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Interesting report and analysis is from the 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal about the rise of part time work. 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. Their headline is 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: burned down. More Americans are turning to part time jobs. 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: The number of people working part time rose by one 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: point two million in December and January. Most were people 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: who chose it, so they're not being forced into it. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: And the quote they have here is twenty five hours 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: is the new thirty five. Let me give you a 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: few more of the numbers here. So as I said, 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: it rose by one point two million, and most of 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: that increase eight hundred and fifty seven thousand workers part 21 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: time workers was driven by people who work part time 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: by choice, not because they were unable to find full 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: time work or because their hours were cut. The total 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: number of people working part time voluntarily twenty two point 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: one million in January, is now almost six times the 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: four point one million who were working part time but 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: who are working part time but would prefer full time hours. 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: That's the highest ratio in two decades, and of course 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: looks very different from the first months of the pandemic 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: when there was a huge crash and people were just 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: taking whatever work that they could find. Now you have 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: people who you know, this is part of a whole 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: reorientation that we've been talking about here for a long time, 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: where people who are in the fortunate position where they 35 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: don't have to work full time are reassessing their life 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: priorities and they're saying, hey, maybe instead of the sixty hours, 37 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: maybe I work three days a week, and maybe I 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: have more time with my kids. Maybe I'm spending more 39 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: time on hobbies. Maybe I have an interest or a 40 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: small business that I want to get off the ground, 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: And they're changing their whole set of priorities within their 42 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: life in a way that I think is possible. Reminds 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: me of the four day week study that has been 44 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: making the round. Yeah, I was thinking about that. To 45 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: fifteen percent of workers who participated in the studies said 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: no amount of money on earth would convince them to 47 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: go back to five work like a lot of sale. 48 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: It's like you're saying a lot of people who are 49 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: mid thirties, even sometimes not even with kids, are deciding 50 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: to quit their job. They're transitioning into part time work 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: and they're just pursuing either hobbies or a lot of 52 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: them are just spending a lot more time with families. 53 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: So this is a big part time revolution. I mean, still, 54 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: it's only sixteen percent, but the trend line with the 55 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: highest ratio since two decades also shows you where things 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: are headed in terms of preference, and that is going 57 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: to bleed into the bigger companies who are just going 58 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: to have to make it work. They'll either move to 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: like a four day work week, which is longer, or 60 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: a ton more hybridization. You basically, if you're hiring right 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: now for a generic white collar job, good luck trying 62 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: to say five day a week in person. That is 63 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: very rare. With the choicest workforce. People just won't take it. 64 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: They'll say, no, I'm not going to do it anymore. Right. Well, 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean the four day work week thing is actually 66 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: really important piece to bring up because this was a 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: huge trial. It's the largest study that they've done on 68 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: four day work week, and they basically found workers were happier, 69 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: they were less stressed, they got as much stuff done, 70 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: and the companies at the end of it almost all 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: uniformly continued it. Yes, because so it wasn't just good 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: for the workers, Like the corporations themselves found that this 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: was beneficial for them. So I think more employers need 74 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: to and should lean into the idea of all right, 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: we don't have the standard forty hour work week. People 76 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: are still expected to, you know, to deliver, but getting 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: out of this archaic idea of what matters is the 78 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: number of like hours that you literally have your butt 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: in the chair. And some of that rethinking certainly happened 80 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: during the pandemic when obviously people are forced to work 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: remotely and this is all you know, white collar office 82 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: workers that we're talking here, which is, you know, a 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: sort of relatively privileged group. But that forced a rethink 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: on the part of workers for sure. And I feel 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: like the boss class is kind of, you know, they're 86 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: kind of late to catch up to a new way 87 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: of thinking about these things instead of embracing like, listen, 88 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: if you get your work done, you get your work done. 