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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hi Elizabeth, Hi, my name is Elizabeth and yours Aaron.

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Speaker 3: You can call me Dizzy and LISZ.

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Speaker 2: How you have to ask you a question?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I got time, and that.

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Speaker 2: Question is you know what's ridiculous I do?

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Speaker 3: And this one is in honor of our recently lost

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Speaker 3: great one, Ozzy Osbourne. Now, a lot of people been

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Speaker 3: sharing different things that Ozzy did over the years, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of focus on some of the well known things. Well,

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Speaker 3: I found one from some eyewitnesses who would know some Ozzy.

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Speaker 3: The members of Motley Crue, Oh boy yeah, and they're

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Speaker 3: in the dirt a memoir. The members of Motley Crue

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Speaker 3: shared a bunch of stories from the road and as

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Speaker 3: aka the world's most notorious rock band, which they take

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Speaker 3: pride in. Nicky six tells the story of Ozzy Osbourne.

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Speaker 3: It dates back to nineteen eighty four and NICKI six,

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Speaker 3: I will just turn it over to him. Quote. I

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Speaker 3: handed Ozzy the straw and he walked over to a

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Speaker 3: crack in the sidewalk and bent over it. I saw

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Speaker 3: a long column of ants marching to a little dugout

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Speaker 3: built where the pavement met the dirt, and I thought

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Speaker 3: to myself, no, he wouldn't. He did. He put the

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Speaker 3: straw to his nose, and with his bare white peeking

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Speaker 3: out from under the dress he was wearing like a

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Speaker 3: sliced honeydew, he sent the entire line of ants tickling

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Speaker 3: up his nose with a single monstrous snort.

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Speaker 2: Ozzie didn't they like sequence his jeans?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the sequences whole genome right. And they found

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Speaker 3: that Ozzie had numerous genes they had never seen before,

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Speaker 3: and they theorized this is how he was able to

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Speaker 3: do all the drugs he did and survived what he did.

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Speaker 3: So he was a literal genetic mutant from Keith Richards totally,

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Speaker 3: and I want one for myself, just to test a

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Speaker 3: couple of things. Yes, No, I think Keith Richards definitely

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Speaker 3: would be interesting. And then I'd like to see his

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Speaker 3: and compare some notes on my own, because I'm like,

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Speaker 3: how am I still alive? And I'm like, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not Keith. I'm not saying that, but I just

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Speaker 3: want to see if, like, Okay, here's where it is.

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Speaker 3: Because he he's the hero, he is, He is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Elis that's ridiculous. Do you want to know what else

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Stealing from your own kid. No, no, this is Ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous. Damn right, that's right. You studied film, right, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I went to film school technically.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, you know all about the history of film.

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Speaker 3: I would say all about it, but I know a

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Speaker 3: lot more than the average bearer.

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Speaker 2: You're a cinophile, Yes, I think that's fading. And I

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Speaker 2: know you love old Hollywood stories.

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Speaker 3: I do love old Hollywood stories. I love old Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: What's the beginning of an industry? This is going to

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Speaker 2: change the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean it's really the synthesis of all

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Speaker 3: of the art forms up to that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to change how we see things, how

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Speaker 2: we understand things, we see ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a think of how many criminals we know

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Speaker 3: about change.

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Speaker 2: It's going to change crime. It's going to inspire generations

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Speaker 2: of would be bank robbers.

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Speaker 3: It's good stuff, powerful stuff, powerful magic.

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Speaker 2: Powerful magic. So if you want to go early early Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: That's the silent film era. Yeah, and so before the

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Speaker 2: talkies roughly eighteen nineties to the late nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so they get jazzing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was during the twenties they produced about

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Speaker 2: eight hundred feature films each year, and then, like you said,

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Speaker 2: the Jazz Singer comes out in twenty seven, the silent

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Speaker 2: length film was synchronized silog, but until then it was,

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Speaker 3: Totally, they're very powerful because as I said, they gave

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Speaker 2: It's very distilled that the dialogue was conveyed through inner titles,

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of like an ancient Greek theater where

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Speaker 3: A lot of the poses to represent things. There's a

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Speaker 2: They would take that theatrical grounding of it, and that

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Speaker 2: Crazy, it looks super crazy. But like, so they would

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Speaker 2: So those early films were also shot on nitrate, highly flammable,

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Speaker 3: In the Tarantino film, you see that moment where the

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Speaker 2: Glorious.

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Speaker 2: Film that, But what it means a lot of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so crazy.

