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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Hysteria. I'm a Lissa Astramonico.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Katie Couric Wo.

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Speaker 1: Katie is back for another week. Lucky for her. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot for us to get into. But before we do, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you, do you feel like the

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Speaker 1: Olympics is having a moment?

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Speaker 2: Definitely? You know, I've covered seven Olympics and Tokyo was

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Speaker 2: a teeny bit of a bust, I think because of COVID.

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Speaker 2: But Harris is just killing it. And obviously the women's

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Speaker 2: gymnastics team and Simone Files and the Redemption Tour, which

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Speaker 2: I hope they stop saying that.

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Speaker 1: Why the Redemption Tour I hated so much? What do

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Speaker 1: they need to be redeemed from? It's a comeback if anything.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because, as you know, Simone dropped out

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Speaker 2: four years ago because she was just not feeling it

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Speaker 2: and she wasn't feeling safe in her own body and

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Speaker 2: something was off, and she got criticized by some jerky people,

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Speaker 2: but look what she did to destigmatize mental health. And

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Speaker 2: she's just she's truly amazing. Twenty seven years old. I

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Speaker 2: interviewed her eight years ago and I remember I was

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Speaker 2: at Yahoo and I did a headstand for her. What

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Speaker 2: is wrong with me?

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Speaker 3: Listen?

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Speaker 4: What? Wait?

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Speaker 1: But Katie, this is my thing about the Olympics. I

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Speaker 1: start watching the women, do you know uneven bars and

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Speaker 1: their floor routine, and I'm like, I don't know, should

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Speaker 1: I try a cartwheel?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: The answer is no, I should not try a cartwheel.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was a gymnast when I was little. I

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Speaker 2: mean not a very good one, but I was you know,

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Speaker 2: I could do handsprings and headsprings and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But these women are just amazing. They're on koyable.

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Speaker 1: My favorite thing that I have seen because I've gone deep, Katie,

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Speaker 1: when I can't sleep because my high flashes are keeping

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Speaker 1: me up.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw. I watched the press conference that the

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Speaker 1: US Olympic women's gymnasts did, and I think it was

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Speaker 1: Ali Reisman who was one of the reporters and asked,

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Speaker 1: what's your slogan this year? Like, what's your motto? And

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Speaker 1: they all huddled as if they didn't know what to do,

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Speaker 1: and then they were like abbreviate it and like and

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Speaker 1: simone didn't really know what that meant. The women gymnast's

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Speaker 1: slogan is fuck around and find out, and they did.

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Speaker 1: People fucked around and they found out. The Redemption Tour

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Speaker 1: has received a gold medal.

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Speaker 2: That is so funny, you know. I saw something online

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Speaker 2: that they had come up with their motto, but I

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Speaker 2: couldn't quite figure it out. So thank you for breaking

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Speaker 2: that news to me, Alyssa, as you.

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Speaker 1: See me once in a while, I can break something

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Speaker 1: to Katie.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. It's just been really, really fun to watch, and

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Speaker 2: I think the NBC Olympics team has done an incredible

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Speaker 2: ceremonies with him in pyeong Chang and that was really

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Speaker 2: fun and he's a great guy. And I have to

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Speaker 2: say I'm a little envious not to be in Paris.

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Speaker 1: It Honestly, it does look like from the fashion to

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Speaker 1: everyone who has shown up, it is. It is a

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Speaker 1: real event.

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Speaker 2: It is, it is, and it's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun also just watching it in my pajamas on the TV.

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Speaker 1: This week, Katie and I talk about all the things

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Speaker 1: we're seeing out on the campaign trail and weather Kamala

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Speaker 1: might trick Trump into debating her. We also discussed the

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Speaker 1: weirdness of the Maga movement, and a memoir we cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to get our hands on. Welcome back to Hysteria,

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Speaker 1: the podcast for childless cat ladies who loved Sweet Valley High. Katie,

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Speaker 1: did you see the news Francine Pascal one hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty one books passed away this week?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I know, Sweet Valley High. It's like Francine Beverly Judy.

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Speaker 1: What else? What else was there when we were growing up?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's so funny. I don't think I ever read

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Speaker 2: Sweet Belly High.

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Speaker 1: Well, it didn't come out till eighty three, so.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, come on, I was at eighty three, I

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Speaker 2: was gosh at thirty four something like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, all right, it was a moment for some people.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well may she rest in peace. And

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Speaker 2: also the guy who invented Tira Massou died on Sunday. Really, yes,

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Speaker 2: a chef from Italy who invented the delectable treat made

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Speaker 2: of lady fingers, mars capone, cheese, coffee, cocoa, eggs, vanilla,

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Speaker 2: and something else. I was reading all about him.

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Speaker 1: Based on that recollection. Does that mean that there is

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Speaker 1: an Instagram story of yours in our future where you

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Speaker 1: make a tira massoux.

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Speaker 2: No, because you know what, I don't really love tiramassou

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Speaker 2: really I do you do?

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Speaker 1: I like it. I find it to be a light,

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Speaker 1: tasty dessert for like winter.

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe, so I don't know if just would never

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Speaker 2: be my first, second, or third choice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well you know what our first choice

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Speaker 1: here is. News. See there is a real segue. Okay, Katie,

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Speaker 1: since you were here last week, so much has happened. First,

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Speaker 1: we're breaking zoom from coast to coast.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: The white ladies, white women got on zoom for Kamala, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, missed opportunity. Karen's for Kamala would have

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Speaker 1: been a much funnier.

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Speaker 2: Funnier what have they funny?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be funny?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like hilarious.

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Speaker 1: So the not the white women for Kamala raised about

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Speaker 1: eleven million dollars. Over two hundred thousand women joined. Then

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Speaker 1: the dudes, the white dudes got in on it. One

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bridges made an appearance. Now. I just read a

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Speaker 2: do you feel about that? I mean, he did make

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Speaker 2: some legitimate points. He said he appreciated being on white

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Speaker 2: but he's like, why does it have to be black women,

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Speaker 2: white women, white dudes, and why can't it just be

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Speaker 1: Sure like agree, that's probably good, But since these were

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Speaker 1: if you're going to raise eleven, if the white ladies

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Speaker 2: I think he probably missed the memo that Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 2: lost white women, right, and that this was a little

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Speaker 2: How was the white women and were you on that car?

