1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I never thought that I would care about who ascended 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: to the number three party leadership position in the House, 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: but believe it or not, the House Conference chair race 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: seems to signal a whole lot about the future of 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and the conservative movement. Liz Cheney is out, 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: at least a panic is in. I'm Michael Knowles. This 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: is Verdict with Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Senator. Usually we talk about very heavy things 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: from the Senate, from the upper Chamber on this show. 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Now we've got to talk about the lower chamber. I 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: hate to bring the tone down here, but this race, 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: in an ordinary year, this would be sort of a 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: nothing story has come to dominate the news cycle, and 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: it's the left is making a lot of hay out 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: of it because there's infighting in the GOP, so they 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: like that. But Republicans are paying a lot of attention too, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I think, because there's a big split here for the 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: future of the party. You had Liz Cheney was in 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: the position, and she spent a lot of her time 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: bashing conservatives in the Washington Post and other left wing outlets. 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Then you had at least Stephanic who has a more 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: liberal voting record actually than Cheney, but she, I guess, 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: was more loyal to Donald Trump, and she was nicer 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to the conservative base. You then had Chip Roy, who 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I seem to recall you note quite well, indeed very 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: a very conservative member of the House. He was challenging 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: Stephanic for the position. It's a little insider baseball, but 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 1: I think that this probably could have some big effects 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: on the party. You know, yes, and no, I actually 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: don't think it's that big a deal going forward. I 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: think the press wants to turn it into World War 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: three because their favorite topic is Republicans in fight wars. 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: And it's also the only way Democrats can keep the 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: House in twenty twenty two is if we have a 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: civil war on the Republican side. If we don't have 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: a civil war, I think we are very likely to 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: take the House in twenty two, and I think we've 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: got a decent shot at taking the Senate. Look what 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: the House Republican Conference did. It had to do. Uh, 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney could no longer be in a leadership role 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: because she had she'd lost it. Yeah. I actually liked Liz. 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I get along perfectly fine with Liz. I don't agree 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: with her on everything. You know, when it comes to 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: foreign policy, Um, she's much more of a neocon. She's 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: she's willing to send the Marines at the drop of 46 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: a hat. I disagree with her on that one. You look, 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: she believes that sincerely. I just I think she's wrong. Um, 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: but what caused this? So she hates Trump and she 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: had criticized Trump, she voted doing peach Trump. And then 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: there was another effort to like vote her out a 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, and it failed. It failed resoundingly. 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: It failed. I think two to one that I remember 53 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: that had she just shut up, she would have been fine. 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: It actually would have been very simple for her to say, 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I've said everything I'm going to say on that, I 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: got nothing more to say, and she would still be 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: Republican conference chare. They had a vote on it two 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: to one. What was weird as she decided that it 59 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: was somehow made sense to spend every day attacking all 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: of the other Republicans. Do you think was this an 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: accident that her emotions ran away with her or do 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: you think this was strategic? No? I think I think 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: she was on tilt. Look if someone who is supposed 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: to be your leader, is attacking every other member of 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: the party every day. At some point, it's like, all right, enough, already, 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: you can't be our leader. Like you can have your views, 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: but you ain't leading us if you're if you say 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: we suck every day long like and so she forced 69 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Republicans to vote route. I don't think it's indicative of 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: a broader civil war because I actually think Lizz's views 71 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: are really a tiny fraction of the party because you 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: hear this in the media, and I'm you know, us 73 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: media all hates Trump, and so if Liz hates Trump too, 74 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: she's in the majority position. Look, a couple of weeks ago, 75 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: Liz had a comment blasting me and saying that that that, 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, I should be ineligible for support, and it 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: was funny. I actually my press team said, okay, what 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: kind of what kind of comment should you make on this? 