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Keller pleaded guilty Friday to tampering with 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: evidence in the investigation into missing Colorado mom Kelsey Beareth. 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Frazy is facing a murder charge in Barrett's disappearance, as 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: police believe she's dead, although her remains have not been 30 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: yet located. Lee admitted to tampering with Barrett's cell phone 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: after she disappeared from Woodland Park, Colorado, Thanksgiving Day. That 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: phone later paying hundreds of miles away in Idaho, near 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Lee's Twin Falls home. District Attorney Dan May spoke to 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: reporters a short time ago, right after Lee appeared in 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: a Colorado courtroom to enter a guilty plea part of 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: a deal with prosecutors in which she will apparently testify 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: against Phrasey. As you saw this morning, Krystallie played guilty 38 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: to a Class six felony tampering with physical evidence. It 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: carries a penalty in the presumptive range of up to 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: eighteen months in prison. In the aggravated range up to 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: three years in prison, and that's by state law. By 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: state law, it is not a mandatory sentencing type charge, 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: so that actually the judge has a choice of anywhere 44 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: from probation on up to that three years if the 45 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: judge finds aggravation. In this particular case, we have postponed 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: sentencing until after any hearings or trials are done on 47 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: any other related matters, certainly that would include the Patrick 48 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: Crazy charges. At this time, he has presumed innocent unless 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. We have agreed, though, 50 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: by our agreement, that she will not be sentenced until 51 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: after all trials are completed. You heard the judge say 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: that could be six months from now, that could be 53 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: two years from now. It's we really don't know. She 54 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: is to appear in the future periodically through reviews. The 55 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: court has allowed her to do that by phone in 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: those reviews until such time as we get up towards sentencing. 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: On her particular case, she did read into the record 58 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: a factual basis, which is also required by Colorado law. 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I do have a copy of that, but I assume 60 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: you've all got that on camera, and I don't necessarily 61 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: need to repeat that. The judge at put certain terms 62 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: of the agreement on the record, such as she is 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: required to cooperate in all cases, she is required to 64 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: testify if called upon to testify in all cases, and 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: in particular obviously, he referenced the Patrick Crazy case that 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: is currently set for February nineteenth for preliminary hearing at 67 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: nine o'clock. She is not allowed to talk to the press. 68 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: That is actually part of our agreement that she is 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: not allowed to do that. So she will be making 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: no comments at all to the press or it will 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: be a violation of that agreement. Any questions that people 72 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: have beyond that, she indicated on the record that she 73 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: actually I'll give the specific phrasing that she said. She said, 74 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: I moved the victim's cell phone with the intent to 75 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: impair the phone's availability in the investigation. I had no 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: right or authority to move the victim's cell phone. That 77 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: occurred between November twenty fourth and November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, 78 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: in Teller County. And that's as much as she said today. 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: What she stated today, she read a statement. You probably 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: saw her holding it in there. She said, I learned 81 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: that Patrick fre had committed a homicide and approximately November 82 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty eighteen, in Teller County, I knew that 83 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement would be investigating that crime. I moved the 84 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: victim's cell phone with the intent to impair the phone's 85 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: availability in the investigation. I had no right or authority 86 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to move the victim's cell phone. That occurred between November 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: twenty fourth and November twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, in Teller County. 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: That's a statement sheve on the record today right now. Again, 89 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: there's been nothing put on the record of where the 90 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: phone is today, and I'm not going to comment on that. 91 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Can she help you locate to the body? Again, there's 92 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: been nothing put on the record, and I'm not going 93 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: to comment on that comment. So why did you agree 94 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: to the plead? She's asking, why did we agree to 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: a plead? I don't know that I can comment on 96 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: that at this time. I think it's a fair question. 97 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm just being cautious ethically because I think you and 98 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: certainly others in the public may It's a very fair 99 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: question and one that I think the public deserves an 100 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: answer on. I just don't think today's the date to 101 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: answer that. I think that's a question I would feel 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: more comfortable answering here in just what is a ten 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: days to week something like that? Parents at excuse me? 104 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Can you use an not data on the search? I can. 105 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: His question is can I get a given update of 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: the search for Kelsey's body? Again, that's not something I 107 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: can comment on it. Maybe something you could ask the 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: police department about. I would Empark Police Department, but I 109 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: have I have a very strong feeling that they're going 110 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: to say the same thing I am right now, which 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: they can't come. Can you it was a little hard 112 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: to hear for it. Can you go over what we 113 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: do know about the damniga? Just from what was talked about? Sure, 114 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: it was put on the record that the summary was 115 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: she did plead guilty to a Class six felony tampering 116 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: with physical evidence, that she is required to cooperate. The 117 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: judge asked which she required to cooperate with the investigators 118 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: and prosecution at any time, and it was indicated she is. 