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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's have a shout out for super

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Speaker 1: producer mister Max Williams.

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Speaker 2: Why why Sorry, a little pure moods for you there.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys enjoy this two game boys right there?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, especially the Trust game Boys of agreeing to

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Speaker 1: that despite die hearing it.

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Speaker 4: I have big bullet. That's mister Noel Brown, the one

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Speaker 4: in online dole. How you feeling, were you guys?

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Speaker 2: Og game boys as owned original black and white uh

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Speaker 2: eight bit game boys.

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Speaker 3: I was a little too young to get those weren't

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Speaker 3: actually being sold by the time. But my first game

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Speaker 3: Boy was given to me by a friend of my mother's,

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Speaker 3: which was black and white.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I created and won several game Boy Tetris

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Speaker 1: competitions I was.

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Speaker 4: Creating with it. Yes, how many.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the formal title that they have, but

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Speaker 3: like people who've bet in Tetris because it's like one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never actually beat it. Very few people have.

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Speaker 3: I think the titles kind of dropped screen. There is

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Speaker 3: a beating of the yeah you have to beat the

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Speaker 3: last level. The last real level is incredibly hard. Were

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Speaker 3: you so fast? Well, no, you can't see what what

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Speaker 3: titles are down. You can't see what title is coming down.

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Speaker 3: You can only see the next tile.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen year old recently made World News by hidiot Oh. Also, folks,

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Speaker 1: this part two of the Golden Ages. We love this

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Speaker 1: video game tie in. We're so excited. We've had such

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Speaker 1: a great time with part one. We hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: it too. With the game boy question, I remember one

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Speaker 1: game I got super into was a Bugs Bunny video

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Speaker 1: game of puzzle solving and getting carrots. Yes, I assume

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Speaker 1: Tetris never ended, but I had no idea how deep

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Speaker 1: the Bugs Bunny game went.

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Speaker 4: It just went on.

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Speaker 2: I do remember that one. I had an original game Boy.

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Speaker 2: It was probably late in that game. It was so

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Speaker 2: such a popular device that they sold it and without

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Speaker 2: was born in nineteen eighty three, really quickly, though. There

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Speaker 2: are a couple of documentaries about Tetris. One covering the

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Speaker 2: stuff that you guys are probably talking about is Ecstasy

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Speaker 2: of Order The Tetris Masters, which you can watch in

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Speaker 2: its entirety on YouTube. And then there actually recently was

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Speaker 2: a Tetris movie on Apple TV that's just called Tetris

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Speaker 2: that is a like dramatized version of the Tetras story.

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Speaker 2: We're not really talking about Tetris today, guys, but that

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Speaker 2: is such a perfect example of elegant design meets.

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Speaker 4: Escalatingly difficult gameplay.

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Speaker 2: It can get crazy if you stay the course, but

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Speaker 2: for a casual player, fun as hell's a while away the.

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Speaker 1: Time, and the music is quite sophisticated. I love the music.

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Speaker 1: I still play it when I'm writing stuff.

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Speaker 2: It gets stuck in my head out of the clear

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Speaker 2: blue sky sometimes, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the name of that game I mentioned earlier, by

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Speaker 1: Crazy Castle. I definitely played that one. It was so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's like a detective almost right, isn't He has like

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Speaker 2: a magnifying It's all coming back.

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Speaker 1: It's a little flashes side scroller. But weirdly enough, the

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Speaker 1: thing that bugged me about this and a lot of

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Speaker 1: other players as well, maybe ridiculous historians amongst us, Bugs

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Speaker 1: Bunny in that game weirdly does not have the ability

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Speaker 1: as matter, we're talking about video game tie ins. Technically

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Speaker 1: But we are going to we mentioned a very sad

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Speaker 1: story from Georgia. We are also going to maybe begin

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Speaker 1: today's episode with another strange story from Georgia. Nineteen ninety six. Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Georgia plays host to the Olympics. The as our power,

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the mascot.

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Speaker 2: I've never been a mascot. I've never tried to create

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Speaker 4: Enough boy, howdy is it not?

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Speaker 2: It requires once again, a level of precision, elegance and

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Speaker 2: And you know whoever designed that monstrosity is he got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it may have even been a thing. That

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Speaker 4: So it may not.

