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Speaker 1: The aquaman syndrome. This is somebody who is completely dependent

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Speaker 1: but can Yeah, Unfortunately, here we don't get the rights

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Speaker 1: to the music, which would really help. Oh yeah, how

422
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: about that. You don't even have to say it. You

423
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden hear that samba kind of

424
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: sound or whatever that is. Um okay, now what that

425
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: is behind that samba that she dances? I don't know

426
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: what does? What does sand mean? And scouting sand? Give

427
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: it to me in a sentence. Well, that'll give it away.

428
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: He's got sand in it, like he's slow feet, his

429
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: feet they're sluggish, Derrick Henry's sandy. He's got some sand.

430
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: He can really drop his weight. He's got some sand

431
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: and some some anchor in there. Oh I'm not that

432
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: far off. But you're meaning it that, you're using it

433
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: as a positive. So an offensive lineman's got good sand,

434
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: good squat. I've been talking to a hair and Ross Tucker.

435
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: I've been really trying to learn. You've been in a

436
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: little been trying to learn about what makes a good

437
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Those guys can assess, or at least they claim,

438
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: what is a good offensive lineman in five place? Can

439
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 1: you do that? A good offensive lineman in five place?

440
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: And you look at tape and be like that guy's good. Yeah,

441
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: he church his arms lots. Well, yeah, especially the elite guys.

442
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: They identify themselves immediately. Really in five places. You can

443
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: look at tape, you can see him bend, you have

444
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: to be you know, pass plays and different things. They're

445
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna show some of that ability. Anyway, go ahead, all right,

446
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run through. I'm gonna do these rapid fire,

447
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say these. These are just different ways you

448
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: can talk about somebody's speed. I'm gonna I'm gonna rip

449
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: through him. And then at the end, I need you

450
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: to tell me your favorite one. Okay, ready, go ahead, fast,

451
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: slow burst, initial burst, acceleration, second gear, short air quickness,

452
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: quick twitch, long speed, top end speed, hr speed, take

453
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: it the distance, speed quicker than fast, short strider, long

454
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: stride or smooth strider, one speed, natural runner, catchup speed,

455
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: uh run gets run down, call from behind, methodical, deliberate, suddenness, separation, takeoff,

456
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: I like, damn like wait what I was too many? Yeah,

457
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: some of them fled into each other and I'm not

458
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: sure where where one ended. And they'll do this for

459
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: competitiveness as well. I love one of my favorite ones,

460
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: legitimately is because it really does uh define the difference

461
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: between good and great is suddenness. I know what you mean. Immediate.

462
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: It's immediate speed, that's right. I always like sometimes I'll

463
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: use analogies in my reports. I think I've told this

464
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: story on here before. But I actually interviewed for a

465
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: job with the Patriots when I was in between UM

466
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: and ended up getting offered a job with the Cardinals.

467
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: UM interview with the Patriots, nothing material I was there.

468
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: It was kind of one of those deals who interviewed you.

469
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: I sat there with Nixon, Sarrio. At the time, I

470
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: met with a bunch of people. Neveryone saw Belichick, and

471
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 1: everybody had said, normally you go through me with Belichick.

472
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: There was a lot of concern about me having friends

473
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: in the media. That came up a bunch uh in

474
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: the in the interview process there. But in Baltimore, we

475
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: always talked about painting a picture. You want to, you know,

476
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: with your words, you want to paint a picture of

477
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: a player. We'd read our whole report, and the idea

478
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: was you could close your eyes and you could see

479
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: that player that you were just talking about. New England

480
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: is more just the fact X, ma'am. I mean as

481
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: you would expect, you know, just tell me that the facts.

482
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: So I'm reading my like flowing report or whatever, and

483
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: uh I had said it was I think it was

484
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: Derrick Anderson who we had drafted in Baltimore, and uh

485
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: so reading report and it said he throws up, he'll

486
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: throw a shall acrosses like he's Vladimir Guerrero, you know,

487
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: and uh and they I don't remember who was meeting

488
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: at the times, Like, who's Vladimir Guerrero? No idea, Like

489
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: he's he's a really strong arm right fielder. He's you know,

490
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: he's just he's got a huge arm. But there's no

491
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: change in there. Yeah, there's no you know, he doesn't

492
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: have any touch, is what I'm saying about Derick Canerson.

