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Speaker 2: wanted to talk about I was thinking about some stuff, right,
Speaker 2: and I said, man, it seemed like it's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that just love to get praised, like just
Speaker 2: for the wrong stuff though. Mmm, like you got casted
Speaker 2: and go to jail. Man, it's like they almost come
Speaker 2: home or want to be praised, you know, from going
Speaker 2: to prison right right, you got cast that might have
Speaker 2: been a long stretch and they come out and they
Speaker 2: kind of glorified almost like you know what, Well, actually
Speaker 2: it ain't never to cares to do the long stretch.
Speaker 1: He's always the dudes to go in to jail for
Speaker 1: a year or two.
Speaker 3: Well, ship should like that always been uh, you know
Speaker 3: that's been like to some dude, some niggas, that's the
Speaker 3: right of passage.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 3: So you got there, understand who. You gotta understand who who
Speaker 3: who it is. And like I said today, a lot
Speaker 3: of shit is a you know, a lot of shit
Speaker 3: is glorified to be you know, TVs and cameras make
Speaker 3: shit an extra nowadays.
Speaker 2: So well, well, think about this, bro, I would say, Look,
Speaker 2: Dirt is making some pretty good money for himself. Well,
Speaker 2: Dirk probably a millionaire. I'll be remiss to say without
Speaker 2: counting nobody's pockets. And I don't know what that man
Speaker 2: got more do I care, But I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 2: doing well for himself or for his family or whatever.
Speaker 4: Mmh.
Speaker 1: He just pretty much do all that shit away.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, sometimes, like I said, some dudes, you know,
Speaker 3: the image of.
Speaker 4: The neighborhood is everything.
Speaker 3: So or I guess some niggas think they just that
Speaker 3: you know, in with motherfuckers that.
Speaker 4: Niggers ain't gonna tail or snake.
Speaker 3: You know, we let by that cold, you get me,
Speaker 3: So it ain't nobody gonna tail or not.
Speaker 4: And you know we lived by the cold.
Speaker 2: Or think about it like this, whatever he did or
Speaker 2: didn't do, you know, that's what the court alogue decide.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not the judge and the jury. We
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, you know.
Speaker 2: I wish the brother the best, you know, but whatever
Speaker 2: it was that he did, it didn't bring his homeboy back. No,
Speaker 2: he just made matters worse.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: And I don't think people. I think people a lot
Speaker 2: of times. Man, I don't even want to say when
Speaker 2: people young. I just think people in general now just
Speaker 2: do dumb stuff. I think they really crash.
Speaker 1: Out, eh.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they really put too much thought
Speaker 2: into doing stuff before.
Speaker 3: They do it, right. That's that's that's the muddle nowadays.
Speaker 3: Like you said, ship a lot of youngsters, you know,
Speaker 3: don't know the way. And you know, money is a
Speaker 3: lot to motherfuckers. You feel me, You know, some niggas
Speaker 3: feel you know that that dollar sign is everything. So
Speaker 3: nigga offered me some shit, nigga, and I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: And you know, you niggas is running around flossing and
Speaker 3: Rose Royces and chains and all that. And you're still
Speaker 3: a young nigga on the block, hungry shit. You know
Speaker 3: that little the little funds is gonna go go make
Speaker 3: you feel it's gonna go far, you know, But in
Speaker 3: the long run, you gonna be the motherfucker that they
Speaker 3: knocking on their door. And that's what I say. You
Speaker 3: gotta watch out what you do shit, you know, because
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if a nigga get caught up,
Speaker 3: he definitely gonna come pointing the finger, you feel me
Speaker 3: if he ain't in that position you're getting.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, bro, you jumped in the
Speaker 2: rep game real young, like you was a kid pretty
Speaker 2: much definitely did you have any pressure.
Speaker 1: From the neighborhood?
Speaker 2: What's the deal? It's your boy, big steal. On this
Speaker 2: episode Against the Chronicles podcast, me and MCA try to
Speaker 2: figure out why the average kid in the hood wants
Speaker 2: to be the neighborhood ghetto god despite the consequences of
Speaker 2: being death, prison, betrayal and all that other stuff. It's
Speaker 2: Against the Chronicles.
Speaker 3: Oh, you always have pressure to do shit, you get me.
Speaker 3: You know, you just have to, man, you know, you
Speaker 3: just out there, you know, hope hopefully you're able to,
Speaker 3: you know, make it through certain situations. But you know
Speaker 3: a lot of us, you know who get in those
Speaker 3: uh who get in those positions. You know, your face
Speaker 3: with a lot of adversity. Man, when you still claim
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood and you only come up and then,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's always gonna look. You know, the
Speaker 3: grass is greener on the other side to some niggas,
Speaker 3: you know, not knowing what struggles you're going through. You know,
Speaker 3: money woes, family taxes and all that shit or whatever.
Speaker 3: They don't look at that. So you know, when you
Speaker 3: get faced with that adversity, you have to you have
Speaker 3: to choose which route you want to take, because, like
Speaker 3: I said, at the end of the day, if something happens,
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, niggas gonna come pointing the
Speaker 3: fingers and saying, hey, we got it from or they
Speaker 3: bought it, or he gave it or supplied it, or whooped,
Speaker 3: he whoomped. You know, and now you you were part
Speaker 3: of the conspiracy.
Speaker 2: You know what you said, the key word conspiracy. Do
Speaker 2: you think we put too much Do you think we
Speaker 2: give too much credit to neighborhood status today?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what you know, the youngsters
Speaker 3: feel today or what the neighborhood codes may be today.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, like I said, I'm always saying, and shit was
Speaker 3: different than what I went through as a teenager as
Speaker 3: far as neighborhood choices and whatever. But with with like's
Speaker 3: camera action. You feel me, it's glorified a thousand more percent.
Speaker 4: You get me.
Speaker 3: So that's what the youth and the young the young
Speaker 3: homies have to deal with.
Speaker 4: You get me.
Speaker 3: Nowadays, a nigga puts you on black nigga can't just
Speaker 3: say something about you. Nigga puts you on blasts on YouTube,
Speaker 3: on a channel. You know, anything, shit go far today,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of hard to deal.
Speaker 4: With that, especially when you only trying to come up
Speaker 4: for yourself.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know what, I think that makes
Speaker 2: it even worse. I think it's special. You know, we
Speaker 2: see it now even with the podcast stuff. You have
Speaker 2: a cat that's trying to ain't and it ain't just
Speaker 2: a say a part about it. It ain't just the
Speaker 2: young niggas, it's the old niggas too. They're trying to
Speaker 2: make a name for themselves. So they go say whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's true false, a little bit true.
Speaker 2: They don't care. They're trying to get They trying to
Speaker 2: get their name, you know, they're trying to get their name.
Speaker 1: Poper.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the but see that's that that's the
Speaker 3: difference of what niggas felt as back in the days.
Speaker 3: As far as now, everything is commercialized and monetized right now.
Speaker 3: So you know, if you say it's to the fact
Speaker 3: of og in that position, then they strictly on.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to get paid.
Speaker 3: You get me if I know stories or whatever or
Speaker 3: hear rumors or in your window, then you know, why
Speaker 3: not me?
Speaker 4: You feel me? Shit?
Speaker 3: Why not me?
Speaker 4: Makes some money off off the bullshit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you gotta have some man, all
Speaker 2: money and good money, man, because the one thing about
Speaker 2: it you had to run across these people definitely.
Speaker 3: You know, you go put yourself in a position if
Speaker 3: that's where you want to go, So you have to
Speaker 3: be able to you know, you're trying to run it
Speaker 3: like a journalist or whatever they do.
Speaker 4: You know why.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just delivering the questions, man, I'm just asking,
Speaker 3: you know, but with certain situations nowadays, you know, some
Speaker 3: people can't take criticism or whatever it might be. So
Speaker 3: you have to understand what you might be getting yourself into.
