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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Gift the

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Speaker 1: charge Podcasters anybody the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is

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Speaker 1: Stephen and I am the host as always. Hopefully you

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Speaker 1: guys had a great holiday weekend. I sure did, and

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to join by my guy Tyler. As always, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: what'sum and how are you doing today? Great man?

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Speaker 2: I am full of Christmas cheer. The house is a

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Speaker 2: complete mess, and there's leftovers in the fridge.

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Speaker 1: All's good man, Yeah, the leftovers. I'm excited to jump

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Speaker 1: on those later today. So we're recording this on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We have a great show planning for you guys today.

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Speaker 1: As always, we're joined by a very special guest, mister

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Speaker 1: Tej Seth, who's one of the best in the business

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Speaker 1: in the analytical world. We wanted to get his thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the Chargers GM search and we greatly appreciate his

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Speaker 1: thoughts there. And then Tyler and I will jump back

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Speaker 1: afterwards and we'll have some thoughts on the Chargers and

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Speaker 1: Bills game that unfolded last Saturday. Was a very entertaining game,

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Speaker 1: and we have some thoughts that we wanted to dive into.

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Speaker 1: So before we get to both of those first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: Tyler and I are fans of the team. We've been

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Speaker 1: given this platform by the charters, but we are not

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Speaker 1: Chargers employees, and the opinions that we share on this

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Speaker 1: show and every week on the show are ours and

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Speaker 1: ours alone. That being said, let's get into this interview

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Speaker 1: with mister Teeth. All right, guys, welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Guiltiest Charge Podcast. We have a very special guest to

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Speaker 1: join us now, and that is mister Tage Seth. He

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Speaker 1: is one of the best analytics follows in the game

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Speaker 1: if you are into that aspect of things. He does

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Speaker 1: data science for Sumer Sports currently PFF formerly and you

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Speaker 1: might recognize his co host as well, Sean Saide has

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Speaker 1: been on the show previously of stats and scheme. So

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Speaker 1: we're very excited to have Taj on the show today

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Speaker 1: to discuss the Chargers general manager search. This is obviously

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Speaker 1: a just as important, if not more important search than

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Speaker 1: the head coaching position, and Tej is one of the

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Speaker 1: best in the business to discuss those things with, so

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Speaker 1: we're really happy to have Tejon tag. How you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I've been a fan of

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Speaker 4: you guys content for a long time. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: obviously really close with Argent menon who you guys do

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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff with and you know, watched a

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Speaker 4: lot of your shows.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited to be here today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited about you as well. Absolutely, So there's

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Speaker 1: we want to kind of you know, start from a

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Speaker 1: broader sense here and then we'll discuss some individual names.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to the GM search, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of obviously front office personnel positions that the Chargers

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Speaker 1: the the different varieties here here. You know, Jojo Wooden

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Speaker 1: on the pro personnel side. There's obviously director of Scouting,

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Speaker 1: there's assistant managers. We wanted to get your thoughts here

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Speaker 1: on if there is a quote unquote best background for

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Speaker 1: a GM. You know, Tom Seleski comes from scouting more

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Speaker 1: so that regard in your opinion, is there a person

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great question, and you're probably gonna

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Speaker 4: hear me say this a lot of times throughout this show.

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Speaker 4: But I'm in the mindset of when you are drafting players.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of randomness involved in the

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Speaker 4: I think from a team building standpoint and what you

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Speaker 3: Most as a general manager.

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Speaker 4: So when I look around the league at different backgrounds,

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Speaker 4: I'm more keen to the football administration side of things

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Speaker 4: I look at some of my favorite general managers in

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Speaker 4: and you know, Howie Roseman was that job previously before

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Speaker 2: That's a great answer, and so thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for providing that particular response, because I'm looking through all

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Speaker 2: because obviously the charges are looking for a new GM,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean forward thinking, creative.

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Speaker 4: I think zoo is something that you know can benefit

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Speaker 3: And you know, it is nice to see that at least.

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Speaker 4: That they have some sort of guidelines when it comes

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Speaker 4: want to allocate your resources. Oftentimes that is things or

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Speaker 4: think there's a pretty famous interview question that gets thrown

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Speaker 4: And so I think that is something that hopefully the

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Speaker 3: Something also that I think that the.

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Speaker 4: ability to manage the salary cap.

