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Speaker 1: Unpacking the toolboxes of production of Schondoland Audio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. Katie Hi Ja Hi Katie Hioka, Curly cook

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Speaker 1: curly curly. My second grade teacher used to always missus kaylish.

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Speaker 1: She was so mean, but she would always sing cooka Cokatie,

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Speaker 1: My beautiful Katie. There's some fucking song, remember I know?

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Speaker 1: To you? She would sing it to you to me

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Speaker 1: when I entered the classroom game is there any childhood

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Speaker 1: song where Guillermo is a name? Hell no, remember romper Room.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're suit You're much younger than I am.

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Speaker 1: But there was no show called Romper Room. And the

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Speaker 1: and be like, I see you Tommy and Katie and

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Speaker 1: John and Barbara and Ted, and like, how about in

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Speaker 1: New York when you go into the trinket stores and

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Speaker 1: a little pencil with like Katie's always on there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's always in a variation of spellings. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: might get Katie, which is how I spell it. There

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Speaker 1: might be kat why whatever, But you are just straight

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Speaker 1: up fun. No. They would be like, well, get a,

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Speaker 1: William William is garm I'm like, is William gear Well?

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Speaker 1: William is like the English version of Guillermo. So my friends,

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Speaker 1: you know, teachers and um my, my friends I couldn't

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Speaker 1: pronounce Giarmo would call me Willie like Willie was my

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Speaker 1: Oh God, not Willie call you that from now? Please?

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Speaker 1: I like it. I actually like it. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: Willie tatted on me. I don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: tell Willie Willie Willie William that. Um, I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of extra kick and pep in my step today,

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Speaker 1: do you why? Well, because we have the most exciting

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Speaker 1: guest for our listeners today. I mean we're obsessed with her.

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Speaker 1: We're obsessed with her and obsessed with us. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean clearly. I mean, and there is no scandal without

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Speaker 1: this person about this person's performance. Yea. And honestly, she

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Speaker 1: changed my life in like every way, because well, that's

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Speaker 1: just because that's the person she is. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone who has been lucky enough to spend time with

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Speaker 1: the one and only Number one of Scandal could say

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Speaker 1: that she hadn't changed their life, because that's just the

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Speaker 1: magnitude of human that she is. Yes, she's fucking hilarious. Ye,

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Speaker 1: that's the other thing, Like, Okay, she's an activist, she's

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Speaker 1: the best actress ever. She's a director, she's a producer.

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Speaker 1: She's been on Broadway, she's been in movies. She's led

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Speaker 1: the Democratic National Convention. She's ridiculously the accolades and the

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Speaker 1: respect and all of that, but girl is fucking hill.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things about Carrie is remember

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Speaker 1: laughing with her on set, Like laughing with her was

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Speaker 1: so much fun, so so much fun. And look, I

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Speaker 1: wear my shirt that says Queen, because Carrie is the queen.

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Speaker 1: She's our queen, and she's our queen of Scandal. And

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Speaker 1: she also was the best number one. Yes, I honestly

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Speaker 1: think this business has ever seen. She's spoiled. Ye spoiled

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Speaker 1: all of other TV shows that I was a regular

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Speaker 1: my number one after Scandal was like anything that I

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Speaker 1: ever got. Yeah. Yeah, it was like you're no Kerry Washington. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean she was and also how I behaved on set,

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Speaker 1: Like I truly think there was like speeches made. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously you guys have heard on the podcast that well,

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Speaker 1: so there were so many goodbyes. But they kept saying

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Speaker 1: over and over again that everyone who was lucky enough

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Speaker 1: other sets, of their other jobs, knowing that this type

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Speaker 1: you could strive for that and like exist, you should

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Speaker 1: But my god, this woman, I mean, she didn't. Every

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Speaker 1: time she got nominated for an award, which was all lot,

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Speaker 1: she would gather the entire crew do you remember this shit?

