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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here. You are listening to

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Speaker 2: episode one sixty one of Hurdle a While, this focus

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Speaker 2: podcast where I sit down with inspiring individuals to talk

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Speaker 2: with everyone from top athletes and CEOs to aspiring entrepreneurs

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Speaker 3: Today I am chatting with Caleb.

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Speaker 2: Marshall, better known to his three point two two million

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Speaker 2: today's episode, we talk about his journey to becoming a

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Speaker 2: It's just the Fitness Marshal over on YouTube, and you

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Speaker 3: There are so many things I love about this episode.

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Caleb Marshall Better knows is

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, what is the fitness Marshal?

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Speaker 2: Now you're moving with millions of people. But was movement

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Speaker 2: Look for it.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a necessary spring cleaning, a necessary awakening,

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Speaker 1: There there was this and I remember the instructor, her

439
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: name is Kayla, and she she was leading this like

440
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: the first week of college classes and it was this

441
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: Far East Movement song, and I remember we were like

442
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: like making this big movie. Were like driving our arms

443
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: like this, going backside to side and everyone just having

444
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: so much fun, like pretending they're driving a car down

445
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas Boulevard, and I was like, oh my god,

446
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: this is so fun, like this is a big party.

447
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: And it was the same feeling like I took a

448
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 1: Zooma class in high school and I got the same thing.

449
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: It was Sean Kingston's fire burning on the dance floor.

450
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: I remember we were like, shohtie bay get burn it

451
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: on the dance and it was so much fun. And

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: that was my teacher, Natalie. That was like my dance

453
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: teacher from middle school was teaching the Zooma class to

454
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: me in high school. And it's all these like little

455
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: things that kept happening, and I kept having the same

456
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: euphoric rush when I was in these dance cardio classes

457
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: that I thought were just for somebody else's mom, and

458
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: then I was like wait a minute, no, like this

459
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: is exactly what I need.

460
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: Somebody else's mom. But so true.

461
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think growing up, like we're all exposed

462
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: to dance in such a way, especially dance cardio where

463
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: it's like mom goes to step aerobics, Mom goes to zoomba,

464
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: like moms loved dancing growing.

465
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, But moms get it. Obviously they're doing something

466
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: right because it is fun. It is not just for

467
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: one type of person. And also, I think that notion

468
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: of what's cool and what's in is something that I

469
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: dispise because I remember spending so much of my time

470
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: worrying about what's the end thing, what should I be doing,

471
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: what should my body look like, what's the new trend?

472
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: And then I realized there is no cool for a

473
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: certain age. It's just what do you have fun doing,

474
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: what do you enjoy doing, and that's all that matters.

475
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: If you're having a great time doing it, then it's correct.

476
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be the trendiest or whatever that

477
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: may be. If you are connecting to it, then you're

478
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: in the right place. And I think that's what I

479
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: love so much about the fitness martial inness space we've created.

480
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't matter what your body type is, it

481
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what age you are, it doesn't matter what

482
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: kind of music you're into, your dance experience, your sexuality,

483
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: your gender expression. Like, get on the dance floor and

484
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: move your body. Let's party.

485
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: Period my job. We're done that. We can be done

486
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: with this podcast. Now we're good. So you remember we

487
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: just recounted your first dance cardio class. It was great.

488
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: You were driving down the boulevard as you go to

489
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: graduation and you're trying to think about what you're going

490
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: to do in the world, and you're like, holy shit,

491
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to launch a YouTube channel.

492
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: It's funny, say graduation. I didn't even go to my graduation.

493
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: I sat. I sat on my porch. I made myself

494
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: a really shitty margarita, and I had my cap and

495
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: gown on it, and I took the selfie and I

496
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: said happy graduation, Caleb. And graduation was happening, like literally

497
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: so close, and I was like, you know what. I

498
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: at that point, I was again so disconnected from my

499
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: major and the whole idea of you graduate and now

500
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: go find corporate job b and go do that. That

501
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: was not on my mind. I remember the summer between

502
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: junior year and senior year that I was going through

503
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: this awful time. That's when the guy that I was

504
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: dating we broke up. So but that was like my

505
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: first relationship and my it was like a five year

506
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: relationship and so I lost that, and then I was

507
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 1: having this moment of Okay, so my relationship's gone, and

508
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm about to go into my senior year of college

509
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: and have no concept of what I want to do

510
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And it was this

511
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: big aha moment of wait, you keep coming back to

512
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: these like cardio classes. The only thing you care about

513
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: is what new dance you're going to do next week.

