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The Colin Coward Podcast, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: presented by the FanDuel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, Welcome in 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Thursday Morning Podcast with Ian O'Connor, Great Columness, New York Post. 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Written many many top notch sports books, including Belichick, which 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: you got to read if you care about the NFL 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: and the one on Mike Shashevsky The Rise in Rain 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: of Coach K talked about it a lot, had him 17 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: on I'm gonna bring in O'Connor. He's an unofficial member 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: of the staff, probably a half dozen to a thousand 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: times a year. I love him, good friend, But first, 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: fake questions, real answers, stuff I want to talk about, 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: but don't necessarily want to wait for you to ask me. 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Dear Collins, you see yesterday Kevin Durant brought up an 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: old rant from you back in two thousand and seven 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: where you made fun of the fact that he couldn't 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: bench one hundred eighty five pounds. You said he was 26 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: soft and wouldn't make it explain yourself. Well, yeah, you know, 27 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it is fun to be theatrical. The two players 28 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: in the NBA that my scouts told me would be 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: great and I didn't listen to him Yao Ming and 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. I had Mike Dunley be telling me Yeaming's 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: going to be a multiple time All Star. I'm like, 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: he's seven to six. I've watched how many guys have 33 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: I watched that are seven three fall apart? That's wrong. 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: He was a multiple time All Star. Tom Penn, who 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: was running the Blazers, told me Durant's gonna score twenty 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: five to thirty a game for over a decade. I 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: say he's gonna fall apart. Physically, I tend to be 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: somebody that gets immersed paralyzed sometimes by body types. Porzingis 39 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant brandon ingram all legs, slashers, hit the floor, 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: get hurt a lot. That's wrong on Kady. You know 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: I love him as a player. I think it's fun 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: that sometimes I'm absolutely overwhelmingly wrong. Of course, I was 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: right on the Warriors and six steph as the MVP. 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: I told you Johnny Manzil would be a bust, so 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: would JaMarcus Russell. Jameis Winston was overdrafted, so as Baker 46 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: Mayfield and Josh Rose. No reason to talk about those hits, though, 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: is there now? Dear Coliny, you excited about tonight's NBA draft, Well, 48 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: for about twenty minutes, the first six or seven picks, 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: that's where a majority of the talent is. Years ago, 50 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: they had seven rounds in the NBA draft. Now it's two, 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: and you run out of players about fifteen in. Listen, 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: it's hard to sell anybody, myself included on waiting for 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: something great to happen. If I told you, Hey, there's 54 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: this movie, you're gonna love it. It It comes out in 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: four years, you're gonna forget about it. Hey, if you 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: buy this car today, you're got to drive it in 57 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: three and a half years. Be the best ride of 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: your life. Mostly you wouldn't buy it. The NBA draft 59 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: doesn't give you any urgent satisfaction. Like a comedian, you 60 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: tell a joke, you get a laugh. But that's not 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: the way it works. It works that way in the 62 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: NFL draft, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Immediately stars impact can 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: get involved in long playoff runs. Jamar Chase help the 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Bengals and Joe Burrow get to the super Bowl. There's 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: a payoff immediately. But in the NBA, because players only 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: spent a year in college. Jabari Smith from Auburn, He's 67 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: absolutely going to be a nice NBA player, but he's 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: going to go to a terrible team that won't make 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs for probably four to five years. So unless 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: I get my NBA package and check out those awful 71 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Orlando Magic, I won't pay much attention the payoff for 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: even players that make it, like Janis Is year four, 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: he was an All Star. Brandon Ingram year four, he's 74 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: an all star level player. So even if chet Holmgren 75 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: is a hit in the NBA, he's nineteen, He's seven 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: feet and one hundred and ninety pounds. I'm six two 77 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: and one hundred ninety, and I'm viewed as thin. If 78 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: you don't give people an immediate or urgent payoff, they wander. 