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: The judge j asked is she required to testify in 120 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the future at any dates that she's asked to testify, 121 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: and it was indicated she is required to do that 122 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: it did. The judge a noted on the record that 123 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: she's not allowed to talk to the press as part 124 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: of her plea agreement. That he did state that sentencing 125 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: will be both sponed until after any cases that are 126 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: involved in this case, and that that could be anywhere 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: from six months to two years. Keep up with the 128 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Kelsey Benworth murder investigation at Nancy Grace's crime and Justice 129 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: website Crime online dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 130 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Authorities in Rockerville are searching for a nine year old 131 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: girl who went missing earlier today. Nine year old Serenity 132 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: Dinner was last spotted leaving the Children's Home Society on 133 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road around eleven twenty this morning. Dinner at 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: is seven is four seven ninety pounds, with blue eye 135 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: and shoulder length a dirty blonde hair. She was last 136 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: seen wearing a long sleeved gray shirt with flowers, blue 137 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: jeans and snow boots. Temperatures are expected to drop below 138 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: zero tonight. If anyone has any information regarding her whereabouts, 139 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: please contact the Pings And County Sheriff's Office at six 140 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: oh five three nine four six one one five. Where 141 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: is Serenity Dinner? The Little girl has been the focus 142 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: of a search. She disappeared without a coat. The sheriff 143 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: claims it's quote unlikely she has survived the freezing temperatures, 144 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: but we are holding out hope. This little girl, just 145 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: nine years old, runs away from a children's home where 146 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: she was staying without a coat. I can only imagine 147 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: why she ran away from the children's home. I mean, 148 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for being 149 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: with us with me Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, doctor 150 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Judith Joseph, New York psychiatrist Daryl Cohen, renowned Atlanta criminal 151 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor. But right now to John Linley, 152 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John, what happened Nancy's 153 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: Sunday morning? Serenity Denard was playing in the gym inside 154 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: the Black Hills Children's Home. Serenity and three other children 155 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: were being supervised by two staff members when one of 156 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: the other children darted off ran away, and as one 157 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: staffer was running after that child, Serenity also took off 158 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: in another direction. Because the remaining staffer was still supervising 159 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: two other children, they stayed put and called for help 160 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: rather than follow Serenity. Other staff soon arrived, but Serenity 161 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: was long gone. That's when the children's home administrators called police. 162 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: We are on the hunt for a little girl, just 163 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: nine years old who flees a children's home. You know, 164 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about it so much, and we 165 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: have been supporting the United Methodist Children's Home for so 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: many years, as well as the Murphy Harp's Home for 167 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: disturbed children that need extra help, and I'm just wondering 168 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: about her circumstances and why she would have run away. 169 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Kota TV. A 170 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: desperate search continues in Pennington County. Search and rescue teams 171 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: continue looking for nine year old Serenity Denard, who ran 172 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: from the Black Hills Children's Home on Sunday. Now, in 173 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: case you're not familiar with the children's home, it's on 174 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road between Rockerville and Keystone, in a fairly remote, 175 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: mostly wooded area. She was last seen late Sunday morning 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: at the home near Rockerville. The search and rescue teams 177 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: took three dogs and used handheld thermal imaging device to 178 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: search for any evidence of the girl. The search went 179 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: until ten o'clock Sunday night and started back up this 180 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: morning around six. They say more than sixty five people, 181 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: four dogs, and a civil Air patrol plane or searching 182 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: the Rockerville area today. Alexis to villexplains how the weather 183 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: affected the search and how Dennard ran away from the hall. 184 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: We just learned deputies are now looking for a couple 185 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: who may have seen Dennard last A couple was cutting 186 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: wood near Foster Gulch and South Rockerville Road. They spoke 187 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: with Children's Home Society staff Sunday morning, just before Dennard 188 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: was reported missing to police. The couples described to be 189 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: in their late twenties or early thirties and driving a 190 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: pickup truck. About sixty five search and rescue members, some 191 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: with dogs, are scanning the Rockerville area, but the cold 192 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: weather is still affecting the search. Straight out to Joseph Scott, 193 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: Morgan and professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of 194 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, jo Scott, what can 195 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: they do now to try to find her? They better 196 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: pray because this environment that she is in is hostile, 197 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: very hostile. Lots snow, very very cold. They've got the 198 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: dogs out and I understand They brought dogs in from 199 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Colorado as well as the eastern South Dakota to help 200 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: search for this child. But the problem is is that 201 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: with the snow and the melting and the refreezing and 202 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing is going to create a 203 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: problem relative to their ability to sense where she might be. 204 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: My biggest concern for her, Nancy is when she ran away, 205 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: how was she clothed, And even if she was closed 206 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: clothed appropriately to a certain degree, that can only last 207 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: for a very short period of Well, I've got a 208 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: big problem. I have a big problem that John Limley 209 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: has not told me about. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor, current 210 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer. This is what I'm learning. In the 211 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: last hours. We find out that the little girl runs 212 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: away from the youth home, but the staff at that 213 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: rural Pennington County facility call nine one one over an 214 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: hour and a half after she goes missing. The timeline 215 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: of the little nine year old girl's disappearance has been 216 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: confirmed by one of the spokespeople with the Pennington County 217 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, and the executive director, Bill Colson, who runs 218 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: it confirmed it. They've been reviewing the events of Sunday 219 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: and they have confirmed the nine one one called was 220 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: placed at twelve twenty six when Serender left a staff 221 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: site on Sunday. They claimed they did a thorough search, 222 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: but if the story was as Limley told us, which 223 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: is he's getting from them, that they wouldn't have made 224 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: a whole search of the whole grounds and waited an 225 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: hour and a half an hour and a half before 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: they call nine one one Nancy. What troubles me is, 227 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how large the property is for someone 228 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: or some ones in this instance to search the property 229 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: and say I can't find her. Clearly, in my view, 230 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: that should have happened earlier with a nine one one 231 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: should have gone out. But I'm also troubled by the 232 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: fact that I suspect this girl has run away before, 233 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: and they found her in certain areas, so they were 234 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: probably covering themselves and also thinking we're going to find her. 235 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: We've found her running away before, and other kids as well. 236 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: Why do you think this girl has run away before? 237 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: You got You don't even have a leg to stand on, Darryl. 238 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: What every time a child is in, for instance, the 239 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Methodist home or some other facility, you think they're runaways 240 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: in their problems because I disagree. Well, I don't necessarily 241 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: think they've run away. She may have said that this 242 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: is not unusual. I don't like what you told me, 243 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go hide and I'll be back later. 244 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: And maybe I go a little bit further away and 245 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: extrapolate that someone picked her up, and maybe it's even 246 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: worse than we perhaps think it is. But there's all 247 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: sorts of explanations we may never know. Well, this is 248 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: what else I know. Investigators determine heading to the children's 249 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: home around eleven a M. Did see her. She was 250 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: near a cattle guard in front of the home and 251 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: heading north on South Rockerville Road. And that's my question 252 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: to doctor's you, Joseph, I guess I need a psychiatrist, 253 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: because when you see a child leaving a youth facility alone, 254 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do something that was at eleven a m. 255 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: You know, Auntie, I work with children all the time, 256 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: and actually running away is quite common, even for kids 257 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: who are not a children's home. You know children at 258 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: this because nobody in my family and nobody I have 259 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: ever known and my personal life has ever run away ever. 260 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: But you know, it's so there are different degrees of 261 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: running away. There's running away and hiding, there's running away 262 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: and leaving the home. There's running away because you have 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: a plan. And I think it's telling that the other 264 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: child was running away too at the same time, because 265 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: around this age group, kids developmentally want to hang out 266 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: in groups and do what their friends are doing, and 267 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: so they really need to start asking the other kids, 268 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, what was her plan, because this is around 269 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: the time in development when you want to do what 270 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: your friends are doing, and it is quite possible maybe four. 271 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes kids in homes like this runaway just 272 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: to act out, or because they're feeling frustrated, or because 273 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: they have for coping skills, or sometimes they're in search 274 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,479 Speaker 1: of their parents who knows the home, or because they're mistreated. 275 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a nine year old little girl. 276 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: And back to that, the people that saw her leaving 277 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: by the caliguard, I don't understand why they didn't report it. 278 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: The tip line is six zero five three nine four 279 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: six one one five repeat six zero five three nine 280 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: four six one one five. That's the Pennington County Sheriff's Office. 281 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: The search continues for missing nine year old Serenity Dennard 282 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: and Rockerville, who was last seen at the Children's Home Society. 283 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: Let's head to our Alexis to be all alive near 284 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: the ongoing search efforts. So Alexis, do we have any 285 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: new information about Serenity. Pennington County Sheriff's Office is thanking 286 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: the public for being able to find the couple who 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: was cutting wood. They believe they were the last people 288 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: to see Serenity Denard. Now they know they've the investagers 289 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: have talked to them and found out a little bit 290 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: more details to understand a little bit more of the 291 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: timeline of what happened. Serenity was last seen on Sunday 292 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: morning at ten forty five, and they saw her when 293 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: she ran out of the facility across Rockerville Road and 294 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: up into the hills. Now they've even added more people 295 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: to the search and rescue team today. Yesterday was sixty five. 296 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: Today it's more than one hundred. Now. Over here, I'm 297 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: actually right beside the gaslight restaurant where they're taking a 298 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: little break to have their lunch, get warmed up a 299 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: little bit and try to face the cold once again. 