514
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: If that's so important to you and that makes you

515
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: so happy, then let's make something out of that and

516
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: see if see if it sticks, Like, what's the worst

517
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: that could happen? No one watches your videos? Okay. So

518
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I went home from this summer internship and I created

519
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel and I created a brand behind it,

520
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: and I took the fitness Marshal because my last name

521
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: is Marshall, and I made it kind of like army

522
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: themed because my family has all been in the military.

523
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: And I think it's also really funny, like little game

524
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: me like dancing around mary pants. So it was just

525
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: really fun. And I just started pumping out like videos

526
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: every week. And I was remember in my senior year,

527
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: like I was doing all these projects, trying to I

528
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: was getting great, great but also at the same time,

529
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: all of my mental effort was in this YouTube channel,

530
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: and in eight months of starting it, by the time

531
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: I graduated, I had one hundred thousand subscribers, and so

532
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: that was really what I needed to know, Okay, this

533
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: is working, Like it's not like, Okay, you've gained just

534
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, a thousand subscribers in a year, which it's

535
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: still really cool and amazing, but it was like it

536
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: gave me enough confidence to not run out and go

537
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: get a job I didn't want, and so I just

538
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: put everything I had into this YouTube channel that with

539
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand subscribers was making me zero dollars because

540
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: I use copyrighted music and so I still to this

541
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: day don't monetize my videos, and I think that is

542
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: also a huge misconception. Yeah, that's a huge misconception because

543
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: people think once you have views, you have money, But

544
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a copyright pan on every video

545
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: I put out, Like that's just that was never the

546
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: case with me, and so I had to be even

547
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: more creative. And luckily, like I found my partner who's

548
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: also my manager camera and we started dating a couple

549
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: of months after I graduated, and he's really like business brains.

550
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, dance, creative, be happy, and he was like,

551
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: but how are you going to pay it? Rent? I

552
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: was like, be happy, dance and so it was a

553
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: really good kind of merging of two worlds and he

554
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of helped build out all of the business parts

555
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: of it. And we've really in six years, me, Cameron

556
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: and my two best friends from high school who are

557
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: our backup booties, have built kind of this empire together

558
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: and now we're we were touring where we have our

559
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: own active whereline, We're working on other projects on the side.

560
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: There's just so much happening that happened out of necessity.

561
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: We didn't have the luxury of just getting views and

562
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: getting a big paycheck. It's been a constant hustle and

563
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: a constant pivot to keep this going as a career.

564
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Speaker 2: When you started creating this YouTube content, did you think

602
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Speaker 2: extensively about like the format that you wanted to create

603
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: things in, or what types of dances that you would

604
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: be doing, Like talk to me about where it started

605
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: versus like maybe where it is now.

606
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: How it started, how it's going. It was so intentional

607
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: from the beginning. I often I feel I can criticize

608
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: for overthinking things, but in this case it worked because

609
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, if you start this and

610
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: it blows up, what could you do potentially forever? And

611
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: that's a lot to think about. But I knew exactly

612
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: how I wanted it to look. I saw, like a

613
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: lot of fitness videos were they had like different angles

614
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: in like moving camera and things like that. I was like, hey,

615
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I want my camera on a tripod. I want you

616
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: to be able to see this like you're at an

617
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: actual fitness class and you're looking at it and the

618
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: camera doesn't move, so you know exactly what's going on.

619
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: So that was one thing that I think set me

620
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: apart from other fitness videos. And then I was intentional

621
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: from the beginning about I want to have a mic

622
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: on and I want to use the master track of

623
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: the music. And so I had no equipment, which is

624
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: why most videos you see don't have a high production

625
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: value because it's expensive to have a microphone and lights

626
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: and a camera and all of this. So my friend

627
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: was in the production school because I had already graduated,

628
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: and so I had my friend rent out production equipment

629
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: from the school so I could use it to shoot

630
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: all of my videos. And I did that until I

631
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: had enough to save up for actually my own microphone

632
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and my own equipment. But it was always about I

633
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: want the music to be popular and exciting everyone. From

634
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the beginning was like, use royalty free music, use copyright

635
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: free music, and I was like you and get it.