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't really care what you're doing with your day 90 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: or what hours you're doing it in. They're going in 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: the direction of what sort of surveillance technology can we 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: invest in and make sure that your like eyes are 93 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: on the screen for the right percentage of time, or 94 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: that you're like doing whatever you're supposed to be doing 95 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: during the technical office hours. So I do feel like 96 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: they're a little bit late to the trend here. They're 97 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: not going to win. There's no question flexibility is here 98 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: to say, it will be the growing trend now for 99 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: decades and we're all just trying to figure it out. 100 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. I think people should 101 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: have more flexibility, and especially you know, if you can 102 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: go full if you can go part time and make 103 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: it work, and you know, it also opens up the 104 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: whole swads of the country. A lot of people literally 105 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: only where they live because of the commute. I mean, 106 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: what if you don't have to what if you know 107 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: you can live an hour outside. And they quote one 108 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: guy who's like a part time tech worker who move 109 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: started a new family farm with his parents and raise 110 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: his chickens. That sounds nice. It would never be able 111 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: to do that if you didn't, if you didn't have 112 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: this flexibility. So anyway, yeah, it's great work. As like 113 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: a religion, has been the case for certainly our entire lives. 114 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: And so to the extent that people are rethinking that, 115 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: I think that is incredibly healthy, not just for those people, 116 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: but for all of society. It is a fun chart. 117 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: Somebody actually sent me this. It is that in nineteen 118 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: seventy six, the share of people who said that developing 119 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: and meaningful philosophy of life over was surpassed by people 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: saying being well off financially, and the gap between those 121 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: two exploded during the nineteen eighties, where eighty percent of 122 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: people now saying it's more important to be better off 123 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: financially than it is to develop a meaningful philosophy of life. 124 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: So the flip of that, even if a slightness right there, 125 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: that's sick. Well, you know, it's not a surprise nineteen 126 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: seventy explosion of financialization in the US economy, trade free trade, 127 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: except but you know, if you have a decline within 128 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: that and you come more to where words we were. 129 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: People were a lot happier in the nineteen sixties. So 130 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: I think it shows why. Yeah, positive trend, we'll take it. 131 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: So some new revelations from the US government, they say, 132 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: actually Labilique yep, it seems to be the most likely 133 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: one from the Energy Department. And apparently the FBI didn't 134 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: take a genius. Ryan, We've both been covering this now 135 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: for a long time, but a lot of journalists and 136 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: other prominent figures in the media humiliated themselves on this subject. 137 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: And let's just say we're going to keep some of 138 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: the receipts, you know, why not. Let's put this up 139 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: there on the screen. So what do we got? Oh? 140 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Very interesting. So here you have Tom Nichols, the so 141 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: called death of expertise guy, saying arguing with the conspiracy 142 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: theorist rarely goes well, it gives people advancing a theory 143 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: to keep repeating it as just a hypothesis, as Cotton 144 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: does here. Every time you ask him, he'll repeat it, 145 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: say it's unlikely, and just say he's asking questions. Well, 146 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, Cotton wasn't correct that it was a bioweapons program, 147 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: But he does appear to have been correct that it 148 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 1: did come from a actual Wuhan Institute of Virology, where 149 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: the US government now claims with the intelligence points to. However, 150 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: oh go ahead, there is evidence that there is a 151 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: bioweapons program. Yeah, that's right under way, COVID. It wasn't 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: part of it, right, We don't know. Yes, we don't know, 153 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: and we certainly can't go We certainly there's no reason 154 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: to go there. I will not say that it is 155 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: part of it yet, but it could also be part 156 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: of a bioweapons program and be an accidental leak. Like 157 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: whenever people hear bioweapons program, then they think, oh, no, 158 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: well that it was an intentional but DARPA they went 159 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: for DARPA funding, which they call biodefense, and if that 160 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: was if it was if it if it came out 161 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: of that kind of recipe that was created for the 162 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: DARPA application, then that would actually make it part of 163 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: like a defense or offensive operation. But it's still an accident. 164 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean right. And then the person it 165 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: is an applebom who said, for Tom Cotton, wow, this 166 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: is just like Soviet propagandists who tried to convince the 167 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: world the CIA invented AIDS and Apple Bomb is literally 168 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: on the board of global disinformation in trying to dismantle 169 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: So that's interesting. And what does this show you. You know, 170 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: you have the ambassador, the Chinese ambassador that faced the 171 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: nation had on their program saying that it was a 172 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, and then you also had CNN saying quote 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: fact checking Tom Cotton's claims about the coronavirus. I mean, 174 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: all of these people absolutely proclown themselves in retrospect, even 175 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: SA Maddie Hassen yesterday saying it's not our fault that 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: we labeled this conspiracy theorist, it's the conspiracy theorists fault 177 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: for co opting what was a genuine theory called lapli. 