WEBVTT - The Latest on NBA Tampering Scandals

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of This League, the NBA is coming

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<v Speaker 1>down on the dumbest thing called tampering that we've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And JJ Reddick knows and think he thinks he knows

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<v Speaker 1>who is to.

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<v Speaker 2>Blame, David fucking Griffin. All right, let's get into it, Marty.

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<v Speaker 2>Drop the beating.

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<v Speaker 3>To take care and you'll be waiting for a splendet

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<v Speaker 3>the grand life. Go let me go, and everybody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about tampering as a whole, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's first start with the news because I have lots

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<v Speaker 1>of thoughts on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole concept of tampering.

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<v Speaker 1>The one liner just for those who want to like

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<v Speaker 1>skip to the end, I think it's bullshit. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the news is this, As we know, the Heat are

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<v Speaker 1>under intense scrutiny with how the whole Kyle Lowry thing

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<v Speaker 1>went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they are now under.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigation from the NBA into potential quote unquote tampering in

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<v Speaker 1>their acquisition of Kyle Lowry on a sign and trade

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<v Speaker 1>with Toronto. But they were in talks at the deadline

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<v Speaker 1>for Kyle Lowry, so that's some other element of this news.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did the NBA get tipped off about this?

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<v Speaker 1>How did the NBA decide they wanted to investigate the

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<v Speaker 1>Miami Heat well beyond the fact that the deal went

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<v Speaker 1>down and got announced at six forty five PM. Very

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<v Speaker 1>complex deal, multiple pieces. But JJ Reddick, a noted scorned

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<v Speaker 1>former Pelican, thinks he knows exactly how play the clip bulls.

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<v Speaker 4>But what's the point of the league even doing these

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<v Speaker 4>sort of like investigations where nothing's going to come of it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's a little bit for show, probably, I guess,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I think you'd probably have to ask

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<v Speaker 4>the guy who's asking for the investigation. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>there was you know, some teams like cleared a ton

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<v Speaker 4>of cap space to get Kyle and it didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know Lonzo leaving.

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<v Speaker 5>So you'd have to ask that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, guy complaining, so to.

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<v Speaker 1>Recap, he's talking about his former GM David Griffin, who

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<v Speaker 1>has problems with and what he's referring to is that

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<v Speaker 1>the Pelicans made moves to clear thirty five million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in cap space to pay Kyle Lowry anything Kyle Lowry

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to overpay for Kyle Lowry. Essentially, Kyle Lowry was

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<v Speaker 1>an integral part of their off season plans, yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>were thwarted by the Miami Heat doing the sign and

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<v Speaker 1>trade with Precious at Chulia and Goran Dragicic to replace

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<v Speaker 1>Lonzo Ball. And then Lonzo Ball of course, didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay with a team that really didn't give a

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<v Speaker 1>fuck about him. They had been, you know, basically trashing

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<v Speaker 1>Lonzo Ball this the entire season. We had discussed it

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times in the Pod. He was being used at

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<v Speaker 1>a position and then swoop swoop, he'd get Lowry right

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<v Speaker 1>from under their nose.

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<v Speaker 2>And we knew that was happening the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Before free agency, which is why the Lonzo Ball deal

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<v Speaker 1>got done at literally six' oh. One, yes that was

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<v Speaker 1>the first, deal which is important to note because The

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<v Speaker 1>chicago deal got done with The New Orleans pelicans basically

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<v Speaker 1>the most tampering with that side in, trade where it

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<v Speaker 1>Was Thomas saturanski And Garrett temple For Lonzo ball.

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<v Speaker 2>On this sign and.

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<v Speaker 1>Trade, so to, me the strange wild thing About David,

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<v Speaker 1>Griffin griffin pressing THE nba to launch an investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>The Miami, Heat it's, like, bruh.

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<v Speaker 2>You got your own tampering problems to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>About you are you are the drug dealer that pushes

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<v Speaker 1>major weight, COCAINE, pcp, heroin and you're, like, hey my

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor is selling donbags out of his trunk of his.

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<v Speaker 2>Car it's like The Miami heat were on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking one yard line With Kyle lowry at the trade,

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<v Speaker 1>deadline couldn't make the deal done because they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid Of tyler Hero they figured out a way.

