Speaker 1: Hey, what's up. How you doing? Uh? You know, it's
Speaker 1: Ernie's for you on a nerd fam. Yeah, what's up,
Speaker 1: nerd fam? Are you doing? Uh? You know right now,
Speaker 1: Danny's on the beach with her toes, you know, tinkling
Speaker 1: up in the sand, and I'm probably driving to my
Speaker 1: dad's house. And it's what that means is it's Christmas time.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna drop a couple of our favorite clips
Speaker 1: from a couple of our favorite episodes so you can
Speaker 1: enjoy them. I think back on the good times before
Speaker 1: for the holidays, when we were Akupato and Danny was
Speaker 1: living life lavish on the Bahamas somewhere. I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where you were going with the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, enjoy the US clips. They're gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the history Deep Deep. We still don't
Speaker 1: have our sound, I know, I look, I just like
Speaker 1: repeating deep Dive. We'll just clip that for next time.
Speaker 1: The earliest it looks like known table top game was
Speaker 1: a series of forty nine small carved painted stones that
Speaker 1: were actually found at the five thousand year old I
Speaker 1: think this is by Burial Mound in southeast Turkey. Um
Speaker 1: and those are the earliest gaming pieces ever found. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and similar pieces have been found in Syria and Iraq
Speaker 1: and seem to point to a board games originating in
Speaker 1: the Fertile Crescent and other early origin Dice games were
Speaker 1: created by painting a single side of a flat stick.
Speaker 1: These sticks would be tossed in unison in the amount
Speaker 1: of painted side showing would be your role Mesopotamian ice
Speaker 1: were made from a variation of materials including carved knuckle bones,
Speaker 1: would painted stones, and turtleshell. You know what this kind
Speaker 1: of adjacent to this reminds me of cornhole? Do you
Speaker 1: know the history? Of course this is according at least
Speaker 1: to my ex whom religiously so he's from He's from Ohio,
Speaker 1: which that when dating him, I was exposed to cornhole.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I grew up in southern California. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a big thing or not. Um,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't aware of it. And then they would,
Speaker 1: like literally the kids in his town would make their
Speaker 1: own corn holes and paint them. That sounds so bad.
Speaker 1: So if you don't know what cornhole is, it's like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like a flat surface, um ramp that has a
Speaker 1: hole in it that you then toss bean bags into.
Speaker 1: And what my ex told me was that the history
Speaker 1: of it is that they used to throw corn cobs
Speaker 1: into our houses. I don't know, we might need our
Speaker 1: researcher to look into that, but that's the history of
Speaker 1: I like that history, though, I think I think I'm
Speaker 1: down with the corn cob and to an out. Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: I learned cornhole from the white improv community that I'm
Speaker 1: a part of out here that showed up at parties
Speaker 1: and because yeah, growing I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: growing up in something so cow, our big thing was like,
Speaker 1: uh no, I was gonna beer pong. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the big like party game I'm aware of. But cornhole
Speaker 1: seems way more chill, like a backyard barbecue, through a
Speaker 1: little sack into a hole, through a corn cob into
Speaker 1: a toilet bowl. Okay, but let's jump down this timeline.
Speaker 1: So thanks for our researchers, we have a brief time
Speaker 1: line of game history, and it starts in b C
Speaker 1: E with SENA. It's s an an et, which is
Speaker 1: either senate or sane. I'm fancy, so I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: it sane. It's discovered in the Pre Dynastic and First
Speaker 1: Dynasty burials of Egypt. Senate is believed to be the
Speaker 1: world's oldest board game, meaning game of passing. Seney consisted
Speaker 1: of a grid of thirty squares arranged in three rows
Speaker 1: of tin and two sets of ponds, though the exact
Speaker 1: rules are the source of much debate. A copy of
Speaker 1: the game was found buried with Tuton Common which is
Speaker 1: funny because I feel like that's tabletop to a t
Speaker 1: which is arguing over what the rules actually are. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of things buried with him, yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all of his animals and I think like friends. Also
Speaker 1: that thing you always keep that Yeah, okay, So moving
Speaker 1: on the fourteen hundred b C. We see dice. Actually so,
Speaker 1: Sophocles claimed that Palamedes invented dice in about four b C,
Speaker 1: and sure enough they found cubicle stones and clay dice
Speaker 1: during that period. But in truth, it's possible that dice
Speaker 1: were actually developed independently by many ancient cultures around the world.
Speaker 1: I believe that. Did you know that alcohol was also
Speaker 1: developed independently around major cultures? I took a history of
Speaker 1: this was in my deep weep phase. When I was
Speaker 1: in community college, but I took it was Japanese, but
Speaker 1: I also took like the history of Japan, and they
Speaker 1: were talking about how Korean in Japan and almost every
Speaker 1: country you found alcohol on their own. So there had
Speaker 1: to be that one weird guy and every culture who
Speaker 1: was like, let's taste this rotten juice. It might also
Speaker 1: be I mean, I'm sure someone will correct us, but
Speaker 1: I imagine also it's just like their limited resources, where
Speaker 1: like if something did go wrong or it was like fermented,
Speaker 1: it was like, we don't have the resources to just
Speaker 1: throw this away. You know that sounds like a very
Speaker 1: educated guest. And then and then eventually what ended up
Speaker 1: happening was that the water supply was so bad that
Speaker 1: they just ended up having to drink alcohol, which is
Speaker 1: something we should cover. We should cover nerds getting drunk. Well, well,
Speaker 1: we should definitely cover um the science behind not even that.
Speaker 1: But remember when everybody was making their own beer like
Speaker 1: like that still I mean still yeah, people real nerds
Speaker 1: about that, Like it was like, oh man, I made
Speaker 1: my own beer micro brewing. Well, let's dip over to
Speaker 1: for a game that sounds kind of familiar. Snakes and Ladders,
Speaker 1: I love it. I wish they had kept that name.
Speaker 1: Snakes and Ladders originated in India as a game based
Speaker 1: on morality, where the progression up the board was to
Speaker 1: teach children about good and evil, with climbing up ladders
Speaker 1: representing good and sliding down snakes representing evil. During the
Speaker 1: British rule of India, the game made its way back
Speaker 1: to the Assures and it was taken the US as
Speaker 1: Shoots and Ladders in ninety three by Milton Bradley. Should
Speaker 1: have been snakes. That's gentrification one on one right there,
Speaker 1: like all right, I'm gonna take the snakes out, We're
Speaker 1: gonna add some shoots. We're gonna move on to the
Speaker 1: first board game, Millionaire. This is one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating stories that we encountered coming across this topic. In
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, we got Monopoly and a lot of
Speaker 1: people wrongly credit Charles Darrow as being the soul designer,
Speaker 1: And what actually happened is Charles and his wife Esther
Speaker 1: actually went in nineteen thirty two to the home of
Speaker 1: his friend, who was a Philadelphia businessman named Charles Todd
Speaker 1: and his wife Olive. So he went over to their
Speaker 1: place and they played a real estate board game that
Speaker 1: they had recently learned, and they became fascinated by it,
Speaker 1: and Charles Todd his friend made the Daros a set
Speaker 1: of their own, and then the other Charles, so many
Speaker 1: Charles in this. Okay, so Charles Darrow, listen this because
Speaker 1: this is where the sneak that sounds like a character
Speaker 1: from Downton Abbey. By the way, Charles d Charles, Charles Daru,
Speaker 1: and I've made some board games for you. A Todd,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, on paper sounds hello, whack uh. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, on paper sounds really whack. Like
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, you guys wanna play a real
Speaker 1: estate board game? I'm like, na, son, let's bring out
Speaker 1: the magic the gathering. Why are you bringing this trade?