Speaker 3: You feel me, And you know what I decided man, that.
Speaker 2: I really don't want to be that dude man to
Speaker 2: put you know, don't get me wrong, I like joking
Speaker 2: and stuff, and you know, we do some stuff we
Speaker 2: got to report on. It's just big, right. But I decided, Man,
Speaker 2: I had this whole thing, like an hour loan, like
Speaker 2: interview man with this chick I ringing across. There's one
Speaker 2: of the girls that sueing Diddy right right, And I decided, Man,
Speaker 2: after a while, after just deliberating, Man, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be involved with this stuff because I don't know
Speaker 2: it's true, and it's.
Speaker 1: Not true exactly, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to kick another brother when you because
Speaker 2: you can think about what's going on right now. Black men,
Speaker 2: especially men are some means and it got some success
Speaker 2: under they've built and got some ms under they built.
Speaker 1: It's like we under the tech right now. Bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to be careful man.
Speaker 3: That's that's why I try to stay, you know, out
Speaker 3: of the line like a ship, because it's easy to
Speaker 3: get yourself in the bullshit that you can't get out.
Speaker 3: And I feel with this longevity that that a nigga
Speaker 3: been able to sustain and you know, I've had my
Speaker 3: you know, situations as a youth and whatever, and to
Speaker 3: be able to be around now and to observe and
Speaker 3: see shit and to be able to avoid a lot
Speaker 3: of drama. Man, you know who wants that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And even with us, man, we've been fortunate we don't
Speaker 2: have some of the biggest names on the show. We
Speaker 2: don't have people to get a lot of risk respect
Speaker 2: you know for us as well, We got respect for them.
Speaker 1: On the show, right. And I just thought about it.
Speaker 2: I said, man, you know what, Yeah, you might get
Speaker 2: some clicks and some likes and some views and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but then what happens after that?
Speaker 3: Exactly, Shit, you put yourself in that position, like I said,
Speaker 3: and then then it goes to the factor where you
Speaker 3: have people starting to pick sides. And when you in
Speaker 3: this game of trying to stay relevant, you need everybody,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, A part of the a
Speaker 3: part of the plan. And when you alienate motherfuckers because
Speaker 3: some people don't like bullshit, you get now you're having
Speaker 3: you got people picking and choosing which route they want
Speaker 3: to take as to you know, everybody can join along.
Speaker 3: And man, that shit is straight. Man, they're cool. Don't
Speaker 3: get in no bullshit. It's always straight narrow. They don't
Speaker 3: be trying to trick niggas up and all that as
Speaker 3: opposed to being a part of that. Now you lose
Speaker 3: in a certain motherfuckers. These niggas are messy and shit
Speaker 3: and they always on some bullshit bringing up cr You know,
Speaker 3: some people like it and some people don't. Like I said,
Speaker 3: now you got motherfuckers picking and choosing when you can
Speaker 3: just have everybody who just wants to join along because.
Speaker 4: The shit is a good situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I think you can be an
Speaker 2: edgy dude man without without jumping in the pig p
Speaker 2: and so to speak, you feel me definitely, you know,
Speaker 2: without jumping in the pig pen. I just really think, man,
Speaker 2: Like I almost feel bad, Like I don't know how
Speaker 2: Derek Hills. He's not no little kid man, but I
Speaker 2: know his career was really like he was on the upswing.
Speaker 2: He has started doing bigger stuff, you know, I said, man,
Speaker 2: that's a shame. And you know how hard it heal
Speaker 2: was to sustain in the REP game.
Speaker 1: Bro. It's really hard to stay relevant, man, And you
Speaker 1: know when you get something like this happening, man, it's
Speaker 1: like a career killer.
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, we not knowing the outcome,
Speaker 3: you know, all kind of shit can happen because of
Speaker 3: what somebody says, so just gotta follow it. But just
Speaker 3: to be in that position you get me and having
Speaker 3: to be locked up and can't be with your kids
Speaker 3: and your usual program, it fuck shit up, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And just to have your name tied
Speaker 3: into the shit, you know, uh, kind of destroys what
Speaker 3: you know. Those corporate motherfuckers was, you know, was easing
Speaker 3: up wanting to deal with a motherfucker now you know,
Speaker 3: you get people to back off when you get into
Speaker 3: type of situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they gotta. They almost had to back off, bro.
Speaker 2: You gotta think about this, right. They got to back off, bro,
Speaker 2: because it's so much money at stake, right exactly, and
Speaker 2: they got so much other stuff going on there, and
Speaker 2: it's like it's hard to go back and get that situation.
Speaker 2: Even if you get proved to be innocent and get
Speaker 2: exonerated or whatever, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't go back and get it no more. It's gone.
Speaker 1: Once it's gone, it's.
Speaker 3: Gone, exactly. There's no there's no let's go back, you know.
Speaker 3: R you said, when it's gone, it's gone, so uh,
Speaker 3: I know it's you know, it's it's it feels good
Speaker 3: to keep that, uh, that representation of of you know,
Speaker 3: being with the homies and you know, trying to uplift
Speaker 3: the homies and and and doing what you're supposed to. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, what's the code of what your neighborhood and
Speaker 3: what intends when you say you claiming and doing that lifestyle,
Speaker 3: and this is what it leads to, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Because if you say you in it too,
Speaker 3: if you know what I'm saying, if that's your position
Speaker 3: that I'm still with the niggas where I came up
Speaker 3: from and whatever, then you're gonna be expected to do
Speaker 3: certain shit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like you look at the thing with we're young thug,
Speaker 2: the whole thing he got going on. This dude don't
Speaker 2: have been in trial man pretty much three four years
Speaker 2: right right, that's three or four years that he got gone. Man,
Speaker 2: no show money. And when you hot and you're getting
Speaker 2: that show money, it's like you almost changed up. So
Speaker 2: he missing out on millions of dollars right now, right
Speaker 2: and study paying more money.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to pay an attorney and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, right, So.
Speaker 3: He got huh, definitely you ain't you're not making too
Speaker 3: much money when you locked up, and then the little
Speaker 3: money you is making everything is doing because shit attorney
Speaker 3: fees be flipping. Okay, that shit was for the last
Speaker 3: six months. Now I need retain her for the next
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 2: Exactly, so you figure all this money. Man, you know
Speaker 2: he was he was doing. He was one of the
Speaker 2: ones that was doing good for himself too. You think
Speaker 2: about it now, and a lot of his homies is
Speaker 2: taking pleading deals because it's almost like, do I run
Speaker 2: the risk, even though I may be innocent. Do I
Speaker 2: run the risk and try to fight this thing, or
Speaker 2: do I just want to get it over with now?
Speaker 2: He almost better off taking the at this point a
Speaker 2: plea deal because he figured, for hell, if I can
Speaker 2: get nine years like the homie I don't know already
Speaker 2: done three or four, you feel, I mean, that's got
Speaker 2: five more left. I can get out and have a
Speaker 2: piece of career left over. I just think, because you know,
Speaker 2: that's one thing that I do know. I don't know
Speaker 2: so much about the dirt stuff.
Speaker 1: But they said, you know, thug was out there getting busy.
Speaker 3: Like I said, when you when you put yourself, when
Speaker 3: you put yourself in the positions and shit to where
Speaker 3: you know you want to be the forefront and you
Speaker 3: want to be real authentic with it. Shit, that's it.
Speaker 3: You put yourself in a position. Now now you got
Speaker 3: to ride that wave. You can't turn around and and
Speaker 3: start going, shit, I'm gonna take a plead.
Speaker 4: That's for the other motherfuckers to do.