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Speaker 4: When you look at where the Chargers are and all

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Speaker 4: in regards to the salary cap between Khalil Mack and

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Speaker 4: So someone that has a general understanding of the way

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Speaker 4: to them. And then they also should figure out if

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Speaker 4: they want a GM that optimizes for season by season

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Speaker 4: or long term. And I think that you see these

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Speaker 4: you think about an organization like the Packers, where they've

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Speaker 4: over year. I'm not saying there's a particularly better approach,

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Speaker 4: but I think that the Chargers should find that out

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great point because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on Chargers fandom on the media talking about

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Speaker 1: the Chargers that are almost kind of split. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people will present this idea that they should you

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Speaker 1: and Rashaun Slater and Derwin James, there are other people

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Speaker 1: who say that they should, you know, tried and salvage

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Speaker 1: extend Keenan Allen, extend Khalil Mack and kind of try

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Speaker 1: and keep some of this core together here. In your opinion,

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Speaker 1: what would be I guess, the more sound approach in

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Speaker 1: that regard of trying to completely reset this roster and

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Speaker 1: build towards the future, or like, let's try and keep

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Speaker 4: That's a great question, and you know, I think it's

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Speaker 4: really bear out, But I think personally the Chargers should

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Speaker 4: look to really increase the amount of young players they

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Speaker 4: want to start turning over some of those stones in

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Speaker 4: like Rashaan Slater, Justin Herbert and Dorian James who are

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Speaker 4: You look at a team like the Texans this year,

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Speaker 3: They wanted to put CJ. Shadd and Will Anderson into

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Speaker 4: And hitting on both of those picks and decisions ended

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Speaker 4: take you from fringe playoff contender to someone who competes for,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love that. What do you think would

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Speaker 2: be more beneficial in terms of background for a candidate

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Speaker 4: I really like that question, and I think it goes

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Speaker 4: back to some of the studies that have been done

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Speaker 4: on big fish and little pond versus little fish.

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Speaker 3: And big pond.

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Speaker 4: And when you when you look at these types of

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Speaker 4: getting this diversity of experience working for multiple teams like

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Tyler, where they're able to do a lot

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Speaker 4: of different stuff for a lot of different teams and

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Speaker 4: see how different organizations are run. That's always the side

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Speaker 4: I think that it's it's really good to get these

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Speaker 4: these multiple experiences across the board, And for the Chargers

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Speaker 4: in particular, I think that something that you know they

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Speaker 4: candidates is what are these candidates done with teams that

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's a great point, especially because you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that is a great name

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the forty nine ers are so impressive, and Steven

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Speaker 1: All right, Tay, do you have let's start with this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two great candidates. There plenty of really good candidates.

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Speaker 2: I feel like historically that is has been the case

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a really good point to bring up.

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Speaker 4: Like this is pretty obvious, is there just really needs

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it you know, really comes down to,

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Speaker 4: GM jobs for a couple of years now and like

440
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Speaker 4: his resume really speaks for himself. You know, had a decent,

441
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Speaker 4: decently large involvement in building out the legion of Boom

442
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Speaker 4: for Seattle, and then you look at what he's done

443
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Speaker 4: since then and how that you know, talent often seems

444
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Speaker 4: to follow him in different directions. And so I think

445
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Speaker 4: that he's someone that is definitely a very viable candidate

446
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 4: for the Chargers if he wants the job. I think

447
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 4: that the thing about him has always been that he's

448
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: pretty happy with his current state of you know, where

449
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 4: he works and how well you know, he's compensated in

450
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 4: the different factors in that. So I think that he

451
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Speaker 4: is someone that, you know, it might come down to

452
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Speaker 4: whether he actually wants the job himself, more of if

453
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Speaker 4: the Chargers you know, or another team looking for a

454
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Speaker 4: GM wants him.

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Speaker 3: And then sorry, who was the.

456
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Speaker 1: Other Canada Cunningham in Chicago?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so yeah, I mean Ian Cunningham. I think

458
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Speaker 4: is someone that's really interesting as well because like I

459
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: have been pretty optimistic about the Bears, you know, team

460
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Speaker 4: building now, and I know he used to be with

461
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Speaker 4: the Eagles, I believe beforehand. So I think I think

462
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Speaker 4: that he's someone again that they have an understanding of

463
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Speaker 4: when you have these resources, what is the best way

464
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 4: to allocate the resources across the board? And the Bears

465
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Speaker 4: have had a certain philosophy with that that's been a

466
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Speaker 4: little bit different than the Eagles philosophy. So again entirely

467
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Speaker 4: like you brought up earlier, like the different philosophies and

468
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Speaker 4: getting that diversity of experience, and I think that he's

469
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Speaker 4: someone that would really fall in that bucket.

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Speaker 2: Would be remiss if I didn't at least mention Jojo

471
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Speaker 2: wouldn't here to close things out. There's a lot to way,

472
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Speaker 2: of course, in the situation because you know, again we're

473
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Speaker 2: talking about rules and certain things. Tom Telesco being the

474
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Speaker 2: general manager, how much does this person, how much is

475
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Speaker 2: he involved in, what does he be involved in, what

476
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Speaker 2: are the successes not successes, et cetera. Thoughts on him

477
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Speaker 2: in general, his role and the charge of situation overall. There.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it is really interesting that Jojo Wooden

479
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 4: was someone who was on a lot of these preseason

480
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Speaker 4: lists for GM candidates, you know, even before the Chargers

481
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Speaker 4: decided to fire Tom Telesco. So, you know, I think

482
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Speaker 4: putting him in as interim GM, you're not going to

483
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Speaker 4: learn a ton from a lot of his his you know,

484
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Speaker 4: actual moves that he's going to make, just because it's

485
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Speaker 4: so late in the season and you don't know exactly.