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Speaker 1: Rather gather the entire crew and cast and just like

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Speaker 1: and and Carrie is like saying, like, thank you so

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Speaker 1: not only you can't do yeah, And not only do

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Speaker 1: we have Carrie Washington on this episode, we have a

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Speaker 1: plethora of other amazing guest actors. One of my favorites

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Speaker 1: Newberne is in this episode who plays Charlie Freaking Kate

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Speaker 1: this episode he Doys did in this episode. Yo Bellamy

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Speaker 1: because she's not a regular yet on the show. Bellamy

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Speaker 1: for a second season. And by the way, we're talking

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Speaker 1: today about episode one oh seven called Grant for the People,

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Speaker 1: which aired on May seventeenth and twenty twelve. It was

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Speaker 1: written by Shanda Rhymes, our other queen. There were two

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Speaker 1: queens to make Scandal, Shawn Carry and it was directed

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Speaker 1: by Roxanne Dawson. But at the time that we shot

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Speaker 1: That's because shit rolls down hill and carry. Yeah. Never, yes,

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Speaker 1: Shannon Cochrane is the Attorney General Sawyer. Mark Harrelick is

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Speaker 1: the Press secretary. Marvin Colgate, You're fired, Marvin. That's my

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Speaker 1: favorite by Aaron. Marvin. Get the fuck out. The synopsis

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Speaker 1: the stuff that. Really, what are you doing to me? Willie? Willie?

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Speaker 1: Like truly, I think so. I think you thrive on.

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Speaker 1: without further a duty, Without further a duty, we would

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Speaker 1: like to present We're the stupidest. We would like to

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Speaker 1: present the one, the only, the Queen, the the i'm a,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I prefer the five am, four

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Speaker 1: I'm like, those were pretty special insane times. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: women were throwing themselves at Tony Goldwyn and I was like,

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00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening. But before that, your dad,

426
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Earl said something like I know when I'm making this

427
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: up in my head, but it was something like I said, say,

428
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: the Last Dance was going to be the biggest thing ever,

429
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: and I'm saying it right here, right now, Scandal is

430
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: going to be huge, almost like Earls got the crystal ball.

431
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: He knows. And by the way, like, you know, my dad.

432
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: It's so funny because my dad is such a a dreamer.

433
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: He's like he really sees beyond the possibilities of what's

434
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: real and so like that, you know, he gave me

435
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: permission to dream big in my life. You know, I

436
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: always feel like my mother's the one who taught me

437
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: how to be practical and work ethic, But my dad

438
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: gave me that ability to be the big dreamer. And

439
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: he really he saw the potential of this show from

440
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the beginning, which I'm so great, but he and he

441
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: would whenever we would encounter your parents. They were the

442
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: biggest fans of the show. They were the biggest I mean,

443
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: I'll stay right here with you guys. Your dad was

444
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: like and your mom were like, we love Hook, yes,

445
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: and give me so much love. And I was like,

446
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: oh my god. But he was sincere and honest. It

447
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, like, oh, it's Carrie's parents saying, yeah,

448
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: we love the show, you were great on it. They

449
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: were truly like, no, sit down for a second with me,

450
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: and let's talk about Hook because he's special around. There's

451
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: scandal like raincoats. Yes, they they're set jackets. They still

452
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: wear them. You know. My dad has a bit of

453
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: an obsession with Scott Foley. I think I told you

454
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: he's in he's in love. My father's in love. One

455
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: day we were in the car, my parents were visiting

456
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: set as always, and um and I was driving them

457
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: home from set, and my little green Prius and I

458
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: remember and my dad super quiet on the ride, and

459
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he says, you know what, I

460
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: think that it was Scott Foley's nose that Michael Jackson

461
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: was going for random. I love it, Dad thinks about that. Yeah,

462
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: like the heat that, like Scott Folly has the epitome

463
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: of like a gorgeous Anglican male. If the richest, you know,

464
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: talented pop star in the world was like I could

465
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: pick any nose in the world, it would be Scott foleys.

466
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 1: And I was like, Dad, you're obsessing about Scott Folly's

467
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: nose on the way home. So funny. We'll be right back, guys. Wait.

468
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: In one oh seven is the episode where Carrie found

469
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: out that Gearmo Diaz liked boys. Yeah, this episode, I'll

470
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: never forget it because she went the whole first season

471
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: not knowing. I hate that. I hate that because I

472
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: don't want you to have one moment of feeling like, well,

473
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: why don't you tell me? You know? No, I'm just

474
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: such you know what it is, because I you know,

475
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: I put my head in the sand with the work.

