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Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode Get It thirty one,
Speaker 3: thirty one of Native Lamp Pod, where we give it
Speaker 3: to you as directly as we can. I'm extremely excited
Speaker 3: to be joined today by none other than the Tiffany Cross,
Speaker 3: the Angela Rye, and I'm Andrew Gillim. What's up, y'all?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 1: A g Everything is, Yes, everything that is a good point.
Speaker 1: Everything is up, My everything is. It's time to.
Speaker 3: Do You could tell everything is up because Angela has
Speaker 3: gone so far as to put flowers all over a wall.
Speaker 4: That's a good day.
Speaker 3: You decided to put them all over your hair.
Speaker 4: I love it so Andrew, you missed the floral memo.
Speaker 4: What's going on? Safe plant?
Speaker 1: But we'll take it. It's gross, it's green gross.
Speaker 4: His soul is still glowing, y'all.
Speaker 3: So much, so much, so much has happened over the
Speaker 3: past couple of days, and I know, like me, y'all
Speaker 3: can't wait to get right in it. So on today's episode,
Speaker 3: we're going to be talking. Yes, Harris taps in Minnesota
Speaker 3: Governor Tim Waltz to be her running mate. We'll talk
Speaker 3: a little bit more about that some of the folks
Speaker 3: who didn't make it what we think this fore tales
Speaker 3: were November. Of course, we want to dive across the
Speaker 3: pond over to US involvement and the potential escalating war
Speaker 3: in the Middle East, maybe get some election news that's
Speaker 3: a part of that, given this week's Tuesday's primary outcomes.
Speaker 3: And finally, we want to just illuminate for you that
Speaker 3: when Republicans are out of options, they get real dangerous,
Speaker 3: which is why we're going to be taking a look
Speaker 3: at some of the antics and tactics being under jaking
Speaker 3: right now by Republicans all over the country at the local,
Speaker 3: to the municipal, to the state, and obviously eventually to
Speaker 3: at the federal level try to steal yet another election.
Speaker 3: Georgia Elections Board appruise new inquiry for certifying elections, and
Speaker 3: we'll let you know exactly what that means. Let's just
Speaker 3: start a family.
Speaker 5: Let's go, so, ladies, y'all, we eagerly anticipated for about
Speaker 5: two weeks not a long time who vice president.
Speaker 3: Here is my select for her, her running mate this
Speaker 3: is the most important decision, and the decision left exclusively
Speaker 3: to one person, as is often the case when she
Speaker 3: will be in the presidency, God Willing. What do y'all
Speaker 3: think about the choice? Y'all know where I was, and
Speaker 3: I heard some of where you were, Angelia? You were
Speaker 3: you were dreaming, big dreams. Friend. Last time we talked
Speaker 3: about the Vief stage John Stewart, he declined, I don't
Speaker 3: know who he might have read.
Speaker 4: You know, there are a few things I think. The
Speaker 4: first thing is, before I get into any of my downsides,
Speaker 4: I think it would be really dope if we played
Speaker 4: some of Walls's sound Andrew, I Love You in Black
Speaker 4: America because y'all definitely calling this man Waltz and it
Speaker 4: has been noted on Twitter. Why don't we play balls
Speaker 4: to the walls now? Real quick, let's go, because that's
Speaker 4: exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 6: Let's do it like all regular people I grew up
Speaker 6: with in the heartland. JD studied at Yale, had his
Speaker 6: career funded by Silicon Valley billionaires, and then wrote a
Speaker 6: best seller trashing that community.
Speaker 3: Come on, that's not what Middle America is. And I
Speaker 3: gotta tell you, I.
Speaker 6: Can't wait to debate the guy, that is, if he's
Speaker 6: willing to get off the couch and show up.
Speaker 3: So let's see what I did there. Vice President Harris
Speaker 3: is like pearls clutch.
Speaker 4: She said, Okay, you know the thing that I really
Speaker 4: like about him is he gives Kamala Harris some cover.
Speaker 4: I think that we all know, as a black woman
Speaker 4: running for this office, even the first time, there are
Speaker 4: a lot of things that she should be able to do,
Speaker 4: given her political acumen, given her experience, that they're not
Speaker 4: going to necessarily let her do. In the court of
Speaker 4: public opinion. They're judging her heavy. And I think even
Speaker 4: with this walt sound Waltz, as Andrew would say sound,
Speaker 4: is that there are folks who are saying that he
Speaker 4: went too far. They're a journalists saying that he went
Speaker 4: too far, as if they don't realize that the opposition
Speaker 4: is calling Kamala Harriet Harris not black. They're saying that
Speaker 4: she doesn't know if she's Indian or black. And so
Speaker 4: when you're up against opposition like that, I wonder what
Speaker 4: is fair game? Like why does it have to be
Speaker 4: that Democrats go high when they're like lo lo lo
Speaker 4: to the floor, like literally the basement, literally the core
Speaker 4: of the earth, and so I think he's got a
Speaker 4: meet the opposition where they are. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to the fight in him. Some of the concerns I
Speaker 4: initially had were Walls looks older, significantly older, and we
Speaker 4: just were kind of shifting away from that ticket. He
Speaker 4: happens to only be six months older than Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4: I was worried about him being not particularly well known
Speaker 4: and therefore not really vetted in the press. People are like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: Eric Holder is running the VET team. That is great.
Speaker 4: That's not what I mean I'm talking about when the
Speaker 4: stories come out about anything about his background, from DUIs
Speaker 4: to you know what Fox News does about him changing
Speaker 4: the Minnesota flag to look more like the Somalia flag,
Speaker 4: the very fact that he comes from Minnesota would it,
Speaker 4: which is generally pretty liberal. And the fact moreover that
Speaker 4: his politics have shifted substantially since he since he was
Speaker 4: in Congress. When Walls was representing a very rural area
Speaker 4: of Minnesota, he was far more conservative based on the
Speaker 4: district that he served. I think there have been a
Speaker 4: lot of folks who've said, listen, this is someone who
Speaker 4: represents what evolution should look like in the fact that
Speaker 4: he can say this is where I was, this is
Speaker 4: why it was wrong, and this is why I've shifted,
Speaker 4: particularly around his politics with the NRA, which I know
Speaker 4: you would appreciate deeply, Andrew giving your own battles with
Speaker 4: the NRA. So those are the kinds of things that
Speaker 4: stand out for me. I think that there's no perfect
Speaker 4: candidate because there's no perfect human being.
Speaker 1: So to be honest with you all, I'm excited that
Speaker 1: she picked Governor Tim Walls, but in transparency, she could
Speaker 1: have named Ronald McDonald as her man. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at the other side of what's happening over there, like,
Speaker 1: spare me the concerns about anybody she was going to name,
Speaker 1: and I don't the right is always going to pick
Speaker 1: some random, nefarious thing that they could pounce on. I
Speaker 1: don't ever want us to make decisions on what the
Speaker 1: right might say about a candidate. The fact is that
Speaker 1: this man is a veteran who starved to the Army
Speaker 1: National Guard. He's a former high school social studies teacher.
Speaker 1: He's a former football coach. He is a hunter, which, obviously,
Speaker 1: as an animal lover, I don't love that he's a
Speaker 1: gun owner. He won a district that Donald Trump also
Speaker 1: won a House seat that was carried by Trump, and
Speaker 1: so to me, those things matter, and I trust the
Speaker 1: federal government's vetting system, and most importantly, I trust Vice
Speaker 1: President Harris and her instincts. There was reporting according to
Speaker 1: The New York Times, that Governor Shapiro was very ambitious.
Speaker 1: He wanted to know about what his role would be
Speaker 1: and he had to reportedly he had to soul service
Speaker 1: to see if he could serve as a number two,
Speaker 1: and that Governor Wall said, I'm here to do whatever
Speaker 1: I can for the team. There is a show, Veep,
Speaker 1: that has come into the spotlight that I think of
Speaker 1: all the shows from West Wing to all the shows
Speaker 1: that have tried to parody DC or talk about what
Speaker 1: happens in DC, I have to say Veep was the
Speaker 1: most accurate. And there were so many and she was
Speaker 1: going through this. The vice president who ascends to the presidents,
Speaker 1: he was going through this. There were so many of
Speaker 1: these interviews where the number two was very ambitious, and
Speaker 1: it was clear that they had their own political aspirations.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if ambition is what you want
Speaker 1: in your number two you need somebody who's going to
Speaker 1: support you. And according to the vetting team, which included
Speaker 1: former Congressman Sedjah Richmond Senator Captain Cortez Mastow out of Nevada,
Speaker 1: angel already mentioned that former Attorney General Nevada.
