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Speaker 1: Gasoline alley. Hey, hey, hey, welcome back. Why don't they

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Speaker 1: need the car doctor. We're down here in gasoline alley.

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Speaker 1: Mister Ron Ross, SIMONEK Performance is in the house or

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Speaker 1: in the pits, actually, mister Ross, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: You know today's the big day it is. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the big day. By the way, before we

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Speaker 1: get into Automotivejeopardy, which is our feature with you today,

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Speaker 1: you know, I have an interesting comment to make. I

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Speaker 1: was down to the last stages of bringing Black two

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Speaker 1: to life, and you know, this week we got the

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Speaker 1: battery in it and all the lights lit up and

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Speaker 1: everything's like where it's supposed to be, and we heard

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Speaker 1: it crank a little bit, and you know, gee, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like it's doing about one thousand miles an hour cranking.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to start it. But I noticed that

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Speaker 1: the carburetor adapter plate, there's an inch spacer plate between

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Speaker 1: it was Dino tested, and I noticed that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it is not symmetrical. It would probably be the correct word.

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Speaker 1: The holes are equal size on one side, but the

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Speaker 1: other side. You flip it over and they're tapered, and

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Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. That's got to be to

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Speaker 1: increase airflow even at the carburetor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really looking to help the airflow make that

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Speaker 2: transition from the carburetor where it's traveling extremely fast, and

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Speaker 2: then we just taper that space around a little bit

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Speaker 1: Now can a carb spacer, And I guess they do

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Speaker 1: it today with throttle bodies. That's what the throttle body spacer,

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Speaker 1: kid is, you know, for the kids out there with

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Speaker 1: the two import cars getting the aftermarket kids, that's basically

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Speaker 1: what they're doing as well on the fuel injected cars,

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Speaker 1: bending the air at a different angle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing it to bend the air. Most of

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Speaker 2: us carbureted people here, old school stuff. I guess we

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Speaker 2: should say we're doing it to get the fuel to

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Speaker 2: make the turn, because like the old school oil bat

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Speaker 2: but that fuel is heavier once to keep going straight.

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Speaker 1: So it'll sort of separate company. Yes, it will kind

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Speaker 1: of an interesting concept. I thought you would. I thought

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Speaker 3: About work really well, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Automotive Jeopardy. Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I have my thinking cap on.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got to tell you I'm sort of going

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Speaker 1: to stack the deck against you because we're going to

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Speaker 1: see how good you are this week. You're ready to

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Speaker 1: go two against one. We've got spin Out in Vegas

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Speaker 1: in the control room, both against me, both against you.

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Speaker 1: So I'll bet we're going to see how the two

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Speaker 1: of them do Vegas. Are you guys ready in there?

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Speaker 1: I'm ready as i'll ever be. Yeah, Okay, spin Out

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Speaker 1: is spin Out with us? Or is he?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is he still on the phone? Yeah? Here he's here.

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Speaker 3: Spin Out You there, bab he's there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm here. I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I think the way we should work this is.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have to tell you something else.

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Speaker 1: I am the sixty eight thousandth rated billiard player in

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Speaker 1: the world. Really. Oh yeah, I didn't tell you that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Ron Courtney is the number sixty eight

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Speaker 2: I just want you to know that, number sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Number sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So you know a little bit of a hustler here.

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Speaker 1: She was telling us before how she makes money doing this.

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Speaker 1: She didn't make any side bets with you, did she?

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Speaker 2: No, I do have a custom pool stick I played

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Speaker 2: for many years my closet here. I may end up

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Speaker 2: owing some lessons or receiving some lessons.

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Speaker 1: If I lose here, the competition may continue elsewhere. So okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start with question number one, and what I'll do is,

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Speaker 1: let's if Courtney, I mean, Vegas and Spinout are gonna

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Speaker 1: wave in, mister Ross if you just want to clear

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Speaker 1: Do we have that? What famous hot rod character? I

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Speaker 1: was created by Big Daddy ed Roth. Spin Out is

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Speaker 1: waving his hands in there like he's going, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: There, spin Out, what do you got?

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Speaker 1: I think I have the first part, but something about

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Speaker 1: a rodent Vegas. You want to help him? Since we're

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Speaker 2: Boy, he sounds like he's typing away fast. Rat Fink

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Speaker 2: is definitely correct. We all have almost hot righters. Have

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Speaker 1: You gotta have a rat Fink T shirt. I think

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Speaker 1: we got to give that one to spin out in

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Speaker 1: Vegas number two. You ready, Okay? Nice music there By

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Speaker 1: the way, Vegas Dipstick would be proud. With Don Prudom's

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Speaker 4: Oh, mister Ross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the old time drag racer. I have an advantage,

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Speaker 2: but he called himself the mongoose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is correct.