178 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, maybe you're not supposed to use 179 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: your personal feelings against Trump or somebody who's saying China 180 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: virus or whatever to keep away from the facts of 181 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: what's been happening here. That's actually I very much appreciated 182 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the intercept on this. I know Mara, you know who 183 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: I've talked to before. I mean, she's not like some 184 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: China hawk or whatever. She just always wanted to get 185 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this and what do we learn 186 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: from those documents, from the FOYA documents on the Eco 187 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: Health Alliance and the NIH and how they were circumventing 188 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: their own procedures and how we've been pouring millions of 189 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: dollars of fundy into this lab, Like that alone should 190 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: just be the scandal, period, doesn't have to be put Yeah, 191 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: And that's what makes me so proud of the intercept 192 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: supporting because we actually didn't go into it with like 193 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: an agenda one way or the other, like what's going on? 194 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: We were like, this is a this is a real 195 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: open question. What what documents can we find that can 196 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: shed some light on this question? And that's that's what 197 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: it ought to be like because it also never and 198 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: by the way, and Meddi's defense, he's he's, as far 199 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: as I know, the only cable host who actually pressed 200 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Fauci on this. That's true, and you know Fauci lies 201 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: tucking and dodging, but he did say, like the interceptors 202 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: reported this, you've said this, and but it never made 203 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: sense to me, and maybe you could unpack some of 204 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: it for me how this became so partisan, because like 205 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: I understand why if you're doing research about the effect 206 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: of the minimum wage, the effective minimum wage on say joblessness, 207 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: that people who oppose a minimum wage will see in 208 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: the data that it raises unemployment, and then they'll they're 209 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: talking points, and people who support the minimum age will 210 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: find their own studies, Like I understand how that epistemologically 211 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: kind of evolves into a partisan fight? This what like, 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: how is this democratic? Look, it's simple, and it became 213 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: from It came from day one. Nancy Pelosi remember saying 214 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: we can't discriminate against Chinatown walking around in which she's 215 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: the biggest hawk. Oh but oh, the Chinatown in San Francisco, 216 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: it was sparking hate. Crimes became an anti Asian hate thing. 217 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying that there hasn't been violent 218 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: crimes against Asian people, although you know a lot of 219 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: that is product of just violent crime in San Francisco 220 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: and New York. Some people don't really like to talk 221 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: about that one. But the point that I'm making is 222 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: that it became immediately that the idea was if we 223 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: acknowledge this, if we talk about it, it's racist against 224 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Asian people in America, which of course is ludicrous. And 225 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: the part to me that didn't make sense about that 226 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: is that the non bigoted explanation was that it was 227 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: actually these rural, redneck Chinese who were eating bat soup. Right, yeah, 228 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: you're right. That to me, they still talks about that 229 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: all the time. That's like, so it's less racist to 230 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: say that these like peasant Chinese were eating bat soup 231 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: at wet markets, which apparently is not that common of 232 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: a phenomenon, right, and and Weland it's like a city 233 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: of like twenty million people's super sophistic huge. Yeah, but 234 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: we played on these these tropes and these bigotries that 235 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Western people have about royal Chinese people to say that 236 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: that's yeah, you know, you know how you know those 237 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: Chinese people always eating those bats. That's that's the woke answer, right, 238 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: I listen. But like that we were doing joint US 239 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: and Chinese research in a lab right near there, and 240 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: there was an accident. That's the that's the that's the 241 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: bigot an explanation that the whole look, the whole thing 242 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. And from day one, so many of these 243 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: reporters The New York Times, Don McNeil straight up admitted 244 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: he didn't take lab League seriously because he trusted doctor 245 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: fauctions we've been talking about, and a lot of these 246 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: people have egg on their face. Beyond that, a lot 247 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: of the social media sensors are have to straight up 248 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: need to apologize to many of the figures who were 249 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: deplatformed and smeared his conspiracy theory. It took a long 250 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: time until you were able to talk about this. Was 251 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: it Facebook taking your account down? Yes? Twitter did as well. 252 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: They took down the zero hite account for talking about 253 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: the bioweapons thesis. And that's look from day one, it 254 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: was like, well, the lab is there and they were 255 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: studying back coronaviruses. Maybe it came out of there. Oh, 256 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: it turns out it's not consistent with evolutionary Like every 257 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: scrap of evidence from day one has pointed to the 258 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Huhan lab. In my opinion, had to be an idiot 259 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: to believe the natural origin theory thesis outside of two 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: months into it, when we already knew from independent analysis 261 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: that the fear and cleavage site looked like it was 262 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: inserted into the virus. That's it, pack it up and 263 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: go home. Well, that's that's why in early February you 264 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: had that conference call with these scientists who are Christian 265 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: Anderson and all these people who are now like the 266 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: most outspoken opponents of the idea, saying all this looks 267 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: like it came from the lab, like as we look 268 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: at the cleavage site, as we look at the relationship here, 269 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: Like to me, some guys are saying, I'm seventy thirty LAB, 270 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm sixty forty LAB, I'm fifty to fifty LAB, like 271 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: some saying I can't see any explanation for how this 272 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: has a natural origin. Those same dudes then like three 273 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: days later or organizing a letter saying that the science 274 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: has settled on this, well certainly settled now I think 275 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: maybe we'll find out not quite. It's it's still not 276 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: quite Like there's no there's well the same, but the 277 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: gun is dead because they covered it up. It's gone, 278 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: And people say we'll never know, and I just don't 279 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: know if that's true. Like I still do think that 280 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: we could know, Like there still could be there's evidence 281 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: that the that the NIH and that the US has 282 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: access to that has not been revealed yet related to 283 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: Ralph Barrack's lab and some other places. So it's not 284 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: just the Chinese, you know, who are who have a 285 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: lack of transparency on this and maybe we will get 286 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: something more out of out of China, like we like. 287 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I think it's too early to say that we'll never know. Okay, 288 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: well I hope. So at this point, personally, I got 289 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: all I know. Yeah, I mean I think most people should. 290 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident. Yes, yes, I don't even I barely 291 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: even even say hypothesis anymore, because at this point, the 292 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: natural origin hypothesis is the one that's bunk like, it 293 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: has far less evidence on its side. But we'll let 294 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: the rest of the mainstream catch up with that one 295 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: and we will see you guys later. Angela Davis appeared 296 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: on Skip Gates' show where he searches people's genealogy, and 297 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: boy was she stunned by what he found. Let's roll 298 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: this any idea what you're looking at? That is a 299 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: list of the passengers on the Mayflower. No, I can't 300 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: believe this. No, my ancestice did not come here on 301 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: the may Flow. Your ancestors kate on the may Flow. No, no, no, 302 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: you are descending from one of the one hundred and 303 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: one people who sailed on the Mayflower. That's a little 304 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: bit too much to deal with right now. Did you ever, 305 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: in your wildest dreams think that you may have descended 306 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: from people who laid never the foundation, never never. Amazing clip. 307 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: It's easy to see why it went viral. And Henry 308 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Lewis Gates show on PBS, I think it's called finding 309 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: your roots occasionally has a moment like this. He discovered 310 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: Angela Gates is. Angela Davis is a distant relative of 311 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: William Brewster, one of as Gates said, there the Puritans 312 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: to arrive on the Mayflower. He was fleeing persecution, religious persecution, drama, 313 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: one of the major founders of the Plymouth Bay Colony. 314 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: And so there are a number of different ways that 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: I think people can kind of interpret what this means 316 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: about America, what it means about Angela Davis such a 317 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that always strikes me when these 318 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: types of situations arise is kind of the rape culture 319 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: associated with slavery, Because now there were free blacks in 320 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: New England, you know, you know, from the you know, 321 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: seventeen hundred's on. So it is certainly within the realm 322 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: of possibility that there was some type of relationship that 323 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: that was that was not rape, that produced this, But 324 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: that possibility is extraordinarily slim. You know, most likely you're 325 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: talking about some somehow you wind up in a situation 326 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: of slavery that produces this type of outcome. And that's 327 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: because that that is where most of the where most 328 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: of most of that those family trees intersected. No, absolutely, 329 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: And you can imagine then why actually it shouldn't be 330 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: that surprising to Angela Davis. And I'm sure it was 331 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: just sort of the shock of the moment because she's 332 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: obviously very well aware of that history. Also the Mayflower, 333 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: it's the may Flower. It's the icon of colonization and 334 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: exploration and America and everything. Yeah, which is again why 335 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: it's easy to see that it went viral. I wanted 336 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: to ask you, Ryan about the significance of Angela Davis 337 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: obviously on the left, the right actually sort of makes 338 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: her college campus appearances, et cetera. The right myself included, 339 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: will weigh in on that and ask, you know, these 340 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: lavish speaking fees that come to Angela Davis, who was 341 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: once on the FBI's most wanted list for her role 342 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: in a very complicated situation back in the seventies, I 343 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: end up going to jail being quitted. So Angela Davis's 344 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: role in the contemporary left, as and Henry Lewis Kese Junior, 345 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: by the way, was involved in the Beer Summit, the 346 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: famous beer summit that everyone seems to have forgotten about 347 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: in the Obama administration, where he accused a white Boston 348 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: cop basically of racially profiling him as he was trying 349 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: to break into his own house, which he did, right, 350 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's still an open question 351 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: as to whether it was like malicious racial profiling. But 352 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: Obama then brought the officer and Henry Lewis Gates to 353 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: the White House for the Beer Summit, and Angela Davis 354 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: going back to her as we're now involved in this 355 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: DEI what people call wokeness cancel culture discussion. Is there 356 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: a significance to Angela Davis being the person here who's 357 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: learning about the William Brewster Plymouth colony relationship. Sure, I 358 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: mean she is an iconic and also polarizing figure on 359 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: the left. The specific crime that she was accused, but 360 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: so basically, somebody tried to break a couple guys out 361 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: of prison in California and used weapons that Angela Davis 362 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: had purchased, and that the assailant died, other people died 363 