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Speaker 2: Have been his visual vision by committee. Another ship of

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Speaker 2: thesis kind of situation. Right, but how how should we?

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Speaker 2: And this is this is going to get to a

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Speaker 4: What country hosts them?

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Speaker 2: I believe we're looking at Paris this year, right, isn't

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Speaker 2: that what's happening? I think we're in Paris. They have

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Speaker 2: some very unique mascots them. Well, we're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: that because this is a difficult job. It's sort of

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Speaker 2: a fool's errand in many ways because you're you're opening

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Speaker 1: Is and no matter what you come up with. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a it's a kobyashi maru. Right, it's an

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Speaker 1: unwinnable situation. You're welcome, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, God jump and God jump in.

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Speaker 3: I was they had I guess HBO East too, which

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Speaker 3: is a channel I get now they play commercial free

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Speaker 4: You get like cable type TV Max. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I for sports, you still have to do well, objected.

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Speaker 3: They were playing all last Friday the original series Star

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Speaker 3: which starts off with Kobyashi Maru. Ki's the alley in

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Speaker 3: the Kobyashi Maru. I've got how amazing she is in

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Speaker 3: It is very incredibly dark. But you said, Kobe Asha Maru,

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Speaker 3: you can't say a Star Trek with me around, and Knox.

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Speaker 2: You're like Beetlejuice bro we gotta really stop staying Star Trek.

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Speaker 1: Starrim Or Jonathan Strickland. That's our one of three mentions

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Speaker 2: In really quickly, to double back a wepins that originally

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Speaker 2: Kobe Ashamru referring to an unwinnable situation, right.

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Speaker 1: Like, and we see this in the culmination of a

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Speaker 4: That's kind of, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's similar to what people were running into with these

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Speaker 1: Olympic mascots Atlanta magazines. Max Blow has a great explanation

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Speaker 1: of this and a great name, Max Blough. Give me

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Speaker 2: What sorry, Max Williams, But Max Blow, it's got you beat.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Ben, there were four bugs Bunny Crazy

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Didn't they have different cartoon characters as well?

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Speaker 2: indeed have this to say. It would be hard to

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Speaker 2: overstate how shocking it was when Atlanta was awarded the

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six Summer Olympic Games Atlanta over Toronto, Athens Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: The news, which came on a Tuesday in September nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 2: building an eighty five thousand seeds stadium, delegating the one

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Speaker 2: in time for the closing ceremonies of the Barcelona Games

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Speaker 2: created design guidelines and canvassed for submissions. Ten companies proposed

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Speaker 1: And objectively we can say we're kind of generous with

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Speaker 1: Similar to Grimace is he is somewhat a character that

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Speaker 1: defies explanation. He's got running shoes, he's got Olympic rings

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at him now.

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Speaker 2: He looks like the kind of mascot that you'd see

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Speaker 2: these big, oversized shoes he's got it's a very of

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Speaker 4: Shaped kind of blob character, you know. And we know

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Speaker 4: that his original name is what is it with a Z?

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Speaker 4: And no one knows, sir, No one knows. No one knows.

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Speaker 1: They if you see the original design, it's even stranger

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Speaker 1: for a couple of different aesthetic reasons. But in defense

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Speaker 1: For a long long time, up until twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: about the Paris Olympics, they have had the ignomonious torch

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Speaker 1: of worst mascot passed to them. Let's get a look

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Speaker 1: at the Paris twenty twenty four mascots. Lest we be

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Speaker 5: Is He?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see it too, because I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at an article on Nbcolympics dot com that's just a

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Speaker 2: lot of them aren't great.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. It's committee. Yeah, it is. It

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Speaker 2: But I'm also like kind of like, what's the big deal,

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Speaker 4: You know. It's not like something that people are gonna remember.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, the ones they remember are the bad ones.

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Speaker 2: Merch is kind of sought after. They're sort of hard

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Speaker 4: So all this.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a very valid discussion and of itself.

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Speaker 2: But all this to get to is he was kind

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Speaker 4: I did not know this.

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Speaker 1: for the Olympic Rings. That sounds like it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's an Olympic mascot. You gotta collect coins

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Speaker 2: I bet you. This is too obscurity even no comes

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Speaker 2: right up. Holy crap. It was on Sega Genesis. It

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Speaker 4: The regular nes.