636
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: One day this is going to pay off, Like one

637
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: day someone is going to see this, and so I

638
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: wanted that to be a thing as well. I had

639
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: the camo pants and the tank top on. That was

640
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: my branding. For like five years, I wore the same outfit,

641
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: which is to anyone else exhausting, but it became a

642
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: point of recognition. People knew me not only for my

643
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: dance or my personality, but even if you just saw

644
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: it for a minute at some point, that was going

645
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: to be repetitive enough, like a cartoon character for you

646
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: to recognize me based on my outfit. And so that

647
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: was another way I got it out there. And then

648
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean the branding of the name, I came up

649
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: with a fitness marshal backup booties were the people, but

650
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: the girls behind me. Then it was like the fans

651
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: were called the booty Army. Like it all was just

652
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: very strategic in a way that I kind of built

653
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: a brand from the before even getting out there. And

654
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: so like my first set of videos, I released fourteen

655
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: at a time and just to have like a full

656
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: hour long set that people could do and actually work

657
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: out to just kind of build off of that. But

658
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the videos. The format's the exact

659
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: same six years later. I do more fun effects, I'm

660
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: better at editing the qualities better, but it's the exact

661
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: same video now as it was six years ago. And

662
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: so when you're building a workout, you can pick any

663
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: video you want and it'll fit perfectly into that format.

664
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: And so it's it all works together so well.

665
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: I love that tidbit you said about well, I didn't

666
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: have the right equipment, so I just figured it out

667
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: and I started anyway. And I think that oftentimes so

668
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: many people let logistics like that stand in the way

669
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: from going after what it is that they want. Like

670
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: you didn't know the first thing, I'm sure about starting

671
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: a YouTube channel, or how to get people to subscribe,

672
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: or you know, all the filming and the product, like

673
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: you went you had a degree in production, but you

674
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying, Like there were so much.

675
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Watch YouTube before I started a YouTube channel.

676
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to podcasts before I started a podcast.

677
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: I love that. It's so great because it's just you'll

678
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, longer I do this, And

679
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel the same way. It's

680
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: just like everyone is just figuring it out. As they

681
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: go and making the rules up as they go. If

682
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: you create good content, people will find it and you

683
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: can always make it better, and that's exciting. My first videos,

684
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: I am horrified by some of them, the way I

685
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: am instructing, the way some of it looks, the way

686
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: I am dancing completely off center, which I still sometimes do.

687
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: But it's not like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed

688
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I should have never done that. I'm so proud of

689
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: how I've grown because I'm like, when people watch that

690
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and then watch my current videos,

691
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: they can see the progress, and I think that's so important.

692
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: And I hate how I feel like we're in a

693
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: place where people go back and just erase all of

694
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the things that they don't like or the embarrassing things,

695
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: because then that makes other people feel like they have

696
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: to be perfect before they start. Like, No, I want

697
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: you to see my journey because that, I think is

698
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: the most human thing you can do, and it's something

699
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm proud of. I'm not embarrassed of it. Like I've

700
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: come a long way and that's really cool.

701
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool.

702
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: So speaking of coming a long way, obviously so much

703
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: farther along in the journey than you were right after college.

704
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: When do you realize I mean, one hundred thousand subscribers,

705
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 2: a lot going on, But when does it really start

706
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: to feel like it's super taking.

707
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: Off side a video go viral. It was Megan Trainer's

708
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: me Too, and I remember I uploaded that to Facebook

709
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: and then overnight it had one hundred thousand views on

710
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Facebook and I was like, whoa. And then the next

711
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: day it had like five hundred thousand, and then a million,

712
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: and then ten million, and then Megan Trainers retweeting it,

713
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Megan Trainers following me. A clothing company in Australia, cotton On,

714
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: is reaching out to me asking me to do a

715
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: world tour with them, and all of these things start

716
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: happening at once, and I'm like, whoa, this is just

717
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: the craziest moment. I'm getting so many emails from media

718
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: companies being like, do you want to do a reality show?

