1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored Alchemedo cheriots to keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come dropping Dropping Jim. Hey, 15 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: welcome back another episode of the Dropping Gym's podcast per Usual. 16 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Stebbie Brown. Thank you for being here. 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: This is where we explore higher consciousness for real life 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: and hopefully drop a few gyms along the way. Big 19 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: shout out to everybody that has taken the time to 20 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: rate and review. Love you so grateful. If you get 21 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: a chance today share with a friend, head to the 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: little subscription hit subscribe all the things. Uh, and today 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a really juicy conversation. I feel 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: really excited about today. UM. I feel grateful and excited 25 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: for every guest that Grace's this show. But today's guest 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: is someone that I've been following on Instagram and following 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: their music, and I really connected so deeply when I 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: was introduced to their most recent album, UM and just 29 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: sitting with the words and finding so much connection between 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: my spiritual lineage and his. So Today's guest is Lingdrelle, 31 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: and Atlanta based poet, author, and musician well known for 32 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: his spiritual poetry. His music uniquely combines ancient yoga philosophy 33 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: with Southern hip hop culture see Guys I Mean Sold 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Lundrelle has indefinitely released six studio albums, two of which 35 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: Stay Free and Self Care Package were released this year 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: under his label Eternal Sunshine. As a self published author, 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: he has released two books. His book on self help poetry, 38 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: also entitled Eternal Sunshine, was released in two thousand seventeen, 39 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: and he continues to inspire and illuminate minds. Lundrelle is 40 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: also the creator and voice of the popular mindful and 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: meditation app Eternal Sunshine, which provides daily inspiration and mindfulness 42 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: talks to its nearly one million daily users on job. 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you. It is a pleasure 44 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: and an honor and a blessing to finally be here 45 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: in the physical I know we have tons of interactions online, 46 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: uh you, me and Darlene and Becca as well, and 47 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: it's so great to to just be here in the 48 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: physical presence um and it just feel you're you're loving 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: vibrations here and now in the physical. Yeah, so beautiful. 50 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm so happy. I'm so happy to be spending this 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: time with you. I Um, a friend actually deemed me 52 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: some tracks from your album earlier in the year, and 53 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I clicked on your page and I was just like, 54 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: oh wow, oh this this feels like deepest truth, Like 55 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: I just really connected and I started listening to your 56 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: work and it was really interesting for me, like I 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: love I love the whole. I love the way you 58 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: share your gift. And as someone that came from the 59 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: music industry and from a music background and really felt 60 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: called to move in a different space, um, a lot around. 61 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: A lot of it was around the music that I 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: was playing every day when I worked on the radio, 63 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Like I loved it. Hip hop is what made me 64 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: really start my career and broadcasting. But then there were 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: so many things that I'd play and I'd say, ah, 66 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean like I don't want to tell you all 67 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: to do drugs, Like I don't want to tell you 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: guys to have um sex that feels meaningless or minimizing, 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to have enthusiasm as I introduce 70 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: themes that I think are actually really repressive to our 71 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: minds and our souls and um, really limiting. And so 72 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: when I was able to start playing your album, it 73 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: just engulfed me. I mean, you were speaking my language, 74 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: you were speaking I was like, oh my god, yes, 75 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: I love that. Oh that piece of philosophy meant so 76 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: much to me. And you know, when I was hearing 77 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: the way that you so beautifully just blended these world worlds, 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, like just used it really felt like you 79 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: were like a divine translator of this really ancient work 80 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: and this ancient path and sharing it in a way 81 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: that you know, sonically, it's like the vibrations right you're 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: so important and like invadic lineage. Um, you know I 83 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: learned P s M. That's how I meditate mantra based 84 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: in script sounds and so what that does to the 85 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: inside of you, right, Like the vibration don't even have 86 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: to have words as a translation. It's the tone. It's 87 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: the vibrational quality in your face and your body. And 88 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: so hearing your music, I was just like, oh wow, yeah, yeah, 89 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: he's on a mission to heal. Yeah, that's a beautiful reflection. 90 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: And I truly do agree that the music of the 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: like manstream music, Um, it's it's truly trapped music. It 92 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: keeps you trapped encyclical living, um, you know, emotions and 93 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: things of that in that nature and you're never really 94 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: consciously you know, living out your your life. And so 95 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: I think I make liberation music instead of trapped music. 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: I make music to liberate, you know, to liberate others 97 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: and to liberate myself. And I guess that's why my 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: last album was you know, stay free, stay free, stay liberated, 99 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: and you know, just you know, live consciously, live mindfully, 100 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: um and live soulfully, I should say, And because that 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: is our nature and you know, um, I create music 102 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: from the soul, you know, and like you said, translating that, 103 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: so I get downloads all the time. You know. My 104 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: downloads are in the form of poetry, um and music 105 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: and song. And you know, the practice, you know, just 106 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: prepares me to receive. And I just allow myself to 107 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: be a vessel, allow myself to be an instrument, and 108 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: just you know, do the work and let the work 109 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: do itself. Yeah, that's good. Let the work do itself. Yeah, 110 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: because it's not all about working, you know. And I 111 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: think we use that term because it is. It's a 112 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: beautiful work. It's a delicate work, very systematic work. But 113 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: so many people stay from the path because you hear 114 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: the word work and it's oh, but life is already 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: hardy do I want? It's playing? Right, It's the it's 116 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: the divine play that we're in. It's a dance. And 117 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: so you know, we can make it work, and it 118 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: can be very strenuous, and we can struggle and all 119 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: that that struggle is truly self inflicted. But if we 120 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: learn to dance and play with it, because we are 121 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: co creating, co creators, and this experience and everything is 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: working for us, you know, everything is working for us, 123 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: and everything is you know, everything works for the greater 124 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: good of each and every person involved, you know, So 125 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: it's not so much work, it's more so uh, cooperative 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: collaboration with life and with each other, active participation. Yeah. 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: So I've got to know more about your path to yourself. 128 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: So a little bit of your background. You were born 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: in Florida, right, I was born in Florida, born in Florida. 130 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: Moved to Atlanta around two thousand and twelve. You went 131 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: to the Thune Cookman University, so you were I mean 132 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: you're steeped in culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you 133 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: find specifically the Vedic path? Because the Vedic path, I 134 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: think we've all those who are awakened in this moment. 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: I believe you know, we've always been awakened. It's just remembering. 