Speaker 3: That's why he's still sitting there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: because he feel I'm gonna be the example to what's official.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, for real. And it's like, you got
Speaker 2: that choice to make, man, And really it's almost easier
Speaker 2: to make the first choice a to just say, you
Speaker 2: know what, man, I'm gonna keep my nose clean. But
Speaker 2: I just think, man, that the desire to have that
Speaker 2: hood fame almost have passed the rap shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, but something like I said, when you come
Speaker 3: from that lifestyle, it is more desirable sometime, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, to be more respected in the hood,
Speaker 3: and then you know, fuck this rap shit.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Uh, the real shit is where the niggas come from,
Speaker 3: and that's where you get respected.
Speaker 4: You feel me.
Speaker 3: So a lot of niggas who walk that lifestyle. Like
Speaker 3: I said back in the days, that's the right, a
Speaker 3: right of passage for some niggas, going to prison, doing
Speaker 3: your couple of years, coming back to the hood with
Speaker 3: them stripes on your motherfucking chest.
Speaker 4: You feel me?
Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you this eight when you was
Speaker 2: a young dude, because because you know, you want them
Speaker 2: dudes that don't been fortunate man stood test of time,
Speaker 2: so to speak. Right, do you think it was a
Speaker 2: time when you was a youngin that being from Tragon
Speaker 2: you meant more to you than being MC eight.
Speaker 3: I mean definitely. I mean shit, I didn't. I didn't,
Speaker 3: like I said, I didn't really glorify the MC eight ship.
Speaker 3: It felt, you know, niggas was going around the world
Speaker 3: and the country and doing all that shit. But it
Speaker 3: was better to come back home and ride the streets
Speaker 3: of Counting and be recognized by the niggas on the
Speaker 3: block and people in the city. You feel me, That
Speaker 3: felt more, You know, that felt like you had you,
Speaker 3: you had represented. You know what I'm saying, And that's
Speaker 3: that was always first with a motherfucker that I'm representing
Speaker 3: the city, fuck you know, everywhere else. For the fact
Speaker 3: that I get to go around and people know that
Speaker 3: I'm from Compton and I'm still in the city and representing,
Speaker 3: So yeah to some people. You know when you get
Speaker 3: into that mind state. Definitely for some niggas who claim
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood, damn right, did.
Speaker 2: The Press river become like a headache because you know,
Speaker 2: you got people even with me, even with this, we
Speaker 2: don't maturity.
Speaker 3: You get me, like I said, I used to be
Speaker 3: the same like some of the niggas are today. You
Speaker 3: can't tell a motherfucker nothing. It's the neighborhood, it's the
Speaker 3: city where we're from. It's about nothing else. But then
Speaker 3: as more as you mature and you see life and
Speaker 3: you go around and you do other things, and you know,
Speaker 3: you start getting cool with niggas you was beefing with
Speaker 3: and all that, you start seeing that there's more to
Speaker 3: life than certain shit. Now you saying that you would
Speaker 3: trade it for anything, but just the fact that I
Speaker 3: could have you know, it could have been different. But
Speaker 3: you have to go through those motherfucking situations and those
Speaker 3: trials and tribulations, especially when you grow up in certain
Speaker 3: in areas. You get me like, had you grown up
Speaker 3: in a different environment than who knows what the outcome
Speaker 3: may be there might not have been an MC eight
Speaker 3: if the situation was different. But because of what I
Speaker 3: lived and what I seen and experienced as a young
Speaker 3: kid growing up in Compton, then you know that the
Speaker 3: product is what produced.
Speaker 2: You gotta think about this or right, we only got
Speaker 2: like as you get older, you start seeing, man at
Speaker 2: time just go fast as hell, right, so we only
Speaker 2: have our youth for like this long right, and when
Speaker 2: you look back, I even think about some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I did. Right now, I say, man, you
Speaker 2: know what, I kind of wasted time a little bit.
Speaker 2: I wasted a little bit of time. And I think
Speaker 2: as you get older, you start being a little bit
Speaker 2: more ingreedy with your time. Right, You don't want to
Speaker 2: get caught up in no dumb shit. You don't want to.
Speaker 2: You know certain people that you even people you got
Speaker 2: love for. You may say, you know what, I really
Speaker 2: ain't got no time to hang out with so and
Speaker 2: so because he you know, this is what he owned.
Speaker 1: I'm not into that no more. You feel me exactly?
Speaker 2: I think definitely, Man, you for sure have to make
Speaker 2: wire's choices because the time just goes so fast.
Speaker 1: Man, Like I remember when I remember when.
Speaker 2: I remember when me and the homie was serving right,
Speaker 2: and I remember when he got locked up the last
Speaker 2: the next time I saw him, we was prone ass.
Speaker 1: Men, dog right.
Speaker 4: I mean it goes quick.
Speaker 3: You give me, the years start flying by and you
Speaker 3: start realizing, like, damn, you give me, I wasted a
Speaker 3: lot of time, and then there was a lot of
Speaker 3: shit you probably wish you could have accomplished that. You know,
Speaker 3: I was fucking up in a lot of bullshit, but
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything because I didn't have a guidance
Speaker 3: of knowing or you know, once I got a family
Speaker 3: and got older and seeing things differently, you feel me because.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the tightest stuff we can do, man,
Speaker 2: is like really we need to start honoring cast it
Speaker 2: and nothing that. I don't never want nobody to give
Speaker 2: me praise to being a father because that's what I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be fathers to
Speaker 2: our kids and do the right thing right. But I
Speaker 2: think that's the thing we need to really start, like
Speaker 2: give another brother's props on man, taking care of your family.
Speaker 2: That's that's real g ship right there. Dogs taking care
Speaker 2: of your family and making sure they don't your sons
Speaker 2: don't come up in the same situations you when you
Speaker 2: know you came you might have went through.
Speaker 3: Right, well, you know that that be that's supposed to
Speaker 3: be the goal, right, Don't let you you know, don't
Speaker 3: let your your your your fucking don't let your offspring
Speaker 3: go through you know, the terrible situation because you know,
Speaker 3: let's just face it, us, my our generation growing up,
Speaker 3: we had a little hard you feel me, let's not
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy growing up as a kid, and you
Speaker 3: probably figured like, damn, life ain't gonna never get better,
Speaker 3: you know, living in Cleveland, I mean living in Ohio,
Speaker 3: you know, me living in you know, poverty in the
Speaker 3: ghetto and counting. There was probably times to where you
Speaker 3: just was like, this is this is life?
Speaker 1: Right? We got me as gonna get out of there.
Speaker 1: At one point.
Speaker 3: Exactly like I don't know what ambitions you had or
Speaker 3: what I don't know, but before all those dreams and ambitions,
Speaker 3: it was shit.
Speaker 4: This is what's this is what's going down.
Speaker 1: I'll be real with you, bro. I had dreams and
Speaker 1: ambitious men, but that stuff seems so far away. Man.
Speaker 2: I was trying to just get through the day where
Speaker 2: I was at you feel what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 2: would have like dreams sometimes to think about like man
Speaker 2: and my dreams is just so basic, even as basically
Speaker 2: as I want.
Speaker 3: To create without no roaches or no rets, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: like I said, a kid, a kid with dreams, those
Speaker 3: eight nine, ten years year old, eleven twelve. Like it
Speaker 3: was times where you was like, nigga, this is this
Speaker 3: is what this is what's finna be life?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yet your dad went to work and whatever, or your
Speaker 3: mom's did whatever.
Speaker 4: We didn't have the best car or the best place.
Speaker 3: And you know, and you know old food was whatever,
Speaker 3: and but you didn't complain because she was like, nigga,
Speaker 3: this is what's this is what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to know the crazy part about that stuff? Man?
Speaker 2: I remember I used to be feeling embarrassed around the homies,
Speaker 2: Like if my mom came to pick the nigga up
Speaker 2: in the bucket or whatever dog, and you think about it,
Speaker 2: they got the same shit that you got.
