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Speaker 1: was talking to took the peanut butter and went up,

426
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: grabbed the Russian flag, the USSR flag off the pole,

427
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,239
Speaker 1: folded it up, gave it to my dad and said here,

428
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: I'll trade you this for the peanut butter. And then

429
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: he took his hat off. And the next day another

430
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: guy took his watch off those the USS are issued

431
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: watch and I just remember him coming back to Amarillo

432
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: number one. We had a great laugh at that point,

433
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: I thought, um, and he was just like, I can't

434
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 1: keep doing this. I'm missing out in your life. I

435
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: feel like I'm called to be a preacher, and this

436
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: the fact that you go over there and that the

437
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: life is such that they would trade their flag of

438
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: their country for a can of peanut butter is crazy. UM.

439
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: So I just remember him at that point like starting over,

440
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: and he's like, I need to quit this. Um. We

441
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: lost all everything he and eventually became like preaching, and

442
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: we lost the house that we had, the nice car.

443
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: Everything kind of went back to square one and nothing.

444
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: But I was like kind of proud of him for

445
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 1: like starting over in the middle of his life, which

446
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: most people don't do, because he was miserable and he

447
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: was missing his kids lives, and I was just like, dude,

448
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: that's later on love. I look back, I'm like, dude,

449
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: that it's amazing to be He was running Don Judd

450
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: Dodge at the time, working eighty nine hours a week,

451
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: and then he goes from that to making twenty grand

452
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 1: and get We're getting shipped all around the country to California,

453
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, just tagging along, trying to find a little

454
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: church that would allow him to preach and that kind

455
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: of thing. So I think I'm here and I'm thankful

456
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: for that because you know, he showed me you can

457
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: like start over at anytime. We get back to Texas.

458
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: When I was in high school and I was like wild,

459
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: you know. So I had my sweet sweetheart girl I have.

460
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 1: I still I'm hanging with her. But Krystal met when

461
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: I was fifteen, and by hanging with her, I've been married. Yeah.

462
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: I want everybody know you made by hanging and he

463
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 1: didn't be married. Yeah, I just hang. No, we've been

464
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: we've been heading for a while. We were inquired together,

465
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: you know, we were like super super cool. We weren't

466
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: like all state choir nerds or anything like that. But

467
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: we I met her on this, you know, and we're

468
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: back to being like dirt poor and Emerald, Texas and

469
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm living with like eight d square foot house kind

470
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: of that kind of thing, but super happy. My parents

471
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: are happy, and they're working at a church, quite a

472
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: big church in town. And I fall in love with

473
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: this girl in high school and I get her pregnant,

474
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: and it was crazy to me to know the right

475
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: thing to do, you know, and to be this young,

476
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: and then like, you know, I've just screwed up my future.

477
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: You know. I had I aced all my essa t

478
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: s and all this kind of stuff, so I had

479
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities, and then I just saw myself

480
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: just kind of wreck it all. In that moment, I thought,

481
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, so, and my dad, he's a preacher, and

482
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: I go into him and say that I got bad

483
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: news and you know, we're pregnant. I'm fifteen or sixteen

484
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: at the time, and I remember him just crying and

485
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: not being mad at all, just being like, we're here

486
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: for you whatever you need, just if you want to

487
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: get married. If you don't want to get married, we

488
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: don't care. We're here for you guys. I think, you know,

489
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a massive change. But I just

490
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: was so enamored with the way he loved me, and

491
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: you know that it made me be like, okay, I

492
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: have to this is an amazing dad I have. I'm

493
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: so thankful for this, this dude that hasn't because I

494
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: think I would probably have been pissed it, probably screamed

495
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 1: to my kid and knocked him upside the ball cap

496
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: and be like years, you know, but he just did

497
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: it with such love that I was really affected by it.

498
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: And then he was very proud of us. And we

499
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: had a baby there, and I was in high school

500
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: and finished high school and worked, like, you know, from

501
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: twelve to seven, I worked at the plumbing company, and

502
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I just really scraped by, and you know, I had

503
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: four or five jobs before that even But I remember

504
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: specifically he got fire from the church because he was

505
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: so forgiving and we were so public about it, and

506
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: I was, you know, he got fired from the church,

507
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: got fire from the church. So then it was just

508
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: one of those things where I was, you know, we're

509
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: sitting there, he doesn't have a job anymore, we're all

510
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: living in his house and well he was just you know,

511
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: it was bad. It was bad, I mean bankrupt. The

512
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: whole thing was just all evaporated in front of us.

513
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: And I just felt like this a massive amount of guilt.

514
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: It was my fault because I you know, in that

515
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: kind of Southern Baptist world that we lived in, it

516
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: was just not a good situation for me to be this,

517
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: you know, wild you know, sixteen year old kid. He

518
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: liked music and as a dad, now, I would have

519
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: to think that that season with your father, who was

520
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: very supportive at a time that was hard for everyone.

521
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: I would think, as you get older, this is just

522
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: me as signing my perspective to yours that it's just

523
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: you just respect it and like cherished that so much

524
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: now that you understand it as an adult even more

525
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: even though then you did as well. But now it's

526
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a whole different version of you like loving

527
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: him and I can't put words to it because I don't.

528
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: It's it's so much emotion. I would just cry, it's crazy.

529
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that he reacted the way he did

530
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: and and he suffered great loss, and you know, he

531
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: went on to he moved when I was sent to

532
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: him to California. They started and I was just emancipated

533
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: and living my own life, you know, with my baby

534
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: and my wife. And then years later he told me

535
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: about my granddad and one of the reasons he was

536
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: so loving towards me was, you know, my granddad came

537
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: over from Germany. He was actually Poland, Germany, and he

538
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: was when he was a kid, his dad left. He

539
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic. His dad left, and so my grand

540
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: father's mom I had to give them up for adoption

541
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: for a couple of years just to be able to

542
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: figure out when they came back from Poland. She was here.

