WEBVTT - Practicing Golf vs. Playing Golf with Ryan Crysler 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.880 It's the Son of the Bridge podcast. I am your host, 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.920 Clon Harmon. This week's guest, Ryan Kreisler, works with me 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:08.720 here at the Floridian. I think he's one of the 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.160 best destructors in the game. We talk a lot about 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.400 golf chaos and managing the chaos of playing golf, and 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.720 that's what this week's pot's about. How to manage the 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.840 chaos of playing golf. And I think it's something that 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.280 we talk about a lot with our players, and it's 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.680 something that I think is not focused on enough the 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.240 actual playing of the game, because when you're on the 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.480 golf course, it's going to be chaotic, right. Things are 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.480 going to happen, and it's how you deal with those 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.159 situations that I think are really really important. But before 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.680 we get to that, let's hear from our friends at 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.839 Cobra Golf. The king Tech x irons define how a 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.120 game and proven iron should look and feel. Exhilarating distance 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.919 and forgiveness are achieved through an internal seventy gram tungsten 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.479 weight and haul of body construction, giving you the keys 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.360 to improving your game while looking like a serious player. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.200 So I think everybody wants to try and you know, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.240 obviously have the coolest irons blades. 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If you're hitting the golf 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.720 ball off the heel, if you're hitting golf ball off 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.640 the toe, if you've got a player's iron, and let's 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.319 be honest, if you've got a player's iron and you 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.680 don't hit it solid all the time, sometimes you're not 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.480 getting the most out of the irons you play. And 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.720 that's why I think the King Tech X is an iron. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.120 If you are looking for something that has the look 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.399 of a player iron but performs and has a little 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.320 bit forgiveness, you definitely want to check it out. I 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.120 guess today is Ryan Chrysler. I've worked with Ryan for 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.800 about twenty years now. I think he's one of the 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.120 best instructors in the game. Ryan I mean, one of 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.320 the things that we're always talking about with our players 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:52.000 is that kind of battle between technique and execution. And 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.800 it's something I've talked about a lot on the podcast 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.160 where I think most golfers are just going to predeposed 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.480 to think of everything that happens on the golf course 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.559 to them is technical and they've got to go straight 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.000 to the driving range. And what we started to notice 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.200 with a lot of the aspiring to our players with 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.919 juniors is what's happening on the golf course isn't necessarily 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.320 a representation of what's happening on the range. And one 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.799 of the questions I mean I've been asked for twenty 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.040 years from players is how do we simulate what happens 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:26.440 on the golf course on the driving range? And I mean, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.120 I just don't think people are practicing playing the game 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:35.359 of golf enough and everything is just golf swing and technique. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.800 Yeah. Actually, the first problem we have is the driving 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.440 range is not a golf course. It is a box 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.240 with targets that don't move on perfectly flat lies with 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:46.560 perfect balls, with. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.880 A ton of balls. You hit a bad shot, there's 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.639 no consequence. You just roll one back over and you've 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.880 got an entire bucket of balls. You've got an entire 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.600 den caddy of balls, a purvan of balls. So you're right, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:01.680 there's not necessarily that importance on every single ball counting 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.480 because you're working on your technique. You've got a bunch 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.120 of ball You're gonna try a bunch of stuff. But 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.280 there's a big difference between. Again, what I keep talking 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.160 about as much as I can on the podcast, the 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.600 difference between technique and execution. And I think if you 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.320 are looking to try and lower your scores, the answer, yeah, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.680 everybody's golf swing. And I say this all the time. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.000 Everybody's golf swing can get better. Obviously having a better 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.480 technical golf swing can help you on the golf course. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.160 But I say this to players all the time. Every 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.480 single player in the game, he's trying to improve their 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.640 golf swing. I mean, we just heard Ry Macero saying 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.520 he spent three weeks in a simulator, not looking at ballflight, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.960 not looking at the golf ball is going, just working 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:48.000 on the technical. Okay, that is the ultimate example of technique, right, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.760 put yourself in a room you're flying blind, so you're 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.360 only working on the positions of the golf swing, which 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.520 obviously have a huge impact on your scores, But there 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.800 is an art to play the game of golf, which 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.600 I think we're trying to have players focus more on. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.280 That, right And like Roy is the perfect example. I mean, 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.360 no other sport you do that during the season, where 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.560 Tom Brady or a bow Knicks sit on their throwing 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.320 technique fundamentals for three straight weeks. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.320 While the season is going right, while the season is 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.920 going you know, whatever team sport they're playing, whatever individual 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.520 sport they're playing, maybe tennis a little bit, but all 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.320 the team sports, there's no way they're going to try 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:38.440 and tear something apart in the middle of a season. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.640 And I think the average golfer doesn't realize that. Every 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.600 time they go out and play it is like they 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.719 are a football team, a basketball team, a baseball team. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.840 You know, let's say you play fifty times a year. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.120 Let's say you pay twenty five times a year. That's 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.719 your season. Those are your games. Those are your opportunities 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.200 to play the game. They're not opportunities to go out 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.919 and practice your technique. You do that on the driving range. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.040 So I also think that one of the things that 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.159 we've I can think tried to get players to kind 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.880 of zone in on the playing of the game should 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.120 be sacred, right, that should be the most important thing. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.880 But I think the majority of people listening to this 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.040 podcast and are trying to work on their golf games, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.920 they're only trying to do that on the driving range, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.760 and they hope that, Okay, all the work that I 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.120 do on the driving range is going to somehow translate 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.719 to me actually playing the game better. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.800 When you're doing that practice, it's nothing like how you play. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.719 It's nothing like the penalties you'll see. It's the only 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.200 sport where practice is not on the same field. It's 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.440 literally the only sport where practice is not on the 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:43.960 same field. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.359 Tennis players, when they are practicing, they are practicing on 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.240 a tennis court, right, So even if they're just warming up, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.839 you know, with a hitting partner, there's a net the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.440 court is to find if they're missing the court, if 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.839 they're hitting the balls out of the court, if they're 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.000 not hitting them in between the lines, if they're hitting 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.520 him into the net. That's a big problem for tennis players. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.479 So I've never thought about that. You're right, golf is 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.880 the only real sport that's practiced on a completely different field, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:16.839 basketball football, American football. They're all played and practiced on 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:17.880 the same surface. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.839 And one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty years ago, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.279 these clubs put in maybe a little bit of a 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.680 practice seede just for warming up. It wasn't for practice, 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.080 it wasn't designed for practice. And now some of the 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.839 new modern clubs you're building these really extravagant practice tees. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.440 Which are great, right, they have a massive role in 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.760 helping golfers get better, right, But it's still not quite 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:41.359 the same. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.039 And so how do you practice real scenarios? And I 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.240 think we've got a good way to do here, So. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.400 Why don't you dive in and tell like kind of 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.400 what we're trying to do with players to get them 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.280 into that play mode. I mean, you and I have 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.960 talked and I've talked about it on the pod in 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.520 the past. Tournament golfer can competitive players, but for the 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:06.680 average fifteen twenty five handicap, a round of golf is 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.800 it's their tournament, right, So how do you think that 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.920 players can get into that mindset of saying, Okay, I've 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.800 taken my practice, my technique practice. What tools are we 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.800 trying to give them and what tools do you think 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:25.360 are important in practice? That isn't technique, right, it's basically 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.320 the ability to handle duress. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.400 Right. So the military you train under duress, right. In 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.000 football you're training under a coach helling, you under duress, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.440 two minute offense, you know things like that, right. So 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.720 you have to create a system or a practice system 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:45.480 that creates duress. And the easy first step is to 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.400 maybe create a group environment or a team environment and 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.120 make sure your responsibility to complete this task. Let's say 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.559 it's seven drives out of ten inside boundaries is done 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.360 in a group environment with a penalty. And the games 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.560 we're gonna use tomorrow is you're gonna have to run 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.400 basically a half mile if you don't complete seven out 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.360 of ten drives down our window, right, And so you 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.160 have that external pressure, you have that intrinsic motivation not 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.200 to have to run. But