476
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like so in the work, and I wasn't

477
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: as into the gossip, which I also was a little

478
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: strategic because I was like, I don't want to be

479
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: in the gossip. I kind of want to be Switzerland

480
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to the castle. Ye. So, but I

481
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: remember turning to you and saying like, so, Gearmo, do

482
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you have a girlfriend. And I was like, kind of,

483
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He's so sexy and he's so funny

484
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: and he's so smart and I'm taken, but boy, like

485
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I set him up if he's out with somebody's so hot.

486
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: You also, you were you were more quiet for season.

487
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's not only like Carrie was not. You know,

488
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: that was a great player, but Garmo also wasn't. Like

489
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: the only reason I knew was because I was like,

490
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: where do you live? And he was like close to

491
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: the parade, and I was like, what parade are you?

492
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about Saint Patrick? And I was game, Oh,

493
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. It was that seeky way of coming out.

494
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: Do you think, well, Santa Monica, like you know, it's great,

495
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Like that's like he either said him right by the paraders.

496
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: So I go to the parade and I was like,

497
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: what parade are we told? But also you guys got

498
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: to remember I was born in the eighties like I was,

499
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, a teenager, and in my twenties during a

500
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: time where this ship wasn't like people were like, all great,

501
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: last time you and your boyfriend over, or like I

502
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: was still very like guarded and like I don't know

503
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: if this is gonna change. Play all the roles people know, yes, yes, yes,

504
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: such a trailblazer, and such a trailblazer, like being out

505
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: letting people not and also like just saying, actually, now

506
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: that I think about it, I think that you were

507
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: really inspiring for me in terms of like when I

508
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: got to a place where I was like, Okay, I'm

509
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: not going to deny my personal life, but I also

510
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: don't need to plaster it everywhere like you were. Just

511
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm living my life for me. I'm in my truth

512
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: for me. I'm not going to hide who I am,

513
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: and I'm still going to play all the roles like

514
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be with women, I'm gonna be

515
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: with men. I'm gonna be all of who I am

516
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: and as an artist and also be in my truth

517
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: as a human. So that means, oh, garmo is I

518
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: remember running home and being like, oh is he out publicly,

519
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: because even at the beginning of Scandal, I feel like actors,

520
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I think even a lot has changed in the last

521
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: ten years, and I hope it continues to do so.

522
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: But I can remember in the beginning of Scandal me

523
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: being like, I don't know if he's like out publicly,

524
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: because I think that that's like a choice that actors

525
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: make and whether or not they are do you talk

526
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: about it or don't, And it's like a whole fucking thing.

527
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: And I remember going home and being like, oh no,

528
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: he's like really like out publicly. He's been in like

529
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: gay magazines and like all this time. I remember the

530
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: time I had done a movie called Stonewall about the

531
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Stone all riots nine and I was the lead. I

532
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: was a drag queen in it, and I remember my

533
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: managers saying, you have to make a choice. Are you

534
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing a lot of press. Are you

535
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna say you're gay? We think you shouldn't say you're gay,

536
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: or are you gonna say you're you're straight? You know

537
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I had to make it, and

538
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'm freaking lying. And

539
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: from that point on, I was like I don't care, like,

540
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: this is who I am. If people don't want to

541
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: work with me, then fine, then I don't want to

542
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: work with them either. But I was like, I cannot

543
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: be that person who's like, oh, there's no way, I'm

544
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: too anxious for that ship. I was like, oh my gosh,

545
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: when I'm going back and watching these episodes, which honestly

546
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: carry you like not being my friend in one of

547
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: the great loves of my life, I cannot believe the

548
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: acting you did in this part. You remember, like before

549
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: the pilot, building all these things like her walk and

550
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: her like neck tilt of like, and I just can't

551
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: believe the person you built in your preparation for her.

552
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Did you coach with someone build her from the outside in?