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<v Speaker 2>To do the, deal and you obviously are tampering.

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<v Speaker 1>More and now you're, like go get Pat.

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<v Speaker 2>Riley what the? Fuck it's like mafia don Pat. Riley

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<v Speaker 2>like if anyone's.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to pin a legal activity on Pat, riley that's

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<v Speaker 1>literally like trying to pin a.

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<v Speaker 5>Murder On John.

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<v Speaker 2>Gottie like it's just not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen like it's just Pat riley is absolved FROM nba.

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<v Speaker 1>Scrutiny nothing's gonna. Happen it's gonna it's a little slap

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<v Speaker 1>on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Wrist. Right but so there's HEAVY i, MEAN i don't

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<v Speaker 5>know exactly if there's an investigation going, on but there's.

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<v Speaker 5>Heavy actually there, is like into The. Pelicans so did

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<v Speaker 5>that occur because he went and talked about The, HEAT i,

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<v Speaker 5>think and it just. BACKFIRED i think it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that's. Funny Bobby marks was like fifteen seconds into the,

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<v Speaker 1>thing The Chicago pelicans deal goes. Down, yeah obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Just chicago that's going to get. Dinged New orleans

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<v Speaker 1>is going to get dianned because it's the same. Deal

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<v Speaker 1>it's like both sides of that trade have to be

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<v Speaker 1>investigated and.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to be worse because they lost the. Trade

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<v Speaker 5>and like the only thing going for The pelicans right

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<v Speaker 5>now is that they've accumulated so many draft picks they're

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<v Speaker 5>probably going to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Something they're going to probably lose some draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Picks and on top of, THAT i don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this BUT i looked into the maximum amount

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<v Speaker 1>of fines for.

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<v Speaker 2>Tampering do you know what that number? Is no idea

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<v Speaker 2>ten million dollars for?

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<v Speaker 5>Tampering and so does that like affect the cap for

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<v Speaker 5>the next? Year, mike that's kind of. Why, yeah that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild so you've Got David griffin play and connect for

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<v Speaker 1>with the Gram master Of, chess and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so so. FUNNY i love THAT Jj reddick knew

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<v Speaker 1>immediately that it's Like David griffin is the salty Balls

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<v Speaker 1>tattletale trying to saddle Pat riley with this tampering. Investigation it's, like,

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<v Speaker 1>bro what the fuck are you? Doing so, funny but

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<v Speaker 1>not as funny to me as like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the league is trying to pedal to us that tampering

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<v Speaker 1>is something that we should be outraged, about that we

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<v Speaker 1>should all be trying to crack the whip on players

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<v Speaker 1>and teams and agents and. Gms like tampering is like a,

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<v Speaker 1>rollie not a, Stopwatch like it is happening at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Times it don't ever. Stop the only time tampering doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>stop is when THE nba says that it's legal and

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<v Speaker 1>they lift the. Moratorium that's the only time it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>legal and not. Happening that's the only, time because it's always.

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<v Speaker 5>Happening like, YEAH i mean it's a silly. Thing, Hey

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<v Speaker 5>it's just it's impossible to police because you can't stop

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<v Speaker 5>players from. Talking you just. CAN'T i, mean they're gonna,

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<v Speaker 5>talk they're gonna talk about how they can team, up

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<v Speaker 5>and that just that just. Happens and like the people

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<v Speaker 5>that end up getting punished for, it it often is

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<v Speaker 5>like pretty, Silly like a lot of the. Fine LIKE

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<v Speaker 5>i remember When Steve kerr was THE gm of The,

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<v Speaker 5>suns he said, like oh, Yeah lron wants to take

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<v Speaker 5>the mid level, exception we take, him and he got

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<v Speaker 5>fined for tampering for.

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<v Speaker 1>That so it's Like Draymond green got fined On, UH

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<v Speaker 1>i want to SAY nba NOT nba, Countdown oh inside

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<v Speaker 1>THE nba side THE nba when he said something about

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<v Speaker 1>like That Devin booker needed the.

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<v Speaker 5>League, yeah, yeah, WELL i mean it's just so.