543
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Dad left, She couldn't work, she didn't know English hardly

544
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: she had learned English and go get a job. So

545
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: for two years, my granddad wasn't an orphanage with his sisters.

546
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: And he kind of told me that and it made

547
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: more sense to me. It's like, I don't want you

548
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: to be like granted, I don't want this to end

549
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: like that. I want you to you know, it makes

550
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: sense now, like why he was so loving and then

551
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: he's you know, he gets it, is your dad still alive? Yeah, yeah,

552
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: he's Yeah, he lives in Franklin. He was a he's here. Yeah,

553
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: he I moved him. Actually, yeah, we moved him. He retired,

554
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: he broke his back, and then he's had a lot

555
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: on health issues lately, so he was kind of forced

556
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: into retirement. So I found a house and I just

557
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: was like, you guys, come stay. I was gonna have

558
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: to move in with me, and my wife was like,

559
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: you realize, we're never gonna have sex again if they

560
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: move in. So we made alternate arrangements and very quickly,

561
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that because I think it's very

562
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: healthy for somebody's been married for as long as we

563
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: had that we still and do stuff like that. It's

564
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: crazy you and your wife are married for If that's

565
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: the case, how long five years? I got twenty five

566
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: year old daughter, So okay, that's that's I say, that's why.

567
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: But my mom was fifteen when she had you know,

568
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: But when I think back, is that as a kid,

569
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: she wasn't young because she's my mom and she's older.

570
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: But then when I get older, and I'm like, that

571
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: would be like you would have like a twenty year

572
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: old right now? You know, No, I would have the

573
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: same as you're yes, my my wife's thirty one. Son,

574
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: that's it's weird. It's weird. My up. My daughter's boyfriend's thirty.

575
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is messed up. Something like I

576
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: feel wrong. I feel old and young at the same time.

577
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: That's wrong with So you moved here at eighteen, you're

578
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you're you have a baby and a wife. Yes, when

579
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: did you get married? By the way, how old were you? Um,

580
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: we had to sign it off, Like my dad had

581
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: to sign me to get married at seventeen. Okay, so

582
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: when you're right before does he do that is part

583
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: of the emancipation process. When we go to get married,

584
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: he has to be there and literally like so make sure.

585
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: Otherwise it might have been like technically like my wife's

586
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: much older. I mean she's like eight months older. So

587
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: it might have been a little legal trouble, you know

588
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. You're a ten you move here? Why? Why? Yeah? Exactly?

589
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: If I don't know now heard it was, I wouldn't have.

590
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: But I just told her. I was like, we're already

591
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: destut poor. We were looking at houses that were like

592
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: I was working on a plumber company. There was a

593
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: house was like twenty grand and the ghetto and email

594
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if I can

595
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: do this. This is my life. I can see my

596
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: whole life here. This is me. I'll be a plumber.

597
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: I'll make you know, fourteen bucks an hour, and you

598
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: know that'll be our life. But if we go to Nashville,

599
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: at least we maybe we could do something we enjoyed doing.

600
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: That was all that was my I want to do

601
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: something in a musical world that I enjoy doing. What

602
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: were you enjoying doing musical though? And Amarillo like, what

603
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: were you already doing at seventeen where you thought maybe

604
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I could find something I like. I don't know. I mean,

605
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: my my family's really a good like way better than

606
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: me at music stuff. So did you play in church

607
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: or singing church? Yeah? From like five, they would have

608
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: me singing like harmonies and pretty easy. Oh yeah, it

609
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: was super easy for me. Did you play guitar? Piano?

610
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: I played violin because that's what they needed in the

611
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: family band, I think, or something I don't remember. But

612
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: if you can play violent, can't you pretty much play anything. Yeah?

613
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm not good at violin, but I was. I could

614
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: play guitar pretty well, and piano. I was just I

615
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: would always my mom and she was a great pianis

616
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: so I'd fool around on like an old piano she had.

617
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: And did you know that you could make money in

618
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Nashville other than being a singer? Like what did you know?

619
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: At a I just think of me at eighteen, I

620
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: didn't even know a songwriting was a thing. I did

621
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: not know. I just knew that I applied to belmont

622
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: On like this crazy whim and I was like, well,

623
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I can go to college there and then maybe I

624
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: can do something like accounting and behind the scenes in music,

625
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: or like sell t shirts on the road or I

626
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: really didn't know. I didn't know the songwriting was a thing.

627
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I got thought dominary when I

628
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: was a kid. I was like, these guys are geniuses.

629
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: This is all their songs, they're like so good. Yeah,

630
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: and Garth the same one. I didn't realize that was

631
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: that was like a profession at all, and never even

632
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: like when did that happen? Though? Where you did learn

633
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: that was a profession that you're shortly after moving here?

634
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is this could happen. There

635
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: were several people I was like, lucky to be in

636
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: Josh Turner's class early on, and I saw him get

637
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: a record deal when he was like twenty something, you know,

638
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so you and he was

639
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: writing songs with other people, and a lot of people

640
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: were getting publishing deals where they're making like thirty grand

641
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: a year. I was like, this is amazing. But how

642
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: do you even get in a class? So you move here,

643
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, and I know my class. It's we all

644
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: got to the same time doing different things. But Dan

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: Shay before they were Dan and Jay, right, I knew

646
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: those guys and so but there's a whole group of

647
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: us that came in and we were all just like,

648
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: what the heck is, what do we do? What do

649
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: we do? Now? We're in Nashville doing different things, But

650
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: we came at the same time. And that's what I

651
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: really remember about moving here. These other people that it

652
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: just kind of started too. And but I knew what

653
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: I when I got here. I was already an adult,

654
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: but I knew what I was doing. If you're eighteen

655
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: or so and you just moved to town, one do

656
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: you find a house or department? And then where do

657
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: you start? When I was moving here, I was at

658
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: the last minute was not gonna come to Nashville at all.