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: like it was became an atrocity, and Angela Davis was 364 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: then arrested for buying the guns that were used, but 365 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: an all white jury actually like acquitted her, although she 366 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: spent I think more than a year kind of in 367 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: jail between the charges and the and the trial and 368 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: her then being found not guilty. Obviously, the FBI was 369 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: cracking down on black panthers and leftists at the time, 370 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: and this was a part of that. And from there, 371 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, she went on to be one of the 372 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: more kind of celebrated writers and academics in on on 373 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: the left over the years, you know, viewed with an 374 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: enormous amount of moral authority. You know, fell in fell 375 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: into more controversy over the last several years when, if 376 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: you remember, a Birmingham Jewish organization gave her some lifetime 377 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: award and then rescinded it, saying that her her views 378 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: on Israel, She's supportive of the boycott of Israel, made 379 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: it so that she didn't they no longer wanted her 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: to get this award, and so then that that produced 381 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of backlash saying that you know that it's 382 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: unfair to call her an anti semit just because of 383 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: her position on Israeli abuses towards Palestinians. So but she 384 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: she has maintained, you know, she has maintained her cultural 385 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: cachet for sure. So to have somebody with you know, 386 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: who has been part of our culture for fifty years, 387 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: to learn that she came from the Mayflower, it's pretty amazing. Well, 388 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: then let's put the next element up on the screen, 389 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: because I think this was a good take from Michael 390 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: Brendan Doherty of National Reviews. So take coming from the right. 391 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: That wasn't just you know, owning the Libs, he said, 392 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: think about it from both perspectives. Almost certainly exploitation played 393 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: its role, But someone who came on the Mayflower has 394 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: a radical like Angela Davis as a descendant America is huge. 395 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: Talk of divorce is senseless in light of this reality. Obviously. 396 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: I think the reason this clip popped on the right 397 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: is because there's a lot of momentum that seeks to 398 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: hold people accountable for the sins of their ancestors because 399 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: of the color of their skin. Right now, So that 400 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: is white Americans who are being held accountable or want 401 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: to be The argumentation goes or should be held the accountable, 402 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: as the argument goes before the sins of previous white Americans. 403 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: This complicates that obviously when exploitation. Obviously, as Doherty says, 404 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: there may have played a role, yes, But then on 405 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: the other hand, sometimes it didn't, sometimes it did, sometimes 406 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: it didn't, sometimes it didn't, And that makes it a 407 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: very difficult sort of reality. The reality is much more 408 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: complicated and in some ways much more beautiful in that 409 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: American sense that William Brewster, the line from William Brewster 410 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: to Angela Davis is sort of thoroughly American, that you know, 411 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: you can descend from the lineage of somebody who founded 412 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: the Plymouth Colony and be a sort of black radical 413 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: and someone who's allowed to have rightfully, who's fought for 414 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: all of these different metrics of progress for black Americans, 415 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I think we'd have to know 416 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: a lot more to say whether or not it's complicated, 417 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: because if it is, if it is what we assume, 418 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: and he says exploitation, he's talking about rape, you wouldn't 419 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: say that the product of a rape, you know, bears 420 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: any responsibility or any kind of culpability or even relationship 421 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: to the to the power structures that produce that. No, 422 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: but that's the thing, like we don't know, and sort 423 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: of trying to categorically say we do know is a problem, right, 424 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: but I mean we can, we can, we can certainly 425 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: make a very educated guess, oh absolute. But then codifying 426 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: things legally into policy, I think is a really different question, right, 427 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: which which shows why it would be better, I think, 428 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: to produce a social democratic society that that elevated everybody, 429 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: rather than saying, well, we're going to go back, you know, 430 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: four hundred years and figure out whether there was consent 431 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: between these ancestors, to determine whether you are going to 432 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: get some form of reparations that you know, that just 433 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: falls apart pretty quickly. Let's go back to the Skip 434 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Gates thing real quick, because I mean, it'd be one 435 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: thing if the cop and this is what was July 436 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, he's trying he came back from 437 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: a trip. He's like couldn't find his keys. He's like 438 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: trying to get into his house, right he's in Cambridge. 