300 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: I've talked to a few of the newbies who have 301 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: come some are coming from box El. They're telling me 302 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: that they're not even really prepared for this cold where 303 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: they'd said they had the wrong shoes, they didn't have 304 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: enough layers, so this coal it is really something putting 305 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: them behind. And it's still a big problem with the search. 306 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: They've also talked about that. Today they're focusing about a 307 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: one mile radius around in Rockerville area, still close to 308 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: the Children's Home Society. They are checking all the neighbors, 309 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: are going through the hay piles, are going woodpiles, asking 310 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: people if they can look into that to see if 311 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: maybe Serenity might be hiding in there. They are also 312 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: asking the Sheriff's office because also asking people of who 313 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: hunt if they can check their game cameras maybe there 314 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: might be any type of footage there that could be 315 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: helpful to the search. I just don't understand how this 316 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: little girl got that far away. You're hearing our friend 317 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: Kelley Schmidt and Alexis v Law at Kota describing the 318 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: search for a little nine year old Serenity Denard. But 319 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: now a shadow hanging over the search because there's a 320 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: lot of confusion surrounding the timeline of our disappearance. Listen 321 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: to kav and TV. We are learning more about the 322 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: timeline from when Serenity went missing to when the police 323 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: were called in search and rescue. It's really ramped up. 324 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: The first hours had a lot of moving parts and 325 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: there were some conflicting early reports. Here's what we know today. 326 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: At ten forty five am Sunday, Serenity was in the 327 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: gym at the Black Hills Children's Home with two staffers 328 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and three other kids. One kid caused a disturbance and 329 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: a staffer attended to that child. Serenity then ran out 330 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: of the building. The other staffer stayed with the two 331 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: other children. At eleven am, Serenity is last seen walking 332 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: near the home at twelve twenty six pm and nine 333 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: one one call goes out and Pennington County Sheriff's deputy 334 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: arrives at twelve forty six. By one sixteen, several deputies 335 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: are on scene and the decision is made to bring 336 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: in search and rescue. We reached out repeatedly to the 337 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: children's home today to ask about the hour and a 338 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: half between when they say she disappeared and the call 339 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: went out to nine one one. No one would speak 340 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to us, but they did offer this statement. Our hearts 341 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: hold out hope for the safe return of a wonderful 342 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: little girl. We are grateful for the efforts of the 343 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: Pennington County Sheriff's Office and all those who continue to 344 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: search for Serenity in these difficult winter conditions. The staff 345 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office had this to say, They got things 346 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: going on there, They got protocols and stuff that they do. 347 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: So I can't answer to all that, but what I 348 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: can tell you is is we responded as quickly as 349 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: we could once we got the information, once they get 350 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: the information. John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 351 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: it sounds to me and that to me, the description 352 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: is very murky that they actually see Serenity run out 353 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: of the building, but they sit there on their behunk 354 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: us and do nothing. Instead of going after her, they say, oh, 355 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: I had to stay with the two in the building. 356 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. They could have sent the two to 357 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: their rooms, They could have brought in somebody else and 358 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: gone after her. Sounds to me like they just didn't 359 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: want to go out in the cold. According to the 360 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Pennington County Raff's Office, as they've been able to tighten 361 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: this timeline a little bit as we've said Serenity was 362 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: last seen leaving the facility by the staff around ten 363 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: forty five. It appears it was just minutes later that 364 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: that couple that was cutting wood near Foster Gulch and 365 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road they saw her running away. This is 366 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: just shy of eleven o'clock. They were most likely the 367 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: last people to have seen Serenity. And after a public 368 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: plea a couple of days later, the couple get in 369 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: touch with the police department and they were able to 370 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: interview this couple, and that's when they were able to 371 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: actually make more sense out of what is otherwise a 372 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: confusing set of circumstances and timeline. Again to doctor Judith Joseph, 373 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: New York psychiatrist, it took them day before they told 374 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: police what they had seen. I mean, if you can 375 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: add two plus two and get four, you know, when 376 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: you see a child running away from a youth facility 377 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: by themselves in cold temperatures without a coat, that something 378 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: is wrong. And they did nothing. It's amazing the power 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: of denial and just shock sometimes. And I don't know 380 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: what they were thinking or what they exactly saw that. 381 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, most people probably would have notified it's already 382 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: more a lot sooner than that. And again, we don't 383 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: know why this child run away. I don't know her motivations. 