719
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: And that was that was the craziest moment, just the

720
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: me too video, Because I think virality is I mean,

721
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: what's even viral anymore? Like someone can go viral and

722
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: get a billion views, and someone can go viral and

723
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: get up you know, ten thousand views, like it's all

724
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: based on your own perception of what that is. But

725
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: for me, that was just the biggest, most immediate growth

726
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I guess in a video, and the most attention I

727
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: got in at one time. And so that's when I

728
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: got really excited and thought that, Okay, this is something

729
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: really really cool, Like we can for sure make money

730
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: off this at some point or somehow. But then that

731
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: is also what started my decline and what started probably

732
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: one of the saddest times for me in this career,

733
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: because every video was chasing that success, and every time

734
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: I put out a video that didn't get as many

735
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: views or didn't get the attention, I was like, you're

736
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: not as good anymore. That was your peak, You're not enough,

737
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: And it was just this negative self topic kept happening,

738
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: and until I broke out of ever trying to do

739
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: that again. Like I was just miserable trying to recreate

740
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean miserable. I wasn't miserable. I still have always

741
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: had a great job, but it was just the most

742
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: soul sucking time to try to constantly compete with yourself

743
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: or keep trying to live up to a standard that

744
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: is just not realistic and not attainable. I didn't make

745
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: that video with all of those things in my head.

746
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: I made the video and it just happened to connect

747
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And that was not intentional. It

748
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: was just by chance. And so the only way that

749
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: was going to happen again is by having that same

750
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: authentic reaction.

751
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: Interesting you talking about what happened after that video went

752
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: viral and all the offers that were coming your way,

753
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: did you at the time take any of them? Because

754
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: I feel like some of that, if you had, would

755
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: have deterred you from like your original mission, which it

756
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: sounds like you were pretty steadfast on and kept working on.

757
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: It goes a couple of different ways. I like the

758
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: like the world tour like that aligned with what I

759
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I wanted to go and I wanted

760
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: to perform, and so I got to go to literally

761
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: like South Africa and New Zealand, Australia and Singapore all

762
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: in two weeks and perform. That was probably the coolest

763
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. But then the other things that

764
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: kept coming in, like the reality shows and things like that.

765
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: It's not even that I was saying no, but I

766
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: think it's important for people to understand that nothing in

767
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: this industry is real until it's real. You will have X,

768
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Y and Z person talking to you, Oh, I got

769
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: a call from this giant network or whatever. There can

770
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: be so many background conversations that ultimately amount to nothing

771
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: except maybe like a relationship that you can have with

772
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: this producer or this person. So most of those just

773
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: completely through. And I think that was hard for me,

774
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: being new to this industry and getting so excited at

775
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: every new opportunity, and every time something didn't follow through,

776
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: I took that as a like a personal defeat, Whereas

777
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: now I understand like it can be as simple as

778
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: like everyone's on board and then this one person's like,

779
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: oh but wait, we're pivoting to unicorns this quarter. So no,

780
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: you're no, we're not doing fitness this quarter. And it

781
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: can be a billion things. It could be budget, it

782
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: can be just one legal issue that doesn't get worked out.

783
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: And so it's just like knowing that nothing is real

784
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: until it's real, and again, not riding the hives, not

785
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: riding the lows, just staying steadfast on doing what you love.

786
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: That's the only way to make it, because if not,

787
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: you will get thrown up and down. And left and

788
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: right in the entertainment industry.

789
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: I totally hear it.

790
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean I'm in a completely different place than you are,

791
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: but I have certainly had to have some serious pep

792
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: talks with myself after like stuff that gets really exciting

793
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: like comes your way, and then you're on this mountain

794
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: and you're talking for months and months about like the

795
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: biggest deal of your career, and then like on Friday

796
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: at ten am, you get into a meeting where it's

797
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: like completely off the table now, and that's it.

798
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's so funny you say that because

799
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: that just happened.

800
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: To me, I get it, because it sucks and it hurts,

801
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: But I think that what's really special and what I've

802
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: come back to, and I'm sure that you've come back

803
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: to it as well because of the way that you

804
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: talk about this is like, holy shit, I had a

805
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: seat at that table.

806
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that is exactly it. Like whoa, I

807
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: had that conversation. They know my name, they care about me,

808
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: like it's it's they.

809
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: Care about me. Sometimes I'd like to think that they

810
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: care about me. I mean, like they they know that

811
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: you exist though it is great.

812
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: Like they cared enough to have that call, you know,

813
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: it's just like it's really cool, and you have to

814
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: keep reminding yourselves of those little victories because that's what

815
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: you have to hold on to. It's not about the

816
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: end result, because there are too many variables in that

817
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: and if you let yourself get so defeated by those moments,

818
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: then you're never going to find the next door to open.