659
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I was just gonna stay in Texas. And a friend

660
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: of mine who was going to Vanderbilt, which luckily he

661
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: was a friend of here, and he kind of scattered

662
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: this place out. I told him I couldn't afford to

663
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: go to Belmont because I got like, I think I

664
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: had two thousand bucks a year I need or something

665
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: like that. It was a pretty much full scholarship because

666
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I got lucky on when I sa teas and then

667
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I sang for him and they're like, yeah, you were inquired,

668
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: you can. You can have a vocal scholarship. So you know,

669
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I came here and I was like, I can't do it.

670
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I tried. I looked at it. I was looking all

671
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: the figures and I was like, this is crazy. I

672
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: can't do this. So his dad called me and said,

673
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: what do you need. There's a check waiting, Just come

674
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: by and get it. Whatever it is. I don't care

675
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: how much it was. I was and at the time

676
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I was making six bucks an hours, Like it's thousands

677
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: of dollars a year. You don't understand. And he's like,

678
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't care, just come by. And he's the only

679
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: his I'm here. So when I got here, I had

680
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: that one friend, you know, in Vanderbilt world, and then

681
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I quickly it was just immersed in the music classes

682
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I was taking and those classes school. Yes, I thought

683
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: you meant like the class because that was not class.

684
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Are you a literal class? Literally? And you were at

685
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Josh tarn Over thing class with you? He was in

686
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: my vocal seminar. Yeah, there are four people in that

687
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: thing that ended up getting quitting school and getting like,

688
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, publishing deals and whatnot. A couple of Christian

689
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: artists and before the mikescam when you were like, yeah,

690
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: as amazing my classes stuck and got a record deal.

691
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: That was Josh Turner. He did say that, dude, you

692
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: know what, he could make it rumble the seats. There

693
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: was not like a dry seat in the whole room

694
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: at that time. It was just like so amazing his

695
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: big voice. And then I would get up there and

696
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm like a raspy and tinny and so that's how

697
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: you create a music community, literal school. That was for me.

698
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: So you see people doing it, which then she tells

699
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: you that you can do it. Yeah, And then I

700
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: thought it would just be easy I like they gave

701
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: us these opportunities to try out to be on records.

702
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: For I was on a record for Glenn Campbell when

703
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: I was a little kids, like eighteen or nineteen. I

704
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: show up to the studio and I have no idea

705
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: what I'm doing there. There's pizza there, and I was like, oh,

706
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: this is amazing. The little record was like a Christmas

707
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: record and got a Grammy nomination. I'm nineteen. I'm like,

708
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm Grammy nominated. You know, this is the easiest ever.

709
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: But I never got further than that because I was

710
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: working at Sears and working you know, apartment complexes and

711
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: getting fired from jobs, and my wife was running. She

712
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: was throwing drinks down a bar and antioch, and so

713
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: I never was able to expand on that and go

714
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: and like get a publishing deal immediately. So when I

715
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: got out of school, it was I was did one

716
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: internship for Zamba Music and it was about to close down.

717
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: So I just bailed, and I was like, I quit

718
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: for years. Did you want to Did you want to sing? Though?

719
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Because your your voice is so soulful and I'm sure

720
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: that you get compared vocally to a lot of people.

721
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna be I think it's

722
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: a good compliment or an insult. Like when you sing,

723
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: as I've heardasing like Darryl Hall, that that tone, that

724
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: soulfulness that kind of doesn't match, but it does. So

725
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Like I feel that from you a little bit.

726
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: And so because you could do that, is that what

727
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to do? I was very I was honestly

728
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: grateful to even be in Nashville. I didn't care. I

729
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: was never there, never was. In moment, was like, really,

730
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: I want to be a star because I knew that

731
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: I had screwed up so many times in so many

732
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: ways that just to be able to do this, I

733
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm I'm thankful to be

734
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: able to write songs for other people and other people,

735
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: and I've got such anxiety. I can't imagine. I did

736
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: like a Chase rise to or opened up for Chase

737
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: for a whole season, and it was I was mortified

738
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: to go out in front of like five thousand and

739
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: six thousand people every night, but not really humble here. No,

740
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I was like trembling. My hands were just like trembling

741
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: behind and then I would get out and it'd be

742
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: fine and it would go a well, And you know,

743
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time having heard you sing.

744
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: And I hope you think that that Darryl Hall references

745
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: it feels it's amazing. Yeah, having heard you sing and

746
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: like rounds and that you would go out and beat

747
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: and mental health has nothing to do with the reality

748
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: of it. It really don't. I mean it's different, but

749
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: still when you see someone that's so good and they're like, yeah,

750
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm scared to go do what I'm really good at.

751
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: I just wish I had something I was good at

752
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, what, how can you be good

753
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: at it and be scared to do it? And I'm

754
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: over here, I have a Swiss army knife, half doll,

755
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: trying to find anything to do. Where does that anxiety

756
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: come from? What are you an anxious kid? Or? Oh? Yeah?