384 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: And a lot of time kids of this age have 385 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: this anty that they're doing something that they're they're really 386 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: not equipped to do. And you know, it doesn't sound 387 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: like that she planned this escape very well. It doesn't 388 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: sound like she had an idea to how to spive 389 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: these type of temperatures, and so you wonder what was 390 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: going through her mind and whether or not the other 391 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: kids in the home, I mean, let her motives were 392 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta defense attorney Daryl Cohen, did any of your children 393 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: ever run away? That's a yes. No, my kids didn't. 394 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: My younger brother did. Where did he run too? And 395 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: he ran away going back? He was going back to 396 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: where we lived prior to our new home and they 397 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: found him hours later. To Joseph Scott Morgan, you have 398 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: a young son, has he ever tried to run away? No? 399 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: He is not. Neither have mine. But I'm sure you 400 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: remember when he was nine years old as I do. 401 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: It's not that long ago, just turned eleven. And of 402 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: course she wouldn't be equipped to know how to survive 403 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: out in the cold. Judith was wondering would she know 404 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: how to survive in the cold. I can't barely get 405 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: mine to put on a coat to walk to the 406 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: car to go to school in the morning. So of 407 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: course a nine year old little girl does not know 408 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: how to survive in the cold. No, she doesn't. And Nancy, 409 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: we have we have military people that actually live in 410 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: this particular area of the country. It's there's a big 411 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: Air Force space up there, and there's actually search, escape 412 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: and an invasion training that goes on in this area 413 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: specifically because of the hostile environment that this little girl 414 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: is in. My thought is she is ill planned, she 415 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: is ill equipped. Unless she got to shelter somewhere within 416 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: proximity of this place or hopped in a car with somebody, 417 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: they're not going to have to look very far to 418 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: find her. And I don't it's a very very difficult 419 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: situation that they find themselves in right now. Well, we 420 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: also know and correct me if I'm wrong, John, because 421 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: I may not have it correct. Did they not put 422 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: out a nine one ambre alert? They were very clear 423 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: in coming back this they being the Pennington County Sheriff's Office, 424 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: that an amber alert is only connected with a suspected abduction, 425 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: and in this case, they have no reason to believe 426 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: there is an abduction. So is that your wife telling 427 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: me now? They did not put out an amber alert. 428 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: They did not. It's been five days since nine year 429 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: old Trinity Denard went and missing from the Black Hills 430 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: Children's Home Society. Several agencies have been working to help 431 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: find her. Pennington County Search and Rescue were out for 432 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: three days in the search. The cold temperatures and steep 433 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: and icy terrain made it difficult for crews and animals 434 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: who are involved. The extreme cold temperatures that we've had 435 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks are hard on everybody. 436 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: That's hard on people, but it's really hard on the animals. 437 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: Their feet get cold, they get cold, and we have 438 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: to be careful that we don't keep them up too long, 439 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: especially trained dogs. From Iowa and around the area, including 440 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: Pennington Search and Rescue, head out this weekend to work 441 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: on recovery efforts. If you have information regarding Serenity Denard, 442 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: please call six zero five three nine four six one 443 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: one five. That's the Pennington County Sheriff's Office. 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We're never imagined to 462 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: life without a father's crime. I need justice for Liz, 463 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: A husband's plea. I Love Friday, January twenty fifth, it 464 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: was just before seven am. A coward drove up, approached 465 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: my daughter and forever changed our lives. Elizabeth Bronza shot 466 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: dead in her driveway. She was setting up for a 467 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: garage sale. The deliberate killing caught on camera and still 468 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: today very little answers. It is possible that it could 469 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: have been a male dressing up as a female, could 470 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: have been a male with longer hair. Investigators say it's 471 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: not clear whether Liz's murder was targeted or random, but 472 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: they reminded us today that Liz had no known enemies. 473 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: This woman, from what I can see, did not have 474 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: a mean bone in her body. She spent her adult 475 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: life spreading love and cheer to all of those around her. 476 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: May the force be with Elizabeth and we find her justice. 477 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: Surveillance cameras actually capture the moment a Texas woman is 478 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: gunned down in her own driveway by a mystery shoot 479 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: or dressed in a robe while she Elizabeth Brazza, is 480 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: setting up a garage sale. Caught on video, but still 481 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: the killer at large. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 482 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. There's no doubt in 483 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: my mind after reviewing that video, this was intentional. There 484 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: was no robbery, there was no sex attack, nothing. This 485 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: is what happens. You see Braza, who's this just breaks 486 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: my heart. She's setting up a yard sale to try 487 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: to raise money because she and her husband were going 488 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: on an anniversary trip. They were going to have a 489 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: celebration and she was trying to raise extra money for 490 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: her wedding anniversary trip. And you see her, she just 491 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. Outside of her tumble home, a 492 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: black pickup truck pulls up and parks across the street, 493 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: and it's very unique looking, the cab of it. Very surprised. 494 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: They haven't identified the making model of that yet. The 495 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: surveillance footage captures the killer. It looks like a woman 496 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: dressed in a light colored robe. She gets out of 497 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: the truck and quickly walks with purpose, directly to Elizabeth. 