439 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if the cop like stops him 440 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: as rude to him, asks him, you know who who 441 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: are you like and and kind of gets aggressive, like 442 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: you could say, look, that was you know, let's do 443 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: the protect and serve thing, let's not be hostile with 444 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: people until we know what's going on. But they went 445 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: further than they put the guy in cuffs and arrested him. Well, 446 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: he started arguing and saying, do you know, like, basically 447 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you do messing with Yeah, which is 448 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: understandable again because he's going into his own house and 449 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Louis Gates, Yeah, it's and this is a Cambridge police 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: I think I think I said earlier Boston, but Cambridge police, 451 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: speaking of Plymouth and the settling of Massachusetts. Here you 452 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: have in this is happening in Cambridge, Harvard professor, Cambridge 453 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: cop and an too. It's like you can't ask a neighbor, hey, 454 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: is this is this actually Henry Lewigates Junior. You can't 455 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: type it in your phone. And so again you can 456 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: understand entirely why any of those Gates gender would be 457 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: furious that you know and would be This is one 458 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: of the things I think the right got wrong about 459 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: the kind of Beer Summit discourse back in two thousand 460 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and nine is that you can understand why somebody of 461 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: his age who has lived through the America that he's 462 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: lived through would be on guard and would sort of 463 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: have that reflexive upset over being treated that way on 464 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: his own porch by a cop. That doesn't mean the 465 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: cop was acting in a racist fashion necessarily, but you 466 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: can understan and why Gates would jump to that conclusion. 467 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is how he felt, but 468 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: there's also a sense of survivor's guilt among a lot 469 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: of people who escape oppression and escape a marginal circumstance 470 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: and get to Cambridge, get to an endowed professorship, get 471 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: to a place where you're on speaking terms with presidents, 472 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: while so many people that you grew up with are 473 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: still living in these brutal conditions. And so I think 474 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: that that kind of cuts against somebody like Gates's willingness 475 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: to kind of bow down to an officer who is 476 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: treating him in that way because he feels like, I've 477 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: made a lot of compromises to get where I am, 478 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: but I'm going to stand up for myself on my 479 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: own porch, you know. I think it's really interesting that 480 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: this is on his show and with Angela Davis, because 481 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: it's a good reminder from the Beer Summit to from 482 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: the arc of like early Obama years to Biden your 483 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: now that our media discourse has done the entire country 484 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: basically a disservice by just erasing any nuance from these 485 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: really complicated conversations. And I think that's had positive I 486 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: think that's had negative effects for both sides of the debate, 487 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: whether or not you think one side is right or wrong. Ultimately, 488 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: it's just what's wrong is the lack of seriousness and 489 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: nuance that our media culture in the age of Twitter, 490 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: which was very new in two thousand and nine, has 491 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: brought to these conversations because we're forced to make snap 492 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: judgments for the algorithm. We're not forced to, but people 493 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: do make snap judgments for the algorithm to be involved 494 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: in the discourse as quickly as it possibly can, and 495 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: that brings us to I think it's a totally flattened 496 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: dialogue about that. And I do think on the question 497 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: of how this complicates things, it also has to complicate 498 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: the mythology of the mayflower, like it has to remind 499 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: people that what they learned in third grade about about 500 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: that landing has many other layers to it that have, 501 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, combined to produce the fabric of this society. 502 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: I think the schools have definitely moved in that direction 503 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: to the point of perhaps overreach, which we would probably 504 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: disagree on at this point. But again we don't actually 505 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: know where down the line exploitation if that was the 506 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: case occurred, it could have been. You know, it's just 507 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to know, but fascinating reminder of 508 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: how unique this country is. There are more cases like this, 509 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and you say unique in a bad way, But the 510 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I think the way of looking at it that I prefer, 511 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: the Michael Brendan Doherty way, is to say there are 512 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: people who are legitimately were white supremacists from another age 513 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: who have paved the way for the Angela Davises of 514 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: the world. Well, that's for sure. So one of our 515 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: great partners, Ken Clippenstein of The Intercept, has some bombs 516 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: tell new reporting. Let's go and put this up on 517 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: the screen here, guys, Penanon developed contingency plan for war 518 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: with Iran. In January, the US and Israel conducted the 519 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: largest joint military exercise in history, and obviously Ken is 520 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: here with me. Now, great to Caesar, good to be 521 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: with you, all right, So just tell us a little 522 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: bit of what you found here. Yeah. So this con plan, 523 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: which stands for a concept plan, it's basically a war 524 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: plan that the military does to try to game out 525 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: how scenario would happen and how they would fight a 526 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: war with partner nations. And what's interesting about this is 527 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: I think there's this misconception that the military has plans 528 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: for every single thing, but the reality and I interviewed 529 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: in the story is I interviewed a advisor of the 530 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: Joint Chiefs who himself was a military planner under the 531 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Marine Corps Special Operations Command. These con plants, in particular, 532 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: are very expensive to do because you have to get 533 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: buy in not just from DoD but from outside agencies 534 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: like the State Department as well as the White House. 