493
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, one of my my favorite analogies for speed

494
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: is I would have say this in some reports with

495
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: a corner that was a little bit slower, you know,

496
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: against against will Fuller and Notre Dame. It was like

497
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: a rowboat trying to catch a speedboat. You know. It

498
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: just kind of gives that image. If he doesn't have

499
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: that gear, he can't get there. All right. To competitiveness, ready,

500
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: d J, could I ask you a question, could you

501
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: really love a couple of those terms again just really quick. Yeah,

502
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: I want me to go through the same ones. Yeah.

503
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: Can I go speed like fast speed ones? Yeah, okay, fast,

504
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: slow burst, initial burst, acceleration, second gear, short air, quickness,

505
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: quick twitch, long speed, top and speed hr speed taking

506
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: the distance, speed quicker than fast, short strider, long stride

507
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: or smooth strider, one speed, natural runner, catch up speed

508
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: uh gets run down, car from behind, methodical, deliberate, suddenness, separation, takeoff.

509
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: So my question is, could you be a good novelist

510
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: and fag your way through scouting because that sounds like

511
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: a lot of colorful ways. It was, you know, explaining speed. Yeah,

512
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: well you always want to use different words when when

513
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: you're describing guys. You don't want to say fast slow.

514
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be able to paint the picture exactly.

515
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: So if you were a good novelist and knew nothing

516
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: about football, it's like, hey, I'm just gonna come. Yeah,

517
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: but you also have ye don't You have to just

518
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: know what you're looking at though. That's a challenge. But

519
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: what about which is the one that is least essential

520
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: in your book? Or give me a couple that don't

521
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: matter or overrated at least. I mean the obvious one

522
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: to me is that the combine annually you get the

523
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: forty times stuff, and specifically with running backs, I get

524
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: it for wide receivers more, but with running it, who cares?

525
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean, wine was tight ends for the most part.

526
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: With tight ends with speed, I didn't get too caught it.

527
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: But because it's a fuel position, a lot of option routes,

528
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: it's more instincts, you know, if you looked at it historically,

529
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: like Gates didn't run that fast, Whitten was just okay fast, um,

530
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: even Tony Gonzalez. I mean, look at the success of

531
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: these guys have had late in their careers when they

532
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: coudn't run a lick. So that to me, forty time

533
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: with tight ends wasn't really is well, why wouldn't matter?

534
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: Were the running back obviously what matters more? That's another one.

535
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: That's another one. You're tight space quickness is what matters,

536
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: and you could we would always go sudden cross check

537
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: one cross checks some of that. With how many explosive

538
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: runs they have, Well, that's great, he ran four three

539
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: at the combine. He only had three runs over twenty

540
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: yards this year. I mean, running the back of your

541
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: offensive Lineman. If a fast pace, it doesn't help anybody.

542
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's my favor. I mean, how many

543
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: times the question is, how many times when you think

544
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: back to last NFL season do you remember are running back,

545
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: getting through the last level of the defense and then

546
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: God's chase. I mean what I mean, you can remember

547
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: a called Eric Dickerson getting chased down by Darryl Green.

548
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: But those, uh, those you know, there are guys, There

549
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: are guys, I mean there there's value in saying that

550
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: he has that HR speed, that home run speed, because

551
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: and scouting a lot of times we just use a

552
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: baseball analogy to say he's a doubles hitter. He's he

553
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: can get some doubles and triples, but he's not gonna

554
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: he can get you thirty forty. He's gonna he's gonna

555
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: pop out right there. You get Jamal Charles. Those are

556
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: touchdown runs where for somebody else, you know, at Frank

557
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Gore at this point in time, that's a forty yard run.

558
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: It's great, we'll take it, but it does not have

559
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: that elite top gear. I have a couple of random

560
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: questions for you. You mentioned the Ravens, but quickly Zeke

561
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Elliott is a guy everybody's talking about, a home run

562
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: hitter and all that. People projecting big stuff for him.