757
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I was like massly obese as a little kid. I

758
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: was like a hundred fifty pounds in fourth grade. So

759
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: I had these all these struggles that I was just

760
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: like coping with that until I was an adult, and

761
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: then I was you know, I'm still struggling with it

762
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: and trying to keep healthy all the time and working

763
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: out like crazy because my metabolism is just zero. But

764
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: that's not really that. You know what. My first publishing deal,

765
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I turned in ten songs. It took to the record

766
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: labels and all the record labels said no, and a

767
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: lot of them said no because I was twenty five

768
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and I had no hair. I shaved my head, so

769
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, God doesn't want me to do this,

770
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: and I was really it was easy for me to

771
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I'm a songwriter that I was I

772
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: was never meant to be that, and I was pretty

773
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: at peace with that. And every time these things come up,

774
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: like they had a capital. A couple years ago, I

775
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: was like, you should do a record. I would love

776
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: to do a record, and I thought I was joking

777
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: because we're at a bar, and I was like, yeah,

778
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah someday, Yeah, that's great. But I just

779
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: don't know that my soul is meant to do that

780
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: because you think though, if you'd have had and this

781
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: is about the compliment and a question, but again I'm

782
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: gonna say that one final time. You're such a good

783
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: thing or your your vocals are. The texture is a

784
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: little different, it's it's it's awesome if you would have

785
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: gotten a bit of positive feedback, just a bit. I

786
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: probably have done it. Yeah, so a lot of that

787
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: is bay Stan, what you felt the reality was off

788
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: a few do you wish you would have pushed through

789
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: that situation? Looking back? I'm a big fan of like

790
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: the gold you know rush era where they have like

791
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: Parker Snobble up on gold Rush Alaska and that TV

792
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: show and like all the guys from I've read a

793
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: lot about just weird stuff. But like in San Francisco,

794
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: all the people that made all the money, we're not

795
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: the people that were the ones holding the nugget in

796
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: their hand, you know, in the river. They were the

797
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: people that were selling them shovels, and they were the

798
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: people that were there auxiliary um And they weren't digging

799
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: in the dishes. They were home at night, sleeping in

800
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the bed with their beautiful wife and having their families.

801
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: And the other people were out there on the mountain

802
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: digging and and losing sleep and like coming up bloody.

803
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: But they had the nugget. But the other people made

804
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: it possible. I'll do their thing. Yeah, that's I mean,

805
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: that's an awesome analogy because I was like, yeah, that's tupid.

806
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: But now now that makes all the sense in the world.

807
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: So I'm I hope I help people to be stars

808
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: and that's awesome. Do you want to love this? Do

809
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: you want what? You want? To be? Famous? Do you

810
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: answered so quickly again? No, dude, I'm telling you. Only

811
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: way I would be if I could be like Stapleton famous,

812
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: where it's like, do your own thing, not really have

813
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: to fit into this anything. You just kind of whatever

814
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: your soul, follow a sale that you you know, wind blows,

815
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: and do your thing. Yeah, that's cool. But other than that,

816
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: I'd like going to Target and nobody knowing, nobody caring.

817
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: It's fun. So when you play a show, if you're

818
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: playing let's let you're playing writers around and you're playing

819
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: your songs, I mean, are you getting fulfillment from that? Yeah?

820
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's high, is it? To tell? You're about

821
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: as high as it's It's almost as high as writing

822
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: a great song, but it's like right below it. It

823
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: is below it. Yeah, even it's like five thousand people,

824
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. You've convinced me. I didn't believe it

825
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: at first, but you've convinced me. It's good. Dude. It's

826
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: a good life. Oh I'm not disagreeing with you. I

827
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: know what, the songs you've written, the lives you're doing

828
00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, it's all right. Do you have any

829
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: number twos? I have several number twos, I think um

830
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: one of them that heard a little bit was with

831
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: the Chase Rice something was called Gonna Wanta Tonight. And

832
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: I had another song that was on the chart that

833
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: was the strip of down song for Luke Bryan and I.

834
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know how things work behind the scenes, but

835
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: I think had I been smart, like called somebody on

836
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: Luke's camp and be like, I have the next one up,

837
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: but it just sat there and knocked it down. So

838
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: and I've had several that didn't go all the way

839
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: I had, Like, you know, it's a pretty good problem

840
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: to the next one up, dude, It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

841
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I have one right now. I don't know what's gonna

842
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: happen with the Gabby song that I love so much.

843
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna do great, Yeah, it's gonna be great. You

844
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: just never you never know. And I don't really know

845
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: either because I don't really do anything with the programming

846
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: side of it. But our show has such a big

847
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: imprint that I can play something and I can see

848
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: the difference. And also my management is Gabby's management. We're

849
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: like we're I mean, I worked together in American Idol,

850
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: you know. But I hope was that that was a

851
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: you deal that things crazy? Godle that was it was crazy,

852
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: like just from my world. It was crazy twice. And

853
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there are only a few songs that

854
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I ever here the first time and go oh, I

855
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: didn't expect that. That's awesome and it's catchy as crap,

856
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: And that was one of those songs because I was

857
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: just flipping, babe, I was on satellite or on the rate,

858
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hear. I hope, I hope

859
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: he does all this. I hope he did good stuff.

860
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, oh yeah, yeah, good, oh good,

861
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: look Gabby, Gabby forever. Good for her. Good. Let's see

862
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: what this stuff, I hope, And then I hope it cheats. Oh,

863
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: holy crap, I was. I did not expect. That's so

864
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: only one of the few that that's happened where I'm like,

865
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: that is fresh. And so I want to talk about

866
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: this version of the song. Before I talked about it

867
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: going over to pop and what Charlie did to it.

868
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: But who is it? Who? Who would you write that with?