535 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: So these tend to be pretty rare. The last time 536 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: that there was an Iran con plan reported was in 537 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and two and run up to the Iraq War, 538 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: and so this is the first indication that they've had 539 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: any kind of update to those plans. And the code 540 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: name for it is Support Centry, And basically what's interesting 541 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: about it is that takes place in the context of 542 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: a huge shift regionally in terms of the US's relationship 543 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: with Israel. So under the Trump administration, they passed what 544 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: was called the Abrams Accords, which were sort of pitched 545 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: as a peace accord, and to some extent it was 546 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: that because it did normalize relations between the Arab Gulf 547 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: States and Israel. But an unintended consequence of that is 548 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: that it made it so that they can negotiate together 549 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: as a block for what they want and basically their 550 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: common enemy in that region now that they have normalized 551 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: relations is Iran. And so the concern on the part 552 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: of people are interviewing this story, and a lot of 553 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: military planners too, is that we're going to get dragged 554 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: into a conflict that Washington doesn't necessarily want because Israel 555 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: is now able to coordinate with the Arab Gulf States 556 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: to do these sort of things. Give us a little 557 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: bit more of the history on those because I think 558 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: this is important. Obviously, back under the Obama Biden administration, 559 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: they negotiated the Iranian nuclear deal. Israel's very unhappy Nan 560 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: Yahoo came gave this sort of infamous speech in front 561 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: of Congress. Then Trump comes in, he backs out of 562 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: that deal. Biden campaigned on getting back into it, he 563 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: has not actually done that. There was sort of a 564 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: window of time at the beginning of this administration that 565 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: was probably the most likely time for him to get in. 566 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: And so now, I mean, what you're showing here, and 567 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: what seems to be the case from other activities as well, 568 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: is that we're sort of backing the Israeli view of 569 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: a much more brazenly aggressive approach to Iran. Is that 570 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: a fair characterization? And what else are we seeing in 571 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: that regard totally? To give you an example, recently, this 572 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: is just a couple of weeks ago, the US ambassador 573 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: to Israel made a statement publicly saying, whatever Israel wants 574 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: to do to handle the alleged nuclear threat in Iran, 575 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: we have their back. And there were so many questions 576 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 1: to the press State Department Press secretary about that. It's 577 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: kind of interesting they didn't walk it back. Now, they 578 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: didn't say like, oh, we're totally on board with that, 579 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: but they were like, we supported the Israeli's and our 580 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: partners in the region. So that's going to be a 581 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: signal to a country like Israel, which recently accorded to 582 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: the new York Times conducted a drone strike in Iran 583 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: where they blew up a I think it was a 584 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: military production factory. And that's one of a bunch of 585 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: covert operations that they've been doing. Killed a nuclear scientist 586 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: not long ago. And so when you have a green 587 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: light like that, you have to imagine that the Israeli 588 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: is going to take that in a certain way. And 589 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: so the question now is how far are they going 590 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: to go. We had, as you mentioned before, the biggest 591 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: US military exercise in history, and I think something that's 592 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: important for the audience to understand is that war is 593 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: not when the troops go into the country. That war 594 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: is a continuum and it's an entire plan. There's a 595 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of logistics in planning. That was the point of 596 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: my reporting this con plan, the concept plan, to give 597 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: people the idea that the planning is happening, that in 598 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: addition to that, the military exercise are happening, and that 599 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: has the effect if you look at the Iranian government 600 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: statement in response to that military exercise, the Iranians started 601 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: having their own military exercise, and I think it was 602 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: lieutenant general in charge of I think it was the army. 603 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: He said military exercises are the war before war, and 604 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: I thought that that was a pretty good way to 605 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: put it, war before war. Regarding those drone strikes, I mean, 606 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: there were a couple of things that Israeli drone strikes 607 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: on Iran. There are a couple of things that I've 608 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: found noteworthy. Number One, it came right in the wake 609 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: of those giant military exercises. Number Two, Typically, when Israel 610 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: has engaged in these type of attacks on Iran, and 611 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: we'll put aside, you know, in Ukraine, Row territorial senateergy, etc. 612 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: Here we have a different view. Apparently, Usually we say, oh, 613 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: we don't really know what happened here. They came out 614 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: and said it was Israel. I found that to be 615 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: noteworthy because it was almost an endorsement of the actions 616 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: that normally we try to keep ourselves a little more 617 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: removed from exactly, and that's the effect that this regional 618 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: shift has had. Another point I make in the story 619 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: is that historically Israel has been put under the combatant 620 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: command of European Command in the US military, and that 621 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: sort of seems not very intuitive, Like why would the 622 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: Israel being under European Command instead of Central Command, which 623 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: is the Middle East Command. President Trump, in his capacity 624 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: as commander in chief, is able to change something like that, 625 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: which he did with an order in the last few 626 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: days of his administration he moved Israel from European Command 627 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: to Central Command. I started interviewing, you know, former military officers, 628 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: trying to get a sense of why that what that 629 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: change meant, because there's hardly in reporting on it. And 630 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: it turns out there's good reason to have Israel under 631 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: European Command because that makes it so that they're not 632 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: fighting shoulder to shoulder with the Arab Gulf States, and 633 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: it just keeps our combatant command separate from the full 634 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: extent of what their interests are in that region. Insulates 635 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: us a little bit from having to respond to problems 636 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: that that might be, you know, in the Israelis interest, 637 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: but not necessarily ours. But now that they're on Central 638 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: Command along with the restaurant, that's completely changed the state 639 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: of play in the region and not only align the 640 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: Arab Golf States with Israel, but also puts us on 641 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: the hook to respond to problems that happened with regard 642 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: to Israel that we wouldn't have responded to when they 643 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: were under European Command. And finally, there was a news recently, 644 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: this is from the UN agency, the IAEA, that uranium 645 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: purity and Iran is just seven percent off from bomb 646 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: making levels. What do you make of this news and 647 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: the timing of the news. I think it's early reminiscent 648 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: of the run up to Iraq. Again, I'm not talking 649 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. I'm talking to the Clinton administration 650 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: when the UN is putting out all these statements hand 651 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: rating about a nuclear enrichment on the part of the 652 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: Iraqi government, and then the effect that has is it 653 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: stokes a lot of anxiety in the public. You don't 654 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: want to be very clear, I don't want the Iranians 655 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: to get nucle weapons. That's going to trigger an arms 656 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: race in the region. Saudi Arabia has made its own 657 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: moves towards a nuclear program, so as the UAE, that 658 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: would be very dangerous. You know, I'm opposed to all 659 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: of that. However, if you look at what our intelligence communities' 660 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: conclusions have been in the Nuclear Posture Review, which it 661 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: seems no one read, they state very clearly that they 662 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: have no evidence. This is as close as a quote 663 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: as a quote as I can remember. They have no 664 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: evidence that the Uranians actually want a nuclear weapon. Now 665 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: you can say, why are they enriching? They want to 666 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: get to the point where they're near to it if 667 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: they feel they need to hurry up and get one, 668 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: a deterrent kind of thing, but that our best intelligence. 669 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: The CI director reiterated this in an interviewed just a 670 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: couple of days ago, also said, we have no evidence 671 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: that they're actually going to cross that line into full 672 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: on enrichment as opposed to getting to the point where 673 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: they could do it quickly. And I said the last 674 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: one was the last. But I think it's important to 675 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: get this as well, because under the Obama administration, in 676 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: my opinion, the Iranian nuclear deal was one of their 677 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: greatest achievements. Trump was just opposed to whatever Obama did. Reflexively, 678 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: he you know, backs out of it. And as I 679 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: said before, Biden ran on, we're going to get back 680 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: into this deal that we walked away from. How did 681 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: that fall apart? And to the point now where I 682 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: don't think there's any expectation from anyone that it's really 683 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: possible or feasible for the tale to be rekindled. I 684 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: think that's really important angle to all this because Trump 685 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: is in the past. You know, we can wring our 686 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: hands all we want about what he did or didn't do. 687 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: The reality is that Biden didn't reverse those things. Biden's 688 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: commander in chief could send Israel back to European command. 689 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: Biden commander as commander in chief has all sorts of 690 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,479 Speaker 1: a suite of options in terms of relationship. The best 691 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: impression I get from folks in the defense community that 692 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: I talk to is not so much that he's a 693 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: pope that he hates the Iran deal, but is that 694 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: he just did not prioritize it to the extent that 695 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: he needs to, more focused on domestic stuff, didn't care 696 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: as much about foreign regional policy. When you do that, 697 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: the POSSE gets farmed out to the autopilot of the 698 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: military community, which is always going to be escalate, escalate, ESCALATEE, 699 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: which I think is what we're seeing in the region. Yeah, 700 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: I think that's right. And in the meantime, while they 701 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: squandered time on the US side, totally there's now a 702 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: more hardline leader in Iran. And of course now you 703 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: have the complicating factor of them allegedly providing support and 704 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: drones to Russia, which again, just creates a more adversarial 705 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: relationship between US and Iran, makes it much more difficult 706 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: to imagine getting back into any sort of deal. Really 707 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: important reporting, guys, I really encourage you to read through 708 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing, because, as Ken points out, listen before 709 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: a war actually happens. These are all of the sort 710 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: of preparations that her so that they can build the case, 711 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: so they can build the preparedness, so they can then 712 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: go and sell it to the American public. So Ken, 713 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much, great reporting, Thanks for having me