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Speaker 1: I was on the white women and it kept crashing

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Speaker 1: her from thirty thousand feet over Sweden. I think from

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Speaker 1: the person whoever wrote that in The Atlantic, like I

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Speaker 1: White Dude's Call, which he said was a glorious rainbow

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Speaker 1: a call, donate money, do some GOTV put alongside out front,

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Speaker 1: Like people who maybe were a little reserved last time,

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Speaker 1: I think are just running through the tape this time.

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Speaker 2: I agree. And that brings me to another issue that

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Speaker 2: I thought we could talk about, Alyssa. And this is

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Speaker 2: the whole idea of Democrats now calling Trump and jd

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Speaker 2: and Tom Friedman wrote a short column about it. I

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Speaker 2: I don't know that much about Tim Watz. I feel

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Speaker 1: He's been out there killing it. I mean, he's been everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I don't see. I'm going to say I don't think

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's talk about that and then we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the VP stakes. So do you want to read any here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So here so so. Friedman basically said Democrats were going

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Speaker 1: to regret calling Trump weird, and he said, quote, it

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Speaker 1: of rules in the establishment. I'm a basic bitch, Katie,

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Speaker 1: and I know that about myself. But this is working

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Speaker 1: because you know what, they're fucking weird, Like this is

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Speaker 1: all weird, jd Vance. If jd Vance had just been malevolent, right,

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Speaker 1: if he had just said these things about catwomen and

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Speaker 1: how people who don't have children don't have a stake

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Speaker 1: crushing the response to that, saying all over the place,

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Speaker 1: I think that jd Vance And here's why I also think.

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Speaker 1: jd Vance could have Trey Goudie on Fox actually gave

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Speaker 2: We also doubled down with Megan Kelly and by ps,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump doubled down on his Christian remarks with Laura

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Speaker 2: Ingram and never really answered the question as far as

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Speaker 2: what he meant by that that if they voted, they'd

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Speaker 2: But go on.

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Speaker 1: No, But so here's how I see it. We're using

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Speaker 1: a word like weird. Weird is not the worst word

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Speaker 1: John Carey was still thinking of running for president again,

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Speaker 1: he made a comment that was a little taken out

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Speaker 1: basically said smart people don't end up in Iraq, meaning

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Speaker 1: if you're smart and educated, you you'll end up in

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Speaker 1: the military. And that was the end for him, remember,

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Speaker 1: and that was it. He was on his way to

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Speaker 1: do an event for Tim Walls and Ram Emmanuel, who

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Speaker 1: was head of the D Triple C at the time,

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Speaker 1: called me because I was Barack Obama's political director in

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Speaker 1: the Senate and was like, honey, honey, you got to

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Speaker 1: get him. You got to get Barack to Minnesota. And

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Speaker 1: that's literally my biggest memory with Tim Walls. But he

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Speaker 1: you know, he was in Congress, he is governor. He

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Speaker 1: has done amazing things in Minnesota. Minnesota has had such

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Speaker 1: progressive policies put into place in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and he's come out is this just like rock Star

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Speaker 1: attack Dog, but like if Santa Claus weren' an attack dog, right,

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Speaker 1: like super Charming.

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Speaker 2: How old is he?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think probably he's sixty sixty.

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Speaker 1: He's sixty.

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Speaker 2: He went to Minnesota to State University, and he wrote

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Speaker 2: on et you can fifty nine minutes ago. You can

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Speaker 2: feel the excitement. People get out there and get engaged.

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Speaker 2: Let's win this thing in November.

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Speaker 1: See get out there?

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Speaker 2: Tim interesting. So, I mean, so do you think he's

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Speaker 2: like one of the top two or three choices.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's probably like a top

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Speaker 1: five right now, and maybe he's in the top five.

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Speaker 1: But you and I both know, as these things go,

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Speaker 1: the only person who really knows is Kamala and the

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Speaker 1: people who are vetting these people.

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Speaker 2: Right what do you think of Andy Basheer? I know

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Speaker 2: he's well thought of.

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Speaker 1: He is really a nice man. He's done great work

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Speaker 1: in Kentucky, you know, But I don't know if and

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Speaker 1: I always feel so badly ever saying anything unkind, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what he adds to the ticket, do you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he's lovely, he's not that

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Speaker 1: well known. Like the thing about only.

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Speaker 2: Howayyads handsome white man?

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Speaker 1: He is, but Jos Shapiro is a handsome white man.

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Speaker 1: Pete Bootage is a handsome white man.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true, but Josh is Jewish and Pete is gay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's I hope that I hope that that

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Speaker 2: doesn't have an impact, but I have to wonder.

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Speaker 1: It's here, is the thing, with all that we have

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Speaker 1: going on, I will always I think, I oh, I

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Speaker 1: think whoever is the easiest, with only ninety some days

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Speaker 1: to go, whoever is the easiest to introduce to the

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Speaker 1: American people, right? And I think the two people easiest

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Speaker 1: to introduce are Mark Kelly, fighter pilot astronaut Giffords, member

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Speaker 1: of the NRA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I think we talked about this last week,

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Speaker 2: or I did with somebody, and seventy four percent of

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Speaker 2: n r A members actually favor stricter gun laws, which

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Speaker 2: is something we need to focus on. And I thought

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Speaker 2: it was really interesting, by the way, just apropos of

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Speaker 2: this that Kamala Harris said she was going to ban

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Speaker 2: ak forty.

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Speaker 1: Sevens, which is great.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was great too, but very ballsy so

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Speaker 2: early in the campaign.