819
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: Like you have to be willing to just stand up

820
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, dust my shoulders off. I wanted

821
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: to go through that door more than anything else in

822
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: this world. I thought that was the golden door. But

823
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: here's another door that's not golden, but it's blue, and

824
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to see what's through that one. And then

825
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: you find out that something even more amazing is a waiting.

826
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had that moment happened so many times

827
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: in my career where I'm like it's all over, I

828
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: can't anywhere, and then a few months later, amazing things happen.

829
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: And so it's just about holding on to your passion

830
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: and the why of why you're doing. And I think

831
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: that's what helps people really have longevity in this industry

832
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: is because if you're here for the quick check, you'll

833
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: be out really fast. Yeah, you'll be out really soon,

834
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, for me, money didn't come for a

835
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: very long time. Like when I say money, I mean

836
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: like paying rent, buying a haircut, Like it was not easy.

837
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: It was struggle, struggle, struggle for so long and just

838
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: doing what I love. And that's that's what I ate.

839
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: Was was passion, Like that is what really got me

840
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: through and got my friends through. Like my friends gave

841
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: up a lot as well to kind of be on

842
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: this journey and believe in what this is all about.

843
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: My partner, Cameron gave up. He was his dream was

844
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: to work for the CDC. He had a degree in

845
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: public health, and he's like, Okay, we're gonna go out

846
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: to California, we're gonna build this fitness brand, and we're

847
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: all just gonna hope it works out. So it's just

848
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: having people around you that believe in you and believing

849
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: in yourself and not being so controlled by the immedia

850
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: dollar amount, which is a privilege, because if you can't

851
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: pay your rent, it's it's you can't just say, oh,

852
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm passionate, like you have to pay

853
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: your bills, and so it's really difficult, I think to

854
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: make a career out of I guess to build your

855
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: own career and follow your own dreams because the reality is,

856
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: in this society you're expected to pay your bills on time,

857
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: and there are only a few ways that happens.

858
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: For someone who's listening to this and they're like, oh,

859
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: I've here, I've heard this so many times before. Follow

860
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: your passions. If you're not passionate about what you're doing

861
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: for work, what are you doing with your time? And

862
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: then they bought up with that other thing that you

863
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: were saying just now about well I need to pay

864
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: my bills if I'm not ready to jump into X

865
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: or why, Like what do you say to those people

866
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: because sometimes again, like if we're talking about being realistic,

867
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: not everyone gets to do a job every single day,

868
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: where they're like, I am so passionate about it.

869
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: No, and you know what, you don't have to And

870
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing, And I don't want

871
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: to be misconstrued on this podcast, for I mean, I

872
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: am so painfully aware that my story is incredibly rare

873
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: and it is exceptionally unlikely even if you do everything

874
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: right for everything to work out, like life isn't just

875
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: a fairy tale. I've worked really hard and I am

876
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: urried to determined to figure it out. But I also

877
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: think that there is nothing wrong with just loving your

878
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: life and loving the people in your life. And I

879
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: mean I just hung out with friends yesterday and they

880
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: were like, I work to live. I do not live

881
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: to work, and that's okay. Like, if you have a

882
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: family that you love, friends that you love, hobbies that

883
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: bring you joy, that's the whole point of life is

884
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: be happy, like do good in this world and just

885
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: find fulfillment. And so if you have to have a

886
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: job that you don't love, but it allows you to

887
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: have a life that you love and people in your

888
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: life that you love, then you've made it. That is

889
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: success in my book.

890
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: Love That Love That Now these days.

891
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: You mentioned that at first, and still you're like, I'm

892
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: going to dance to what I want to dance to.

893
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: This is not how we're going to monetize. Then you

894
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: started going on these tours and like accepting different partnerships,

895
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: and now you're thinking about and now you have a

896
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: membership structure. Talk to me about kind of the cornerstones

897
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: I guess of what do make you money? In your business,

898
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: because I'm sure that's a question you probably get quite often.