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: And we sort of talked back and forth what sort 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: of comment I should give, And like I said, I 81 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: like Liz, I don't have personal animosity, and so the 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: comment that I came up with, as I said, you know, 83 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: I think I'll just say, well, you know, I think 84 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: she has a very promising future as an MSNBC contributor. 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Beyond this intra political house race, you know, or the 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: meta political I guess, the politics of politics. I'm interested 87 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: in some of these other races around the country because 88 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: a lot of us are looking at twenty twenty two 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: and then ultimately at twenty twenty four. You've been involved, 90 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you've made big endorsements. There have been races 91 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: that have taken place. Where does the party stand when 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: we're actually facing the voters. Look, I think we're in 93 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: a very good position. I told you, I believe twenty 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: twenty two is going to be a very good election. 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: There's actually an earlier moment than that, which is you've 96 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of states that have off cycle elections, 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: and so Virginia, for example, Virginia's electing a new governor 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. And if you look historically, the 99 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: last time you had a Democratic White House, a Democratic 100 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: House of Representatives, and a Democratic Senate was two thousand 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: and eight. Barack Obama was elected with Democrat majorities of 102 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: both houses. They passed a radical left wing agenda two 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. The next year, Virginia elected a Republican 104 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: as governor. Bob McDonnell, and Virginia is often a Canarian 105 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: a coal mine because it's the first chance voters get 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: to express their views on where things are going in Washington. 107 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: I think Biden, Schubern Pelosi are going radically left, and 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: I think Virginia we've got a very good shot at 109 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: electing a governor. So the Republican nominee is a guy 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: named Glenn Yonkin. Glenn is a friend of mine. So 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: I endorsed Glen in the primary, and I campaigned with him. 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: So last week I was on the road with Glenn. 113 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Did I don't know, seven or eight rallies all over 114 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: the state. Interesting the way Virginia picks it's governor. They 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: did for a modified convention where they had delegates. They 116 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: had about fifty thousand people who were delegates to a convention, 117 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: and it was a distributed virtual convention sort of a 118 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: COVID thing was weird. So it wasn't a primary, but 119 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't like an in person convention. So it was 120 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: a strange election to campaign because you basically got fifty 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: thousand people who were eligible to vote. Who are the 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: people who have registered to be delegates? Okay, And in 123 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: the rallies. I mean, we had the two days of rallies. 124 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: We had several thousand people come out, and I think 125 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: we ended up seeing in person in those two days 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: probably about ten percent of the delegates who ended up voting. 127 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: Some people are saying, I sound like president from there. 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying everybody's talking. Some people 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: are saying that your endorsement was decisive certainly for the 130 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: people that came to the rallies. I think to many 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: of them that was persuasive. And I do think my 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: going and barnstorming with him also helped him bring out 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot more people to the rallies. So there's sort 134 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: of a double you can drive, a narrative, you can communicate, 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: there's a you know, a vouching process of Okay, look, 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: I as a voter may not know so and so, 137 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: but but if I trust you and you know so 138 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: and so, that means something. And then I do think 139 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: the particularly in this sort of weird distributed convention getting 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: the people to come out to the rallies. I think 141 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: there were some people that came to the rallies that 142 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: were coming because they were supporters of mine, but they 143 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: saw Glenn and he's impressive, like when you see him 144 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: in person, He's an impressive guy. He's a likable guy. 145 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: And I suspect there's some people who came to the 146 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: rally not knowing if they were going to back him 147 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: or not. Who I think when they left decided they 148 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: were going to back Now, Senator, I want to talk 149 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: for a second about two weeks to slow the spread 150 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: turned into about fourteen months. But now it seems round 151 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: the other side there's been insanity the entire journey, and 152 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the entire journey has also been marred by a consistent 153 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: refusal to listen to science, masked in a facade of science. 