563
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: A guy who can run away from the defense. Um

564
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: can he pass protect? Because he is good and pass

565
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: very He's one of the best I've seen in the

566
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: last Is that true? Coming out of college? He's great

567
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: A lot of it. A lot of it in college.

568
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: First of all, they aren't asked to do it very much.

569
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: He he was, and he did a good job with it.

570
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to identify where you're supposed to be,

571
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: who you're supposed to block. He does great with that.

572
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to square them up. And

573
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: I talked about having sand you know, as a running back.

574
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: A lot of times that's something they don't have. You'll

575
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: see him go low cut people. He can do that something,

576
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: but he'll stay on his feet, he'll chest guys up

577
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: and he can actually drop his weight and uh and

578
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: get the job done. So he's way ahead of the curve. Now,

579
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be still in adjustment. In the NFL level,

580
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: things are more complicated. You're gonna be trying to block

581
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: better players. But from where most guys are coming out

582
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: of college. He's far advanced. I mean to me, that's

583
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the only question I would have about that. That's what

584
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: keeps off the field is a rookie right back in

585
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: passing situations that they people who love fantasy casual football

586
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: fans failed to grasp that. I think is a is

587
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: a fundamental skill that you must have. And people ask

588
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: why does he get taken off the field. That's why?

589
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Because he can't up Maurice Jones. Drew will tell you

590
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of guys can run most anybody who's called

591
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: a running back in the NFL can run efficiently. But

592
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: the guy with the reason guys don't stay on the

593
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: field as their inability. And we think about they've been

594
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: doing that since they were five years old. Most time

595
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: I have been out had to block a soul and

596
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: in the college game, now, really what they're doing is

597
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: they're just releasing the backs and why why would I

598
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: ask him to block this defense? And then when I

599
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: can just release him into the pattern, ask some linebacker

600
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: to cover him. So you don't see him stay in

601
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: and block very much in college. But um, yeah, he's

602
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: going to be a really really good player. You want

603
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: to roll through competitiveness all right, give me your favorite

604
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: term after I roll through these, and then, uh, I've

605
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: got another thing here. I want to hit you up

606
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: on a debate here, all right? You ready? Tough, mean,

607
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: high motor, aggressive, hustles, plays to the whistle, finish, all out,

608
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: balls out, high tempo work, ethic, leader, takes plays off dogs, soft,

609
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: up and down, inconsistent, flash, sporadic, overachiever, underachiever, loves to play,

610
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: plays hurt, willing, winner type gives chase, pursue, second effort,

611
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline, warrior temperament, contact, hit or nasty, tenacious,

612
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: mental toughness, desire, urgency, take coach, killer, laid back, bland, passive,

613
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: card carrying, coward, old school throwback, pile inspector, pretender, fraud,

614
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: fake tough. Wow, there are many to choose from there,

615
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: but the consistent thing fake tough is pretty good. There

616
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: their variations on that one, but you know what I've

617
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: learned from talking to players is is that that is

618
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: a major thing that a lot of guys do. In fact,

619
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: you always say, you know, fans say, people like me say,

620
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I'd love to be Chas Whitehurst, you know, just be

621
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: a holding the clipboard. I wouldn't want to play, and

622
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: people say, well, yeah, there are guys in the league

623
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: that actually don't mind collecting the paycheck. They don't want

624
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: the contact and right, the fake tough and all that

625
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, guys have mysterious ailments when they have

626
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: an unfavorable matchup on a given Sunday. I think a

627
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: fake tough too is just like you know, you're you're

628
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: a linebacker in the plays over and you just your

629
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Speaker 1: whole receiver at the end of the play. Yeah, right,

630
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: ex play bully. Yeah, the next the next play, the

631
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: guards coming up the block you and you will lay

632
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: the block and get out of the way, you know, yeah, yeah,

633
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: fake to exactly, Yeah, yeah, take a basically take on

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: someone your own side. Why don't you you got his

635
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: fake tough plays in the NFL today because we can

636
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: run those names. See what you think? Give me one.

637
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jimmy Graham. It's funny you say that's

638
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: the first name to pop into my head. But I

639
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody would you pretend to be tough.