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Speaker 1: You know what this is. I think that she, if

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Speaker 1: I'm her, I'm leaving it all on the field. This

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Speaker 1: isn't a time for equivocating or hedging. She's like, here's

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Speaker 1: where we are. Here are the differences.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If her job is to show contrasts between she and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, she's doing it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well you think it's going to be I thought

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Speaker 2: for a long time it was Mark Kelly, and I

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Speaker 2: would say we're friendly, and I was texting him like so,

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Speaker 2: and he obviously wasn't divulging anything. He said, I'm laying

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Speaker 2: low in London. And then he was out in my

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Speaker 2: neck of the woods this weekend and I was hoping

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Speaker 2: I would see him, but we didn't were not able

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Speaker 2: to get together. I'm dying to talk to him. I

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Speaker 2: really like him. I think like his His CV is

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Speaker 2: sort of just what the doctor ordered. I think. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: will have to.

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Speaker 1: Be texting next week when the announcement comes.

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Speaker 2: I know. I mean, somebody's probably gonna find out and

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Speaker 2: break the story. I think Andrew and Mitchell did for

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Speaker 2: somebody not too long ago. Did Andrew break the Sarah Palin?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember, but she's really good and very plugged in,

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Speaker 2: so I'm sure it'll get out somehow, some way. So

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Speaker 2: I just don't know. But I'm excited for whoever it is,

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Speaker 2: and I'm excited to see them together on the trail

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Speaker 2: and to see the energy that they're going to generate.

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Speaker 2: So I really don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you know what I dare say, it's nothing

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Speaker 1: but upside of all those people on the list like

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Speaker 1: if the lists were hearing on TV or true, she's

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Speaker 1: got an embarrassment of riches.

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Speaker 2: There was an article that said, why not Gretchen Whitmer?

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Speaker 2: But I think I think listen, If that's a bridge

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Speaker 2: too far, I'm afraid.

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Speaker 1: So wait, Okay, So there's always an October surprise, right,

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Speaker 1: Not always, but it is. It is something people love

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Speaker 1: to talk about. And I saw this week that Katie

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Speaker 1: Milania Trump has a book coming out this fall. I know,

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Speaker 1: do you think she could be the October surprise?

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I can't imagine that she would do that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the October surprise that he

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Speaker 2: drops jd Vance? A couple of people have asked me,

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Speaker 2: do you think that Donald Trump would possibly switch his

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Speaker 2: vice presidential candidate because he made this calculation when he

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Speaker 2: thought Joe Biden was going to be the nominee. I

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Speaker 2: think that's very unlikely. What do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely, but not would not put it

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Speaker 1: past him, right, Like, I did a lot of research

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Speaker 1: on this, trying to check out if it would be possible.

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Speaker 1: And there's some back and forth about how most ballots

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Speaker 1: are printed by September sixth and a lot of states,

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Speaker 1: and therefore it would have to happen before then. But look, Katie,

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Speaker 1: he is a man who acts out of desperation and

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Speaker 1: if he sees it falling apart and he thinks that

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Speaker 1: that is the thing that will get him attention. Because

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Speaker 1: right now, Katie, no one gives a shit about him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the reason that I think they keep talking

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Speaker 1: about child as catwomen is because they're like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: all attention is good attention, and I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's also so interesting that the head of

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five step down, and I think that

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Speaker 2: that is because it's been a very powerful motivator for people,

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Speaker 2: and Democrats are really leaning into it in terms of

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Speaker 2: talking about what a second Trump term would look like.

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Speaker 2: And of course we saw that Donald Trump was distancing

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Speaker 2: himself from Project twenty twenty five, and I think he

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Speaker 2: realizes it is no bueno when it comes to getting voters.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I was reading this morning that still

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Speaker 2: a lot of the architects of this whole plan and

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Speaker 2: this sort of massive overhaul of government and policy and

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Speaker 2: getting rid of the Department of Education and getting rid

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Speaker 2: of career politicians and various departments. I think I think

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Speaker 2: that's still going to happen, whether this guy resigns or not.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's signals increasing discomfort with the Republican

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Speaker 2: Party that this Project twenty twenty five is gaining traction

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Speaker 2: and is too extreme for a lot of Americas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Katie. With that, we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a quick break, but when we come back, we'll answer

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Speaker 1: some of your questions.

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Speaker 4: Listeners.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hysteria, where we have the best listeners. Listeners,

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Speaker 1: we know you're just as excited as I am to

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Speaker 1: have Katie on the podcast this week, so we thought

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Speaker 1: this would be a great opportunity to bring you guys in.

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Speaker 1: We put the call out for questions and we're going

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Speaker 1: to answer them now. Also, the omniscient voice you hear

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Speaker 1: asking us questions is our producer, Caroline Restin, Caroline, take

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Speaker 1: it away.

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Speaker 5: I want it to be like I wanted to write

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Speaker 5: in that copy. The godlike voice you're hearing is our producer,

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Speaker 5: that Caline.

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Speaker 1: Voice of God, the voice of God.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so our first question is one, and how did

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Speaker 5: you two first meet?

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Speaker 2: Katie?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember I do?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Was it when I came to the Obama headquarters

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Speaker 2: in New York, when I was anchoring the CBS Evening News,

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Speaker 2: I knew I had to go and suck up to

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Speaker 2: you people so I could try to get an interview

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Speaker 2: with then candidate or then Senator Obama. And it was

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Speaker 2: really fun because there were so many, you know, just

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Speaker 2: great young people who were just working away. I think

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Speaker 2: I met you there, Melissa, right.

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Speaker 1: We did, and I'll always my parents were so excited

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Speaker 1: because Katie Karic the Katie KRK, and my mom was like,

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Speaker 1: my mom goes, why did you wear horizontal stripes? And

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Speaker 1: so that was the takeaway. And she doesn't listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast, so she won't be mad at me.

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Speaker 2: That is so funny. Is your mom very critical?

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's my mom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, enoughset, Okay, Caroline, Katie.

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Speaker 5: You are also currently wearing horse not in.

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Speaker 1: The same way. Not in the same way. Mine were

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Speaker 1: very different.