154 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: And our guests today, Steve Days, who is a dear friend, 155 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: who is a brilliant thinker, a brilliant writer, a fearless conservative, 156 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: has written a book. And so Steve, tell us about 157 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: your book. There are two things that are really hallmarks, 158 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: pillars of our healthcare system that the average American, if 159 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: they were faced with a serious healthcare decision in their 160 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: own lives, would be granted automatically, and they have been 161 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: denied via public policy collectively for the last year. The 162 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: first one is informed consent. You have a right to 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: consent to a treatment to know whether the treatment is 164 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: worse than the disease. That's been denied us. In fact, 165 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: in the last few days, ironically, a lot of the 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: data that people like me were called crackpots for disseminating 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: for the past year about masks and lockdowns and shutdowns 168 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: and social distancing numbers and where the six feet originated 169 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: from a student's term paper and all these other things. 170 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: It's funny just in the last couple of weeks, now 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: suddenly they want to confirm all these things because apparently 172 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: somebody's internal polling is really really bad. The only science 173 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: that evolves that fast, guys, is political science, if you 174 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Okay, so that's the first thing 175 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: is informed consent. We were denied that. The second is 176 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: the right to a second opinion. I mean, somebody comes 177 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: to you and says, well, you've got a really terrible 178 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: mass on an appendage, and I've got to remove that 179 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: appendage so it doesn't spread to the rest of the body. 180 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: That might be true. Before you give up an appendage, 181 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: you're probably going to go get a second opinion because 182 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you kind of like your appendages. And there have been 183 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: experts from the very beginning at some of the most 184 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: renowned centers of academia in the world, Oxford, number one 185 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: rated university in the Earth, Stanford, Harvard Jail, some of 186 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: the top rated universities in America that have had varying 187 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: opinions and contrarian opinions from a public policy standpoint on 188 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: how to deal with this pandemic, and they have been 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: almost exclusively ignored. In fact, recently, Governor DeSantis in Florida 190 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: hosted a panel with them, and that panel got banned 191 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: on YouTube because apparently some skinny gene wearing avocado toast 192 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: obsessed engineer at Facebook knows more about COVID nineteen than 193 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: doctor Martin Coldorf at Harvard, who designed the Bear's Incident 194 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: website for the CDC. That is the world in which 195 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: we live, and it's why we've kind of had this 196 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: hammer meets nail, ham fisted one size fits all authoritarian 197 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: and solution over the last year and set of solutions 198 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: that might have actually solved some things. So let's talk 199 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: about lockdowns, which was a Dracronian step that was imposed 200 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: across the country. What was the scientific basis for lockdown? 201 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Does it make any sense that we saw the entire 202 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: country voluntarily shut down and destroy trillions of dollars of value, 203 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: destroyed people's lives. What was the basis for this? There 204 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: was not really the notion of quarantining the healthy. I mean, 205 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: this has never been done in human history, quarantining the 206 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: healthy during a pandemic, during an outbreak. We did this 207 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, this was experimented. This was an 208 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: experiment that came from a student term paper that somehow 209 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: made its way into some halls of science late in 210 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: the Bush administration George W. Bush. They looked at it 211 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: and thought, wow, that's stupid. It's never going to work, 212 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: And somehow we ended up doing it last year. And 213 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: then a lot of this also came from the Imperial 214 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: College model that was really on March sixteenth of last year, 215 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: which says, by the way, that it doesn't know for 216 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: certain how coronavirus is spread. Now, I don't know, man, 217 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: I didn't stay on a holiday and at Express last night. 