Speaker 1: Win was prohibition? Let me see if they were bored?
Speaker 1: Very good question. Right. We want to go and tell
Speaker 1: you the best selling Nintendo games of all time, which
Speaker 1: nice shock people. Yeah, it shocked me for sure. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all, you know, a few seconds
Speaker 1: to yeah, yeah, to brace yourself to think what you
Speaker 1: think it is. Yeah, we'll do the top ten and
Speaker 1: we'll start from ten, and we'll work our way up,
Speaker 1: so let's get it started. Number ten, which I'm real
Speaker 1: proud about because I've been talking about this game starting
Speaker 1: now is Duck Hut, which is twenty eight million, which
Speaker 1: I don't know if that really counts since it came
Speaker 1: with the system, but you know, i'm gonna give it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it the crown. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. So
Speaker 1: number nine is we Play super Popular y point oh
Speaker 1: two million, just just barely edging out Ducats. And number
Speaker 1: eight is Tetris for the Game Boys, speaking of which
Speaker 1: yet million. Okay, so number seven new Super Mario Bros.
Speaker 1: On the Wei. Yeah, I'm fascinated by how many of
Speaker 1: these are we related. So that's thirty point eleven million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the New Super Mario Bros. Which was the
Speaker 1: same game but on the DS. Uh or I wonder
Speaker 1: if it was the other way around. I think it was.
Speaker 1: It came out on the d S and then they
Speaker 1: made it for the Wei. We'll look into that, but
Speaker 1: that was thirty point eighty million. Pokemon Red Green Blue
Speaker 1: for Game Boy, thirty one point thirty eight million, We
Speaker 1: Spicy Diety, and then uh We Sports Resort thirty three
Speaker 1: point zero six the We Sport really is like, how
Speaker 1: is this now? Picture in your head every Nintendo game
Speaker 1: that you know, and We Sports Resort beat it, well,
Speaker 1: at least most of them. It's at number four. Number three.
Speaker 1: Of course we have Mario Kart. This was Mario Kart
Speaker 1: we specifically, so thirty seven point two million. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: I guess with the popularity of the Wei and game
Speaker 1: like kind of where we're at now that the majority
Speaker 1: of these are for WE. But I still find that
Speaker 1: really fascinating. And number two is Super Mario Bros. For
Speaker 1: the NES and g B A forty two point fifty
Speaker 1: one million. Okay, brace yourself. Number one. Who what would
Speaker 1: you have thought number one would be the number one
Speaker 1: selling I would have thought Pokemon. But Pokemon is pretty
Speaker 1: high up there there in the top five at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I guess for some reason, I thought it
Speaker 1: would be Super Mario Bros. Um well, it was. It
Speaker 1: was until this game came out. It was number one
Speaker 1: until this game came out. This game being We Sports God, yep,
Speaker 1: the thing that you pull out after every Thanksgiving when
Speaker 1: your family and that's my family, when like uncle's passed
Speaker 1: out asleep and who's going to break out the WE Sports.
Speaker 1: I know it's surprising, but not surprising because I feel
Speaker 1: like WE Sports is the one game that across the board,
Speaker 1: whether you're a gamer or not, everyone is aware of.
Speaker 1: Everyone has seen the video someone playing tennis or someone
Speaker 1: doing the golf. I feel like those videos going viral
Speaker 1: like many of them did, has just made people flocked
Speaker 1: to we'se. I can't believe that Super Smash Brothers didn't
Speaker 1: even like get Super Smash Brothers number ye yeah, yeah, god,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I mean I just played that religiously in
Speaker 1: Super Mario sixty four is all the way down at
Speaker 1: number forty. That was my favorite game growing up. It's
Speaker 1: just really knocked this back down to PEG. But that
Speaker 1: is something that's very interesting. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the WEE a bit and the Wei. I feel like
Speaker 1: inside like gamer culture shook the gaming set guys, because
Speaker 1: you had the WE kind of dropped around the time
Speaker 1: the PS three and the Xbox three sixty came, so
Speaker 1: everyone was waiting for Nintendo's next gen console. So someone
Speaker 1: thought that they were going to compete with something that
Speaker 1: is that has like ten a D p h D graphics,
Speaker 1: very powerful new controller, and they came out with this
Speaker 1: WE console that was used a remote emotion. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it was very it was extremely interactive. What it
Speaker 1: was was approachable for a lot of people. I feel
Speaker 1: like when people see controllers, they're like what, but everyone
Speaker 1: uses a remote, So I think that made it approachable
Speaker 1: for just the general kind of you know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where I think, like, I can't
Speaker 1: remember in the commercials if they did this, but it's
Speaker 1: it's people of all ages essentially, Like you could give
Speaker 1: your grandma a WE remote and she can just use
Speaker 1: her body like she can swing, you know, the golf
Speaker 1: club or bowl. I was really great at bowling. And
Speaker 1: so I agree, like you said, if it's it's you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry necessarily too much about a lot
Speaker 1: of the buttons. Uh, it's you know, largely based on
Speaker 1: your body movement for a lot of things. So I
Speaker 1: did think, and it's and it's interactive, it's like a
Speaker 1: family you know, a lot of the WE games are
Speaker 1: encouraging for others to play kind of as a group.
Speaker 1: So and and I think you had it right in
Speaker 1: what she said is a family console. It was a
Speaker 1: big deal where they finally came around and had an
Speaker 1: imerated game. The the WE typically tried to be just
Speaker 1: fun for all, and they tried to steer more towards
Speaker 1: family friendly game, which a lot of people thought that
Speaker 1: was a bad move, but an the end, I think
Speaker 1: it was a good move because you have these two
Speaker 1: giant uh consoles compete with each other, the Xbox and PlayStation,
Speaker 1: and they were coming out neck to neck with exclusives,
Speaker 1: shooter games, action got of war, violent games, and then
Speaker 1: you have this like fun console that you can bring
Speaker 1: out in the whole family wants to play. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where they capitalize. And you know, the WU
Speaker 1: wasn't very successful because I feel like it it just
Speaker 1: kind of one I don't think personally it was that
Speaker 1: much of an advancement. It was literally just a better
Speaker 1: version of the Wei, which you can say what you
Speaker 1: will about them doing that, but that's basically what the
Speaker 1: Xbox one X in the PlayStation four pro is at
Speaker 1: this point. But then they made the Switch, which was
Speaker 1: another innovative game on SOL where it was it can
Speaker 1: be both portable and a console game you can play
Speaker 1: at home. So it seems like that's always been Nintendo's
Speaker 1: kind of drive is to find innovative ways to play
Speaker 1: versus trying to just be the best at what the
Speaker 1: current status quo is. Yeah, and I know that we
Speaker 1: skipped forward to WE, but I just wanted to mention
Speaker 1: the gaming systems that came before that. So we talked
Speaker 1: about the NES. So the difference with that was that
Speaker 1: it was an eight bit system. Yeah, um, and so
Speaker 1: that was then they upgraded to sixteen bit and that
Speaker 1: was in one with the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. I
Speaker 1: think I remember having that one as well. And then
Speaker 1: my favorite and if you're a nineties kid, I mean
Speaker 1: this was our home base. Nintendo sixty four greatly improved
Speaker 1: three D graphics and new controller at the modern joystick.