even if you get six 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.280 out of ten, you're gonna throw in a mile of cardio, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.520 come back, and you're gonna do it again. And what 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:25.000 that does is really simulate your physiological response on the 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.080 golf course to your practice. And that's one of the 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.840 key things that doctor Doris talks about is we don't 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.840 practice under duress, right, So we can create these conditions, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.079 these tasks that are seen maybe relatively easy. But when 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.560 you start adding heart rate, start adding accountability to the 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.400 group around you, now it starts to get interesting. And 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.680 now it starts to create this sense of practice being 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.960 super valuable and super close to what it is on 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.280 the actual course. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.480 One of the things I think players struggle with is 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:58.280 they work a lot on their technique, right. They work mechanics, mechanics, mechanics, mechanics, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.880 the drills, drills, drills. The club's getting too deep inside 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.520 if you're coming over the top of it, you're doing 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.960 drills to try and shallow it out, whatever that is. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.600 And I think the disconnect with a lot of players 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.880 is they work NonStop on their technique and then the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.520 test is when they go play golf, right. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.319 And the test needs to be before golf. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.600 So I always look at, you know, what we're working 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.640 on from a technique standpoint, Like if you work in 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.839 a Michelin Star restaurant, right, if they're going to come 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.719 up with a new dish, right, they practice it for 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.040 months and months and months, and they refine it and 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.280 they refine it, and they refine it. They just don't 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.960 come out with a brand new dish for the menu 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.040 Friday night, three hundred people in the restaurant, busiest night, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.280 and say, Okay, hey, I've got this new dish we're 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.080 gonna putut. We're gonna put it on the menu. We've 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.400 never really tried it. I've tried it once, and we're 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.320 going to see if it works. The probability of that 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.040 tasting good being good is slim. So what they do 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.199 is they practice it, They practice it, they refine it, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.959 then they practice making it to see if they can 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.800 make it in the right time, and then after months 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.800 of work and months of refinement, they say, okay, we 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.720 know it works in a controlled environment, right. We know 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.080 that because we've tested it, We've tested how fast we 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.520 can make it, we've tested the time element all that. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.920 Then only then do we put it out on the 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.200 menu for people to taste in a restaurant environment. And 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.720 I think what I'm always trying to ask players to 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.360 do is listen, work your technique, work your drills. That's great, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:35.080 But then in a practice type situation where you're not 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.640 working on your technique, where you're working on another task, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.120 working on having to complete something then we're going to 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.520 see quite quickly if anything that you're working on technique 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.480 wise actually really does work. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.720 This is not uncommon in other fields, like military units 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.640 don't go in a battle without a plan, all right. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.640 Football teams don't go into the games without a game plan, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.880 similar to other sports, right. And so what we're trying 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.960 to do basically is you gotta have like a battle 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.640 tested technique system way of playing before you get to 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.440 the golf course, right, And it has to be done 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.760 under duress because when you're playing, even with your buddies, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.720 even with your friends out there, there's still a little 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.320 bit of edge, there's a NASA going on. There's something right, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.360 and it's a little more extreme obviously when you get 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.640 the tournaments and junior tournaments, money craw Firescu's cool. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.760 Trying to win your club championship, trying to win your 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.560 flight in you know, the monthly medal, trying to win 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.040 you know, the ladies club champion. It doesn't matter what 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:44.920 that tournament is. The Masters is important and incredibly famous 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.560 for putting players under pressure. That's the tournament everybody wants 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.840 to win. But sometimes if you're trying to break one 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.680 hundreds for the first time. If you're trying to break 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.800 ninety eighty, trying to break power for the first time, 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.800 that is the equivalent of your major championship, right, that 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.040 is your masters You were going to feel things all 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.920 the time. When we've really started to do we call 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.480 it round defense. We get all of our competitive players, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.679 a lot of our juniors, a lot of the people 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.840 that are trying to play, you know, on various tours 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.880 to get their tour cards. We every week have what 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.080 we call round defense. We get everybody in a