Speaker 1: It you embarrassed, Like what is you embarrassed? I remember
Speaker 1: my MoMA. You remember them gremlins.
Speaker 2: Yep, my mama had a gremlin. That mug was purple dog,
Speaker 2: and she would come and pick me up. Right now,
Speaker 2: I remember somebody had to. I remember I got in
Speaker 2: a car trying to drive the car and back the
Speaker 2: car the driveway and tore the door off the thing. Right, So,
Speaker 2: my pops had put some plastic man on the motherfucker and.
Speaker 1: Putting some bricks on top of it. Moms are pulled
Speaker 1: to the bus stop talking about she gonna pick me
Speaker 1: up from schools, but the blowing niggas on the bus
Speaker 1: looking they climb this shit. Man, I'm like, damn, Mama,
Speaker 1: why you pick me up in that piece of shit?
Speaker 1: But that was what it was, though, Bro. I looked
Speaker 1: back at it now and think about it. Man, what
Speaker 1: was I trying to front for them dudes? For them
Speaker 1: niggas didn't have shit either. They didn't have a motherfucking thing.
Speaker 1: But that's that's just what it was.
Speaker 3: You just felt like you had a little bit under
Speaker 3: it than everybody not knowing shit. Their motherfucker's struggling, just
Speaker 3: like they live around the corner. Shit, you feel it
Speaker 3: around the corner for real.
Speaker 2: And I remember, you know if the homies come over, Dog,
Speaker 2: you was hoping the ropes didn't come out of a
Speaker 2: wreck don't run across the floor. You feel what I mean,
Speaker 2: but you go over they crib. I stopped feeling bags.
Speaker 2: I go over they crib and they got more roaches.
Speaker 4: Than we do exactly. So I mean, so.
Speaker 3: Everybody, you know, certain people went through certain situations and
Speaker 3: that's what you dealt with. And like I said, at
Speaker 3: some time, you felt this is life, man, So I'm
Speaker 3: happy about it.
Speaker 4: I can't complain about it.
Speaker 3: And then you start, you know, as you get older,
Speaker 3: into your teens and you know, you're seventeens and eighteens,
Speaker 3: and you start, you know, if you start doing that
Speaker 3: hood life shit, then you don't give a fuck about
Speaker 3: nothing else because to you, this is this is life.
Speaker 3: And so nigga, we was able to sell some little
Speaker 3: crack pieces and piece up on drink and weed and
Speaker 3: you know, maybe fucking on some broads or whatever, and
Speaker 3: that was that was life.
Speaker 2: Yes, really, you know one thing I'm glad about though
Speaker 2: I did start serving when I came out to California,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I really didn't get into an Ohio man,
Speaker 2: because they was going hard like everybody I knew. Man
Speaker 2: almost became like little young king pinions. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: a happy anything of that. I remember hearing about little
Speaker 2: homies back at the crib homies that was my age,
Speaker 2: having like one hundred two hundred thousand racks up under
Speaker 2: the mattress dog and just and driving and driving, you know,
Speaker 2: driving nice whips and stuff. Man, driving on motherfucking what
Speaker 2: was the name of the motherfuckers, the ninety eight O's mobiles,
Speaker 2: Just having an Olds Mobile, just sitting on rims with
Speaker 2: the pied negg up and then take that you feel
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And they just doing it big, right.
Speaker 2: But all them dudes, man did real time. Man, Some
Speaker 2: of them dudes just now coming home over the past
Speaker 2: few years.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because them drug loss back when we was coming
Speaker 3: up was vicious.
Speaker 1: Get real vicious.
Speaker 3: They was real vicious. So you know you was getting shit.
Speaker 3: You was getting.
Speaker 4: Thirty years and shit and crazy time back then.
Speaker 3: You know some of the homies who was getting caught up, nigga,
Speaker 3: he was getting fifty five seventy years.
Speaker 4: And crazy shit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So but like I said, it was everything to some niggas,
Speaker 3: you know, being representing the neighborhood and being known from
Speaker 3: the hood and you know, having the attention of everybody
Speaker 3: you know, that was success to a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: You get me.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out why, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you, Like I just said, I had homies. Man,
Speaker 1: who's my age, dudes who was seventeen that had two hundred,
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars dog cars, and they get to
Speaker 1: the point they ain't even staying with their mama no more.
Speaker 1: They got apartments, dog like maybe two or three apartments,
Speaker 1: and they just doing it big. And you hearing about them,
Speaker 1: you know, like, man, damn he not such and such
Speaker 1: down he doing this. He showed out doing this.
Speaker 2: The homy ran through the hood and through fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars out the window with everybody. You feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And it's like we really glorify that stuff when we
Speaker 2: were kids, dog, that's what we want. I remember, man,
Speaker 2: at one time, Man, I wanted to be the biggest
Speaker 2: d boy ever.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because like I said, it's hard, you know, for
Speaker 3: a young for a young kid who living in that
Speaker 3: situation in poverty, you can't really you can't really bamboozle
Speaker 3: me with the with the with the with the story
Speaker 3: school books of how heroes are supposed to be.
Speaker 4: You're getting a.
Speaker 3: Kid growing up in poverty. Hero is the nigga who
Speaker 3: hit in the corner with the fat chain on in
Speaker 3: the new car with the rims, and you know that's
Speaker 3: the hero. You get me, because what is that motherfucker doing.
Speaker 3: You get me the motherfucker who hard worked and went
Speaker 3: to school and whatever, and they got the name and
Speaker 3: they sitting up in the suit with the picture and everything.
Speaker 3: The nigga like that ain't putting no food on the
Speaker 3: table right now. That ain't helping with the poverty situations
Speaker 3: I'm in, or or you know, just family. Just toe
Speaker 3: up and you get me. And sometimes you ain't even
Speaker 3: got to be on it. There's a lot of kids
Speaker 3: who go through sports and shit like that. You hear
Speaker 3: the stories.
Speaker 4: You get me.
Speaker 3: We was homeless, nigga. We was living in shelters, but
Speaker 3: I was going to practice every day. You're getting me.
Speaker 3: I could have been out there slanging and doing some
Speaker 3: crazy shit, but I decided, fuck it, my my my
Speaker 3: claim fan gonna be sports. You know, we got a
Speaker 3: lot of choices and different choices you know nowadays, back then,
Speaker 3: I don't you know, not to say we didn't, but
Speaker 3: one thing. We had too many choices growing up in
Speaker 3: the city. Feel Oh no, you know what.
Speaker 2: That's why I said I'm glad when I decided to
Speaker 2: jump off the court because I stir the death was
Speaker 2: a little bit at the crib, but I was on
Speaker 2: my way out here right now.
Speaker 1: I think that once.
Speaker 2: I did get out here, even though I had that
Speaker 2: desire to be the biggest deep boy ever, I still
Speaker 2: kind of had football to keep me focused, you feel
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So it was like it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm out here for this. I can't mess that up,
Speaker 2: you feel what I'm saying. I still had that opportunity,
Speaker 2: that dream was in the reach, so I think that
Speaker 2: kind of diverted me a little bit. And then by
Speaker 2: the homie going to jail that who was really my
Speaker 2: connecting everything, it kind of like left me on struck
Speaker 2: and it really just forced me to focus more on football.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 1: I think about it now.
Speaker 2: Had I really had I really focused more on ball
Speaker 2: dog instead of running the streets, I think I could
Speaker 2: have did a lot better.