Speaker 1: We have to do an entire episode on and sixty four.
Speaker 1: I mean we'll probably do an entire episode on most
Speaker 1: of these. But that came out, and then we of GameCube.
Speaker 1: I remember GameCube in two thousand and one, so that
Speaker 1: also had enhanced graphics, new controller. Um. The games came
Speaker 1: on a mini disc and it was Nintendo's first home
Speaker 1: console to use solely disc format for their games. And
Speaker 1: it was also the first and only Nintendo system to
Speaker 1: require additional memory cards in order to save Do you
Speaker 1: remember that? Oh man? Uh? And then they had the
Speaker 1: Panasonic Cue, which was kind of like a hybrid version
Speaker 1: of Nintendo GameCube that was in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: but that could also that kind of change things because
Speaker 1: it could also play DVDs, audio CDs, MP three's and CDs.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to catch up. I feel like
Speaker 1: they were trying to also do like what PlayStation was doing.
Speaker 1: And then we have the Wei in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: so the newer black, red, and blue models were dubbed
Speaker 1: the Wee Family editions, so they were really capitalizing on
Speaker 1: the family market. We had the WE Mini, which was
Speaker 1: a smaller version of the WE console that was we
Speaker 1: had we you Yeah, we had so many Wee's which
Speaker 1: was like a game pad with a touch screen built
Speaker 1: into it, and that was also in We had the
Speaker 1: NES Classic edition totally did you get that iffy? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't do you play anybody's No. I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to fight the crowd crowds, oh man. So if y'all
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean just totally capitalizing on our nostalgia
Speaker 1: at this time. The NES Classic was a mini console
Speaker 1: that was basically bringing back all your childhood of playing
Speaker 1: a NES. It included thirty classic n S games, but
Speaker 1: was also compatible with the we uh controller a week
Speaker 1: classic controller. So and then we have the Nintendo Switch,
Speaker 1: which do you have one of those? Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nintendo Switch, um, and that was in seventeen. It
Speaker 1: was kind of like a hybrid of a lot of
Speaker 1: the of the home and the portable gaming of their
Speaker 1: consoles and uh. And then we also have the Supernintendo
Speaker 1: Entertainment System Classic Edition or SNS Mini, and that was yeah.
Speaker 1: So so they've they've dropped quite a few bangers, and
Speaker 1: the Switch is doing well. It had a great year.
Speaker 1: Breath of the Wild swept the game of the years,
Speaker 1: all of them, every almost every every publication game of
Speaker 1: the Year had Breath of the Wild. And so there,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where they go with the Switch. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even getting into all the different iterations of
Speaker 1: game Boy that they had, but yeah, well we'll probably
Speaker 1: do We will do an entire episode on game Boy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we definitely just handhelds, just into no handhelds,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk a little bit more. But before that,
Speaker 1: I think you guys need a break or at least
Speaker 1: we do. So we'll talk to you when we come
Speaker 1: back with our guests after this. All right, and welcome
Speaker 1: back to Artificent. We are talking about violence and video games,
Speaker 1: going down the history of it, talking about all the
Speaker 1: studies to strike down whatsoever. Just so much info just
Speaker 1: disproving this, but we have it here all in one
Speaker 1: place for you. But Danny wanted to h wanted to
Speaker 1: say something up top. Yeah, that a p a uh
Speaker 1: study that we were talking about. The American Psychological Association.
Speaker 1: So they had actually looked at four meta analysis that
Speaker 1: reviewed more than a hundred and fifty research reports published
Speaker 1: before two thousand and nine, and then of the ones
Speaker 1: published between two thousand nine, and they looked at a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy articles to come up with their research.
Speaker 1: And again it said, while there's some variation among the
Speaker 1: individual studies, a strong and consistent general pattern has emerged
Speaker 1: from many years of re search that provides confidence in
Speaker 1: our general conclusions. As with most areas of science, and
Speaker 1: the picture presented by this research is more complex than
Speaker 1: it usually include in news coverage and other information prepared
Speaker 1: for the general public. So that's another sector of it
Speaker 1: is what the media decides to latch on. What is
Speaker 1: shown is like they played video games, or they played
Speaker 1: violent video games, which they're not looking at the full picture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well because that's such as simple. Yeah, of course they
Speaker 1: played video games, because everyone their age plays video games.
Speaker 1: That isn't you know, shocking And it's funny because you
Speaker 1: would think, after you know, that huge study and even
Speaker 1: Scalia kind of like shutting it down, it would end.
Speaker 1: But most recently Trump went ahead and set that video games,
Speaker 1: the video games, the movies, the interactive stuff is so violent.
Speaker 1: He went ahead and set that, and it kind of
Speaker 1: re ignited this dead argument because at this point it
Speaker 1: is officially dead. I feel like it's reached as it's
Speaker 1: not I mean, it's alive, but it's you're beating a
Speaker 1: dead horse. That is is not true. It is like
Speaker 1: it's having that Berenstein Bears argument. We've already proved, We
Speaker 1: already proved to you that the name was what it was.
Speaker 1: I need to tell you something. Did you see on
Speaker 1: the White House YouTube channel, which if you didn't know,
Speaker 1: the White House has a YouTube channel, they have something.
Speaker 1: They have a video up that's titled violence in Video Games.
Speaker 1: It has um over a million views. Uh, if you,
Speaker 1: I will show it to you. It is literally there's
Speaker 1: no introduction to it. It is just the most not
Speaker 1: the most, but it is just violent excerpts taken from
Speaker 1: video games of people like hitting each other with hatches
Speaker 1: or or shooting someone in there some pretty prolific scenes
Speaker 1: in video games. Because these are some games I've played
Speaker 1: and it and they're really it is funny. They got
Speaker 1: Dead by Day, which is a horror game where you
Speaker 1: play a slasher. It really is like but there's no introduction.
Speaker 1: There's literally nothing that that introduces this this video. It
Speaker 1: just is on their YouTube page with clips of violent
Speaker 1: you know, violent particular points in videos. They're taking old games.
Speaker 1: They took the extremely controversial No Russian and it was
Speaker 1: the scene where you're you literally go and do a
Speaker 1: mass shooting like that is the scene in the context
Speaker 1: of the story, it makes sense and actually, as the player,
Speaker 1: you do have the option to not shoot anyone. You
Speaker 1: actually get an achievement if you do that whole episode
Speaker 1: and shoot no one. Here's that whole Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: One of the comments that has over two thousand likes says,
Speaker 1: I mean some of those clips you showed are unplayable
Speaker 1: cut scenes, So shouldn't you therefore be making the same
Speaker 1: argument against movies and television. Yeah, I think that's the
Speaker 1: same thing. And I do want to point out that
Speaker 1: the first half of that video, no one was using guns.
Speaker 1: It was all just access growing us like it was
Speaker 1: no real like I think two people got shot and
Speaker 1: the rest were with other weapons other than guns. So
Speaker 1: you're just taking in somebody else. Somebody else said I
Speaker 1: play a lot of fantasy games and for that reason
Speaker 1: and planning to tame and write a dragon. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to necessarily make fun of people who
Speaker 1: are concerned about violence and video games, but I do
Speaker 1: want to say it is dangerous. It is dangerous that
Speaker 1: when we have went through the proper means and the courts,
Speaker 1: your own justice, the one who is on the side
Speaker 1: of the Republicans has doesn't agree with you, and you
Speaker 1: go and you post that like that is that is dangerous?