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Speaker 5: Okay. So our next question is having a crush on

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Speaker 5: a guy when we're both middle aged just feels so embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Lol.

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Speaker 5: That said, I'd love to hear what you've enjoyed the

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Speaker 5: most about falling in love as grown ass adults.

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Speaker 1: So I would say. The thing about it is is

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Speaker 1: that I liked myself and I was very aware of

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Speaker 1: who I was when I met David, and so he

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Speaker 1: got the real mate, you know, he got one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent this is how I am. I didn't put on

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Speaker 1: any errors for him. I didn't try to be you know,

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Speaker 1: cuter than I was or funnier than I was. It

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Speaker 1: was just me and so I feel like we had

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Speaker 1: a great foundation because there was none of the like

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Speaker 1: when you're younger, I feel like you're just not as secure.

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, either he likes me for

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Speaker 1: me or he doesn't. And he did, And now he's

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Speaker 1: having shoulder surgery tomorrow, and I'm going to have to, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, take care of him.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, what what does David do?

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Speaker 1: He he was we met because he oh we met

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Speaker 1: Katie because he was Harry Reid's chief of staff when

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Speaker 1: Reid was leader. Oh wow, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's how long have you been together?

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Speaker 1: For? Fourteen years?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My gosh, yeah, fourteen years, married for ten.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so nice. You know, my story is very similar, actually, Alyssa.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, my husband died when I was

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Speaker 2: forty one, and he was forty two, and we had

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Speaker 2: two little girls, Ellie and Carrie, and they were six

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Speaker 2: and two when he died. And I took a couple

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Speaker 2: of years to start dating. And I went out and

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Speaker 2: had some long term relationships, you know, fun, but ultimately

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Speaker 2: not for the not for the long run, not for

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Speaker 2: the ages. And I was gosh, I think I was

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Speaker 2: fifty five, and I was always very intentional about dating.

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Speaker 2: I always knew I love to be married. I love

654
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Speaker 2: having a partner. You know, I'm not saying everyone needs

655
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Speaker 2: one to be happy and fulfilled. I don't believe that.

656
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: But for me personally, I love the companionship of a partner.

657
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Speaker 2: And so I was when I met my current and

658
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: hopefully last husband, John Molner, I was very much comfortable

659
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: in my own skin and very much myself as well,

660
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: because I was God, you know, at fifty five, you

661
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: better start to get comfortable with you you are. So

662
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: he kind of liked me. He got, you know, the

663
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: whole thing, you know, he got the true me too,

664
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: and and that's why I think, and I got the

665
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: true him. I think. So that isn't a very good

666
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: story though, no it is.

667
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Speaker 1: No, but I think it is because there is a

668
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: when you're younger, you're still figuring out who you are.

669
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Speaker 2: And I also was insecure. I think I was insecure

670
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, and I think I dated

671
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: a couple of guys who played games and I didn't

672
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 2: like that at all. Who were you know? I never

673
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: knew kind of where they stood, and I always felt

674
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: like uneasy and off balance, right. And when you find

675
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: someone and you can really be who you are, your

676
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: true self, and they love you for warts and all,

677
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: it is so liberating, and you know it's someone you

678
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: can feel one hundred percent comfortable with and like, even

679
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: if you're going to be an asshole one day, or

680
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 2: even if you're going to do something weird, you know,

681
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: you know that there's something deep, deep and a foundation

682
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: of love that can get you through all those rocky times.

683
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Speaker 1: I agree.

684
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Speaker 2: Can I just add something, please? Please, don't be embarrassed

685
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: to have a crush on someone. It's so fun. I

686
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: go early, those early weeks and months of a relationship,

687
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: because let's face it, you know, things do get a

688
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: little more or normalized through the years. But it's so fun.

689
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: There's nothing like it. And enjoy it. Enjoy it, don't

690
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: be embarrassed and also make sure that person likes you

691
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: for the right reasons, just like David and John like

692
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: us for the right reasons.

693
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Speaker 5: That's great advice. Also to plug Alyssa's book, who thought

694
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: this was a good idea? Your her like beginning of

695
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: her love story with her husband is very very sweet.

696
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to have to read your book, Alissa.

697
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: Caroline, I'll send you a cop.

698
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, have you read my book, Alissa?

699
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I interviewed you, Katie. I read your book twice. I

700
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: read your book twice and have so many post it

701
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: notes in it. I also listened to the audio book.

702
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: So you just I forgot you interviewed me. Sorry, you

703
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: sit back for breakfast.

704
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 5: Okay, next question, I think.

705
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Caroline Caroline has beautiful teeth.

706
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 5: Thanks so much.

707
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: The most fun episode ever.

708
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 5: You know, I've been told that a lot, and not

709
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 5: to brag, but I think it's because I've recently learned

710
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 5: I have an unusually large mouth.

711
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: So a lot of smile.

712
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Show. Oh yeah, your teeth show yeah, thank.

713
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: You show They're lovely.

714
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you, Thank you for my

715
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: mom for paying for my braces. Okay, So next question,

716
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: I think there has been a lot of talk about risk.

717
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 5: What is a risk you're glad you took and a

718
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: risk that paid off? What is a risk you're glad

719
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: you took even though it didn't work out, And how

720
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: did that inform your approach to making choices.

721
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: Let's see a risk I'm glad I took. So when

722
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: I was in the White House, the position of White

723
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: House Deputy Chief came available, and Barack Obama and the

724
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: senior staff were like, Alyssa, you're going to do this.

725
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: And I was coming up with every other person who

726
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: I thought should do it because I was nervous to

727
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: make a mistake. And my boss and mentor and sense

728
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: to this day, Pete Rouse, called me into his office

729
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: and he said, God damn it, Alyssa, you're the only

730
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: one here who thinks you can't do it. You need

731
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Speaker 1: to shut up and take the job. And I did it,

732
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Speaker 1: and frankly, I think I was excellent at it. I

733
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: think I was born for that job.