Speaker 4: Man, I think about that sometimes, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Had I stayed focused, Because see, the thing was when
Speaker 2: it came time for me to leave Long Beach City College. Right,
Speaker 2: I had big schools, like I had the Miami Hurricanes. Dog,
Speaker 2: I had the Virginia Tech. I had Virginia Tech, I
Speaker 2: had Miami, I had Oregon. I might have had Michigan
Speaker 2: or Michigan State. That was so long ago. I had
Speaker 2: different people offered me scholarships, but they wanted me to
Speaker 2: graduate in the spring, and I couldn't come out that
Speaker 2: summer because I messed up so bad my first year.
Speaker 2: Not too bad, but you gotta remember I was skipping classes. Man,
Speaker 2: I was doing this. I just enough just to be
Speaker 2: elisib bro right, and had I handled my business, there's
Speaker 2: no telling what I would have went. Because I think
Speaker 2: about it now, I'm like, man, the Mexican State Nigga
Speaker 2: had ten or eleven sex. If I'd have did that
Speaker 2: for the Hurricanes, if Virginia Tech or Michigan or something
Speaker 2: like that, I ain't no telling, man, where I could
Speaker 2: where the boy could have.
Speaker 4: Win, you know, exactly, ain't no.
Speaker 1: Telling where the boy could have win.
Speaker 2: But then I think again, sometimes, man, stuff happened just
Speaker 2: the way it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's like I said, life is is you get
Speaker 3: put in the position and then it's up to you
Speaker 3: to follow the path.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it could get rocky, sometimes it could get you
Speaker 3: know whatever. But that's that's your life plan. Man, You
Speaker 3: feel me, And that's that's how it happened. Any other
Speaker 3: way it could have happened would have been different. Who
Speaker 3: knows where motherfucker would they ended up.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think about that too.
Speaker 2: You know, had I went to one of those other schools,
Speaker 2: I may not have been with my wife, dog, I
Speaker 2: may not have my kids. I got no, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: trade them dudes, that girl and them two boys from
Speaker 2: none in the world exactly.
Speaker 3: So you know, you get put in positions and sometimes
Speaker 3: you have to go. Like I said, I tell people
Speaker 3: all the time, sometimes motherfuckers go through it easy and
Speaker 3: you know, you wake up and overnight success and you
Speaker 3: be whatever whatever. But that fall be kind of hard
Speaker 3: when you don't know how to go through adversity and
Speaker 3: all of that. So sometimes we have to take that long,
Speaker 3: hard road just to get to the end of the shit.
Speaker 2: You feel me, Oh yeah for sure, man, because they,
Speaker 2: like you said, man, stuff feels what it is. You
Speaker 2: know what I wanted to ask you, right, we came
Speaker 2: up in that time in the nineties, man, and it
Speaker 2: was so much you feelure you had the move, you
Speaker 2: had Scarface, right, you had all of these movies. Man,
Speaker 2: they kind of like I ain't gonna say they glorified everything,
Speaker 2: but they made all that stuff look.
Speaker 4: Cool, man, exactly.
Speaker 2: They made all that stuff look like it was the
Speaker 2: thing to do because it was probably because it wasn't
Speaker 2: too many options for us. Like, I'm not gonna lie, bro.
Speaker 2: I never saw myself being a doctor. I never saw
Speaker 2: myself being a lawyer. If I didn't play professional football,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was gonna do for a
Speaker 2: long time, bro.
Speaker 4: Like I said, you get those dreams. You get those
Speaker 4: dreams as.
Speaker 3: A kid, you know, or whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 3: feeling like you want to do whatever, and a lot
Speaker 3: of it. You know, I'm gonna be a doctor, lawyer,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a professional football player.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We have those aspirations as a kid. But like I said,
Speaker 3: sometimes you get the path crossed. You know, you get
Speaker 3: to the crossroads and you don't know which way you
Speaker 3: supposed to go, so you you take the roads you think,
Speaker 3: and it might get a little bumpy, you know, not
Speaker 3: just saying you ain't gonna reach your destiny. But shit,
Speaker 3: sometimes the roads are different from everybody else.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: That's how I look at it. Shit, the way I
Speaker 3: came mouth is, Hey, that's the turn I was supposed
Speaker 3: to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about like you all, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you see it or not. Dog you want them
Speaker 2: dudes that defied the eys man, that became one of
Speaker 2: the crazy this shit doog.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's work and you don't even
Speaker 3: look at it like that. Like I said, when I was,
Speaker 3: you know, doing what I do, I just did it
Speaker 3: because I felt, you know, this is the path I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to be taken. Had I done anything differently, or
Speaker 3: or wrapped about anything differently, or went through anything differently
Speaker 3: as a youth growing up, you know, with my parents
Speaker 3: and poverty and living in different sections, and you know,
Speaker 3: and it's just what it is.
Speaker 1: What it is, like sniff something wouldn't There's.
Speaker 3: Been situations to where I could have been just like
Speaker 3: any other nigga got shot killed, you know, been a
Speaker 3: martyr for the neighborhood or whatever.
Speaker 4: Because there was a lot of us who went through that.
Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of niggas that you
Speaker 3: probably felt who was gonna live forever?
Speaker 4: And you wake up and they gone, you get me.
Speaker 3: Just bro And and it's unfortunate because there are some
Speaker 3: dudes that you wouldn't you know, you wouldn't think in
Speaker 3: your life, you know what would har I'm a fly,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Niggas was just cool as
Speaker 3: a motherfucking fan. Niggas was from the hood and everything
Speaker 3: was whatever it did. But you would never think niggas
Speaker 3: would be in those positions and shit, And unfortunately that's
Speaker 3: the life that that happened.
Speaker 1: You know what, I call them dudes, man. I used
Speaker 1: to have a name for them. I call them ghettle guys.
Speaker 1: Man catch This seemed like they were just And.
Speaker 2: The one thing, man, that that really made me start
Speaker 2: thinking is I figured out, especially once I came out
Speaker 2: here to La Man, I see every neighborhood, got to
Speaker 2: get them, got every neighborhood, got that.
Speaker 1: One cat you catch and it's usually just one. Right.
Speaker 2: They just seem like he invincible, He got all the money,
Speaker 2: he kind of hold the hood down. He liked by everybody.
Speaker 2: But then once you see him gett knocked down, you say, man,
Speaker 2: they knocked him down.
Speaker 1: Anybody get knocked down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the that's what the surprise about shit be,
Speaker 3: Like anybody could get taken down and you don't You
Speaker 3: don't realize that till after you know, you see it,
Speaker 3: because like you said, some dudes have the the mentality
Speaker 3: of the or the moral compass of this motherfucker gonna
Speaker 3: be around forever.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Can't nobody fuck with the
Speaker 4: homie and shit?
Speaker 3: They just vicious and everybody know the nigga and you
Speaker 3: know he's untouchable and the next thing you know, damn,
Speaker 3: like what the fuck happened?
Speaker 2: And it's all if you notice adust always they get
Speaker 2: touched by somebody who wasn't even affected like that, you
Speaker 2: wind up here anybody like what Like I remember one
Speaker 2: homie man and that was back in the hood. Man
Speaker 2: that was like mister big Man. He got smoked by
Speaker 2: his broad thog.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You hear a lot of crazy stories of how you know,
Speaker 3: not everybody got killed by dry buys or whatever. You
Speaker 3: niggas died because of all kind of shit, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, girls setting them up, niggas getting robbed, you know,
Speaker 3: bad drug deals and shit, you know, life was everything.
Speaker 3: You got it all. You know what I'm saying. There
Speaker 3: was nothing that was missed. Believe me, man, I know.
Speaker 2: I got some cousins man who wasn't as fortunate as
Speaker 2: I was, because I was very fortunate to be able
Speaker 2: to have a little skate rock, right. I got cousins
Speaker 2: man that wound up doing major time man for Heroin
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Man, it was really out there getting to it right.
Speaker 1: It was playing a dangerous game, you know, because you.