136 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: So we'll remember little moments in our childhood where you're like, 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: oh wow, I was wise as fuck, Like how did 138 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: I know? Like you know, um, and then you get 139 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: like more layers. But I think huge shifts really in 140 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: the way that I've noticed. It really started happening around 141 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen. I think where so many of 142 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: us there was something I don't know yet what it was. 143 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: I've looked into the astrology of it, but there was 144 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: something in the air that really shifted things for a 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of us and made us I feel maybe I'm 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, but really kicked purpose and to 147 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: overdrive in a new way, you know. Um. And I like, 148 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: I've been on this path my whole life. And I 149 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: was like definitely the middle schooler that read self help 150 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: books and stuff. I didn't know what the hell any 151 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: of it. I was intellectualized that I was interested. Um. 152 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: But when I really connected specifically to like primordial sound 153 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: meditation and the path of Vidic wisdom and you know, 154 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: reading reading all the sacred text that that was my deepening. 155 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: I think that was my biggest undoing. And it is 156 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: rare that I find other people, especially other people from 157 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: our community, that chose that specific lineage. And so how 158 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: did you how did you return home in this way? Yeah? 159 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: And I was about to say it was a returning 160 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: home and I think it's just coming back to remembering, um. 161 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: And it was in two thousand and fifteen, so around 162 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: like two thousand and sixteen, where where you said. I 163 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: think during that time it was just a lot of 164 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: things for me. It was on like social media, like traumatizing, 165 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: just scenes and depictions of you know, black men being 166 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: black men, and women and children being murdered, and that 167 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: kind of like you know, traumatized us into awakening and 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: to seeking UM. And for me, that that just around 169 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: the time where I found um or came home to 170 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: because you know, Vedic literature and philosophy sound it feels 171 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: so much like home to me, so much like home 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: to me. Even the words just I picked up, you know, 173 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: I picked up the baggid and I just automatically started 174 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: to you know, I'd like to understand and to be 175 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: able to find the tongue for the Sanskrit, you know, 176 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: without even like you know, trying, without even like um, 177 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: having any introduction to it before. Then you know, it 178 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: just kind of came back natural to me. UM. So 179 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I know that somewhere in my existent existence I had 180 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: studied or I had been a practitioner. But it was 181 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen for me when I first started 182 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: really to go deeper inward um and just seeking more 183 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: meanings to life. I'm a natural seeker um, and I 184 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: always like question things and inquire about things, but two 185 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen is when I really like became a true seeker. UM. 186 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: I think it started UM with the death of Michael 187 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: Brown and Us Ferguson and I had organized the run 188 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: from Atlanta to St. Louis eight hundred and forty mile 189 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: run UM as a way to raise awareness for that 190 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: situation and raised funds for the UM for the family 191 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: UM during their time of grief and during their time 192 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: of need. UM. And so I organized the run, me 193 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: and a partner, ME and my friend. We ran every 194 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: day for twenty one days from from Atlanta to uh 195 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: St St. Louis Ferguson, Missouri. UM. Very tiring, very daunting, 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: very just like I just shed a lot in that 197 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: as well. You know, you know, we were in like 198 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: forty miles a day, UM, and you know, uh, there's 199 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: pictures on the internet. When we finally arrived there, you know, 200 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: I was just bawling out in tears, just because you know, 201 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: giving so much life, energy, life force to a cause, 202 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: to a purpose really opened me up to universal service, 203 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: universal compassion, universal love and just you know, carrying on 204 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: a deeper and more profound level for for someone outside 205 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: of myself, UM, and you know the world at large. 206 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: And so I did that and maybe like a few 207 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: a few months later, Um, I was just doing some 208 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: backpacking because I was still so searching, because I was 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: trying to cope with these new thoughts, these new downloads, 210 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: this new understanding, this new clarity and life, this new 211 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: perception of life. UM and I UM. I was traveling 212 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: by foot from from Atlanta to d C. This time 213 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: for the fiftieth anniversary of the Million Man March, I believe, 214 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: and so I just decided to to backpack there and 215 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: also raise money for the for for Sandra Blend and 216 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: her family as well. UM. But on that on that journey, 217 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: I just started to I would stay in hotels like 218 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: that were owned by Indian people or or or Hindu 219 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: people or are I'll just go to a gas station 220 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: and I'll see just like an arms symbol, or I'll 221 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: just see something, uh a deity. But I didn't really 222 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: like pay attention to it. And one one day, UM, 223 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: it had been raining all day, UM, and I was 224 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: running in the rain all day. And usually I just 225 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: stay in the hotel one day and and leave as 226 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm traveling, but this day it just it would not 227 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: stop raining, would not stop raining. And so the next 228 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: day I got up to leave, I just asked, can 229 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: I have an extra day? And as I was leaving 230 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: the lobby, there was a book. There was a Boggle 231 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: of Agia on the on the table, and automatically I 232 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: just picked it up and I haven't put it down since. 233 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, that was kind of my reintroduction to 234 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: UM Eastern philosophy because I had not read, like I 235 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: guess the closest thing to Eastern Philosophy I probably have 236 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: ever read before then was probably The Alchemist and that 237 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: type of poetic type, neistical type UM explanation and storyline. 238 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: But UM, I picked up the bogg of Geta then, 239 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I've been just picking up Eastern philosophy 240 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: and traditions UM ever since. And it resonates so deeply 241 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, that's so beautiful. That book is so 242 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: um delicious, like it's a feast that I remember when 243 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I first read that book, I was actually doing UM. 244 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: I was doing the P s M training at chopra 245 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: Um that might have been roomy was a big piece 246 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: of like my journey, like hearing UM the beauty in 247 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: the language of connecting to yourself, also the ideology around 248 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: allowing darkness to be your candle, you know, like allowing 249 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: your darkness to be your light. That was the piece 250 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: that I think began to teach me grace about being 251 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: able to be steeped in the process, you know. And 252 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: I think even reflecting back to how we were starting 253 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: this conversation around work, it's like, you know, a lot 254 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: of the work is us just moving our mind around 255 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: to be able to understand that things don't have to 256 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: be hard, that there is opportunity to heal with grace 257 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: and ease, um and beauty, you know, the beautiful language, hearing, hearing, 258 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: spiritual reflections. M Yeah, that's truly that, that is truly, uh, 259 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, beautiful that we can draw upon words for 260 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: for life. You know, Um, I have I have a 261 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: way with words, but I have a relationship with words 262 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: as well. I can just actually like just coming up 263 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: with them, reading them. There it's just a life in 264 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: its own and um, like you said, you know, we 265 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: go back to we just have to move on our 266 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: minds around to you know, receive the words and receive 267 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: the energy behind the words, because sometimes it's not just 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: the words, it's the energy that comes that the consciousness 269 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: behind those words. Even the person like you know, uh, roomy. 