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Speaker 2: This is big business though, Like it's this sensation, so

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Speaker 2: This is basically the same. But stars stars, that was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of the early stars, like Harold Lloyd,

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Speaker 3: That's why you get a lot of old cowboys like Calm,

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Speaker 2: Bill Junior nineteen twenty eight, a full building facade falls

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. There were times when it didn't go so well,

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Speaker 2: His stunts afterwards. He would wear gloves or prosthetics. In

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Speaker 3: A thousand faces total.

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Speaker 2: He made like homemade prosthetics to get these crazy, terrifying looks.

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Speaker 2: Yah Phantom of the Opera nineteen twenty five, he pulled

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Speaker 2: The first movie fan magazines emerged in this era.

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Speaker 3: That's right, of course, like the Rudy Valentino.

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Speaker 2: And Photoplay Motion Picture Magazine. They created Hollywood celebrity culture totally,

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Speaker 2: Over the boundaries right of storytelling, cinematograph. This the industry

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Speaker 2: airplanes to drop free tickets over Manhattan Wow, and this

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Speaker 3: It was one of the most amazing things ever done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah the time, well, it was filmed for the movie.

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Speaker 3: Everyone wanted to expensive. They had to get it right.

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Speaker 2: And the wreckage, Yeah, because you only get one take.

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Speaker 2: The wreckage remained in the river for decades and it

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Speaker 3: Oh and then there's like Chaplin who would fake it

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the most like the Catharsis.

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Speaker 2: Right, So Chaplain he'd grown up in extreme poverty in

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Speaker 3: I even thought about that suddenly everywhere.

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Speaker 6: Nice, Okay, al right, here we are Jackie Coogan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Jackie, he's the first child star.

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Speaker 3: I didn't thought about that.

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Speaker 3: Like before Little Rascals and like you know, Spanky and Alfalfa.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's the twenties. It's hyper commercialism. At

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Speaker 2: Jackie Coogan dolls, whistles, figurines. There was a Jackie Cougan

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Speaker 2: So by age seven. He's an international sensation. He starred

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Speaker 3: You want to handle those problems with the money you have.

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Speaker 2: He's a little kid.

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Speaker 2: In public, his life is like storybook perfect. Here's the

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Speaker 3: This stuff, and he's like Shirley Temple. Everyone loves him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we like we talk a big game in our

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, if you're lucky, you get old. But

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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. A lot of the qualities that

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Speaker 2: So money troubles they start to mount because like, he

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Speaker 2: not until he's twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Think it would be good to do with your money.

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00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: And he's been he like, there's he's got this on

438
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: the horizon. He's saying, I just got it when I'm

439
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: twenty one, you know everything. But he's like all those

440
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: con artists we have, we're like, look, when I turned

441
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 2: twenty one, I come into this and here he really does,

442
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: but can you spot me? And here's poor Jackie Coogan,

443
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: can you spot me? And they're like, I don't know.

444
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: So then in nineteen thirty five, something horrible happened. It

445
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: was May fourth, nineteen thirty five, a Sunday afternoon. Jackie's twenty.

446
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: He's traveling in a car with his close friend Junior Durkin,

447
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: who was his co star is Huck Finn in the

448
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: film Tom Sweart totally. Also in the car was Jackie's dad,

449
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: John Cougan Senior, and then there was Charles Jones, a

450
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: business associate and he managed the ranch that the Cougan Zone.

451
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: And then there was a film producer, Robert Horner. So

452
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 2: there's five people in the car. They're near Pine Valley

453
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: in the Cuyamaca Mountains, southeast of San Diego. And so

454
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: they're on the San Diego Imperial Valley Highway, this winding

455
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: mountain pass, narrow road, you know, steep gravel surface. A

456
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: group of guys on a weekend hunting trip. So they're

457
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: in a Hudson roadster. They're on their way back to

458
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: La Jackie's dad's driving. Jackie and Junior Dirk and are

459
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: riding in the rumble seat.

460
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 3: Those are the way back fold out seat essentially.

461
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there an oncoming car came at them

462
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: too tight and they were forced off the road. They swerved,

463
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: lost traction, plunged over a one hundred foot embankment. Dear god,

464
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: car rolls multiple times before landing in this rocky ravine.

465
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: Jackie Cougan, there's.

466
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: Like probably no seat belts in that car seat inventedge.

467
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: Jackie Cougan was the sole survivor.

468
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: The survivor thrown early.