486
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Speaker 3: What he's going to do.

487
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Speaker 4: But like I think even just something as simple as

488
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Speaker 4: waiving Sebastian Joseph Day as he did, shows that at

489
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Speaker 4: least he's going to try to help this roster in

490
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Speaker 4: this limited experience, and maybe that turns into a full

491
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Speaker 4: time thing for him, which I think would be really

492
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Speaker 4: exciting for him, and I know a lot of Chargers

493
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Speaker 4: fans would like that as well. But like you know,

494
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Speaker 4: I think the Charges, as long as they're pretty clear

495
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Speaker 4: with him about you know, they're going to treat him

496
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Speaker 4: like as a candidate like other candidates that the firm

497
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Speaker 4: ends up finding for them, And I think as long

498
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Speaker 4: as they're fair about that, he can definitely be involved

499
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Speaker 4: in this GM search for the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he's been a name on the radar

501
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: for a few years. Brad Spielbergers has highlighted his name

502
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: a couple of times. You know, he's on the pro

503
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: person outside for the charters, so pretty interesting to see

504
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: where his candidcy ends up there. But Ted Man, appreciate

505
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Speaker 1: the time. This has been very insightful. Hopefully, Charger fans

506
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Speaker 1: you go give Ted a follow on social media and

507
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Speaker 1: then check out stats and scheme as well. You've now

508
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Speaker 1: heard from both of the hosts on that show, and

509
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Speaker 1: hopefully you guys have enjoyed both of their work. So tes, thanks,

510
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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Man. We look forward

511
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Speaker 1: to chatting down the road.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of fun, all right, so we'll

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Speaker 1: on location. All right, Tyler, again, like I said, greatly

524
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Speaker 1: appreciate Tej in his time today. Any big thoughts that

525
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Speaker 1: break takeaway that you had from our discussion with him.

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Speaker 2: I just loved the one hundred points question, and now

527
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: my brain is spinning about how I would answer that

528
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: and how I would completely botch it. I knew you

529
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Speaker 2: would give ninety nine points to the offensive line and

530
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Speaker 2: one to a tight end just to make sure we

531
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Speaker 2: had the tight end in there, but I am curious

532
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Speaker 2: how that question would be answered. And now it really

533
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: does everything tedch talked about. I'm now adjusting or considering

534
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: different changes to our GM candidate rankings, which we'll talk

535
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: about on our show because of what he discussed. So

536
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Speaker 2: great information, amazing as always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, the importance of diversity of

538
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: background is super important because you know, GM, it's not

539
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: just like they're in charge. I mean, they are in

540
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: charge of everything, right, it's ultimately their final say on

541
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Speaker 1: the roster and everything like that. But if you are

542
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Speaker 1: a GM Kennedy who's worked like exclusively in the pro

543
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Speaker 1: personnel side of things, like you probably are a little

544
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Speaker 1: limited in the draft side of things, you might be

545
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Speaker 1: a little limited on the salary cap side of things

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Speaker 1: or vice versa. So I think somebody that has that

547
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Speaker 1: experience from a variety of backgrounds and a variety of

548
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: places as well, I think is super important. And I

549
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Speaker 1: think those are two areas where I'm going to look

550
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Speaker 1: more into on my GM rankings personally, Like Tyler sched

551
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Speaker 1: will dive into that on our own show, but I

552
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Speaker 1: think that point was super important for me. It's just

553
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Speaker 1: somebody who as an ability to come from different places,

554
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: different backgrounds, and be able to have that variety of experience. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love the suggestions from TEDJ there because the starting

556
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: process for this for GM searches to me is, Okay,

557
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: who's who's drafted well or who's got the best team? Like, okay,

558
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: so who are the successful teams? Let's pull from there.

559
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: But there are plenty of successful teams, So how do

560
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: we now start sifting through and parsing who's kind of who,

561
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Speaker 2: who's done what, et cetera. That'll be the fun stuff.

562
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Speaker 2: So I'm excited to dive into that more.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, So everybody got their weekend started, obviously

564
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Speaker 1: by watching the Chargers and Bills game on Saturday on

565
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the Peacock, which was an interesting experience on Peacock. I

566
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy about the no commercial fourth corner personally, but

567
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: it is what it is, so we'll dive into some

568
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: of the game here. We did have some thoughts on

569
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Speaker 1: our show on Saturday right afterwards. Obviously have to give

570
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to Gift Smith and the

571
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Speaker 1: way that coaching staff got this team ready. But either

572
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: what was kind of your big takeaway from Saturday Night?