270 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: You know there's a consciousness behind his words, and so 271 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: receiving his words, you have receiving you have received his vibrations, 272 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: his energy, his consciousness, and that's what with anything. And 273 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, even words that we don't understand, like a 274 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: different language or sanscrit and mantras especially, they are so 275 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: powerful though they may just like look like words, and 276 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, sounds and vibrations that that work, that work 277 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: on on the being and the body and the emotions 278 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: in a very subtle way. And as you know, they're 279 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: like tools and instruments too. And UM sometimes can be 280 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: used as weapons um, especially in Um in ancient sense 281 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: created history, you know, mantos was used. Words were used 282 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: as weapons and ways of um and battle and things 283 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: of that nature. And they speak about that in the 284 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: box of a guida um the counk sheils and each 285 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: each um, each ponderva Um warrior had different kunk shells 286 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know they use those kunk shells to to fight, 287 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, and battles. So you know, words have truly 288 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: words for me, our life, words for me a life. Wow, 289 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about so you have quite the body of work. 290 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: And you know when I when I found your your 291 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: project that I let off with, UM, your most recent 292 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: which was Stay Free, And then I've been investigating you 293 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: have a total of six albums that you've released since 294 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: twenty x team, and I'd love to I'd love to 295 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: really explore because as you're talking about, even like you 296 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: always knew you had a gift of words, like, it 297 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: seems that words have always been your destiny. Um, and 298 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: you originally use words through poetry. How did you find 299 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: that language was your key even before you transitioned into 300 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: the first album, even before you transitioned I think to 301 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: this Vedic path, like, how did you unlock that words 302 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: were your tool? Um? I think it started really as 303 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: uh in childhood because I wasn't really a speaker. I'm not. 304 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm still just not much of a like an extra 305 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: varied person just talking all the time. I was very quiet. 306 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: But because of my upbringing, UM, you know, childhood trauma, 307 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: UM you know, and living living with a parent who 308 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: was very violent and rageful and things of that nature, 309 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: very abusive mentally, verbally and physically. UM, it kind of 310 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: pushed me deeper within myself. UM. I was always already 311 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: introspective and introverted, but being in a in a household 312 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: that didn't encourage expressiveness or vulnerability. Um, I had to 313 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: find that space within myself. I had to create that space, um, 314 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: within myself. And um, you know, I hardly remember any 315 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: of my childhood because I was totally disassociating from my environment. 316 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: But words weren't my escape. And through words I found 317 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: I created new worlds within myself. Um. And through writing, 318 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: I created, you know, new a new reality for me 319 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: that I could just go in and escape too. So 320 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: I guess you know, my writings were my My writings 321 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: were the result of me trying to communicate with or 322 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: my highest self, trying to communicate you know, with me 323 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: in my my lowest state and you know, being a 324 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: child and things of that nature. So that's how I 325 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: became acquainted with words and trusting words and just the 326 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: relationship and the connection that I have with words. That 327 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: was like the every beginning. And so I started right 328 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: just writing it probably not poetry, but just starting started writing, 329 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: like um when I was a kid, and um, just 330 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: to escape my uh seeming reality. UM that was so 331 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: very like daunting at times and hunting at times, and 332 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: just you know, I did not as a kid, I 333 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: did not want to live. I did not want to 334 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: be alive because it was just just that that treacherous, 335 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: even in my home, um, and even outside of my homes. 336 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: So words were my escape. You know, words were my escape, 337 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: um and they still are. They still are a way 338 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: to escape and create. Um what I say, Once they 339 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: create words free me words free me now um. And 340 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, that was like the very beginning of my writings. 341 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: And then in high school it developed too more to 342 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: more poetry and hit that hip hop because that was 343 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: the culture and it still is the culture. And and 344 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: so that was like the thing to do. That's what 345 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: you see on TV. So you you emulate. You know, 346 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: what you see consciousness reflects consciousness. And so for me, 347 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, seeing seeing like seeing people that are good 348 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: with words. But it's more so rapping wasn't really spoken word. 349 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: It was more so a hip hop and rap. So 350 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: that's how you know, I can you know, easily translate 351 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: or you know, seamlessly, seemingly seamlessly um flow from you know, 352 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: philosophy into hip hop and integrate the philosophy and the 353 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: words of value and mindfulness and you know, healthy vibrations 354 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: into hip hop is because you know the early on 355 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: exposure to that. You know. Yeah, I'd love to sit 356 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: um in this moment for just a second and ask 357 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: you some of the mechanics because something you just shared, 358 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: UM really beautifully and thank you so much for giving 359 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: such insight into your life, because I think it's so 360 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: so incredibly important for people to know what's possible for them. 361 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: And like what you just described, UM with how you 362 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: were made to experience yourself and UM, the lack of 363 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: being able to feel fully safe and free inside of 364 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: yourself as a child, which is so fundamental and so 365 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: foundational for how we then view ourselves in every other 366 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: iteration of us throughout our lifetimes. UM. I think so 367 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: many of us can relate to what you said, and 368 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: I think especially so many people within black and brown communities, 369 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: because even if that chaos was not inside the home, 370 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: for so many, that chaos is always reflected everywhere outside 371 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: of the home and all the structures in place that 372 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: keep it going. UM. And what really feels like an 373 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: apathy from the world towards UM, you know, towards black 374 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: and brown bodies experiences. UM. So as you walk this 375 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: path now, is someone who you know will always be seekers. 376 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: But you are embodied. You know you are integrated. You 377 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: are in alignment with yourself, with your soul, with your 378 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: highest vision, highest timelines, highest self. How do you sit with, um, 379 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: the things you've overcome in this moment? How do you 380 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: how do you integrate what can be a really painful 381 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: past foundational experience? You know, those are the things that 382 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: we can never forget because it started us as where 383 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: we are. So it's um, you know, the trauma. How 384 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: do you move with grief? How do you experience as 385 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: this version of yourself? UM, some of those wounds as 386 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: you look back on them as they're healing or have 387 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: been healed. Yeah, beautiful question, UM, and thank you for 388 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: allowing me to go back and revisit that. UM. But yeah, 389 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: as as you know, like you said, being embodied and 390 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: being here now I can go back into the darkness 391 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: with light and like you said, like um, you know, 392 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: like the room in quote allowing your your darkness to 393 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: be your candle. UM. And Uh, I don't shy away 394 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: from the darkness. I don't like push it away. I 395 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: don't resist it. Because you know, this life, this experience 396 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: that we have, requires contrast, It requires the duality of 397 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: light and darkness, and we can't have a picture without 398 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: the negative and the positive. And so I understand that 399 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: it's going from you know, going from Greece grief, sorry, 400 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: going from grief and to grace, you know, having grace 401 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: with myself, you know, and just you know, really allowing 402 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: myself to feel like like early, like early in my life, 403 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: I was I was made to be so emotionally numb, 404 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: so emotionally numb to everything, and so um, you kind 405 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: of cut yourself off from an important aspect of you 406 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: because life is all feeling, you know, the reason that 407 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: we're here, because we are intuitively feeling that we are 408 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: in this room in the studio having a conversation with 409 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: ourselves and in a different expression, and so um, it's 410 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: just really allowing myself to feel whatever that whatever is, 411 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: and whatever is is and that's all that is. If 412 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: it's if it's light, if it's darkness, it's pain, if 413 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: it's hurt, it's there, and it's an experience that can 414 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: teach you something. It's an experience that you can grow from, 415 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: it's something that you can you know, build upon. And 416 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: so for me, there's a level of non resistance to 417 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: the light to the dark and just all acceptance of 418 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: everything because we are everything and everything is happening within 419 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: us and then so um, it really takes a lot 420 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: of patience with yourself, grace with yourself, and understanding with yourself. 421 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: But I understand that. You know, I've been through the 422 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: worst of situations, so everything on a larger scale, everything 423 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: is so very small to me. You know, I think 424 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: we can all say that no matter what we face 425 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: going forward in life, it compares not to what we've 426 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: been through, you know, it never compares. And and just 427 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: how traumatized because we we have gained a level of aware, 428 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: earnest and wisdom, and wisdom allows us to remove obstacles 429 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: that that once seems so big, but now they're just 430 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: so very small. So as we go through go through life, 431 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, we progress through life. There's a certain level 432 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: of for all of us, an awakening that naturally happened. 433 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Some of us, it's it's slower than others, and some 434 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: of us is much more aware and we are more 435 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: aware of that. But um, for me, it's really just 436 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: sitting with everything and being with everything and non resistance 437 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: to anything. Hold that thought we are coming right back 438 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: when I was listening to your album Stay Free. The 439 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: thing that was really striking to me is I love 440 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: the cover you were Um, it's such a beautiful, gorgeous 441 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: photograph of you as a little boy. And you know, 442 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: it's just I don't know the resilience of children, and 443 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: it's so phenomenal, the resilience of heart, you know, the 444 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: ability to really be open. We talked on this show 445 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: quite a bit about reparenting and a lot of the 446 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: inner child work and mirror work and you know, all 447 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: the things that grief work, things that you can do 448 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: to come back inside of your body and be there 449 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: and live there and feel safe there. What would this 450 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: version of you stay back to the little boy on 451 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: that cover of Stay Free. Yes, stay free, truly, Yes, 452 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: stay free. Allow yourself to feel, um, allow yourself to heal. 453 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's okay to feel. It's okay to cry, 454 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: it's okay to be sensitive, it's okay to be exactly 455 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: where you are, you know, because without you know, without this, 456 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: you would not become this, you know, And so I 457 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: honor that, honor the child and me, and I still 458 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, have conversations with the child and me because 459 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: I know that timeline it's still existing somewhere in time 460 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: and just going back there consciously, you know, because we 461 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: are all time traveling. You know, we are all time travelers. 462 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: We're time traveling now for these conversations. And you know, 463 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: our past is still happening now, our future is happening now. 464 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: So it's being able to consciously understand that and have 465 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: that conversation now because it's happening now, you know. And 466 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: so I can lend wisdom to myself in that timeline. Um, 467 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: and He'll heal my inner child in this timeline. You know. Yes, 468 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: this is a whole another conversation now that I want 469 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: to have with you off the off the mic about 470 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: some things. UM. Yeah, and that I love that you 471 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: said that because you know, as I experience of my 472 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: own reparenting and beautiful childhood work, you know, and as um, 473 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: certain phrases are really being utilized more and more like 474 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: reflections on ancestral trauma, on intergenerational trauma, you know. The 475 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: some the joy for me and doing the work is 476 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: knowing that truly, as I heal myself now in this moment, 477 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: as I stand in the grace of myself and allow 478 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: myself to be radiant and free, that all of that 479 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: goodness is healing the younger version of it. And so 480 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: the way that I've I've been kind of experiencing it 481 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: or thinking of it in my mind is that life 482 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: is feeling so good and full now because actually my 483 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: past has been completely rebuilt, um re experienced. And so 484 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: when I feel the true true depth of freedom that 485 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: I feel right now, I'm like, yeah, of course this 486 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: as possible, not just because I've healed myself at this moment, 487 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: but all of that healing went backwards, so technically energetically 488 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: on a cellular level, that trauma hasn't actually happened. It's 489 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: been it's been removed. And when we think of like 490 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: that kind of lineage work, that ancestral healing, like the 491 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: intention really is what I you Now, I am sending 492 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: back and I'm sending forward. Yeah, So beautiful gave me 493 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: cheals and just to feel that energy and to actually 494 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: like you know, receive that energy and integrate that energy 495 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: into just my conscious awareness as I'm receiving it, and 496 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: it's going backward and forward in time for me as well. 497 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: So thank you for that that gym dropping gems on 498 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: on my and my heart and my soul of my life. 499 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: I truly felt that, and you know received that, and truly, 500 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: you know affirmed that as well. Not only are we 501 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: healing ourselves, but we are healing all all all versions 502 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: of ourselves are our ancestors as well as we heal 503 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: because we haven't we our ancestors have incarnated as us 504 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: to heal themselves. You know. Okay, wait can I Oh 505 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: my god, we have to go somewhere with this right now. 506 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: I have to share this thought I've I've been kind 507 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: of savoring recently, and I would love your take on it, UM, 508 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: because I feel like we really speak the same language 509 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: in a lot of said and unset ways. I thought 510 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: that occurs to me, right we think of especially UM 511 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: for our lineage, it is we're really rooted in the 512 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: understanding of reincarnation. UM. And you know, I know I've 513 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: reincarnated here. I've been here since the inception of Earth. 