Speaker 1: It is on the White House on the White House. Yeah,
Speaker 1: channel I agree, and with no explanation, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's another like it's irresponsible is exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It's irresponsible, and it's denying all the world that everyone
Speaker 1: has done and all the facts that are out there
Speaker 1: that proves this is just not true. I do want
Speaker 1: to play this clip from the Daily Site guys because
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, they have a fun way
Speaker 1: Daily Zeite guys, another show on the How Stuff Works Network.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to bleep a lot of it because
Speaker 1: they are some potty mouse. You know. When I'm on there,
Speaker 1: I never cuss. I don't cuss in my whole life.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is kind of I feel like instead
Speaker 1: of kind of repeating what has happened and what is
Speaker 1: said during the recent shootings, would be good to just
Speaker 1: kind of give you you all just a clip and
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't already listen to the Daily
Speaker 1: Site guys, hopefully this will make you want to go
Speaker 1: peep those guys out. You know, me and Danny have
Speaker 1: both been on it talking point. It seemed like on
Speaker 1: all the Sunday shows because the n r A had
Speaker 1: to get all their people out to start spending this
Speaker 1: recent shooting to be anything but the guns. Uh seem
Speaker 1: to be mostly video games and movies now was like
Speaker 1: the I guess Scapegoat Jour and riddling. Yes, so I
Speaker 1: guess the first step new one. Yeah, Ali North, who
Speaker 1: is the new n r A president and O G
Speaker 1: Gunn smuggler of America. He went on Fox and yeah
Speaker 1: blamed riddling in a bunch of check out this explanation.
Speaker 1: We're trying, like the Dickens, to treat the symptom without
Speaker 1: treating the disease. And the disease in this case isn't
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment. The disease is youngsters who are steeped
Speaker 1: in a culture of violence. Uh, they've been drugged in
Speaker 1: many cases. Nearly all of these perpetrators are male and
Speaker 1: their young teenagers in most cases, and they've come through
Speaker 1: a culture where violence is commonplace. All we need to
Speaker 1: do is turn on the TV, go to a movie.
Speaker 1: If you look at what has happened to the young people,
Speaker 1: many of these young boys have been on riddle in
Speaker 1: stance they were in kindergarten. H that's such a hard
Speaker 1: left on. Like it's like he even started like making
Speaker 1: a good point of like all these young shooters are male,
Speaker 1: all these young like that that could be a discussed
Speaker 1: about what toxic masculinity is and things like that, right,
Speaker 1: but then it turns into a ridin. Yeah, So like
Speaker 1: they at this point and I think hearing that also
Speaker 1: lets you know that it really isn't video games. It
Speaker 1: really isn't. What it really comes down to is anything
Speaker 1: but smarter gun control laws, Like that's what. And it's
Speaker 1: so funny because no one. I feel like a few people,
Speaker 1: a few fringe people might have said ban all guns,
Speaker 1: but no one is saying ban all guns. What we're
Speaker 1: saying is make it harder to get these killing machines.
Speaker 1: I want to start just with the war because it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. It's it's almost like you know when you
Speaker 1: read some people's biographies and you're like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good movie one day. I
Speaker 1: feel like Rod Serling has one of those. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating. I guess he hasn't. No one has
Speaker 1: played him yet, like officially in a huge film. I agree.
Speaker 1: He is so instrumental. I feel like in um, not
Speaker 1: only science fiction, but just yeah, I know that he
Speaker 1: gets compared Black Mirror gets compared a lot to Twilight Zone,
Speaker 1: and that's accurate. And then, and of course we're gonna
Speaker 1: also visit the fact that Jordan Peel is now making,
Speaker 1: which I think he's perfect for. It is going to
Speaker 1: be on the CBS platform. Yeah, because like get Out
Speaker 1: would have been the perfect like episode of Twilight Zone
Speaker 1: in the same like cutting just um, what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for criticism? What I was gonna say is, actually,
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park fits a lot people forget, but that fits
Speaker 1: a lot of like, yeah, the original Drastic Park well,
Speaker 1: and I would say drastic the last one Draassic World
Speaker 1: Falling Kingdom um where they start to kind of or
Speaker 1: or they hint at using dinosaurs as weapons. That to
Speaker 1: me is also kind of like what would we do
Speaker 1: with this technology? Um where it could also be like
Speaker 1: a Black Mirror episode. But yeah, Rodster. As far as me,
Speaker 1: like I grew up with the Twilight Zone marathons, my
Speaker 1: parents would party and essentially leave us alone. On New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, we had watch it on Sci Fi my
Speaker 1: brothers and I. I now, if he has been to
Speaker 1: my place, Melow, you are welcome to come to my place.
Speaker 1: I have a Twilight Zone wall um which I will
Speaker 1: tweet with different artwork and original artwork that's signed by artists.
Speaker 1: I have rod sterling up there. I have m many
Speaker 1: of the episodes, including one of the most famous ones,
Speaker 1: which is I have the Beholder, but also I had
Speaker 1: an artist a lot of the other ones that don't
Speaker 1: have as much artwork, so I commissioned an artist to
Speaker 1: do my favorite. Well it changes as the years go on,
Speaker 1: but my favorite is The Howling Man is one of
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite episodes. Uh. And also Satan's kind of hot.
Speaker 1: He's kind of hot in it. Uh he is, he
Speaker 1: looks good. Um. So yeah, so let's talk about the
Speaker 1: history of Rod Sterling. Yeah, I was, and I just
Speaker 1: wanted to start in high school. He funny enough, He's
Speaker 1: always been a right or not funny, I mean just
Speaker 1: I guess as expected always. He was writing for the
Speaker 1: school news paper and he was kind of like amped
Speaker 1: up about World War two and he was kind of
Speaker 1: encouraging other students to enlist. And he actually wanted to
Speaker 1: enlist before he graduated. But then it was actually his
Speaker 1: Civics teacher, Gus Youngstrom, who said war is a temporary thing.
Speaker 1: It ends an education doesn't without your degree, where will
Speaker 1: you be after the war? So he actually finished school, graduated,
Speaker 1: and as soon as school ended, enlisted. Now there's a
Speaker 1: fun detail in his enlistment that kind of really I
Speaker 1: think sets up who Rod Serling is. So originally he
Speaker 1: was sent to um California, which man he was going
Speaker 1: to fight the Japanese instead of you know, the the Germans,
Speaker 1: and he was actually angry about it because he wanted
Speaker 1: to fight Hitler and so so he was like, forget
Speaker 1: the Japanese, I need to fight this guy, this horrible, bigoted,
Speaker 1: racist guy, like that's who he wanted. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that kind of set the tone for his life. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Lee he actually grown bitter about the war because it
Speaker 1: seemed like such a young thing to do, to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go join the army, I'm gonna fight the
Speaker 1: bad guys. But he found out that, you know, he
Speaker 1: was seeing death every day. And then there were a
Speaker 1: lot of freak accidents. There was this huge freak accident,
Speaker 1: like there was there was a Jewish private name Melvin Levy,
Speaker 1: and Levy was delivering a comic monologue for the platoon
Speaker 1: as it as like he was standing under a palm
Speaker 1: tree and a food crate was dropped from a plane
Speaker 1: above and it decapitated him. And so Startling actually let
Speaker 1: the funeral services for Levy and placed the Star of
Speaker 1: David over his grave. So like, not only are you
Speaker 1: seeing the death of the war, but you're also seeing
Speaker 1: freak accidents like that. I can imagine that's not only
Speaker 1: kind of making you bitter towards the war, but that
Speaker 1: I feel like there's no way to not have this
Speaker 1: kind of morbid, kind of creative thought when you see
Speaker 1: things like that, you know, like, yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: also during the time, UM, I think like you were
Speaker 1: saying too, that he was exposed to this idea of
Speaker 1: good verse evil and then evil not necessarily being evil
Speaker 1: or are we the evil actually? Um? Was something that
Speaker 1: I think that he tackled a lot pretty often. UM.
