1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: My next guest is Daniel Carsillo. He is the founder 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: and chief executive officer with sona health biotechnology company focused 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: on developing the novel therapies of tomorrow and delivering new 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: care paradons for today. Daniels a well known speaker and 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: the advocate on behalf of traumatic brain injury t b 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: I survivors and people dealing with mental health challenges. Mr 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Carsilo played in the NHL, which we all know that 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: little circle can be a train wreck as they say. 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Reason I say as a train wreck because his nickname 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: carbon Carbon during his ten year NH career, for his 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: explosive playing on the ice, know for protecting his teammates, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: they call that an enforce her. Okay, in basketball they gather. 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: In football they got spent. But in hockey and basketball, 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: those two, those two there were pops up a lot. 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Mr Daniel helped Chicago win two Stanley Club Championships with 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: the Blackhawks, but a great personal loss to himself. We'll 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: talk about what Son of health and the price you 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: can pay for bid and enforcing NHL. Please welcome to 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: money making conversation in Mastercas. Mr Daniel Carno, how you doing, sir, 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? Um, let's talk about I'm 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: gonna tell you my hockey I'm I'm I love all sports, okay, 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: And I was in New York. I was I think 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: that was in New York and Nanny went to my 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: first hockey game. Was enjoying it. I was enjoying it. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: It's two shows going in the hockey game, Daniel. You 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: can probably you're on the ice, but there's also a 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: show that goes on in the stands, okay, and the 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: hockey crowd. I think it was the most rowity group 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: of people I've ever been in the stands with. Okay, 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: I've been to the baseball games, I've been to the 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: football games. I've been to the basketball games, okay, but 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: that hockey fan beer drinking was extreme and women were 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: the rowitiest I've ever seen in any sports setting where 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: the women I would like to actually stunned annual and 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: the beer drinking and the rowdiness of the women, Okay, 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: that's my experience in the stands. Then you dealing with 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: this tremendous, volatile sport of violence was you can say, 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: as I'm very graceful, call Ice, how did you get 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: involved with that? As a young hockey player. What attracted 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: you to the sport. So I grew up in Canada, 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: and you know, as soon as you get born, you 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: can walk, you get put on skates. So I started 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: at three years old. And one of the things that 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: attracted me to the sport was just being able to 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: move with a group of guys towards one goal. Because 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: you have to move in synchronicity towards that common goal. 47 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: Whoever is more connected will ultimately win the game. And 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: and then there was also this other aspect of you 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: know you mentioned going on hockey games. There's not a bounce. 50 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: It's like m M A on skates, and you're legally 51 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: allowed to hit somebody when when they have the puck. 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: So it's definitely attracted to the aggressive nature of the 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: sport as well well, the aggressive nature. And then that 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you that for now, I'm going 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: back to my experience at the at the at the 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: hockey game. So I'm enjoying the movement, the gracefulness, you know, 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden at the at the end of the 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: hockey we there's a fight going on. It had nothing 59 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: to do with the other end of that. I would 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: I would tell as as a as a fan, I 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: was like, what the heck, what is going on? But 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: everybody in the stands like, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm as am. I'm as the first time and I've 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: been this more hockey game system was like like caught off. 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: I remember really understand how that played a role into it, 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: and people started educating that's where hockey is. They do that, 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that's how they go. Like that explained to me what 68 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: you've been called car barm because I'm leaving, I'm sure 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: you're one of the guys at the other end of 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: the ice that I was like confused, that's what were 71 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: you doing? What was going on there? Daniel? So we 72 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: have in hockey, you have four lines of forwards. So 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: you'd have six forwards, two lines that are essentially your 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: skill guys that are quote unquote untouchable, and then you 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: have your third and fourth line who are more grinders 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: who wear the other skill guys down. So one of 77 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: my jobs was to be an antagonist, was to ensure 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: that the other team knew not to take any shots 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: at our top six guys. So there's a little bit 80 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: of an unwritten code because then I wouldn't take shots 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: at theirs, and if that did happen, then you know, um, 82 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: I had a pretty unpredictable