team environment, 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.360 We get them in a boardroom and we put their 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.080 scorecard up on screen. We sometimes get another screen where 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.200 it has the GPS of the course, and then we 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:33.040 basically go through and have the players talk us through 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.200 their rounds, talk us through, Okay, the birdies you made, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.200 but more importantly the mistakes you made. So anytime we 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.400 see kind of big numbers on the scorecard, right, doubles, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.920 triple bogis, and then the other thing that we're constantly 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.480 looking at, which I think is a great way for 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.840 everyone else to look at their score cards. Look at 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.600 what you're doing on the par fives, and look at 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.120 what you're doing on the par threes. The par fives 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.200 or the legitimate scoring opportunities that we all have. Right, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.800 Almost all the tour players that you see on tour, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.400 they're killing the par fives, right, They're not losing. So 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.439 over the course of the year, the majority, if not all, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.720 of the players on the PGA too, are under par 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.320 on the par five. So we're starting to look at 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.440 their scores and actually challenging them when they do make 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.360 a big number, when they do make a double, when 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.920 they do make a triple, say okay, talk us through 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:20.640 the mistake that you made. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.640 We had round offense with Dubai a couple of weeks ago, and. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.040 We had three kids. They're all brothers, two twins. They're 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.439 really good players. They're kind of in that thirteen to 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.880 seventeen range. They're super super competitive. They played in a tournament, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.839 a big junior tournament the Tummy Fleet would put on 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.760 out in Dubai. It got Wagger rankings, It was contioned 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.400 with the AJGA, and one of the brothers won it. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.600 But the first brother shoots sixty five the first day, right, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.920 and that's the lowest round of golf he's ever played 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.400 in competition. Right, followed up the second day with I 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.760 think what seventy five made a couple of big numbers. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.720 But talking to this player about what he was thinking 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.640 in the first round versus what he was thinking in 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.280 the second round was really I found interesting. And I 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.800 think you zoned in on it. You were on a 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.719 zoom call. I you're you know, connecting through zoom, but 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.040 you said sixty five. You were leading, I think he 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.600 was leading by four or five, and you said to him, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.520 have you ever shot a score that low in a tournament? 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.120 And he said no. So that is the equivalent of 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.040 being a mountain climber and you're trying to climb Mount 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.560 Everest and you've just never been that high on the 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.680 mountain before, right, So you don't know what you're going 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.680 to do in that situation. And I think the following 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.120 day is a great example of what we see a lot. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.360 You're going to have a good score the first day 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.160 and then the second day based off of I think expectations. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.920 Just hanging on trying to get down the hill, right. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.160 And one of the things we really preach is the 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.880 journey or the process. So it's like sixty five and 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.080 now what right? Seventy five? Now what right? So those 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.520 those peaks and valleys are gonna be there in golf. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.080 But what do you do now? What do you do next? 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.720 And that's one of the big things we talk about 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.600 during these sessions is like, this is the first time 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.800 you've actually played a second round of a tournament with 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.760 a three or four shot lead. It's new, it's a 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.120 new tapic golf, right, you've never done this before. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.720 You see this a lot Ryan on players that have 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.040 that really good front nine, right, They'll be maybe one 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.840 two under on the front So then the back nine 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.000 a lot of times just goes into Okay, I'm just 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.440 going to try and go into prevent defense. Now. I'm 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.640 just going to try for the next nine holes to 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.920 not make any bad swings, to not hit any bad shots, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.440 to not mess up. And what ends up happening? 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.400 And it's up because nobody plays golf like that, right, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.240 So it takes experience, takes practice, and we try to 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.120 assimilate those situations in our practice. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.320 I think of the things Nico Darris, who's been on 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.600 the podcast before, Nico's big on heart rate, and one 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.040 of the things I think that we're finding is the 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.600 simulation in practice. Again on a driving range, there's no 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.680 consequences right, you're just hitting balls. You hit a bad one, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.400 you scoop another one up. So there's there's no consequence. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.360 Your heart rate doesn't get up, you're not, you know, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.160 kind of in a heightened state, both physically and mentally. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.200 And I think Nico's tapped into you know, we've started 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.480 putting heart rate monitors, you know, on players to where 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.880 we can say, okay, before you actually have to complete 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:39.120 this drill, this task, this kind of simulation of shots, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.120 you have to get your heart rate up and then 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.480 you we also, I think are finding that in a 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.080 practice environment, getting the heart rates up, but then having 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:55.200 a task that you have to complete with outcomes, consequences 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.600 for outcomes, but in a time specific spot three minutes 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.320 five and it's whatever it is, that's what you're going 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:03.440 to be feeling on the golf course. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.400 Golf which are real good at like finishing the bucket right, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.840 taking a handful of balls, hitting the chips and we're done, right. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.400 And so one of our concepts is you cannot move 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.719 on to the next task without completing the task prior, right, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.320 and so we've got to get you hyped up. We 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.600 got to hit you seven out of ten draws seven 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.120 out of ten fades, whatever the situation is, and if 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.080 you don't do it, there's a penalty for it. And 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.679 there's also a penalty for it in the group setting. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.359 You got some peer pressure now working against you, and 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.880 if you've got to run to the stops, hunt and back, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.200 that's just what the task calls for. Right, that's the journey, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.320 that's the process, And you got it used to playing 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.200 under those situations and under that duress as you move 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.600 through this career that you're trying to play golf in. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.840 Yeah, And I think getting into those heightened states, both 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:55.920 physically and mentally is the chaos that is golf at 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.760 the competitive level. I mean Brooks Kepto's five time Major 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.600 champion John stub I think those two are very very 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.560 good on the golf course at managing the chaos. They're 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.760 very good at kind of staying in the present. They're 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.840 very good at kind of controlling their emotions. I think 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.600 Brooks is one of the best at when the pressure 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.440 gets the highest. Everyone says they love pressure, right, but 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.879 as you know, we've heard from many famous athletes, pressure 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.080 is a privilege. And the more that you can be 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.760 under pressure in your practice, the better you are. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.960 Going to perform on the golf course. We talk about 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.400 it's like a saving principle. We talk about the practice 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.000 being tougher than the actual event. So we want you 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.600 to get to the tournament. If it's a junior, it's 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.359 on the weekend. If it's a pro, it's a Monday 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.360 or it starts Thursday. We want to practice so extreme 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.560 and so hard that the tournament feels like the fun part. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.000 That's why they call it playing golf. You are playing 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.760 a game. They give you a scorecard, they tell you 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.360 what the rules are, they take you to a specific 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.560 field that has boundaries and obstacles stuff. But everything that 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.960 is about playing the game of golf is given to 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.000 you beforehand. So if you think about a scorecard, and 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:13.560 this is one of the other things that I always 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.040 say to specifically the juniors, if you look at a 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.920 scorecard on a round of golf, look at how small 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.960 the boxes are. The boxes are only big enough for 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.400 you to put a score down. But when you make 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.520 a big number, when you make a double bogie, when 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.280 you make a triple bogie, there is this long drawn 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.760 out narrative, almost novel type story. Every time we question 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.040 one of the players that's made a big number. There's 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.120 always this big, long, drawn out, you know, story as 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.920 to how they made the double. And one of the 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.639 things that I always say to them, so they go 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.280 through this whole thing and they, you know, Okay, so 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.720 I'm standing on the tee and I hit one, and 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.080 then I hit it in the water. So then the 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.800 drop I get goes into a hole, and then I 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.159 tried to go for the green, but then it clipped 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.119 the tree, and then it hit a sprinkler head, and 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.480 then it kicked out. About there's this big, long narrative, 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.320 and I, you and I we will sit in these 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.879 conference room and listen to these people talk about this, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.760 and at the end of it, I'll just say, nobody cares. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.000 Nobody cares how you made the double. Try to stop 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.360 making doubles and triples. Look at the decision making process 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.560 that is called it. Why do you think golfers when 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.200 they do get out of position, Ryan, why do you 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:28.639 think they become so aggressive with their shot selection. So 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.600 you've hooked to drive into the trees, and now you know, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.600