514 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: I've come back a bunch of times, and I've incarnated 515 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: in other realms a bunch of times. But this thought 516 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: was coming to me, UM. Okay, so let me start here. 517 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I need to try to make this makes sense because 518 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: it's only been going in my mind. So they there 519 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: was this there was this meme on Instagram, right, or 520 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: this this fact toy that said, um, that each of 521 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: us has around four thousand ancestors behind us. Right if 522 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: we do, if we really look back at all of 523 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: the generations of what it took for us to exist 524 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: here in this moment, it goes back roughly four thousand 525 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: people for each of us. And So when I was 526 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: putting in the thought process of reincarnation into that and 527 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: different lives I know I've had in different patterns and 528 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: experiences I've had, have done a lot of past life 529 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: regression work. It was interesting. Here's an example. I was 530 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: the thought I'm putting together in my mind that I'm 531 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: trying to get out is right now in this exact moment, 532 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: as I'm embodied as Devy to have this experience as me, 533 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: I am also on this earth in a million other 534 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: ways because as I right now have embodied as Devy 535 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: and I'm receiving the support of my benevolent ancestors in 536 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: this lineage of debby, I am also many people's ancestors 537 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: right now. So like one of the lives that I 538 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: had was um. I lived in China as a healer 539 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: in the thirteenth century. So that embodiment of my energy 540 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: and essence in China in thirte century is currently serving 541 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: as the benevolent ancestry for people in China at the 542 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: exact moment that I'm also me again here on Earth 543 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: and I'm receiving benevolent ancestry from this particular family line 544 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: that I'm inhabiting. Yeah, it's like it's just you know, 545 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: it's a cross network of just weaving in and out 546 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: of timelines, weaving in and out of um cultures, weaving 547 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: and as a healer to heal cultures, to heal generations, 548 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: to heal just different parts of the world. And I 549 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: think you know, we we all you know, like you said, 550 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: you know you are here, but you are also in 551 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: the thirteenth century healing that timeline to people in China 552 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: now and in China then. So it's just like a 553 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: network or a weaving in and out of just you know, healing, 554 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's so beautiful that you know, 555 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: reflected and have that have that revelation to have that 556 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: connection with your your your truest self, you're in her self, 557 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: to to know that you know, we are all time 558 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: traveling you know, to to realize that we are time traveling. 559 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: I think I just realized that yesterday, you know, I 560 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: realized that, you know, you know, I am here, but 561 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm also in another place or another timeline, doing the 562 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: same work, experiencing the same thing, and you know, just 563 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: just allowing myself to even though, you know, because that 564 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: can get kind of that can get kind of trippy, 565 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: trip trippy, and so you're just like you you the 566 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: mind starts to just weave and and it's different ways 567 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: and paths and so um, I see, like, you know, 568 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: I just opened my eyes after meditation and just just 569 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: allow myself to accept what is except you know, this 570 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: this vision and this experience, and just appreciate the walls, 571 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: appreciate the trees, appreciate the lights and everything that I 572 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: have in my memory now because memory, some Scotts, is 573 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: so very so so very deep that it goes deeper 574 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: than what the conscious mind can even like bring up 575 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: or whatever comes up in the conscious mind, and so 576 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: it's just a it's really it's really boundless. It's really boundless. Buns. Yeah, 577 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: you know. The part that felt really powerful for me 578 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: and that thought that I shared was this this knowingness 579 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: that that means that you know, there's no limits on anything, right, 580 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: Like it's everything is boundless, and when you tap into 581 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: that piece of it, there is nothing off limits to 582 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: any of us. And we all have the ability to 583 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: call in more power and more magnetism to ourselves because 584 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: we are existing here in so many ways. So yeah, 585 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call I'm gonna call in some of that 586 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: soul power from century ancestral meat that's currently running around 587 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: and all the other versions. Like there's so many pieces 588 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: of our souls that we can call in to be remembered, 589 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: to utilize for this lifetime. Yeah, and I fully believe that, 590 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: and I you know, to and to go further in 591 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: that or deeper in that into that it's understanding and 592 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: totality that everything is you. You know, everything is you. 593 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the cop out, but everything 594 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: is you. You know, every this an entire experience is 595 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: happening within you. The history it's a all your memory, 596 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, the history is all your memory. And we 597 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: have created ourselves, you know, in so many different forms 598 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: to experience ourselves in so many different forms, to tell 599 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: this story, to to dance, to play, to live to 600 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: love and experience whatever there is to experience, and to 601 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: to come back to ourselves. As Unda Ramda says, we're 602 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: just walking each other home. We're walking each other back 603 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: into ourselves. We're walking ourselves back to ourselves. And we 604 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: have that duty to serve, we have that duty to heal. 605 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: We have a responsibility to do the dharma of whatever 606 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: our dhama is, and it's okay to do it. And 607 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: whatever realm we're doing, whether it's music or you know, uh, 608 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: doing radio or using your voice or doing behind the scenes, 609 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: whatever your dharma is, do it and you can be 610 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: liberated through your dharma. It doesn't have to be the 611 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: strict ascetic path or path of renunciation. Whatever your dharma is, 612 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: do it and service and truth and knowing that you 613 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: are being liberated through that, through that activity, you know, 614 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: And it's all it's all sad enough. It's all the 615 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: spiritual practice, you know, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, 616 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: I love you. I love you too. I'm so happy 617 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: to be here with you, so happy to be here. Yeah, 618 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: you really, um, you occupy a really special, really really 619 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: special space because you're really at the intersection between deep 620 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: ancient knowledge um mastery in this life and also activism. 621 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're really occupying space as a 622 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: spiritual activists. Um, what does that feel like? And what 623 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: is your what is your deepest hope for your work? 624 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: In that way, UM, I feel I feel really really small. 625 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: I don't really see myself. UM in that way, I 626 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: just truly allow myself to be used. UM. I don't 627 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: really pay too much attention to Like, I know, I'm great. 628 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: I have confidence in myself, and I don't pay attention 629 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: to the greatness of that or the profoundness of it. 630 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: I you know, I I receive it. And I'm so 631 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: like so devotional in my in my journey that everything 632 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: isn't offering and to the divine. You know, everything is 633 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: offering and to divine. So I take nothing for myself 634 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: and just offer it to the divine. And that just 635 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: keeps me growing, That keeps me moving, that keeps me healing, 636 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: that keeps me just expanding into in my expansion. Because 637 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm not in it for me or my my glory, 638 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: my fame, my praise and my name. I'm really in 639 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: it for the praise and the glory of truth and 640 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: to to bring others truth as well. And the more 641 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: I like myself, the more I like others. And I 642 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: believe that's how we you know, that is the path 643 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: of enlightenment for me is to light myself and light others. 644 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: Though the whole world must be lit. The whole world 645 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: must be lit, you know. So Um, yes, So I 646 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: really don't pay too much attention to it. I just 647 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: allow myself to do my dharma, which is me through 648 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: music and poor tree and song, and however spirit chooses 649 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: to express itself through me, um spontaneously, I just allow it, 650 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: and I just make myself vulnerable to that. Mmmmm. I 651 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: love that so much. Something that I say, um, quite 652 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: often for myself is my entire life isn't offering to God. 653 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: My whole life is ritual. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about ritual. 654 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: What are some of what are some of the beautiful 655 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: practices that you enjoying your day? How do you how 656 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: do you ritualize for your healing and for your highest good? 657 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: More recently, it's been dancing sometimes, Like yesterday, I totally 658 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: totally like usually I I probably like meditate first thing, 659 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: first thing, but I just, um, I think I was 660 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: actually listening to the droper meditation the twenty one day 661 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: meditation and I just stopped and I just said, I 662 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: just wanted I want to dance. I want to dance. 663 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: I just put on some Bob Marley, let my hair 664 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: down because I normally don't have my hair down, just 665 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: and just just dance dance for like two hours, and 666 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: that was that was ecstasy for me. That was you know, 667 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: ritualizing my healing, putting that energy and motion, because sometimes 668 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: we can be staggnant and just wanting to be stell um, 669 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: but me like me open, trying to be or allowing 670 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: myself to be more vulnerable and more open and and 671 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: feel more. Um. I just had to just get up 672 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: and dance and just dance for two hours outside and 673 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: I had my headphone zone. So I'm sure people around 674 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: me like, what is he? What is he dancing too? Um? 675 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, I enjoyed it. But um more normally more 676 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: on on on the day to day thing. Um. You know, 677 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: I've had probably the same side enough for a spiritual 678 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: practice for like uh four or five years, five six 679 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: years actually, So for me, that's that's waking up when 680 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: the sun rise, rising with the sun and going straight 681 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 1: into my my practice of prani yama creas and uh 682 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: one to two hour meditation every day. UM. But for me, Uh, 683 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: that can seem like very mundane to the ordinary person 684 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: or to the person outside look in. But for me, 685 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 1: the practice is the goal. You know, there is nothing 686 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: beyond the practice. For me, there is nothing to attain that. 687 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: You know, everything is right here in the practice. Everything 688 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: is right here. And then in the very even the 689 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: smallest things that I'm doing, whether it's washing dishes or 690 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: cleaning out the tub or or or or meditating, it's 691 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: it's for me. It's all part of the spiritual practice, 692 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: and it's all integrated into UM opening my opening myself 693 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: up to to all that is. And so but I 694 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: cannot miss. I cannot miss I I can, but I 695 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: really don't prefer missing, Like you know, my my morning sadna, 696 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, rising with the sun and UM, doing uh 697 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: some asanas and brandi yamas and then in Korea and 698 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: then meditating UM for about an hour or so, and 699 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: then and then working my way into the flow of 700 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: the day whatever the day calls for. Oh, that sounds 701 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: so delicious, like that sounds like a feast to me 702 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: as you were describing it, UM, Because I'm really finding 703 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: that my practice. I couldn't fathom living without it, Like 704 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: it is my closest companion, Like my spiritual practice is 705 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: my best friend, you know, And even on a day 706 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: that's that I'm most tired, that's not something that would 707 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: ever not be on my list. And even just to 708 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: feel that feels so good, right, like especially especially knowing 709 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: all that you've walked through, like to even know like 710 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: for me recently you clicked and I was like, God, 711 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: that feels special to know that I have the ability 712 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: to meet my own needs in each moment. And that 713 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: may sound small or not, you know, not I think 714 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: people that have access that point understand the gravity to that. 715 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: But to just be able to know that each moment 716 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: is enough and whatever that looks like, yeah, that's beautiful. 717 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: That's that's realizing your enoughness, your your your wholeness, your fullness. 718 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: I think when we when we operate from a place 719 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: of lack, you know, we have so many needs, We 720 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: have so many needs when we operate from a place 721 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: of lack, But when we operate from a place of fullness, 722 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: there is total contentment and satisfaction with what is, and 723 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: we can just allow ourselves to be with what is 724 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: you know, and so stepping into you know mindfulness and 725 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: soulfulness and um are boundless nature, are infinite nature. Knowing 726 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,879 Speaker 1: your infiniteness, knowing your boundlessness allows you to just get 727 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: out of lack and step into that limitless space of 728 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: just freedom, personal freedom, you know, because you know you 729 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: have access to everything in the cosmos, in the universe, 730 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: right here and right now, because it's all here and 731 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: it's all within you. You know, it's all happening within 732 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: you and it comes out of you and manifest in 733 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: the physical. What does freedom feel like to you if 734 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: you could give it a sensation or give it a 735 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: few words, What does it feel like if it resides 736 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: in you? Freedom at this point in time in my 737 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: life feels like vulnerable reality. Just being open to everything, everyone, 738 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: every circumstance, not resisting anything, not shying away, not um retreating, 739 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: and just being vulnerable to everything that is not sometimes 740 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: not even just surrender. Total surrender and vulnerability is freedom. 741 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: Like you have nothing, you have nothing to protect, you 742 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: have nothing to safeguard. You're just you're just there as 743 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: you you know, and you just allow yourself to be 744 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: there as you you know, and that that sets the 745 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: tone for others to come. That sets the tone for 746 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: others to come as they are, and then we can 747 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: all be as we are and and free from judgment 748 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: or you know, condemning each other or judging or like 749 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: it said, judging each other and just allowing ourselves to be. 750 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: And that allows a person to stand in their personal 751 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: power when they can be who they are, you know, 752 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: no matter how it comes out, how it looks, because 753 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: we're we're all just figuring this out, you know, as 754 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: we go, and so truly there's no wronger right, you know, 755 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: it's just truth, you know, and living your truth and 756 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: speak your truth, and that will set you free. You know. 757 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: It is especially yummy to me, and I'd love your 758 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: thoughts on this um when you come into a space 759 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: of non judgment with yourself, My favorite gift to give 760 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: others is non judgment. Like I I feel so passionate 761 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,439 Speaker 1: about being able to hold space for the people in 762 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: my life and when they tell me something that is 763 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: really challenging for them, not um, not mirroring any of 764 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: it back to them, like being able to just hold 765 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: loving space, not fix it, which was the old me, 766 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: my old programming, not fix it right, like not try 767 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: to advise it, not try to manipulate it or change 768 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: it or get the person out of it, but to 769 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: just reflect non judgment back to them about whatever they're 770 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 1: holding um And it's such a revolutionary gift to give. 771 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: It really is, Like it sounds maybe simple, but we're 772 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: all trained to try to fix fix things. We're all 773 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: trained to try to be positive. Okay, well, you know 774 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: it's not as bad as everybody. You know, other people 775 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: have gone through worse or you know, all the things 776 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: that you tell people that are really just to alleviate 777 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: your own discomfort about their stories and their path. But 778 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: that non judgment piece, that's really it, Like each moment 779 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: being able to be with yourself and still accept yourself. Yeah, 780 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: I think it, you know, goes back to you know, 781 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: like you said, non judgment and acceptance of yourself and 782 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: that person as they are with all of their scars, 783 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: with all of their wounds, their traumas and everything that 784 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: they're offering to you as not as an offering unto 785 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: you to to take on, but an offering to to release. 