573
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Speaker 2: That Cameron Dicker is an All Pro kicker, whether he

574
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: is voted in or not read a point where I

575
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: think we discussed it on the show as well. Cameron Dicker.

576
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Speaker 2: There are good kickers, there are really good kickers, and

577
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Speaker 2: then there are automatic ones. And Cameron Dicker is now

578
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: in that automatic territory. And the whole operation is automatic

579
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Speaker 2: from Josh Harrison, the snap JK Scott, and the hold

580
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: Cameron Dicker and the kick is an automatic operation. Now

581
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: he hasn't missed since September and he's only missed two

582
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: field goals in the regular season the last two seasons.

583
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Speaker 2: Cameron Dicker is incredible. We talked I think a week

584
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Speaker 2: or two before the season about how my longevity in

585
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: life and my health and my heart health depends tremendously

586
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Speaker 2: on the success of the kicker. Well, I'm going to

587
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: see a few more Christmases because of Cameron Dicker. He's outstanding,

588
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: and he's about halfway to one hundred attempts, so it's

589
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Speaker 2: going to take a bit to get there. Are a

590
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Speaker 2: couple of seasons at least, but once he reaches that

591
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: minimum of one hundred attempts, we can start ranking him

592
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Speaker 2: against all the other kickers in NFL history. And if

593
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: he can hover above like ninety one percent for the

594
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Speaker 2: rest of at least for the next couple of years,

595
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: he could be the most accurate kicker in NFL history

596
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: through their careers, at least up through that point. If

597
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: he can sustain that, we'll see. But he's at a

598
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Speaker 2: trajectory at ninety five point seven percent, where again only

599
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Speaker 2: two missed field goals, no missed extra points in the

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Speaker 2: regular season. This dude is on his way to being

601
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Speaker 2: one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history. And frankly,

602
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: I am stoked you mentioned on Twitter no worries when

603
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: he went out for the fifty three yarder. Not a

604
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Speaker 2: single worry, and I felt the same way. Usually I'm

605
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm sweating, I'm dripping sweat, and I'm

606
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: wringing my hands and I'm just so worried about what's

607
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: going to happen. And Cameron Dicker just now it's no problem.

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Speaker 2: It is no problem. I haven't felt this way in

609
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Speaker 2: a very long time. The Charges have had at least

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Speaker 2: ten to twelve kickers since twenty sixteen trying to find

611
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Speaker 2: the next guy. They've found their guy, and heck, Brian

612
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Ficken and the special teams are so good that they

613
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: found their guy, and they gave the Browns their guy too,

614
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: Like how amazing is that? Anyway, Cameron Dicker future All Pro,

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Speaker 2: whether this year or the next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was, rightfley, some skepticism about his

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Speaker 1: long term candacy as a kicker. You know, he hit

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent last season for the Chargers, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of that was you know, fifty yards in in

620
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Speaker 1: so there were some people pointing out, like, we need

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Speaker 1: to see more a little bit here, and he's followed

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Speaker 1: up with arguably the greatest kicking season in Chargers history.

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Speaker 1: He right now just broke the record for most fifty

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Speaker 1: yard made field goals in a Chargers season, and he's

625
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Speaker 1: doing ninety six percent overall as a success rate, so

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Speaker 1: he's improved from that ninety five percent rate while kicking

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Speaker 1: from further distances, so he's having an outstanding season. He's

628
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Speaker 1: an electric personality, obviously, as we all saw the video.

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Speaker 1: You know, I asked Darius Davis on Friday about him,

630
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Speaker 1: and the the team loves Cameron Dicker, So I think

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Speaker 1: there is a fun aspect there where a lot of

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Speaker 1: times a kicker can kind of be isolated just due

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Speaker 1: to the nature of his position. But camer Dicker is

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Speaker 1: one of the guys, you know, and I think it's

635
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Speaker 1: just fantastic to see but on the field, man like,

636
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: it's just such a calming presence about him. You know.

637
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: We saw this weekend several teams punt instead of trying

638
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: to kick a fifty five yard field goal, fifty six

639
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Speaker 1: yard field goal, and I'm like, if I have Cameron

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Speaker 1: Dicker on my team, I'm cool with that at any distance,

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Speaker 1: at at in any arena, any stadium, because I just

642
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: trust him to, you know, hit in clutch situations like

643
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: that fifty three yardfield goal could have been good from

644
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: sixty yards like it was right down the middle. It

645
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: had plenty of distance. He's just such a joy to

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Speaker 1: watch from a kicking standpoint, and he's becoming a legitimate

647
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: weapon from a special team standpoint. So the pairing of

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Speaker 1: him and Darius Davis in particular has been a ton

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Speaker 1: of fun to watch. It's given the Chargers an edge

650
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: in several games this season, and a lot of that

651
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: is obviously due to the coaching and scouting from Ryan

652
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Speaker 1: Ficken and the rest of the Special team staff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a tremendous overhaul. I don't know where

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00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: they stand currently in Dvoway, but they were first. I

655
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: can't imagine they're too far off at this point, regardless

656
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: of the top five unit. And you can clearly see

657
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: it on the field once again. Primetime Ficken shows up again.

658
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: Kevin Dicker are doing very well. They're the Chargers forcing

659
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: a fumble as well. More Primetime Ficken. It's a real

660
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: thing apparently, and I love it.

661
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about Primetime Herbert being a thing. Primetime

662
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Ficken is also very much a thing. So unfortunately, probo

663
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: voting is ended. It has ended at the time of

664
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: recording this, so hopefully Chargers fans have done enough to

665
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: get those two gentlemen into the probow because they're very deserving.

666
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway, We've kind of tied this in with

667
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: the GM searching today, right and I want to highlight

668
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Gerald Everett and a lowhe Gillman, two guys who are

669
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: free agents at the end of the season. Two guys

670
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: who made big plays on Saturday and have made big

671
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: plays throughout their ten year over the last two years,

672
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: specifically for the Chargers, And I think part of this

673
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: ties into the GM search because those two guys represent

674
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: the meat of the roster, the depth of the roster.

675
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: They're not the star players, but they are key starting

676
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: caliber players. And maybe in a different world, Jered Everett

677
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: is kind of your tight end two instead of your

678
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: tight end one. Maybe a LOOKI Gillman, it's your safety

679
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: three instead of your safety two. You know, maybe you

680
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: can find upgrades over them, but that doesn't mean they

681
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the roster. And I think both of

682
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: those two players represent positions that are not premium positions,

683
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: positions that are you know, teams try and cycle through

684
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: and find the next upgrade positions, but both of them

685
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: are players that should be resigned by whoever the GM

686
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: and head coaching candidates come in. In my opinion, I

687
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: think both of them have such a spark plug nature

688
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: to their game. I mean, how often have we seen

689
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: the Chargers offense kind of struggle a little bit. Give

690
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Jerald Everton a screen pass and he just bowldozes over

691
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: two guys and then the offense gets clicking. How many

692
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: times have we seen the defense just need a key stop,

693
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: need a key turnover and it's a Lowhi Gillman who

694
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: is the one who forces it or the one who

695
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: comes up in run support and gets a key tackle

696
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: for loss. It's just remarkable that the ability and consistency

697
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: of those two have to just make plays and key moments.

698
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: And because of that, I think like those two players

699
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: should be brought back, and I think it helps the

700
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: roster overall. I think it provides this you know, new

701
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: trend so to speak, of keeping those guys around, which

702
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: is is not really something we've seen. I mean, a

703
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Lohi Gillman would be the third day, three day two

704
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: pick to get a second contract from Tom to Lesco's regime.

705
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: So I think that would be cool to see. And

706
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: then Jared vert On offense, has you know, developed such

707
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: a strong rapport with with Justin Herbert. I would hate

708
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: to lose that doesn't sound like it's a great tight

709
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: end class incoming. Obviously we're on the product Bower's train,

710
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: but maybe you don't even have the chance to get

711
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: him right. So I just think it makes too much

712
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: sense to keep those guys around. I thought both of

713
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: them played awesome on Saturday. I thought both of them

714
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: have had some really great moments throughout the season, and

715
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: they deserve to be kept around.

716
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the next GM. One thing we talked about last

717
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: week on this show that I we've been frustrated with

718
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: is the lack of retention of players. And we discussed naturally,

719
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: there is a lot of turnover when you have new

720
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: coaches and losing seasons, and you know Cap moves this

721
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: in that way Rivers contract versus a rookie contract for Herbert,

722
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: But the Chargers have to do better retaining some of

723
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: these players. And they also have to just make sure

724
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: they find players that have like play over payment, over

725
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: expected payment or whatever. I don't know, like they based

726
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: on the dollar value, produce more value, thank you for

727
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: what they're being paid. I don't know what these two

728
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: guys are going to get in their next contracts, but

729
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's you know, there's no twenty million

730
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: dollar a year contract over here. These guys have got

731
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: good contracts, and they deserve to get good contracts for

732
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: their play. But these are the kinds of free agents,

733
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: the kinds of players that the GM should be looking for,

734
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: either to retain or to find in free agency. If

735
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: the Chargers don't have a ton of money, So who

736
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: can you find, like in a low gilt like the

737
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: fact that he can give you a generated turnover per game.