Speaker 1: Human nature as well as during this time. Just the
Speaker 1: amount of racism that he saw was definitely influential in
Speaker 1: his writing. And something that's really fascinating is we can
Speaker 1: we can link this in our footnotes. But I watched
Speaker 1: a YouTube video of him a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh that sounded weird. It wasn't a YouTube video of him.
Speaker 1: It was him doing an interview that was helping on
Speaker 1: YouTube Uncle Rod doing an unboxing bid. Uh. Here can
Speaker 1: you imagine can you imagine him like doing having a
Speaker 1: selfie stick? I would love to see him nowadays, like
Speaker 1: his commentary on us um would be so fast. His
Speaker 1: daughter is still alive. But what I was gonna say
Speaker 1: is I watched the video on YouTube of him where
Speaker 1: he was talking about censorship and how CBS had centered
Speaker 1: the writers and what they were trying to get away
Speaker 1: with and a lot of the times. Of course, his
Speaker 1: commentary was on on people of coloring, the treatment of
Speaker 1: people of color in marginalized groups in general, where they
Speaker 1: would end up having to make them like an alien
Speaker 1: or you know, a monster or something for you to
Speaker 1: like feel for them because they weren't they weren't able
Speaker 1: to make them people of color. And uh, he actually
Speaker 1: says that you eventually start to censor yourself where you're
Speaker 1: not even writing those stories. So if you already know
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fascinating, like the brain will just
Speaker 1: start to center and and not even create those stories anymore.
Speaker 1: It was it's a really fascinating interview, and we'll link it.
Speaker 1: But yeah. He ended up volunteering at w NYC in
Speaker 1: New York as an actor and writer in the summer
Speaker 1: of nineteen forty six, and then the next year he
Speaker 1: worked at a station as a pain intern in Antioch
Speaker 1: work study program and then took a couple of odd
Speaker 1: jobs and other radio stations in New York and Ohio.
Speaker 1: He said, I learned time writing for a medium that
Speaker 1: is measured in seconds. He also worked at the Antioch
Speaker 1: Broadcasting Systems Radio Workshop and was managing the station within
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Dan let He's Moving Up movie.
Speaker 1: He was a hard worker. Uh. He wrote and directed
Speaker 1: the programs and acted in them as well. Um, this
Speaker 1: is kind of fascinating. So I actually read the twilight
Speaker 1: Zone Companion highly recommended. There's a couple of different Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone books out there. Have you read that one? Mellow? Oh,
Speaker 1: I think you would like it. There's so much behind
Speaker 1: the scenes for each they go through each episode. So
Speaker 1: I actually got it inaudible, and I would listen to
Speaker 1: it when I would clean and drive and stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's behind the scenes of like how did this get made?
Speaker 1: How this almost didn't get made? Other freak accidents that
Speaker 1: happened in the episodes. Uh. And also he didn't write
Speaker 1: all of them. Um. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: think that he wrote all of them, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them were actually bought from They were teleplays or
Speaker 1: they might have been a short story in a magazine
Speaker 1: and he would buy the rights to it and then
Speaker 1: adapt it. Uh, sometimes he would, and and then he
Speaker 1: had other people working on his team as well. And
Speaker 1: I can imagine like he wrote like an insane amount
Speaker 1: or believe at the age of he had written forty
Speaker 1: or forty nine episodes by that point, and he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I finally need another writer. Yeah. Yeah, And well he
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a writer. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know that, but they talked about that in the
Speaker 1: book where he just wanted to be a writer for
Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone and he didn't intend to be the host.
Speaker 1: And looking at him like, you were the perfect host.
Speaker 1: You're like handsome, but you're creepy and you're like stern
Speaker 1: and have like a parental thing to you, but you're
Speaker 1: also like, you know, ominous and uh yeah, I think
Speaker 1: and he has gorgeous lush eyebrows. Um, so yeah he
Speaker 1: But originally he actually just wanted to be a writer,
Speaker 1: and he didn't because when he was hosting, he didn't
Speaker 1: have an acting like he didn't have as much time
Speaker 1: to dedicate to writing. Uh, and I know that bothered him.
Speaker 1: But hopping back into the past, while in college, Serling
Speaker 1: won his first accolade as a writer. The radio program
Speaker 1: Dr Christian is starting an annual scriptwriting contest. Eight years earlier,
Speaker 1: thousands of scripts were sent in annually, but very few
Speaker 1: can actually be produced. So certainly want a trip to
Speaker 1: New York City and five hundred dollars for his radio
Speaker 1: script to live a dream. He and his new wife
Speaker 1: attended the awards broadcast on May eighteenth of ninette, where
Speaker 1: he and the other winners were interviewed by the star
Speaker 1: of Dr Christian, Geene Herschel. One of the other winners
Speaker 1: that day was Earl Hamner Jr. Who also earned prizes
Speaker 1: in the previous years, and later Hamner wrote scripts for
Speaker 1: Sterling's The Twilight Zone. Also, I just wanted to drop
Speaker 1: this fun fact. Five hundred dollars in ninety nine has
Speaker 1: the same buying power as five thousand, one hundred and
Speaker 1: fourteen dollars has today. It's like a nice little something
Speaker 1: came up. I mean, you get that much in college,
Speaker 1: you like? Hold up, that's true, that's true. We're about
Speaker 1: to throw a dorm party. I would love to see
Speaker 1: Rod Serling partying. Oh yeah, yeah. I wonder if any
Speaker 1: of those cigarettes who's always so, if any of them
Speaker 1: were blunts. Ever, you never know, uh so, Sterling said
Speaker 1: of his time as a staff writer for radio. From
Speaker 1: a writing point of view, radio ate up ideas that
Speaker 1: might have put food on the table for weeks at
Speaker 1: a future freelancing date. The minute you tie yourself down
Speaker 1: to a radio or TV station, you write around the clock.
Speaker 1: You rip out ideas, many of them irreplaceable, they go
Speaker 1: on and consequently can never go on again. And sold
Speaker 1: them for fifty dollars a week. Gosh, And he was
Speaker 1: saying that back then. I mean, that seems small to us,
Speaker 1: but you can't afford to give away ideas. They're too
Speaker 1: damn hard to come by. If I had to do
Speaker 1: it over, I wouldn't staff right at all. I'd find
Speaker 1: some other way to support myself while getting a start
Speaker 1: as a writer. Holy crap, I'm like going through a
Speaker 1: midlife crisis as we're as we're discussing this right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know how many writers in our lives do you
Speaker 1: think would agree with this as well? That you're kind
Speaker 1: of just giving your ideas a for to a studio
Speaker 1: for like such little pay, And especially his because he
Speaker 1: was so like transformative, like the thought that he wrote
Speaker 1: forty nine scripts by himself, and all of them anthology episodes.