Speaker 2: Know when you messing with the h man, you get
Speaker 2: a lot of time man like that someone.
Speaker 1: It's enhanced.
Speaker 2: Man. It ain't like you telling nothing else. Man, You're
Speaker 2: getting attempted murder charts and all kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, every everything bring different shit.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That's why I said you got to be careful when
Speaker 3: you choose the lifestyle, because then you got to watch
Speaker 3: out because you know, you never know who prays on
Speaker 3: your downfall. You know, a lot of time, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of niggas that's right up under you. Because I say,
Speaker 3: you know, regardless of what you think you may be doing,
Speaker 3: you never doing enough.
Speaker 1: Man. I'd yeah, for real.
Speaker 3: There's probably a few dudes who you know, you you
Speaker 3: sitting up with and you know you're flossing that money,
Speaker 3: and you know you're doing interviews with money on the
Speaker 3: table and pulling up with jewelry and fancy cars.
Speaker 4: You know, it's the smile in your face a situation.
Speaker 3: It's a nigga gonna stand right in your face, puff
Speaker 3: on your weed, drink on your drain, give you adapt,
Speaker 3: pat you on the back, and then gonna go home
Speaker 3: and be like, which way can we do? A motherfucker,
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, I don't got
Speaker 3: what that nigga.
Speaker 1: Guys, I'm gonna tell you something. Man shot up to
Speaker 1: the homeboy Man till I think you remember you remember
Speaker 1: my homeboy that came out here, Man from Ohio. He
Speaker 1: came out, He came up to the show and just
Speaker 1: set up there. He didn't come on with nothing for shure,
Speaker 1: He just he just got home. Man. A few years ago, Man,
Speaker 1: and the catch rated on him. Man was a dude.
Speaker 4: We grew up with bro the ship.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's always somebody that they can probably get
Speaker 3: to and sometimes unfortunately, as some motherfucker that's right next
Speaker 3: to you, you get somebody.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be accountable because I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you what was so cold about. But we were so
Speaker 2: cold about the Homie Dukees. Man was he was off
Speaker 2: the game, bro Like he was done. He had kind
Speaker 2: of like stacked his chips up. Dog had bought him
Speaker 2: a couple of garage, just had some busin is this going,
Speaker 2: had a couple of houses. You know, he had his
Speaker 2: money straight right right, he was done, And he kept saying, man,
Speaker 2: because it come a point to where when.
Speaker 1: The fez is on you, they started talking to you. Right.
Speaker 2: They had told him like, man, we almost had you,
Speaker 2: we almost has you. So we had this one nigga
Speaker 2: that we knew.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: He was like he was hustling too, but he was
Speaker 2: kind of like he wasn't on the same level as
Speaker 2: the homie was, but he was.
Speaker 1: Doing this thing right. He had started calling him out
Speaker 1: the blue, like, man, I need to get to him,
Speaker 1: you know, because as much as people be talking, man,
Speaker 1: it ain't that easy.
Speaker 2: To come up on birds dog like that. No, it's
Speaker 2: not unless you just know somebody. Dog, it's not easy.
Speaker 2: You know, you could be making your money and never
Speaker 2: touch a bird. You feel what I'm saying, right, So
Speaker 2: he kept asking Homie the Homie said he had this
Speaker 2: feeling like, man, I shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't mess with this nigga. This niggain't never did
Speaker 1: nothing like that, you know what I mean? And why
Speaker 1: is he ask me for this now? You know? So
Speaker 1: the home, he was like, man, no, no, no, kept
Speaker 1: telling him no, no, no, and he kept saying, Man,
Speaker 1: he remember the day like it was yesterday. He said,
Speaker 1: all right, Man, I got you. He went and made
Speaker 1: that phone call when a guy that said he went
Speaker 1: over there, right, he said, he even sat in the
Speaker 1: car for about thirty forty minutes just kind of like
Speaker 1: just kind of like like I should just turn back
Speaker 1: around and go home. You feel what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: And he as soon as he went up there, man
Speaker 1: and knocked on the door.
Speaker 2: Man, he said, it seemed like the police just came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. He said, Man, I didn't even see
Speaker 2: him coming. It was like they came up off the floor,
Speaker 2: off the ground on my ass. And next you know,
Speaker 2: he was like, man, I knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: A nigga that we grew up with. Though he because
Speaker 2: he couldn't handle he got caught up in some other stuff.
Speaker 2: And gave it Homi up.
Speaker 3: Well, some guy, that's how the scenario go. You know
Speaker 3: you can too. You can sing that song for a
Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, saying that shit.
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate rad shit though, that's the ultimate you
Speaker 1: gotta be.
Speaker 2: One thing I always say at eight, I ain't never
Speaker 2: I tell the people all the time, I ain't never
Speaker 2: been no game banger, and I ain't gonna sit up
Speaker 2: here and say I was need no need, no brown
Speaker 2: enough shit like that. Right, But the one thing I
Speaker 2: always did, man, I was always accountable for what I did.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go never telling nobody's dog to get out
Speaker 2: of a situation. I guess I look at people like
Speaker 2: that as people have a clear a character flawed Bro.
Speaker 2: Whatever you do, Bro, you gotta stand on your own stuff. Man,
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta you know, you gotta eat your
Speaker 2: own shit dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean if you want to
Speaker 3: put yourself in those positions, Like I said, we got we.
Speaker 1: All got choices, bro, we all got choices to make it.
Speaker 1: It's like if I make this choice and decide, man,
Speaker 1: hey we gonna hop this gate ache.
Speaker 2: I'm making the choice just like Hugh he is right now.
Speaker 2: If you get away dog and I get caught, I'm
Speaker 2: filed for telling them what. Man, You know what, man
Speaker 2: A actually got more than man he you know he
Speaker 2: got he laid up over here. You know that's foul, bro.
Speaker 2: And I saw that that did to the homie. Man,
Speaker 2: I think that hurt him more than him just getting cut.
Speaker 2: Like man the homy told on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, favor, I said, especially if you.
Speaker 3: If you consider the motherfucker a certain type of person
Speaker 3: or a friend or a homie or whatever. But like
Speaker 3: I said, you never know what you know. Trust is
Speaker 3: a big word and it goes far with certain niggas.
Speaker 4: And a nigga can tell.
Speaker 3: You all day oh man, you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and they can turn their back on you in the
Speaker 3: last one. The second, you gotta understand what what being
Speaker 3: true to a motherfucker he is. And last everybody can't
Speaker 3: come along when it's time for you know what, it's
Speaker 3: time for retribution of the paper and putting yourself in
Speaker 3: a better position in life. There's gonna be some niggas
Speaker 3: who's jealous of it, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: you just have to watch who you fucking with and
Speaker 3: that goes back to childhood days to motherfuckers. You need
Speaker 3: to you know tomorrow. You know everybody ain't trustworthy.
Speaker 1: Man, Friends, a few associates many.
Speaker 2: That's something that my mama used to tell me every day, Friends,
Speaker 2: a few associates, many, just because you know somebody I remer.
Speaker 2: My mama tell me one day stop calling everybody your friend.
Speaker 3: Exactly. I don't do the shit I need motherfuckers. And
Speaker 3: I be like, no, that y'all's just an associate that
Speaker 3: ain't my friend. I don't call niggas like that. You
Speaker 3: feel me.
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna tell you, man. And it's like I think.
Speaker 2: In every neighborhood, man, you can count five brothers man
Speaker 2: and got the same story and just being betrayed by
Speaker 2: somebody that they thought they was just real cool with, right,
Speaker 2: And you still got people that think they go jump
Speaker 2: in this shit and get different results. Bro, I tell people.
Speaker 2: I should tell my sons, man, I tell the homies.
Speaker 2: I tell everybody, y'all. I say, man, the streets don't
Speaker 2: have no love for nobody.