738
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: You know, yes, there's some solid safety play in there,

739
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: but there's a little bit more. There's that turnover that

740
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: he can generate per game where there's an interception, whether

741
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: it's a force, fumble, turnover on downs, you name it,

742
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: Gerald Everett, you know, good tight end will play you

743
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: know well, but then there's this extra thing that he

744
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: can do. And I don't want the Charges to go

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: into this next draft and think, hey, we can just

746
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: find replacements for these guys, no problem. That's kind of

747
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: been their achilles. He'll anyway, there's an expectation that because

748
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: they think they can draft well, and they think that

749
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: we've got these picks that we can just go find

750
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: these guys. Well, you can also go an entire draft

751
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: in a great tight end class and not select a

752
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: tight end like that can also happen to you. And

753
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't want the Charges to go into the next

754
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: class where it sounds like it's Bowers and everybody else

755
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: and not have that, you know, not have Gerald Everett.

756
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: So do I expect these guys to be elite at

757
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: their position. Not necessarily, I really don't. They've been really

758
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: good to great players and really great in some moments

759
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: in some games. But the Chargers need that, you know,

760
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: the Chargers just need quality here, just nice, solid quality players.

761
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: Don't let these guys go. I was on the same

762
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: page as you. I was going to talk about Gilman

763
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: and Everett and Cameron Dicker of course as takeaways for this. So, yeah,

764
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: these three guys really deserve to be brought back.

765
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Cameron Dicker's contract traduition, as I think he's

766
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: a restricted free agent, gives the Chargers a little bit

767
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: more leeway there. But obviously Alohi, Gillan and Joe Whatevertt

768
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: are unrestricted free agents, so we'll have to see that's

769
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: ultimately a much more GM decision than Cameron Dicker is.

770
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: So last point I wanted to touch on is the

771
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: play of easton Stick. We now have the ability to

772
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: obviously look at the numbers. I have not watched the

773
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: film yet, obviously busy with Christmas and everything like that.

774
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: But now that we've had some time to sit on it, Tyler,

775
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: what did you make of of East and sixth performance

776
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night.

777
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: I'll actually start with the offense overall. It really felt

778
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: like this was an offense more tailored to suit Eastern

779
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: Stick for better or worse than some situations. Third down

780
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: draw play didn't work out, but getting him involved overall

781
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: with his legs was great. Some of the easier stuff

782
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: was there, but there was also some you know, taking

783
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: chances and trying to push the ball down the field.

784
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Josh Palmer, you know, showing out again.

785
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: I thought Eastern Stick looked much better and it looked

786
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: like it's just suited him more in this game. So

787
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: he was improved from the previous week for sure, and

788
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: improved from the week against the Broncos. It just it

789
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: looked like a better, cleaner operation overall, and for the

790
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: Chargers to even be even remotely close to in this game.

791
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: One speaks to the defense, sure, but also speaks to

792
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: what Eastern Stick in this offense and Austin Eckler and

793
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: the offensive line and these guys were able to do.

794
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: They couldn't fix everything, you know, the offense still had

795
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: some of their issues. There were still the late game

796
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: protection issues, Eastern Stick maybe holding onto the ball a

797
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: bit too long, scrambling into a sack, that sort of thing. Like, overall,

798
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: there was I think an elevation to this offense that

799
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: starts with Kellen Moore and then continues and is really

800
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: in big part because of Easton six improved play.

801
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought there was definitely a greater influence on

802
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: from Eastern six legs and his ability to run the football.

803
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: PFF had him at five design runs, one scramble for

804
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: what it's worth. Was not a fan of the quarterback

805
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: draw on third and long, but you know, it is

806
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: what it is. But I thought overall, Easton Stick played

807
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: very well. I think for me, the greater influence of

808
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: his legs helped out. But also I think Eastern Stick

809
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: just protected the football a lot more. You know, he

810
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: had some really nice throws against the Raiders in the

811
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: second half, particularly, but there were some throws that were

812
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: credited as turnover worthy plays from PFF On Saturday, they

813
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: had zero turnover worthy plays from Eastern six, So that

814
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: was super important in that game against the buff Low Bills,

815
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: who are a lot of people are back on them

816
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: as like a Super Bowl contender, you know, that caliber

817
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: of team. You have to protect the football, you have

818
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: to you know, turn them all over on defense, and

819
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: the Chargers did those two things, and Easton Stick deserves

820
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for that. He took a couple

821
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: of sacks that I wasn't crazy about, but we have

822
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: to remember that this is his first stretch of games

823
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: starting in a regular season, like there's going to be

824
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: some bumps. But I think you look at the improvement

825
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: overall for Eastern Stick and the improvement that he's made

826
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: in just the last two and a half games, and

827
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: I think you can be pretty excited about his potential

828
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: as a long term backup. And I think obviously we