553
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Was it you're fitting with Lynn Paolo? Like? How? Or

554
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: did she? Was it a slow burn? Like I like,

555
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: how did she come to be? No? It was actually

556
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: really interesting. I remember I remember working with Colleen on

557
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: the audition, and I felt like, you know a lot

558
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: of times when you are just meeting material. For me,

559
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: the first work for that first hour was like what

560
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: do I know about this? Where do I connect with her?

561
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: How do I reveal myself in this? Right? Like? How

562
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: do I find the places where she and I meet

563
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: and then let the rest of it kind of fall away.

564
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: So it was a lot of bringing myself to it.

565
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: But also that point in my career I had developed

566
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: sort of Red Carpet Carrie who was a version of me.

567
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: But it was like the version of me that I

568
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: was learning to cultivate that wore fancy outfits and could

569
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: go to all these premiers of all these movies I

570
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: was in, and so she was like a larger than

571
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: life version of me who stood differently and walked differently,

572
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways, Olivia Pope was like

573
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: her presentation of self in the world was a little

574
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: bit Red Carpet Carrie, and then her her inner messy

575
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: emotional life was more my inner, messy emotional life. So

576
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: that was kind of the job in the pilot. But

577
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: then I remember meeting with Susan Batson again. I trained

578
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: with Susan Batson and with Colleen Barry. Barry at the

579
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: time maybe no basis to her Mary name is basis,

580
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: but training with both of them for the audition, and

581
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: I remember saying to Susan after I got it, how

582
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: do I do this for all these episodes? Now because

583
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to just be myself on TV, like

584
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I have to figure out how to be specific about

585
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: where she ends and I begin. I felt like I

586
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: didn't have to be that specific in the pilot. I

587
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: was willing to be really messy about that. But I

588
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: was like, if I don't start to have some delineation

589
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: about where she and ten months of the year, like,

590
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: that's now I go back to myself. You know, how

591
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: do I return to who I am? So the clothes

592
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: helped a lot. The shoes, like, I don't know if

593
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: you guys remember, but I would roll up up set

594
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: at crew call and be in sweatpants, but I always

595
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: had to have my foot on your heel. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: I remember you never ever ever, First of all, opposite

597
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm a hack. I didn't wear my shoes as long

598
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: as humanly possible, which actually, you know what, no fuck that,

599
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a hack. I've heard that Viola Davis does

600
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: all of her Bessie and barefoot or an ugs because

601
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: there either Harry and Olivia. Pope was like, I've never

602
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: I never saw you in rehearsal without your shoes on. No,

603
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I felt like they were really important for how to

604
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: stand and how to walk, and then I figured out

605
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 1: how to be her barefoot in my apartment. But but

606
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: I always had to come if if I was going

607
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: to be in shoes in the scene, I had to

608
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: be in her shoes otherwise I wouldn't know where in

609
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: the room I would be. I just w that was

610
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: sort of a real way into her, and all the

611
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: cost seems were a huge part of it, Lynn Pawlow,

612
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: because I felt like that was her armor the way

613
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: you know her her expertise was storytelling and narrative and

614
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: how people present in the world. So I knew that

615
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: how she presented in the world had to be really specific,

616
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: really on point, elegant, smart. So yeah, all that stuff

617
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: really really really really helped. And then giving over to

618
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the language, you know, in that like David mahmit way

619
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and that Shana Ram's way, like just giving over to

620
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: the language. She she was there, she was in the world.

621
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't speak like that, but she's in the words. Yeah.

622
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: And when when something is written really well, it's it

623
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: flows out of your mouth so easily, it's so satisfying,

624
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: it's like delicious to say the words. Right. This chemistry

625
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: between you and Tony Goldwin is the stupidest shit I've

626
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Like, I'm so wildly uncomfortable.

627
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe how good it is. I can't believe

628
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: how steamy it is. I love you both as people

629
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: and individuals. I can't even believe what was happening. Yeah,

630
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: and I'm curious, Like in the pilot, you guys make

631
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: out in the corner beneath like a curtain, and then

632
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: in to get away from the cameras, and then in

633
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: this episode the finale, again you look up and you

634
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: have a kiss, and he says to jog your memory, Like,

635
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: if I resign or if I get arrested, you know whatever,

636
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: for sleeping with Amanda Tan or whatever, at least I

637
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: can be a normal person. I can be with you

638
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: and you like my kiss. But oh, we've also in

639
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: season two, which Gamon and I are were ahead, you know,

640
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: because we're such prepared people and learning number one. We

641
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: just watched the episode. I also just watched the episode

642
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: where you and he were like screwing in the break

643
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: room that has all the cool green Yes, Christening, it

644
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: was your prisoning outfit. It was sort of like nineteen sixties.