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Speaker 3: Courtey was still stu I mean Vegas was still stuck.

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Speaker 1: On the road and so it was still an animal.

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Speaker 1: Started in nineteen twenty six. This car company closed its

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Speaker 1: doors last weekend. Who I know, oh Vegas Pontiac. Mister Ross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to agree with her. I did read

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're losing two to one, kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to pick up the pace here.

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Speaker 1: Crank it up, because you know next week it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be h you against dipstick. You know, we're just kind

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Speaker 1: Msd ignition systems are used by most NASCAR and nhr

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Speaker 1: A racers. MSD is an acronym for.

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Speaker 2: What, Oh, I'll take that one, go ahead, Multiple spark discharge.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the name of the company, is it.

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Speaker 2: No, it's really not. MSD is just a division of

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Speaker 2: Autotronics Control, much larger corporation. Their race division is MSTICK.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They must have to call it MSD because autotronics

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Speaker 1: big a decal, right, Yeah, that wouldn't work very good.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it. Vegas nitrous oxide, Yeah, sort of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's probably it's good and that

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Speaker 2: it's the cheapest way to add the most horsepower, But

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Speaker 2: Builders, right, I love it when they run nitrous.

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Speaker 1: Let me see, let me end up the score.

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Speaker 3: Vegas got that one.

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Speaker 1: Three, I think you're losing three to twe.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm ready for this next one, whatever.

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Speaker 1: It is, I think this is going to be the

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Speaker 1: Ford Motor Company produced eight different model cars that started

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Speaker 1: with this particular letter, and the clue is that it's

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Speaker 1: Thunderbird and Chirino. All right, then, Vegas, can you name

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Speaker 2: What were you for go aheads again? I know thunder.

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Speaker 1: Birds, Tempo Tempo.

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Speaker 2: You said Torino, that's right, Terrino. Okay, I'll take Uhoy

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Speaker 2: Going back to the Lincolns in my head.

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Speaker 1: I got to help the boys here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you do. Yeah, there's two more?

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Speaker 1: Can I play? I know one of them. One of

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Speaker 1: them is going to be a tracer, A tracer, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: and I bet I bet nobody can get the last one.

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Speaker 1: I know the last one.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we can't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Turnpike cruiser from nineteen fifty seven, if memory starts

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Speaker 1: It's got to be the chair they're sitting there.

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Speaker 2: It was second new car.

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Speaker 1: It was my second new car. Last question, I think

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Speaker 1: Last question. The term it's a doozy was coined from

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Speaker 2: Oh, mister Les Douzenberg.

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Speaker 1: Douzenburg, Yeah, that's kind of before all of your times

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Speaker 1: For you kids in there.

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Speaker 2: Jaylen would be proud that I got that automotive.

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Speaker 1: Jeopardy ends and a tie this week, which means we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have a rematch. Wow. Come so, mister Ross.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Any anything big in the shop this week real quick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just starting to get the calls now from

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Speaker 2: or it's on it's last week or two, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: Listen, if anybody you know, what we should do is

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Speaker 1: see if we could set up a phone two way

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Speaker 1: where we have you against them doing listener jeopardy like that.

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Speaker 1: So why don't we make that an option? And if

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Speaker 1: it's two oh one six seven zero.

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Speaker 2: Six seven YEP five to seven eight.

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Speaker 1: Four Cool beans, Ron Ross. We'll talk to you real soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, take good care Bye, Bye.

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Speaker 1: Ronny and the card Doctor.

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Speaker 3: We're back to rock and roll right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back the cardoc Pat Brooklyn, New York, double O

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Speaker 1: jeep Grand Cherokee going to help you.

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Speaker 4: about three years ago. I was Upstates driving and the

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Speaker 4: I was, okay, what engine is in this Pat six cylinder?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's the four zero motor, right? And did

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Speaker 1: it have any codes at the time when the check

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Speaker 4: Not really, Well it's.

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Speaker 1: A yes or no answer.

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Speaker 4: No, not really had no codes.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I was on a highway installed once. While I

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Speaker 4: and I made it home and then I I put

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Speaker 4: A few weeks later, I get up in the morning

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Speaker 4: I had a toe to my mechanic and he and

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Speaker 4: he checked everything out. He said, you need a new

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Speaker 4: was the PCM the computer?

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Speaker 1: Right? So you put a computer in the car. But

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Speaker 1: did let me ask you this question, did the problem

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: So, for some reason, somehow without a check engine light,

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Speaker 1: he came to the conclusion that he was going to

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Speaker 1: because I got a feeling you're going to tell me

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Speaker 4: Well, uh, well, now it's just I had the PC,

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Speaker 4: I had the PCM changed, uh uh you know, then

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Speaker 4: the skim modula, and then I had the uh cluster

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Speaker 4: am and a half time. And then I vote to Chrysler.

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Speaker 4: I bypassed my mechanic but left the Chrysler and they

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Speaker 4: said they couldn't find anything wrong with it, and other

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Speaker 1: What we're saying is the car has an intermittent stall

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Speaker 1: or dying problem exactly. And let me ask you this question, Pat,

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Speaker 1: did the word loss of communication come up in any

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Speaker 4: No, I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: So, okay, did anybody mention the word crank sensor to you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, if we're gonna guess, all right, and watch what

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Speaker 1: I say, because I'm sure you're gonna tell me that

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Speaker 1: they've tried this, they've tried that, and nobody's come to

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Speaker 1: All right, there's a couple of things we do for

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, before I begin, go ahead, I wrote

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Speaker 4: to Chris, and that's what they did. They checked the

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Speaker 4: harness and they saw some erosion and they just cleaned

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Speaker 4: it up. They replaced nothing. They charged me x amount

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Speaker 4: of dollars for the for the hours worked.

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Speaker 1: On because the problem still happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it still exists. But this is like around last

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Speaker 4: year during the winter. Okay, now all winter, have the

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Speaker 4: lights on. The engages were going intimately on, all the

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Speaker 4: meaners going out to zero, right, but it was it

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Speaker 1: H comes, we went back up a second. So when

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Speaker 1: you're saying the gauges are acting up. Is this the

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Speaker 1: same symptom it had when it first stalled two years ago?

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Speaker 4: No, this is no, this is it's difffferent.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So it stalled two years ago for no reason, restarted.

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Speaker 1: The mechanic did a computer, he did an instrument cluster,

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Speaker 1: he did a skin, which, for everyone's benefit, is a

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Speaker 4: Hey, why yes? But what happens in uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: all winter last year, a problem with the gauge is

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Speaker 4: like a Christmas tree. But then come the spring, it

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Speaker 4: no problem during the summer with the car, fine, no stalling, nothing.

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Speaker 4: Now come come winter last month, the same problem persists.

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Speaker 1: So it's a temperature. It's a temperature sensitive issue.

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Speaker 1: Of When when the problem first occurred three years ago,

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Speaker 4: I was warm?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've got two separate problems. Then you realize that

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Speaker 1: from your sounds of it, from what you're describing, all right,

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Speaker 1: and I can't tell you from my seat if the

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Speaker 1: being replaced improperly, a bad new part, or the actual

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Speaker 1: all right. The fact is somebody swapped in a bunch

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Speaker 1: of very expensive parts, and I don't know the reason why.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to work from that, all right, because

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of assuming it's like it may be a

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Speaker 1: Well, if we're gonna, you know what, pat, if we're

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Speaker 1: of the five old signal we'll pull down the PCM

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Speaker 1: and will affect certain operations of the vehicle. I can't

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Speaker 1: a ten year old jeep one hundred thousand miles on it.

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Speaker 1: If it's never been changed, I'm going to throw a

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Speaker 1: sure if we talk dollars, I'm sure you've got one

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Speaker 1: go back and mention the word crank chef position censor

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Speaker 1: to them, but get a Chrysler part. If we're going

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Speaker 1: what if anything else is additionally wrong with that vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Runnin Ending in the car.

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Speaker 3: Doctor, We're back right after this, Hey run.

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Speaker 1: An Annie in the card Doctor here, I guess to

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Speaker 1: kind of conclude this hour, I have to point out

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Speaker 1: that it's the time of diagnosis has to be that

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Speaker 1: of times this hour. The cost of diagnose has to

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Speaker 1: be much more beneficial to you. Diagnose, diagnose, diagnose, the

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Speaker 1: three rules of diagnosis. Never forget it, I'm not an anie.

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Speaker 1: In the card doctor, a shell stone at some house

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