498 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: Brazza walks straight there. Now Brazza is setting up the 499 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: yard sale, and she turns and she appears to freeze 500 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: at the sight of this person, and she takes a 501 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: step back. When the person approaches her, they exchange a 502 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: few words and only eight seconds pass before who we 503 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: think is a woman lifts her arm and shoots Elizabeth 504 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: at point blank range, and she fires three times point 505 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: blank range, right at Elizabeth's face. Elizabeth falls to the 506 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: ground and then listen to this. The suspect steps over 507 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: her body and fires one more time. That is deliberate. 508 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: Dave Matt with me now, syndicated talk show host Dave 509 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: mac What more do you know? Well, what we do 510 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: know is that the pickup truck has been somewhat identified 511 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: as the black four door Nissan Frontier. As you mentioned, 512 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: there are plenty of security cameras in this neighborhood, and 513 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: they picked up this camera. The truck at another residence, 514 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: almost waiting for Barazza's husband to leave home for work. 515 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: He left at six forty eight am. Four minutes later, 516 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: at six fifty two, the truck is now in front 517 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: of the home where the woman apparent. Woman gets out 518 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: and walks directly to Elizabeth. I'm watching the video again 519 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: right now. You're right, tell me that again, Daryl Cohen, 520 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: Judith Joseph, and Joe Scott Morgan. Listen to this. So, 521 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: after the shooter shoots her three times, she falls down 522 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: in her yard, comes over, stands over her, shoots her again. 523 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: She sprints back to the truck and speeds away. But 524 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: that part you will telling me about just before the shooting, 525 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: would do you mind repeating that, Dave Matt. There are 526 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: security cameras in that neighborhood, and this truck was seen 527 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: at another almost kind of lurking at another residence, waiting 528 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: for Elizabeth's husband to actually leave the residence. He left 529 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: at six forty eight am. Four minutes later, this truck 530 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: appears on the CC cameras in front of the home 531 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: where the driver gets out and apparently walks directly to Elizabeth. 532 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: So we've got a little track here of the truck. 533 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: And again it has been labeled a Nissan Frontier, which 534 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: is not that common of a truck in this area. 535 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: So there are thoughts that they can track this black 536 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: four door Nissan pickup truck. But again sixty eight am, 537 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: her husband leaves for work at six fifty two, this 538 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: truck is seen pulling up. It was seen on other 539 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: security cameras in the neighborhood, and they're still looking for 540 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: other residents to look through their video camera surveillance to 541 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: see if it was picked up in other areas. But 542 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: it looked like she was the driver or the shooter 543 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: here was waiting for the husband to leave and had 544 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: to know what time this husband normally leaves for work. 545 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: Okay to Gerald Cohen, defense attorney, a renowned defense attorney 546 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: actually former prosecutor in inner City Atlanta, Daryl, it's on video. 547 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind this was intentional. 548 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: And for them to say that she doesn't have a 549 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: single enemy, she may not know she has an enemy. 550 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: For Nancy, this is a target, This is a statement. 551 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: This case will not bring her back, but they'll solve 552 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: it by looking at her background, looking at her husband's background, 553 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: perhaps even her father's background. Was she having an affair? 554 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: Was her husband having an affair? Are they going to 555 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: teach her a lesson? This last shot is what troubles 556 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: me more than the ones that probably killed her. That 557 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: was the one. It's a statement, you're never going to 558 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: get away with this. And she may have been doing 559 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: something and her husband may have been doing it, but 560 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: they made a statement to her husband, and I think 561 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: that where we're going to find who the shooter was, 562 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: male or female. Two Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor Forensics, 563 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: Jackson State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet 564 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: on Amazon Joe Scott. It's amazing to me they haven't 565 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: been able to enhance the tag on the Ford, excuse me, 566 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: the black Nissan Frontier to once they get a tag number, 567 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: they know who the car belongs to unless it's stolen. 568 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm very surprised about that. And also it seems to me, 569 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: since this is so deliberate, would have a better idea 570 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: of who a potential purb is. But what forensics are 571 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: they looking for right now? Joe Scott, Well, I think 572 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: it's all going to go back to the truck right now. 573 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've been watching I've been watching this 574 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: video loop I don't know, since last night, just trying 575 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: to pick up on little nuances of this thing. It's 576 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: it's laid out pretty clear what has happened. She's in 577 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: very close proximity. There's gonna be a lot of guns 578 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: shot residue potentially that's coming out of the end of 579 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: that barrel. But that's not the important thing here. What 580 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: the important thing is going back to this truck. If 581 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, this is Texas. They've got front plates 582 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: on this truck and so I don't know. I think 583 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: that if they get this thing up to the FBI. 584 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: If they get this video evidence up to the FBI, 585 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: they may be able to digitally enhance this. And this 586 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: is another thing, and this is why it's so very 587 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: important relative to relative to everybody else in this neighborhood, 588 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: everybody has many people have these little cameras on their hounds. 