles traditions thank you for using, that language because it's.

1533
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: Exactly right it's about, our tradition it's about, our heritage

1534
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: it's about. Our history and then if you have a

1535
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: creator bone, in you and if you believe in, the

1536
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: spirit and you believe in something bigger. THAN yourselves, i

1537
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: mean talk about what we've been endowed that connects us

1538
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: to ten.

1539
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: Thousand, GENERATIONS yeah i, also think like, you know for

1540
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: obviously a major issue that has that had a huge

1541
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: impact in twenty, twenty, Fours immigration you think that that

1542
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: issue is not going to be exacerbated by. Climate change

1543
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: you think it's bad in twenty, Twenty four wait and

1544
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: see what it looks like in twenty, Twenty eight wait

1545
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: and see what it looks like in twenty. Thirty TWO

1546
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: so i mean we are like, YOU know i know

1547
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: That that i'm advocating against tinkering around. The edges there

1548
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: is no issue where tinkering out around the edges has

1549
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: more consequences than when you're dealing with climate change OR

1550
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: or i, should say not dealing with. Climate change and

1551
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: then it is this blind deference to, YOU know i

1552
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: would watch like don't, look up and it's the perfect

1553
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: allegory to what. We're doing, SO again, i mean just

1554
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: monetizing our demise is what we're is what. WE'RE doing,

1555
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: i mean like by heaping more attack subsidies and entrenching

1556
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: our reliance on fossil fuels at a time where at

1557
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: a time where we need to we need to have

1558
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: transition to renewable. Energy yesterday we need to have transition

1559
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: renewable energy a.

1560
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Decade, ago abundant, less costly doesn't have to go through

1561
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: the strait of. Her moves the sun does not raise. In,

1562
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: price yeah we can capture, the wind we can store.

1563
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: The sun and batteries are the, game changer large.

1564
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: SCALE batteries, i, mean like you want to talk about

1565
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: a generation, Of leaders we somewhere out there we have

1566
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: the next democratic slate of, democratic LEADERS because i know

1567
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: it's not going To be republicans who are willing to,

1568
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: do this but we have a slate of democratic leaders

1569
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: who are going to save. The WORLD and i don't

1570
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: even mean. That, hyperbolically like right now we're trending in the,

1571
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: wrong direction and someone's going to step in and take

1572
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: a big swing and do what needs to be done

1573
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: and not worry about what it looks like to focus

1574
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: group this stuff before. IT happens i, love.

1575
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: That, man yeah. Thank you and that's THE point, I

1576
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: mean I guess. I'M reiterating i was sort. Of triggered

1577
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: i've been triggered by the lack of consciousness, and focus

1578
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 2: at least their conversation and focus in my party on this.

1579
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Fundamental issue, and meanwhile, this guy this son up, A

1580
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: bit trump is now literally subsidized with, your money, my

1581
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: money you're collectively. Our money these companies that had deals

1582
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: on wind programs that now are getting paid to back

1583
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: out of those contracts and double down on stupid, on,

1584
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: dirtier cleaner, less efficient effective technology that has literally geopolitically

1585
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: put us in this Quagmire. In, iran, YEAH those, i

1586
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: mean the idea that we'd ever do business with those

1587
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,879
Speaker 2: companies ever again is beyond me. As well, but anyway

1588
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 2: forgive me the issues. As well geopolitical security in the

1589
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 2: Context of china kicking, our ass dominating the electric, vehicle

1590
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 2: place dominating the, supply chains it's. State craft either're flooding

1591
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: this all around. The globe all of.

1592
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: The solar companies are top solar Companies or chinese all

1593
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: of the.

1594
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: Renewable, Energy now biden was making progress, On this it

1595
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: was moving the needle, on this and this guy Is

1596
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 2: and democrats are complicit now because we're not screaming and yelling,

1597
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 2: about this we're not writing. About it but you are

1598
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: in the, day AFTER which, i appreciate, so no thank you,

1599
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 2: for THAT and i just want to close THEM because

1600
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: i want to just sort of wrap. Everything up, you talking,

1601
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 2: you know then we've got prolog epilogue in. The end

1602
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,839
Speaker 2: you talk about this notion of sort of a reckoning

1603
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 2: and counting of sorts that we have to sort of own.