899
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as of twenty nineteen, Yeah, as of

900
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, there was no monetary structure. It was well,

901
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: it was tour. So we had these shows and the

902
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: only way I made a check is if we went

903
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: out and we performed at a venue. And so that

904
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: meant like Cameron, my partner, calling a venue, setting up

905
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: a show, renting our own stage, renting our own sound,

906
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Cameron at the door, checking in tickets, also running the

907
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: stuff backstage, Cameron also taking meet and greet photos, like

908
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: whilst lugging our own step and repeat banner in a

909
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: suitcase to every single city we went to. It was

910
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: it was just a grind and it was the most

911
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: rewarding thing but also the most taxing thing. And I

912
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: think it became very clear that it wasn't going to

913
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: sustain us, Like we can only hop on a plane

914
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: every single weekend for so long before it's like we've

915
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: got a new something else. And so we also had

916
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: a really hard time because we i mean, the music

917
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: we're just it's been a battle with the music industry

918
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: this whole time. It's like you feel as if you're

919
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: promoting all of these people's songs and they're treating you

920
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: like a cockroach who is like somehow abusing their music

921
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: or misusing it. And so it was really difficult, and

922
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: we had a really just bad year right before Funny,

923
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: right before twenty twenty, and we were like, it's just

924
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: getting exhausting at this point, and we were about to

925
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: quit using popular music because it just I was so

926
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: tired of like looking over my shoulder and like wondering

927
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: for the next person to come at me when I

928
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: literally like I was not making money, like when we

929
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: were touring, we were paying for the stage and the

930
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: sound and the people to run the show. Like the

931
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: profit margin was bad. It was so bad. But we

932
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: love doing it. But we just got really tired like

933
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: four years into it, and once twenty twenty came around,

934
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: we couldn't tour and it was like, okay, so this

935
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: is it, Like we're done, this is not meant to be.

936
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: And that's when YouTube memberships opened up, and it was

937
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: just the craziest timing. And YouTube is like, hey, you

938
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: can have a membership program on our platform, and so

939
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: then we got together and we're like, oh wait, if

940
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: we're not touring. Let's just do these like sixty minute

941
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: classes once a week for our YouTube members and that

942
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: way they can still have all of our regular content

943
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: for free, but if they want, like this full length

944
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: sixty minute workout, they can do that with us every

945
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: week and we can actually get paid for it. And

946
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: so it was this pivot that I don't think would

947
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: have happened without the pandemic, and it allowed us to

948
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: open up what we do in a way that's so

949
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: much more sustainable because we're not getting on a plane

950
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: and traveling and exerting ourselves. And I think that kind

951
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: of got our minds going in the place of how

952
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: can we work smarter and not harder? And so many

953
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: people say that, but it's so true, Like you have

954
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: to be so weary of burning out and over exerting yourself,

955
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: so you have to really maximize how you spend your time.

956
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: And so the YouTube memberships has truly like been life

957
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: changing for us. It's been amazing. And then also this

958
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: year we got to partners. So music works in a

959
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: weird way, but there's like three like music titans, and

960
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: so one of them is Warner Music Group, and they

961
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: reached out to us and we have just the best

962
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: relationship now and now we are getting to actually work

963
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: with them to promote their songs on our channel, and

964
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: they gave us our own Spotify workout playlist, so every

965
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: week I get to like update this playlist and it's

966
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: like the official Warner Music Spotify playlist. And it's just

967
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: this craziest thing because last year I was like, the

968
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: whole music industry hates me, no one wants me to

969
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: do this, we can't tour anymore, Like I'm actually going

970
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: to quit. And then the year after that it's I mean,

971
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: we're making money, we're working with record labels, we're doing

972
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: things we never thought possible. We're launching an active wear line.

973
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Like it's just all of these doors kept opening, even

974
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: when I thought that they kept closing, Like we just

975
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: kept standing back up and be like, okay, maybe one

976
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: more try.

977
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: What other lessons did you learn during the pandemic.

978
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: I think that it was really it was just more

979
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: of a reset for me. I think because it was

980
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: the worst time for so many people, and it was

981
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: really weird because we were kind of like, I don't

982
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: it's weird. I don't want to paint a picture and

983
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: negate all of the bad that happened, because it was

984
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: a it was a fucking awful year, Like it was awful,

985
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: and there was so much bad that happened. But I

986
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: think if any of us can figure out, is there

987
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: anything good that came out of it? And for me,

988
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, I have to have this whole

989
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: reset and rethink about how I look at the world

990
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: and what I'm doing. And I was like, I can

991
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: help the world online. I can do these fitness classes.