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Speaker 1: Right right, and that was you that that was the

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Speaker 4: Do, and that's literally by design.

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Speaker 3: And the backtrack, I mean, I met the Atari fifty

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Speaker 2: Right, So the twenty six hundred is the one people

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Speaker 2: NES was a next gen from that. Sorry getting caught

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Speaker 5: Game, you guys, Well, it was sort of a it

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Speaker 4: We do know.

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Speaker 1: It was not super in depth like Bug but Bugs

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Speaker 1: Buddy's Crazy Castle. You can complete it in about an hour,

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Speaker 1: Olympic officials had just a couple of demands, can't change

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Speaker 1: the character design, makes sense. Have the Olympics as a theme,

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Speaker 1: the time of the conversation with Axios, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, interesting.

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Speaker 2: I did find a page on Internet archive from Game

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Speaker 4: We're gonna shred your shitty game.

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Speaker 2: By the nineteen ninety six summer games seem far off,

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Speaker 2: but not for Izzy, as this reads like a press release.

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Speaker 2: As the Olympic mascot, he must search the torch world

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Speaker 2: In this ten level quest, Izzy morphs into eight sporting

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Speaker 1: And this brings up an interesting point because my question

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Speaker 4: Well, but Ben I was. I've been meaning to bring

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Speaker 2: It's been kind of nagging at me, this whole idea

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Speaker 2: But what how does one rank a freaking anthropomorphic cartoon

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Speaker 3: Literally the motivation for this entire episode absolutely another one

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Speaker 2: So we all know what checks cereal was. Is it's

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Speaker 4: And then Checks decide, hey.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you guys do we're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 4: So chex Mix was huge. Oh yeah, chexs Mix is

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Speaker 1: You know. It Also is a giant in the world

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Speaker 4: You know what i mean.

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Speaker 1: You gotta hunt the Flemoids I'm sorry, or the Chechs

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Speaker 1: Warrior the guides.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny though, because there's nothing that will dry

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Speaker 4: It's like this gets a breakfast cereal or racist.

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Speaker 3: Play the high, high fiber version of them.

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Speaker 1: This was aimed at This was nineteen ninety six, so

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Speaker 1: And the kind of modification this is is what we

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Speaker 3: It's exactly the same. The only difference is you're not

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Speaker 2: with ink. It's like paintball. So it's a way of

440
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: having the mechanics of a murder game. Sands the murder

441
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: is that kind of the idem x exactly. That's one

442
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: hundred because, as Ben said, it is. My dad fought

443
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: it hilarious the time, and I was too young to

444
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: understand what Doom was. He's like, this is literally Doom

445
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: for kids.

446
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got and the power ups change the weapons

447
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: and ammunition shape to all be serial themed and just

448
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: like just like any other first person shooter, you win

449
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: the game by beating the final boss at the last level.

450
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 4: And I think it's.

451
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: Also a little bit easier than Doom because you want

452
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: people to associate the cereal with fun. Alex Walker has

453
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: a great short history. Excuse me, short official history of

454
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Speaker 1: Chech's Quest, which talks about how brilliant it was for

455
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Speaker 1: the cereal manufacturers to put a video game in your

456
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Speaker 1: boxes cereal as a prize. I think that's the really

457
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: brilliant thing, because one of the best parts of children's

458
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 1: cereal is, of course the prizes you get. And I

459
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: got to say furthermore, in recent decades, they've really started

460
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Speaker 1: skimping on the prizes. You guys, notice that I'm an adult,

461
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: like I can vote.

462
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 4: That's scary skipping on the prizes and the cereal.

463
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's become

464
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Speaker 2: a little less popular to put them in the cereal

465
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Speaker 2: at all because of like potential choking hazards. And so

466
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: you get some kind of coupon that you mail in

467
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: to get the prize after the fact, which just ain't

468
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: cutting that.