Speaker 1: It's pretty much on the equivalent of, like you wrote
Speaker 1: a pilot like twice a week, so we'll we'll just
Speaker 1: jump all the way to what we're here to talk about,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, the Twilight Zone. And it had an
Speaker 1: interesting kind of start, just kind of shows you how
Speaker 1: old Hollywood used to work. I don't think the w
Speaker 1: g A existed at this point because Sterling submitted the
Speaker 1: time element to CBS, intending it to be a pilot
Speaker 1: for his new weekly show, The Twilight Zone, but instead
Speaker 1: CBS used the science fiction script for a new show
Speaker 1: produced by Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball the Westinghouse Desilu
Speaker 1: Playhouse in ninety eight. The story concerns a man who
Speaker 1: has vivid nightmares of an attack on Pearl Harbor. The
Speaker 1: man goes to a psychiatrist, and after the session, the
Speaker 1: twist ending, a device which Sterling became known for, reveals
Speaker 1: the patient had died at Pearl Harbor and the psychiatrist
Speaker 1: was the one actually having the vivid dreams. The episode
Speaker 1: received so much positive fan response that CBS agreed to
Speaker 1: let Sterling go ahead with his pilot for the Twilight Zone. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry that my work that you yank
Speaker 1: for me did so well that you agree to let
Speaker 1: me keep making this thing that people are excited. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stopped laughing at the idea of Lucio ball
Speaker 1: in this like serious job. What's so interesting here is
Speaker 1: that that's such a sandwich and it's such a perfect
Speaker 1: like wrap up to who Sterling was and into Twilight Zone,
Speaker 1: because I mean, dreams about a World War two, Like
Speaker 1: he said, the war left him with nightmares. So this
Speaker 1: is really him, like just the beginning of him taking
Speaker 1: what he was actually dealing with, putting it on paper,
Speaker 1: and then making it into something amazing. I also just
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, what a twist that was all
Speaker 1: of the No, not all of them, but that was
Speaker 1: a lot of his his most famous ones, I feel
Speaker 1: like had a pretty big twist. Um and some of
Speaker 1: them I still feel like you can't always tell. Some
Speaker 1: of them you can tell, but some of them you can't.
Speaker 1: And that was always my favorite things about a lot
Speaker 1: of the He was just so what a fascinating, interesting
Speaker 1: man um. But yeah, let's talk about the Twilight Zone. Um,
Speaker 1: after these messages, Yeah, let's do it. After these messages. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up y'all? Welcome back, and as promised, we are
Speaker 1: backed with a power Ranger. Yeah. It is my buddy,
Speaker 1: my friend, Peter Sdars. So how are you doing? Good? Dude? Good? Yeah, Peter.
Speaker 1: When he walked in, he was like, so what are
Speaker 1: we talking about? You are the worst. I love you.
Speaker 1: We're just such different co host. I feel like where
Speaker 1: I would have had like an email and here's the
Speaker 1: parking situation, and here's like I called him for parking
Speaker 1: actually just ouside. I was like, is it okay for
Speaker 1: me to park just like one? Peter, we have a
Speaker 1: spot for you? What the lot is full today? And
Speaker 1: all the even the one I was going to pay
Speaker 1: the dumb eight dollars to part that's full. So I'm
Speaker 1: like out on vine me too. Yeah down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in Hollywood. I feel
Speaker 1: very short. Look at my chair right now. What we
Speaker 1: do have to talk about something? This is Peter's first
Speaker 1: ever podcast ever. I'm just a little bit. I'm nervous,
Speaker 1: Like you like, do live on camera stuff constantly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you did hyper Force and then you did
Speaker 1: like the real Power Rangers. I mean, you're yeah, you're
Speaker 1: one of the Power Rangers who got to be in
Speaker 1: multiple iterations of Power Rangers super like, Um, my goodness.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure how it.
Speaker 1: I guess because I think they're very different audiences, Like
Speaker 1: most people who watch Hyper Force aren't aware like my
Speaker 1: Ninja Seal stuff. So it feels like there are two
Speaker 1: different things completely. It doesn't feel like they're both like
Speaker 1: Power Ranger and all in like one little thing. Oh nice. Well,
Speaker 1: let's back it up a little bit and let's talk
Speaker 1: about when did you first start hearing about Power Rangers.
Speaker 1: Because we know all of us if I started talking
Speaker 1: about that, we're gonna be here for like an hour.
Speaker 1: What was your first introduction when you first remember seeing
Speaker 1: Power Rangers. Um, I grew up in Indonesia, so my
Speaker 1: first introduction of Power Rangers was actually Super Sentai. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, I'm just I'm just on the
Speaker 1: other side. But yeah, I think I remember it when
Speaker 1: I was like super young, and then I kept watching
Speaker 1: it and I grew up just watching it, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's always been in my life. And then uh,
Speaker 1: to get into the whole power ranger acting industry side.
Speaker 1: It was actually Yoshi, Yeah, your older brother, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also done in Charge Blue. Um. He got into
Speaker 1: the industry from doing like stunt stuff, so he did
Speaker 1: like the suits and all that stuff and for the
Speaker 1: live action shows, and so he got to meet some
Speaker 1: of the rangers and from then on he was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you get into this industry?
Speaker 1: I want to be a power ranger, you know, because
Speaker 1: like he could do flips, so they requirement, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what you need to be able to do. We're out fips.
Speaker 1: Sang me too. They're actually casting for it right now,
Speaker 1: right now, it's down the street. I hit our manager up,
Speaker 1: excuse me? Why was a sentence? No? But so he
Speaker 1: did that and then so he got the casting raised
Speaker 1: email and we legit just cold shot an email. And
Speaker 1: we weren't in the acting industry at this time. I
Speaker 1: was a student of architecture and my brother was doing mathematics.
Speaker 1: He was just like, hey, can we audition and she
Speaker 1: was like yeah, sure, So we came in and we
Speaker 1: saw her and then we got really lucky. I think
Speaker 1: it was just things just kind of worked out really well,
Speaker 1: and we continued on all the way to screen testing
Speaker 1: both me and Yoshi. Then they canned it because they
Speaker 1: were like, actually there's a bit too they'd be testing it.
Speaker 1: So um, come back in like six seven months, like
Speaker 1: all right, cool, we came back No a megaphorce. That's
Speaker 1: the first time that I actually got a taste of
Speaker 1: the industry. Is like, because like you guys, you guys
Speaker 1: act to you guys know, like the whole right when
Speaker 1: you see those papers, you see how much you're gonna
Speaker 1: get paid, Yeah, and the promise like fantasizing in your head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just so people because people outside the industry don't know.
Speaker 1: So when your audition to act, usually like in a
Speaker 1: pilot or a bigger show, first you do your auditions
Speaker 1: than you do your call backs, than what you do
Speaker 1: is like a screen test slash chemistry test. What that
Speaker 1: usually is. It varies for different studios, but mostly let's
Speaker 1: just talk pilot season since it just happened and it's
Speaker 1: easy to talk about. Um, the studio exects come in
Speaker 1: and watch you do your auditions. It's a lot, and
Speaker 1: they're like just most of them at the time will
Speaker 1: be like stone cold, like yeah, it's just like the
Speaker 1: SML auditions, they don't laugh. But before you do your
Speaker 1: before you do your screen test, you get the contract
Speaker 1: and you see how much you're going to be making
Speaker 1: per episode. You see that money, and so that that
Speaker 1: just ups to stay even more because now you know
Speaker 1: how much you could be making and you don't even
Speaker 1: have the job yet, but you're already seeing how much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you start to like imagine this life, you know. And
Speaker 1: since that was like an architecture, I have been living
Speaker 1: like non industry life for all my life. Seeing all that,
Speaker 1: I thought that the contract itself was like binding and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, my life has changed, you know.