Speaker 4: Bro. Oh definitely, hell no.
Speaker 3: You taking a chance right then and there, you better
Speaker 3: believe that they it don't.
Speaker 4: So you just better watch it back and watching you associate.
Speaker 2: With Yeah, that's that's that's for real. That's for real, man.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest advice that you can give somebody man,
Speaker 2: if they listen.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people don't like to listen. Go
Speaker 1: to school, man, Get you an education, man, if you
Speaker 1: could learn you a trade or learn you a trig.
Speaker 1: It's all that other stuff.
Speaker 2: Ain't hitting on nothing, dog, don't nobody make it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's if you can get to a mother,
Speaker 3: if you can get to you know, the generation and
Speaker 3: and talk to them and convince them that you know,
Speaker 3: there's a better situation out there. You know, it might
Speaker 3: not be what you like, but it's always something better.
Speaker 3: You feel me. Then taking those chances of those situations
Speaker 3: to where you gotta trust somebody with your life or
Speaker 3: your freedom, you feel me. And unfortunately, like I said,
Speaker 3: there's just some niggas out there who just don't give
Speaker 3: a fuck you get.
Speaker 1: I think, man.
Speaker 2: Like the question I asked at the beginning, Man, I
Speaker 2: don't think me and you need to one to know.
Speaker 2: Why does the bulls shit have such a lord of people?
Speaker 3: Dog?
Speaker 2: It's like it's a question, man, because you know people
Speaker 2: who don't got told on. You got you know, people
Speaker 2: who don't got murdered, You got people who all this
Speaker 2: bad stuff I'm having to I can't think of nothing
Speaker 2: good to come out of none.
Speaker 1: In the hood, dog.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a products. You know, we come out
Speaker 3: of the neighborhood. So that's the positive aspect. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of black you know, men and young men and
Speaker 3: you know women, you know, the sisters. We come out
Speaker 3: of the hood as products, and we can be faced
Speaker 3: with adversity, gains and poverty and not having the other
Speaker 3: men have. And that goes to show you. You know,
Speaker 3: dudes like I made records and movies, and you know,
Speaker 3: there's just sports people, the Venuses and the Serenas and
Speaker 3: all the sports people. That's your positive aspect of coming
Speaker 3: out of the hood because a lot of us start
Speaker 3: from the situation of what you see niggas go through
Speaker 3: gang banging and drug selling and whatever, and it's hard
Speaker 3: to stray from that lifestyle. You know, I didn't have
Speaker 3: the pops at home who was able to be like
Speaker 3: you know Venus and Serena parents who you know, nigga.
Speaker 3: You know, I unfortunately had to go through the route
Speaker 3: of the hood and and you know, doing that that lifestyle,
Speaker 3: not just saying that it was you know, to me,
Speaker 3: it was everything. I didn't look at it as as
Speaker 3: a flaw or a fucking It was just, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of us have obstacles we go through, and
Speaker 3: for people who don't come through the game banging lifestyle,
Speaker 3: your obstacle might be something else. You feel me coming
Speaker 3: up as a teenager and trying to get to the
Speaker 3: point of where you you know that you know you
Speaker 3: you you you becoming a great man or a great product.
Speaker 4: Of the neighborhood. You get me.
Speaker 3: The guy used to sell dope, gang bang, claim the hood,
Speaker 3: blah blah, is x y Z.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the day, my sons
Speaker 4: ain't gonna come through that. You get me.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna have to claim the neighborhood and sell
Speaker 3: crack and you know, get shot at or shoot at
Speaker 3: motherfuckers and go through that lifestyle to crawl through shit
Speaker 3: to come out on the end knowing that you were
Speaker 3: always a greater, you know individual, You was always a
Speaker 3: good man or a young man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it was I'm glad I was fortunate enough that
Speaker 3: I went through the shit that I could turn around,
Speaker 3: and once I came out on the clean side, I
Speaker 3: could turn around and.
Speaker 4: Go, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no you no. And I don't give
Speaker 3: for you know, in whatever circumstance that might have caused.
Speaker 3: But who gives a fuck because I'm already went through
Speaker 3: the shit. So if I can, I'm gonna save you
Speaker 3: from the shit you get me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, man, you got brothers man.
Speaker 2: And the cold part about it is, Man, some of
Speaker 2: the most brilliant people are no come from the hood,
Speaker 2: dog like. I know some smart dudes eight where if
Speaker 2: they would have put that on, if they would have
Speaker 2: directed the energy like towards some positive man, I swear
Speaker 2: they'd have been Fortune five hundred leaders and CEOs and
Speaker 2: you know, just big time people. Man. Because I knew
Speaker 2: some really brilliant dude. Man, I had a homeboy back
Speaker 2: of the crib.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That dude was so smart, man. And I really believe
Speaker 2: that this dude could have gotten in the harbor to
Speaker 2: yeah or something like that. Man, he's probably been a
Speaker 2: president of something because he always he always had a scheme,
Speaker 2: and his schemes would be working. Dog like this dude
Speaker 2: one day was telling me about Man. You know, if
Speaker 2: we did this, man, we could probably get a couple
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. I was like, man, you're crazy. You
Speaker 2: want an attentiary.
Speaker 1: But there would be plans that were that would be
Speaker 1: really like like he had his well thought.
Speaker 2: All plans Man, definitely, And there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: people like you think about it now, like Man, you
Speaker 2: think about cats like Harry Yo Man, cats like Freeway Rick.
Speaker 2: When you serving on the level that them dudes is serving. Man,
Speaker 2: you can't be no dumb ass dude.
Speaker 3: And no, you got to be very articulate, and you
Speaker 3: gotta be smart, and you can't just be naive to
Speaker 3: regular ass life. You have to be very intelligent to
Speaker 3: be able to deal with certain different niggas, different motherfucking situations.
Speaker 3: You know that comes with being you know, intelligent and
Speaker 3: knowing that drama and situations are gonna get you to
Speaker 3: a certain status and being able to deal and communicate
Speaker 3: and be business minded is what's gonna have a gang
Speaker 3: of motherfuckers wanting to fuck with you. So you got
Speaker 3: to be very intelligent when you get when you reaching
Speaker 3: that type of status, you give me.
Speaker 2: I want to get here. You on the show Man,
Speaker 2: because that dude, think about it, that dude discovered, like
Speaker 2: gave Denzel watched in his first acting job, bro had
Speaker 2: limousine businesses, owned all them big ass buildings downtown is
Speaker 2: worth billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Now, Dog, he had all that stuff first.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, he was just doing a lot of
Speaker 2: big stuff, man, and got cut for his legal his
Speaker 2: illicit activities.
Speaker 1: Dog got caught up. Shoot, help start different records, you know, exactly,
Speaker 1: just a cold dude.
Speaker 2: Man. I want to have him on the show Man
Speaker 2: to just really talk to him, man, because that man
Speaker 2: spent thirty three years playing on walls.
Speaker 3: Man, and and people like that have stories to tell
Speaker 3: of intelligence, you know, and stories of importance. You know,
Speaker 3: even though the lifestyle my nigga came through, those stories
Speaker 3: are valuable to help the youth understand, you know, what
Speaker 3: circumstances that he had to go through to put himself
Speaker 3: in that situation.
Speaker 4: And you know, you might have looked at it as
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Positive, you know, like you said, being able to turn
Speaker 3: around and understand that, you know, trying to start legitimate
Speaker 3: situations is at the end of the day, is the
Speaker 3: quests you feel me to get out of the lifestyle.
Speaker 3: To try to change your lifestyle for the better is
Speaker 3: what it is for at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: You know what's cold o man? Shut out a snoop man.
Speaker 2: I guess some I heard the hereos the CEOO like
Speaker 2: the chief operating off to the new death Row records.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, you know, hopefully that takes off of them, man,
Speaker 2: because it's good to see cats come home and get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to do something.