734
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Speaker 2: I loved it, and I think for me, I think

735
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Speaker 2: a risk I'm glad I took was starting my own

736
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Speaker 2: media company. Yeah, you know, I think I realized, and

737
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: that came from a risk that I took that I

738
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: have mixed feelings about. I'm glad I did it in

739
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: a way, but also sad and did it in a

740
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: way which was going to be the anchor of the

741
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: CBS Evening News. And I think one of the things

742
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: I have learned, and luckily technology advanced along with me,

743
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: is that I didn't necessarily want to be controlled by

744
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: the man or the men who had this ability to

745
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: make decisions not always based on merit right, And that

746
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to be the boss of me, that I

747
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: wanted to lift other people up, give them opportunities be

748
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: kind of on the same wavelength as they are. And

749
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: that's why I'm really happy that I started with my

750
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: husband a media company which unfortunately I don't like the

751
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: name of it, Katie Kirk Media. But everyone said, you know,

752
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: you should take advantage, you should take advantage of the

753
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: fact that you're you know, your name is well known,

754
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: and so you know that that was hard and I

755
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: couldn't have done it without my really smart, business savvy husband,

756
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: and so I'm really glad. And now we have like

757
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: forty employees, we've brought in a lot of revenue, we've

758
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: done it for six years, we're thriving, We're kind of

759
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: like that little engine that could. And I have the

760
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: freedom to do things like this Alyssa, or to call

761
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: James Carville and say, hey, will you do an interview

762
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: with me?

763
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: Or and are you enjoying yourself? And I am, yeah.

764
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: And I have so much more flexibility. I'm not going

765
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: to lie like sometimes I work miss working for a

766
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: big news organization, you know, especially like when there's a

767
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: convention or when there's the Olympics. But you know, I

768
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: also am excited to see other people take those opportunities

769
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: and run with them. So yeah, I think that's a

770
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: risk that I'm glad I took.

771
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 5: Okay, our next question involves both of your books. Can

772
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 5: you both talk about your writing process and balancing vulnerability

773
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: and funny anecdotes with advice and accounts. How did you

774
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: develop your author voice and style? And do you plan

775
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: on writing another book? This is for both of you.

776
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: I'll start with this one. I basically tried to write

777
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: the way I think and the way I talk. I

778
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: had a really wonderful collaborator helping me, who I think

779
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: we had very similar sensibilities, were about the same age

780
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: we came up in the media business around the same time.

781
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: So I think we had kind of this common historical

782
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: but vocabulary, if you will, about sort of the way

783
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: things were and the way things have become. So I

784
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: would basically just write big chunks. I would remember events

785
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: like when I interviewed Bob Dole and he got really

786
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: mad at me when I asked him about tobacco not

787
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: being addictive and the money he was getting from the

788
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: tobacco industry. I ended up not keeping that in the

789
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: book because it was getting too long. But I would

790
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: really just write things, and then I would look at

791
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: old speeches or I never journaled. I'm just not the

792
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: journaling type, unfortunately, But I would just remember I do

793
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: have a good memory, and I was prompted by rewatching

794
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: interviews I did or setting myself back in time. And

795
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: there's some things that I think are so crystallized in

796
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: your memory it's easy to retrieve them. But I kind

797
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: of just saw things as chapters in my life, and

798
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily do it in order, but I would

799
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: do like today, I'm going to write about when I

800
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: decided to go to CBS and what that process was like,

801
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 2: or when I was pregnant with Ellie and I got

802
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: offered this job on the Today Show. So I would

803
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: just kind of write about those things and then we

804
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: would weave them together. That's how I did it, how

805
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: about you, Melissa?

806
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: That was so when I first started writing my book,

807
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: I was the process was awful because I was trying

808
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: to write a book like a book that had been

809
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: written before, right, and that's just not who I am,

810
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Like a DC Washington, you's someone who worked in the

811
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: White House memoir and I thought it should be serious,

812
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: and I'm not serious. That is not why Barack Obama

813
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: hired me. Like I am good at my job, but

814
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not uptight, I guess. And I was trying to

815
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: write a book that was coming across as very serious,

816
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: and so I really struggled. And then, funny enough, through

817
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: collective bargaining at Vice, I met my co writer, this

818
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: woman Lauren Eiler Love You Low, and she was exactly

819
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: what I needed because she's like mmm mmmm mmm, She's like,

820
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: write down your memory. What are your favorite memories? Your

821
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: memories will inform certain things. And so I took all

822
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: this time with note cards and I wrote wrote down

823
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: my memories. And then we went back to Hashet and

824
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: we were like, actually, this is the book we want

825
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: to write, and they were like, yes, this is it.

826
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Like I had sent them some versions that I had

827
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: written that I had done myself without Lauren's help. And

828
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: I decided that the best way to get people to

829
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: want to read my book is to just in the

830
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: same way Katie that we met our husbands when we

831
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: were feeling like totally like ourselves. I was like, either

832
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I have to be totally myself in this book. I

833
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: have to tell the horrible story about how I almost

834
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: shit myself when I met the Pope, about how you know,

835
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: of all of the friendships, the things that if anyone

836
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: was going to buy my book, and I decided who

837
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to write it for, which were people who

838
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: grew up like I did you know, my dad worked

839
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: at IBM, my mom worked at the high school. I

840
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: had no adjacency to politics.

841
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: You know.

842
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: They just basically sent me to college and said do

843
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: something you love. And I met Bernie Sanders and that

844
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: was and like, so to just tell people that I

845
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: took these risks, you know that I didn't know. I mean,

846
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders was just this man I saw on TV.

847
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: But he spoke to me, and so I I think

848
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: that Like when I wrote the book, I was so

849
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: proud of it when I was done, because when I

850
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: read the audiobook, uh, when I was recording it, I

851
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: was like, this totally sounds like me. Like if someone

852
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: sat down across the table for me and asked me

853
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: these questions, this is how I would say it. And

854
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: funny enough, I couldn't have done that without Lauren because

855
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: I kept trying to edit myself and she was like, no,

856
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: let Alyssa be Alyssa, like just do it. And that

857
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: was so when people read it and they compliment me,

858
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: I actually take the compliment really seriously because it actually

859
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: is me.