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<v Speaker 1>Stupid it's like literally these or When Magic johnson said

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<v Speaker 1>something positive about another player and it's, like you think that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Tampering let me let me tell you what's really going.

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<v Speaker 5>On, yeah, no It's i've always thought tampering is just

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<v Speaker 5>the dumbest thing in THE U tar.

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<v Speaker 1>World apparently right now it's bubbling. Up it's becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>hot topic At Summer. League SO espn just reported this.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote most team executives are quick to blame the competitive

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<v Speaker 1>market that forces their hand by requiring them to either

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<v Speaker 1>make offers in, advance well in advance of free agency,

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<v Speaker 1>opening or being risk being left out in the coal.

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<v Speaker 2>When the market officially.

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<v Speaker 1>Opens according to, them agents approached them and inform them

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<v Speaker 1>weeks weeks Before august.

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<v Speaker 5>Second.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying you need to make bids within.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty four hours or risk being missing out on the

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<v Speaker 1>most attractive.

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<v Speaker 5>Targets, yeah makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Sense so executives say that the solution that they see

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<v Speaker 1>is just to allow teams and agents to negotiate as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as the season. Concludes this is the worst kept

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<v Speaker 1>secret on. Earth this is What Mark stein, said which

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<v Speaker 1>was his example of how very obvious the tampering. IS

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<v Speaker 1>i got a tip from a trusted source check Out

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel tice To houston four, years thirty six. Million the,

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<v Speaker 1>tip which proved, correct was floated to me.

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<v Speaker 2>On july twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>Ninth that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Drafted that was also nearly four full days before the

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled start OF nba free agency On august. Second tyson's

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<v Speaker 1>eventual deal with The rockets was one of roughly one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty contracts and extensions agreed upon by various

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<v Speaker 1>media outlets in the first forty EIGHT a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>deals going down in the first forty eight hours of

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<v Speaker 1>the open.

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<v Speaker 5>Market, well we joked about. It we were, like, like

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<v Speaker 5>imagine What woja's scheduled tweets look like right?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah exactly where he says the league's supposed opening

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<v Speaker 1>bill is much closer to the end of free agency

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<v Speaker 1>than the.

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<v Speaker 2>Beginning how Niche.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Like Kyle lowry to The heat where we

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<v Speaker 1>all could kind of guess, that Like Daniel tye four,

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<v Speaker 1>years thirty six million to The Houston. ROCKETS i, mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's a smoking gun right. There so let's just stop the.

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<v Speaker 1>BULLSHIT i don't understand then the rule needs to. CHANGE

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<v Speaker 1>i don't know why there's a moratorium between the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the end of the season and the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the free.

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<v Speaker 2>Agency there's really no need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait imagine if you opened up free agency as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the season concluded before the, draft how much better

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<v Speaker 1>teams would actually.

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<v Speaker 5>DRAFT i mean that's how THE nfl does. It they

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<v Speaker 5>do free agency before the, draft, Right, Yeah i've always

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<v Speaker 5>thought that kind of made more. Sense. UH I mean

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<v Speaker 5>the only problem with it is if, like, oh so

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<v Speaker 5>you you open it right when the season, ends like

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<v Speaker 5>people are just going to like be negotiating during the

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<v Speaker 5>playoffs and so so it's like no one's ever going

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<v Speaker 5>to follow these. Rules that's like the, Thing so just

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<v Speaker 5>like lift it, Completely like why do we need this

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<v Speaker 5>as a.

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<v Speaker 1>RULE i think free agency should be negotiated like in

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<v Speaker 1>the last year of your, deal decide where you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>go like it's never not going to, happen so that

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as your season ends you can just decide

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<v Speaker 1>you can.

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<v Speaker 5>Just, WELL i guess the reason is the owners want

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<v Speaker 5>it because they want to be able to negotiate with

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<v Speaker 5>their players exclusively and stuff like. That THAT'S i guess the.

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<v Speaker 5>Reason but it's STILL i, mean just.

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<v Speaker 2>Lock your players up before their free.

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<v Speaker 5>Agency that and just, yeah no one's ever going to

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<v Speaker 5>follow these, rules.

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<v Speaker 7>Falls it's sound to risk it.

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