640
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he yeah, I don't think he sut

641
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: up the point and behind the glass, butt up the

642
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: point when last season he had got unto the scuffle

643
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: a couple of season to go to the scuffle with

644
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Guys. Actually, now he's a Seahawk, But that

645
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: could be something J J. Watt. People say, Hey, I

646
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: think he's legitimately tough. I think his personality maybe not

647
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: be for everybody, but I don't question it's toughness. Yeah,

648
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I agree with DJ on that one. Um, somebody just

649
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: flashed through my head. Who am I thinking of here? Oh,

650
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one who people sort of knock is

651
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Big Ben. I'm a big band and is uh actually,

652
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: actually there are there are people I would not use

653
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: that term. I would say that the drama queen injuries

654
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: around around the league. Oh yes, No, Steelers joke that

655
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: he John Wayne's it. The local media certainly jokes that

656
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: he John Wayne. I can't go. I'm not hard out here,

657
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: bring the card out here. Hey wait, I'm gonna try.

658
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try every I'm gonna go. Yeah, he's gonna go.

659
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna try. Yaniel LaRusso is gonna fight the guy. Yeah, exactly. That.

660
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a good way to add that to the list.

661
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: He's Larussa's it. That's a good one. I'm taking out

662
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking out tree Burner. Okay, I'm gonna that was

663
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: our Russo. All right, yeah add LaRusso. Um, I'll tell

664
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: you who gets charged with that. I don't know if

665
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: it's fair enough, but Clay Matthews fake tough, big tough guy,

666
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: loves to you know, the water bottle, the thor hair

667
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: and the jacked up muscles and everything, but doesn't necessarily

668
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: low mixing it up with guys own size if a

669
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: no interesting, No, I think there's I think there's probably

670
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: better examples out there of guys that are kind of

671
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: just puffed up guys that are kind of you know,

672
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: puffed up physically, but don't play to their sec I'm

673
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: trying to think of one. Um, I have to think

674
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: about that for a little bit. Who's the biggest disappointment

675
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: based on this idea, Trent Richardson, based on what you saw,

676
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: this guy can't miss? Who's been the biggest disappointment to

677
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: you in the last say three drafts and see a

678
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: guy that can't miss? There's not There's not many that

679
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: are in that can't miss category, you know, because there

680
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: was always questions about him, you know, there was okay,

681
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: like Clowney. We'll see how he does. I thought he

682
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: was fantastic. I mean I put a huge grade on him,

683
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: but there was always the little bit of it. Okay,

684
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: there is some concern. You know, It's not like it's

685
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: like Aaron Curry. To me, it still goes down. Is

686
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: my biggest one where you're like, this guy might not

687
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: ever be a Hall of Famer, but he's gonna start

688
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: for ten years and he's gonna be, you know, rock solid. Man.

689
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: He was out of the league and with three or

690
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: four years, and is that a matter of will? Is

691
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: that what it comes down a lot of times? And

692
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't know this his specific situation. I wasn't around

693
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: him there. But when I self evaluate and go back

694
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: and I talked to people that are with the teams

695
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: on guys that I've missed, it's not it's not I

696
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's a percent, but I'd say usually of

697
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: the guys that you miss on, it's because they don't

698
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: like football. Yeah, well that's It's funny because I was

699
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: trying to come up with a phrase for a guy

700
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: who gets paid or might have a good season, something

701
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: about a mirage effect. And Eddie Lacy seems to be

702
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: the prime figure who be that, So we already have

703
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: a name for that one should come up with a

704
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: different one, then we should come up with something jazzy

705
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: there in the meantime, before we get to your debate,

706
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: the thing that I am fascinated by and you worked

707
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: in the with two teams in the a f C North,

708
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: there are many divisions that are fascinating to try and

709
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: rank one to three for at this time of the year.

710
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: But the three teams eligible probably to win the that

711
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: division this year Pittsburgh um. Since he and Baltimore have

712
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: all had a lot more bad news than good this

713
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: year or this offseason. It almost feels to me like

714
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has to be the team that you picked their

715
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: who finishes ahead of whom Baltimore and Cincinnati forget Pittsburgh,

716
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: leave them out of the equation just those two. Cincinnati

717
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: is ahead of Baltimore, I think so, I think personally,

718
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati ahead of Pittsburgh. Do you really I

719
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I I if I were a since fan, I'd be

720
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: concerned about the absence of Hugh and the absence of time.