786 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: You know. But when you like, if you create space 787 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: within yourself, you can hold space for others. You know, 788 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: the more space you create. That's why, like this week, 789 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 1: I've been fast and um creating you know, creating space 790 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: because when we fast, we we we we magnify the 791 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: etheric energy. And so you know, hold creating space within myself, 792 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: holding space within myself so that I can hold space, 793 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: um while I'm here in l A during these performances, 794 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: so that can hold space for the conversation, so I 795 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,280 Speaker 1: can hold space for you know, our conversations and our interactions. UM. 796 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so very important to you know, you know, 797 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: first create space within yourself and whole space for yourself 798 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: and be non judgmental to yourself, as you said, so 799 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: that you can be that same way with others, um 800 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: and allow them because you know what it does for you, 801 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, you know. And it's not like we have 802 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: to fix anything because you know, we work out our 803 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: own problems because our minds create the problems themselves in 804 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 1: our minds. So yeah, so it's all the creation of 805 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: our own beings. But when we have time, when we 806 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: have space to unravel before another person who's just holding 807 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: space for us, then we we just resting that and 808 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: we feel confided in that even if they give us 809 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: no advice, if they're just there as an ear and I, 810 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just learning that more and more um 811 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: with my partner, my fiancee um to just you know, 812 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: just be there and she doesn't need my wisdom, she 813 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: doesn't need you know, my my words. She just needs 814 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: me to be there. And people just need you to 815 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: be there because they can work through it on their own. 816 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: It's just expressing it and getting those gears turning into 817 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: they just find that ah ha, that aha moment and 818 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: that or just release no total it's like and it's 819 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: to like the concept that is is really deeply rooted. 820 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: I think in Christianity, the idea of witnessing right, being 821 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: a witness, the way that I experience that through the 822 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: lens of my belief system is really that just means 823 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: being an observance of right, like being able to powerfully 824 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,919 Speaker 1: observe yourself, being able to witness for another just I'm 825 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: just here to witness your process, not to inform it, 826 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: not to change it. But we deserve to be seen 827 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,439 Speaker 1: like we deserve I don't know if that's the word, 828 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: but I was gonna, you know, I want to behold people, Yeah, 829 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: behold and whole space, you know, because I think that's 830 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: what meditation helps us to do is just because we're witnessing, 831 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: we're watching, we're observing thoughts as they come, as they go, 832 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: and that person in front of us, they are a 833 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: vessel of thoughts. They are an embodiment of thoughts, you know, 834 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: in different thoughts and different desires. And so when we 835 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the meditative state or we're just risk 836 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: practicing mindfulness, we learn allowance, and with allowance just comes 837 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: grace and it ease because you understand things unravel, but 838 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,360 Speaker 1: they work themselves out on their own. It's nothing that 839 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: we have to fix in our minds during meditation. It 840 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: just kind of just eases itself out. And then when 841 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: we start to practice that in our day to day life, 842 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: you know, off the mat and out of the out 843 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: of the asana, then we can out of the asana, 844 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: we can we can truly embody the teachings in a 845 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 1: practical way. And it's not just like, oh, I'm just 846 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: doing my spiritual work and oh I have to go 847 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 1: into life and just be a human, you know, and 848 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: things of that nature. But we can actually imbuy the 849 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: teachings in our in our day, in our day to 850 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: day life because they are meant to be embodied, not 851 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: just study, you know, not just you know, yeah, into 852 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: your heart, yeah, and integrate it into your life and 853 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, into the into your relationships and every dynamic 854 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: and aspect of your life. And that's how we live 855 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: in the fullness of life, I think, you know, we 856 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: compartmentalize our lives. You know, this is for this, that person, 857 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: for this. I can only talk to you about this. 858 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: I can only go here for there, and we separate, 859 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: and that separate, That separation creates more illusion. That separation 860 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,879 Speaker 1: creates a distance between ourselves and truth, ourselves and God. 861 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,240 Speaker 1: And our separations are are create separation between ourselves and others, 862 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: you know. So the more we compartmentalize everything, we just 863 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 1: grow in the delusion and then in the illusion. I 864 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: love the way that you express that. Yeah, it's really 865 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,240 Speaker 1: it's just it's all such a gift. You know. Sometimes 866 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: I'm fed up with Earth and I don't want to 867 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: be here in trash. Earth is the ghetto. And then 868 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just like, how awesome, Like what a beautiful learning, Yeah, 869 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: Like what a beautiful learning to choose this lifetime to 870 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: be this version of you and all the gifts that 871 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: it possesses, especially I think in quarantine. And we were 872 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: talking about this a bit um before we press record 873 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: on the mix, But what was your If you could 874 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: name one thing that you found to be the greatest 875 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: gift of the pandemic, what was it? Um, the I 876 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: would say the call to serve a greater capacity and 877 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: a greater capacity because I've I've been doing this work 878 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: behind the scenes for for about five or six years, 879 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 1: but I understand that life has been preparing me for 880 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: this moment so that I can guide people into themselves 881 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: as well. So for me, it was time to step 882 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: out of my introvertedness and step out of my cocoon 883 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: and really you know, help usher others back into their 884 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,280 Speaker 1: cocoon or help us to introduce others to themselves as well. 885 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: So for me, that was the biggest gift is being 886 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,760 Speaker 1: able to serve and um, people who so so desperately 887 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,359 Speaker 1: needed a space to go, a space to be and 888 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 1: and cope and meditate. So um, just being able to 889 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: be there for people because I've been there, you know. Um, 890 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 1: My pad didn't probably happened in two thousand and sixteen 891 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: for me, and so I was just like I locked it. 892 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: But I for like two years, I probably didn't go 893 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: outside for anything, just for grocery. So I was kind 894 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: of like used used to this, like you know, lifestyle 895 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: of just being inside all the time, you know, studying, meditating. 