469
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Speaker 1: Right exactly, because that's not the kind of delayed gratification

470
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Speaker 1: kids are overall into. Originally, the game was supposed to

471
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Speaker 1: be in a cornfield and you had a flashlight. The

472
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: idea was you would make an educational tool in the

473
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Speaker 1: form of a video game, similar to like Math Blaster

474
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Speaker 1: or the Oregon Trail. But the team behind checks Quest

475
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: said let's if we're doing a video game, let's do

476
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Speaker 1: an actual video game. Let's look around at other video

477
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: games and see what's taking off, what's already popular, and

478
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Speaker 1: let's try to do that. And it looked around and

479
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: the most popular one they found was Doom.

480
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Speaker 4: At least.

481
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Speaker 1: This wasn't on a console rigially either, I think it

482
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: was on It was on personal computers. And then they said, okay,

483
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Speaker 1: we'll make a first person shooter.

484
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Speaker 4: We'll make Doom.

485
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: But checks and then they said, oh, hang on, it's

486
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of tough to make a video game in six months.

487
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super hard. And that's the thing with a

488
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: lot of these product tie in games is that they're

489
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: sort of an afterthought and that they're you know, absolutely rushed,

490
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: and that is evident in the final product because sometimes,

491
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: to your point, bent, either they're egregiously difficult and look

492
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: like crap, or they look good but are really really

493
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: really short. Games were expensive back then, just like VHS

494
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: tapes were expensive, which is why there was such a

495
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: robust rental market. So you certainly wouldn't be quite as

496
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: letdown if you rented the game and realized you could

497
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: beat it in twenty minutes, but if you shelled out

498
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: the that could be cause for a meltdown.

499
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And this is we have to remember before the

500
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: rise of the video game online review industry on YouTube

501
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: and stuff, so you couldn't act. It was much more

502
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: difficult to just hop on a website and watch someone

503
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: play the game and decide whether or not it was

504
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: a buy or a rental. And also these guys they

505
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: had another problem. They had to get a co sign

506
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: from the FDA, one of the most famous bureaucracies in

507
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: the country, and the FDA needed to sign off on

508
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: checks shipping all these cd ROMs, along with food people

509
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: would actually consume. To your earlier point, they had to

510
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 1: adhere to the demands of the FDA, which meant they

511
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: had to redesign weapons so they looked as non weapony

512
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: as possible, non descript, and then they had to really

513
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: dumb down the sound. It was a huge gamble for

514
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: General Mills, but it was also a massive success, so

515
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: much so that just one year later they released the sequel,

516
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: checks Quest. Two Flemoids take Chextropolis.

517
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta jump in the emergency like you're out

518
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: of AMMO weapon. You get in the game.

519
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 4: Is a spoon.

520
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, as your melee emergency weapon is bro what better

521
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: way is there to defeat Cereal?

522
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: You know, well, you're you're helping them. Sorry, you're helping

523
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: the Cereal. I know, I get it, I get it.

524
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: I get it.

525
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: You're you're you're shoveling snot with a spoon.

526
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Basically, it's weird though, the snot thing, because another thing

527
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: that makes you real snotty is milk. You know, milk

528
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: gets you real. The whole thing is very strange. A

529
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: couple opportunities that they may have squandered. I haven't played

530
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: the game, so I can't say. And again, it would

531
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: have been cool if they had allowed violence. Then you

532
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: could have officially been a serial killer. But instead you're

533
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: not killing the Cereal, you're killing the phlem And when

534
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: I was in middle school, I had a very brief

535
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: attempt at trying to write some sketch comedy with a

536
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: few friends, and I came up with a really great

537
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: step that had zero follow through. It was a parody

538
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: of Beverly Hills nine o two one oh called General

539
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Mills nine oh two one oh, and it would just

540
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: be about you know, cereal drama. I don't know whatever

541
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: issues that cereal answer for morphive cereal? Would it be

542
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: between the different imprints of the different types of cereal

543
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: that were on General Mills tbd? But you know you

544
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: can't argue with the alliterative connection between Beverly Hills nine

545
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: oh two one oh and General Mills nine oh two.

546
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I yield my time, well done, and people, just like

547
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: you're saying, people know when there's a good idea, you remember,

548
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: you want to run with it. General Mills is in

549
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: this crazy serial video game casino and they keep winning.

550
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: So after they released chex Quest two and ninety seven,

551
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: they released che Quest three in two thousand and eight,

552
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: and get this, they re released it in twenty twenty.

553
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: Checks Quest HD.

554
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. They needed they needed more resolution for

555
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: that checks You know, they had.