Speaker 3: Positive, definitely, you know, And we got a lot of them.
Speaker 3: We got a lot of you know, uh uh individuals,
Speaker 3: you know, our brothers, like you said, who are very
Speaker 3: intelligent and smart to begin with. That's why they were
Speaker 3: able to have these empires and these enterprises and you know,
Speaker 3: like my boy Kyle Lee, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: my boy Virgil, you know, be able to come home
Speaker 3: and legitimize the situation and turn it into something legit,
Speaker 3: and you know, to be able to have the opportunity
Speaker 3: as the other motherfuckers, do you get me?
Speaker 1: They try to watch Versus, right, they tried to really
Speaker 1: watch Versus. Virgion was the first one, you know, we
Speaker 1: had them on the show before Version was the first
Speaker 1: one really to have most stories multiple locations, definitely.
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, his story is important too
Speaker 3: because of what he had to go through and what
Speaker 3: you know, what's what's very popularized today. You got all
Speaker 3: kinds of entertainers and sports motherfuckers getting into it. They've
Speaker 3: got dispensaries now exactly.
Speaker 1: They got dispensary because he was the When you think
Speaker 1: about it, he was the cookies before it was the
Speaker 1: cookies exactly. And I think that it's important. And then
Speaker 1: the stories I want to start telling.
Speaker 2: Man, so over these next like for the rest of
Speaker 2: this year, Man, I really want to work on man
Speaker 2: getting cats.
Speaker 1: Man, it's doing something positive. Now.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm so sick of hearing about people glorifying dudes
Speaker 2: who are not doing nothing just as they've been in
Speaker 2: jail in a rum day life. Like, how's that glorifying something?
Speaker 3: Well, because that's the generation in the code of like
Speaker 3: you said, even back in my days, like I said,
Speaker 3: somehow it was the right of passage to go to
Speaker 3: prison and then to come back to the neighborhood. You
Speaker 3: felt vindicated, You felt you know, you had really put
Speaker 3: your stamp on you know what you saw, what which
Speaker 3: was was true life to you and that was the
Speaker 3: neighborhood and gang banging and representing the block. So it's
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's like that today with the youth,
Speaker 3: they gonna glorify. Oh man, my nigga put in work,
Speaker 3: my nigga. Woot the wo woot.
Speaker 4: He won't. But you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: when you behind the bars and your life is on standstill,
Speaker 4: you know it's not you know, you're forgotten about at
Speaker 4: the end of the day. So let's just see how
Speaker 4: many of you know his true people you know, stick
Speaker 4: with and ride with him and uh, you know, endure
Speaker 4: some of the fucked up shit that they have to
Speaker 4: go through on this journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, when you start thinking about man, start thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine doing no time like that. Thirty
Speaker 2: three years a long time, bro, Hell two years a
Speaker 2: long time to me. You know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: spend a second of my freedom being gone, exactly. I
Speaker 2: ain't trying to spend a second of it, man, So
Speaker 2: I want to I want you to really start thinking
Speaker 2: over the next few weeks, man, cats, I want to
Speaker 2: try to reach out to here of yo, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: mind going to go sit down with Virgil again. And
Speaker 2: what I want to talk to Virgils about this time
Speaker 2: is like, really because Virgil is expert on how to
Speaker 2: get into the game.
Speaker 1: You feel what I mean. It's a lot of cats
Speaker 1: that want to get into the dispencery game but don't
Speaker 1: know quite how.
Speaker 4: For sure, let's get it cracking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you when the last time you talked to him?
Speaker 4: I talked to Virgil about a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is he still because the last time we talked he
Speaker 2: has some stuff going on in Africa?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just he'd be moving. You know, that's how
Speaker 3: niggas do. They trying to set up ship worldwide and
Speaker 3: everything else. But he always available. I just got a calling. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be the.
Speaker 1: Coming you coming from the community eight.
Speaker 2: It seemed like a rap is still the number one
Speaker 2: away that you know, young people in the neighborhood try
Speaker 2: to use as a means to escape. What would you
Speaker 2: tell the young dude today trying to come up the
Speaker 2: neighborhood by hip hop?
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you because everybody follows a different path today.
Speaker 3: You know, back in my days, we knew what it was,
Speaker 3: but today it's all kind of shit.
Speaker 1: So you know, what you said. It's easier today, are harder.
Speaker 4: What to make a record, it's it's a record.
Speaker 2: Man, But to really just do something that's impactful, because
Speaker 2: you know, that's the one thing I know this man,
Speaker 2: just being a dude that don't been the executive in
Speaker 2: this stuff for many years.
Speaker 1: Year.
Speaker 2: It's easier to make records and stuff like that. Dog,
Speaker 2: and it's easy to do a lot of stuff, man,
Speaker 2: but is it really easier to make an impact. It's
Speaker 2: because it's so crowded right now.
Speaker 4: Shit, you wouldn't know better to me, my nigga.
Speaker 3: That's why I stay in my lane and whatever it is,
Speaker 3: it isn't don't try to check.
Speaker 4: You would have to answer that one yourself. You the executive.
Speaker 1: You have to give advice to that, you know, because
Speaker 1: you want to hear my advice though, because I'm I
Speaker 1: don't like to see some negative first alone.
Speaker 3: And you let a nigga do what he gotta do
Speaker 3: and let him run his course. You feel me, That's
Speaker 3: just what it is. Yeah, you know, because that's just
Speaker 3: telling everybody.
Speaker 2: Whether it's rapping, doing this podcast stuff. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you what I do know what I can tell people.
Speaker 2: The money is not there in podcasting like it once was,
Speaker 2: and it's not gonna be for a long time. The
Speaker 2: ones that's getting money now probably go continue to give money.
Speaker 2: But as far as you having something new, unless you
Speaker 2: really make the investment and putting there and do it
Speaker 2: the right way, it's probably not gonna work out for you.
Speaker 2: Is too many people doing this stuff right now, exactly,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's only so much bandwidth thog. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know what this remind me of. You remember when
Speaker 2: people first started hustling. Everything was cool, but then after
Speaker 2: a while the block was just crowded. It was the
Speaker 2: same people trying to rush the same car.
Speaker 3: That's why we that's why I diiggas had to start
Speaker 3: making choices of what they was gonna do. You know,
Speaker 3: you gotta start making choices. I need to do something else.
Speaker 3: I need to start making records. I need to go
Speaker 3: get a job. You know everything you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so hard for people?
Speaker 2: Because you know, you said go get a job. A
Speaker 2: lot of people are like going to go get a job.
Speaker 2: It's something bad or.
Speaker 3: Something's it's frowned upon because you know, especially if you're
Speaker 3: trying to impress the motherfuck And if you're on the
Speaker 3: ego of trying to impress and get you a bitch
Speaker 3: or whatever like that. You know, certain certain females, you know,
Speaker 3: require certain shit nowadays, and they tell you you get me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get this fake ted easy's fake ass. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna put this hair in my ship. I'm gonna glorify
Speaker 3: myself up. Now you gotta make you gotta be having
Speaker 3: millions of dollars to fuck with this. This costs right here,
Speaker 3: and and they mean it costs. It's gonna cost you
Speaker 3: some trinkets, some trips, and some motherfucking some trinkets, trips,
Speaker 3: and some motherfucking takes this ship.
Speaker 4: You know what you want?
Speaker 3: She want to eat, she want to flow some little ship.
Speaker 3: You need her a nice person, some diamonds and ship.
Speaker 3: And if you can't compete with that, then you you
Speaker 3: you frowned upon, which is, you know, unfortunate for some
Speaker 3: you know, young gentleman. But that's what the situation is.
Speaker 1: That's one of you man. That's well.
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