869
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: So it was Gabby, zach Kale and me on like

870
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: the day before Halloween or Halloween. But I had Zach

871
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: was I was trying to get into sign over at

872
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: Sony and I was trying to like somehow big brother

873
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: him and be part of his life and help him

874
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: and advise him. So I had him over and that's

875
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: how I found about Gabby. He was he was at

876
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: church with her or something like singing. He had on

877
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: his phones her singing like a sound check at church,

878
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: and that's how I heard her voice. I didn't hear

879
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: it on American Idol. I was just that he was

880
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: at my house eating dinner and he was like, check

881
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: this Scarlett. She's amazing. And I was like, that is

882
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: a great She's like I thought she was a black girl.

883
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: She had so much soul. I was like, wow, this

884
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: is insane. So I said, let's write with her one afternoon.

885
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: And that was it. That's how it was. That's how

886
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't somebody from like that, because because again my management,

887
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: he went and like got her wreck, gotting chopped at

888
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: like he did the thing. And even when she was

889
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: living in Pittsburgh, Like I was doing a stand up

890
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: show in Pittsburgh and her and her sister and her dad,

891
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: they all came to the show and I was like, Gabby,

892
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: you did you have to move to Nashville? I think

893
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: on this show. I told her that before she moved

894
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: down here. I was like, she was like, I don't

895
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: have to in her like she's in Pittsburgh. But she

896
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: still does that like an effect on her voice, like

897
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't have to move down there, like Luke says.

898
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, I don't have to do you

899
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: have to Gabby? And then she moves down and you

900
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: see a video of all things, and that's how she

901
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: gets in the room with you. Yeah, it's weird. I

902
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: was asking him what artists. I was like, Zach, what

903
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: artists are? Like what do you love? Because I don't

904
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: know if any new stuff that I really am excited about.

905
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: We should just find something you love and and like

906
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: dive in and like really embrace it. And the first

907
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: song we wrote as I Hope and it was me

908
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: and him and Zack's like all right, and She's like

909
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: a dude, you know, he's got kids, and so I'm

910
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: sitting over here and looking like me and you and

911
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: Gabby who's twelve at the time or eight team or something,

912
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, like two old dudes and Gabby, and we're

913
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: like talking, that's right. I will always love you like something.

914
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: She has such an amazing voice. Let's just like, you know,

915
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: acting like she's not in the room, and she's like, boys,

916
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: we're girls. Are not that nice? Can we do like

917
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: not do that much lovey dovey thing? You know? And

918
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: that's how the impetus from the first you know, handful

919
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: of lines that we had, we kept them, and then

920
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: we just flipped it and made it the chorus so

921
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: that we were like, oh, yeah, we're writing all these

922
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: nice things. Let's just keep them nice all the way

923
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: toil the end. And then we just stumbled into it.

924
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: And I hope he cheats, you know, whenever that comes out, whomever,

925
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: do you guys go, oh my god, that's it, or

926
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: do you go I don't know. It's so weird, it's

927
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: so different, you knew. I was so like, I was like,

928
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I know in my gut the girls will scream this

929
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: at the top of their lungs and like throw their

930
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: water bottles out the window. They're so mad at an X.

931
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: I was like so, and I was I just saw it.

932
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: I never know. I didn't know about whatever she's got.

933
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't know any any of the other half other songs.

934
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know about We Were Us or any of

935
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: those other songs. Like when they were done, I wasn't like,

936
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: this is it, but that one we got done and

937
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: we're like the Sony Rider rooms. There was like a

938
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: pool table, were like hanging out by the pool table afterwards,

939
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and and Za I was like, this is pretty good,

940
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: and Gabby was like I know. I was like, no,

941
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: this one's like, this is not pretty good. This is

942
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: like one of the best songs I've ever written. I'm

943
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: telling you this. I don't know how I know. I

944
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: just felt it. And they were laughing and like I

945
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm not joking because I just had

946
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: gotten a number one for Breakup in the end, like

947
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: right when we wrote this, and so they were they

948
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: were like yeah, I'm sure whatever. And then I was

949
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: behind the scenes like calling everybody. I called Ross Copperman,

950
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: I called everybody Tom Lord, just don't let this one die.

951
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: Don't like let it fizzle and go away and you know,

952
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: so I was right, but it wasn't like really you

953
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: never know. I really didn't know, but I just my

954
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: gut was like screaming at me. You'd better say something.

955
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: It just felt different. It felt yeah. And so Tom Lords,

956
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: my manager, oh got so so he has Gabby and

957
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I remember I just hearing it and I was like wow.

958
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: So I texted him and I was like, yo, because

959
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with picking songs for the

960
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: most part, I'm like, yo, that like that's it. It's brutal,

961
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's gonna happen. That's it. That's song,

962
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Like that's it. And he was like, I hope you know.

963
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: And then he's so funny. I hope. Yeah. He's like

964
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: like you never know, I hope. And so the song

965
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: you gotta give him credit. He ran up the flagpole

966
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: with that thing. He ran up the flagpole with her

967
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: and then ran up with it, and I was like, dude,

968
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: you're forgetting about me, Like, let's chill out. You know,

969
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm in the coast Rica here, man, come come down

970
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: and visit me on set or something. Um. So, then

971
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: I hear the Charlie Pooth version, and all I remember

972
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: thinking is I heard like like a run at the beginning.