nature to myself, so you 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: would have to answer to me. And if their guy 84 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: took shots at, you know, one of our skill guys, 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: you'd think that I would go after the enforcer, when 86 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: in fact, I would, you know, take the next shift 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: and my coach would probably put me on the top 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: six line and I would go after one of their 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: skill guys. So kind of tip for tat get their 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: guys instead of thinking about scoring goals, just acted by 91 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: me and trying to trying to keep their head on straight. Yeah. 92 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: In baseball, that would if their star player got hit, 93 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: then the next inning when their player comes, they can 94 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: hit him with a baseball. That's now now a lot 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: of people trying to outlad that Now in hockey that 96 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: the model of what you just spoke to me, is 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: that still their norm. Are people trying to shower away 98 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: from that, especially with being on TV so much nowadays. Yeah, 99 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: so I think that there's there's a lot of backlash, 100 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: but I think we have to remember how the game 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: was founded. Ultimately, there's a regular season, but that regular 102 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: season is all set up to get to the playoffs 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,559 Speaker 1: to then win the Stanley Cup, and the Stanley Cup 104 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: is a seven game series, right, four rounds of seven games, 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, there is always 106 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: this aspect of taking somebody's will to play away, and 107 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: the way you do that is you you lean on 108 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: them with with physicality. Obviously you have to score more 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: goals to win the game, but over that period of 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: time you have to make sure that there's there's a 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: nice meld of physicality and skill. And so I don't 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: know if it will ever, you know, be out of 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: the game, but there's definitely less fighting nowadays, which I 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: think is a positive thing, and there's no more enforcers 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: in the sense of the word. There's guys that can 116 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: fight if something does happen. And so it's trending in 117 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: the right direction being that you know now they're on 118 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: ESPN and T n T and you have some TV 119 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: deals and really people I think in Canada still there's 120 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: the purest of the sport where they want to see 121 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: the fighting, but to attract new fans to the game, 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: I think the game is trending in the right direction 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: where we're moving away from that, right we we we 124 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: we this is what was taken to this conversation, that 125 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: whole circle and how you can just run up to 126 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: a player and just keeping him against the ice and 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: you moving in a hundred miles an hour and sometimes 128 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: they don't see him that that that that coming, and 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: it can lead to an ultimate collision or smash up 130 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: against the rink itself. And those collisions of what leads 131 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: us to the conversation we have in the day. Those 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: those you know you see him in football, you know, 133 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: running back is coming through the line, another player is 134 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: meeting him at the same impactful moment. That's causing brain 135 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: damage and its cause and people are starting to do tests. 136 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Some people are dying and asking can we get that 137 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: players brains that we can do research on there is 138 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: That's where we're at with with Sana. Yeah, so I 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: think that donating your brain for research is really important. 140 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that happens after men have passed away. UH with 141 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: a history of repetitive head trauma. There's never been anybody 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: found to have chronic traumatic and encephalopathy, which is a 143 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: neurodegenerative disease similar to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, a l S, and dementia. 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Where eventually a tel protein takes over your brain and 145 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: you're unable to do the normal tasks um of an 146 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: everyday human being. And when these symptoms start to arise 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: and there's little to no education or awareness or understanding, 148 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: then you have people passing away and trying to cope 149 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: in a in a number of different various ways. So 150 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: I think that the settlement with the NFL really opened 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes and in the community of 152 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: hockey to speaking about how not only the concussive hits 153 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: are affecting individuals after they're done playing and during but 154 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: also how these subconcussive hits are are affecting people over 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: a longer period of time. So they've done things like 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: move the age of hitting up um to incur less damage, etcetera. 157 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: But uh, we are definitely in a brain eccentric age 158 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: if you look at all supplementations and and even outside 159 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: of the sporting world, everybody's really focused on on the brain. 