Speaker 1: And at the end of it, I got super close
Speaker 1: and it was done like me when one other person.
Speaker 1: And it got to the point where like I accidentally
Speaker 1: got upload on IMDb before I heard back that I
Speaker 1: didn't get it. So I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who did that? That's the worst you
Speaker 1: could get in Big trouble for the thing is like
Speaker 1: the Power Rangers fan base and communities super passionate. So
Speaker 1: they found out who was. Yeah, they found everything out,
Speaker 1: and so like they speculated, then eventually one by one
Speaker 1: people found out who got casted and it was down
Speaker 1: to like the last person and then they were like,
Speaker 1: I think Peter got it, So I think they put
Speaker 1: on IMDb, so I thought I got it, didn't get it.
Speaker 1: It was like first ever audition and it was like
Speaker 1: first ever like rejection, and no one warned me how
Speaker 1: how bad it would be. Like I've been through breakups,
Speaker 1: but there is nothing like a heartbreak, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I would take twenty heartbreaks from like from
Speaker 1: my partner then like a live dream. Yeah, that's hilarious. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you this is so fascinating me. You have no
Speaker 1: action background. Wow, I mean now people are gonna be
Speaker 1: running out here like la la land this. That was
Speaker 1: my first time with MEGAFORCET and then after that I
Speaker 1: got into the industry from like commercial modeling because I
Speaker 1: didn't I still don't have a theatrical and when you're
Speaker 1: completely out of it, you have no idea how to
Speaker 1: get any of this stuff. Even Google barely helps. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then I did that and then next season was
Speaker 1: Dino Charged. That was two years later, and then by
Speaker 1: this point I had gotten a little bit of practice
Speaker 1: some commercials, but I've never gotten like actual training. So
Speaker 1: we did that, and we went to producers and we
Speaker 1: both got cut, me and my brother. And at this
Speaker 1: point I was already friends with the casting driver, so
Speaker 1: I like begged it. I was like, please please please
Speaker 1: give us another show. Please, I swear to God we
Speaker 1: will do better. Yeah, when she gave us another shot,
Speaker 1: which was super kind of her, eventually went down to
Speaker 1: me against Yoshi was going out for Blue and I
Speaker 1: was going out for Red, and they couldn't have two
Speaker 1: Asians on the cast at that time. That I don't know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you actually eventually got it. Wow. This is
Speaker 1: when I realized, like, oh, this industry isn't just fun
Speaker 1: and games. Yea. When he left, I was like majorly depressed.
Speaker 1: I took like I spent like fifteen thousand dollars eventually
Speaker 1: in like classes. I drowned myself in classes. But that
Speaker 1: ultimately helped me actually get into this industry. Series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, well, I think what you did, You know
Speaker 1: this is taking a step from nerd talking, going towards
Speaker 1: actor talker just industry talk. What you did is you
Speaker 1: took the positive route to deal with it. I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of times when people face rejection in
Speaker 1: this industry, they want to blame the industry and not
Speaker 1: themselves better. But what you did is you took the
Speaker 1: classes and you made yourself undeniable and then it paid off,
Speaker 1: and that was That's kind of how you have to
Speaker 1: treat rejection. Instead of like being like, these people aren't
Speaker 1: giving it to me, you have to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna get better and better until the point
Speaker 1: you can't say no. You look bad if you say
Speaker 1: no to me. Yeah. It's like it's like the audition
Speaker 1: that we were talking about this morning, Like had I
Speaker 1: known she wasn't going to read the lines, I would
Speaker 1: have just been better. You know what, man, You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many things I've been I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you like, because we're both in classes, and I feel
Speaker 1: like as comedy, well I can only speak for myself,
Speaker 1: but I feel like being in comedy you kind of
Speaker 1: like you coast off of that for a little bit,
Speaker 1: Like you can make them laughing auditions, you can do that,
Speaker 1: but then you start to realize you're not getting it
Speaker 1: because you don't have the acting technique that they want, Like,
Speaker 1: and then when you're in acting classes, you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I never thought to do literally any of that you know.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because the same thing as a comedian,
Speaker 1: like looking at acting classes. You know, it's hard for
Speaker 1: a comedian to take anything seriously, especially they're acting like
Speaker 1: and you're like whatever, But it all it takes is
Speaker 1: that one moment of you like do in the line,
Speaker 1: and then that teacher giving you the adjustment and then
Speaker 1: seeing how it pops and you're like yeah, You're like
Speaker 1: maybe this is uh yeah, and we'll just opens up
Speaker 1: your range. I feel like to other now I can
Speaker 1: go for drama roles, which is like I never ever
Speaker 1: would have and I didn't even want to. Like when
Speaker 1: they my acting teacher like made me take this like
Speaker 1: drama course, I'm like, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I don't want and then I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love it. I didn't realize I could cry on cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I'm so living out here in this town. I
Speaker 1: can cry at any time. I didn't realize I could
Speaker 1: use that in my acting. Okay, so so yoh got it.
Speaker 1: And then and you didn't And so you were here
Speaker 1: and you took all these acting classes. Well at that
Speaker 1: time too, I started taking a lot more seriously, not
Speaker 1: just acting classes, like I started um writing my own scripts,
Speaker 1: like phoning my own stuff. I started YouTube channel because
Speaker 1: of that and which now has already died down. But
Speaker 1: you got busy, Yeah, I got busy. Well after leaving
Speaker 1: Pott Rangers, it just no one else took over it
Speaker 1: and I couldn't like but um so I started doing
Speaker 1: that to actually like progressively do stuff. And I ended
Speaker 1: up getting a manager from one of the auditions that
Speaker 1: I did from like a self tape. And so after that,
Speaker 1: the pilot season came when Ninja still was coming up,
Speaker 1: and at that time I had booked two pilots. One
Speaker 1: of them was like an ABC free form the other
Speaker 1: one was Disney, and I was like, I think I
Speaker 1: think it might be okay. I think I might be
Speaker 1: okay in this acting industry, even if I don't get
Speaker 1: Power Rangers, you know, like I'm gonna be sweet. Then
Speaker 1: when Power just came along and I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this again. I don't want to break my
Speaker 1: heart another time, you know, like it was so gut
Speaker 1: wrenching the first second and third time, like this time,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go through it again. And my
Speaker 1: brother was like, you know what do you just gotta try,
Speaker 1: because like, what's the worst that can happen? You book it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I guess you're right. So then I
Speaker 1: went into it and I was like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get invested. I already got two pilots going on. I'm sweet,
Speaker 1: you know, and lo and behold. Of course, you always
Speaker 1: get invested. Always. There's no like at first audition, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you could be like, Okay, cool, I'm done, you
Speaker 1: can let it go. When you get a call back,
Speaker 1: you're like yeah. So like incrementally, it's like first you're
Speaker 1: like maybe invested five percent. The next thing you like,
Speaker 1: next you know, you're like two thousand percent. What just
Speaker 1: happened there? So all that happened and I got all
Speaker 1: the way to the point of screen testing again. And
Speaker 1: at this point I was there, there were like two
Speaker 1: other dudes who were like way better looking than me,
Speaker 1: way younger than me, and they were like amazing at stunts.