1604
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: Up to, YOU know i use the, word complicity that

1605
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 2: society becomes how we behave all of this happened on? Our,

1606
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: watch again we're not by standards in. This world so

1607
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: this notion of taking a real hard Look The democratic

1608
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: party attempted to do that with? This forensics? DID we.

1609
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: I.

1610
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: DON'T know i was LOOKING at i, was like, HELP

1611
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: me i don't know what the right.

1612
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Word is attempted is doing a lot of have you?

1613
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: Lifting there what.

1614
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: DO you i don't want to go down that, rabbit

1615
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 2: HOLE but i can't. Help it in the context of

1616
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: your four, stage recovery which, you talked but one of

1617
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 2: the recovery steps is sort, of acknowledged. You know, YOU

1618
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: know i gotta, be, truthful yeah about what you, did

1619
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: wrong how we screwed. Things up what's your takeaways with?

1620
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: You KNOW and i don't even want to get into

1621
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: the demerits or demerits of what they tried to do

1622
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: with this this. Forensic thing but What what what are

1623
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: your takeaways in the? Last election.

1624
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: Some, OF it i think is is factors outside of.

1625
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: OUR control i think, that Frankly any democrat who ran

1626
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: in an election cycle where inflation was bearing down to

1627
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: the extent that it was was going. To lose Certainly

1628
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: a democrat who, you know wasn't willing to distance herself

1629
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 1: to the EXTENT that i think she needed To, from

1630
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: biden because then then you own the economic environment that

1631
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: people are. REBELLING against i.

1632
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 2: Don't want to cut, you OFF but i. Am curious

1633
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 2: how how do you? Do that you were standing right

1634
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: next to him as? Vice, president yeah without back, to

1635
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: news without creating your own hurricane cycle of news, saying

1636
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: well where the hell? Were you why were you standing?

1637
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 2: There applotting why didn't you say anything at the, same

1638
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: time why didn't you contradict him up there on?

1639
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: The. Stand, YEAH look i can't begin to imagine what

1640
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: it's like to have to be in a Position where

1641
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: i'm disavowing, my partner the president Of The, united states

1642
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: someone Whose administration i'm continuing to serve IN but i

1643
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: think it's what needed to. BE.

1644
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Done jd van's going to.

1645
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: Do, it no he's also not. DOING It, i mean

1646
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: the best that he's got is planting Stories in politico

1647
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: saying that he is the loans skeptic in, the room

1648
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: as it relates to as it Relates, to iran as

1649
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: he sits there on his knees right Next to trump

1650
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: every step of.

1651
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 2: The way That's what, i've got.

1652
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: Those, paths so like, you know clearly both sides are

1653
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: not willing to, do that to do what needs to

1654
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 1: be done to create. That distance so but that was

1655
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: so that. WAS one, i mean that is an, external

1656
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: factor and that was sort of the.

1657
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: View argument so this notion, of inflation the, INCUMBENCY connection.

1658
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: I think also, You know DEMO and i know that

1659
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: this one has been kind of pundited, to death but

1660
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: the specificity of the things that we're offering, to people

1661
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: this Idea, that okay if you are a first time

1662
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: home buyer who grew up, you know, in northwest the

1663
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: northwestern section Of The, united states and you have, two

1664
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: kids both of them have, brown, hair like you're eligible for.

1665
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: THIS loan i mean, you KNOW it's i think we're

1666
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: in a moment where people are again so disillusioned with

1667
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: what government has to offer that if you're not looking,

1668
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: at big transformative policies that people are, desperate for, thirsting

1669
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: for then you're going to miss the forest through the

1670
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: trees like that might have worked in a. Bygone Era

1671
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: but trump has shown again that you can barrel through

1672
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: a lot of these Institutions that democrats continue to view.

1673
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: As sacred and it's not going to be, you know

1674
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: some first time home buyer loan for some certain subset.