860
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you and I probably were infected

861
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: by the same disease as women of a certain age.

862
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm much older than you are, Alyssa, But how old

863
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: are you?

864
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm forty eight.

865
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm almost twenty years older than you are.

866
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 2: But I think that we you know, I think women

867
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: in the workplace have to think try so hard to

868
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: be taken seriously, right yea? That, yes, that was a

869
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: dilemma for me my whole life. You know, because I

870
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: actually am a serious person. I care deeply about issues,

871
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: but I also have this fun, funny side, and so

872
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 2: I think it's so easy, especially when you're a public figure,

873
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: quite frankly, that people want to put you in a box.

874
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: You're a serious news person or you're a fluffy morning

875
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: show host, and I think people have a hard time

876
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: embracing you know, we contain the idea of containing multitudes,

877
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: like Walt Weightman talks about. And so I'm sure that

878
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: you had some of those things in your head when

879
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 2: you were writing a book, like I'm writing a policy book.

880
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: And I did too, Like I wanted to be received

881
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: as a serious journalist, but I also wanted people to

882
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: get to know who I was deep down inside. And

883
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, I included a lot of things that weren't

884
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: very flattering about myself. That I felt territorial about my

885
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: job at times, you know, and that when people came

886
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: around that I didn't mentor maybe you know, people who

887
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: were thrust out there to replace me in my job.

888
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: And I talked about this whole dilemma with Ruth Bader

889
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: Ginsberg that got a lot of pushback from journalists, but

890
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to say everybody has these ethical

891
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: dilemmas at some point, and journalists have to weigh things

892
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: all the time, and why not, you know, open the

893
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: curtain and say these are some of the things that

894
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: happen to people, you know, all people. And I remember

895
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: being interviewed by a writer about the book and I said,

896
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: have you ever had kind of an ethical thing? And

897
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: she said, yeah, I interviewed someone and somebody came out

898
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: afterwards and said, please don't include that. And I said,

899
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: did you? And they she said no. So you know,

900
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: we struggle with these things, and so I tried to

901
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: be very vulnerable. Sometimes I feel like maybe I opened

902
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: myself up to too much criticism, but I also wanted

903
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: to interrogate things like female competition and what does it

904
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Speaker 2: look like versus male competition, and do it in a

905
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Speaker 2: really honest, transparent way.

906
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Speaker 1: And that is what I loved about your book and

907
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: why I read it and also listen to it, because

908
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: it was complicated, right. You could have done a glossy, distilled,

909
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: edited to shit book that was like here's my life

910
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: is Katie Couric, But you were like, here's my I mean, Katie.

911
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: I laughed, I cried. I read it, and then I

912
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 1: was like, that wasn't even enough. I have to listen

913
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Speaker 1: to it, so to me it was a ten out

914
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Speaker 1: of ten.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, And I think the lesson here from

916
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Speaker 2: both of our stories is, you know, you have to

917
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: be sort of you have to embrace who you are

918
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: and be radically honest if you want your story to

919
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: resonate with someone else, because everything else feels, as you said,

920
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 2: glossed over and baky and authentic. And I think that's

921
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: the worst thing to be. That's you know, who wants

922
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: who wants that, who wants to write it, and who

923
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: wants to read it.

924
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Speaker 5: I think the answer is Malania Trump there. Okay, we're

925
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Speaker 5: gonna take a quick break, but we'll be back with

926
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Speaker 5: more questions.

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931
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932
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Speaker 5: Nown Okay, we're back. We have a few more questions

957
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Speaker 5: for you all. These all lean a little more political,

958
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 5: but I will start with an easy one. If you

959
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 5: had a chance to interview Avonka Trump, what would you

960
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 5: ask her?

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Speaker 1: I think I would ask her, who are you.

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Speaker 2: Like?

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00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Who are you? Tell us who you are like? I

964
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Speaker 1: would I would welcome. I don't think it's a question

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00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: someone would expect, and I would really be interested in

966
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Speaker 1: what came top of mind.

967
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good question. Honestly, I think

968
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: that's who are you? Who are you? I also think

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00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: I think it would be interesting if she would be

970
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: honest about why they kind of disappear from the public

971
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Speaker 2: eye and what was the hardest part of having a

972
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: father who was president and then was not re elected.

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00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: I think I'm not sure, as you know, I said,

974
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Speaker 2: she would be honest in her answer, but I would

975
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: kind of like to to understand her decision to kind

976
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Speaker 2: of move to Florida, get away from all the people

977
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Speaker 2: who you know, who were no longer her friends. I

978
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: get the impression she was sort of shunned by her her.

979
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Pose of her society pals.

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00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know, just on a human level,

981
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: what the whole experience was like, which is a little

982
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: like your question too. Okay, what's next, Caroline?

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Speaker 5: Okay, I keep hearing about non traditional media that VP

984
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: Harris should do. Do you have any ideas for shows

985
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: you'd like to see her on. I'd love to see

986
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Speaker 5: her on a cooking show. I will note she was

987
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: just on RuPaul's Jagrace.

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00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: Oh right to me.

989
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: I think she's doing it like I can't think of

990
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Speaker 1: something that I haven't seen.

991
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: You know what I would like to see hysteria podcast.

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00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to know. I would like to see Katie

993
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Speaker 1: interview her. I think that like a real hour long

994
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: sit down. Actually the more traditional because they're killing it

995
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Speaker 1: on social media, you know what I mean, Like the

996
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Lance Bass Bye Bye bye, all those things. I mean,

997
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Speaker 1: if I've seen them, I can't imagine what everybody else

998
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Speaker 1: is seeing because I'm not even that online. But I

999
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: actually think i'd like to see her do a full

1000
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: hour sit down with Katie and introduce herself to people

1001
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Speaker 1: who do not.