469
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing. And some of the reports

470
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: said he was thrown, others said that everyone else was,

471
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: but that he hung on And there was one interview

472
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: where he said he kind of curled up and like

473
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: held onto the bottom of the rumble seat. Tumble three,

474
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: four tumbles down. But either way he survived with minor injuries,

475
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: just like cuts and bruises. He broke some ribs. Sure

476
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: everyone the four other documents were killed instantly or died

477
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: shortly after. It was horrific, and it was this huge

478
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: news story totally, so it's front page news across the

479
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: United States. Here's Jackie Coogan, who'd been a beloved figure

480
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: for nearly a decade he's young. Like, the tragedy really

481
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: shook people, and it must be it must be so

482
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: hard to be in the public spotlight and experience a

483
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: tragedy like this and then like see it splashed all

484
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: over newspapers and magazines. Never mind today when you also

485
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: have to contend with all the booger eaters online get

486
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: their jolly is from like saying crass and hurtful things

487
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: at a time like that. We're just like, you know,

488
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: really like distasteful thing.

489
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's horrific, Like do you have a soul?

490
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: Comments exactly, And so I can't imagine having your your

491
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: private tragedies in public like that. So there are headlines

492
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: like Jackie Coogan orphaned in tragic car wreck, like his

493
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: mom wasn't in the car, but whatever, And so thousands

494
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: of telegrams of indolence get sent to the Cougan house.

495
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: So they had parasocial relationships then.

496
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: Too, very much so, And like the thing is is

497
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: that Jackie's dad was his greatest advocate, He managed his

498
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: early career, he protected him from like the worst of

499
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: the exploitations, and so his sudden death left Jackie really

500
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: vulnerable emotionally, financially, Cougan would later say that the crash

501
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: marked the end of his childhood. That's it. So afterwards,

502
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: like his relationship with his mom and his stepfather becomes strained.

503
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: And it was in that same year.

504
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: Wait, the mother was already divorced and had the stepfather.

505
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, mother was already divorced, had the stepfather. Same

506
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 2: year of the crash, nineteen thirty five, Jackie was going

507
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: to turn twenty one, okay, and that was when he

508
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: was scheduled to take full control of the fortune. So

509
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: there are all these newspaper articles marking the approach of

510
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: this major milestone. Wow, there was speculation as to the

511
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: magnitude of his fortune, like.

512
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, because they don't know, they don't know his.

513
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: Money had servedved the stock market of nineteen twenty nine

514
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: because apparently, like his dad was a really smart investor

515
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: in crafty showfolk.

516
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: I don't think they trust things like the stock market

517
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: like that, right.

518
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: And there were guesses about like real estate holdings at

519
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: that time. So here's this young man who at the

520
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: time was dating Betty Grable, what actress and famous pin

521
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: up mode. Yeah, the legs platonic ideal of Hubba Hubbo

522
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: he'd go on to marry her.

523
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know.

524
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Betty Grabl's pin up photo is like

525
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: in every cockpit of a plane on.

526
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: The wane, literally painted on the side of the plane.

527
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: She motivated men in World War Two, nobody else.

528
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: By the way, I have that poster like where she's

529
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: she's looking over her shoulder. I have that somewhere from

530
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: like my Hollywood at times.

531
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 2: Look at that. Look here we are full circle. I

532
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: get it, you get it. So he's got Betty Grabil

533
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 2: on his arm. He's about to come into a massive fortune.

534
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: He just got through an absolutely unspeakable tragedy. He's a survivor.

535
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: The public loves this, so they love all the stories

536
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: of speculation and oh my gosh, what's going to happen

537
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: when he turns twenty one. So when he turned twenty one,

538
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: he asked for access to this fortune he'd earned as

539
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: a child, and then he found out that it was gone.

540
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: What do you mean gone?

541
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: Virtually all of it was gone. They'd spent it on

542
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: fur coats, diamonds.

543
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: Cars, something million, seventy five million essentially in our money

544
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: on our fur coats.

545
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: His mother and stepfather refused to relinquish any remaining money.

546
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: They said that Jackie had been well cared for and

547
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: that the money was quote ours, not his.

548
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: What the absolute after going on? I would dad, I

549
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: was Jackie.

550
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Coo stepdad made the argument that Jackie was just a

551
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: performer in a family business as their stepdad, and therefore

552
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: had no exclusive rights to the earnings.