829
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: would all love to see Justin Herbert around here, but

830
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: getting these kind of games out for east and Stick

831
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: is so valuable from a team building perspective, and also

832
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: obviously from an Eastern Stick perspective, So I think he

833
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: played pretty well. He was the Charger's highest graded offensive

834
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: player according to PFF. If that's something you're into. Just

835
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: beating out Rashaun Slater who allowed zero pressures again, shout

836
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: out back. We are back to Slater Island. Guy is

837
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: finally healthy and he looks like it and he's playing

838
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: like it. So but overall, I thought East and Stick

839
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: played well. I've I've enjoyed watching the offense under him,

840
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, relatively to the scale obviously, but I'm excited

841
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: to see what he can do over the last two weeks.

842
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously you hope to never have answered the Ken

843
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: easton Stick play in the NFL question, at least with

844
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 2: the Charges, because you have Justin Herbert. But the silver

845
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: line to this is you do get to answer that question.

846
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: And while it's not perfect, he's a backup quarterback, and

847
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: I think that he has performed solid given the circumstances

848
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: and of course the quick turnaround of having to hello,

849
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: you're the starter.

850
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: Here you go.

851
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: So if he can maintain this, you know, against the

852
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: Broncos part two and against the Chiefs, you're feeling really

853
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: good about him as a backup quarterback moving forward. This

854
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: team has so many question marks at so many different positions.

855
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: If you can at least like, if you can solve

856
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: a problem the backup quarterback issue with Easton Stick, a

857
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: guy you already have on your roster, you're feeling better

858
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: about next season, Like how many questions can we answer

859
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: heading into next year? Easton Stick is so far answering

860
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: the call.

861
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: I think you take it. Obviously, we would all love

862
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: to see a full season from Justin Herbert. But I

863
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: think the fact that this season is unfolded the way

864
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: it did and Easton Sticking is playing in this and

865
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: kind of environment can only suit him better for his

866
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: career long term, because you look at these teams around

867
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: the league that are trying to fight for playoff spots,

868
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Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, like this week, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Joshua Dobbs. This week, we're gonna have Nick Mullens this week,

870
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have PJ. Walker. This week, we're gonna have

871
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco come off the street. Like these teams are

872
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: trying to find if these backup quarterbacks can play, the

873
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Chargers will be able to look back at this five

874
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and a half game stretch from Easton Stick and potentially

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable with any opportunity in the future where East

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00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: and Stick might have to come into a game. So again,

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Speaker 1: obviously we wish the season we're better, we wish the

878
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: season we're healthy, justin Herbert, but Easton Stick getting this

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00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: opportunity I think could be a blessing in this guise

880
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: for him obviously and for the team, you know, long term,

881
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: because there's really nothing at stake here, Like there's no

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Speaker 1: like Eastern six losing us a game to cost us

883
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Speaker 1: playoff seeding, Eastern six losing a game whatever. He's just

884
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: able to go out there and play and not have

885
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Speaker 1: that pressure of like we have to win this game

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Speaker 1: in order to stay float in the playoffs. Obviously the

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00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: team wants to win, the Eastern Stick wants to win,

888
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: but there's that added pressure of meaningful playoff football games

889
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: is not there. So I think it lends itself to

890
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Speaker 1: Eastern Stick developing at a higher rate than maybe otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no pressure to have to win. There's no

892
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: real cost to the playoffs, and so I do want

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Speaker 2: to talk about the team for a second here, because

894
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: there really was no you know, playoff reason to go

895
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Speaker 2: out there and fight as hard as they did. They

896
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Speaker 2: really only had each other and their new interim head

897
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: coach and their new defensive coordinator, a couple of changes

898
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: on the roster, and they played with a ton of pride.

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Speaker 2: I was truly entertain and proud, honestly as a Chargers

900
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: fan to watch the Chargers go out there and compete.

901
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 2: They lost, Sure, that's the Buffalo Bills. They're a good

902
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: team who just bludgeon the Cowboys, and they have their quarterback,

903
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: they have Josh Allen, he as an MVP candidate every

904
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Speaker 2: single year for the Chargers, and in particular the defense.

905
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Speaker 2: To go out and fight as hard as they did

906
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: was truly impressive. You know, as fans, Chargers may win,

907
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: the Chargers may lose, but just feeling proud of watching

908
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: your team it feels really good. Honestly, it was a

909
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: very entertaining game. I thought it was not going to

910
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: be an entertaining game and ended up being one that

911
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Speaker 2: I was truly invested in because you could see these

912
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: guys all just fighting for each other and that was

913
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Speaker 2: really impressive and really speaks to the character of a

914
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Speaker 2: lot of those guys in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think gif Smith did a wonderful job turning

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Speaker 1: things around this week. You felt it during the press

917
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Speaker 1: conferences during the week that he was going going to

918
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Speaker 1: try to coach for these players and help these players

919
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Speaker 1: get quality film out there and restore pride over the

920
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Speaker 1: last three weeks. And I think he's done that. They

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Speaker 1: might not win the other two games, but I think

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the Chargers players can

923
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Speaker 1: be proud of what they put out on tape on Saturday,

924
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Speaker 1: and I think that trend is going to continue under Giftsmith.