1002
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Speaker 2: Know her that well. I interviewed her in January and

1003
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Speaker 2: we're reaching out obviously to her folks. I'd kind of

1004
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Speaker 2: like to do a day in the life of her

1005
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Speaker 2: campaign and really be a fly on the wall and

1006
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: obviously get a chance to talk to her to just

1007
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Speaker 2: but to really see who she is. I think almost

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Speaker 2: I think I think a sit down interview wouldn't necessarily

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00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: reflect or convey her true essence in a way.

1010
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: No, I think your day in the life is a

1011
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: better idea.

1012
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: You know, And I think she gets a little tripped up,

1013
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: and I think it becomes sort of formal, and I

1014
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: would love for like to be there when she's meeting

1015
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: with her staff, to be there, you know, when she's

1016
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: going to a campaign rally, to talk to her, like

1017
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Speaker 2: to be there when she's talking to President Biden. Maybe

1018
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: something happened in Israel. I don't know, you know, I

1019
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 2: would love to be a fly on the wall. I

1020
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Speaker 2: don't think she would ever let me. I think it

1021
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: would be awesome.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's the best I think that

1023
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: would be the best format.

1024
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Speaker 5: So those both sound like pretty traditional media.

1025
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're basic old bitches, Caroline, I.

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Speaker 2: Guess it does. But I mean she you know, listen,

1027
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Speaker 2: she did an interview with me and we put it

1028
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Speaker 2: in our newsletter and on social media and on YouTube.

1029
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Speaker 2: So that's kind of non traditional and you know, I

1030
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: think I'm a little burned by President Biden doing like

1031
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: Conan O'Brien and Howard Stern. And I think those are

1032
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: great as long as you don't do it, as long

1033
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: as you don't avoid serious interviews. Not that they weren't serious,

1034
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: but they really weren't very policy oriented and they were

1035
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: more kind of like origin story stuff. And I think

1036
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Speaker 2: that she needs to do some fun things, but she,

1037
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Speaker 2: I really really hope won't shy away from doing big

1038
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Speaker 2: interviews with the New York Times, with the Wall Street Journal,

1039
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, with very with network news anchors, with former

1040
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: network news anchors, because I think, you know, honestly, not

1041
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: everyone can do an interview, and not everyone understands public policy.

1042
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I'm like this public policy wonk,

1043
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: but you know, we need people who know how to

1044
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: ask importance questions and follow up.

1045
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, here's an interesting question. Given the GOP's clear goal

1047
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 5: to make America Gilead again, if we hold the White House,

1048
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 5: could it be possible slash beneficial to create a Secretary

1049
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 5: or Director of Reproductive Rights and Maternal Affairs.

1050
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: Sure, that's a really interesting idea.

1051
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely it could be a White House position, it could

1052
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: be at HHS. There are like a lot of places

1053
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: that that position could live. And I do think specifically

1054
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: about maternal mortality. It is something that needs to be addressed.

1055
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: America is like a third world nation.

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00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: Yes, a terrible, terrible er department also paid family leave.

1057
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 2: You know, my friend Reshmasu Johnny has done incredible work

1058
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: in that area. There are other people who are working

1059
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: on it and organizations. I think she was just elated

1060
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: that a question was asked about that in the CM debate,

1061
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: not that they really answered it, but you know, I

1062
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: think that this will usher in a new era of

1063
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: people caring more deeply about women and women's issues and

1064
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: family issues which are really not women's issues. So I

1065
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: think that's a really good idea. I'd like to nominate

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Speaker 2: the person who came up with it.

1067
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Speaker 1: Yes, send us your resume. We'll send it in.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Katie, we got this question so many times that

1069
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Speaker 5: I'm just going to ask it to you. Uh yeah,

1070
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Speaker 5: how did you keep a straight face during your famous

1071
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 5: Sarah Palin interview?

1072
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Speaker 2: You know, I very consciously went into that interview knowing

1073
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: that that people who supported her and she was an

1074
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Speaker 2: incredible candidate, incredibly charismatic. Initially, I mean, she just blew

1075
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: the lid off the RNC with that speech, and my

1076
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: friend Nicole Wallace was helping her, and you know, signs

1077
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: were blocking the teleprompter. She ad libbed that li stick

1078
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: on you know, what's the difference between a soccer mom

1079
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: and hockey mom and a pitbull lipstick? So I just

1080
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: knew that she was pretty light. I didn't know she

1081
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: was light on public policy, but I knew that that

1082
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: hadn't really been properly mined. I guess Charlie Gibson had

1083
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Speaker 2: done something, but there was plenty of wood to chop.

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Speaker 2: And I knew that people would blame me for being

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Speaker 2: too confrontational or aggressive or whatever. I went in there saying,

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Speaker 2: I am not going to look at her a skance,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to smirk, I'm not going to look

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Speaker 2: condescending that. I am just going to have no expression

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Speaker 2: at all, because I knew people would blame me if

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Speaker 2: she didn't have the right answer or stumbled or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So you know, and also as a person, I also

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Speaker 2: felt bad for her, you know, because I saw it

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Speaker 2: was pretty evident, and also her speaking cadence I think

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Speaker 2: made it almost exacerbated the situation. But it was pretty

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Speaker 2: evident that she wasn't quite ready for prime time and

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Speaker 2: that she was struggling. And if you're in a situation

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Speaker 2: like that, you feel bad, you know, unless you have

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Speaker 2: ice water running through your veins. So I would never

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Speaker 2: have laughed or embarrassed her further she was honestly, it

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Speaker 2: was kind of she was doing it herself by kind

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Speaker 2: of kind of throwing in everything but the kitchen sink

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Speaker 2: when she answered some questions. So for those reasons, I

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Speaker 2: would I just didn't want to react to anything she said.

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Speaker 5: It's a great answer. Actually, Okay, two more questions. The

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Speaker 5: first is I never thought about it before, but I

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Speaker 5: guess the Summer Olympics are always the same year as

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Speaker 5: a presidential election. How does that affect a campaign having

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Speaker 5: the Summer Olympics always during the same year.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you my my reflection on this

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Speaker 1: was in two thousand and eight. It was Beijing, Katie right, right,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. And the Crooked family will know

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Speaker 1: the name Ben Rhodes, of course, and Ben Rhodes and

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Speaker 1: I used to check in every morning about what had

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Speaker 1: happened on the Olympics. It was actually the most like

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Speaker 1: August is a grind, like you still have July and August,

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Speaker 1: like there's still so much time left on the campaign.