973
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that's not in this song. And

974
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: so I hear it, I'm like, okay. So I asked

975
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: somebody I don't know who told me this, and you

976
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: can tell me if it's true or false. I believe

977
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: it's true even if you say false. And I'm I'm

978
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: supposed to know if I share this. I don't have

979
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: a filter, so I'll tell you the truth. Yeah. And

980
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: and this could be partially off or maybe this story

981
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: has been discussed in public, but from what I know,

982
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Charlie just message Abbey and I was like, Hey, that

983
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: sounds awesome. Can you send me like some of the

984
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: stems that was it? Yeah? And then she they she did,

985
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: but didn't really know what was And then he just

986
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: sent it back and was like I did this. She

987
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: asked Zack and uh, and I was like, should I

988
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: do this? And we said it's Charlie Pooth. Yes, I mean, yes,

989
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: amazing it stems. Uh, let me like all the tracks

990
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: behind the musical. And what's funny about that song is

991
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: those stems ended up being what um Zack and a

992
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: couple of our buddies did that day for the demo,

993
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: they just a lot of those just got passed over,

994
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: and Wrath Like Ross took those and added bass and

995
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: drums and stuff like it. Her vocal from that record

996
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: was the demo vocal. It was literally one or two

997
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: takes of that demo, that's how good she was on

998
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: that day. And I didn't really realize how powerful her

999
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: voice was because I had to go trick or treating

1000
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: with my little man, so I didn't hear the whole

1001
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: vocal until I just got it, you know, and I

1002
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, this is insane. So when

1003
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: you get the Charlie version, it's crazy. I didn't even

1004
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: know if it made sense at first. I was like,

1005
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: does this make sense? This is amazing. I'm in and

1006
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: did you wonder if you because I get it, You're like,

1007
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: does this make sense? Though? I love it so much

1008
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: because it's sounds good, but does it also still make sense? Yeah,

1009
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: as as the story, so that again, it's it like

1010
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: was allowed to breathe a new, bigger life because it

1011
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: became a monster pop song too, and you guys didn't

1012
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: have anything again. He just sent it back right, was like, Hey,

1013
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: this is it. I hope you like it. Yes, And

1014
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: what's crazy in those situations like Nashville is a different

1015
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: place for the artist if if they change a line,

1016
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: if they do stuff to the song, they're very kind

1017
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: about it. Typically they know the writers don't have any

1018
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: touring income and they're you know, our life is whatever

1019
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: the song is. And a lot of times in l

1020
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: A that's different, they will they will take a large

1021
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: portion of the song. Um and I fully expected a

1022
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: name like that who just had up a huge couple

1023
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: number one worldwide number ones to take a big part.

1024
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: He was so completely fair and like what he asked

1025
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: for on the song that I was like shocked. I

1026
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: was shocked, and I said that, yeah, that's great, no question,

1027
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: don't even negotiate, do it because he's adding so much

1028
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: interest to it that it makes it so fun for

1029
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: me to be part of. You know, I think we

1030
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: all grew up listening to the country and pop and

1031
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: like hip hop and everything. So it didn't really like

1032
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: rubbed me wrong to have him on there. It was awesome.

1033
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, another another cool like avenue for

1034
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: this song, but I never felt weird about it because

1035
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: it's cool. Gabby also could do both while not losing

1036
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: her integrity because she naturally is that, but she sings

1037
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: and so that I guess I never even thought about

1038
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: that because there are some songs. You know, whenever uh,

1039
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: George Jones put Snoop Dog on a record. Now, I'm

1040
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: just saying that to not not really is that a record? No,

1041
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: not really to point you figering anybody, but when somebody

1042
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: really and then they put on a hip hop artist

1043
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense. You're like, I get what

1044
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: you're where you're trying to go, but it doesn't really work.

1045
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: But with Gabby that works because you her integrity is

1046
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: she could kind of straddle that line like carry and

1047
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: not to not to compare them because of both blonde,

1048
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: big singers, but Carrie could do the same thing and

1049
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: did the same thing for so long that we believed it,

1050
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: and she did pop in country because it was true

1051
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: and it makes her audience, you know, maybe it pulls

1052
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: a lot of her audience into that world that But

1053
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I think more than anything, people discovered Gabby because oh Charlie,

1054
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: I know, Charlie, what's Gabby? Okay? Oh wow, this is amazing.

1055
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: So I think it helps help both of them. Honestly,

1056
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: you know what song I like, is you got the

1057
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Moji whatever? David, Yeah, whatever She's Got right, that's what's on.

1058
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: That's a really good song. It was fun. That was

1059
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: a that's a long time ago. Yeah, like nine eight

1060
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: or nine ten years ago? Even was was that one

1061
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: of your first number ones? That was like maybe there

1062
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: was a second number one. But we wrote it first.

1063
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: We wrote it like it was before I had um

1064
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: but on back for Dirks and then I had like

1065
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: a song really like earlier called Glass for Thompson Square.

1066
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: But Whatever She's Got was the one wherever. But it

1067
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: was like okay, Like Luke called me and it was like,

1068
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: can you want to write I like this daven Neil song.

1069
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Gonna write some songs. You know, people are other artists

1070
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: heard it. Yes, it opened my every door opened from

1071
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: that song, all the Keith stuff. You know. It was

1072
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: partially because of that. Keith actually was going to cut

1073
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: that song and I think he put a vocal on

1074
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: that song, but then it just didn't feel like his

1075
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: project he was doing at the time, and they were

1076
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: all working together in the same and David na was

1077
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: on the same record label. And thank god, David cut

1078
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: it and sings higher than anyone ever hear that song. Yeah,

1079
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: it feels like brand new. It's crazy. Uh, when you're

1080
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: talking about Keith, I just want to talk about choruses.

1081
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: But I want to a couple of the key. Well,

1082
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: the one for sure is the the times Possible Miranda Keith,

1083
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: the Randy we were us, Yeah, were straight melody here

1084
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: yea or lack of melody for menut I'm nailing I'm

1085
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: nailing it. What's what's the key in your mind to

1086
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: a chorus working melodically, because there, you guys, there's some

1087
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: strong ones. It just depends like most of it is

1088
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: like what moode I'm in that day, but I'm always

1089
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: That song was all about the feeling and up tempo.

1090
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: And we tried to write that song in the morning

1091
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: with Thomas, Rhett, Me and Jimmy like played him a

1092
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: little thing which is two lines from that chorus and

1093
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: he was having like his to day was not going well.

