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Speaker 2: seven names. Alphabet this week has moved ahead of Apple

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Speaker 2: big power generation deal with this company called Vistra, which

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Speaker 2: has had a really futile week. Let's bring in Man

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Speaker 2: Deep sing right now. Man Deep is our global tech

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Speaker 2: research head at Bloomberg Intelligence, and Man Deep just put

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Speaker 2: into context for us this multi gigawatt nuclear deal that

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Speaker 2: Meta has signed for its AI data centers. How should

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the best way to frame it is

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Speaker 5: Let's get to the restaurant business here.

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Speaker 4: You know, the flu season which is upon us, and

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Speaker 4: By this, transition to electric vehicles is proving very costly

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Speaker 5: That's interesting, you know, talk to those about hybrids here.

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Speaker 4: I just caved at least a hybrid form my number

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Speaker 4: the gas prices are just ridiculously high.

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Speaker 5: A the technology seemed really cool to me.

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Speaker 4: The car drove great, and it seems like a nice

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Speaker 5: How do you think about it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this was the supposed bridge technology, and

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Speaker 7: can make you know, the the bigger pickups and SUVs

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Speaker 7: get sort of the both the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 7: Even if there's a little bit of incremental costs on

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