992
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: I can take this time and really create an active wordline,

993
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: and let's think about how to make it inclusive for

994
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: even more people and really dive into and spend more

995
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: time on things that I wouldn't have had time to

996
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: because I was going to be on a plane going

997
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: and doing a show. And so it was really this

998
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: moment of we are stuck in here, let's meet, let's

999
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: figure things out, let's plan, let's strategize and get ready

1000
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: because we knew at some point things were going to

1001
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: get better. But our job right now is really just

1002
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: to help people who were inside and humble ourselves and

1003
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: just dance in our living room. And that's really what

1004
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: we did because, like my videos are usually highly produced

1005
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: in our shows like on tour there's lights and smoke

1006
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: and effects and it's amazing. But I think really what

1007
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: people wanted last year was to know that we were

1008
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: all in this together, and that was something really cool

1009
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: that we got to do, and we were just working

1010
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: out with people inside, and I think it really helped

1011
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: us connect with people in ways that we didn't connect

1012
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: before and realize how important this was outside of the

1013
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: glitz of it all. This was a way for us

1014
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: to feel like people again, and for people who are

1015
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: struggling with their anxiety and their depression and isolation to

1016
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: have a moment where they can just release some endorphins

1017
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: and some serotonin and they can't even go outside for

1018
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: a walk like this became more important than it's ever been,

1019
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: and so I felt that responsibility and it also helped

1020
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: me I think just as much. I mean, I need

1021
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: this as well, so it's not like I'm just doing

1022
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: this for other people. But it was really cool to

1023
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: realize the gravity of what movement can do for the

1024
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: body and the brain.

1025
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier back in college, not feeling really comfortable,

1026
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: are at home in your body?

1027
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: How do you feel these days?

1028
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: I feel good. I feel good these days and it's

1029
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: and I say that while also scrolling on Instagram and

1030
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: being like, I don't look like him. I don't look

1031
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: like him. He's more defined than me, he has a

1032
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: better hairline than me, Like I mean, I don't think

1033
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: we ever get away from comparing ourselves to others. And

1034
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: I just like was thinking the other day, I think,

1035
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: right now, I'm in the best shape of my life,

1036
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: and still that doesn't change me seeing someone else and

1037
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: being like, ah, but I don't look as good as them.

1038
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: And so I think, just remembering that there is no

1039
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: point in your fitness journey that you are not that

1040
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: you are going to feel like the best. You're always

1041
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: going to look at someone and wish that you could

1042
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: look more like them. And so taking that knowledge and

1043
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: just deciding to be happy and confident in your body

1044
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: where it is right now is the most powerful thing,

1045
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: because that stole so much of my joy for so long,

1046
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Like not I remember I would I would go to

1047
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: the swimming pools in like middle school, and I would

1048
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: never take off my shirt. I wouldn't go on, like

1049
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: to the water park trips that my friends went on.

1050
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I missed out on so much just because I was

1051
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: so worried about people looking at me and what they

1052
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: thought about my body. But then you realize that everyone

1053
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: is also thinking about that, like are thinking about themselves?

1054
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: Like are they looking at me? And we're all just

1055
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 1: so insecure, but we all assume that everyone is so

1056
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: secure and confident who they are. And so I think

1057
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: it's just so important to embrace the right now because

1058
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: you do not know if you're going to be here tomorrow,

1059
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, And I

1060
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: just think that you should celebrate yourself right now because

1061
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: it's a really beautiful and amazing feeling when someone else

1062
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have the power to validate how you feel about yourself.

1063
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: When you started to gain a bigger following, I'm sure

1064
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: that that came with a fair amount of external criticism

1065
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: as well. How have you come to a place where

1066
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 2: you can handle the unsolicited feedback and stay in your joy?

1067
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to not riding the highs

1068
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: and not riding the lows. That sticks with me every

1069
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: time when I make a video, I try my best.