721
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, I hope, I hope

722
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: most of his career. I will say this, like, you

723
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: talk to people around the league, and there's a lot

724
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: of people that we know in the the evidence of

725
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: what he's done at Cincinnati and had a very respectable

726
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: year there in Oakland. I have never I cannot remember

727
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: a time like I talked to people budies around the league.

728
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, you guys, uh, I mean the Hugh

729
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: Jackson walk on Water, I did I missed? Did I

730
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: miss these five? This? The Mic Sill. There's a lot

731
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of people and I just and

732
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: I just keep It's like it's way over the top.

733
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: And I think he's a good football coach. And I

734
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't know him personally, but I've heard, you know, the

735
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: players that play for them, they love him. But I'm

736
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: just like this, this is not a situation like to

737
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: go back to college rare all a sudden. You just

738
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: got Nick Saban. You you know, is that l s U.

739
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: Now you're Alabama and like, okay, now all these championships

740
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: are coming. We got Nick Saban? Like what am I

741
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: missing here? Because even you just you just the way

742
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: you just said it, I don't know that since Nati

743
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: Bengals in the game without Hugh Jackson. They've got Pro

744
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Bowl players littered all over the roster, but Hugh Jackson's gone,

745
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: so they're gonna suck. I've also but I also called

746
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: some of his decisions now in personnel in this offseason.

747
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I refer to it as Hubris things that with the

748
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: E included in the word, because it's, uh, it's curious.

749
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: First of all, Cody Castler, he was on no one's radar,

750
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: but somehow Hugh knew they this was. And then r

751
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: G three, the other one, you know, basically talk about

752
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: walking on water. He made it. He described it essentially

753
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: that way. That's the other thing. Well, I'm just supposed

754
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: to just forget what I've seen over the last couple

755
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: of years of just how awful r G three was

756
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: on a football field. And this is not personal personality

757
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: conflicts with head coaches. This is watching him play on

758
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: the field and not be able to work through progression,

759
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: get sacked as zillion times, and all of a sudden,

760
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins comes in there. He's not getting sacked anymore

761
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: because he knows where to go with the football. He's

762
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: getting the ball out of his hand. But I'm just

763
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: supposed to wipe all that away because now he's going

764
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: to magically solve all these problems. And he's throwing to

765
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Terrell prior and you know, I mean like, I'm skeptical

766
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: of what he's gonna do up there. But the numbers

767
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: are hard to do. Although Jay Gruden had some success

768
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton too, but I think that you know,

769
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: to me, the wait a second, so young a young quarterback,

770
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: a young quarterback has gotten better. That's like some new

771
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: breaking news that that's a pretty interesting way to put

772
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I would say. Andy Dalton, though, to me, is a

773
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: crispy kream um because you know what's around him, perfect temperature. Well,

774
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, people love to say if you don't have

775
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: a photoshop of any Dalton with a hot donut son.

776
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: I try to I try not to jive, even if

777
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: it is a knock against me. And my ability to

778
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: evaluate how good an offensive line is is predicated by

779
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: what you see at the end of the day. Boy,

780
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: they really you could see the shift in the line

781
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: all day. They really pushed them back a little bit,

782
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and the lack of sacks in the clean pocket and

783
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: all that is basically my my measure of how good

784
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: an offensive line is. So I would I bottom line

785
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: is I leave that to the likes of you and

786
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman like Shan O'Hara and Baldy and the rest.

787
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: But it seems to me that since he everybody talks

788
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: about Dallas is great, offensive line isn't since he's like

789
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: in the top two, that's right. I'm just going back

790
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: to you saying that Pittsburgh's automatically number one here and

791
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking, okay, this offensive line is one of the

792
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: best offensive lines in football. If effort comes back healthy,

793
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: you've got a top big. If you've got a top

794
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: but you've got a top three tight end. I mean,

795
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that Martavis Bryan ain't playing

796
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: this year. I know you know. It looks as though

797
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: leave Bell ain't playing for four games. Is Sammy Coats good? No? No,

798
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: you don't think he's good? Why because he drops You've

799
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: got a J Green. Why did he go around higher

800
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: than Martavis Bryant? Then why is Martavis Bryant not playing

801
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: this year? So it was known in the community, Yes,

802
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: all right, Well, I don't know what I don't Martavis

803
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: ban Martavis Bryant's red flags were very very well, but

804
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: at the time the red flag was that he had

805
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: the drop seas. I don't I don't you know that

806
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: that was the thing was. It wasn't necessarily that he was.