Speaker 4: Thank you, I all forgive me Nevada.
Speaker 1: I always say that, but they had You know, angel
Speaker 1: I already mentioned that former Attorney General Eric Holder was
Speaker 1: leading the vet you know, it came down to her gut.
Speaker 1: And so I think I'm going to trust the Vice
Speaker 1: President's gut because she has to work the closest with him,
Speaker 1: and given what we're facing in this country, I mean,
Speaker 1: my thought is, let's get behind whoever she picks, and
Speaker 1: what do we have to do to push her over
Speaker 1: the line. Now when it comes to how he will
Speaker 1: be received, what's this rollout going to look like? Of
Speaker 1: Tuesday of this week, they made their debut in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: crucial city to the battleground state of Pennsylvania. I thought
Speaker 1: it couldn't have gone better. To the point about the couch,
Speaker 1: I thought I grew completely echo Angela's thoughts, like it's
Speaker 1: ridiculous that we are going to compare you know, this
Speaker 1: kind of the throwaway, throw away laugh line about the couch.
Speaker 1: And just as background for those of you who may
Speaker 1: not know, there was somebody who tweeted that in the
Speaker 1: book He'll Billy elegy jd Vance said that he had
Speaker 1: sex with the couch, which essentially like he the The
Speaker 1: alleged passage was that he like put his hands together
Speaker 1: and and and gyrated hunch as we would say with
Speaker 1: this couch. Now, the person later said they they added
Speaker 1: a page number and everything, and the person later said, yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: I was just making that up like it wasn't true,
Speaker 1: but so many people consumed it and thought it was
Speaker 1: real that then there became another rumor that the publisher
Speaker 1: pulled it. None of this was true, but it became
Speaker 1: so public that even the AP wrote about it, and
Speaker 1: they later took the story down because it didn't meet
Speaker 1: their editorial standards, which I agree with. They probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that, but it became like this urban legend.
Speaker 1: We can say here on Natalean Pount, we obviously don't
Speaker 1: want to traffic in disinformation.
Speaker 4: This did not happen.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's quite real as far as we know, well,
Speaker 1: because I have not heard Dad E. Vance say this
Speaker 1: didn't happen, but we can't say that it was not
Speaker 1: in the book.
Speaker 4: He'll Billy Elegy Tiffany.
Speaker 3: The reason why I took off is because it's so believable.
Speaker 1: The like, so let me just finish this point. Is
Speaker 1: because I believable in the since that yes, they are weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's believable that he had sex
Speaker 1: with the couch. Here's my challenge with this, for all
Speaker 1: the journalists who are coming out like, you know, dumbing
Speaker 1: their nose at you know, I feel like, hey, it's
Speaker 1: your job to say, hey, this is actually this did
Speaker 1: not happen. When he said that line, and people came
Speaker 1: on afterwards, as you know, the cable news panels do,
Speaker 1: and the chattering class like picks this apart. I did
Speaker 1: not hear a lot of people correct it. I had
Speaker 1: just heard people say, oh, what a great line about
Speaker 1: the couts. They neither explained it nor corrected it. That's
Speaker 1: a fail on your part, not the governor's part. He
Speaker 1: is a candidate, and if they're gonna throw, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna rib each other on things like this, then journalists
Speaker 1: have more of responsibility than to cover this like it's
Speaker 1: the Drake Kendrick Lamar beef like this is not sport
Speaker 1: for us. These politics and policies have a dire consequence
Speaker 1: to the people who are on the receiving end of it.
Speaker 1: And I think the reason why you have so many
Speaker 1: cable news panels just kind of parse over this kind
Speaker 1: of thing and move past it and have all this
Speaker 1: inside baseball talk is because they're rarely impacted by this.
Speaker 1: We're looking at this like, how is this going to
Speaker 1: impact my mom's medicaid? How is this going to impact
Speaker 1: my health insurance? How is this going to impact my mortgage?
Speaker 1: How was just going to impact where my kids go
Speaker 1: to school? And so because they're failing at their job
Speaker 1: in terms of fact checking and deciding what's a joke
Speaker 1: and what's real and what's reality, and what's something to
Speaker 1: laugh about on what's not, I just think it's quite
Speaker 1: hypocriticalism to criticize Governor Walls, or as my people say,
Speaker 1: the community says Governor waltz Andrew.
Speaker 4: Before you chiming here, I just wanted to flag one
Speaker 4: thing that Tip rays, and that is around fact checking.
Speaker 4: The nerve of journalists to go on and want to
Speaker 4: fact check a campaign trail speech, particularly a rollout, which
Speaker 4: is very clearly a joke. The audience is roaring his laughter.
Speaker 4: But you won't fact check a debate, thank you, But
Speaker 4: you won't fact check an interview, like the only fact
Speaker 4: checker that Donald Trump had the NABJ was Rachel Scott
Speaker 4: last week. Like, I don't know what we're talking about here,
Speaker 4: So that is super super frustrating to me that you
Speaker 4: think that it is his obligation to say because the
Speaker 4: journalists want me to weigh in here, let me just
Speaker 4: say that this is not true. But it is a
Speaker 4: joke that is so dumb. So I just want to
Speaker 4: say that I got point about ambition, but I'm away
Speaker 4: till my brother weiys in.
Speaker 3: No, I just quickly say, look, I listened to this.
Speaker 3: I was. I was enraptured yesterday by all of the
Speaker 3: dynamics on Tuesday, by all the dynamics that they present.
Speaker 3: And he was not my choice for her for her veep.
Speaker 3: But after seeing him, I'm on board. I mean, he
Speaker 3: quickly became my choice. It then made complete in total sense.
Speaker 3: While he was selected as far as as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: and again I don't I'm probably similar to you anybody
Speaker 3: who's vice president probably is ambitious. But what Walls did
Speaker 3: is he went and he said, I have no aspirations
Speaker 3: to anything higher than to be in service to you
Speaker 3: as your vice president. And I think if you're Kamala Harrison,
Speaker 3: you're thinking about the work that lay ahead. You want
Speaker 3: somebody who's focused principally on that and I and I
Speaker 3: get that. And I still believe that Shapiro has not
Speaker 3: just ambitions, but I believe that time will will prove
Speaker 3: him to be a serious, serious national player on the
Speaker 3: national scale. And I believe one day as president of
Speaker 3: the United States, his time will come. But Walls he
Speaker 3: has had, he has had growth and belief system. But
Speaker 3: before he was ever being measured on how he voted,
Speaker 3: on what stance he took when he was just a teacher,
Speaker 3: not just but a teacher, when he was a coach,
Speaker 3: a national championship winning football coach, when it was not
Speaker 3: popular to the LGBT in this country and in his state,
Speaker 3: decided symbolically what it meant, but also what it meant
Speaker 3: for him to stand in the gap for those who
Speaker 3: are being marginalized and targeted and said, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'll serve as the gay straight alliance staff faculty advisor
Speaker 3: to this group, and to have the football coach take
Speaker 3: on that role, y'all know what that represents. You know
Speaker 3: what it means, and I can only imagine what it
Speaker 3: meant to those young people who who identified as such
Speaker 3: and whose lives may have been saved by him choosing
Speaker 3: to stand in the gap. Are those are the parts
Speaker 3: of his contributions to society that are not going to
Speaker 3: show up in a congressional scorecard. But it tells the
Speaker 3: story of a man. It tells the story of where
Speaker 3: his heart is, where his ethics lie, and and and frankly,
Speaker 3: the kind of man that he is, and and I
Speaker 3: respect that. I think that he will give Kamala everything
Speaker 3: that she needs, including his experience on the heel. Well,
Speaker 3: I think add just additional support to her moving a
Speaker 3: congressional or a legislative agenda through Congress, which as we
Speaker 3: all know, is not the easiest thing to do. And finally, y'all,
Speaker 3: I'll just say I did listen to that speech and
Speaker 3: had no clue what the couch reference was at all.
Speaker 3: When Jay came home that night, she was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I already mentioned the couch. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess the guy's lazy. I was just like, you haven't
Speaker 3: heard him, Like, what are you talking about? And so
Speaker 3: she pulls up the social media and I look at
Speaker 3: the thing. I'm like, oh, okay, But but I tell
Speaker 3: you it endured me even further. To this man. There
Speaker 3: is no measuring these two tickets on the same scale.
Speaker 3: They're not in the same universe. They're just not in
Speaker 3: the same universe. And so I, of course, like you
Speaker 3: both rebuke this whole fact checking. I have to tell
Speaker 3: you many of us probably watched it without familiarity to
Speaker 3: the reference, just thought he was being a hokey, you
Speaker 3: know kind of guy. But I'm in Harris Walls.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say one quick thing, just because Angela brought
Speaker 1: this up seeing a fact checking, I do want to
Speaker 1: point out that what Angela referenced when she said do
Speaker 1: UIs it was one dui that Governor Walls got in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five when he was thirty one, when he
Speaker 1: was driving significantly over the speed limit. I'm not dismissing
Speaker 1: it or trivializing it. I just want our viewers to
Speaker 1: understand what Angela was referencing. We're coming up on a heartbreak,
Speaker 1: but Angela. I know you wanted to talk about Shapiro,
Speaker 1: so I'll let you do that and then you take
Speaker 1: us to break.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to. I want to say Shapiro
Speaker 4: did a great job at the rally saying that he
Speaker 4: was going to support this ticket. I do think that
Speaker 4: we should talk about ambition on the other side of
Speaker 4: the break, and just because I know you would have
Speaker 4: done this. Tip is our resident sports commentator and analysts.
Speaker 4: Tim Walls has never won a national championship, but he
Speaker 4: did win a state championship at the FOP touch so
Speaker 4: what that says he will take that touchdown to the break.
Speaker 7: I want to talk about Tim Walls because Philly, in
Speaker 7: a minute, he's going to come out here, and I
Speaker 7: want you to give him.
Speaker 3: A whole lot of luck.
Speaker 7: Tim Walls is a great man. Tim Walls is an
Speaker 7: outstanding governor. Tim Walls is a teacher. Tim Walls say guardsman.
Speaker 7: Tim Walls is a great patriot here and I'll tell
Speaker 7: you what else. I'll tell you what else. Tim Walls
Speaker 7: is a dear friend. And I want you to know
Speaker 7: LORI and I feel blessed to have Tim and Gwen
Speaker 7: in our lives. They are outstanding public servants. And I
Speaker 7: can't wait for you, Philly, the rest of this Commonwealth
Speaker 7: and our entire country to get the chance to know
Speaker 7: the Walls is the next vice president and second lady
Speaker 7: of this nation.
Speaker 3: Will should be the first lady, since Doug would be the.
Speaker 4: First question.
Speaker 1: Lady because Doug is the first gentleman. Well, second, he
Speaker 1: wasn't the first and second, So I think she's the
Speaker 1: first lady, But what a time point.
Speaker 4: To second lady. She's still a seculating But I just
Speaker 4: want to say that was none other than Josh Obama
Speaker 4: or Barack Shapiro that you just heard from, and I
Speaker 4: think that it is phenomenal that he is. He reminds
Speaker 4: me a lot of Barack Obama. There's been a lot
Speaker 4: of jokes about this, but his cadence is like absolutely
Speaker 4: borrowed from our residential black preacher or Barack Obama. They might, yeah,
Speaker 4: he might have borrowed it. He definitely brought it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe I could just say thank you Jeremiah. Right regardless,
Speaker 4: it was an amazing intro. And I think as much
Speaker 4: as we talk about ambition and pooh pooh it, I think,
Speaker 4: just like we say with women, ambition is not a
Speaker 4: dirty word. And I think that when you look at
Speaker 4: the trajectory of most of our vps, they ran against
Speaker 4: the president first, at least in recent history. I don't
Speaker 4: think that's been true forever, but it's in recent history.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris was running against Joe Biden. O'biden was running
Speaker 4: against Barack Obama, so let's be clear about that. I
Speaker 4: think the other thing that it's important to note is
Speaker 4: it actually worries me. Some of the things that have
Speaker 4: been said is that Tim Walls doesn't want to be president.
Speaker 4: He's not desiring to be president. Maybe they mean right now,
Speaker 4: but I want to make sure that whomever is in
Speaker 4: that second seat is ready on day one if anything happened.
Speaker 4: So I don't think there's anything wrong with ambition. I
Speaker 4: think blind ambition is dangerous, but I don't think that
Speaker 4: that's what we're dealing with here. A lot's been said
Speaker 4: about Josh Shapiro, but I just agree with Andrew that
Speaker 4: he definitely has the trajectory to one day become president.
Speaker 4: He is truly a star. He has it. We know
Speaker 4: what that it is. Some musicable minds disagree, but I
Speaker 4: think he has it.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: So that's what I want to say about that.
Speaker 3: Please, really, I love it. The last point I just
Speaker 3: want to make isn't it isn't it? I don't know
Speaker 3: if y'all perceive this as well, but I got the
Speaker 3: feeling that Walls could say some things that one Vice
Speaker 3: President Harris would never say. You could see her behind
Speaker 3: him sort of, you know, in the picture frame with
Speaker 3: some of his comments. But what he offers her is
Speaker 3: the ability for him to really go toe to toe
Speaker 3: back and forth with Dvance and Trump on their level,
Speaker 3: should he choose to go there and frankly not have
Speaker 3: the scourge and scorn of the media and quite frankly
Speaker 3: the white majority saying that she's out of place, out
Speaker 3: of pocket to all the other things that she gets.
Speaker 3: And I guess when I'm saying, if I had to abbreviate,
Speaker 3: it would be he brings a white male's privilege and
Speaker 3: all that comes with it to the ticket, and I
Speaker 3: believe that it will be extended as leverage when necessary
Speaker 3: to give her the cover that she needs for some
Speaker 3: of the outrageous crap that we already know has come
Speaker 3: and will continue to come her way.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but he started, Yeah, exactly I mean, I
Speaker 1: think when I look at the ticket with Vice President
Speaker 1: Harris and Governor Walls, that you really start to see
Speaker 1: a divide in these two tickets.
Speaker 4: With with Trump and JD.
Speaker 1: Vans, The question is will they ever meet on the
Speaker 1: debate stage. Now, you know, Trump has previously pulled out
Speaker 1: just this week, now he's teasing a debate. He was
Speaker 1: on Fox News Wednesday morning saying, you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to debate very soon. It's going to be announced very.
Speaker 3: Soon as one with Biden.
Speaker 1: Now to know what he has no no, no no
Speaker 1: on his on which you know is not even worth mentioning,
Speaker 1: to be honest, But it doesn't matter. He didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: So next, But I think that is the question though,
Speaker 1: And I you know Trump had countered saying I would
Speaker 1: love to debate Vice President Harrison on Fox News with
Speaker 1: a live audience. I I know we disagree here. I
Speaker 1: do not want a live audience to me put Vice
Speaker 1: President Harris and let her square against Donald Trump. I
Speaker 1: don't need comments from the peanut gallery. I don't need
Speaker 1: a bunch of cheers. Let these two people put forth
Speaker 1: their vision before the country, before the viewing audience at home,
Speaker 1: because then you'll get to hear substance over the kabuki
Speaker 1: theater that we have become so used to with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And then, for the first freaking time this cycle, maybe
Speaker 1: the journalists can do their jobs and look at some
Speaker 1: of the crazy, unhinged, weird stuff that Donald Trump says,
Speaker 1: because before they were so focused on Biden that we
Speaker 1: just bypassed all the crazy, out there stuff that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump was saying. I also think it would be a
Speaker 1: good distinction to have between JD. Vance and Governor Walls, like,
Speaker 1: let these two gentlemen go out there and debate. I
Speaker 1: surmise we will not see this debate happen. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see I think Donald Trump is he's great at
Speaker 1: show business and that's what he does. His first job
Speaker 1: in government was as president of the United States, and
Speaker 1: so he he has governed as somebody who's a reality
Speaker 1: TV star. So this kind of teasing like, oh well,
Speaker 1: we'll have a debate, we're gonna announce it very soon.
Speaker 1: Put up or shut up, you know, get out there
Speaker 1: and say something and square off against this woman who
Speaker 1: he's clearly afraid of. He's terrified he is, and I
Speaker 1: love I said this last week that he didn't know
Speaker 1: she was sixty. It's like, yeah, you go get your
Speaker 1: ass kicked by this sixty year old woman. And he
Speaker 1: I think he just doesn't want to see it happen.
Speaker 1: But I do think that he'll be obnoxious. He'll talk
Speaker 1: over her. He but he cannot beat her on the
Speaker 1: substance when.
Speaker 4: He stood behind Hillary. Yes, it's such a great but yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't. If I think you you got some high,
Speaker 4: tall hopes for these moderators, if the if the Presidential
Speaker 4: Commission on Debate moderators, Oh okay, if you're saying that
Speaker 4: we're gonna finally hear where Trump weird says weird, they're
Speaker 4: not gonna fact check it. I don't really know if
Speaker 4: it matters.
Speaker 1: It is home watching well hear because without them saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Biden looks so old, it's like they
Speaker 1: didn't even focus on what Donald Trump was saying.
Speaker 4: Now, I understand what you're saying. I just I think
Speaker 4: an audience don't hurt. It didn't help last time not
Speaker 4: having one.
Speaker 3: So I think she will. I think she will thrive
Speaker 3: in either environment. I think an audience for him will
Speaker 3: will will conjure the whole shadowy Hillary thing. It will
Speaker 3: cause him to act out. He's like an actor. He
Speaker 3: needs an audience and he performs you know, you know,
Speaker 3: three year old kid. No offense to three year olds.
Speaker 3: But that's what the that's what the that's what we're
Speaker 3: dealing with. But the worst part about this, y'all, and
Speaker 3: I know y'all know it for yourselves, is there is
Speaker 3: no way Donald Trump is going to receive an iota
Speaker 3: a scrutiny for any of the outrage that that that
Speaker 3: that comes out of his mouth. And JD. Vance thought
Speaker 3: that that same grace was going to inure to him,
Speaker 3: and it isn't. It stops with Trump, and now he's
Speaker 3: being he's being leveled at the scale that politicians generally
Speaker 3: are at this stage of the game. Now, Tiffany, I
Speaker 3: know that we've been focused a lot domestically, but there's
Speaker 3: some things internationally going on that undoubtedly is going to
Speaker 3: have impact, and it has already begun to have impact.
Speaker 3: I would argue, yeah, on domestic politics, what's up?
Speaker 4: Well, I kind of want.
Speaker 1: You guys opinion on this because so something that we
Speaker 1: don't talk about a lot. There's been whispers about it
Speaker 1: in the mainstream media and it should let you know
Speaker 1: how big it is that they can crack open the
Speaker 1: echo chambers. But this whole Iran, Israel Hamas has balat war.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is quite literally bubbling up, and the
Speaker 1: United States is we are involved, and so I think
Speaker 1: at this point it's not a question of if, but
Speaker 1: when our involvement will escalate. I want you all to
Speaker 1: take a listen to where we are right now in
Speaker 1: terms of US support and what's happening there. Take a
Speaker 1: listen to this sound, and then I'll give you more context.
Speaker 8: On the other side, more and more US forces are
Speaker 8: heading to the Middle East, the Pentagon sending the aircraft
Speaker 8: carrier the USS Abraham Lincoln, several cruisers, several destroyers, as
Speaker 8: well as an additional squadron of fighter jets. The White
Speaker 8: House says the goal of these forces is to try
Speaker 8: to deter Iran from carrying out an attack in the
Speaker 8: first place. I gotta say both US and Israeli officials
Speaker 8: are pessimistic that that is going to work. They expect
Speaker 8: that this attack is coming, and it is now just
Speaker 8: a question of when and if it does. Those American
Speaker 8: forces will be called upon to try to intercept incoming
Speaker 8: Iranian missiles and drones, much as they were back in
Speaker 8: April when American troops helped shoot down that wave of
Speaker 8: three hundred missiles and drones fired by Iran towards Israel.
Speaker 1: So the context here is there's a conflict, obviously, as
Speaker 1: you all know, between Israel and Iran, and now it's
Speaker 1: you know, Iran's proxies, that's Hamas has Ala, the hooties,
Speaker 1: and this is going to eventually escalate into a full
Speaker 1: home skie. This war is one that Israel cannot fight alone,
Speaker 1: and so what will they do? Look to Big Brother
Speaker 1: of the United States to see, one how we're going
Speaker 1: to fund this war and two if we'll get involved.
Speaker 1: I suspect I surmise that bb netan Yahoo is almost
Speaker 1: giddy with the anticipation of this. I think he is
Speaker 1: almost daring Iran to do something because it will force
Speaker 1: the United States hand. Now President Biden, who is still
Speaker 1: the commander in chief, it will be up to him
Speaker 1: how we engage in this war, at least until January.
Speaker 1: My curiosity about this is should this continue to escalate,
Speaker 1: and by all indications it will will, If we are
Speaker 1: engaged in conflict, what impact will that have on this election.
Speaker 1: Given the historic nature of this candidate, we have never
Speaker 1: before had a female commander in chief. We did briefly
Speaker 1: in November twenty twenty one when President Biden had to
Speaker 1: go under and he briefly release command to then Vice
Speaker 1: President Harris. That was the first time in American history
Speaker 1: that there was a female commander in chief. I wonder
Speaker 1: what impact this will have on those hardcore military people
Speaker 1: who've been swayed and said, well, we know we don't
Speaker 1: want Donald Trump, but yes, we'll be willing.
Speaker 4: To vote for her.
Speaker 1: Will people still stand behind her? What impact will that have?
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, I think I know how the
Speaker 1: community will move. I wonder how people outside the community
Speaker 1: will move there. In recent history, there's not been that
Speaker 1: many female heads of state during War Golden mayear, of course,
Speaker 1: the Iron Lady. If you guys remember, I'm sure you do,
Speaker 1: Angela from your time on the hill. In twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was pushing Obama to
Speaker 1: get aggressive in Libya. There is a president in South
Speaker 1: Korea whose name is escaping me.
Speaker 4: It was Park High.
Speaker 1: I believe it is her name. Forgive me if I
Speaker 1: had that wrong, But she was like knuck if you
Speaker 1: bucked to North Korea. So there have been incidents of this.
Speaker 1: But I wonder is America ready for a female wartime president?
Speaker 3: What do y'all think you got? Angela? I defer to you, well,
Speaker 3: one they better be, because I think God willing and
Speaker 3: us working, it will be. I have to say, Vice
Speaker 3: President Kamala Harris is a different person as I see
Speaker 3: her present these last couple of weeks before the American people,
Speaker 3: and maybe not a different person. It could be a
Speaker 3: hearkening back to how she exhibited her leadership as an executive,
Speaker 3: as an attorney general. This is there is a woman
Speaker 3: who knows how to prosecute. She knows how to bring
Speaker 3: the case. She knows how to be strategic. She knows
Speaker 3: how to how do you say, calibrate and escalate and
Speaker 3: de escalate when necessary. She pulled California out of that
Speaker 3: settlement agreement with Jamie Diamond and all those you know,
Speaker 3: the big banks and ended up with a settlement on
Speaker 3: the side larger than all of the combined states you
Speaker 3: know together. Right? She strategically knew when and how to
Speaker 3: do that. And don't tell me money and warfare right?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: And its own you know in its own form, I
Speaker 3: think she is exhibiting the kind of very calculating and
Speaker 3: I mean that in a good way leadership and disposition
Speaker 3: as vice president. But I think it's coming into even
Speaker 3: additional focus in these past couple of weeks. I don't
Speaker 3: think we have anything to be doubtful about with her
Speaker 3: in that regard, and I think her vice president vice
Speaker 3: president vice presidential nominee Walls and his military experience will
Speaker 3: further buttress her here. And by the way, compare that
Speaker 3: to the other's ticket and there's none of it exists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that never served. We know that Jade vance is
Speaker 1: he did serve in the armed services. But Ange, I
Speaker 1: hear your point on the banks.
Speaker 4: And look.
Speaker 1: Another thing about this is while she's campaigning, she is
Speaker 1: getting briefed on this situation, and routinely Secretary of State
Speaker 1: Tony Wincoln came out that the White House is briefed
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 4: They were updated on Monday.
Speaker 1: But these escalating tensions, I think, are you know when
Speaker 1: you talk about October surprise, this could potentially be an
Speaker 1: October surprise. So I think we have to be ready
Speaker 1: to stand behind them one hundred toes down to back her.
Speaker 3: In this I was just gonna say. I know your
Speaker 3: question was about a female commander in chief, but I
Speaker 3: have to say, just in general, in this Middle Eastern conflict,
Speaker 3: which as you have rightly i think pointed out or
Speaker 3: assessed that we're on the road to escalation, that there
Speaker 3: will be retaliation. There's no doubt about it from the
Speaker 3: Iranian Iranian State, their proxies, you know, probably for sure.
Speaker 3: And I think the United States has made very clear
Speaker 3: by the triangulation of its assets, military assets, the deployment
Speaker 3: of additional military assets, not only for that. While we're
Speaker 3: saying determined deterrence, there's no doubt that the US military
Speaker 3: will respond to an attack on Israel at a time
Speaker 3: and a place and a method of its choosing. And
Speaker 3: it may not be broadcasts, but it will be impactful.
Speaker 1: And I think is a nuclear power for sure.
Speaker 3: It's a big difference. And the but I have to
Speaker 3: tell you that the real perpetrator here who really needs
Speaker 3: to be able to stand for account and unfortunately we
Speaker 3: won't be the ones to put him through it is
Speaker 3: bb net and Yahoo who took a provocative action with
Speaker 3: this in state Iranian assassination. He was in the middle
Speaker 3: of negotiating on behalf of these families who are fit
Speaker 3: to be tied as it relates to their loved loved
Speaker 3: ones who have for over three hundred days and almost
Speaker 3: a year been.
Speaker 4: Kept from them. Now, why you choose.
Speaker 3: Now to do what you could have done? You put
Speaker 3: bombs in a room allegedly where the man stays every
Speaker 3: time he's in the country.
Speaker 4: Literally provoking an escalation.
Speaker 3: It could have happened, and he knows the US commitment,
Speaker 3: forget who the president is, the US commitment at large
Speaker 3: to the Israeli state since the nineteen sixties is undeterred
Speaker 3: and we will be there. And so I just hate
Speaker 3: that this guy's able to force our hand on something
Speaker 3: like this and possibly have pretty impactful weight on the
Speaker 3: November election. I just hope people make the right choice
Speaker 3: and the right decision in this. And Angela, I just
Speaker 3: got to ask, while we talk internationally, we think it
Speaker 3: has no impact on what's happening domestically. We know that
Speaker 3: there have been elections and primary elections to cycle wherein
Speaker 3: the most well funded Israeli lobby A Path has been
Speaker 3: involved in many of the races for people who we
Speaker 3: know that we care about. It seats around the country.
Speaker 3: I'm curious to know, after we come back from this break,
Speaker 3: whether or not you derive any impacts on the American
Speaker 3: elections that have occurred this far and obviously in November.
Speaker 3: We'll get to your answer when we come back and break.
Speaker 3: Let's face some bills.
Speaker 4: Well, welcome back everyone. A good friend of ours, Corey
Speaker 4: Bush lost in her primary yesterday in Missouri's first congressional district,
Speaker 4: and it was to Wesley Bell, who has an interesting
Speaker 4: history with the black community in Saint Louis, particularly in Ferguson,
Speaker 4: and earlier this year, Wesley Bell made a call to
Speaker 4: Corey Bush that became a part of her campaign, where
Speaker 4: he assured her he would not be running against her
Speaker 4: in this election. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 3: Don't think that's always a second that desiccation. I'm telling
Speaker 3: me right now, I'm telling.
Speaker 8: People on my word, i am not running.
Speaker 4: As I don't think we need to hear another thing.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, y'all. And we talked about this on
Speaker 4: our earlier production called tif Is Like that's all news,
Speaker 4: you know. Andrews like, yeah, it has been for me.
Speaker 4: This is a character issue. It is a horrible flaw
Speaker 4: of mine. I really want to believe people and take
Speaker 4: them at their word. So I'm just wondering what type
Speaker 4: of elected officials Wesley Bell will be if to his
Speaker 4: alleged friend and colleague and comrade Corey Bush, he made
Speaker 4: that type of promise, what type of elected official will
Speaker 4: he be? What type of public servant will he be
Speaker 4: to the citizens of Ferguson and to Saint Louis. We
Speaker 4: know what he's done as a prosecutor in that area.
Speaker 4: A lot of folks who look like us aren't particularly
Speaker 4: happy with his record. So I'd love to know what
Speaker 4: y'all think, or if we could just leave it right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the big part about this is
Speaker 1: the role of that APAC plays in our politics. We
Speaker 1: saw what happened with Congressman Jamal Bowman in New York
Speaker 1: and this is now all you know, one of their
Speaker 1: other targeted races that she was a member of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote squad progressive people who spoke out against US
Speaker 1: and involvement in US backing of the conflict in Gaza
Speaker 1: and support of Israel, and so you know, it is
Speaker 1: definitely concerning when one entity and we talked about the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case that allowed entities to pour this kind
Speaker 1: of money into campaigns. They essentially poured a million United
Speaker 1: Yeah citizens United the twenty ten Skota's case Supreme Court case.
Speaker 1: This is essentially allowed them to buy that seat. And
Speaker 1: we have to start shedding light on these types of things.
Speaker 1: We were looking at the election, the turnout results, and
Speaker 1: turnout was vismal. It wasn't very It wasn't an election
Speaker 1: that had a lot of participants in it. I don't
Speaker 1: know the potential incoming members should he go on to
Speaker 1: win in November. I don't know a lot about him.
Speaker 1: I did look in his background briefly and saw that
Speaker 1: he was a little too friendly for my comfort with
Speaker 1: Senator to Josh Hawley, Republican Trump sycophant in that neck.
Speaker 4: Of the woods.
Speaker 1: So to me, the best exposure, the best weapon rather
Speaker 1: is exposure. So I hope the people look at him
Speaker 1: like they're on the Apple team, you know, like you
Speaker 1: want to look at his background, what bills is he sponsoring,
Speaker 1: What is the work that he's doing. And I do
Speaker 1: want to say shout out to Congresswoman Corey Bush because
Speaker 1: she said all they did was cut the strings, you know,
Speaker 1: and now that she is somewhat unleashed that she will
Speaker 1: continue in her work and continue being a public servant.
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly, but it says something about people who
Speaker 1: are willing to stand on business and stand on principle.
Speaker 1: And there have just been one too many people that
Speaker 1: I trust from that neighborhood who throw that into question
Speaker 1: for Wesley Bell. But if he is listening, he is
Speaker 1: welcome to come on Native Land Pod and defend his positions,
Speaker 1: because we certainly have quite a few questions for the brother.
Speaker 3: I want to say we did well.
Speaker 1: We knew guests when we were on live tours occasionally.
Speaker 1: So he's listening to DNC.
Speaker 4: Come see us. We're gonna talk more about that later.
Speaker 3: There it is, But.
Speaker 4: I wanted to flag too because I think this is
Speaker 4: significant and if it gets to kind of what you're
Speaker 4: talking about, it's not just the buying of elections, just
Speaker 4: when the buying of the elections is so outsized with
Speaker 4: our voter participation, and it's part of the reason why
Speaker 4: we work so hard to make sure that our NLP
Speaker 4: fam is engaged more than just listening to our podcast,
Speaker 4: but sending in questions, sending in comments, participating because our
Speaker 4: participation is our power. So in this election, for example,
Speaker 4: Wesley Bell won Saint Louis County, Cory Bush won Saint
Speaker 4: Louis City, so there's there is even a distinction there.
Speaker 4: And the total votes in Saint Louis County were seventy
Speaker 4: four thousand, six hundred and twenty seven The overall count
Speaker 4: for this full was one hundred and twenty three thousand,
Speaker 4: so far one hundred and twenty eight hundred and nineteen votes.
Speaker 4: That is just a fraction of the number of people
Speaker 4: they represent in this congressional district. We have to start
Speaker 4: showing up to vote our interests. There is just no
Speaker 4: other There's nothing that can supplant that. It doesn't matter
Speaker 4: how much money and entity spends. Yes, it is terrible
Speaker 4: that you can buy in and your money could very
Speaker 4: well mean that you win an election, But most importantly
Speaker 4: it is our participation. And so if you don't want
Speaker 4: someone to vote on your behalf with a check, if
Speaker 4: you don't want someone to vote on your behalf by
Speaker 4: showing up and electing someone that you don't support, who
Speaker 4: doesn't represent your interests, who has a platform that's not
Speaker 4: in alignment with your values, you have to show up
Speaker 4: to the polls. That's just the bottom line.
Speaker 3: The point is well made. And I would just say
Speaker 3: for those who are listening and saying, well, it's our
Speaker 3: fault of we don't show up. It's our fault if
Speaker 3: we don't. Some of the power of what it means
Speaker 3: to have. The kind of tranche of money that uh
Speaker 3: Corey Bush's opponent had was almost I have to believe
Speaker 3: almost all of it targeted negative ads to bring down
Speaker 3: her likability, her favorabilities, to put her in this dark,
Speaker 3: shadowy light. You know, y'all know the commercials with the
Speaker 3: ominous voice where everything the person's ever done in their
Speaker 3: lives has been to our detriment. They probably didn't mention
Speaker 3: Israel once in one of those ads. My guess is
Speaker 3: those ads went at the heart of who she was.
Speaker 3: And I'm only guessing because I haven't seen it. I
Speaker 3: wasn't there. I didn't observe the election, you know, in
Speaker 3: real time in her community. But but, but, but those
Speaker 3: negative ads have the effect of driving down turnout as well,
Speaker 3: and and and and and and to to to de
Speaker 3: lessen the power of money and politics, we have to do,
Speaker 3: as Angela and and and Tiffany and I often admonish,
Speaker 3: which is, you beat them by your participation, you beat
Speaker 3: them by show going up. They can spend all the
Speaker 3: money in the world, but guess who had the power
Speaker 3: the voters, the voters. So I just echoed that, Angela,
Speaker 3: I know you had something else to add them just quickly.
Speaker 4: They it was the United Democracy Project, which is a
Speaker 4: pro Israel pack, not a pack directly, but their political
Speaker 4: action committee, a super pack. Eight point five million dollars
Speaker 4: was spent to alist Corey Bush. And of course they
Speaker 4: spent fifteen million earlier this year.
Speaker 3: To somebody new. To divide that by the number of voters, right,
Speaker 3: that's right, got to tell that's it vote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But they absolutely focused on guys, and they
Speaker 4: focused on her voting against the infrastructure bill without context.
Speaker 4: And I think that is the other part, Like it
Speaker 4: is incumbent upon us to tell people the full story
Speaker 4: when we talk about again, folks who are our friends,
Speaker 4: folks who have been allies not just to this show,
Speaker 4: but to our values. I think it's really significant that
Speaker 4: we talk about these things.
Speaker 1: And money about said, you know, like, I know my right,
Speaker 1: they're donated to a presidential campaign this year for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I think when you brother, Yes, shout
Speaker 1: out to my brother, who's biggest fans of y'all's. But
Speaker 1: I think one thing, we've all worked on numerous campaigns
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes, and one thing I know, people are
Speaker 1: gonna max out to you. There is a certain group
Speaker 1: of people they just gonna max out because they're playing
Speaker 1: the safe, like, yup, here's the max.
Speaker 4: I've checked that box. When somebody sends you.
Speaker 1: A five dollar check or a twenty dollars check, maybe
Speaker 1: that can vote.
Speaker 4: That is a vote.
Speaker 1: That is somebody that's so dedicated to you that they
Speaker 1: willing to knock on doors. If they can't knock on doors,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make phone calls. If they can't make phone calls,
Speaker 1: they giving you their last few little pennies because they
Speaker 1: believe in you. So you know, those big checks don't
Speaker 1: always don't always do the trick.
Speaker 4: If we if we vote with our conviction.
Speaker 3: I remember in my primary, and Angela will remember this
Speaker 3: as well. You know, we were coming up last on
Speaker 3: fundraising of all six of my opponents, right, but I kept,
Speaker 3: I kept celebrating the numbers that we had the largest
Speaker 3: number of small donors of any any candidate at there
Speaker 3: at many intervals throughout and it was exactly what you said.
Speaker 3: When I saw that five dollars and that two dollars
Speaker 3: fifty cent on rotation coming through it, it just it
Speaker 3: puffed me up in a different kind of way. Now,
Speaker 3: I would have loved that five million and that five
Speaker 3: thousand check or whatever, but it was that individual that
Speaker 3: showed me that not only were they investing, that had
Speaker 3: skin in the game, not only were they going to
Speaker 3: show up and vote, but they were bringing some folks
Speaker 3: with them. That's how dedicated you are when you are
Speaker 3: on a rotational gift to somebody at five dollars, you know,
Speaker 3: a sweep every other every other week. I mean, that's big.
Speaker 1: Here's the question, though, because I do like, so there's
Speaker 1: apathy out there right there. Certainly was before Vice President
Speaker 1: Harri's gotten the race. Now she's in the race, there
Speaker 1: seems to be some renewed enthusiasm among a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but there's still a significant level of apathy, Like even
Speaker 1: in this country, like a lot of people just don't
Speaker 1: participate in the process.
Speaker 4: What will it take for people.
Speaker 1: Because we've already seen the danger, you know, we've already said, oh,
Speaker 1: but you know, Trump is coming, and you know it's dangerous,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had to vote for democracy and
Speaker 1: all those things, and yeah, that will move some people.
Speaker 1: What moves the most people, though, is being inspired. You
Speaker 1: know when when President Obama ran, people were inspired. I
Speaker 1: knew a guy, a guy in my neighborhood, my old neighborhood.
Speaker 4: He it don't matter how well.
Speaker 1: He had a pit bull and he was like a
Speaker 1: quadriplegic and I used to walk his pit bull for him,
Speaker 1: but he was just you know, he has some characters
Speaker 1: around his house all the time. And one of the
Speaker 1: dudes was there and most of the people there had
Speaker 1: served jail time before prison time. To be precise, they
Speaker 1: had served prison time.
Speaker 3: I knew all that without you saying, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but you know, for the people who may not know,
Speaker 1: I used to go over there and you know, say
Speaker 1: what's up to them and chill with them sometimes, especially
Speaker 1: when I was.
Speaker 4: Dropping off the dog.
Speaker 1: But the one dude told me that in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight there was a warrant out for his duress
Speaker 1: and he knew that at some point they were going
Speaker 1: to catch up with him, and he didn't know how
Speaker 1: voting worked. He's like, if I show up to vote, like,
Speaker 1: will something be triggered that I'm going to go to jail.
Speaker 1: So on election Day, he packed up all his stuff
Speaker 1: and like treated it like he would not come back
Speaker 1: home because he wanted his last action to be casting
Speaker 1: a ballot for President Barack Obama. He was willing to
Speaker 1: risk jail time to make sure that he showed up
Speaker 1: and cast a ballot for this man.
Speaker 4: I have not seen that level.
Speaker 1: Of inspiration in a long time, and so I think
Speaker 1: what that says is when you move with conviction, when
Speaker 1: you in the spirit of you know, Congressman Jamal Bowman,
Speaker 1: Congressman Corey Bush, when you move and thinking about the
Speaker 1: next generation and not the next election, When you move
Speaker 1: with your principles and your morals and your values, perhaps
Speaker 1: you are the person to inspire somebody who looks like you,
Speaker 1: who don't look like you, somebody who sees themselves in you.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how we do that at the local, state,
Speaker 1: and federal level, but that's what it takes. That's what
Speaker 1: it takes to get people to like, get off Instagram
Speaker 1: and you know, stop looking at what celebrities doing. What like,
Speaker 1: how can you be as excited about what's happening in
Speaker 1: politics that definitely has a direct impact on your life,
Speaker 1: not who wore what on the red carpet. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to do it. And it's no shade because
Speaker 1: they people tell me you can't shame people into voting,
Speaker 1: You can't judge people into participating. Andrew, you inspire people,
Speaker 1: you know, like people. Even now, people are like, Andrew,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Get back in the game. When
Speaker 1: we were at Essence, all the people were yelling, we
Speaker 1: voted for you, we miss you, and the mainstream media
Speaker 1: overlooked you completely. But you inspired a generation and people
Speaker 1: we are still inspire. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know how we do it, but it's next.
Speaker 3: You know, it exists in so many more places than
Speaker 3: we get to high Like I think about some of
Speaker 3: the happy warriors that I know, because I kept thinking
Speaker 3: of Tim Walls as a happy warrior. You know, he's
Speaker 3: willing to take the fight, but he's gonna smile all
Speaker 3: the way through it. And then I thought, am I
Speaker 3: buying into like the sort of the white you know
Speaker 3: mentality of that's innocent and if you were black, you
Speaker 3: couldn't could get off with that. Then I started thinking
Speaker 3: literally writing down black electeds who I thought disposition was
Speaker 3: sort of a happy fighter. They went joyously into the
Speaker 3: fight because they had purpose to what it was that
Speaker 3: they were doing. And I think I do think those
Speaker 3: people exist. But we have to be the last ones,
Speaker 3: the absolute last ones to give up on us. Everybody
Speaker 3: else is going to they would count us out. I
Speaker 3: didn't have a goddang poll leading the entire time and
Speaker 3: came in the weekend before the election that put me
Speaker 3: in fifth out of five people, but by god, one
Speaker 3: but two. But people, people making the choice to get
Speaker 3: up go out there, know that it's the one thing
Speaker 3: that you and the millionaire share in common, that one vote.
Speaker 3: And that's why I keep saying, we get these questions
Speaker 3: of what celebrities are doing and what concerts could be
Speaker 3: had to move people. There is no more powerful player
Speaker 3: to move people than you. Then you. That's why we
Speaker 3: keep saying A ride with five and y'all, this this
Speaker 3: is going to be the time to do it. If
Speaker 3: there ever was one, This is going to be the
Speaker 3: time to do it. But but let me just share
Speaker 3: and I'm going to toss it to Angela and introduce this.
Speaker 3: They're coming with guns blazing. And I don't mean that literally.
Speaker 3: I mean if it.
Speaker 4: Is that serious, it is that serious.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you these folks have plotted and planned
Speaker 3: over the last four years to overtake at the local level, intimidate, suppress,
Speaker 3: do whatever it is that they need to do to
Speaker 3: arrest democracy from the rest of us. When they get desperate,
Speaker 3: it gets dangerous for all the rest of us. And
Speaker 3: right now I can tell by the way Trump and
Speaker 3: this dude is comporting themselves they are running scared.
Speaker 4: They were scared, cornered, wounded animal.
Speaker 3: Come on. They have nothing to lose and if.
Speaker 4: Injury, we will misinformation on this everything to lose.
Speaker 3: He is running this race like his life depends on it,
Speaker 3: because it does. If he wins, all the criminality goes away.
Speaker 3: If he loses, he will be held to account and
Speaker 3: largely I believe, will lose his freedom for his remaining
Speaker 3: days on this earth. Should Kamala Harris win and he
Speaker 3: be held accountable for for what he's done. Angela, you've
Speaker 3: been reading about some of what's going on. Tell us
Speaker 3: what's what's up in Georgia as it relates to some
Speaker 3: of these schemes that the Republicans are undertaking.
Speaker 4: I sure will, and we'll do that right after this
Speaker 4: break and we'll say action. How about that?
Speaker 3: There it is.
Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 4: Just on Tuesday, Georgia's state Election board ruled that county
Speaker 4: election officials can make a reasonable a quote reasonable inquiry
Speaker 4: before certifying election results to the state, which means that
Speaker 4: they are gearing up for a fight this fall. What
Speaker 4: we know from the last election, the case that is
Speaker 4: before Fulton County's DA Fannie willis that has been put
Speaker 4: on pause for we don't know how long, perhaps indefinitely.
Speaker 4: This is that very thing. So Donald Trump is now
Speaker 4: trying to find a way through state electors, through local
Speaker 4: elected officials to ensure that he can question the legitimacy
Speaker 4: of an election by changing the rules ahead of time.
Speaker 4: They've been so caught up in distracting folks on air
Speaker 4: by saying that the Democrats have an undemocratic probut says
Speaker 4: that they threw Joe Biden off the ticket, all of
Speaker 4: these things, as if the ticket hasn't been Biden Harris
Speaker 4: since twenty twenty. She has every right now we talked
Speaker 4: about on this podcast that they would have thrown her
Speaker 4: off the ticket. Now we got a different type of
Speaker 4: undemocratic problem. She's on the ticket. This man is saying,
Speaker 4: when it is Kamala Harris versus Donald Trump in the
Speaker 4: election on November fifth, if Kamala Harris wins Georgia, this
Speaker 4: is just the first day we know about. There are
Speaker 4: other states coming. We're sure when Kamala Harris win, Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris wins in Georgia that county elected officials or county
Speaker 4: officials can say, we want to ensure that people actually
Speaker 4: cast these ballots, and we are second guessing this, and
Speaker 4: therefore we will not certify these election results until the
Speaker 4: reasonable inquiry has been fulfilled. Andrew, you know firsthand.
Speaker 1: Can I just really quickly before we move on, I
Speaker 1: just want to give a little context of this. So
Speaker 1: one Angela mentioned that it was the state election board.
Speaker 1: This is a Republican control old state election board. Two
Speaker 1: reasonable in career here. That is key because that is
Speaker 1: the point that they are trying to still post election chaos.
Speaker 4: Three.
Speaker 1: I think it is important every single time we talk
Speaker 1: about Georgia and the fuckurry that goes on there, that
Speaker 1: we remind people that this is the state where Donald
Speaker 1: Trump placed the call and asked Republican election officials to
Speaker 1: find him eleven thousand votes. The media where they trying precisely,
Speaker 1: I think it is the media praise those election officials
Speaker 1: with not doing that, as though they get credit for
Speaker 1: doing what they were supposed to do. And I thought
Speaker 1: it was inappropriate to praise them because those same people
Speaker 1: were a part of a party that has practiced voter
Speaker 1: suppression in Georgia four years. Angela said, is not just Georgia.
Speaker 1: This is right, and we don't have to wait for
Speaker 1: the other states to come. It is happening right now
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Conservatives right now are targeting the state's election
Speaker 1: manual with several lawsuits happening right now in Arizona. In Nevada, Nevada,
Speaker 1: as I'm supposed to say, an official in the state's
Speaker 1: second largest county there it has refused to certify election
Speaker 1: just because they didn't like the results, and so now
Speaker 1: they're in battled in a lawsuit. Since twenty twenty, members
Speaker 1: of state and local election boards have challenged not certifying
Speaker 1: elections more than twenty times. This is across eight states.
Speaker 1: And this is all according to Protect Democracy, which is
Speaker 1: a non partisan group that tracks these things. During the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two midterms, there were plenty of conservative and
Speaker 1: rural communities that tried to hold up state election results
Speaker 1: citing the same debunked voter fraud claims that Donald Trump has.
Speaker 1: This is concerning in Georgia because they have literally sent
Speaker 1: people to jail over these things, which I've talked about
Speaker 1: the Putnam ten here before. The Republican governor that Brian Kemp,
Speaker 1: who Donald Trump attacks all the time, is if you
Speaker 1: google him in voter suppression.
Speaker 4: He is the key of it.
Speaker 1: He has literally weaponized the GBI, the Georgia Bureau of Investigations,
Speaker 1: targeting people who do this kind of thing. So they're
Speaker 1: controlling the field, they're controlling the rules, they're controlling the play.
Speaker 1: Georgia is now officially a purple state. So this is
Speaker 1: something that we should be terribly concerned about. But for
Speaker 1: all my ata lens, you'll appreciate this. It won't be
Speaker 1: over to that fat girl indicator saying, so we got
Speaker 1: a battle.
Speaker 3: On our hands. Greater indicator that is right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Marriyettaway is better but all good, it's
Speaker 1: all good.
Speaker 3: You call it about well, answer the tiff, We're not
Speaker 3: the only ones concerned. Our listeners are concerned too. Let
Speaker 3: me talk to this question and we'll pick up on
Speaker 3: the other side. High Native Limbpod.
Speaker 4: I'm a leader from Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 9: I absolutely love the pod and have shared it with
Speaker 9: everybody I know throughout the Midwest and several counties, like
Speaker 9: seventy of them, Republicans have a plan to refuse to
Speaker 9: certify election results, thereby impacting the ability of that state
Speaker 9: to certify their state results. What can we, as the
Speaker 9: voting public do to expose and pressure those local officials
Speaker 9: aka conspirators to stop that nonsense in its tracks if
Speaker 9: they try it?
Speaker 3: Thanks, blessings, I love that, and blessings right back at you.
Speaker 3: Such a sophasiated question, and y'all we were barking up
Speaker 3: this tree before going to the question, it's important to
Speaker 3: know I want to assuage some concern and then I'll
Speaker 3: get to the recommendation, which is every state has timelines
Speaker 3: around which local, municipal and county level election results must
Speaker 3: be certified. It's usually within three days after the election
Speaker 3: has taken place summer five, but you can refer to
Speaker 3: your local and your state statues to learn what that is.
Speaker 3: After that point, there is then a state deadline by
Speaker 3: which certification must be had in all the counties in
Speaker 3: the state. If those certifications are not had in those
Speaker 3: counties and those elected officials refuse to do it, our
Speaker 3: jurisprudence system has a history of removing those elected officials
Speaker 3: who refuse to certify after being mandated to do so
Speaker 3: by the court and replacing them with individuals who will
Speaker 3: then certify those election results. Then there is the time
Speaker 3: out at which the state must certify in time for
Speaker 3: the Electoral College to convene, and then those votes be
Speaker 3: transferred to Congress, which must happen by a date certain
Speaker 3: for Congress and then account those electoral votes and declare
Speaker 3: the ultimate winner. Why do I go through that? I
Speaker 3: go through that because there are a lot of stages
Speaker 3: to this thing. And what Donald Trump and his sicophants
Speaker 3: have done in standing up legal organizations around the country
Speaker 3: to pursue this tactic is to build in the American
Speaker 3: people the belief that there is true fraud in the system.
Speaker 3: If you disagree with the outcome, it must mean that
Speaker 3: something fraudulent has happened in the system. I saw this
Speaker 3: firsthand in Florida during the two thousand election when they
Speaker 3: bust in congressional staffers on the Republican side and or
Speaker 3: Republican Conservative organizers from around the country into Broward County,
Speaker 3: Palm Beach County, Miami Dade County, having ruckus rallies in
Speaker 3: the lobbies of these supervisors of elections offices, which are
Speaker 3: largely held by Democrats who were elected in those counties,
Speaker 3: trying to basically intimidate them to do the job that
Speaker 3: they wanted them to do. In this case, they wanted
Speaker 3: them to stop counting so that the state deadline would
Speaker 3: hit for certification and any votes that are not counted
Speaker 3: by that point cannot be entered into the states or
Speaker 3: that county's tally right. They wanted to disrupt the system,
Speaker 3: and my bet is Trump is attempting to do the
Speaker 3: same thing by sowing these types of seeds. What can
Speaker 3: we do, great question. We can also activate at the
Speaker 3: local level. Most county elections offices are staffed by local volunteers, retirees,
Speaker 3: people who take time off to work the elections, folks
Speaker 3: who stand as observers to make sure that there's not
Speaker 3: a voter intimidation or misinformation being given out to voters.
Speaker 3: That is you all. If you have not already and
Speaker 3: you believe that you may have the time, please please
Speaker 3: please within your own cities and counties, figure out how
Speaker 3: you get access to the training. Sign up as a volunteer.
Speaker 3: I know they pay stipends in many counties cities around
Speaker 3: the country, and volunteer. That way you get odds on
Speaker 3: the process. If you cannot do that. Number two, when
Speaker 3: they start showing up, we show up. In fact, let's
Speaker 3: get there before they get there, because the Shenanigans that
Speaker 3: they're going to attempt to undertake in Atlanta, in Fulton County,
Speaker 3: and Philadelphia and Arizona, in all parts of Texas, what
Speaker 3: they are going to attempt is to sow seeds of chaos,
Speaker 3: and they want their voices to be louder than theirs.
Speaker 3: Y'all were not having it. They're not stealing this thing.
Speaker 3: They're not taking this thing. There's no subterfuge, there's no
Speaker 3: theft whatsoever. We are going to certify that Kamala had
Speaker 3: and Governor Waltz, who would then be a vice president elect,
Speaker 3: are able to be duly sworn into office in January
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, because that will be the outcome
Speaker 3: that the American people chose through the electoral College and
Speaker 3: through the popular vote. I claim that thing right now
Speaker 3: in his name. And now y'all, we're about to move
Speaker 3: to our CTAs so that we can give the people
Speaker 3: back the rest of the day. Thank y'all for listening, Angela.
Speaker 3: What you got for your CTA.
Speaker 4: Well, we are getting ready for souls to the polls
Speaker 4: or as Andres has arrived with five and so our
Speaker 4: ask is that you all will participate in our very
Speaker 4: unconventional polling firm here at Native Lampid. We are going
Speaker 4: to be sending you questions that we would like for
Speaker 4: you to answer by Tuesday of every week starting with
Speaker 4: this week, and we are hoping that you are away
Speaker 4: and there will be simple yes or no questions because
Speaker 4: there's probably not a lot of space for comments. But
Speaker 4: if you have comments, you know that you can also
Speaker 4: still submit those via our Instagram dms every week along
Speaker 4: with those questions. So please participate in our poll and
Speaker 4: practice voting every Tuesday. This is not voter fraud. It's
Speaker 4: just a warm up exercise in case the Republicans come
Speaker 4: for you for trying to cast too many ballots.
Speaker 3: Okay, love it for what you got.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give a shout out to Shytown. If
Speaker 1: you are in Shytown, pull up. Native Lamppod is headed
Speaker 1: your way.
Speaker 4: We will be on the ground for the.
Speaker 1: DNC happening August nineteenth through the twenty second. I will
Speaker 1: be posting later on my Instagram Angelo's personal cell phone
Speaker 1: number so she can you can text her to find
Speaker 1: out where we'll be.
Speaker 4: I believe that's docking. Is that docxing? Are you doxing me?
Speaker 1: Just make sure you follow us on Instagram because we'll
Speaker 1: let you guys know where we're going to be. But
Speaker 1: we will be broadcasting from before. We won't be doing
Speaker 1: Gavel Gavel coverage, but we will be broadcasting from the DNC,
Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll get to see you all there every
Speaker 1: day every day at the DNC.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll get to see their shy Town.
Speaker 1: And one thing I will not be doing, no shade
Speaker 1: to the shy I will not be eating any of
Speaker 1: that nasty deep dish pizza that is.
Speaker 4: Andrew.
Speaker 3: For sure we're going for sure, I'll try it, but.
Speaker 4: You'll try it. A loaf of breadis.
Speaker 1: To us where we need to eat though, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you if you want us to try deep dish
Speaker 1: where da must leave a comment something, tell us what's.
Speaker 4: Going on, where we should go, and it just had
Speaker 4: a bigger pivot than Wallas's policy. Okay, tell me where
Speaker 4: to eat it because if y'all think it could change
Speaker 4: my mind and tell me tell me. Yeah, please convince tif.
Speaker 4: We love to see tip change your mind. It's awesome.
Speaker 4: We actually appreciate human evolution on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, y'all, I'll wrap it up. I simply sign and
Speaker 3: where Angela began, which is we are getting the muscle
Speaker 3: of voting through our weekly polling. We are getting that
Speaker 3: muscle worked up if you if you stay ready, you
Speaker 3: don't have to get ready. So we're trying to get
Speaker 3: you ready for election day November twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 3: we're going to kick that off with some meaningful polls
Speaker 3: every week. We just have to vote by Tuesday and
Speaker 3: it'll provide really y'all some information that will be helpful
Speaker 3: to us, real guiding for you know what's going on
Speaker 3: in the space. I want to thank you guys everybody
Speaker 3: out there for listening, for your support, for your love
Speaker 3: and as we approach Chicago, y'all, let us know what's
Speaker 3: going on. We trying to be somewhat out in these
Speaker 3: streets now. I say that as I commit to being
Speaker 3: in my hotel room asleep when I'm not working.
Speaker 4: But anyway, free time Andrew is not going to be
Speaker 4: in nobody's streets.
Speaker 3: I don't know who but.
Speaker 1: PM, but I'm gonna get on those streets in the afternoon, y'all,
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, going so hard after after so hard.
Speaker 4: I think that is a clear indication that a r
Speaker 4: P should be a hollow back act.
Speaker 3: Like y'all know Tiff and our preregistered preregistered.
Speaker 4: When I started getting mailed from them, but they were like,
Speaker 4: we see you go to bed at three am, so
Speaker 4: right after your supper, if.
Speaker 3: Y'all send me a discount call, that's all. Like I'm
Speaker 3: on about no, no, no, we were talking about the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you know at this point this is
Speaker 4: officially an ad for them, so we should up one
Speaker 4: casual mention. Y'all did it eighteen times? You know?
Speaker 3: This is a great time.
Speaker 1: Can we welcome home, y'all?
Speaker 3: Oh, y'all, yeah, that's import day.
Speaker 4: How did we get here, y'all? Owing by so fast?
Speaker 1: Well it ain't over to that back girl Indicata saying
Speaker 1: we'll see y'all in.
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