1070
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: I'll look at the comments for the first day, see

1071
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: like what the actual fans or like the super fans think,

1072
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: all should I should say, But after that, it's just

1073
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: people who are discovering the video, and who knows why

1074
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: they got there, what mood they were in when they

1075
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: got there, what their purpose is for leaving a comment

1076
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: on that video. So there's just so much that you

1077
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: don't know when it's just a username and a comment

1078
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: that you can't put weight into it, Like someone could

1079
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: be having a really awful day and feel really bad

1080
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: about themselves and then try to take you down too,

1081
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: or someone could be trolling and just I mean, there

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Speaker 1: are accounts dedicated to just leaving me in comments to

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Speaker 1: get attention. So it's like I do not pay attention

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Speaker 1: to the comments or what people say at all. I

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Speaker 1: know what makes me happy. I know that if something

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Speaker 1: stops making me happy, I'm not gonna do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: But I need to base what I do in this

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Speaker 1: world off of how I feel and the impact that

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Speaker 1: I have, as opposed to what Sally from New Jersey

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Speaker 1: s doaes Oh Sally, Sally, Sally's just having a bad You.

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Speaker 2: Just have it a bad day, all right? What excites

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00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: you right now? What excites me right now is the possibilities.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it almost in This may be because

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Speaker 2: I'm such a naive, like overly optimistic person, but I

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00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: just feel a renaissance coming of people really appreciating life,

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Speaker 2: appreciating people and what really matters. And I think this

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Speaker 2: past couple of years, this past year and a half

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Speaker 2: has just humbled us and I think humanized us. And

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Speaker 2: I really am excited to see the genuine joy that

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Speaker 2: people have just coming together, dancing, being in person, going

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Speaker 2: out to brunch, like just doing things that human beings

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Speaker 2: used to do and getting on and I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to be something that sticks with this generation forever.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's also going to make us a

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Speaker 1: group of people who all realize the value of the

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Speaker 1: little things that we all took for granted, because we

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Speaker 1: could be stuck inside behind a computer screen for the

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Speaker 1: rest of our lives for all we know. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think there's just so much joy and excitement that's

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Speaker 1: going to be coming out of this next year.

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Speaker 2: When people come to your Instagram page, they see this

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Speaker 2: guy that loves to dance and has a shit ton

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Speaker 2: of followers.

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Speaker 3: The same thing goes for YouTube.

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Speaker 2: You're having a great time and you know, enjoying yourself

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Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror.

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Speaker 3: What is it that you see looking back at you see?

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Speaker 1: I see the same kid in high school who really

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Speaker 1: loves musical theater, and really he likes hanging out with

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Speaker 1: his friends and playing Pokemon Go and watching funny YouTube

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Speaker 1: videos and just enjoying the regular life. It's so funny

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Speaker 1: that we have this perception of people who have a

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Speaker 1: following as if they're unreal. But I don't see myself

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Speaker 1: as any different. I don't think that people in my

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Speaker 1: life see me as any different, and I really wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want it any other way. I just feel like Caleb

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Speaker 1: from Indiana, who really just wants to go hang out

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Speaker 1: with his friends.

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Speaker 2: All right, Caleb from Indiana, Right now, you have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to offer the Caleb from Indiana, fresh into college,

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Speaker 2: feeling a little unsure of his path, a piece of advice.

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Speaker 2: Looking back on that time, right now, what do you

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Speaker 2: tell him?

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Speaker 1: I would say, stop looking in the mirror every single day,

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Speaker 1: pinching yourself, wondering why you have a pudge here, why

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Speaker 1: you have a pudge there. Stop praying away your sexuality.

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Speaker 1: Stop thinking that you constantly have to get validation from

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Speaker 1: other people because you're not enough as you are. Just

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Speaker 1: be confident and do the things that you love, and

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Speaker 1: the people that are around you will stay if they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to stay, and if not, they weren't supposed to

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Speaker 1: be in the first place. But just keep being yourself beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Caleb from Indiana, Tell me, tell us, tell the hurdlers.

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Speaker 2: How do we keep up with you? How do we

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Speaker 2: follow along with you? Give me all the details.

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Speaker 1: You can follow me at YouTube dot com, slash the

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Speaker 1: Fitness Marshal on Instagram, The Fitness Marshal on TikTok. I

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Speaker 1: also have an inclusive activewear line called active Booty that

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Speaker 1: you can find on activebooty dot com and we're I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I can say that yet, but I'll

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Speaker 1: say that right now. We offer extra small to three

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Speaker 1: X and we're so excited to keep including more people

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Speaker 1: in that and keep expanding The Fitness Marshal to so

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Speaker 1: many other avenues and really spreading the joy of movement

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Speaker 1: and just self love.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.