556
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: To pretty several bust universe now. There's multiple playable characters now,

557
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: and so a lot of lore. It's a legendary game. Truthfully,

558
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: it is a legendary. It is very short. It is

559
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: about thirty minutes to play the entire thing.

560
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with short games, no, no, no, no,

561
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with them unless I'm paying

562
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: the same price for them that I'm paying for you know,

563
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: forty hour RPG, you know.

564
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: And that's the best thing about chex Quest as it

565
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: never costs money.

566
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: Well, so it was always a serial tie in. It

567
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: was it was the prize. Yeah, you got it in

568
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: the box.

569
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Speaker 4: That's sorry you said that. I'm sorry.

570
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: I didn't fully understand the ramifications of that is very

571
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: forward thinking, you know, a digital prize, uh in the nineties,

572
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: how about that.

573
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just looking to confirm something. Yep, chex Quest

574
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: HD on Steam. It is a robust game with multiplayer features,

575
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: and everything is also free.

576
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: Ah, it's always free.

577
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Which makes it the best, the best deal out of

578
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: the four because the other ones are free if you

579
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: purchase a box of cereal. So there is still technically prizing.

580
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: We can't even get to stuff like, Oh, Ronald McDonald

581
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: McDonald's treasure Land Adventure. That's a weird tie in. There's

582
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: a ton of Ronald McDonald's games. There's Donald Land in

583
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. It's a platformer that just came out

584
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: in Japan, where, weirdly enough, they call him Donald McDonald.

585
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: I was about to say Donald Land. I don't understand. Okay,

586
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: that makes sense. He's Donald McDonald.

587
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. I like the internal. I

588
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: like how they added an extra d.

589
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: It does add an extra layer of absurdity to it,

590
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: doesn't it. You know, it's sort of like having two

591
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: first names, right, you know, you're like the first name

592
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: and then a last name that's also a first name,

593
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: you know.

594
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

595
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gin published a nineteen ninety two game called

596
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: MC Kids, which is sort of an also ran.

597
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: That looks one that one looks like incredibly lying by

598
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: the way, that looks like the worst one.

599
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: And then well we've got McDonald lang Global Gladiators another

600
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: spin off.

601
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: To backtrack, though, ben, I would assume that would be

602
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: pronounced mckids.

603
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've got the dots. They've got the initials

604
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: M dot C dot kids.

605
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: So there's MC kids, but it's definitely MC kids.

606
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: But what is so what if it's dots, they're supposed

607
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: to stand for something? What what do they stand for?

608
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: Massively cool? Yeah?

609
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: I think it actually somewhere I read it stood for

610
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Mick and mac and the thing afterwards said this obviously

611
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: makes no sense because the acronym is uh EMC, but

612
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: they didn't think it out too far. Basically is what

613
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people said.

614
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: It seems so, yeah, what are we gonna play Grimace's Birthday?

615
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: Oh boy?

616
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: I love all the freaky, creepy pasta memes that were

617
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: spawned from the whole Grimace Shake thing with people like

618
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: just consuming the Grimace Shake and then immediately descending into

619
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: some sort of murderous David Lynch nightmare hellscape.

620
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

621
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: I thought that was just absolutely peak Internet of Today,

622
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: really really good stuff.

623
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Speaker 1: And then there is, of course McDonald's treasure Land Adventure.

624
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: There's so many that there's so many different McDonald's tie

625
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: in games that we could even do another episode on those,

626
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: But for now, all you need to know is that

627
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Treasure Land Adventure has its own kind of fantasy lore.

628
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: Ronald McDonald is in a magic forest one day, or

629
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the Magical Forest, and he sees a piece of paper

630
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: under a tree. He finds it's part of a treasure map,

631
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know where the rest of the pieces

632
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: of the treasure map are. But the other pieces of

633
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: the map, it turns out, are in the hands of

634
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: some dangerous bad guys. So you play as Ronald McDonald

635
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: on a treasure hunt to find the pieces of the

636
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: map that will lead you to the treasure fun.

637
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so sort of an RPG, a very light RPG

638
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Do you guys remember

639
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Chester Cheetah Too Cool to Fool?

640
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

641
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, did we reference in episode one? Don't think we.

642
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: Got to let's spot in Chester Cheatah of the same

643
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: air Chester Cheetah you got his own video game two

644
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: that apparently had a really interesting glitch in the gravity

645
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: of it that would cause him to like be propelled

646
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: into the air like massively accelerating rates.

647
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: I found a cool Reddit fred with a discussion on

648
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: the Chester Cheetah game. Then they described the glitch as such,

649
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: by some glitch of the game physics, Chester was propelled

650
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: very high into the air. Of course, once you launch

651
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: anything into the air, it eventually slows down and then

652
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: starts falling, another side effect of gravity. The farther you fall,

653
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: the faster you fall. The game is probably doing something

654
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: like this. Trouble is, Chester might be falling so fast

655
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: always passes right through the area where the game checks

656
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: whether he's on the ground. So one frame he's too

657
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: far above the ground, I eat out on the ground.

658
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Speaker 2: Next frame he's too far below the ground. I eat

659
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 2: out on the ground, so the game just lets him

660
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Speaker 2: fall forever.

661
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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a fun one.

662
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many others that were like barely

663
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: we could maybe just laundry list some of these. Pepsi

664
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Speaker 1: Man Japan loves a lot of these tie in games.

665
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Pepsi Man is game where you play a pepsi themed superhero.

666
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: You're delivering pepsi to people. And then on the Chester

667
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: Cheetah stuff.

668
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Two, we's got two games. There's Wild Wild Pest, There's

670
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Too Cool to Fool and Too Cool to Fool. I

671
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: didn't know this doesn't have any actual Cheetos products appearing

672
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: in there.

673
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: Frankly, that's smart because Chester is synonymous with Cheetos.

674
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: You don't even need them. All you gotta do is

675
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: remind people of Chester. Cheetos is in his name.

676
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: You know, guys, remember the golden era of cartoon advertisements

677
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: for cigarettes. How come they never got a game? How

678
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: come Joe Camill never got a game? I guess that

679
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: kind of ended before these video game tie in things

680
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: really became a thing.

681
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think because there was a video game crash

682
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three for the industry. So if they

683
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: were making moves to do something like that, you know,

684
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: would work a boozer beer based game, Yeah, defleeing work.

685
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: We talked about some of those, we didn't get to

686
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: some of the most terrible, Like movie tie ins often

687
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: have a bad reputation. We mentioned nineteen eighty two et.

688
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: But the New Suicide Squad was apparently awful, as was

689
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Speaker 1: a Ghostbusters fight Club.

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: There's a fight Club video game? No, see, that's how

691
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: bad it was, was there really? Yeah? Yeah?

692
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: It was released five years after the movie. Critics and

693
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: fans like didn't dig it whatsoever. It's weirdly fred Durst

694
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: shows up in it.

695
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: Oh Man speaking of viby, nostalgia based and also potentially

696
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: creepy things, and that Fred Durst shows up in I

697
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: made a video of this for our other show stuff

698
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: they don't want you to know, but highly recommend a

699
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: film that I've already seen three times in theaters called

700
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: I Saw the TV Glow.

701
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: That is the.

702
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Most wonderful, affecting, immersive kind of send up of nostalgia

703
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: pop culture stuff. And one thing we mentioned on these

704
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: episodes is the way you remember things looking a certain

705
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: way that you were important to you as a child,

706
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: because you're remembering them through the lens of the way

707
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: it affected you emotionally as a child. But then you

708
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: look at them again as an adult and you're like, wow,

709
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: this looks like trash. And that's true of TV shows,

710
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: that's true of movies, that's definitely true of video games,

711
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: probably more specifically, because they just looked like crap and

712
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: you had to kind of fill in the blanks, you know.

713
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing turbographics sixteen Bonx Adventures for the

714
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: first time when I was like, you know, maybe twelve

715
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: something like that, and I thought it was the most magical,

716
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: wonderful thing I've ever seen.

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00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: Looked like playing a cartoon.

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00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: Go back to it now, glitchy and blocky and not

719
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: smooth or cool looking at all. But anyway, sorry, that's

720
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: my rants about nostalgia, but check out, I saw the

721
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: TV glow. As far as other movie tie ins, Disney

722
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: was very infamous for putting them out and having them

723
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: be egregiously difficult. There was The Lion King and Aladdin,

724
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: both of which I actually owned on Sega Genesis, but

725
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: the Lion King notoriously incredibly hard.

726
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Speaker 1: And Aladdin was the thing that answered the question what

727
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: if we could make Prince of Persia, but bad, ye

728
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then we also see a

729
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: problem is with a lot of the film tie in. Specifically,

730
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: they're working with the hectic production of a film schedule

731
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Speaker 1: right where they want it to be, ideally around the debut.

732
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Terrible Catwoman movie has its own video game. The I

733
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Speaker 1: would also notice there is a bad street Fighter game.

734
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: It is street Fighter the movie the game, and it

735
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: is so much worse. Yeah yeah, Max. They have motions

736
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: are cracked. It's so much worse than the other iterations

737
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: of street Fighter. Because the film itself, you know, had

738
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: a really troubled production, and then the actors, after a

739
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: lot of them ended up hating each other. They had

740
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: to get back and do motion capture for this game

741
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: that looks like it wants to be Mortal Kombat dressed

742
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: as Street Fighter. It's just I don't know, man, this

743
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: You read the game reviews of this kind of stuff,

744
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you, actually, you know what now that

745
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, I don't want to get us

746
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: on a tangent here. But Aladdin was tough, but I

747
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: did like it.

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00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: No, I realized I owned Aladdin. I didn't own Lion King.

749
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Speaker 2: But Aladdin, I remember distinctly the level where you're in

750
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: the Cave of Wonders and you're on the flying Carpet

751
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: and it's a side scroller platform me one, and you

752
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: have to jump over and avoid all of these lava

753
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: flows and like geysers of lava, and you have to

754
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: jump over it and then jump back onto your magic carpet.

755
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: And I remember, again, if I looked at it now,

756
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't hold up esthetically the way I'm picturing it

757
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: in my mind. But I very much owned the Aladdin

758
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: Sega Genesis game. But there were tons of other ones

759
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: as well, in terms of movie animated movies and specifically,

760
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: But nowadays it seemed we were talking about this at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of episode one. It seems like kids are

762
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Speaker 2: wise to this stuff now, and kids aren't gonna just

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Speaker 2: play a game because it's based on their favorite snack

764
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Speaker 2: unless there's something absurd or ironic about it. So when

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Speaker 2: you see these product tians, it's now a lot more

766
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: of this, like extra add on content, like with the

767
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: different skins that you can get for a Fortnite et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Or the different fighting characters you can get as DLC

769
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Speaker 1: downloadable content.

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Speaker 4: In Mortal Kombat, you know, that's when you can get

771
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Speaker 4: Dark Predator.

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00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: And Yoda and Soul Caliber series. Those were great because

773
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: they have force powers. I think what we're saying is, yeah,

774
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: the trends will evolve and the methods will change. But

775
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Speaker 1: even though you know it's easy to dismiss some of

776
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: these things as perhaps cynical advertisements or grabs for attention,

777
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: this we these strange bedfellows of products and video games

778
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: actually resulted in some really cool experiences, and the nostalgia

779
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: is so real.

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00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: Oh man, just a.

781
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: Couple that I'm just remembering now. I'm like having a

782
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: core memory unlocked Home Alone. There was a video game

783
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: based on Home Alone on Nintendo that was terrible. And

784
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: I just found a Reddit thread that was what happened

785
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: to video games based on every single movie, and it

786
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: really was a thing like whether they were live action,

787
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: animated or whatnot. So if you want to dig into

788
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: more of that stuff and find, you know, little bits

789
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: of Internet debris leftover of gameplay that stuff, you certainly can.

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Speaker 4: It's a very deep rabbit hole hap happy hunting.

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00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to jump in real quick, I want to

792
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: just talk about et for a little bit. We go

793
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: much more detail in our femeral episode about this with

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00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: somebody who knows way more about Williams than I will

795
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: ever know. But I want to state some love and

796
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: support for Howard Scott Warshaw, who was actually the programmer

797
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: made ET, because he's putting in an impossible situation. Basically,

798
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: they paid the studio for the rights of Fortune and

799
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Speaker 3: they gave him like a few weeks basically built the

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: game back then they can only build it stuf. He

801
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: also has one of the funniest creative games ever. It's

802
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: called Yars Revenge is a direct shot at Ray Kazo,

803
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: who was CEO of Atari who had been hired there

804
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: to replace Nolan Bushnell. Literally got hired away from Burlington

805
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: Coat Factory. That's who they put in charge of thing.

806
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Speaker 3: He was this guy's this is Ray Kazzar is the

807
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: guy who agree who worked the deal for you know,

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00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: the ET game and uh also you know basically killed Atari.

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00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: And this guy, Howard Scott Warshaw's on a lot of

811
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: great things, like you know, uh said raiders have lost

812
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: ark and stuff, video games and stuff like He's done

813
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot, and so it's really crazy to see how

814
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 3: bad et was because there was nothing he could have done.

815
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Speaker 1: With that one, right, And that's something we have to remember,

816
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: just like is he the mascot, there are a lot

817
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: of hard working people who are laboring under at times

818
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: and possible situations. Also shout out to the Atari Jaguar

819
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Speaker 1: as one of those.

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00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: And I found a jaguar ad. It it has oh god,

821
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Speaker 3: it has been it.

822
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: Ripping through the page kind of is one of those

823
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: where it's like claw marks or something. I'm just picturing

824
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: magazine ads for that kind of stuff.

825
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: It's a kid who's playing a tough, bad kid and

826
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: he goes to the bathroom and plays the jaguar pulls

827
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Speaker 3: out of his pocket, which is hilarioucause jaguars are massive

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Speaker 3: and huge. But it's an actual guy who had an

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Speaker 3: acting career who was not considered as a bad kid.

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Speaker 4: Let's say to that can career. I'm looking it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well yeah. Jack Black did some video game ads.

832
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: It was for a game called Pitfall that you can

833
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: actually find that ad online with a very young, fresh

834
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Speaker 2: faced Jack Black. But while you're looking at that at

835
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Speaker 2: Max's when I add my last thing. It's kind of

836
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Speaker 2: full circle for this this doesn't happen anymore. You know,

837
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Speaker 2: these product high end video games, these movie kind of

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00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: tempole tie in video games, unless they're something like a

839
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Speaker 2: Spider Man, are something that you know has been in

840
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: development for a long time, that they know will sell

841
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: because now the expectations for the quality of the game

842
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: must reach are just so much higher, and the typical

843
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: development cycle for a big game, often referred to as

844
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: like a triple A game, can be up to six years.

845
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Speaker 2: So now what's replaced the cheap quick dirt, the cash

846
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: grab of the the the rushed you know, video game

847
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: tie in of yesteryear are phone games as sure?

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Speaker 1: So I would argue though that the while it's again

849
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, while it's evolved, we still

850
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: see those same core trends. Lord of the Rings has

851
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: some terrible video games. Shout out to their their Golumn game,

852
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: and Suicide Squad, which I mentioned earlier, also had a

853
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: really difficult game release. I think the money is just

854
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: too good. I think you do make an astute point

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00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: about the mobile gaming, which again is the evolution that

856
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: we see the cyclical, uh, the cyclical process of nostalgia

857
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: bringing people back to the things we loved as kids.

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Speaker 1: So I do want to say again, if it sounds

859
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: like we're dumping on developers and publishers and so on,

860
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: we're not dumping on the creatives at all. It's uh,

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00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: it's again. I think one of the most important points

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00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: sometimes these strange bedfellows eight stuff that remains an awesome

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00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: part of people's lives, and I think it's really cool

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00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that. I'm looking at the positive side. You know,

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Speaker 1: for every et, there is at least two there are

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00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: at least two to three other games that people will

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Speaker 1: always pick up, regardless of how old they are. And

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Speaker 1: with that, this concludes our two part history on the

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Speaker 1: Golden Era the halcyon age of video game product tie ins.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams, Thanks our

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Speaker 1: research associate Max Williams and our composer Alex Williams.

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Speaker 1: And then of course Rachel Big Spinach Lance, our pal

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Speaker 1: Gabe Luzier all of you ridiculous historians, gamers and non

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Speaker 1: So many things ahead light spoilers, but we can't wait

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Speaker 4: I guess that's kind of what we do, Ben, We're

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Speaker 4: sort of spoilers of history. We'll see you next time. Books.

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