589 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: My thought is is that they need to scour this 590 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: neighborhood and look for other videography of this truck passing around. 591 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: It's already been reported that this individual has been circling around, 592 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a shark around this neighborhood. 593 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: And if you watch the very first part of the video, 594 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: before this individual shoots her and walks up to her 595 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: and shoots her, you can see the headlights appear off 596 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: in the distance. Headlights never went off, Nancy. They enhanced 597 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: in the photo for a second. The vehicles sitting there, 598 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: I guess just running, and then the individual sprints back 599 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: to the truck. This truck has been seen in other 600 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: areas in this neighborhood. I think that they can pull 601 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: the plate off of this thing. We stand here before 602 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: you today because our beautiful daughter was murdered. She was 603 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: a simple, kind and generous person. Happily living an amazing 604 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: life of service. She was blessed with an incredible marriage 605 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: to an amazing man. She spent her adult life spreading 606 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: love and cheer to all of those around her. Sergio 607 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: Braza and Liz they were good people before they met, 608 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: but they made each other better and together they were 609 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: awe inspiring through their involvement with the Fible First Legion 610 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: and similar groups. They converted a passion for star wars 611 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: into countless smiles on the faces of sick children and 612 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: adults desperately in need of them. They had so much 613 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: fun together and brought laughter to those who met them, 614 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: never once asking for anything in return. On Friday, January 615 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: twenty fifth, our daughter lives set up for a garage 616 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: sale at her home in tom Ball. She was just 617 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: hoping to sell a few things to make a little 618 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: extra spending money for their fifth anniversary trip that they 619 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: planned to leave on Sunday. My wife, Liz was an 620 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: amazing person. She's a beautiful person with the kindness of souls. 621 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: She had such a big heart. Tragically, someone stole that 622 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: away from us. On the morning of the twenty fifth. 623 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: I just left for work that morning and I'm just 624 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: so happy that the last words I got to say 625 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: to my beautiful wife was I love you, and she 626 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: said I love you too. She's going to be dearly 627 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: missed by so many people she affected in her life. 628 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: We devoted, Liz devoted, and I devoted so much time 629 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: to charity with the Bible First Legients. She helped kids 630 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: in hospitals, We volunteered for community events so many It's 631 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: just so sad that my wife passed away in the 632 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: same hospital that we did so many hours of volunteering at. 633 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: You were hearing Lizz's husband speaking that surgery Braza. Who 634 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: would come up to this woman setting up a yard 635 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: cell in her front yard gun her down on purpose? 636 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 1: To Dave Max, Indicated talk show host Dave, I agree 637 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: with you. I've been reviewing all of the video, including 638 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: that extra clip you told me about the guys the person. 639 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: I think it's actually a woman stood there leaning against 640 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: the black Ford Nissan Frontier until the husband leaves, gets 641 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: in and drives over. It's so intentional, Dave Mack, what 642 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: more do we know about Liz Barroz's murderer. The police 643 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: are still trying to track down the vehicle, This Nissan frontier. 644 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: We know that they've at this point believe it's probably 645 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: a woman that did the shooting, or it was a 646 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: man dressed as a woman. We can tell that they 647 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: were waiting. I say they the shooter was waiting for 648 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: the husband to leave. He left the house of six 649 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: forty eight that we also see in that video, and 650 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned this, she actually Elizabeth takes a step back 651 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: when the woman approaches her. Obviously there's something said in 652 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: that eight seconds at the very beginning part that made 653 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: her take pause, and she stepped back almost in fear 654 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: a gut reaction here. And then after a brief, brief discussion, 655 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: the woman takes up the gun three times right there 656 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: and then walks over her body and delivers what she 657 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: believes is probably a kill shot and then runs back 658 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: to the vehicle and takes off all of it on video. 659 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 1: Hey Nancy, Yeah, if I could, if I could interject 660 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: one thing here, I agree with Dave. When I was 661 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: watching this thing, this poor lady she has there is 662 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: a sudden awareness you can kind of pick up on 663 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: it of her and it looks as though her left hand, 664 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: her left hand, because she's facing the purp. It looks 665 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: as though her left hand slightly raises and extends, and 666 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: there's something that passes between them. I don't know what 667 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if this is an awareness, 668 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: if something was spoken or something. But this woman, the perpetrator, 669 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: I say, woman whoever it is, raises the weapon to 670 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: face level, now face level. That first shot appears to 671 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: me at least, and the initial video is fired directly 672 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: into her face or at her neck, and then it 673 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: just and the woman begins to stumble back, and there's 674 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: three shots or two shots that are fired immediately after that, 675 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: and then of course she steps in for you know, 676 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: the coup de graw where she stands over her and 677 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: fires