Speaker 1: I saw them doing it and I was like, frick,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna have two Asian dudes on here, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was just like feeling a little discouraged, but
Speaker 1: I did it. Anyways, after all that was done, it
Speaker 1: was quiet and you know, you guys know the screen
Speaker 1: testing thing with the test option of like your time
Speaker 1: is here to here, and once like you reach like
Speaker 1: June or whatever, you have to be released from the
Speaker 1: test opic. So that means you at least know when
Speaker 1: you don't get it, as opposed to like prior to.
Speaker 1: So it got to the point of like I think
Speaker 1: it was May no, no, yeah, it was June June three,
Speaker 1: which was the day that it cut off. And it
Speaker 1: was June twenty two at night, and I had not
Speaker 1: heard anything back. And I was on on a shoe
Speaker 1: that day. I was on a shoe with my brother
Speaker 1: and we were on film and uh, it was like
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and of text from the producer saying like, um, hey,
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you. And at this point
Speaker 1: I was like, twenty second, what is going on? So
Speaker 1: I went up to my brother and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you check this out? Is either really good news
Speaker 1: are really bad news? Hoping that he'd be like he ha, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should call him yeah, and so I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he was like oh um and at that
Speaker 1: point his face just dropped, like completely dropped. He You
Speaker 1: could you could tell when somebody's not joking you, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter how good of an actor they are, in
Speaker 1: real life situations, you could tell when somebody ken. So
Speaker 1: he was like, dude, um, you didn't get it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what, don't screw with me, dude, Like
Speaker 1: this is you know how big this is to me,
Speaker 1: how important this is to me. Like if if you
Speaker 1: screw around with me right now, I will break down.
Speaker 1: We're on set. I can't afford the breakdown. And he
Speaker 1: was like, no, dude, like a Chip called me actually
Speaker 1: two hours ago and told me like, hey, Peter didn't
Speaker 1: get it. How should I tell him that he didn't
Speaker 1: get it? And I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: guess that's how. I was like, you gotta be joking.
Speaker 1: So he called me and he was like, hey, you
Speaker 1: didn't get it. Um, I don't have much time right
Speaker 1: now because I'm actually in a meeting and I know
Speaker 1: that you're on a shoot. Let me call you back.
Speaker 1: I just want to talk to you because I do
Speaker 1: really care about you as a person, and I want
Speaker 1: to let you know why you didn't get it, just
Speaker 1: so you understand that's not yeah exactly. And I was
Speaker 1: like at that point, I honestly didn't care to talk
Speaker 1: because I was so upset. But which one was for this? Again?
Speaker 1: This was for Ninja Seal okay. Yeah, so this was
Speaker 1: two years ago, I think, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if he was kind enough to go out of his
Speaker 1: way to say that, I might as well just talk
Speaker 1: to him, you know, and like at least maybe it'll
Speaker 1: make me feel a little bit better why I didn't
Speaker 1: get it. So after the shoet was done, this was
Speaker 1: two in the morning, I was driving home and I
Speaker 1: finally called him and he was like, hey, Peter, okay, um,
Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you. If you're on
Speaker 1: the on the street, can you pull over something? And
Speaker 1: I was like alright, So I pull over and he
Speaker 1: was like okay, well, um, the reason why you didn't
Speaker 1: get it, Peter, or should I say Preston is because
Speaker 1: you're Ninja Seal Blue. And I was like what what
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you say? And I legit,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could cuss on here, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll belie it. I was like, don't and he turns
Speaker 1: out I got it. And the reason why he told
Speaker 1: Yoshi that was because he wants to surprise him no people.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's funny because I like, I know
Speaker 1: that they surprised Yoshi, but I was still I know.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I took it for granted, because
Speaker 1: you don't hear like executives doing that, Oh good thing.
Speaker 1: You didn't like cuss somebody off. I've given you my
Speaker 1: heart and my soul. But man, you gotta that person
Speaker 1: was really good because because because if he would have
Speaker 1: been like, don't tell your brother, but you did get
Speaker 1: it and you were on set, you would have let
Speaker 1: it slip. There's no way you would have been at it.
Speaker 1: So he was like, I gotta wait till they get
Speaker 1: off set, and he's like, all right, this is what's
Speaker 1: going down, So tell tell the story because I really
Speaker 1: like it's very cute, and we're gonna post to send
Speaker 1: me the video so we can pa. You can actually
Speaker 1: look it up. It's it's on Bethany's like she has
Speaker 1: like all the back ends of it too. But so
Speaker 1: after that, I had to wait two weeks before yos
Speaker 1: she could know, because after that it was two weeks
Speaker 1: until Power Morphicon, which is coming up soon. That's when
Speaker 1: they do to reveal. So up until that time, I
Speaker 1: was like still playing DND with my brother and I
Speaker 1: was like trying to put little hints and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: but we're playing DND and like we passed by like this, um,
Speaker 1: this martial arts gym right by because I play an
Speaker 1: Emerald Nights and there's this martial arts place called a
Speaker 1: Blue Dragon Martial Arts. And the day before Power work
Speaker 1: On we drove past it and my sword, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a blue Dragon, so yo. She was like, hey, Peter,
Speaker 1: look at that Blue Dragon Martial Arts, like just like that,
Speaker 1: just the way I just said it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: does this guy know It's like is he screwing with me?
Speaker 1: So then the day of Power Morphicon came and uh,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go down the thing and they were
Speaker 1: like reading the names. They wanted to read me last
Speaker 1: because they wanted to do the whole like surprise with
Speaker 1: the Ocean. At that point, I was already annoyed because
Speaker 1: I was like, man, yeah, he's pointed out multiple things
Speaker 1: that shows me that he knows, like I know he knows,
Speaker 1: and um the moment that like my name was supposed
Speaker 1: to get called up, so it was like this person, uh,
Speaker 1: this color, this person, this color is this person. There
Speaker 1: was like a beat, a pattern, you know, And then
Speaker 1: it got to me and it was like and the
Speaker 1: Blue Ranger and yeoh, she was supposed to read my
Speaker 1: name and all I heard was and I was like, what,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then that's when I knew that
Speaker 1: like he didn't know. Yeah, then he called my name
Speaker 1: and he could even say my name, Like the dude
Speaker 1: just started breaking down. And even to this day, like
Speaker 1: every time I watched it, I still get feelings just
Speaker 1: because of how raw his emotions were. Yeah, I'm pulling
Speaker 1: it up for Danny right now. It's like the cutest. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will definitely post it. I'm gonna get it. So
Speaker 1: how crazy was it? Like? Right after that? What was
Speaker 1: the Because their fan base is pretty ravenous in eat
Speaker 1: up everything. They're extremely passionate, and that's the one thing
Speaker 1: that I will say, like I love about the Ranger
Speaker 1: fan base. Like, but the thing is like I've already
Speaker 1: kind of always been in semi spotlight with them because
Speaker 1: the Mega Foresting when they put me up on IMDb.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the Ranger fans actually have like
Speaker 1: stayed with me since eleven, Yeah, since two thousand eleven.
Speaker 1: Until I booked in two thousand sixteen, and then a
Speaker 1: lot of them were like, dude, you've been here since
Speaker 1: day one and your brother was the last year, so
Speaker 1: that it just it just worked out really well in
Speaker 1: my favorite So I hope that you enjoyed the visit
Speaker 1: down memory lane some of our favorite moments from Notificent,
Speaker 1: and next week we will also have a couple more
Speaker 1: of our favorite ones. Let us know what your favorite
Speaker 1: episode and moments were from this past year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because we love hearing from you, you know, Stay, it's
Speaker 1: such a th