160 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think, make you sure that 161 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: people that the men playing the sports are aware of 162 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: the risk, and then making sure that they have the 163 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: proper treatment to recover during the sport and then after 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: having the proper resources to rely on, I think is 165 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: extremely important and it's one of our goals absolutely to 166 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: raise awareness for that and for traumatic brain injury. We'll 167 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with 168 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass 169 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. You know, I just recently saw a 170 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: special I want to make sure I get the team weak. 171 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: I believe it was the Red Wings versus the Avalanche. 172 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: Correct and uh and so you know, and my wife, 173 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, she didn't watch hockey, and it was so 174 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: it was such a compelling series. It puts a violence 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: serious to you know. It was like you know, it 176 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: was like you know, you was you was you were 177 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: blown away because of the fact that you know, here 178 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: were two of the violent individuals that was sitting sharing 179 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: the state eat as warriors. Who can actually sit next 180 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: to you doesn't be civil? How did you translate you 181 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: being this? You know, you don't get a name like 182 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, car bomb unless you're doing something out there. 183 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: How did they translate? I know your teammates got you. 184 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: How did you translate away from the court with your competitors? 185 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Are the other teams in the league. So it's it's funny. 186 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Guys that did my job are usually the closest. We'd 187 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: run into each other at you know, bars or afterwards 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: at um other events and shake hands and hug and 189 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: it was just all part of the game. It's all understood. 190 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: It's similar to the confusion that you see. I'm sure 191 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: some people get when m m A fighters are clapping 192 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: each other and how bey immediately after the fight. Right, 193 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: So hockey's um very much like m m A on skates. 194 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so compelling and exciting when 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: you go and watch it live. That's such a different 196 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: experience when you're watching it on TV. But we get on. 197 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: We get on pretty well, and we understand that. You know, 198 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: we are gladiators in a sense that, um, we're programmed 199 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: to suffer and to take damage for the good of 200 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: the team. And however that looks. If that looks like 201 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: fighting somebody, then so be it. If it looks like 202 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: laying down blocking a hundred slap shot, um, however we 203 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: can get to the final goal of of winning. Uh, 204 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: it's all. It's all a part of that game. Just 205 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: just I know the interviews about this, but I just 206 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: want to get your feedback. I saw that, and I 207 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: was just taken away by the violence and then the 208 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: teamwork in the com camaraderie of it. A person like 209 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: you who was not part of that and saw that. 210 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: What was your takeaway? Was it too much violence? Did 211 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: you say wow? Sometimes, oh my god, when you watch 212 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: that that that that that special that was put put 213 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: on by ESPN A Red Birds, I mean the Red 214 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: Wings versus the Avalanche. Yeah, So that's how I learned 215 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: the game. I watched rock'em Sock them videos and I 216 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: watched these men be gladiators out there, and the game 217 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: was again, like much different back then than it is 218 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: today right where it's trending in a different direction. But 219 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: when I came up, I'm only thirty seven years old, 220 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: it was very much like that where you would start games, 221 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: the puck would drop and you'd have two guys fighting 222 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: right away, and so, um, you know, there's a couple 223 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: of things that bring people out of their seats, and 224 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: one of them that brings everybody out of their seats 225 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: is a fight. So um, there fights, line brawls, right, 226 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: so you saw less of like five guys fighting and 227 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: bench clearing brawls, et cetera. It still happened. Um, but 228 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: I think that you know, to make the game, to 229 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: grow the game outside of you know, the six Canadian 230 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: teams that we have, and and outside of Colorado and 231 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: these original six teams Chicago, Detroit, UH, we have to 232 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: the game has to evolve. And that's that's definitely what's 233 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: what's happening now. Cool. I'm speaking of Daniel Carcillo. Uh. 234 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: He's the two time UH Standard Cup champion with the 235 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Chicago black Hawk. What you did you win those those 236 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: those titles. So I lost to them in two thousand 237 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: and ten with the Flyers and then I ended up 238 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: signing with them in two thousand and twelve. I won 239 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: a Cup in two thousand thirteen. I was, I thought. 