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Speaker 1: I mean not really in Kamala's case, but for us,

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Speaker 1: and everything was just we were so tired and the

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Speaker 1: Olympics brought us such joy like we would like I

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Speaker 1: would pretend to do like a dismount or like stick

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Speaker 1: the landing in front of Ben's desk, and it was

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Speaker 1: just it was the it really I loved it. I

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Speaker 1: think we should always have this because there is something

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Speaker 1: about America excellence right Like we're watching the Olympics now

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, fuck, this is great, Like it

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Speaker 1: just I don't know, I find it. It is nothing

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Speaker 1: but upside.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've also been struck by the diversity

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Speaker 2: at the Olympics, when dei has suddenly become a dirty word.

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Speaker 2: You look at those, you look at the US gymnastics team,

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Speaker 2: and they look like America, you know. And I saw

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Speaker 2: a post that was done by the NAACP of a

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Speaker 2: little five year old on a balance being at her home.

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Speaker 2: I think she was doing things and how inspired she was.

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Speaker 2: She was black, little black girl and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, representation matters so so so much, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like we've seen a sea change and representation in

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Speaker 2: the best possible way, and I think it's so thrilling

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Speaker 2: and so I don't know, to me, the Olympics are

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Speaker 2: emblematic of this is this is this is our country

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Speaker 2: and isn't it fucking great?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: This year, that's what I think. I think we're reminded

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Speaker 2: like like we're all from different backgrounds in different countries

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Speaker 2: and you know, you know, and came from different places,

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Speaker 2: and some of us are immigrants and some of us

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Speaker 2: are from mixed race families, and isn't it great? Isn't

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Speaker 2: it a beautiful thing? And in terms of messing with

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Speaker 2: the election, that was just sort of my personal observation

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Speaker 2: this year. It's just a lot of work because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about people like Savannah Guthrie, who you know,

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Speaker 2: she's in Paris and then she'll be in Chicago and

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Speaker 2: so they'll be like like, I've got to switch gears

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly. It's just a very intense, intense period and

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Speaker 2: you know, shout out to everybody who's working their butts

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Speaker 2: off covering both these events.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a fun final question, Can we ourselves

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Speaker 5: dream for a moment and discuss what it would be

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Speaker 5: like to have a woman as president?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we can. Can.

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Speaker 1: It's I don't even know if we can. It's so

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Speaker 1: funny because after twenty sixteen, you're like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: can't get ahead of myself, can't get too excited. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not dissimilar. Oh my god, what

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Speaker 1: if I cry? It's not dissimilar to what Katie was

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Speaker 1: just saying about the Olympics. It's like and the little

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Speaker 1: girl on the balance beam, it's like, if you can

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Speaker 1: see it, you can dream it. And when we were

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Speaker 1: in the White House, the number there is a there

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Speaker 1: is a very famous picture Katie, I know you'll know

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Speaker 1: it of a little boy touching and Obama's hair. And

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Speaker 1: the point of that picture, which stayed up in the

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Speaker 1: West Wing all eight ears, was that the little boy

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe the president had the same hair he did.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's like what we're waiting for in

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Speaker 1: a woman president to be like, you know what, there

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Speaker 1: might be tampons in the White House, like they're like

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Speaker 1: like all of the things that someone who's had some

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Speaker 1: sort of lived experience that's adjacent yours is good enough

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Speaker 1: to be the leader of the free world. And I

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Speaker 1: think that so much will change in how we see

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Speaker 1: ourselves when that happens, even if intellectually we tell ourselves

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Speaker 1: we are equal, we are worthy all of this. I

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Speaker 1: think seeing you know, if we're able to see Kamala

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Speaker 1: up outside the Capitol in January, that will be a

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Speaker 1: moment that we can't even imagine right now sitting here.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel, and I think it is, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a woman of my generation born in nineteen fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, I'm sixty seven now. My daughters are

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Speaker 2: thirty three and twenty eight. You know, we used to

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Speaker 2: have t shirts I think from like Margaret from Dennis

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Speaker 2: Samenaz saying I want to be the first being of president.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember those.

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Speaker 1: I do remember, yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: It is something that we have fantasized about, truly, and

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, I think we have to be able

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Speaker 2: to imagine it and envision it. And I really think

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Speaker 2: it's not only that Kamala Harris is a woman. I

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Speaker 2: think that she's a mixed race woman. I think that

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Speaker 2: she's a younger woman and you know, represents generational change.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody not too long ago, and

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Speaker 2: this was when I was on the Today Show with

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Speaker 2: Brian Gumbel, and it was I guess in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: two when Bill Clinton won and to see Hillary and

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Speaker 2: Bill and Tipper and al all I think in their

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Speaker 2: mid forties. Right back then, it was like wow. And

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Speaker 2: with Fleetwood Mac singing and stop thinking about tomorrow, it

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Speaker 2: did represent a new era and new hope and a

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Speaker 2: sea change. I felt the same way obviously when President

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Speaker 2: Obama was elected president and came out with Michelle and

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Speaker 2: they're two girls. You know, there was just something so

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Speaker 2: beautiful and exquisite about that moment, right it represented the

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Speaker 2: possibility of America. So I think we can imagine it,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's incredibly exciting, and I think there

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Speaker 2: is a lot of work to do and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people to be brought along and a lot of understanding.

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Speaker 2: I wish, you know, I wish there could be more

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Speaker 2: understanding between people who are not like minded and more

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Speaker 2: honest conversations because I don't like the current climate and

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Speaker 2: the hate and vitriol that seems to be coming too

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Speaker 2: often from both sides. So, but anyway, I think it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's really, you know, an exciting moment in

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Speaker 2: my lifetime and in the lifetime of our country.

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