1094
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: He got a call from his label. He was like,

1095
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: hell hillacious. So we wrote a different song or half

1096
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: of a different song that day. We were like four

1097
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: half songs and then he's like, I gotta go. So

1098
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: in the afternoon Nicole came in and we wrote that

1099
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: little chorus to finished that out and she's like, well,

1100
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: I would love to do this as a duet. I've

1101
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: had people asking for duets, and so a lot of

1102
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: it was Nicole and I come from a similar background.

1103
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: She's like from the middle of nowhere. I'm from the

1104
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. So we're just like, let's talk about

1105
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: our towns, but not put anything in between them. And

1106
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: so that melody, I think is almost a non melody.

1107
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: It's like a couple of notes. They are just so

1108
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: in that the tension of the pulling on the different

1109
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about tension for me. The chords

1110
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: major and then they'll be a little bit of tension

1111
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: because they'll be one that's right out of the court

1112
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: and pulls back down the whole time, and that kind

1113
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: of like mentally feels like catchy. Um. And then there's

1114
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: melodies like uh, you know, break up in the end.

1115
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: That course melody is very high and very like start

1116
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: slow and goes crazy high, you know. And I I've

1117
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: always liked like Somewhere over the Rainbow and songs with

1118
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: actual crazy melodies, um, but those are not in our

1119
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: genre all that as common because it's so lyrically heavy

1120
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: and lyrically driven. You can't fit as many lyrics and

1121
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: those kind of melodies a lot of times. So you

1122
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: write melody not all the time university, But would you

1123
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: prefer to or does it come to your melody first

1124
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: or lyrics first? Just those two will keep story just

1125
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: melody or lyrics first first. Um, yes, yes, no, I

1126
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: think most of the time it's it's uh, it's lyric form, ma'am.

1127
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm very much. Do you keep lyrics in your phone? Yeah?

1128
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like never ending all day. It's annoying. Actually,

1129
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: every movie, every single TV show, every time I talk

1130
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: to anybody. It's just like a annoying habit sponge. My

1131
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: parents think that I'm like a jerk sometimes because I'll

1132
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: be on my phone and I'll be literally like writing

1133
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: down things they've said, and like, you should probably get

1134
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: off your phone sometime I'm working. I do that too.

1135
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: It I'm just on Twitter and tell my wife I'm

1136
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: writing songs. It's exactly. Yeah, you actually look at electric cars, no,

1137
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: you mentioned to just talking to people that I really

1138
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: think are good and admire professionally also and with a

1139
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: bit socially. Is Nicole Galleon, Ross Copperman both and have

1140
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: you worked with both of them a lot? Yes? They

1141
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: were very early on with like like you have your buddies,

1142
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: your class. Then and Shaw you know that's my first,

1143
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: one of my first co writes after getting a deal

1144
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: with Nicole um and she was like, I don't even

1145
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: know if I can do this, and she was an

1146
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: assistance of some manager. And you know, we've known each

1147
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: other a long time. And then Ross maybe the third

1148
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: or fourth co write in town. You know that he

1149
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: was in town. I was years before that. But do

1150
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: you guys still right together? Yes, all the time. Really, Yeah.

1151
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: I wrote with Ross and Brett Young yesterday and Nicole

1152
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: and I wrote, you know, probably once a month. You know.

1153
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: So I've never actually revealed this, but I can, and

1154
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: this won't be the I mean, who cares, so so

1155
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: you may with Ross from kid it was just Ross, yeah,

1156
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: not Nicole. Oh yeah, it was a good one. That

1157
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: So this is where you came up in my life

1158
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: and it probably never got to you but a few

1159
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: years ago, maybe four because the pandemics kind of yeah,

1160
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: we shaped we the duck two years from life. Yeah,

1161
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: it's tough, but maybe four years ago, I was talking

1162
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: with Ross and I said, hey, I have this idea.

1163
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: I was watching the news. I was watching like sixty

1164
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: minutes and one of those news type shows that goes

1165
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: on and in Japan they have this hologram that was

1166
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: a pop star. Huh and like a dead pop star Nope,

1167
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: created she never existed, but it was a hologram of

1168
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: a character that was also a pop star. Perfect and

1169
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: she was selling tickets to these shows. And so I

1170
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: go to Ross and I say, hey, man, I watched

1171
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: this story. Why could we not do this, But here's

1172
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: ten openers on ten different tours. It's a hologram like

1173
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: h So to him, like as a kind of a

1174
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: business idea, I say, and there's a hologram. Now, I say,

1175
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: this business model doesn't cost much to do. I mean,

1176
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea to make a hologram. It can

1177
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: be a cartoon. In my mind, it doesn't matter. We

1178
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: can have this fictional cartoon, not real human. We can

1179
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: have it have a hit, but we can send it

1180
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: on towards ten people at the same time as the

1181
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: baby act, and you just need to come people to

1182
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: run it all good And he's whomever at the time

1183
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like let's and Ross' is like,

1184
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: oh you know, Ross. Oh, I'm like, it's like a

1185
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: money machine. Pull the handle. And Ross said, oh, what

1186
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: do we do? And I'm well, let me have some

1187
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: time on this. And I'm just thinking, how do we

1188
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: make this work? And I go, okay, well if we

1189
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: have some songs, I know the people that can do

1190
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: the visuals. But somehow we've got to make the product

1191
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: really good. To make everything else work. The songs you

1192
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: have to have hits. It's like anything. If you don't

1193
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: have the song, you have digitally, gotta have the song.