807
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: There were there were concerns that. Okay, but Sammy Coats

808
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: is just a big, fast dude that's gonna make some

809
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: wild plays and he's gonna have some awful drops. He's

810
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna have some awful drops. I you know, listen, already

811
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: sand Quez Golson. Yeah. So in other words, Martavis Bryant

812
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: had a tree burner. But we've already a tree that's

813
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: already been nixt. I've already already got rid of that. Um.

814
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: I you know, listen, I can certainly see since he

815
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: winning the division. But I I legitimately would be concerned

816
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: as a since fan about Andy Dalton because I don't

817
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to laugh at all. Who cares

818
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: about that? Post game again after the Texans game, when J. J.

819
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Watt called him a bb gun, I don't think that

820
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of reaction is something to be sloughed off. That

821
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: means that he you can get in his head. That's

822
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: what he exposed, is that he's worried about the perception

823
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: of things. That's all human beings, Tony Romo, Peyton Manning

824
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: on down all care what people say. No matter how

825
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: much you hear, they don't hear that noise, Andy Dalton,

826
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: that got to him and that was a weird thing

827
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: to have get to you. And now there's gonna be

828
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: if he struggles at all anywhere, you know, the Bengals

829
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: fans are going to be, hey, what about j McCarron.

830
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: You've been driving the mccaren bus for a while too, though,

831
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: And and did we not see that mccaren can get by.

832
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: You can get by with mccarren just as well as

833
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: a Dalton did a nice shop. But here's my question

834
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: for you, how what are you gonna do when Tyler

835
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Boyd catches a winning touchdown against the Steelers, Because it's

836
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: like two loves of yours, you know, combining there. And

837
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: I almost think as great as your passion is for

838
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers, as much as you love Tyler boy

839
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: throughout the whole draft process, I think that there will

840
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: be some inner conflict there that you you know, have

841
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: half of a smile. Now, no, I'll be resentful of

842
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the pit football program. It will add to my my

843
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: ongoing resentment as I've said to you before, and I

844
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: say again now, is there any program in America that

845
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: has yielded more not just NFL talent, but high end

846
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: NFL talent and still struggles to go seven and five

847
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: every year than than Pitt Football over the last dozen years.

848
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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, Shady McCoy, Durrell Reevus, Uh, Aaron Donald. I mean,

849
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: how many how many guys can they put in there

850
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: are the best of their position or among the best

851
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: of their position, and yet this is a bum team

852
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: that uh that can't beat Temple. That's a legitimate argument.

853
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: I used to be, well, I mean there was a year,

854
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I guess it was two

855
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: years ago. Miami had like five or six guys drafted

856
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: in the first couple of rounds and they were terrible,

857
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: and all of them that can't rolling through here. I'd

858
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: be like, how do you guys not win any games?

859
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: All all these dudes? It was like Harriman Dorset, right,

860
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of them. The tackle that went

861
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: to the Giants. Um, they had all kinds of guys

862
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: and wins the show for it. You know who's that?

863
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: You know where that is and what the one conference.

864
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. It's the a c C.

865
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: The a c C is plagued by this. Look at

866
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: how many guys you n see good football players Julius

867
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, who I was thinking of, by the way, Yeah,

868
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: um but yeah, look at look up. U n see

869
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: what the high end guys they have in the NFL.

870
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: Another he must always said about Georgia too. It's Georgia. Yeah.

871
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: Ohbody looks better getting off the bus. And nobody produces

872
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: more NFL talent and nobody does less with it. I

873
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 1: want to talk. We we need to do a college

874
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: football sport. We'll get there. Let's do it before the season.

875
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: Let's make let's agree here and now that we will

876
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: do a cross podcast show. Bucky you let's get money.