645
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: It was a very beautiful Jackie. Oh exactly what killed

646
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: me about this chemistry thing? Tell me about you and Tony.

647
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk about it or were you just

648
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: like it's bigger than both of us and thank god

649
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: because it made everyone want to watch the show. Um,

650
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: it's such a good question. I don't think we talked

651
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: about it because I don't think we knew until audiences

652
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: were watching it. We were just like two actors doing

653
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: our job. It wasn't like the first time, no, you

654
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: know what the maybe I need to be honest. That

655
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: is how we felt on set. But when we camera tested,

656
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: when we did hair and makeup tests for the show,

657
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: we did had yeah, weber that. I remember like doing

658
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: the thing you walk on camera, you're in the clothes

659
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: and with the hair, and then Tony comes in and

660
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: we're walking together, and I remember Shanda and Betsy freaking

661
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: out at the monitors and I was like, what's happening

662
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: And they were like, you guys are just magic together

663
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: and we were like, okay, so we have this sense,

664
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: but I knew Tony. So Tony and I had both

665
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: done a lot of work with this organization called the

666
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Creative Coalition, which is a political advocacy organization ironically, and

667
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: he was co president at the time, and so my

668
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: I had never worked with Tony as an actor, but

669
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: our interactions as human beings had been walking up and

670
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: down the halls of Congress and at the White House

671
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: talking to people about arts funding and arts for the

672
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: humanity and funding for the humanities, and so I had

673
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: we had this like weirdly DC context for each other,

674
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: and we had a great deal of respect for each

675
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: other as like thinking human beings and as politically minded individuals,

676
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, I remember saying to Saanda, like,

677
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: who's going to be the president on the show? Like,

678
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: who's going to be the president? And I learned at

679
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: some like CIA. It was either at their Oscar party

680
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: or their Emmy party, and Tony's manager was there and

681
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: he came up to me and he was like, Tony's

682
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: doing it, and I was like, yes, just because I

683
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: knew how smart he was and he felt and Shonda

684
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: said to me she felt like he was the right

685
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: person because he had directed at Gray's early on, and

686
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: she knew that whoever was going to play the president

687
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: was somebody who had to have executive like somebody who

688
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: felt like they could tell people what to do, like

689
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: they could boss people around and have like, you know,

690
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: real intelligence and leadership. And she had seen that in

691
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: him as a director, so I had a lot of

692
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: respect for him. I loved him already as a person,

693
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: and we just hoped it worked. We just we hoped

694
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: it worked. And you can't really plan that stuff, right,

695
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't plan that your chemistry is going

696
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: to work on camera? Really, no, right, I will say

697
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: for me, I and this is I'm a little bit

698
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: of a chemistry slut, like I am. I do. I

699
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: don't want to say it, but you're good at it.

700
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I never worry about having chemistry. Was the only time

701
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: I can't have chemistry with an actor is if that

702
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: actor has decided that they don't want to have chemistry

703
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: with me. And I've been in those situations like walking

704
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: into an audition where it's like down to me and

705
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: one other girl and the lead actor has clearly wants

706
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the other girl, and I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, here's what.