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, NFL commission Roger Goodell said he doesn't have 80 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: the power to get rid of Dan Snyder. What do 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: you make of that, Well, a commissioner needs the support 82 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: of other owners to get rid of an owner, like 83 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: Adam Silver had collectively with Donald Sterling, who had, for 84 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, zero allies among owners. Dan Snyder 85 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: has a few allies. I think sometimes we forget there's 86 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: about six great everything in the NFL right now. There's 87 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: about six great quarterbacks. You know him, I know him, 88 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Matt Stafford. Oh, 89 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: you can probably try to insert another one in there, 90 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: but there's about six. There's about six great coaches in 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think Andy Reid is a great coach, 92 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: and Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan. I think Sean McDermott, 93 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: though Josh Allen certainly helps, is a really good young 94 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: football coach. Bill Belichick is a great coach. There's a 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: couple others, but I think you get my point. There's also, 96 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion, maybe six to seven great general managers. 97 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: It's the same with owners Folks, Jets, Texans, Dolphins, Lions, Bears, Washington. 98 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: These are bad owners, but there's about six great everything 99 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: in this league, just like five percent of the top realtors, 100 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: so eighty to ninety percent of the homes. Don't think 101 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: just because a group of people are rich, all of 102 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: them are brilliant. Dan Snyder's awful, but he's got enough 103 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: allies for now to remain an NFL owner. Dear Colin, 104 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: what do you make of brooks Keepka joining the Live 105 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: golf tour backed by blood money of Saudi Arabia. Well, 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Greg Norman retweeted one of my rants this week on 107 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: FS one. So yes, I feel a little validated. I've 108 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: had four five people, including employees at Fox, who love 109 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: golf and worked in golf, reach out and say they 110 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: agree with me. That feels nice. But everybody is morally flexible. 111 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Right would you take one hundred and fifty million dollars 112 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: if it was offered? I'm saying you would, and you'd 113 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: validate or rationalize the reasons why our government rationalizes business 114 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: with Saudi Arabia because in a hostile territory in the world, 115 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: they're good trading partners, and in that part of the world, 116 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: we need them, so we rationalize our relationship. Do you 117 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: know the number one voting group for Donald Trump, who's 118 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: had over four hundred litigations in his career and multiple 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 1: sexual harassment allegations. The number one voting group was Evangelical 120 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: Christians who rationalized voting for Donald Trump a grifter, a con, 121 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: the sleaziest president of all of our lives. That's the 122 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: way we work. Hollywood is outraged how Elon Musk spends 123 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: his money buying Twitter. How about you make it before 124 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: you lecture others on how to spend it. I in 125 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: my entire life, have watched people be morally flexible when 126 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: people offer them opportunities and game changing money. Could you 127 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: turn down as we head into a recession and your 128 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: four oh one k and stockholdings plummet, could you turn 129 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: down one hundred and fifty million dollars for your family? 130 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to say no, you can't. Our government didn't 131 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: even slap Saudi Arabia on the wrist for nine to 132 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: eleven or murdering a Washington Post journalist. I'm going to 133 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: be upset with Greg Norman. Dear Colin, why do you 134 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: think fans have such a hard time admitting the truth 135 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: even when data proves they're wrong. Well, usually it's because 136 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: it makes him feel good. There was a recent study 137 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: byte Northwestern University. The Americans spend fifty billion dollars a 138 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: year on multivitamins and they don't work at all. And 139 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: you know they don't work because all of our parents 140 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: told us decades ago. Multivitamins are just expensive p That's 141 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: what my dad told me, and your dad probably told you. 142 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: But they make us feel good. The commercials are interesting, 143 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: and we want to be healthy, and we know we 144 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: don't work out as much to eat as well as 145 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: we probably should. So the industry will overcome this study. 146 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Dan Gilbert owns the Calves. He's a brilliant businessman in 147 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: the mortgage industry, one of the leaders. When Lebron left him, 148 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: he wrote a letter he said, Lebron will regret it, 149 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: and we're going to be way better without him, and 150 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Lebron will never understand how loved he was in Cleveland, 151 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: and he'll never duplicate that success. Ro went on to 152 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: four straight finals and he won two of them. The 153 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Cavs became the worst team in the league, stockpiling more 154 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: lottery picks. Dan Gilbert knew you couldn't replace Lebron James, 155 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: but it made him feel good to write that letter. 