925
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Speaker 1: So it was. It was certainly a much more fun

926
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Speaker 1: game than I was previously anticipated. I mean, the Chargers

927
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Speaker 1: were twelve and a half thirteen point underdogs according to

928
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Speaker 1: Vegas heading into the game, and the Bills coming off

929
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Speaker 1: a huge win against the Dallas Cowboys, and there is

930
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: that playoff hype around them again, and maybe they'll win

931
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Speaker 1: the division in the AFC East, maybe they'll contend for

932
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. All this stuff, and they still might,

933
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Speaker 1: but you know, there's just the aspect of being a

934
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Speaker 1: big home underdog and playing well. Then I think can

935
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Speaker 1: let itself towards some positive momentum in sum regard. Obviously,

936
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Speaker 1: the season has lost, the Charges were officially eliminated on Saturday,

937
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Speaker 1: but you know, finishing these two games strong, I think

938
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Speaker 1: can do so much for a lot of different players,

939
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Speaker 1: a lot of different coaches, and I think, you know,

940
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Speaker 1: it's at least enjoyable to watch again on Saturday, and

941
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Speaker 1: it was fun to see the development of certain players.

942
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Speaker 1: It was fun to see obviously Cameron Dicker and Jaredever

943
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Speaker 1: and the logan gilm and all these guys play well.

944
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Speaker 1: I'm still hoping for some of Khalil mack sacks down

945
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Speaker 1: the road. We need to get him back on track,

946
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: and the record is probably out of reach, but it's

947
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Speaker 1: still within reach that he could lead the league in sacks,

948
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Speaker 1: which I think would be really cool. So that's that's

949
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Speaker 1: kind of my one remaining wish list for the Charges

950
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: two seasons is to get Khalil Mack back on tap

951
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Speaker 1: of the sack leaderboard.

952
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Speaker 2: It's funny because at this point, you know, sacks are

953
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 2: not the end all be all for an edge rusher.

954
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: It's pressure rate, it's pressures, it's hits, et cetera. And

955
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Speaker 2: he's getting all those pressures and doing the things that

956
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: make him an elite edge rusher. But we really want

957
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Speaker 2: those sacks man, we really need him to and of

958
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: course he does, I'm sure too, at least a couple more,

959
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Speaker 2: give me, give me a couple more. Close out the

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Speaker 2: season on a high note, looking forward to those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, per all right, uh, Tyler, any final thoughts before

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Speaker 1: we head out for today.

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Speaker 2: I'll just end with this one, which is a kind

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Speaker 2: of a bummer thing to end on. Derwin James played

965
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Speaker 2: the fewest snaps of his NFL career in any games

966
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Speaker 2: that he's finished. I'm just putting that in opinon that

967
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: now in case we need to address this in a

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Speaker 2: couple of games moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot of emphasis on him playing

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Speaker 1: in the slot closer to the line of scrimmage. I

971
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Speaker 1: think reducing the role overall for Derwin is smart coaching

972
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Speaker 1: by Derek Ansley and Gift Smith. I was not expecting

973
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Speaker 1: him to be basically the starting slot player, so it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see. Was that maybe a Stefan Diggs thing.

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Speaker 1: Was that keeping him in a relative to the team

976
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Speaker 1: that they were playing, or what is the role going forward?

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Speaker 1: I think is important. But I think Derwin James in

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Speaker 1: Brandon Stay's defense was playing six different positions, and it

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Speaker 1: was one of the things that made him so much

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00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: fun to watch last year. But I think this year

981
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Speaker 1: was just became a little bit too much for him

982
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Speaker 1: and for everybody else in the secondary. So I'm gonna

983
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Speaker 1: be interested to see what Derek Ansley has in store

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Speaker 1: for the final two games here all right, appreciate Tyler

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Speaker 1: for joining me as always. Appreciate Ted for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. Seriously, if you guys are not following him,

987
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: please go check out his work. He does a lot

988
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: of great stuff on summer sports stats and scheme on

989
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: his own podcast, and we greatly appreciate his time for

990
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: joining us. Shout out to Greg Kim for producing the

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Speaker 1: show and the Chargers for having us on the show

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00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: every single week. We greatly appreciate it. Make sure subscribe

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Speaker 1: comment like all that good stuff. We appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you guys in the great support. Hopefully you have a

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Speaker 1: great holiday the rest of your holiday weekend, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. As always, bult up