240 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: So I was in Chicago. I was managing Steve Harvey 241 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: at the time, and we were doing the talk show 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: at Chicago. I said, he problems up there when I 243 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: was up there, and one of those titles up there, well, 244 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: that city was on fire, man, because we did out 245 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: talk to the first season and y'all want it and 246 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: then ya wanted the game, man. That city was on 247 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: fire about the black Hawks. Man. It was, Yeah, it 248 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: was a really amazing time to be a black Hawk, 249 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: to be in the city. It really was one of 250 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: the modern dnasties because you don't see many teams winning 251 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: three times within an eight year period, you know, very 252 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: very special time. So so now now you're out of hockey. 253 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: And so let say we do play the game to 254 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: play the game. You play the game to win. You 255 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: play the game because God gave your talent. When you 256 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: start realizing that something's not right in the game that 257 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: you're playing, when did you start realizing that? Daniel? So, 258 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: when I signed with the black Hawks, I made an 259 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: intention to not you know, manage my symptoms with you know, alcohol, opiates, 260 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: UM toward her all quarters, all these anti inflammatories that 261 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: most athletes are on. So I was at twenty five 262 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: and when I got to the black Hawks, I met 263 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Steve Monitor, who was seven years sober and he had 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: been through sixteen traumatic brain injuries at that time, and 265 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: we were kind of just um. We became really really 266 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: fast friends and and stayed by each other's side for 267 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: the next five years. Uh In two thousand and thirteen, 268 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: Steve got cleared for four can cuttions in a twelve 269 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: week period, and so at that point he had nineteen 270 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: and he started to really suffer and I started to 271 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: see very similar symptoms in myself that he had. And 272 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: then those symptoms, Daniel, can you tell us who that's 273 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: what those symptoms were that you started to notice. Yeah, 274 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: so things like light sensitivity, slurred speech, headache, head pressure, insomnia, 275 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: impulse control issues, appetite loss, short term long term memory loss, anxiety, depression, 276 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: suicidal ideation, there was. You know, they're pretty serious symptoms, 277 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of the first onset of dementia. 278 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: And when you're experiencing that at thirty three thirty four 279 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: while you're still playing, and I'm watching my friend who 280 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: then retired, really accelerate his degradation if you will, Um, 281 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: I just looked at myself and I just had my 282 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: son in two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen feb where 283 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Steve passed away, and then he was found to have 284 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: a stage three ct E, which is a pretty progressive 285 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: stage for him only being thirty four. So at the 286 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: end of that year, we ended up winning again, but 287 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: I ended up suffering pretty bad. And then I got 288 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: my seventh concussion in March, and for reasons that I 289 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: made for my family and for myself, I decided to 290 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: retire and step away, and then I've since been on 291 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: this eight year brain health journey to recover my brain 292 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: quality of life, and it's brought me across a number 293 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: of different treatments and tools and modalities that I've been 294 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: able to luckily share with with the following that I have. Well, 295 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing about it when this interview 296 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: opportunity would presented itself to me, you know, you know, 297 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: coming off mental health, mind, coming off mental health and minorities, 298 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: and we're coming off with so many layers to trying 299 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: to get the message of quote Daniel, is that the 300 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: football pro football has done a good job of getting 301 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: the word out that we have a problem. You know, 302 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: we have a problem. They've talked about high school, they 303 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: talked about middle school, changing the way you tackle, you know, 304 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: not tackling with your head. All these things have been 305 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: put in place, and I felt that at least should 306 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: allow you to start telling your story, the NHL story, 307 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: because changes don't happen if it's just only a few 308 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: people hear about it. And I hope that my platform 309 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: allows more people to hear about it. What are you 310 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: trying to get out the most doing this interview about 311 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: the whatsnic health platform as well as the experiences that 312 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: may need to happen within the NHL for it to 313 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: be a safer but still entertaining league. Yeah, so as 314 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: far as the NHL goes, I'm really not trying to 315 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: do anything to change any rules. I just want because 316 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: damage is gonna happen, So I just want individuals in 317 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: the league, outside of the league, if you have kids, 318 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: to know that there's things that you can do to 319 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: train your brain to increase processing speed hand I court Nation, 320 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: as well as peripheral vision, because unfortunately, right now, there's 321 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: only a couple of things that can protect your brain 322 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: from further injury, which is seeing the hit coming and 323 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: bracing for it so that you stopped the whiplash, effect 324 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: effectively stopping the damage of your brain slashing around in 325 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: a rigid skull. And then things like CBD, which is 326 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: a patented neuroprotect and patented by the US government in 327 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: two thousand three, the only patented neuro protecting on Earth. 