156 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: I ran into an Oklahoma football fan a couple of 157 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: days ago. He assured me Brent Venables was going to 158 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: be better than Lincoln Riley. And I assured him that 159 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: less than fifty percent of coordinators who get head coaching jobs, 160 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: and then includes schools like USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, 161 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: over fifty percent fail And there's no chance that Lincoln 162 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: Riley will fail because he won eleven games at Oklahoma, 163 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: the Pac twelves even a worse conference, and USC easily 164 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: has the best brand, the best quarterback, and the most 165 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: recruiting momentum. But it made him feel good to believe that. 166 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: And that's okay. So you root for the Sooners, you 167 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: root against Lebron, and you take those multi vitamins. They 168 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: don't work, but I understand why people take them. Dear Colin, 169 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: as a member of the old media, I can tell 170 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: by your gray hair, what do you make of the 171 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: new media led by Draymond Green. Well, I'm actually a 172 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: fan of it. I believe when I started the volume, 173 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to age quickly. I've always said I'll 174 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: probably retire in a ski town or a college town. 175 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Palm Springs, golf, play 176 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: bridge and get wrinkly. Surround yourself with young ideas and 177 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: young people, and you stay younger longer. I like athletes 178 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: having an opinion. I think it's funny when athletes spa 179 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: on social media. Yes, Kevin Durant, Naron Rodgers are a 180 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: little thin skinned, but hey, sometimes we're all thin skinned. 181 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: The reality with the new media is very few athletes 182 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: can pull it off. Draymond Green is fascinating, outspoken, informed 183 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: and fearless. Most athletes aren't. They have brands to protect 184 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: reputations they don't want to tarnish. New doesn't mean everybody 185 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: can accomplish it. I love Draymond Green, but he's one 186 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: of one. He's Charles Barkley. 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Arnie Jack Palmer 228 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: and Nicholas and Gulf's greatest rivalry. And the PGA was 229 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: so pristine and so beloved. But the world has changed, 230 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: lots of platforms, globalization, somebody eventually was going to throw 231 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money at golfers. This is what UFC 232 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: did to boxing. They were a disruptor. Boxing was based 233 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: on greed and too many weight classes and promoters driving 234 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: the sport. Can I not argue if we get out 235 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: of the blood money conversation for a second, is that 236 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: the PGA is simply simply an organizational arm. These are 237 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: not employees, they're independent contractors. The PGA doesn't run the Masters, 238 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, US Open, PGA Championship, British Open, the stuff 239 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: most people watch. And that this was bound to happen 240 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: among globalization, Amazon, Apple, Saudi money, and that we don't 241 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: like where the money's coming from. But the PGA, which 242 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: is a charity, these are independent contractors. Some sort of 243 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: similar situation. The PGA was really vulnerable. Greg Norman's been 244 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: pushing back for twenty years. Tigers had disagreements, Michels has 245 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: been complaining for a decade. That's where I find myself. Ian, 246 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: if you get out of the blood money argument for 247 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: a second, that PGA put themselves in a bad space. 248 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: They've had grumbling golfers for twenty years. Well Colin, even 249 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: beyond twenty years. I remember when Greg Norman was threatening 250 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to start a tour back in the nineties and to 251 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: compete against the PGA Tour. And without question, when you 252 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: look at Tiger Woods starting a tournament in his prime 253 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: with no guaranteed money, starting a season on the PGA 254 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Tour with no guaranteed money, nothing more than one hundred 255 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: and twenty six guy in the field, at some point 256 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: somebody was going to present a model where the stars 257 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: were paid up front, and it was inevitable it happened. 258 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: I actually agree with you one hundred percent. The PGA 259 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: Tour has put itself in position to be challenge like this. Now, 260 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: nobody loves where the money is coming from. But at 261 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: some point that conversation will taper off and it's going 262 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: to be the NFL against the USFL. And I think 263 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: who knows who's going to win this one? Because I 264 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: think the more name players that live takes away from 265 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. That obviously hurts the depth of the 266 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: PGA Tour fields and in that sport, really the three 267 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: players that matter most now are Rory McElroy, Jordan Spieth 268 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: and Justin Thomas. They don't play every week, so you 269 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: do need the Brooks Kepkas and the Bryson d Shambos 270 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: and Patrick Reid's to fill out fields for people to 271 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: come and watch. Those players are now leaving, and I 272 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: think they'll continue to leave, and this is going to 273 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: be a serious threat to the PGA Tour long term. Listen, 274 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: you cover golf extensively. I just read Alan Shipnook's book 275 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: on Phil mc wilson, a wildly colorful character. We know 276 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: about the gambling losses, but I've always felt fills his 277 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: own sort of platform. He's his own business, and I 278 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: look at him like a Peyton Manning who's eventually going 279 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: to sell that Omaha production company, probably do a network 280 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: for hundreds of millions of dollars. You know, Fills not 281 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: as viable as a golfer. He would have gone into 282 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: broadcasting or created his own media company. I think I'm 283 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: less surprised about Phil Mickelson, who has very little runway left. 284 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, were you shocked by him doing this? No, 285 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't shocked by it. I disagree certainly with his 286 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: decision to do it, And as I wrote in a 287 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: column a couple of weeks ago, Phil and Greg Norman 288 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: sort of deserve each other. They've been full of you 289 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: know what for a long time. And Nicholson is a 290 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: great player. He's probably going to go down among the 291 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: top twelve, maybe ten players of all time, and he 292 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: knows he's not going to win anymore. He pulled that 293 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: PGA championship last year out of a hat, and so 294 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: his winning days are over. He owes obviously a lot 295 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: in gambling losses. He's talked openly about that being a 296 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: problem for him for years that he's tried to work on. 297 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that he did that. I think 298 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: the bigger threat is a guy like or even two 299 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: guys really, but d Shambou and Kepka, those are the 300 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: players that the PGA Tour have to worry about because 301 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: they're in their prime. When d shambo was healthy, Colin, 302 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: he arguably was the best player in the world. If 303 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: he gets healthy again, and if Kepka gets healthy again, 304 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: these are guys who can win majors. Now will the 305 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: majors allow them in? I think so. I think they should. 306 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: As much as I'm opposed to taking the blood money, 307 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't go as far as banning these 308 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: players from major championships. And as you noted, the PGA 309 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Tour has no control over those championships. So there's our 310 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: football season still about six weeks away before we kind 311 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: of jump into it. And obviously baseball, both the Yankees 312 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: and Mets, who have spent freely, are doing very well. 313 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: And I'll come back to baseball in a second, the 314 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: New York scene. But you know, for years and years, 315 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: I've understood the Bears and the Lions, and Washington and 316 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: Houston weren't well run. I understood the Jets weren't well run, 317 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: and Stephen Ross had chaos in his organization. The head 318 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: scratcher for me has always been the Giants. I've always 319 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: called him the accounting firm of the NFL. Even when 320 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: they won, they were boring. Even in good years, nobody 321 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about him. Almost as a rule in 322 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: if you look at the bad teams in this league, 323 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: some have good quarterbacks, some have good coaches, some have 324 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: interesting rosters. Cleveland, Jets, Houston. It's all ownership. It's shaky 325 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: front offices, it's chaos upstairs. I always thought the Maras 326 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: were well equipped to handle speedbumps. I look at them 327 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: now and maybe this is hyperbolic. I almost insert the 328 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: Giants into the circus category of the league. How are 329 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: they perceived in New York? I think they were a 330 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: bit of a joke under Dave Gettlman. How the Mara family, 331 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: John Mara and the tissues ever agreed to hand over 332 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: their multibillion dollar franchise to him is beyond me. Joe 333 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Shane is a different story. I think there's a sense 334 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: now that the Giants have a plan finally and a 335 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: guy who can build a program in place. And really, 336 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: over the years they've been helped greatly by good general managers. 337 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: George Young, Ernie A. Corzy, Jerry Reese stabilized that franchise 338 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: and nobody was calling John Mara bad owner in two 339 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: thousand and seven through two eleven when he won two 340 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, and really in two thousand and eight that 341 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: was their best team. Kaughlin Tom Coughlin told me later 342 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: they would have won it all if plexco burst and 343 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: accidentally shoot himself. So he was a good owner when 344 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: he had a good head coach and a good quarterback. 