896 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: That's when I you know, really begin to go in 897 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: where during that time for about two or three years, 898 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,879 Speaker 1: and so you know, having people come into this space now, 899 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: it's like I already have a table prepared for you. 900 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: I got music, I got meditations, I have an apt 901 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: What do you need? I have it? Yeah, feast on this. 902 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, yeah, it's there's been so many gifts it 903 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 1: really I love the way that has helped me re 904 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 1: understand time and how to use my time. And I 905 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: think my life post pandemic, post pandemic, excuse me, is 906 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: going to look more like my pandemic life than my 907 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: many ways. Like I think, um, I'm gonna be kind 908 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: of off limits for most people all the time because 909 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: I've just I've fallen in love and i have this 910 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: huge craving now, um for solitude. Yeah yeah, yeah, I 911 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: think especially because I'm more I'm an extrovert. Fully, um, 912 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,240 Speaker 1: i think I'm an E M F J or something 913 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: in a Myers brig but my whole life was lived 914 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: out loud. And now I'm just like, I don't want 915 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: to ever be in performance, like in any moment. I 916 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: don't want to be forced to be an audience for someone. 917 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: And I also don't want to be pushed to perform 918 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: for anyone, you know. I want to flow with how 919 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: I'm actually feeling. I think we've all found our balants. 920 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: I think we've all found our balance and what we 921 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: can like our groove, and that's what you know, we 922 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: we and now we have the choice because we see 923 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: both both ends of the spectrum, and so now we 924 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 1: can find like a middle path that works best for 925 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: us and we can integrate. You know, what we learned 926 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,160 Speaker 1: by being just out on the scene all the time 927 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: or extroverted or just being social or social butterfly, and 928 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: the things that we learned by just by being and 929 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: having the time to go inward and nurture ourselves and 930 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: take care of ourselves and um, you know, hold space 931 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,760 Speaker 1: for ourselves. And so it's like emerging of the two worlds. 932 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,399 Speaker 1: And I think the new Earth, the new the new 933 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: world that we um that we are curating, will be 934 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: somewhat of that sort of ease for everyone for everyone. 935 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: So people won't be too too demanding with your time, 936 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 1: and you won't be too demanding of other people's time, 937 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: and we'll just allow each other to just enjoy your 938 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 1: time alone. Hey, if you even your partners, if you 939 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,760 Speaker 1: want to enjoy time alone and by yourself, then that's cool. 940 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: You know, we don't We won't probably make too much 941 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 1: of a fuss off, you know, just just the ease 942 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,960 Speaker 1: of the ease that this you know, pandemic has has 943 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: given us. Yeah, yeah, we each deserve the dignity of 944 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: our process, whatever that is. So how can everybody connect 945 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: with you? First of all, I highly recommend everybody to 946 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,439 Speaker 1: go into their iTunes store, Spotify wherever you listen to music, 947 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 1: check out the Stay Free album UM. And then after 948 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 1: you do that, there's five more albums to feast upon. UM. 949 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,280 Speaker 1: Stay Free is the first one. There's also self Care Package, 950 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,880 Speaker 1: Floral Escape, Sunflower Soul, Feminine Energy and Feels. And then 951 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: how can everyone connect with you? Um? I guess Instagram 952 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: and Twitter. My handle is lundrell UM or Facebook as 953 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: well and on any other platform you can find me 954 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: at Lundrell. Also, UM, I have I do have the 955 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: mobile Eternal Sunshine app the Mindfulness and Meditation app. So 956 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: that's a great way to just receive free UM. Sometimes 957 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: I do talk UM and some you know, most of 958 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: the times I do meditations on there. So that's so 959 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,240 Speaker 1: that's a way to get you know, updates and news 960 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: on what I'm doing, where I'm at, where I'm touring, 961 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: where I'm having shows at UM. And yeah, those are 962 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,480 Speaker 1: the three main ways to to stay in contact with me. 963 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: At the end of every show, I offer to each 964 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: guest UM the opportunity to share some soul work with 965 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: our listening audience. And so what that can look like 966 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: is either a thought to be savored, maybe a journal prompt, 967 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: a self care practice that you enjoy and find UM 968 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,480 Speaker 1: to be powerful, but anything you'd like to offer our 969 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: listeners to spend time with UM for the day, for 970 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the day after they hear this episode. 971 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,359 Speaker 1: UM beautiful, UM. I would say, just off the top 972 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: of my head, UM, It's okay to uh venture into 973 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: the darkness. It's okay to go back into the traumas. 974 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: It's okay to revisit the darkened parts of yourself. You know, 975 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,440 Speaker 1: sit with those things, sit and feel if you can 976 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,720 Speaker 1: feel it you can heal it and just allow yourself 977 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: to UM feel, you know, let yourself feel. That's how 978 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: we self heal. UM. And so just sitting with everything, UM, 979 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: and being with everything and forgiving yourself and forgiving all 980 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,919 Speaker 1: versions of yourself in that, you know, having compassion upon 981 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: your experience, having compassion upon your life, having grace with 982 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 1: your life and your experience, and knowing that sometimes it's 983 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,680 Speaker 1: not all love and light. Sometimes we have to, you know, 984 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: go back into the you know, sometimes we have to 985 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: experience the dark so that we can bring forth more light. 986 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: And the more darkness you experience, the more light is 987 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 1: being summoned out of you. You know, so appreciate you know, 988 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 1: the parts that you that you hide. You know, be 989 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: totally vulnerable to every aspect of yourself, Be totally vulnerable 990 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: to everything that you have experienced, and allow that vulnerab 991 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: reality to you know, awaken you to your truth and 992 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,359 Speaker 1: living that truth. Celebrate that truth, speak that truth, and 993 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: let that truth set you free. M beautiful, beautiful, thank 994 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: you for that, and thank you so much, UM. It 995 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: has been such a joy connecting with you, finally connecting 996 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: in person, been a really really big admire of your work. Um, 997 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: and you're in Los Angeles, you have several shows while 998 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: you're out here, and hopefully you'll be back soon. I shall, 999 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 1: I shall. It feels it feels like l A always 1000 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: feels like home to me. So and I visit like 1001 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: at least once a year, at least before the pandemic. 1002 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: So I'll definitely be back and integrating with you and 1003 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: Darline and Shop her family and just you know, just 1004 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,360 Speaker 1: creating this new earth, this new world, this new paradigm 1005 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: for us and all of us who are to come, 1006 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: the little ones, the little ones, they're they're going to 1007 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: be so blessed. Their world is got to be so 1008 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 1: so beautiful, so beautiful. Yeah, yeah, you are so family. 1009 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: I am um. I'm grateful for this time together. Thank you, 1010 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: say I am too. Felt felt natural, so very natural, 1011 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,840 Speaker 1: just like okay, let's get to it. Yeah, let's get 1012 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: to it. Yes, I felt so natural. Thank you for 1013 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: having that energy of being welcoming to bring out the 1014 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: the social butterfly and me, the social butterfly and me 1015 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,880 Speaker 1: because I was a bit uneasy, like because I don't 1016 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: really do podcasts or talks or just anything. But you know, 1017 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing out the best in me. Thank you, M. 1018 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 1: That was a beautiful reflection I have. I received that. 1019 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: I know you do that for so many and your music, 1020 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: your music gives people permission to meet the best versions 1021 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 1: of themselves and to love them and to accept them. Yeah, 1022 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 1: it's great to receive that gift. I feel it now, 1023 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: I feel it. Thank you for allowing me to feel 1024 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: the gift that I give M. So I don't want 1025 00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 1: this podcast to end. Um. Everyone, thank you as always 1026 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: so much for listening. Please share this show with a friend. 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