553
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

554
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: So Jackie, he's betrayed and he's infuriated as this, he

555
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: filed suit. He sued his mother and his stepfather May twelfth,

556
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty eight. Jackie Coogan, he's twenty three years old,

557
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: filed a civil lawsuit against his mom and his stepfather.

558
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: He alleged scum back.

559
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: He alleged a bunch of things. Number one, breach of

560
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: fiduciary duty that's obvious, theft of personal property, constructive trust violation,

561
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: violation of verbal and implied contracts. He wanted a full

562
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: accounting of his earnings and return of any remaining assets

563
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: or property.

564
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: I want to everything.

565
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: He tabulated up they should give him around three million

566
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: dollars three, which is the equivalent of more than sixty

567
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: eight million dollars too. So three millions, yeah, so it's

568
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: like if today he's like, you owe me sixty eight

569
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: million dollars, I gotcha, yes, he said, quote I dread

570
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: going to court, but I see no alternative. If my

571
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: father were alive, I wouldn't have to sue. He intended

572
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: that the money I earned would be kept in trust

573
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: for me until I was of age. He often told

574
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: me so. And it is a bond, this fact that

575
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: I am basing my suit. Oh yeah, so Lilian the mom,

576
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: she's quoted as saying that her son was suffering from

577
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: a hallucination. What yeah? And then she like, she just

578
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: holed up in her mansion and van eyes and she

579
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: only had that because Jackie the house, the Jackie Bill.

580
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: She tried to keep the process servers locked outside, but

581
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: they finally broke down the gate, rushed into the house

582
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: and handed her the service papers. She didn't say anything

583
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: to them, and then she made this now infamous public

584
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: statement to the press, quote, Jackie will not get a

585
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: cent of his earnings. Every dollar a kid earns before

586
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: he's twenty one belongs to his parents.

587
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Oh my head is boiling.

588
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: I know so the trust me. So the assertion was

589
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: legally true at the time, though I know protections the.

590
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: Children, children were working in factories and losing their fingers.

591
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: Nobody gave no.

592
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: One gave a damn. Arthur Burnstein. He echoed the sentiment Stepdad.

593
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: He said that any money they'd spent was to maintain

594
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: Jackie's lifestyle and that no trust fund had ever existed.

595
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: So you guys keep talking about this trust fund.

596
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 7: I know.

597
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: His dearly departed father said there was no there's not.

598
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: So they said that most of his earnings were used

599
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: to buy a large house in la and that was

600
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: put in Lilian's name. It had to cover travel, private tutoring,

601
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: and servants. That they invested in bad stock market ventures,

602
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: and then the depression wiped it out. But that contradicted

603
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: the evidence that his late father had done well by him.

604
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: So investigations later revealed that Coogan's contracts were signed by

605
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: his parents and not him. His earning yeah, yeah, he's

606
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: a minor, His earnings had been deposited into accounts held

607
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: solely in his parents' names, and that no structured trust

608
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: or fiduciary safeguards had been created. So at the time,

609
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: California law did not require parents to preserve a child's earnings. Legally,

610
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: parents owned any income earned by their minor children unless

611
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: otherwise specified those regulations requiring trust accounts oversight of the earnings.

612
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: So it means that Jackie's lawsuit had to argue not

613
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: just on legal precedent, but on moral grounds and implied contracts.

614
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: So the case got underway. Jackie's lawyers they were able

615
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: to show that his film contracts reported multi million dollar earnings.

616
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: There were all those endorsement deals for the themed products,

617
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: and then tax records showed these huge incomes for a decade.

618
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: Like one of the few times that like studio math

619
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: is on your side, right.

620
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: Exactly, And so Jackie was like, look, I earned this

621
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: money through my labor and performance. The funds had been mismanaged,

622
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: depleted without my consent. I didn't know about any of

623
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: this kind of spending like his parents, like I said,

624
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: luxury items, furs, you know, gems, and they denied him

625
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: financial independence. And then he testified, and this he had

626
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: all these witnesses. It seemed like a solid case. But

627
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: his mom and stepdad's defense went back to common law

628
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: that parents had a legal right to control the minor

629
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: child's earning. They said that they provided for him, they

630
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: owed him nothing now absolutely nothing, and that it was

631
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: all a family enterprise.

632
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: Had wanted free work.

633
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: They're like, you know what, Jackie really enjoyed himself. He

634
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: didn't think of it as work. He thought it was play,

635
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: of course, and his mom said, quote no promises were

636
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: ever made to give Jackie anything, and then she said

637
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: he was quote a bad boy on top of it all.