328 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: So things like that that I advocate for, and then 329 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: just the treatments that I've come across. I've been a 330 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: astaunch mental health, traumatic brain injury advocate, and I always 331 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: preface it with things can happen in different arenas, because 332 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: I've talked with veterans, have talked with domestic abuse survivors, 333 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: have talked with football players, um, cheerleaders, you know, swimming 334 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: people that swim and hit their heads during practice because 335 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: the pool is populated, So there's equestrian I mean, there's 336 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of different arenas. And I always just speak 337 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: from the context of if you're suffering, there's things that 338 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: you can do, and those things don't always include medicine. 339 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: They can because it does help, but they can also 340 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: include things like float tanks or self deprivation tanks, hyperbaric chamber, 341 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: cranial sacral which is a technique to to decompress the 342 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: brain UH and also supplementation regiments. And really that's where 343 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: we saw it was founded because up until three years ago, 344 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: I was still suffering. If you see them before and 345 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: after pictures, I was a complete shell of myself. I 346 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: wasn't able to put thoughts, words, conversations together, and it 347 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: was deteriorating pretty quickly. It was a very scary time 348 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: in my life. And and then I took an invitation 349 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: to go to a decriminalized city and use the active 350 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: ingredient in magic mushrooms, which is psilocybin, to recover my 351 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: brain health. And it happened in a in about a 352 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: sixty day period. I've now been on that regiment for 353 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: almost three and a half years, and I've never been 354 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: a healthier version of myself or higher operating. And just 355 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: making sure that you know once you find something that 356 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 1: you can create something like we Sanna, which can go 357 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: through the proper regulatory scientific rigor with the FDA to 358 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: create a new medication for people, because I believe that 359 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: people need a diagnosis and then they need a prescription 360 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: um that doesn't necessarily take them six months to get 361 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: acclimated to like the current accessor as an antidepressants we 362 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: have on the market. We'll be right back with more 363 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return 364 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. When they 365 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: sent the bio over to me about certain things they 366 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about. When I hear the word psychedelic 367 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: assisted therapy, I'm going to old school. I hear the 368 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: word a L s D. I hear psycho Okay, cool, 369 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: are we talking about that, Are we talking about CBD 370 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: or what are we talking about? What you're talking about 371 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: the assisted therapy because it's a it's a combination that 372 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: I've taken both hallucinogenic and non hallucinogenic. So when you're 373 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: doing the larger doses of psilocybin, you definitely want to 374 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: have a person there that's guiding you. So that's what 375 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: they speak about in the context of psychedelic assisted psychotherapy 376 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: and psychotherapy works. We know that and when you add 377 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: in something like psilocybin or m d m A that's 378 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: going to be coming online there and it's in phase 379 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: three for PTSD survivors with the FDA right now. You 380 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: are basically in a lot of these substances um looking 381 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: at the trauma, meeting the trauma head on. So in 382 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: the context of addiction, you are figuring out and you 383 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: will be shown why you are addicted to a certain 384 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: substance or why you're suffering from PTSD. You have to 385 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 1: relive that trauma in order to come out of that 386 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: ceremony UM feeling a little less weight. So then when 387 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: in real life you have something that triggers you and 388 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: triggers that trauma, you have a less emotional response to it, 389 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: effectively not needing the alcohol or the other substances that 390 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you would normally need to numb that down. So it's 391 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: a really efficacious way of of dealing with mental health symptoms. 392 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: And it's um successful over sixty seven percent of the time, 393 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: unlike what we have on the market now that works 394 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: around seventeen to thirty percent of the time. Was talking 395 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: to Daniel Castillo, I'm gos to um the was Sana 396 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: Health A two time champion, that's right, Stanley Cup and 397 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Chicago Blackhawks. He's a champion there now he's try a 398 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: champion of calls that's out there, trying to make a 399 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: difference with it. With the brain traumatic brain injury, you 400 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: know what, And we can talk with this car accidents, 401 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: we can talk about it's a lot of different worries. 