707
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I don't have chemistry if they if I don't like

708
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: their smell, Like I'm just such a pheromone person, and

709
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: I have been teamed up. I've been like I've had

710
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: so many love interests on different things, and sometimes I

711
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like, I don't know this so like

712
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: and I am acting and I'm just like acting so

713
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: much because I have what I call the ick for

714
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: like the person, like I just like have this, like

715
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to. But then I'm like, okay, it's

716
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: a paycheck, it's pyech like, let's do this. Yeah, um,

717
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: that's so there. Here's the other thing that and you

718
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: we would have to im sorry you say chemistry slunt,

719
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: what does that mean? It means like that when it

720
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: comes to finding ways to love a character. For for

721
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: me to feel like my character really loves or likes

722
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: another character, I don't find that hard. And I don't

723
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: know if that's the aquarious in me that like, I

724
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: just really like people and I see the good in

725
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: people and I like it. I like a lot of

726
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: different kinds of people, and so I don't I don't

727
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: usually have a hard time. In the history of Schaele,

728
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: There's maybe been one actor where I was like, oh shit,

729
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: let's not I guess. I guesses most of the love

730
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: interests are like, you know, there are guys that I

731
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: get along with, and so you're like I can figure

732
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: this out, Like, yeah, it's sort of this idea of

733
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: like there's somebody for everybody. Everybody's lovable in some way.

734
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Can you look for the thing that's like that person's

735
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: not for me, right, like, not everybody's for me, am

736
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I really, but for their character you can fall in

737
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: love with something in them that you can get you.

738
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: And also your chemistry was not only great with love

739
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: interest people, but it was also great with like Quinn

740
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: and with oh my god, Abby this friendship. Yeah yeah,

741
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: and also Scott Foley right like that, and it was sod,

742
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: are you team fits or you know like that, Yeah,

743
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: that's very I think that that also both of those guys,

744
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: by the way, are I'm so lucky to have been

745
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: able to have those two guys because they're the best, dude.

746
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: But that's such a great example, right, because they're also

747
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: so different, like Scott Foley and Tony Goldwin. You could

748
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: not find completely different different. But I was like, I'll

749
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: figure this out with these guys and their characters, I

750
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: will say, and we should ask Tony's permission before we

751
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: whether this should stay in or not. But one of

752
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: the amazing things that happened though, was I think it

753
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: was during season two. Tony said something. We were in

754
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: like one of our canoodling bedroom scenes in Olivia Polpe's bed,

755
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and he said something we were talking about like life

756
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: and love and marriage, just like talking and he said

757
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: something that I said, Oh, that's so interesting, because my

758
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: therapist said something like that to me last week. And

759
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: he looked at me and he said, who's your therapist.

760
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: We found out that we had the same tree. Oh

761
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: my god, oh god, the odds of that. He wasn't

762
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: currently seeing this person but I still was, and you

763
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: mention it to the therapist. My therapist was like, yeah,

764
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: I know. Like he was like, there's not a surprise

765
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: to me, but of course he couldn't have told me. Yeah, yeah,

766
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: but isn't that great? And it also helped so much

767
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: because I had I felt like, you know, Tony and

768
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: I had such great boundaries, boundaries with each other, like

769
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: we were able to be in this like incredibly romantic space,

770
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: but our boundaries as adult, as like responsible human beings

771
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: were very clear. The ultimate respect for his wife, He

772
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: is the ultimate respect for my husband. Like we there

773
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: was never any despite the tabloids, there was never any

774
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: messy between he and I. We were like really responsible,

775
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: accountable grown ups, you know, respectful of each other in

776
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: each other's lives while still like taking those deep risks

777
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: as actors. And also what a scary thing to be

778
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: Like most people, if you get paired up as a

779
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: love interest in a movie or something like the thing

780
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: is over in three months or whatever. But for you

781
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: to have a love interest that's seven years long, Yeah,

782
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: that's insane. After like, that's like in stat or my husband,

783
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: Tony Goldwin is the person in my life who I've

784
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: made out the longest because the boyfriend I was with

785
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: but seven years, four or five years. Yeah, Tony after

786
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Godwin's the guy that I, you know, kiss the weird

787
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: so so weird while weird so weird. This is the

788
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: last episode in this season and the last episode, I

789
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: guess of season one of Unpacking the Toolbox. This podcast

790
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox so cute because of you guys and

791
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: your toolbox. Yeah, so there's this, like I think the

792
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: winning scene of this episode is so we had mentioned

793
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: you and fits sort of kiss and you're like you

794
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: look up and you're like cameras and he's like I

795
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: don't give a shit, and you guys kiss anyway, because

796
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: guess what if I go to jail or I resign,

797
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I can be whoever I want to be and I

798
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: can marry you. And then you see Olivia sort of

799
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: make the decision like, oh, hell no, this isn't going

800
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: to happen. So you go to Melly and you two

801
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: have Bellamy's like first big scene. At this time, Bellamy

802
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: is not a serious and the scene is like, you

803
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: didn't do your job. You let that girl get in

804
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: you let that girl, Amanda tan Or get in his pants.

805
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm working my fucking ass off as the

806
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: face and the wife and this that and the other thing.

807
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: And you've fucked up. You stopped being his mistress and

808
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: you let him get away, and this is all your

809
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: fault that he wants to resign. And this is really

810
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: where we see Bellamy step into Melly, and from that

811
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: scene you go and arrange a with with fits not

812
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: even having a say in it. You arrange a interview

813
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: on national television where she says that was me on

814
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: the sext right clothes, and so I'm so embarrassed. This

815
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: is how Olivia and her planned together, working together to

816
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: spin it, which is we're seeing the beginning of how

817
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: we ended the series with Melie together, that you're doing this.

818
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So you two start working together and be

819
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: this political animal where you decide that Fitz is not resigning.

820
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: It was you on the sex tape, but we're gonna

821
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: lie and say it was Mellie, and then she's going

822
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: to fake being pregnant. So by the end of this series,

823
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: the two of them have to go off quickly and

824
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: like have sex and have and make a baby. But

825
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the Mellie Olivia like when they

826
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: work together, it's like, holy shit, And we learned that

827
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: Olivia's like, oh, hell no, I don't want to settle

828
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: down and be normal. I mean, one of your memorable

829
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: lines is being normal is overrated. In this episode, it's

830
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: the first time you see Olivia and you're like, oh wow,

831
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: she And another memorable line in this episode is when

832
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: Cyrus says, some men aren't meant to be happy, They're

833
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: meant to be great. And I think that sort of

834
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: connected to Olivia as well, because I think she felt

835
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: that way too, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah,

836
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: she says, don't go be the man. I voted for yes,

837
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: but all of us are like, you mean the man

838
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: that you the election for me? Okay, okay, well I voted.

839
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: But the fact that you that you chose not to

840
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: settle down with Fits, that Olivia chose not to go

841
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: that route. I mean, he speaks volumes to who. Olivia

842
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: was right, she knew her life was beyond that, Like

843
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: she didn't want that. She was like, oh wait a minute,

844
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: wait wait, no, no no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good

845
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: being the most powerful woman in DC right now. Yeah,

846
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: so good, so wild. The show figured out what it

847
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: was while it was happening, Like, it wasn't predestined that

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Speaker 1: Mellie would be Melly, you know. So can you talk

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Speaker 1: to us quickly about like when you realize that so

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Speaker 1: much of this show was going to be relationships between

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Speaker 1: you and Jake and Fits, and that Melly was going

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Speaker 1: to be like a very big part of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't, it's so hard. I don't remember having a

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Speaker 1: lot of perspective about what the show is about while

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00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: we were doing it. It was so la. It was

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00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: a scene moment to moment like we were just on

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Speaker 1: this I mean, we were on this rocket ship. I

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00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: remember Josh Melina seeing the second episode during lunch, the

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Speaker 1: second or third episode during lunch while we were filming,

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Speaker 1: and that like room. We would sometimes get upstairs where

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Speaker 1: we had table reads. And he turned to me and

862
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: he was like, you can carry a show. And like

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Speaker 1: coming from Josh Maline Out who was like I watched

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Speaker 1: all through college on West Wing, was like obsessed, Like

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Speaker 1: you're so pitical that show. Yes, it was the show

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Speaker 1: I had. Both Colleen and our friend Jody. We used

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Speaker 1: to get together and cook recipes from the Moosewood Cookbook

868
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Speaker 1: and watch West Wing every week. Um, but we like

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Speaker 1: so when he said that, I was like, I just

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00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: remember being like, oh my god, oh my god, oh

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Speaker 1: my god. I hope he's right. And then I remember

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Speaker 1: you also because I didn't know I had mostly done movies,

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00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: but I remember sitting in the hair makeup trail and Katie.