1675
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Of people that's really going, to be, like you zero

1676
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: point three percent of. The population people are hurting, out

1677
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: there and so AND so i THINK that i think

1678
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: that it needs to be a transformative look at what

1679
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: is working in our politics and what, is not And

1680
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: The democratic party wasn't ready or willing to. DO that

1681
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: i know that this boils, down into like, you know

1682
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: it is a lot Of corporate democrats who want to

1683
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: preserve the, status quo who aren't willing to recognize the

1684
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: pain that their constituents are. Contending with that's a big part.

1685
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: OF it i do, think that, you know when we

1686
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: talk about the brand problems in. The party this is

1687
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: not something that that is going to be fixed with

1688
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: like a. New logo it's not something that's going to

1689
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: be fixed when We start twitter accounts or or YouTube channels.

1690
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: For politicians it's going to be fixed when we have

1691
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: politicians who are in office who are willing to deliver for.

1692
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: Their constituency that's how you fix. The brand you have

1693
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: to do it authentically, and organically because we're in an

1694
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: era where people can see through that bullshit if it's.

1695
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Not Real so i'm not so worried about like fixing

1696
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,879
Speaker 1: the brand by by hiring some, you know a branding

1697
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: company and making the logo at a better shade. Of

1698
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: blue you you you fix the brand by ushering in

1699
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: a new Era of democrats who a are willing to

1700
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: step aside once they turned ninety, years old like like

1701
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: come on now and be who are willing to deliver

1702
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: for people and meet them where. They are AND and

1703
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: i think that that that has to and will, come

1704
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: organically but it's got to do it soon BECAUSE as i,

1705
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: mentioned before we are in a moment where we were

1706
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: given the gift of a second chance and that doesn't,

1707
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: happen often and it only came as the result of

1708
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: the gross negligent incompetence of. This administration uh that they

1709
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: took this generational realignment one with pretty, staggering numbers Took,

1710
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: the House, the Senate The, white house the, popular vote,

1711
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: the judiciary and because they are, so corrupt, so greedy

1712
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,839
Speaker 1: so engaged in self dealing that people are just outright

1713
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: disgusted and are looking for. An alternative we have the

1714
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: opportunity to be. An alternative but if we don't deliver

1715
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 1: fast and seriously, for people then we're going to lose

1716
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: a whole generation of people who are who are up

1717
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: for grabs, right now and we can't afford to.

1718
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Do that couldn't agree with you more and, All THAT

1719
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 2: and i want to close, on this but you know

1720
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot of folks talk about just turning. The page,

1721
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 2: YOU know i skipped over your chapter ON The dj

1722
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 2: we we discussed aspects. Of, it yeah but this notion

1723
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: of accountability is that part of when you talk, About,

1724
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: delivering yes we also have to deliver in, That, respect

1725
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: yeah a.

1726
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 1: Hundred Percent and i've wrestled with this a lot because,

1727
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: you know in, my mind like, the worst, the, WORST

1728
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: uh i guess perversion of what that could look like,

1729
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: is oh you're just doing the Same thing trump is

1730
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: doing by going after. Their ENEMIES but i think in,

1731
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: this case if you don't quell, the corruption if you

1732
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: don't show that there are some consequences for, corrupt behavior

1733
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: then all you're doing is ensuring that these people continue

1734
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: to engage in corruption. Moving forward and when you have a,

1735
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: corrupt government it inherently cannot work for. REGULAR people, i

1736
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 1: mean this is what it. Looks like we're we're living

1737
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: through it. Right now we are living through a government

1738
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,839
Speaker 1: that has engaged in so. Much corruption people, are, sicker

1739
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: hungrier poorer than they. Were before that is the natural

1740
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: consequence of corruption. In government, you know whether it's something

1741
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: as insignificant as as a no bid contract for a

1742
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: reflecting pool that had to that had to be, you

1743
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: know drained, and redone to something even more significant as putting,

1744
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: you know billions or millions of dollars into companies that

1745
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: really enrich the, president's family or where you have, you

1746
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: know a crypto coins that foreign nations are, investing in and,

1747
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: In turn trump gives better deals to those to those

1748
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: countries because they're enriching. HIM personally, i mean all of

1749
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: this you cannot have a, healthy democracy a functioning democracy

1750
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: that delivers for people if you are if you're a,

1751
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: corrupt government and so you need to. Deliver accountability and

1752
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: so in, My mind, I'm, LIKE okay I don't i

1753
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: don't want to become the Thing that i'm railing against

1754
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: by saying you have to you have to WIELD the.