402 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: Like like a knucklehead, I tell you, I gotta Hicky 403 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: right here, Daniel, when I was underneath the cabinet, forgot 404 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: the top cabinet was up and raised up automatically, and 405 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: bro I saw if I saw stars, I saw I 406 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: could I could touch them. And so these type of injuries, 407 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of like blow them off but 408 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: people have died from these type of injuries, you know, 409 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: sudden impact on your brain. So we cannot trivialize what 410 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about in any situation, especially when you involved 411 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: your kid in physical sports. Whether it's uh you know, 412 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: like I said, whether you know, we look at it, 413 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: we look at we look at wrastling, we look at football, 414 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: we look at uh hockey, But it also happens in 415 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: basketball because of physical contact, the elbows to the face. 416 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: You know, a suddenly going and elevating and air you fall, 417 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: hit your head on the floor. There's so many ways 418 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: that kids and young people are walking away. I just 419 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: want to let you know, man, you look fantastic and 420 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: very articulate. And to say that you were a stayed 421 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: several years ago where you were a shell of a man. Today, 422 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: my brother, you are outstanding. Man. I am I am uh, 423 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: I am a walking testimony to hear you that. I 424 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: want to see me whatever you gotta send to me 425 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: to promote what you're doing, because if this is what 426 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: it can get you from some from a shale, to 427 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: get you control of your lives. Being articulate, having a smile, 428 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: brand awareness, social awareness. Let's get that message out there, 429 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: what's not a where? Yeah, man, that's that's my new 430 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: wad conduct. Okay, thank you man. I appreciate the kind words. 431 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: And it's um yeah, it's been uh, it's been a 432 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: long journey. I feel I've always felt that there's a 433 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: larger purpose to life than you know, essentially pushing a 434 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: buck around. You know, it's kind of always Uh, I 435 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: have a mind that was always kind of looking for 436 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: other things even though I was in my career, and um, 437 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, you get tested and this 438 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: is uh, not necessarily another test, but really a culmination 439 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: of everything that I've done in my life up to 440 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: this point to help mitigate suffering, whether it's in the 441 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: traumatic brain injury context or whether it's outside of it, 442 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: because these medicines have the potential to help activate the brain, 443 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: help flush out you know, inflammation uh from from damaged 444 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: parts of the brain, stimulate the brain, essentially making us 445 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: feel better, more creative, better access to language and memory. 446 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: And it's um yeah, it's just a really exciting time. 447 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you having me on your platform to 448 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: to talk about this. I appreciate you because, first of all, 449 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: a knowledge is power, and when you have knowledge and 450 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: you're able to share with people who may not be aware. 451 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: I think it's even more credible experience the fact that 452 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: you've taken a brilliant career ten years and any board, 453 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 1: especially at the level you played, to walk away two 454 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: championships and then to be on my interview and be 455 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: able to articulate the next phase of your life. This 456 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: is the one that I always tell people anything in life. 457 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, athletic is a short phase of your life. 458 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: The other phase of your life that fifty plus period. 459 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: What are you doing now? You have a plan, my 460 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: friend Daniel and I am I want a champion in 461 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: and I'm very serious. Whatever you do, I want to 462 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, if you can give me 463 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: something that we can part down the information so I 464 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: can put it into my social media, put it on 465 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: my newsletter and things like that on my LinkedIn account. 466 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: I definitely want to assist you. And that's spreading the word. Okay, 467 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: of course I appreciate that. I'll definitely send over some information. 468 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to thank him for coming on 469 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: my show two times. Stanley cup to he was he 470 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: wanted when I was in Chicago. Okay, So I feel 471 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: like I got a little ownership for this man's relationship. Again, 472 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation aboutter Class. Daniel, Welcome. 473 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Thanks together. If you want to see this interview or 474 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: hear this interview on money Making Conversation Master Class, please 475 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: go to money Making Conversation dot com. I'm ro Sean McDonald. 476 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I am your host.