638
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: So the lawsuit used up all the money that Jackie

639
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: did have, and in fact, he pretty much went broke

640
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: during the trial paying lawyers and whatnot. He needed cash badly,

641
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: so he reached out to the only person he really

642
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: felt he could trust, the person who saw the talent

643
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: in him in the first place, Charlie cha Oh. Yes,

644
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin immediately spotted him one thousand dollars, no questions asked.

645
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: Because the one person is going to relate.

646
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that's twenty three thousand dollars a day like here, Yes, but.

647
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: It has the power to actually do something.

648
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: It kept Jackie going, both financially and in spirits like

649
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: you can do that.

650
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: And in the press that's an important place still that But.

651
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: This wasn't made public. It was all later in like

652
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: a book about Chaplain's life that that came out so

653
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: Chaplain wasn't like blowing his trumpet about it, like look

654
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: at me.

655
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I didn't think that, But I mean it

656
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: would be like I'm going to help fight go into

657
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: or whatever.

658
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: This is wrong, this take care of yourself. Yeah good,

659
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: let's stop here. When we get back from these ads,

660
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you how the lawsuit went.

661
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's finally the first breath of fresh

662
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: air I had.

663
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Jackie Coogan.

664
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Jackie his story. Man, it's a heartbreaker,

665
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: and thank you for that Charlie Chaplin moment, because we

666
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: needed to put the fire out on my skin that

667
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: he build it.

668
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: We needed that that Catharsis, Yes, is what we needed.

669
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: So Jaggie Coogan sues his parents because they stole his

670
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: money that he made as a child star. He wants millions,

671
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: but there weren't millions left. He figured there should have

672
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: been at least three million left of his earnings and

673
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: that would be more than sixty eight million today. Remember,

674
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: But it turns out that his parents, mom and stepdad,

675
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: had burned through everything except for two hundred and fifty

676
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: thousand dollars I know. So they wound up settling out

677
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: of court. With him for one hundred and twenty six

678
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: thousand dollars.

679
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: They split what they had isn't yeah.

680
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: Which is the equivalent of like two point eight million today,

681
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: And that was all that was left of what he'd earned,

682
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: So basically he gets half. He also got some personal

683
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: property like cars and jewelry, but like and some of

684
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: the money was tied up in real estate. But either way,

685
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: it was only part.

686
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: Of his own. He got the thousand van eye I

687
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: hope so too. Kick her out of it. Come on,

688
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: and that stepfather, Oh my goodness, you weren't even there.

689
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: And you weren't there, dude. It was only part of

690
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: his earnings, but it was the best result possible given

691
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: the legal framework.

692
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: Sure, I understand that, I mean yeah.

693
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so Lillian Coogan and Arthur Bernstein they never admitted wrongdoing.

694
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: They kept ownership of the Coogan family home and other assets,

695
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: and they were never criminally charged. So that was it.

696
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: The public appalled. They were as disgusted as we were.

697
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: Hollywood was sold the image of this lovable, precocious boy

698
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: only to have this reveal that he's been like drained

699
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: by these vampas.

700
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: And they were familiar with her because she was always

701
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: doing the press.

702
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: She was all over the place. She was like, you know,

703
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: when he was hanging around with Betty Grable at first

704
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: she would say, Oh, he's too young to get married,

705
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: and making all these comments like it was really weird anyway,

706
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: So they're supposed to be protecting him. Instead they're taking everything.

707
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: The public was like, someone has to do something about this,

708
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: Someone has to make this right now. They couldn't go

709
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: back in time and change things, but they could make

710
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: it better for the next batch of child actors.

711
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: Did the mafia come in? Gosh?

712
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: California State Assemblyman Charles H. Reel to faction. He introduced

713
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: a piece of legislation in nineteen thirty nine, the California

714
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Child Actor's Bill, and that became known as Cougan's Law.

715
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh yes, So.

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: The law requires a few things. One, a portion of

717
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: a child actor's earnings originally fifteen percent but now higher

718
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: has to be placed in a court administered trust called

719
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: a Cougan account.

720
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: Totally.

721
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: I was familiar with the Cougan's Law. They mentioned it

722
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: in Hollywood. You often hear it mentioned about the child actors.

723
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: I always thought it was the studios who had screwed him,

724
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was his own parents.

725
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then it also requires a judge's oversight on

726
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: contracts that involve miners in entertainment. A parent or guardian

727
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: has to manage funds transparently and in the child's interest.

728
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: And they've updated the law multiple times, like nine in

729
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty twelve to tighten requirements and close any loopholes.

730
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: That of course, like these these bad parents are going

731
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: to figure out a loophole exploit it, then they have

732
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: to like rewrite a part of the law. That so,

733
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: while it didn't retroactively restore Cougan's millions, it became a

734
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: foundational legal protection for child performers across the United.

735
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: States protect a Hirley Temple.

736
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: Yes, this wouldn't save other child stars completely from being

737
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: exploited by their parents. Like Shirley Temple right she did.

738
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: She also saw most of her earnings go to her parents.

739
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: It while not as publicly acrimonious as Cougan's case, she

740
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: acknowledged that poor financial management left her with a very

741
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: small fraction of her wealth. So like it kept by

742
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: the Cougan's low stuff, but the much getting right right.

743
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: Gary Coleman, the star of the TV show Different Strokes.

744
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: He sued his parents, then a former business advisor in

745
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine for misappropriating He.

746
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 3: Mentioned that to me while he was cooking Korean barbecue.

747
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: I once worked with him. Okay, yeah, so when I

748
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: was in Hollywood and I was doing cartoons, and uh,

749
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: he was a star of one of the cartoons we

750
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: were working on. There was this pilot and we went

751
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: out to dinner and he was I always remember this.

752
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: He's like on the table cooking the Korean barbecue. You know,

753
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: Korean barbecue they have like the yeah, like the whatever

754
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: the fires on the barbecue was at the table, like

755
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: on the tabletop. So he's like standing on his chair

756
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: and like putting the mcmeat on my plate. And I

757
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: was like, I love this guy. This is one of

758
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: the craziest moments in my life. And he mentioned the

759
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: Cougins law. That's why I thought it was the studio.

760
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: He won a one point three million dollar judgment against

761
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: his parents and former business advisor, but he still struggled totally,

762
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, throughout his oa.

763
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: That's why he was doing cartoons for us. I mean

764
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: like he needed to work. He always had to work.

765
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: There's Macaulay Culkin.

766
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he got screw by s.

767
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

768
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: In the nineties, he was the highest paid child actor

769
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: in HollyHood. He wanted emancipation from his parents during their

770
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: divorce because he said that they were mismanaging the seventeen

771
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: million dollar fortune he had. Corey Feldman, he has spoken

772
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: openly about the financial and emotional abuse during his youth.

773
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: He said that when he was fifth, by the time

774
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: he was fifteen, he had quote virtually no money left

775
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: due to parental exploitation. And you know, he was also

776
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: shoveled off to Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch, as was Macaulay Culkin,

777
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 2: which is a whole other crime scenario that we don't

778
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: touch with a ten foot pole around these parts. That's

779
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: zero percent, but it's just a pattern of exploitation. Drew Barrymore.

780
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: She became legally emancipated from her parents when she was

781
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: fourteen after she had this like chaotic upbringing.

782
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 3: With all the drugs and.

783
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: Her mismanagement, Like you know, her mom blew through it,

784
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: and yeah, she was like carted around a nightclub studio

785
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: fifty four. She did coke as a tween. If you

786
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 2: read Little Girl Lost Her book wild anyway, So what

787
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: of Jackie Coogan?

788
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: What happened to Jackie Cook'll tell you Saron.

789
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: World War two off him a second act of sorts.

790
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: He enlisted in the US Army in nineteen forty one.

791
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: He had had some pre war training as a pilot,

792
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: and so he joined the Air Force. Served as a

793
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: glider pilot in the China Burma, India theater.

794
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: Interesting.

795
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: Wow, his service was like courageous. He got respected, he

796
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: got a medal. Everyone loved him for this. And then

797
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: after the war he came back and he returned to

798
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: acting as a character actor, and he worked steadily in

799
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: films and on television throughout the fifties and the sixties.

800
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: But he never regained a list status like he'd had.

801
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he was able to work.

802
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: But he had a strong work ethics, really well liked

803
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: in the industry.

804
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And then one day, I imagine.

805
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 2: One day something special happened. Sarin, close your eyes.

806
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I told him. He stuck that one

807
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 3: on me, Elizabeth, right, like sliding into home.

808
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: Here, I want you to picture it. It's spring of

809
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four. You are a young production assistant at

810
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: film Ways Incorporated. It's a studio that makes a lot

811
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: of hit sitcoms. You've been assigned as a driver and

812
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: sort of assistant for a new show that's filming at

813
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: General Services Studios in Hollywood. This is exciting. You've only

814
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: been on the job for a couple of months, but

815
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: you've met so many stars. George Burns has an office

816
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: at General Service Studios and you walk by it every day.

817
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: He kind of recognizes you now and greets you with

818
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: hey kid when you pass each other on the lot.

819
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: You've been sent out to pick up one of the

820
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: actors on this new show. It's sort of an ensemble cast.

821
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: He's a really nice guy. You weren't familiar with him,

822
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: but he's just so pleasant and happy. You're driving down

823
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: Santa Monica Boulevard. It's very early in the morning and

824
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: traff of his light. You pass Highland Avenue and then

825
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: you turn right onto north West Palmas. As you glide

826
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty two Fairlane five hundred into the studio lot,

827
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: you nod at the security guard at the gate. You

828
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: park the car and walk to the soundstage with this actor,

829
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Jackie Coogan. That's the guy. It seems a little nervous.

830
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: His friendly face and big smile are contradicted by the

831
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: sweat beating on his balding head. His eyes dart around,

832
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: taking in the last minute set construction and scatter of

833
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: conversations and people walking quickly around you finishing up last

834
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: minute tasks. He sees that you've clocked this. He turns

835
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: to you and says, quietly, the first day of a

836
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: shoot always makes me a little anxious. I never know

837
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: what people will think of me, what they'll remember of me,

838
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: what they expect of me. You tell him you're sure

839
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: he'll knock him dead. He laughs, pats your back, his

840
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: eyes sparkle. You point the way to costume and makeup.

841
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: Then you head over to the production manager to see

842
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: if there's any other projects for you to complete. They

843
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: call for the cast to come to the soundstage. A

844
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: bell rings. You're looking at the set with its weird

845
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: baroque piano, giant taxidermy, bear oddities, knickknacks, lush oriental rugs

846
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: or taxidermy, and for some reason, a noose hanging from

847
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: the ceiling. It's all reds and pinks and yellows. You

848
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: know it'll be filmed in black and white, and you

849
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: wonder how that's gonna look. You feel a tap on

850
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: your shoulder. You turn and it looks like death himself

851
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: is standing there. It's a man, completely bald, sunken, almost

852
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: bruised eyes. He wears a heavy black tunic with some

853
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: sort of fur mock turtleneck to it. He looms over

854
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: you and gives you a manic grin. Wait, you know

855
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: that smile, mister Coogan. You ask, what do you think? Kid?

856
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 2: He responds, you are blown away. You can't believe the transformation.

857
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: He heads to the stage and takes his mark. The

858
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: director calls action. You hear Jackie Coogan deliver his lines

859
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: and it doesn't even sound like him. He's so deadpan.

860
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: He's fantastic, he's hilarious. He's Uncle Fester, and this is

861
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: the new show that will debut in the fall, The

862
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: Adams Family. You may be new to the biz, but

863
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: you know a hit when you see one.

864
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this so much made. Oh

865
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: my god, I love that.

866
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: So Jackie is back to accolades a whole new generation

867
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: of fans. Uncle Fester became an icon, and kids who

868
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Speaker 2: had never heard of the kid now absolutely adored his

869
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Speaker 2: like eccentric, bald headed uncle can character.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've never known that's who it was.

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Speaker 2: That's who it is.

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Speaker 3: Too happy right now.

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Speaker 2: He kept acting into the seventies. He was on Like

874
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Speaker 2: the Brady Bunch Hawaii five. Oh. He played Genie's uncle,

875
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Speaker 2: Suleiman Maharaja of Basenjia on My Dream of Genie. In

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Speaker 2: true Hollywood fashion, Jackie was married four times. He had

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Speaker 2: three shorty marriages, all the actresses. Betty Grable in nineteen

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00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: thirty seven. They divorced in thirty nine. In nineteen forty one,

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Speaker 2: he married a woman named Flower Perry. They divorced in

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Speaker 2: forty three. Then he married his third wife, Anne McCormick

881
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Speaker 2: in forty six. They divorced in fifty one. And then

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Speaker 2: there was Dorothea Odetta Hanson also known as Dorothea Lamfir

883
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Speaker 2: but best known as Dodie. Was a dancer.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: They married in nineteen fifty two and they were together

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Speaker 2: for more than thirty years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So.

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Speaker 2: His grandson, Keith Coogan started acting in nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: His roles include the Oldest Son in Adventures in Babysitting

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Speaker 2: and Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jackie Coogan. He lived to be sixty nine

893
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Speaker 2: years old. He died in March of nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: He wanted his funeral to be open to the public,

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Speaker 2: and so a bunch of fans showed up and John Aston,

896
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Speaker 2: who played.

897
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: Gomez but his son Sean Aston was a child actor

898
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Speaker 3: and imagine that.

899
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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Aston delivered the eulogy at the funeral.

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Speaker 3: Great guy, what a class act.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: His star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is at

903
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Speaker 2: sixteen fifty four Vine just south of Hollywood Boulevard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right.

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00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: So though Coogan's Law, like as I said, it had

906
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: been updated and expanded, exploitation in the entertainment industry remains

907
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: a concern. But you know, his name indoors not just

908
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: in the credits for the Kid or Adam's family, but

909
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: in every miner's paycheck safeguarded by a trust fund.

910
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: Totally wow.

911
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: So he lost his fortune, but he protected generations of

912
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: performers to come and he like nailed a legacy on

913
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: that one. So Zarin, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

914
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 3: I don't know how you made me feel so good

915
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: after being literally like blood boiling angry. You are quite

916
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: a good storyteller. That's my ridiculous takeaway on this one.

917
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Speaker 2: What yours, Elizabeth, Well, I'm just I'm relieved that I

918
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: didn't have to do the car crashes the picture. Yeah, totally,

919
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: but you know, I really my takeaway is that, you know,

920
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: we enjoy watching kids perform, and you know, we think about, oh,

921
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: some of them are so fantastic. Others, you know, there's

922
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: like you see a kid kind of pushed out there

923
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: to play a part on a TV show and they're

924
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: so wooden, and then everyone criticized them. It's a kid,

925
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, but the the notion that they're like our

926
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: little performing monkeys that the parents then a lot of

927
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Speaker 2: times they don't have. That's their job is raking in

928
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Speaker 2: the kids money.

929
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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of lesser than not quite stars

930
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: out there where you have these parents, like if you

931
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: just see them like working their children, it's not quite extras,

932
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: but you know, like mid commercials and mid tier players. Yeah,

933
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: and those stage parents are pretty horrendous to this day.

934
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Speaker 3: I mean I used to not like seeing them. I

935
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Speaker 3: won't get into another story by the time in Hollywood,

936
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Speaker 3: but I've known a couple who've gone on to be

937
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: like big stars, and I saw them before they were

938
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: big stars, and I always remember this one one they

939
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: became Disney kids. They're twins. You could probably figure out

940
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about if you know the Disney kids.

941
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: And their stepfather was a stunt man and he made

942
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Speaker 3: sure to look out for them, and I was so

943
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: happy that they had them. And you can see the

944
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Speaker 3: difference in their careers versus some of the other kids.

945
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: When you have to have such a sick skin to

946
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: be in Hollywood in the first place, and to like

947
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 2: put that on a kid, Yeah, to have that tough

948
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: up and like, you know what it does to them

949
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: and everything.

950
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: They're barely able to make sense to the world of

951
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: adults and you throw and all the people are lying

952
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: to them, trying to take advantage of them.

953
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what it was a relief to find

954
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: that Jackie Coogan made it out okay.

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00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: Totally and he got a hook up and look out

956
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: for Wednesday Adams, you know. And I love this, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, h you know what, I think I need a

958
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: talk hell.

959
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh god, I went cheap.

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Speaker 7: Good Morning, Elizabeth and Zaron just finished listening to the

961
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Speaker 7: Sea Monkey episode and it brought back wonderful memories of

962
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 7: six year old me who really wanted a joy buzzer.

963
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 7: Mom wouldn't support that, so I snuck some dimes and

964
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Speaker 7: nickels out of my allowance, put them in an envelope,

965
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 7: snuck a stamp, put it in the mail, send it off.

966
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Speaker 7: Never got my joy buzzer.

967
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Speaker 3: What a shock.

968
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Speaker 7: Mom felt bad that I was so disappointed in a

969
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 7: victim of ridiculous crime. So she wrote an actual, real check,

970
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 7: put it in envelope, send it off, and I got

971
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 7: my joy buzzer. Life is wonderful. Thanks for them A

972
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: great day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that story. I had a joy buzzer.

974
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Speaker 3: Those are the best as being a kid, being able

975
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: to do the handshakes and you're like waiting for the

976
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: look of surprise. Helly, you got robbed by them.

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