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Speaker 1: You were like episode three and I was like what

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00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: about it? And you were like the script is really

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00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: good and I was like okay. You're like, well that's

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00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: when you know if you have a show or not.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh really, oh god, try Katie out, yea,

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00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: check you out, Katie. Well it's easy to make two.

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00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: You were like things fall Aparted episode three. Yeah, you're like,

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00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: episode three is when you really have to know whether

882
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Speaker 1: you can make a show. And I was like, oh,

883
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: that's exciting because I think this episode is pretty good.

884
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Speaker 1: I just was so green, you guys, I didn't know anything.

885
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything. You're calling us to do backstories, like,

886
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone does that, but what I mean

887
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: they do in movies. Business of it, the business of it,

888
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I was so green about, and like the the TV

889
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: of it, I was so green about. So I wasn't

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Speaker 1: green as an as an actor, Like as an actor,

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00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: I was so invested and felt like I was just like,

892
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, the hog and mud like. So it doing

893
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: everything I wanted to be doing. But I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what it meant. I didn't know what the marketing men

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I just you know, yeah, I

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00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: just moment to moment, I just wanted yeah, and it speaks.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like, it's about the work. Right. It sounds

898
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: like sort of corny and cliche, but it's it's about

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Speaker 1: the work. If the work is good and everything else

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00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: that we have no control over, right, that that'll either

901
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: fall into blaze or it won't and it and yes, yes, yes,

902
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Speaker 1: And what I what I'm really proud of sitting here

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Speaker 1: right now in this moment is also that it was

904
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: about the process and the people. Because I remember so

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Speaker 1: much more about your first house that you bought, Katie.

906
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: I remember so much more about game or your conversations

907
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: about going back home in New York and what that

908
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: was like, and like are the reveal of the clothing

909
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: in the sacks windows and your parents waving at us

910
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: through the window. Forget it. I'll never forget that. These

911
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: little details I remember more than any episode of the

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Speaker 1: show we ever shot, because I was so invested in

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00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: you as people. I was invested in our like we

914
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: were on this rocket ship and we couldn't control like

915
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Mars and the comets and the stars, and like we didn't,

916
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: but on ship, we had each other. And I'm really

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00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: proud of how we did that. It really all stems

918
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Speaker 1: from you, Kerry, I'm serious. And the other thing about

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Speaker 1: all of this pressure and everything about being the first

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Speaker 1: black woman in forty years to be on a show,

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Speaker 1: I remember, for one second, like I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you ever felt this, or maybe I put this in

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Speaker 1: my head that you said this in or I remember

924
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: you being like, this has to succeed, Like what would

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00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: have happened had it not? Yeah, I knew, I knew

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Speaker 1: we failed. It would be another forty years. But instead,

927
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Speaker 1: because we didn't fail, we got to have How to

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Speaker 1: get Away, and we got to have Brianka Chopra and

929
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Speaker 1: her show. We got to have all these women of

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Speaker 1: color leading network shows Station nineteen, Like, we got to

931
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Speaker 1: have this world where women of color were number ones

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Speaker 1: on the call sheet and it was no longer a

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Speaker 1: big quote unquote risks. Anyway, I love you guys so much.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how fun this first season of

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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolboxes such a freaking blast. It's been such

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Speaker 1: a blast. I hope I hope we get to do

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00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: like listen, like every single season. I hope we do

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Speaker 1: all seven seasons. And that's to you all listening too. Yeah, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys like it, Tell your friends and we'll give

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Speaker 1: you more life. We'll bring you more behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: hot goss from Yeah, We're going to bring all the

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Speaker 1: guests more superstars. That's right, peace. Hopefully the next episode

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Speaker 1: up is two h one White Hats Off, Yeah, premier

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Speaker 1: of the second season but come on, you guys, give

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Speaker 1: me a fucking break. The first season, we brought to

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Speaker 1: you Shan Rhymes, we brought to you Tony Golden, we

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00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: brought to you Lives a Wheel. We brought you Cary Washington.

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Speaker 1: and also because as per usual, I just want to

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Speaker 1: hang out. We just want to Willy Willie Diaz all,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love you so much. Hi, everyone,

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