345 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: They didn't have that in recent years, and so he's 346 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: been a bad owner. And right now we'll find out 347 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: if Brian Dable is a good coach and if he 348 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: can turn Daniel Jones into a good quarterback. He obviously 349 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: has the athletic and physical tools to be that. But 350 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: let's see, this is his final year to get that done. 351 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: But the Giants, because of the tradition going back into 352 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties and Sam Huff and Frank Gifford, 353 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: and they do hold a place in the market that 354 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the Jets really don't. And obviously, as you know, the 355 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: Jets haven't been in the Super Bowl since Man stepped 356 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: on the moon. It's a phrase I like to use 357 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And Joe Douglas has given them a 358 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: bit of a chance here. He had a really, really 359 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: good draft by all accounts, and it all comes down 360 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: to whether or not Zack Wilson is the thing or 361 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: if they'll be searching for another quarterback in a year 362 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: or two. So, but New York Football, I have to 363 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: say it's been miserable in this market, Colin. When both 364 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: teams are out of it by Halloween and the Yankees 365 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: and Mets are done, particularly the Yankees, then you turn 366 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: to football and they're done by Halloween, it is it's bleak. 367 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: So I would welcome just one of those two franchises 368 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: to become relevant again, because it just makes column writing 369 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: in this market a whole lot more interesting. Well, football 370 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: has buying large taken over virtually every market in the country, 371 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: including Boston, where the Patriots rain sort of put let's 372 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: be honest, the Red Sox in the back seat of 373 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: that sedan for many years. But New York's an exception. 374 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: Steve Cohen goes from Wall Street and has bought Scherzer, 375 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: Linda or a great roster. Okay, it was already potentially good. 376 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: He Pasper, Bluck Show Walter. They go get it. They 377 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: go get Max Scherzer. They had to, they had some 378 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: pieces in place. You can't do that. In the NFL. 379 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: Dave Tapper buys Carolina. They're still a mess. It just 380 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. But in baseball, if you look 381 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: at the best teams right now, it's the biggest market 382 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: in the South Atlanta, the two New York teams, the Dodgers. 383 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: The biggest market in Canada, Toronto, It's Houston, it's major cities. 384 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: The bottom of the sport is Kansas City, Cincinnati, Oakland. 385 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: It's low payrolls, so you can buy your way into baseball. 386 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: But here's what's interesting. I find the Mets more fascinating 387 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: than the Yankees. The Yankee story is great pitching and 388 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: the long ball. But I went and watched three of 389 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: the four Mets games against the Dodgers, and they're doing 390 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: it without Scherzer and de Graham. It's power, it's defense, 391 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: it's managing. I feel like New York is one of 392 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: the last cities in the country where baseball is still 393 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: king and judging by social media, I know the Yankees 394 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: have the championships, but there's a special place. There's an 395 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: underdog thing with the Mets from the outside that feels 396 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: different than the Giants and the Jets, that there's a 397 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: big chunk of the city that's into the Mets. And 398 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: I look at the construct of their team, and I'm 399 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: not some baseball expert. I think they're kind of built 400 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: for the postseason. I really do your interpretation of what 401 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: you're seeing with the Mets to be not fully staffed 402 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: and to go out West and to really compete late 403 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: innings beat teams like the Dodgers. I watched those games. 404 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: It was pretty impressive. I thought coming out of the 405 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: weekend they were a better team. Last year, the Mets 406 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: were in first place for nearly three months. Louis Rojas 407 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: was doing a really good job as a rookie manager, 408 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: and I think he'll be good. He's young when he 409 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: gets a second chance. He's now with the Yankees. But 410 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: the team unraveled after de Graham went down, other injuries 411 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: and it got way. It's not going to unravel under 412 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: Buck Showalter. He's seen too much. He's been a good 413 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: manager in baseball for too long, and that's what I'm seeing. 