877
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: And that's the group. There's your group right there. Well, kid,

878
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: it's about college football. To beat the band. And no,

879
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about the vall was like

880
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: three college football expert. I what abuy? Why I'm not

881
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: an expert to you? What do you mean, expert expert?

882
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: How about this? I watched all the games for the

883
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: last forty years. It works for me, all right, Dave,

884
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: this debate real quick, because Aimee, I'm doing I'm doing

885
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing your pod today. I know it's a home

886
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: series and we're gonna get around the NFL's rap mus

887
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler to join us on the deal. At least

888
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: it's Sessler. If there was any other guys that would

889
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: you'd want would watch? Is that what you meant by

890
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: a three part crossover? Yeah? Oh, because I thought you meant,

891
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, make it, take it recorded upod last night?

892
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: Never mind never mind kind of a four way podcast.

893
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: There is Dan hands us an aquaman? Does he and

894
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: all those guys going to make them? Yeah? I think

895
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: more along the lines of how you were saying. He

896
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: commands other people to do all of his work. That's

897
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: a good lad. He is an aquaman. Hey. You know, hey,

898
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: you know what would be great is if we had

899
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: some really hardcore X and O analysis of why the

900
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Texans are gonna be really good on offense this year. Hey,

901
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, why don't you do something about that? You know,

902
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: all my last hands is a point here, and then

903
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: we'll get to this compete real quick. Hands. This kind

904
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: of reminds me of that guy who wants you to

905
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: think that he didn't try very hard with his look,

906
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: but in all reality, that was like an hour's worth

907
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: of work put into that. I often say it's a

908
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: fascinating thing and not just for hands us, but he's

909
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: a good example of that. I think it's great when

910
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: you consider when you see the people out on the street,

911
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: at work wherever, that everybody before they walked out the

912
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: door looked in a mirror and said like, yep, this

913
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: is what the world gets today, and they're cool with

914
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: it and they walk out the door. That's weird. Hands Yeah,

915
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: he how I mean, if you if you would say minimum,

916
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: I will say minimum three hair products. I was just

917
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: gonna say, what do you think the process is? How much? Moose?

918
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: And I think that I think I think there's a

919
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I think, well, if you're gonna count the blow dryer

920
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: for sure, you've got to You've got the blow dryer,

921
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: you've got I'm gonna say some some gel like stuff

922
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: and then some hairspray for sure. That's a three parter

923
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: right there. And he's the kind of guy that will

924
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: go by the kind of worn down T shirt or whatever,

925
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: but it actually costs, Like, guys, we have an insider

926
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: for the hands this here. Oh hey, Sessler, so he's

927
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: about to jump on it. Let us know, Yeah, he

928
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: can jump on there. Mark, I don't know how much

929
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: you've heard, but what was discussed was how the fact

930
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: we're doing a crossover today now on on checks Pop,

931
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be both of us joining check And I said,

932
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: Sesslor is the only one of the group that I

933
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: would agree to go on with any other guys I'm walking.

934
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: And then we kind of got into this discussion about

935
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: how Dan is somebody who I want you to think

936
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: he didn't really try, but in reality was a lot

937
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: of effort that went into that. Look, well, the first

938
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: point you are right about, I think you and I

939
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: would be the only feasible match from that group on

940
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: any any sort of production. Uh. I'm not going to

941
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: touch on the Dan side, but I will tell you

942
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: I know exactly what he puts in his hair. What

943
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: is it is Redkin jail. In fact, to the point

944
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: where he hit up Redkin on Twitter and they sent

945
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: him like a large box of it. And we all thought,

946
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, outside of West, hey give us some, and

947
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: no he wouldn't. He wouldn't share anyone. And he actually

948
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: keeps a tub of Redkin Jail in the NFL Now studio,

949
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: hidden under a couch like Katie Corak used to do

950
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: with a brows. That's the best part about this story

951
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: is that I have to do in fil now today

952
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: and that will not be there as I love it.

953
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: That's terrific. That's good. That's good. Scoop right there, save

954
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: all your good stuff for check. We got that coming up,

955
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: all right, real quick, Dave was we're at a time

956
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: just give me yesterday or give me give me your

957
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: answer here. More likely Hall of Famer Julius Peppers or

958
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews. Well, I mean, obviously Julius Peppers has the

959
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: few extra years, but looking at you know, the number

960
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: one category obviously is sacks. Yes, and Julius Peppers succeeded

961
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: at a higher rate at this point in Clay Matthews.

