WEBVTT - Hidden Figures with Nina Daniels 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.560 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.520 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.920 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.720 start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hi, and welcome 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.239 to the backdel Cast. I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie, and we're 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.640 here to talk about movies and how they portray women. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.680 That was great. Yeah, that was like the most distinct 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.480 I've ever done it. I know. I used to take 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:34.920 us five minutes. Man, we are growing. How's your day? 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.960 My day has been okay. Oh. So I went out 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.800 for a jog. I jogg and I saw I ran 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.480 past a guy who was chugging a box of Frenzya 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.680 on the sidewalk, and I was like, that's unusual. And 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.200 then I ran between him in a car and there 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.680 was someone in the car filming him. So I was like, 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.680 that makes more sense. He's doing it for like a bit, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.120 someone's filming him. I get it. But like first split second, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.160 I was like, why is this guy just chugging a 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:08.319 box of Franzia on the sidewalk? It was real, like 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.320 a real Franzia. I think it would be more work yeah, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.120 I mean, you'd have to empty out the bag, fill 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.840 it with water. Why do that? Why not just chug Franah. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.720 I burned myself out on that, and I did that 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.640 a couple of times in college, and now I disassociate 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.160 it with the smell of the basement apartment I used 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.640 to live in. Can't do it anymore. Yeah, not that 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.800 it's great wine to begin with. No, my day was bad. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.319 I'm sorry to hear that. That's okay, let's start that episode. Okay, 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:42.000 let's do that. We are here with a wonderful guest. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.240 She is a comedian. She is a cellist. True story. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.680 She also has a show here at nerd Melt in 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:56.160 Los Angeles, California. Nina Daniels, thank you for having me, guys, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.400 thanks for being here. You're welcome. And that's the end 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.080 of the episode. But we did it. We uh. We're 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:09.320 talking about a movie called Hidden Figures. Talk to us 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.360 about when did you see this movie? I mean it 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.000 came out, you know, not long ago, a few months ago. Actually, No, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.280 I saw it through SAG Awards in my living room 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.560 on my laptop. How fancy. Yeah, because when you're in 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.680 SAG they give you screeners. Nice so that was one 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:32.119 of the screeners that I am watched and completely fell 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.119 in love with. This movie so good. Yeah, I saw 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.640 it in the theater by myself. I wish I had 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.680 seen it in the theater. Yeah, it was great. I 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.560 so I go to the movies by myself often and 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:49.959 who knows why. Well, I'll talk to about with my therapist. No, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.320 it's very it's very therapeutic for me to go to 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.040 the movies by myself. Um. But here's the thing. I 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.040 don't let myself get emotional in public like I And 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.000 it's another thing I need to talk to my therapy. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.840 It's about do I even have a therapist? Now, I 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.120 don't should make an appointment, but I have a really 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.640 hard time, like I can't let people see me cry. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.440 And this movie made me so emotional. I was like 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.240 on the verge of tears the entire time because I'm 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.480 just like, oh, these women are being mistreated and all 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.680 this injustice. They're uplifting each other and and I was 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.760 like just nearly crying the entire time. And I was like, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.959 I can't but I can't let anyone see me cry. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.880 I couldn't be you Literally a commercial makes me cry. Oh, yeah, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.760 I'll be like, because I love you like this sweet 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.560 I cry. Oh, everybody laughs at me a movie because 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.200 they just they see something and everybody just looks at 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.040 me to see if tears are coming down. Yeah no, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.000 I'm I'm very I repress my emotions and it's not healthy, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:50.200 but I don't. But that's good. Yeah, I should repress 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.440 my maybe a little bit more. It interferes with your life. Really, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.280 it's well, I mean sometimes it's like, man, I gotta 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.240 take a I gotta take a walk. Sometimes I was 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.600 just to like walk off my emotions and then returned 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.520 to I don't know. Today my therapist was like, I 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.080 think you should spend the weekend inside and where bata 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:16.360 block or sunglasses? Anyways, let's talk about the movie. See. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.680 I saw that the other first time. I really loved it. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.359 I thought it was great. Jimmy, when did you see it? 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.720 I saw it last week and I really really liked it. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.040 It was one of the movies that I wanted to 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:30.000 see over the holidays, and uh, I wasn't able to 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.839 because my mom wanted to see the Jackie Oh movie, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:39.000 which was so great. I passed on that good call. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:44.520 It was not It was a stinker, but still still 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.120 still feel ill from me right, It's just it was. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.560 It was a drag. But that's the Kennedy assassination for you. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.960 And this this movie made me feel so good and 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.560 like was the sort of movie that I felt good 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.359 about days after watching it, not as good as it 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:07.719 made me feel. Oh yeah, talk about that. I mean, well, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.760 first of all, I did want to see it in 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.360 the movie theater, but I was so excited about it 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.640 that I couldn't even wait because I had to screener. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.320 I'm like, I have to see this like right now 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.600 for many reasons. One which a lot of people probably 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.839 wouldn't know, but all three women are or were UM 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.919 some of the past members of the same sorority that 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.320 I met. The office ality incorporated all three, so that 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.919 was like really enlightening. It was like, oh my goodness, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.400 because quick at three lesson. But you know, in a 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:44.600 African American sorority, we don't just pledge or participate in undergrad. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.240 It's like that movie The Firm. Once you get in 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.320 you can't get out, like literally you're and you become 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.080 more active once you get to UM, once you graduate. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.400 Enjoy was called grad chapter yeah or you're inactive like 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.680 me and should be doing in grad chapter just pay 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.960 your due and you're just like a general member. But yeah, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.919 so it was like I was really proud, really proud 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.200 sister of Alpha Cappa Alpha watching them, like of course 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.520 they were all sorears. It made me very proud. That's awesome. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.359 A little cocky now, you know. That made me excited 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.400 and also made me excited, as you know, an African 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:25.400 American woman to see three brilliant women and I thought 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.480 and directed to such a great job of showing their 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.760 brilliance and also showing what they had to deal with, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.640 but not like dumbing them down or not making it 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.599 some SAPPI like woe is Me stories a lot of times, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.520 you know, some of these movies are like oh, the 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.640 whole black person hand to struggle through. It was like 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.240 this women were so confident and so like in the 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.880 car the car scene when the car broke down and 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.760 they were like, well you could walk or sit in 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.200 the back of the bus and they were like, no, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.039 I don't think so. I was like, that's me right there, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.400 I don't think. So that was like a prime also 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.880 to show the pride and the almost part of the 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.520 arrogance of like, now we're not doing that, and during 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.560 that ninety one nineteen sixty one that was very impressed. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.120 That scene ends with them fixing the car and then 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.840 the or the cop pulls up and you're like, fuck 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:23.240 this fucking cop. What's he gonna do in advance? And 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:29.080 then um, right, yeah, but then they talked to him. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.360 They have to convince him that they're like, yes, we 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.280 work at NASA, we do important things like we're not 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.960 and he's just like, I didn't know there were women. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:44.160 you knew That's not what he was gonna say. Was brilliant. Um. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.640 But then he offers to escort them the rest of 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.280 the way, and that I wrote down what um what 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.400 Mary says, yeah, because she's like three negro women are 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.040 chasing the white police officer are down in highway in Hampton, Virginia, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.320 nineteen sixty one, that these this is a god or 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:07.640 dama a miracles. That I wrote that down as well, Kaitlin, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.920 do you want to do the recap? The recap? Oh Man. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.040 The story is about three black women, Katherine Gobel who 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.960 becomes Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson. Stories based 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.800 on real life events. These were real women. They were 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.760 all employed by NASA. This is a movie set in 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.680 ne where in the middle of the space race with 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.600 the Russians. You know, the US is trying to pull ahead. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.920 The Russians get a man in space first. Everyone's freaking out. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.599 Katherine Gobel did a lot of the analytic geometry to 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.760 calculate the trajectories and the landing and takeoff for the rockets. Meanwhile, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.880 Mary Jackson is she wants to be an engineer, but 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.520 she can't because she doesn't have quite the right qualifications, 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.920 or she has the qualifications, but they're like finding ways 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.880 to suppress her ability to actually be an engineer because 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.000 he's a woman. So she has to like petition and 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.559 get a court age and all the stuff and so 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.679 that she can take classes to get the qualifications. Long 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.080 story short, she finally gets there. Yeah, she becomes an engineer. UM, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.360 but she's working in like this engineering department. UM. They're 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.679 trying to figure out how to make it so that 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.920 the space craft that they're trying to launch into space 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.520 is ready for the astronauts to actually be there, and 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.200 that it's safe so they don't all die in space. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.320 And then the third main character, Dorothy Vonne. She's essentially 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.480 a supervisor, but they won't give her the title or 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.679 the pay. And she's supervising a group of like twenty 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.880 other black women who are all computers and and doing 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.679 other you know, important math and analytics and stuff like 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.640 that for NASA. UM. And it's basically just it takes 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.600 place over of course of a few months, and they're 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.319 all just trying to do the work that needs to 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.000 be done to get people in space. The end. I 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.480 think it's pull to point out that, you know, they 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.600 were called computers because there were there were no computers 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.840 yet IBM. They were just waiting to get their IBM. Yeah. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:12.199 Other characters who are important, um, Katherine's boss played by 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.839 Kevin Costner. This is the first time I have not 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.040 hated him in a movie. So yeah, like Kevin Klein, 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:28.400 Yeah kind of clin has always been great. Yeah please Ken, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.200 So he's her boss. Then there's Jim Parsons. I forget 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.920 his characters. Love his characters is Paul Paul Staff And 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.480 I think, yeah, I love Jim Parsons. He looks a 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.040 little alien all the time. This a little alien looking guy. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.600 His character though, so despicable. Yes, he was so good 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:54.920 at this movie. Yeah, he's alien. Kristen Dunnes plays a 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.400 woman I don't entirely know what her job, Mrs Mrs Mitchell. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.959 She's a coordinator Achill. So it's the castle, same characters. Yeah, alright. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.560 The first thing I want to say about this movie 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.000 is it it caused attention to the fact that, like 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.319 one of the most significant historic and scientific feats of 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.040 the twentieth century, and also, like I don't know all 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.439 of history, which was putting a man into space, was 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.080 made possible by a group of black women who you've 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.400 probably never heard about until now, because I didn't learn 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.880 this stuff in history class. And that's why. I mean, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.760 obviously the title of the movie suggests that these are 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.400 hidden figures because we don't, like they don't teach us this, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.559 but I didn't learn about this. I didn't. I think 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.920 that it kind of like that extends to the movie 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.720 universe too, because I think about how many fucking space 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.120 movies there are, and every time you catch at the 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.640 control room, there's a white guy in there, there's you know, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.679 like there's barely any women at all, not to mention 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.000 a person of color, and so it's like I don't know. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.640 I was thinking a lot about that during the movie too, 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.319 just like you know, like Armageddon and Paul eleven and 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.400 one of the characters I thirst and start to man 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:15.040 um but who Katherine is later involved with, and like 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.600 you would never see that reflected. I knew about Katherine Johnson. Yeah, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.760 And as a matter of fact, I had had actually forgotten. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.480 My dad was like, you wrote a paper on her. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.599 I was like, oh good, you know, but I was 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.400 really young. But I definitely think seeing the movie definitely 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.280 gave me brought awareness to a very different way. I mean, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.160 my parents were great because we learned about a lot 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.480 of um African American people who were outstanding and amazing 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.439 and change history. That we're not just Martluther King. I 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.120 love him, but you know, or I would say Benjamin 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.360 Bannon early and if anybody knows who he like, um, 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.280 Paul Robeson, and I mean there's a lot of people 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.160 that when I was a kid, my parents we would 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.360 get a list of names to write a paper. And 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.520 I did not go to school with the many other 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.520 African Americans, especially teachers, so it be like me in 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.880 the class and it would be only historical figures, but 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.800 none of them would be black, and my parents would 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.360 be like, they cross it out. Maybe you're doing a 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.400 paper on this person. I would bring it back to them, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.959 this is what I'm doing it on, and the teacher. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.679 You could tell the teacher, look like, I did not 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.880 assign that to you. But I'm definitely not going to 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.760 challenge you on this because good luck challenging my mother. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.840 Good luck with that. You would lose that battle of hardcore. Yeah, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.199 I mean, I grew up in rural western Pennsylvania. I 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.040 grew up in rural Long Island. Yeah. Man, that's the thing, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.000 like I like, I mean, I didn't have parents to 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.640 be like, you're gonna do this paper on an American 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.199 person and stead like I don't think we talked about 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.840 in history class, like any notable figures in history who 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:59.480 were black except maybe, uh, I mean, and not many 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.160 women there. I mean, like I knew about Betsy Ross 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.160 because she made a flag or something, but like, other 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.520 than that, it was just a bunch of white dudes. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.240 My favorite woman growing up was um Surely Chisholm. She 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.160 went for president first black women, like she's part of 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.599 the women's suffers movement, Like she's no joke. Man, she 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.120 was like I remember being a kid and be like 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.400 I want to be like her. She was. So that's 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.200 what I mean, Like we were lucky. We were very fortunate. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.120 We're exposed to so many people. Yeah, it was really 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.800 interesting to um see. And I mean, I think what 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.480 I love most about Hidden Figures as well is that 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.400 it also showed the softness of African American women, meaning 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.320 like they weren't like and and and I say, it's 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.440 like I love being strong and and in the the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.240 portrayal of strong African and Black women. But like, these 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.520 women were known for their brains and they didn't have 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.600 to put anything on it. They were just being who 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.000 they are and that's what made them up as their intelligence. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.960 And I felt like they led by their intelligence, and 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.280 that to me was like that, you're refreshing thing to see. Yeah, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.000 I love that. I loved that. One of the other 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.760 thing the main things this movie does is that it 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.840 just shows how many hurdles these women had to jump 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.920 over in like every part of their job and outside 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.080 of their job, just to like prove that they're capable 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.800 and like, yeah, we are, we can do this, and 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.040 then exactly and everyone's just like I don't know about that, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.920 but it's also proved yourself. It's also a testament to 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.600 when someone says cream always rises to the top. Literally 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.800 they needed them because no one could do it. Yeah, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.360 like no one else could do it, you know. So 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.800 it's almost like if you can make yourself so useful 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.320 that nobody else could do it. And it was interesting, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.840 like also to about the engineering with Mary and that 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.200 character even you know, saying, you know, I'm Jewish and 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.320 I came here from but the thing is like you're 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.760 still a man, you know, and you're still a white 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.840 man in America. Like, so it was really interesting this 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.280 see him have that because her obscle wasn't just being 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.120 a woman where she needed to take the courses they 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.720 didn't allow African Americans, so that was really I mean 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.120 being a woman was part of it, but second layer 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.520 of it is it didn't allow a woman of color. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:18.360 Yeah what people of color? For that intersectionality. She had 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.920 to go to court to take a class like I 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.200 think it was like a high school. She had to 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.040 go take it at a night class, which was which 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.880 was like wow, Yeah, there's so many steps she had 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.400 to go through just to be able to get the 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.400 credentials she needed to do the job that she was 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.800 already qualified to do. My mom would have totally done 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.640 that for real. My mom would have been excuse me, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.920 here we go. Uh. And and it was it was 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.120 nice to see I mean, it wasn't like a main 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.000 focal point, but it was nice to see their their 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.840 home lives as well, um and that the other roles, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.200 because I feel like it would have been easy to 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.120 just keep this in the workplace, and it would have 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.560 still been powerful if it was just in the workplace. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.840 But it was nice to see um, not just the 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.960 professional hurles, but it um trying to maintain a life 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.600 for their kids and all this stuff because they still 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.040 love all the pressures associated with mother right. Yeah, all 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.440 three of those women had young children, and um, Catherine 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.479 was a single mother at like she started out that way. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.880 She ends up marrying Jim Johnson. But I love that relationship. Yeah, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.000 I love like you know, they showed such a respectful 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.480 like black love, which I loved. I was like, oh, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.280 this is so sweet. When he apologized to her for 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:33.880 doubting her when they first met, I was like, all right, yeah, yeah, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.119 because what is the first thing he said? Because he's like, oh, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.040 I understand you work at NASA, and she's like, yeah, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.040 we do all the you know, the calculations, and he's 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.200 just like, oh, they let women. And then he stops talking. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.159 He's like, oh, man, I funked up real bad. She's like, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.440 I'm gonna walk away and you should shut up. And 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.040 then the next time he's like, I owe you an apology. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.920 She's like, yeah, I'm waiting for it. It also showed 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.560 the complications in Mary's marriage right, which I loved as well, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.240 the juxtaposition of that relationship versus that and also married 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.000 not like she didn't play down and come down for 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.800 her husband even though he had all the use like 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.640 issuesn't concerned and she was just like, yeah, no, I'm 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.440 I'm gangster. I'm doing it like you shouldn't believe you 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.960 should not you know, which is I'm such an optimist. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.119 It's so hard for me to like, look at the 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.440 glasses never half compt to me. It's always have full. 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.880 So I was like, go, Mary, you can do this. Well. Yeah. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.840 Just like just seeing these three main characters who pretty 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.400 much at almost every point in the movie just refused 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.440 to be bulldozed by literally the entire world that's trying 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.400 to bud and and uh you know, like you're saying 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.040 it just like making themselves so like incredibly intelligent and 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.800 useful that you can't I didn't like they couldn't have 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.520 done it without them. Also, the intelligence wasn't um, it 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.800 wasn't forced. It was like quiet intelligent. That's what I love. Yeah, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.760 just like came across very organganically, which is how we 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.240 they're doing the job. They're just I wanted to talk 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.040 a little bit more about that scene. It's one of 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.480 the opening scenes where they're broke down on the side 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.360 of the road and Dorothy is like fixing the car. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.920 And I mentioned in an earlier episode of this podcast 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.800 where I'm like, I hate that trope or like to 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.399 show a woman to show that she's not just like 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.960 any other woman, she's good at fixing cars, and like 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.520 it's an annoying trope, but like that's what happened in 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.480 this movie, like they broke down. I believe that that 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:35.520 character knew how to fix and thens something like in Transformers, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.119 like you see Megan Fox leaning over the hood of 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.440 a car basically like having sex with a car. Male 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.440 gaze all over the place, like lingering up and down. Yeah, 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.879 but like she was I thought I thought she was 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.000 literally I thought it was like I didn't even realize 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:56.040 that she was actually supposed to be fixing that Wait. Yeah, 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.960 I was like, what's she doing next to that car? 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.720 I was like, this is the part in the movie 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.520 when want some like the one to sell sex. Yeah, exactly, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.560 And then in this movie like Dorothy's like splayed out 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.520 lying on the ground like under the car. Actually you 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.000 actually think, yeah, it wasn't sexy. It was just like, yeah, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.399 she just is trying to figure out what the problem is, 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.000 and any context of the movie like that made total sense. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.879 It didn't feel trophy at all. No, no, actually, and 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.199 you're saying it didn't. It didn't even any even think 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.280 about it until right now, you know, you're bringing up 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.399 It was just like a normal thing that happened. You're like, yep, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.440 this checks out, Yeah, and that was that wasn't I 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.440 feel like the reason people usually do that trope is 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.280 because the like whatever whoever the female character is is 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:41.000 like portrayed as like so unrealistically that they're like, but wait, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.639 she's grounded, and these women are portrayed realistically for the 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.840 duration of the movie so it's like cool, Yeah, they 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:53.560 can fix cars. There's so much cooler than me. Part 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.240 of what made me love this movie even more it 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.920 was there was a few um campaigns around the time 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.600 when it was actually in theaters, UM where a lot 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.199 of people were donating to send uh classes of kids 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.800 to go see this movie. And it's amazing that as 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.680 many classes as as did got to see it in 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.640 the theater. But just thinking about like years down the line, 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:20.080 this will be like watched in history classes and there's 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.200 not a lot of movies like it, and it's that 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.760 to me was like so exciting of like imagine being 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.480 whenever seven or eight years old and and seeing this movie. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.680 It would be I think I think a couple of 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:36.679 the actors was like I think Tonti Pinson I think 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.760 also made Octavie I spent some like bought out theaters. 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.680 Oh yeah, I believe they brought out theaters so that 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:48.560 people and go in and see it. Oh man, that's yeah. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.440 So like this movie, I don't know, there's not a 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.520 lot of movies you see where you're like, oh, this 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.120 is going to have a serious legacy and impact far 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.840 beyond the time it's actually in theaters. Um, and they're 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.960 like the UM. I felt like the accurate portrayal of 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:08.520 Paul and Katherine and Paul's Jim Parson's character. I like 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.560 the fact that he just stayed in his character the whole, 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.880 like to the end. He was not going to give 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.000 up being an asshole at all. And I loved it. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.120 I'm like, was it like a romantic ending with that dude? Yeah, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.280 it was like, great, that's great. You're racist and you 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:29.520