414 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: I'm seeing a Buck show Walter team. I talked to 415 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: Glenn Charlock, longtime bench coach, been in the game forever recently, 416 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: and he said the only manager he's ever seen who 417 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: runs every defensive meeting in drill he's like a Belichick, 418 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: is Buck Showalter. In spring training. During the season, Showalter 419 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: is on top of every defensive drill and meeting, and 420 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: the Mets catch the ball. They do things you haven't 421 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: seen them do in the past. And they aggressively run 422 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: the bases and put pressure on the defense to make 423 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: a play, and haven't seen the Mets do that in 424 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: recent years. And there is a feeling in New York. 425 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: And I remember even back to eighty six when they 426 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: wanted all with that great team, that New York became 427 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: a Mets town. It can be a Mets town again, 428 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: that is possible. I feel it can, and it was 429 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: unanimous among Mets fans. My wife is a person who 430 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: lived and died with the Metro, died in with the 431 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: Mets every night for decades. So I usually watch about 432 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty Mets games 433 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: a year because of that. And it's just for the 434 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: first time. They hired a manager that was received unanimously 435 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: as the right pick, and they have an owner for 436 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: the first time who has a George Steinbrenner budget and 437 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: stomach for the fight. They've wanted that for so long, 438 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: to have their own Steinbrenner. He's more like George Steinbrenner 439 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: than how Steinbrenner. So for the Mets to have that 440 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: now the manager that you believe in, an owner that 441 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: you know will pay to correct mistakes and add to 442 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: the roster to win instead of to win it all, 443 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: instead of maybe losing in the first round, to go 444 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: out and get Scherzer. Yeah, I think they can win 445 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: it all right now. If the Mets and Yankees met 446 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: in the World Series, Colin, I think it would be 447 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: the same result as two thousand. I think the Yankees 448 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: win in five. But if you get Scherzer back and 449 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: de Gram can stay healthy, which I'm still shaky on, 450 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: I think Scherzer will be there in October. I just 451 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: don't know about the Gram. But if those two guys 452 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: do stay healthy, wow, they certainly have a chance to 453 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: win at all. You know. Steve Cohen, again a Wall 454 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: Street guy that stepped in, was a passionate Mets fan. 455 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: There's been, to say the least, some dubious ownership in 456 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: New York James Dolan, head of the class Woody Johnson 457 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Johnson family not great. Cohen appears to be received now. 458 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: Some of it's just the success, but he seems to 459 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: listen to the fans like he is. It feels like 460 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: to me he's actually a fan, just a really wealthy one. 461 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: What's your interpretation of him? A really wealthy fan, no question, 462 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: grew up loving the Mets. I think if you look 463 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: at his business background and becoming a hedge fun zillionaire, 464 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: certainly didn't always treat people nicely in his business world, 465 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's been documented. So I don't think 466 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: he comes in as this knight and shining armor in 467 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: one sense, and another is because Mets fans, honestly, all 468 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: they care about is that they have someone who is 469 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: as invested as they are in the final result and 470 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: is willing to be to have the top payroll in baseball. 471 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: And they just wanted an owner to compete with George Steinbrenner, 472 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: and now they have one who would have done that 473 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: if George were still with us, and is willing I think, 474 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: probably to do more than how Steinbrenner, and that's what 475 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: they care about. I think Cohen is a very interesting 476 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: guy who right he acts and feels like a fan. 477 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: It seems like when they lose, he feels it like 478 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: a fan does. Yes, and yeah, at times that can 479 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: be a dangerous thing too, But the Mets fan wants 480 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: that they want an owner who cares as much as 481 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: they do. I don't I know they didn't feel that 482 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: with Fred Wilpon and now they get it with Steve Cohen, 483 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: and it's a It's a powerful asset to have as 484 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: you try to win a championship for the first time 485 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: since eighty six. And I know Mets fans are thrilled 486 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: to have that on their side. You know, the Yankees 487 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: are fascinating because I I've not that I'm cynical of 488 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: Brian Cashman, but I don't think he was an early 489 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: adapter to analytics. I never was a fan of the 490 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: John Carlos Stanton acquisition because they had Aaron Judge for 491 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: a much cheaper price. But now they're a you know, 492 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: they're a deep ball threat every at bat, and you 493 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: know it looks like it's working. Cashman has survived personal chaos, 494 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: in criticism, they have underachieved, and a lot of years 495 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: he spent big money on players that didn't work. You know, 496 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: he talks but doesn't say a lot. He's like the 497 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Jeter of front office guys. He didn't say a lot. 498 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: But yet he's survived in the toughest city in the country, 499 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: that certainly the most intense baseball media coverage. How has 500 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: he survived allies, friendships and ownership yeah, that's part of it. 501 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree. I usually agree with almost everything 502 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: you say. I'm going to disagree with the fact that 503 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: he's the Derek Jeter of GM. I think he says 504 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: a lot on the record. He has said a lot 505 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: over the years. He said, last year, we suck. We 506 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: state the high Heavens right now he took ownership of that. 507 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: He said things that a lot of gms would never say. 508 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: For the record, He's told he has said things even 509 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: to me. In my Jeter book, he talked about how 510 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: he basically stared down Jeter in contract negotiations. On the record, 511 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: he told me that he had to go down when 512 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Jeter was not treating a rod the way a captain should, 513 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: and he had to challenge him and confront him on that. 514 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: He had a dinner with Jeter near the end of 515 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: his career and told him you better fix your defense 516 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: or else. And so I think he has said a 517 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: lot of things on the record. He's told Alex Rodriguez 518 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: to shut up. So I think that's one area where 519 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: I think he actually his candor has helped him. I 520 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: think he has been a fighter, and he has his flaws, 521 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: and he has made his mistakes, but to survive in 522 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: this market running that team for a century. I think 523 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: the fact that he is willing to say things on 524 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: the record about himself, his own performance, about his team's 525 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: performance has actually been something that has aided him over time, 526 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: and that the fan now listen. Yankee fans have been 527 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: on him in recent years. They haven't won it all 528 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine, which feels like a biblical 529 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: drought when it's the Yankees. But they're always knocking on 530 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: the door. They never have a disastrous season. They always 531 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: have winning seasons. They're always there knocking on the postseason door. 532 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: If not in the problem is they're not winning in 533 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the postseason. So the pressure now is going to be 534 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: intense as they look like a team that is worthy 535 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: of comparisons to the ninety eight Yankees, who won one 536 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five games playoffs included one hundred and 537 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: fourteen in the regular season. They faced so much pressure 538 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: that ninety eighteen, particularly in the Cleveland Series in the 539 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: ALCS when they were down two to one, and they 540 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: survived in in part because I think they won in 541 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: ninety six and they had that championship DNA and muscle 542 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: memory those core guys. This team is going to win 543 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten to one hundred and twelve games, 544 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and there's going to be a moment in the postseason 545 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: when they're gonna face it and they don't have that 546 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: championship DNA and muscle memory that the ninety eight guys had, 547 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: So how are they going to respond to that? What's 548 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: amazing column is they might win one hundred and ten 549 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: plus games and only eliminate from their division the Baltimore Orioles. 550 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: Three wild cards could be could be Tampa, Boston, right, 551 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: and Toronto and so in Baltimore's actually not as bad 552 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: this year as they've been, but if you look at 553 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: it right now, conceivably those could be the wild card teams. 554 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: To be hilarious, if the Yankees did one hundred and 555 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: ten and only knocked out the Orioles in the process. Finally, 556 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: I saw that you gave a speech to the graduating 557 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: class of Marist where you went to school, and I 558 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't know you went to Marist. I was on that campus. 559 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: It's on the Hudson if I recall it. I remember 560 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: driving by it with my wife and there was a 561 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: it is Merist and I said we got to pull 562 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: into this. This is unbelievable, by the way, for anybody 563 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: listening to me that has never been to West Point 564 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: or Marist or along the Hudson in the fall, it 565 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: is the most beautiful place I've ever been to in 566 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: my life. It's absolutely stunningly esthetically perfect. So my favorite 567 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: line ever from a commencement speech is believe it or 568 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: not from John bon Jovi, who once said to a class, 569 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: outline your life in pencil, not pen things will change. 570 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: And I love that line when making a commencement speech. 