962
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews is one, two, three, four, or five six,

963
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: seven years into his career. Four times he's hit double

964
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: digit sacks. By his seventh year. Peppers had done it

965
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: one more time and then you know the high end

966
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: mark for him fourteen and a half thirteen. That's those

967
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: those sack totals are no jive. Clay Matthews a is

968
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: hurt by the fact that they moved him inside, which

969
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: I think in a way, if you're a Hall of

970
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: Fame voter will get that that he was able to

971
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: do that. Although those defenses weren't especially great altho Packers

972
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: defense a little bit underrated. I think right now it's

973
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Julius Peppers. Um as we look back at the at

974
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: the court. You know, Peppers. The moving around when you're

975
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of your career, I think hurt your

976
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: ability to conjure images of moments, iconic moments of a

977
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: guy's career. Because but if you harken back, when you

978
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: sit down and look back and you think about him

979
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers and how dominant he was early

980
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: on in his career, I think it's Peppers. On the

981
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: other hand, though, can't we say that both these guys

982
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: are really if if Clay kind of keeps this up,

983
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: that they're both destined for the Hall of Fame? Uh No, Yeah,

984
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: I think if if Clay's gotta put a lot more

985
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: seasons together like Peppers did, Peppers eleven receptions a bunch

986
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: of block kicks, I go Peppers right now, Dave. I

987
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: think Clay's got a shot down the line they both

988
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: could end up in is air. Is Andrew Lucking to

989
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame? Long way to go?

990
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: I know it's a long way to go. But Aaron

991
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Rodgers is a lock. You wanted to talk Hall of

992
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: Fame game, Aaron Rodgers and Rodgers is a lock of

993
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: Vinitarry's a lock in that game. And then I would

994
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: say that luck has the ability to get there. He's

995
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: gonna it's Frank Gore going to the Hall of Fame. No,

996
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: Frank Gore's not going to the Hall things. So Tryll

997
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Davis isn't in the Hall of Fame. Yet there is

998
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: a whole another discussion. We're trying to close it up here.

999
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: Black Ties behind the glass freaking out that we gotta

1000
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: do this video right now, So I guess we gotta

1001
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: shut it down. All right, that's right. We have more

1002
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: talk on your pud I look forward to it. By

1003
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: the way, thank you. Even though we didn't ask for

1004
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: permission for letting us use the Jinga. I know, I said,

1005
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: the black Tie. What gives black Tie with the Jena

1006
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: peace thing? And you don't invite damnit check on And

1007
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: then the next day I get invited on this show,

1008
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: and I said, well, now I feel like a hell

1009
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: because I complain to you. I just want to explain

1010
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: it real quick so you can think even higher of Bucky.

1011
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: So I've told you in the past, because I've discussed

1012
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: a finger thing with you. We used to do that

1013
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: in training camp. We talked about we'd say who could

1014
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: you take out? We didn't call it the Jenga thing.

1015
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: So I told Bucky, I said, we're in training camp.

1016
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: So that kind of came back to me and said,

1017
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: let's do that. And he goes, oh, yeah, like Dave's

1018
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: Jena thing. I said, you know what, we need to

1019
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: make sure that we reference. This is Dave's idea. We're not,

1020
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: you know, we're It's a form of flattery. Lucky is classy.

1021
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: Bucky was not going to let us go on air

1022
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: and hijack your your bit there. So well, I'll say

1023
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: this about the Move the Sticks podcast, Bucky Brooks equals

1024
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: class and that's all I have to say about the show.

1025
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Speaker 1: And that's what a pleasure. What a pleasure. Daniel Jeremiah. Finally,

1026
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: after years years away from each other's shows, you used

1027
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: to always be on d DFP do you by the way,

1028
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: you do you like my studio a little bit nicer

1029
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: than your studio. And Harry, We'll we're back, see you

1030
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: next week. Thanks for listening, Thanks for downloading Move the

1031
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go

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Speaker 1: to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts two