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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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Speaker 1: You guys, be prepared, Be prepared. This is wild. Uh

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Speaker 1: Tori spelling?

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Speaker 2: Hi? Oh my god, I've never heard you say my

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Speaker 2: full name.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: That was so weird. No, it's usually tour. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: got you out of bed, very happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to ask you because

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because I know that you're like very thoughtful

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Speaker 1: about how you present stuff and do things. You don't

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Speaker 1: just do things randomly in your professional personal life, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little random, questionable, much like me. So, why did

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Speaker 1: you choose to do your podcast from your bed?

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Speaker 2: Oh? So, here's not the thought out answer. It just happened.

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Speaker 2: The first one we did, the first episod so at

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Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Hotel and the bed was the only option.

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Speaker 2: But then I liked it. It felt intimate. Yah, I

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Speaker 2: like it. Okay, so I'm gonna continue. But yeah, so

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: Being in the bed, it probably makes you because it

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Speaker 1: feels more intimate, probably makes you feel safer, like you

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Speaker 1: can be a safer but a little bit more raw

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Speaker 1: and vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: Correct. All right, So now now I approve of the bed.

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Speaker 2: I want I should at your dining room table at

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Speaker 2: the head of it. But at least you gave me

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Speaker 2: one I did well, you know.

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Speaker 1: So you and I very recently flew back from Pittsburgh together.

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Speaker 2: We did.

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Speaker 1: My friend has a plane and he was gracious enough

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Speaker 1: because it was my birthday weekend to fly me there

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Speaker 1: and fly a couple of us back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Because we talked a lot, I kind of was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's all the points that we wanted to talk about,

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Speaker 1: So we're kind of gonna relive some of the plane.

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Speaker 2: First of all, that plain experience was amazing. Yep, that

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Speaker 2: was so good. It's yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, we were talking about our friends, probably some

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Speaker 1: of our listeners.

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Speaker 2: We'll remember.

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Speaker 1: Lots of photos paparazzi photos of the two of us

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Speaker 1: out and about I mean, well, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We hit it very hard. Oh my gosh, Roxbury bar One. Wait,

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Speaker 2: can I take it back to the beginning. Yeah, please

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Speaker 2: do going out. Remember the rat party for the pilot

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Speaker 2: I believe it was at Spago, and you and I

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Speaker 2: went and got our hair done that day at the

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Speaker 2: salon that was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I don't

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Speaker 2: remember that. We got our hair done and we went

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Speaker 2: and I think it was at Spago. I know it

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Speaker 2: was at Spago because there's more to this. We went

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Speaker 2: there and at the time, I was like Brian, Brian, Brian.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there a time when I was like Brian, Brian Brian,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, and he was going to go with us,

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Speaker 2: and then he didn't end up and I was like spiraling,

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Speaker 2: like I thought he liked. We didn't eat as usual,

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Speaker 2: like we drank. I was underage, though, yes, so were you.

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Speaker 2: Yes we both were correct. Listen, that's what teenagers do.

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Speaker 2: You know, They sneak their parents sherry or like whatever

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Speaker 2: is around the house. I'm kids. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 2: you should be doing this obviously, but you know, especially

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Speaker 2: not sharing well. I mean, but we were starring on

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Speaker 2: a show. It was your show, basically you and Jason,

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Speaker 2: and we were there as filler at the moment. But

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Speaker 2: and they were all excited, and I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: I was plumbing that, like, oh my god, Brian Austin

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Speaker 2: Green doesn't like me. What do I do? What do

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Speaker 2: I do? And I just remember we ended up in

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Speaker 2: the stall at Spago and you were holding my hair

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Speaker 2: and I was puking up their infamous pasta. That's how

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Speaker 2: I know it was Spago. Yeah, and you were just

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Speaker 2: something but hadn't even. I just right and drank a

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Speaker 2: feel like my parents wanted to ground me, but I

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Speaker 2: and now I'm being grounded because I puked.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough that you got grounded fair enough. And I

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Speaker 2: But even they tried to my dad probably was like, Babe, jam.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we weren't. I wasn't hanging out at the manor

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Speaker 1: season two that I think I stayed at the manor

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Speaker 1: equally as much as you stayed at my house. Correct,

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Speaker 1: And we would often walk into the manor. First off,

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Speaker 1: two things that always stood out to me about the

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Speaker 1: you made the food? She always left like cookies for

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Speaker 1: us in late the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember this.

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Speaker 1: She always loved food and she knew I was always

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Speaker 1: She loved you, and I loved her too. She was

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Speaker 1: then one of the times we went on the elevator

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Speaker 2: Started laughing so hard, like we could not. She always

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Speaker 1: She was mad we were later than normal and she

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Speaker 2: And she was right.

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Speaker 1: The thing was like, we needed to at least call

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Speaker 2: But I was petrified. But you were a year and

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Speaker 2: a half older. That was your responsibility, right technically, but

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Speaker 2: I had also never been out. I love that You're

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Speaker 2: like we didn't call like she was like, it was

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Speaker 2: both of us, but it was That's how my parents

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Speaker 2: felt about Shan Like it was like literally, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was their kids, it was both of us were supposed

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Speaker 1: We had a responsibility, and when neither one of us

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Speaker 1: did it, Candy would get upset. Yeah, fair enough that

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Speaker 1: other ones of us walking out again laughing. I think

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Speaker 1: you and I for two seasons did a lot of

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Speaker 1: laughing until we didn't because of boyfriends. Fair a lot

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Speaker 1: we were best friends. We were sisters, correct, like hardcore sisters.

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Speaker 1: And I know your dad got really upset with me

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Speaker 1: about something and I told this story when Brian I think,

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Speaker 1: for me, you know how like you pulled in guard

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Speaker 1: So your mom was standing there waiting for me again,

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Speaker 1: and she said, I don't care what is ever happening

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Speaker 2: She was the favorite child, so that's that's okay. You

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Speaker 2: were daddy's girl, fair, Yeah, you were daddy's girl. So

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Speaker 2: we were you know, listen, if you were late, I

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Speaker 2: because we were always together and and we were definitely

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Speaker 2: late a few times. Yes, And some cast members didn't

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Speaker 2: really like that, which I understand as well, but I

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Speaker 2: always got the brunt of it you did because they're

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Speaker 2: not going to say something to the producer's daughter, correct,

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Speaker 2: And at the time that is something that I didn't

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Speaker 2: It was hard to see. And I prided myself when

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Speaker 2: that exploded quickly. Yes, and we were young, Like when

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Speaker 2: a really healthy way. You can't. Possibly. We weren't developed.

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Speaker 2: We were teenagers my kids' ages, you know, And I

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Speaker 2: to the Brian market mark picture real quick? So that picture,

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Speaker 2: like it was different back then. You guys like paparazzi

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Speaker 1: And went everywhere, everywhere, absolutely everywhere. There's only one other

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Speaker 2: This is not good. It was always hot when that happened.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so we had a ridiculous amount of fun

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Speaker 1: we did. And again like sisters, like best friends. And

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Speaker 1: then I remember you had We both got boyfriends that

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Speaker 1: ended up being friends and they weren't great, No, they

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Speaker 1: were not good. Both had a lot of issues. They

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Speaker 1: were better to each other than they were to us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so good thing. And I think what we were trying

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Speaker 1: pivotal moment that because it's like one minute we were friends,

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Speaker 1: and then one minute we weren't. Yeah, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think from my perspective as I was looking in now,

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Speaker 2: my downfall. Yeah yeah, you were always easily swayed.

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Speaker 1: And it was very frustrating for me because I always

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Speaker 1: like you're smart, you're funny, you're talented. I loved you

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Speaker 2: out with grip tape, like there was I've, you know,

436
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: photos of it. I even tried to show, like Paul Wagner,

437
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what happened to me, Like

438
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: are you kidding? But it was.

439
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: I think at that point it was so easy to

440
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: blame me. You and I weren't really tight anymore, and

441
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: so I think everybody felt that. There were some people,

442
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say everybody, there were some people

443
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: that felt I didn't have this sort of protection of

444
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: the producer's daughter being my best friend. It was it

445
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: was like all of a sudden, I became open game.

446
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: And then I heard an interview that I think you did,

447
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: and somebody told me about it. I did not hear it,

448
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: so I don't want to quote you, but it'll jog

449
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: your memory.

450
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: That you said.

451
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I was responsible for Shannon getting fired

452
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: to a certain degree because I told my dad about

453
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: the fight and said something had to happen or whatever.

454
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: Do you remember that interview? I do, but I feel

455
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: like the fight wasn't what led to firing. I think

456
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: it was a I would love to know the time

457
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: what because where I said it came right after the fight.

458
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: That is that really? Brian said that shortly after I

459
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: would love a timeline all set down.

460
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: That you guys all set down in Paul Wagner's office,

461
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: which is totally a different day. Though totally different day. Yes, absolutely,

462
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: because it took time to organize everyone, like your dad

463
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: was on a phone call conference call with that with

464
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: you guys, not with us. I wasn't invited. I mean,

465
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: that's what Brice said on the podcast.

466
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty good with memory. I don't remember

467
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: it that way. What happened that morning that it all

468
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: went down that day was, Yeah, it was the makeup trailer.

469
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: There was you were late and I am burst in correct,

470
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to protect people, and it's like, yeah, no,

471
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: I am burst in.

472
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: He didn't notice that my makeup artist was trying to

473
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: cover up all this regulation marks on my neck.

474
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: So yes, that was the day that I was four

475
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: hours late. And then he said, yes, well, was that

476
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: the day called me the C word and a lot

477
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: of other things. By the way, I love Ian you guys,

478
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: so yeah, they're like, like, we love ion and there's

479
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: no hard feeling. Many years ago you guys thirty years ago.

480
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: And also those things that you know, people did not know.

481
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I did not share, and so people did not know,

482
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, why was Shannon four hours late? Like I wasn't,

483
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, when I was late, you were late.

484
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: When you were late. I was late because we always

485
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: drove into work together. When we were always together, and

486
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: then overs like yeah, and then with.

487
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: The you know that time period, if I was late,

488
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: it was because I was you know, injured or trying

489
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: to get somebody to like.

490
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: Get sober. There was an assumption at the time was

491
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 3: that you were, you know, out partying out.

492
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the assumption that they made without

493
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: asking you, like what's going on? So I feel like, yeah,

494
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: they but that day he walked, that was the day.

495
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: So you came in on one side of the trailer,

496
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: he came in the other, and we were all in

497
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: between and the makeup chairs, and that's the day he said,

498
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: you're scun t And then he said, can't understand normal

499
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: thinking because we were all like what you just said her,

500
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: And then he clarified quickly, can't understand normal thinking. And

501
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: I was sitting there just it was terrified. I was

502
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: sitting in the chair. When I heard him scream, I

503
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. And all I could think

504
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: at the time is I knew that was going to

505
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: fire you up because you don't take shit from anyone,

506
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: so it's not like you're going to be like, Okay,

507
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: You're going to come back, which is what I love

508
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: about you. And I was like, oh god, oh man,

509
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: what's this. Oh this isn't good, especially because of me.

510
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: How fucked up I was like, and not drunk, fucked up,

511
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: but oh just not fucked up. I had literally been

512
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: up all night with someone on crystal mess crack like

513
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: everything he can put on his body, who then went

514
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: ballistic on me. I had an ear drum that was

515
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: like bleeding. My father was freaking out. I thought my

516
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: dad was going to go over there and like murder him.

517
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: So for Ian to like come at me, for no

518
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: one to be like he didn't know, Hey, what are

519
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: his knops on your neck?

520
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: Like why? Why is your ear got blood dripping from it?

521
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Like for no one to notice, for no one to

522
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: be like, okay, hold on, maybe this is something a

523
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: lot different. Maybe we should actually ask her if she's okay.

524
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask like, hey, what happened? Like, you're

525
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: four hours late, maybe it was only three. I'm going

526
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: to just boost it the top number of four hours.

527
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: And it really messes up all of our days and

528
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: to you, you know, for Ian it was messing up

529
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: like another job he had to get off work to

530
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: go to another job, like a voiceover thing that he had.

531
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: Both right, so I understood, but I think when he

532
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: came at me like that in that moment, I was

533
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: just so upset that somebody else was coming at me

534
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: and loosed another yeah, and that nobody and particularly that

535
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: your man was now yelling at me and nobody was

536
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: getting my back that I.

537
00:30:45,720 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not having it rightfully. So by the ways,

538
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Speaker 2: aststattoo