571 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: And I'll never be asked to do this, nor should 572 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: I be. Who did you lean on for that? Obviously 573 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: your pros stands by itself. But what was the message 574 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: you wanted to convey to young people? Well, first off, 575 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: this is the one benefit to going to a small college. 576 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: You can get picked for things like this. I fully realize. 577 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: Where did you go to school? Column? Eastern Washington University. Okay, 578 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: how's it? Well, they haven't asked you to do a 579 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: commencement address it Well, again, I talked for a living 580 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: on radio. It's not that highly esteemed. Well I don't 581 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: know about that anyway. So I just wanted to talk 582 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: to the students. I didn't want to read a speech. 583 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: I didn't read a speech. It was conversational. It was 584 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: a one way conversation. But I wanted them to feel 585 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: like we were having a conversation. And I just wanted 586 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: to go back to when I was their age. I'm 587 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: fifty seven now, so I tried to put myself back 588 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: to when I was twenty twenty one, and I remember, honestly, 589 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember a single thing about the commencement address 590 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: given to me in nineteen eighty six. So I wanted 591 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: to just try to have them remember one or two things, 592 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: and that is that. And I said, there are plenty 593 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: of people a lot more talented than I am in 594 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: this industry, but I don't think too many people. There 595 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: are some maybe who have worked harder than I have. 596 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: And so I just talked about work ethic and just 597 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: bring it every day and having a hacking every day 598 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: with enthusiasm, and how listen, We're not Harvard, we're not Princeton, 599 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: we're not Yale. But the Marist graduates I know are 600 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: people who do bring it every day. So I just 601 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: wanted them to hear that, to understand I was in 602 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: their position also to realize that, hey, I fully recognize 603 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: this thing is not about me, it's one hundred percent 604 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: about you, But just to try to talk to them 605 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: as if I were their age, and that's all I 606 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: was trying to share. Yeah, it's you know. I've said 607 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: this before, is a lot of reporters become columnists and 608 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: don't spend the time reporting. There's such a joy for 609 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: me to read a book written by you because the 610 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: extensive work. I'm fascinated by it, the time you put in, 611 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: and I think New York demands that the great columnists. 612 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: This is why you're always employed, this is why you 613 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: have so many projects. So as I let you go, 614 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: what is your next project? I think my wife will 615 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: divorce me if I start one right away. Here I 616 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: am closing in on one, and it'll be about Lebron 617 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: James and it'll be unauthorized. And so I think he's 618 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: lived an exceptional American life, and so I look forward 619 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: to diving into that. And my understanding is he's probably 620 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: not thrilled about that prospect, but I don't know. I 621 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: think the people I've profiled in the past, if you 622 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: talk to him, for the most part, would say I've 623 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: been extremely fair and no one's lived a perfect life. 624 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: But I think that at the end of the day, 625 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: that's really more important to me than anything. I remember 626 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned John bon Jovi After the Super Bowl when 627 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: the Patriots won their last Super Bowl. I saw him 628 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: outside the New England locker room and he looked at me, 629 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: and I looked at him, and I shook his hand, 630 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, I just read your book on Bill, 631 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: and you know, Joe, he's been one of Belichick's best 632 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: friends for almost, I don't know, forty years, and he says, 633 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: just wants you to know. I thought it was great. 634 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: I thought you were really fair to Bill. And fairness, 635 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: I said to him, that's more important to me than anything. 636 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: It's just being fair to people. And so he said 637 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: something to the effect of, did Bill say anything to 638 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: you about it? I said, John, you've you've known Bill 639 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: for forty years. You really think he's he's something to 640 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: me about an unauthorized book. So I don't know if 641 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: he thought he got a chuckle out of that or not, 642 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 1: but anyway, so fairness to me is everything and will 643 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: continue to be as as I go forward with this 644 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: project and hopefully others. Great scene him a man. Love 645 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: talking to you. Hey, thank you Colin the volume. Make 646 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. 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