1755
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: Doj effectively but if, you don't this is what. You

1756
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: get and you need to send a message to people

1757
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: that there is zero tolerance for for a, lawless system

1758
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: because this is what. Lawlessness breeds it breeds distrust, in

1759
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: government it breeds, you know worse, economic outcomes worse national.

1760
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Security outcomes so you need to walk in. Shoot gum

1761
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: at the, same time you have to have an affirmative

1762
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: agenda where you deliver for people and make, life affordable

1763
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: usher in, adjust economy take care of the issues that

1764
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 1: are screaming to be taken. Care of but you also

1765
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: have to kind of reclaim this mantle of actual law

1766
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: and order because without it you have. No democracy you.

1767
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Have lawlessness that is what. That is that is the

1768
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: stuff that, breeds autocracy and it's not, You know i've

1769
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: had to check myself because it's not it's not a.

1770
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: Weaponized government this is this is this is what it

1771
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: actually looks like to have a country that is that

1772
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: is based on laws and respect for, the constitution and

1773
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: you have to be able to. DO both.

1774
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: I love everything. You said and as MUCH as i

1775
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 2: appreciate the coalition building a little humility and grace for

1776
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 2: ME and i don't it has nothing to do. With

1777
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 2: me but anyone that is trying to pursue that office

1778
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight that is not pursuing accountability and

1779
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 2: ever going to be on. My, list yeah, that too mean,

1780
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 2: is absolute that is. Table, stakes yeah in terms of

1781
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 2: what the hell has been? Going on and you did

1782
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 2: a wonderful job enumerting a, dozen examples there's dozens and

1783
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 2: dozens of. More examples and we had two and a

1784
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: half years more, of this and so this is foundational

1785
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 2: in terms of the architecture of. Our republic we.

1786
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: Can also see the extent to which it, didn't work

1787
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: NOT to i, MEAN again i know we Spoke About,

1788
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: merrick garlands but it's not like we have to theorize

1789
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: about what may happen in the event that we don't.

1790
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: Do this all we.

1791
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: Have to do is look at the natural Consequence Of

1792
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 1: merrick garland's unwillingness to hold those people, to account, Because

1793
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 1: again god forbid we have any optics. Of politicization, and so,

1794
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 1: you know An Unleashed donald trump is the natural Consequence

1795
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: Of merrick garland's unwillingness to really wield the tools at

1796
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: his disposal and hold him accountable for what. He did

1797
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: and what he did, was was, you know engage in

1798
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: actual crimes for which juries of his peers indicted him

1799
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: and were willing to hold him accountable and. Convicted him

1800
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: and so, you know this isn't this isn't. A weapon

1801
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: i know that the both sides media, will say we'll

1802
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: try and downplay what, it was, but again these were

1803
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: these were not this Was not biden.

1804
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: Correct bullshit, it's bullshit and they know. IT'S bullshit a

1805
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 2: lot of those were, state prosecutors nothing to do with THE.

1806
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 2: Doj A merrick collins temperance was off, the charts as,

1807
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 2: you expected and our frustration is, self evident and it's

1808
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: just both sides give me a. Goddamn break so, with

1809
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 2: that take a break. And enjoy Available in, July Fourteenth

1810
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 2: Brian tyler collins next number one Best Selling New york

1811
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: Times book the day after at a wheeled power in,

1812
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 2: a post yes there will be A post. Trump world

1813
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: thanks for, JOINING us i. Appreciate me.

1814
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Then did that happened?

1815
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 2: To them