218 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: But I kind of think that when your model on 219 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: transmission of a virus admits it doesn't know how a 220 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: virus is transmitted, maybe that's a problem. Your model is 221 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: a problem. Okay, But it said if we didn't do 222 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: these social distancing matter issues. If we did not do 223 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: these things where we put people away for a period 224 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: of a few months and then let them come back out, 225 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and then if they did, the virus return. So we'd 226 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: have to do waves and waves of these lockdowns and 227 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: reopenings over the course of several years. That that's because 228 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: millions and millions of people would die if we didn't 229 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: do it. Here's the problem with why this all didn't work, 230 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: because it all began from a flawed assumption. Well, really 231 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: a couple of flawed assumptions. Number one, that the Chinese 232 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: were telling the truth. That was a flawed assumption. These 233 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: were I'm really shocked that the nation that was faced 234 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: with its first open trade war from the United States 235 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: in decades and was on the heels of unprecedented civil 236 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: unrest in its chief financial district of Hong Kong when 237 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: a virus broke out, thought the best thing for the 238 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: rest of the world to do was to economically shut down. 239 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: What a weird coincidence. So we didn't have Wuhan for luck, 240 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: we'd have no luck at all, all right, So we 241 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: couldn't trust the Chinese. That's number one. These were all 242 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: their solutions, but then number two because we didn't understand 243 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: that the virus was primarily as airborne spread contagion. That's 244 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: why that's why there's no real outdoor spread. That's why 245 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: you're loose fitting cloth masks don't work. We heard about 246 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: droplets and fomites for months and months and months, when 247 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: in reality it is an airborne contagion. Steve, I want 248 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: to talk for a second about the subtitle of the book. 249 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: The title is The Faucian Bargain, but the subtitle refers 250 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: to the most powerful and dangerous bureaucrat in American history. 251 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: We're sitting here with the United States Senator, with a legislator. 252 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I thought that the way laws were made in this country, 253 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: correct me if i'm was that the legislators legislate and 254 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: the executive, who is also elected and forces the law. 255 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: But somehow we've gotten into this position where these technocrats, 256 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: these eggheads, are governing the country and have much more 257 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: power than our elected officials. You apparently watched the same 258 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Schoolhouse Rock Michael that I did growing up. I'm just 259 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: a Capitol hill, right, But you know it's funny. As 260 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: Congressman Thomas Massey was tweeting yesterday that he was on 261 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: a domestic flight and the flight attendant came out and said, 262 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: under federal law, you must wear your mask at all times. 263 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: And Massey's like, wait a minute, I'm the guy. I'm 264 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: the only guy on this plane that makes laws. I 265 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: don't ever remember voting on any social law, all right, 266 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: But that's one of the main points we raise at 267 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the book. Michael is in the 268 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: introduction that even though there's a singular figure here in 269 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci, he has been the point person on this 270 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: all along. The reality is he's eighty. If he had 271 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: retired at seventy five seventy like a lot of other 272 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Americans do, particularly ones looking at the pension that he's 273 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: got staring him in the face, it would have just 274 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: and somebody else that another creature would have emerged in 275 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: the black lagoon. He is pardon the theological punt here, 276 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: legion that this is what the technocratic administrative state produces. 277 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: It might have been Debbie Bedazzle your facield Burks instead, 278 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: or Francis Collins, who went from mapping the human genome 279 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: to being fully vaccinated and wearing masks outside, who who 280 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: knows who else. It would have been some other nameless, 281 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: faceless bureaucrat and no one else had ever heard of 282 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: until now. But this is the way that the system works. 283 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: We passed the buck of accountability. Well, these are what 284 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: our experts told us, These are what our technocrats told us, 285 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: This is what the bureaucrats told us. And then you 286 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: have no way of going at them. They're never elected. 287 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: Your elected officials washed their hands of it. Well, we 288 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: just did what the experts in the bureaucratic class told 289 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: us to do. And the and the and the notion 290 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: of government by the consent of the government. Michael is 291 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: just thrown, is just tossed aside. So if you write 292 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: a sequel to the book, and it's it's dacy and 293 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: bargain um. What should our leaders have done? If we 294 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: can go back in time and Steve Dass in charge, 295 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: the Wuhan virus begins, what should we have done? There's 296 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: there's two things I would have done if if I 297 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: were the oracle at Delphi and consulted in the matter. 