down and purposefully does this. She had specific intent 678 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: when she showed up to end this woman's life, and 679 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: there was an awareness that passed between these two. And 680 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: going back to what Darryl said earlier, I'm really wondering 681 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: if there is some kind of histrionics that's going on here, 682 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,720 Speaker 1: some kind of pre existing relationship something. I just can't 683 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: imagine someone walking up to a defenseless woman that is 684 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: setting up for garage sale, which I've done before at 685 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: that time of day, and just opening fire on her 686 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: and It's not like a random stranger passing by and 687 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: somebody fires that shot out of the window. She specifically 688 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: walked up with intent, raised that weapon and fired at her, 689 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: and she had her full attention when she did. Now, 690 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: you brought up an interesting point, and I'm gonna go 691 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: to our psychiatrist, dot Judith Joseph joining us from New 692 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: York Doctor Joseph. The fact that it was so early 693 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: in the morning, I mean at six forty five in 694 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: the morning. True, I've already been up a couple of 695 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: hours by then, but my mind is not on murder 696 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: unless I'm preparing for our content. But I mean your 697 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: mind to be thinking of murder and planning and carrying 698 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: out a murder plan at six thirty in the morning. 699 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: Aren't most people thinking of getting a cup of hot 700 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: tea or coffee and getting their children to school, except 701 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: if you're a murderer, and they except if you've planned this, 702 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: and it does there's a premeditated element to this. This 703 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: person waited until her husband left and then approached her 704 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: and then shot her in an execution style manner. So 705 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: that told me that there was a lot of rage 706 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: and likely this person knew her. And we know that 707 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: about one in four people who are killed in this way, 708 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: woman in particular, are killed most likely by an intimate 709 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: partner or someone that they've known intimately in the past. 710 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: So this tells me there's a bit of jealousy or rage, 711 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: and the timing of this right before her anniversary trips 712 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: should not be ignored. People need to be looking at 713 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: past lovers. They need to be looking at perhaps past 714 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: love was of her husband, and whether or not there 715 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: was some jealousy. They need to be looking at whether 716 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: or not actually had any conflicts or fights in the 717 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: weeks leading up to this trip and leading up to 718 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: her murder. Tells me that this person hated her, wanted 719 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: her dead, and had been planning this. You know, listening 720 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: to your train of thought to me is fascinating, Doctor Joseph, 721 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: I want to go to Darryl Cohen, Atlanta defense attorney Daryl. 722 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: I just had another thought when doctor Judith Joe Scott 723 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: was talking about the time of the shooting, you know, 724 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: six forty eight in the morning or six fifty two, 725 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: and doctor Judith was talking about the details. What about 726 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: this detail that the killer was wearing a house robe 727 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: and at six forty eight in the morning. Do you 728 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: think they just said, you know what, I'm going to 729 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: shoot her dad. They woke up, they put on their 730 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: house robe and left the house. Could it have been 731 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: that spur of the moment. I don't think it was 732 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: that spur of the moment, Nancy. I think if you 733 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: find the who, you'll find out the why, or if 734 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: you find the why, you will find the who. I 735 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: think I'm smelling an affair, and I'm smelling that either 736 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: the victim was having an affair or the victim's hold on, 737 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on a moment, Daryl Cohen. I can 738 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: tell you this much. A woman is not going to 739 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: be out in the front yard at six thirty in 740 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: the morning setting up a yard cell to make money 741 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: to go on her fifth and wedding anniversary trip. That's 742 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: having an affair. If she's having an affair, she'll say, Hey, 743 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: let's just drive to McDonald's. I'm fine with it, Okay, No, 744 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: uh no, it's not her. I can tell you that much, 745 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, I can I can nip that in the 746 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: bud right now. I don't. I don't know anything at 747 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: all about any other parties or about as doctor Judith 748 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: Joseph said, who were these two with before they got 749 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: married five years ago? But I can tell you out 750 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: having a yard sale, in my mind, precludes you've got 751 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: a lover. Daryl Cohen doesn't preclude it to me, there's 752 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: something going on. This is personal. This is not a 753 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: random I was going to shoot her, and I was 754 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: going to send a message either to her husband or 755 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: to my husband or my lover. That's what this is 756 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: all about. It. I agree, it's got to be about anger, 757 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: but it's personal. I agree. I think it's about anger, 758 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: pure anger. And you know, I noticed another thing. To 759 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. The Harris County Sheriff's office still says 760 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: they're investigating whether it was random or targeted. Well, I 761 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: hope they're listening. I can tell them right now it 762 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: was targeted. You don't need to investigate that anymore. The 763 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers of Houston that entity offering a twenty thousand 764 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: dollar reward for information leading to the arrest or charging 765 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: of the person behind this horrible murder. If you have 766 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: information nine one zero three four three three six zero 767 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: nine repeat nine one zero three four three three six 768 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: zero nine. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,