1194
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: Got So I say to Ross, let's just go let's

1195
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: just write some songs and not say anything about it,

1196
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: and we'll create this this group. But they'll never know

1197
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: our identity. Terrible, terrible. And he's like oh yeah. And

1198
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: so I said, who do we Who should we do

1199
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: this with? And he says, okay, I got a couple

1200
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: of ideas and he says Nicole and you, oh yeah,

1201
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: because because he he just loved he loved loved what

1202
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: loved you, love what you did. And he was like, well,

1203
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do it with a big group because somebody

1204
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: will tell because we all sign India's and he goes,

1205
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: we need a girl. He goes and they're both excellent. Awesome.

1206
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: He goes, let's talk to Nicole Andy, but we bring

1207
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: John if Nicole wants to do it or doesn't. We

1208
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: we hadn't never planned. So we called Nicole, called her

1209
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: first two and she's like, I'm in. So we spent months.

1210
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: No way, this is not real, this really happened. This

1211
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: is we didn't talk about. I've never revealed. This is

1212
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: amazing and Nicole. I took Nicole to perform once. I

1213
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: was hosting the Today Show for a week and so

1214
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: I took her up to perform on the show. I

1215
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: was like, come up and perform. Then let me bring

1216
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: in whoever I want. And so I said, hey, I'm

1217
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna bring up the Neon people. Stuff that's called Neon people.

1218
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never said that. It feels like

1219
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying a bad word. I think I heard this

1220
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: in the backwoods of Alabama driving down to the beach

1221
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: one time. You probably did. And I texted her and

1222
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: she denied it was her. We couldn't we couldn't say

1223
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: anything about it. I was like, I know you this

1224
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: is you. I heard it. Me and my wife were

1225
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: jamming it loud people. We wrote these songs and we

1226
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: were just about too and I remember we were just

1227
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: about to call you too. We've written like three or

1228
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: four and cut them. And then Nicole got the running

1229
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: that label and she was like, I can't do this

1230
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: in more and we're like no, we just spent all

1231
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: these months writing all these songs. We would go to

1232
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: Ross's house. Now you know what it's like to be

1233
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: a songwriter. Oh my god, I spent months and you

1234
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: have no hit. It's like, it's great. We recorded, We

1235
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: put them out there on their on streaming services Spotify,

1236
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: the hundred thousands of listen, but you Yeah. My point

1237
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: is I'm so close with and neither one of them

1238
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: has ever told me. I've never said anything about it.

1239
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: I spent hours across from him on a weekly basis,

1240
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: and no one's ever seen anything that's on. That's a

1241
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: good end. So and we just wanted it the integrity

1242
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: of it. We wanted it to nobody to know because

1243
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to put out these songs that were super positive.

1244
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: You like, well, I'm gonna show you. I'm pulling it

1245
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: up here. So it was Neon PPL. We we had

1246
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing and so I guess they've changed the

1247
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: background on it. But well there's no hologram here. But

1248
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: that was that was the deal. Like one Little Town's

1249
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: got three forty thousand views, and it was all to

1250
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: be anonymous and put out positive then create, they create

1251
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: the hologram, make much money, right So but yeah, that's

1252
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: where you came up, dude. That's my kind of artistry

1253
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: right there. We didn't anybody know it was us. I

1254
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: could still raise my babies, you know, I cannot have

1255
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: to get on but but it was. But it was you.

1256
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: You were almost in this failed venture. Thank you for

1257
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: saving me three months of my life writing songs that

1258
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: no one heard. That's amazed. But you people heard those

1259
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: for that one. Yeah, but if you're heard Nicole singing

1260
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: on something, that was it. I texted her. She she

1261
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: blatantly non lied, but she didn't really acknowledge it. She

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Speaker 1: would not say that. It was hurt and we crazy.

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Speaker 1: We did it and we are not selling holograms anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But it was a fun experiment. Well I'm glad. I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I like going to a show and then somebody like

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Speaker 1: messing up and like it feels real. We can have

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Speaker 1: the hologram mess up too. That was part of the plan,

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Speaker 1: like the wrong chord. I'm sorry. It would be cool

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Speaker 1: if the pogram just falls off the stage and all

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Speaker 1: of it. That. Look, you're extremely successful in many ways.

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Speaker 1: You're inspiring, but not quite on the Neon people train.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can still write some songs for us.

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Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in. Um you guys follow Ja night

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Speaker 1: Rider j N I t E Writer on Instagram. Um.

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Speaker 1: In the intro we did for you, we talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot of your songs. So that's all there and

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Speaker 1: right now that your other Gabby songs on the chart

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Speaker 1: we talked about a minute ago and and I told

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Speaker 1: you I feel good about it. So I asked that,

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Speaker 1: are you in the Gabby camp now? I think so? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like who she trusts and when it's like we need

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Speaker 1: to focus with people that I believe in, she calls you.

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Speaker 1: She definitely is like very thankful that we were kind

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Speaker 1: of believers and you know early and you know, she

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Speaker 1: asked me about getting married early. Know, like stuff like

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Speaker 1: that you would ask you know, an uncle or a boddy.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome man, she's sweet. Well, I've really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this. I would have enjoyed it more if we'd

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Speaker 1: been in Neon People together. But it is one. It is,

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Speaker 1: it's ever too late. It's you know, it is it is.

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Speaker 1: There are no rules. It's like pop it's there are

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Speaker 1: no rules. It's open. Uh, dude, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on everything. Thanks for inspiring everybody. Oh I didn't

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Speaker 1: do the same. Same for you, man, It's really cool

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Speaker 1: to have you up here. And you know, I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you that's a pretty cool looking pet shot

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Speaker 1: you have there. I took it on an iPhone. You did, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do photography? Oh alright, no mine? Alright, John night, everybody,

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Speaker 1: thank you.