298 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: The first is to me, I don't believe the fifteen 299 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: days to flatten the curve. I think it was I 300 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't have made that decision, but I think it's an 301 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: understandable decision. I think it's like in a basketball game 302 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: when the other team's on a scoring run and your 303 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: coach calls the time out to thwart their momentum. And 304 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: so I think, Hey, we're getting all this unprecedented heat pressure. 305 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Don't know if we can trust what China is telling us. 306 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: Let's just get it too, baby, and let's just set 307 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: this one out for a couple of weeks and see 308 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. The thirty days to slow the spread, 309 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: I believe was the absolute worst decision in the history 310 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: of the US presidency because the entire narrative was lost 311 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: from there during the fifteen days. That's when President Trump 312 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: and his advisors should have brought in John Ian Edis 313 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: from Stanford. Scott Atlas from Stanford, Jay I can never 314 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: pronounce his last name correctly from Stanford, sat Thank you, Michael, 315 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: appreciate it for the solid bring in Sinatra Gupta from Oxford, 316 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: members of the Center for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford, 317 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: Scientists from Carnegie Mellon, doctor Katz from Heart from Yale, 318 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: doctor Risch from Yale, doctor Colder from Harvard. Put him 319 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: in a room with Debbie Burke's put him in a 320 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: room with Francis Collins at nih and Anthony Fauci. Put 321 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: all those people in a room, put him on camera. 322 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: It's a steel cage match of expertise. There's wisdom in 323 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: a multitude of council Let them put their heads together, 324 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: let them bounce ideas off of one another. We never 325 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: did that. We never consulted a second opinion, and essentially 326 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: allowed Anthony Fauci to use the Trump White House as 327 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: his ascendency to potentate status, unassailable status. Well, and Steve, 328 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you'll recall how a number of weeks ago, I had 329 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: reporters in Washington freaking out because I wasn't wearing a 330 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: mask while doing a press conference and talking to a 331 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: TV camera, And this one reporter in particular, through a fit, 332 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: I observed, Look, everyone here has been vaccinated. What why 333 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: you know? I watched the CDC's announcement last week, and 334 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: in particular their explanation on Sunday that the science has evolved. 335 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: Is it new science that vaccines work? Or was this 336 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: always Look, I haven't been wearing a mask for a 337 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: lot of weeks. On the Senate floor ever since I 338 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: got vaccinated. I'm like, Okay, look, I believe in science, 339 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I have a vaccine. What the hell am I wearing 340 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: a mask for? And yet there were only as of 341 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: last week, there were only four senators not wearing mask. 342 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: There was Rand Paul who hasn't worn one throughout it. 343 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: I was the second, and I haven't worned a asked 344 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: for well over a month now after I got vaccinated. 345 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: Roger Marshall, another medical doctor, was the third who didn't 346 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: wear a mask, and actually, just starting last week, jim 347 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: risch roma Iawa became the fourth, and he finally said, 348 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: all right, to hell with it, I'm taking my mask off. 349 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: I gotta say yesterday, after the CDC announcement, I walked 350 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: onto the Senate floor and two thirds of the people 351 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: are maskless. Chuck Schumer is maskless. And I just stood 352 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: there and basked in the freedom. You know, we had 353 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's you know, pseudo State of the Union address 354 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: where everyone wore a mask in a chamber where everyone 355 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: there had been vaccinated. Is this a new evolution of 356 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: science that vaccines work? Or was the CDC full of 357 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: crap when they said people who are vaccinated should wear 358 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: nineteen masks and be in an isolation Champe. Well, you see, 359 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: it's quite clear. I think it gets to Steve's subtitle here, 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: no science changed, but what changed were the statements from 361 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: these bureaucrats, these very power bureaucrats, and then everybody, including 362 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, fall in line. I suppose we can be 363 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: happy in the short run that we get to take 364 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: the mask off, we get to breathe the sweet air 365 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: of freedom, at least to some degree. But to your point, Senator, 366 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: and Steve to your book, we may well see a 367 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: sequel of this soon, So can we hold on to 368 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: our freedom? And I will note there at least some 369 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: of my Democratic colleagues who I think should keep wearing 370 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: the mask, and if only they could tighten it a 371 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: little bit, because some of their words are still getting out. 372 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: And if we get just tightened those masks, that really 373 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: would be a public service, you know. On that very 374 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: important medical advice, I believe we need to leave it there, gentlemen, 375 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: but I strongly recommend that everybody go out and get 376 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: the Faucian bargain, not only because you will learn a lot, 377 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: not only because it's very important as a political matter, 378 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: but also because it's a very funny title. Steve, thank 379 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: you so much for being here, Senator. We've only got 380 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: a minator two left, but I cannot let you go 381 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: without bringing up this mail bag question. I think it's 382 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: very important. And you know, we're talking about all sorts 383 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: of politics and the politics of politics and this insider 384 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: baseball stuff. So if you think that the number three 385 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: position in the House doesn't matter, let's talk about the 386 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: Prince of England. This is a question from a Carl 387 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: Carl wants to know. Senator Cruz, would you please explain 388 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: to the limey overseas how the First Amendment is most 389 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: certainly not bonkers. Thank you love the show, Carl. Yeah, 390 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: that piss me off. For those who don't know, Prince 391 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: Harry is even still a Prince the erstwhile the sometime 392 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: Prince the artist formerly known as Prince Harry called the 393 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: First Amendment bonkers in an interview. Yeah, he kind of 394 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: reminded me of King George and Hamilton as as sort 395 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: of this foppish knitwit singing to the colonies. You'll be back, 396 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: you'll be back. Please contain a little bit of I 397 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: got phone in front of you. That's only for the 398 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: subscribers that we need to have subscribers that that that's 399 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: worth talking about. Well, if the pitch is that they 400 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: get to see me do a soft shoe, I don't 401 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: know that that's going to be the strongest sales pitch, 402 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: but yes, it would be great too. So would you 403 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: do it in full costume of King George? Well, that's 404 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: the only way I would. Good, it's good, good, I'm glad. Look, 405 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Prince Harry, I don't care if you're here. 406 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: I actually like the whole Megan Markle thing. I find 407 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: it difficult to find something I care less about, so listen, 408 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily fault the guy for saying 409 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: I want out. Fine, I you know, okay, you want out, 410 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: but don't be a pretentious leftist knitwit. And if you 411 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: do come to our country, fine, you want to come 412 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: to our country, great, Like, don't don't have such an arrogant, 413 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: elitist condescension to this country that you don't bother to 414 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: understand anything we're about. Um, he's ridiculing the Constitution and 415 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, and I get that that just don't 416 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: believe in free speech, that that they want government control, 417 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: because you know what, it would be really nice, I'm 418 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: sure from his perspective, if he could silence anyone from criticizing, 419 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: of course, but that's not the way it works. But 420 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: freedom is a powerful thing. And by the way, the 421 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: last British monarch who said you can't have freedom, we 422 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: threw their tea in a harbor and kick their ass 423 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: in a war, right right, And there is something to it. 424 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: I guess there actually is a bit of a through 425 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: line when we're talking about the house race or other 426 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: races around the country, or even Prince Harry, which is 427 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: there's something very unseemly about this ingratitude, you know, to 428 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: your family, to your adoptive country, to this great political 429 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: system that's given you a lot of rights, to your constituents, 430 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: that to your your words, that condescension, that arrogance, that 431 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: elitism is really whatever the future is for the Conservative movement, 432 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: for the Republican Party, for our politics, that ain't it. 433 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: If that is the future, then count me out. I 434 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: want to be out of that. But of course we're 435 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: going to see how that future is going to break, 436 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: not just in the Republican leadership, but in these races. 437 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and then ultimately twenty 438 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: twenty four, but we'll have to I suppose hold it 439 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: there for now. I'm Michael Knowles. This is Verdict with 440 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. 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