WEBVTT - Anti-Abortion Terrorism 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.400 It happened here. The thing that happened here was anti 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.920 abortion terrorism at high and Christopher Wong. I'm posting this. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.640 We're doing this really speedy with me, Sharne, Robert Garrison, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:25.239 and Sophie. Hi. Yeah, Hi, don't feel too speedy. I 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.960 mean this is an important Yeah, we're we're we're going 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:30.400 through the interest. We can get to the we can 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.680 get to the content faster. Get to the meat. Yeah, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.880 let's get to the fucking meat. Let's get to the 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.280 sandwich portion of the I don't know what I'm doing. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:48.640 We're talking about terrorism, Sophie, your favorite thing. Christ saved 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.960 the day. So okay, well, we've we've talked about sort 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.920 of abortion as a as a legal issue, but running 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.960 parallel to the sort of legal electoral pain against abortion 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.480 was a wave, a systemic campaign of terror that ranged 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.399 Trevor from you know, sort of individual personal humiliation and 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.600 terrorization of individual women seeking abortion to like nail bombs 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:15.800 and blowing abortion providers heads off with shotguns. Um. Yeah, 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.920 so it's it's extremely bad, obviously, but I think there's 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.240 a tendency among people who look at antibution violence is 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.920 sort of like isolated from its historical context, which is that, Okay, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.480 the American right has always rolled by terror from like 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.839 literally its earliest extermination campaigns against addition as people who 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.759 like whose land they stole to, you know, the sort 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.400 of horrific psychological abuse and violence inflicted against slaves on 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.280 their own plantation. Who there's an entire history of like 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.440 denying abortion people to slaves for numerous reasons. So you know, 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.960 there's no reason really to expect that anti abortion militants 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.600 like wouldn't be violent. And I think it's worth noting 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.240 that that the tactics of of the sort of militant 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.000 wing of the anti orsition movements, which are things like 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.480 our arson bombings and assassination are these these are the 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.560 key tactics of the of the segregationist movement when they're 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:14.080 finding against integration and you know, low and behold, like 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.560 as as abortion becomes the political glue for the right, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.520 after they sort of okay, well they sort of losified 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.920 over integration, they lose the ability to legally say like 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.840 that you can't do integration, but a lot of the 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.480 sort of factors segregation like still exists. But yeah, like 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.440 as I do that, like you still see you know, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.720 you see a new generation of sort of right wing 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.160 militants like taking the tactics of the old right wing 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:45.200 militants and using them to kill people, which is to add, yeah, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.280 for the for the record, yes, that is our official position. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:56.480 We're taking up bold stands here radicals. So I think 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.079 we should start with someone who was not killing people, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.760 because I think it's it's useful to see the sort 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.320 of like the arc of of how this movement goes. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.840 So John O'Keefe was a Catholic anti war protester. He 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.840 his thing was okay, so he's anti abortion, right, but 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.359 he wants to fuse like the anti nuclear anti war 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.200 movements with the anti abortion movements sort of in the 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.560 wake of Roe v. Wade. And this doesn't work because 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.200 the anti war and the answer nuclear movements are like 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.840 driven by leftist and feminists and they're like no, like 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.360 funk off, like we're not gonna like we want people 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.800 to have abortions, so you know, but but he he, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.960 he still is like dead set that there should be 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.920 this sort of like direct actually against abortion clinics. And 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.080 he managed to convince this convince this like quicker peace 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.440 activist named Charles Fager to like teach the anti abortion 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.480 movement the sort of like techniques of like the civil 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.760 rights movements and do like no violence ofilius obedience, and 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.560 so people like like in the in the early seventies, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.440 like as az Row like is happening, people start changing 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.200 themselves to abortion clinics, and you know, like, I think 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.160 this is if if you've been around the left long enough, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.040 like these are tactics, I think you'd recognize. But these 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.240 these are very very different campaigns. Then you're sort of 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.200 like chanting yourself to a tree like the And the 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.200 biggest difference is like the the extent to which the 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.479 focus is just purely on terrorizing people. So I'm going 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.400 to read a quote of like what these protests actually 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.000 look like, um from the book Living in the Crosshairs, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:31.880 The Untold Stories of Anti Abortion Terrorism. The protesters stand 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.000 at the entrance to the clinics parking lot and badger 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.440 the patients. When they come in, they get screamed at. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.400 The protesters write down their license plates, they send them cards, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.680 They make phone calls to their homes. Protesters also swarm 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.159 clinics and harass the people who work there. Those window blinds. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.160 Christina Who's works at a clinic, explained while pointing at 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.880 the huge windows that surround the conference table in one 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.320 of her clients. You pull them down, you can look 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.039 through them and you could find the protesters at the 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.800 windows looking in. And Krista, who's the person who's talking 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.400 about this, like she describes like the like these protesters 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.840 would walk up to her and like say her kids names, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.920 you know, in order to get like the doctor into 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.760 this clinic who is doing the abortions, like they have 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.080 to smuggle him in like that, he can't park in 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.160 the parking lot because the abortion protesters will get to him, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.800 so they have to they have to like smuggle him 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.320 in in in Christa's car. And like even then people 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.240 follow them constantly, Like the doctors and nurses have to 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.520 like change the roots to work every day. They have 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.440 these like decoys they have to use. Um. Like yeah, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.000 and for the record, I've gotten reports from folks who 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.680 work for abortion access organizations saying they are now in 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.640 multiple states using drones to follow people as they leave 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.919 the Jesus their their license playing numbers. Yeah that God, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.799 that makes sense. But it's yeah, like these people like Krista, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.480 the person I was talking about, like she she had 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.240 to transfer her kids to a private school that like 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.320 knew what her job was so that her kids wouldn't 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.600 get harassed. And like, well, we'll come back to this 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.800 sort of quote unquote non violent stuff later, but like 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.240 even in it's sort of like non violent phase, this 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.720 is a terror campaign, like the the the goal of 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:17.320 this is to terrorize everyone involved, like stalking them, by 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.800 intimidating them, by harassing them, to get them to not 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.320 do abortions anymore, making patients or people that want abortions 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.360 too afraid to get them, and people that provide them 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.880 too afraid to provide them. Yeah. Yeah, And but you 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:35.880 know this doesn't really work in the seventies, and but 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.640 by the time you shoot the eighties, it starts to 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.120 get really violent. Um in nice and eight two or 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.800 is this guy named Donnie Ben don Benny Anderson. It 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.400 is two nephews, Matt and Wayne Moore carry out the 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.320 first anti abortion, the first action of this this right 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.040 wig anti abortion. Also they're like really anti gay, Like 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.200 they they have a thing later on where they like 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.800 they have this giant celebration for like the Saudias beheading 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.239 too gay dudes or three gay dudes like they're they're horrible. Yeah, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.120 this this network is called the Army of God. And 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:11.160 oh these guys there, that sounds familiar, Yeah, they're they're 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.840 this very actually in some ways like they're they were 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.840 very sort of quintessentially modern terrorist organization and that like 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.600 they don't they don't have like a command structure. It's 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.160 not even so much essentialized cells. It's just like people 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.520 just sort of can freely affiliate to it. And like 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.280 he used his name to carry out attacks. And the 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.960 first one of these is it's it's this guy, Johnny 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.760 Benny Anderson. He kidnaps Dr Hector Zavalos and his wife 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.640 Jean and originally, like the their their plan is to 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:41.120 kill them, um don Benny Anderson like he but what 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.080 he writes about it is that he has been talking 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:44.800 to God and he has been talking to art Change, 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.480 to the archangel Michael, and they have commanded him to 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:54.360 go and kill this person. And eventually, like negotiators fortunately 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:59.560 are able to talk them down, and like the doctor 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.160 makes this like it tells them like yeah, no, no no, 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.280 I'm not gonna do abortions anymore. That they let them go. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.520 But yeah, I think like it is important to note 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:13.480 that like among people who are like this hardcore and 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.520 this isn't you know, I said, like, there are people 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:16.920 a lot of people who more moderate than this, Like 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.280 the the whole sort of talking to God thing like 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.160 that is not uncommon. No, that is like very good. No, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.240 these are all people who in their churches will like 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.960 say a bunch of gibberish words and tell everyone each 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.320 other that they're speaking in like the secret language of 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.480 God that God has like speak into their brains, speaking 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.640 in tongues. Yes, yeah, so like and yeah, like and 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.640 I think I think like there's some tendency to like, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.360 like I've seen I've seen people trying to write this 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.440 office people who are mentally illms like no, no, no, no, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.160 no no. These are desearching me. They don't believe in 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.720 a different world than you do, and they're willing to 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.480 use violence to make their world real. Yeah, and the 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.000 letter that they right, I like, why while they're holding 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.840 these people captives, says quote, those who truly love God 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.720 would kill the baby killers. And it turned out later 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.400 that they've been funding their activities by robbing abortion clinics. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.480 And actually that's not that's the thing that doesn't that 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.120 I don't think I've ever seen any of the like, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.000 like I don't think this doesn't get included in like 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.079 the list of terrorist things people do against abortion clinics. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.080 But they get robbed a lot, Like there's like a 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.760 lot of these builitants are just robbing abortion clinics so 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.960 to fund their stuff. Um. And and this is again 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.839 like the thing you have to keep in mind when 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.360 you're trying to and it like, if you literally believe 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.240 the things that these people literally believe, this is the 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.280 only moral thing to do. Yeah, if there if there 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.000 were just trying like get in their heads, if there 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.560 were an organization literally murdering babies every single day, this 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.920 would be the right thing to do. That's like you 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:58.560 have to actually like they're not crazy. They fundamentally exist 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.760 in a world that is is different from from the 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.200 one you live in as the world in a fucking 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.000 Marvel comic. Like it's it's it's just another reality that 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.800 they exist within. Yeah, and like you get sort of 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.040 like you get like like I don't know, you're called 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.480 like people who are trying to play the centrist ango 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.280 who were like, oh, like people on the left don't 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.120 understand that. It's like it's not about autonomy for them. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.880 They literally believe they're killing babies. And it's like that 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.240 doesn't like a no, but like yeah, like yeah, the 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.720 fact that they literally believe that abortion is killing children. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.720 The only thing that does is make them more fanatical 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.079 and more militants. And it's like, yeah, like I used 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.840 to sort of believe, like I used to believe that, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.600 like oh, like people don't understand they really think they're 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.320 killing babies thing. And then I went to college and 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.959 I like read it started reading about the history of genocides, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.160 and I started reading about like what how how common 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.600 it is for people who commit genocides to literally believe 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.160 that if they don't do this genocide, that the people 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.880 the genocide and you you are going to kill them. And 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.040 it was like, oh, oh no, no, that that actually 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.160 that just makes you more likely to do violence, Like 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.840 it's and and this this goes exactly how to expect 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.240 in fact that the and this is one of the 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.840 other things that they're very effective about, which is each 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.959 attack like radicalizes more people to start doing attacks. So 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.280 remember remember John O'Keefe, the guy who was doing the 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.520 non violent stuff, Like he starts questioning whether non violence 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.360 is like the right tactic and he never like bombs anything, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:25.160 but he likes stops condemning violence in public. And this 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.920 this goes really really really badly really quickly. Um, the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.959 Army of God publishes this like it's initially a very 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.480 clandestine thing, but they publish his manual about how to 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.800 attack abortion clinics, but has stuff from like like pouring 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.760 concrete overheating pipes, how to make bombs. Um, they have 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.960 this thing that the antibortion people do a lot, which 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:52.880 is pouring bucolic acid, which smells like it is the 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.600 thing that makes vomits smell bad. Like you you can 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.720 you can smell like two parts per ten million like 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.040 of this thing like in a room, and they'll they'll 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.640 take like a syringe and they'll inject it into a 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.760 facility and like like one drop of this stuff is 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.160 enough that like you can smell it like months later 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.160 there's no way to like easily clean it. And eventually 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.000 like they're pouring gallons of this stuff like into abortion clinics, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.360 into the ventilation system. Yeah. Yeah, it's there are more 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.000 than a hundred of these attacks today too, Like it's 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.920 they've they've done this a lot. Yeah, by four, this 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.640 whole thing goes into overdrive. Um, I'm going to read 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.719 a quote from from the book Armed for Life, The 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 Army of God and anti abortion terror. In the United States, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.040 the National Abortion Federation identifies thirty incidents of arson or 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.400 bombing in night four, exceeding the previous seven years combined. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.000 The series of bombing is included, but was not limited, to, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.720 the offices of the National Abortion Fund and the Americans 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.360 Civil Liberties Union in Washington, d c. As well as 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.720 abortion clinics in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. The signature of 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.840 the Army of God was also found in a subsequent 0:12:55.880 --> 0:13:00.679 clinic bombing in Saratosa, Florida. Um. One of the other 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.080 things that they do that is that is great is 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.320 so they have have a declaration of war that the 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.960 Army of God sends. They also like, like specifically send 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.200 a death threat to Harry Blackman, who was the black 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.079 Man was who was the guy who wrote the Supreme 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:20.079 Court justice who wrote Roe v. Wade, which is like, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.600 you know, this is a fun thing if you've been 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.120 like the whole discourse cycle. But oh, we shouldn't protest 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.280 that these houses Like yeah, man, a terrorist group like 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.280 threatened to kill the justice who wrote this thing, like 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:35.200 and and that guy, um, the guy who wrote that 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.680 eventually carried out like this enormous bombing campaign where he 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.880 started strapping like twenty pound like liquor pro pain tanks 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.160 to dumpowder bombs and blowing up clinics with them. And 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.400 this stuff spreads are spreads like wildfire. People start using 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.400 the Army of God's bomb recipes to attack clinics in 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.040 other ways, like yeah, we talked, We've talked about so 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.800 of the other campaign stuff that they use. Um and 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.679 and this this starts to like a lot of the 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.000 people who wind up in the full on terrorism stuff 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.679 where like people who used to be like non violent protesters, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.559 So Shelley Shelley Shannon, who who had previously been like 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.719 a non violent protester like goes violent and ninety two 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.360 and starts doing these like fautric acid attacks and then 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.920 she graduates to arson. She attacks seven clinics, offices and 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.880 health centers. And these aren't like when I say attacks, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.400 like this isn't like they threw a ball off at it. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:30.240 Like she is making napalm and like detonating napalm bombs 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:36.680 like inside of these clinics, it is do they even 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:41.119 care if people are inside? Or so? It's weird. Initially 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.320 they're they're targeting empty buildings, but they're like they're like 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.600 working themselves up to it, and like they they start 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.720 to be they they you could read this in their writing, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.600 like they they they're working themselves up to a point 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.120 where they're like, wow, okay, if there was a person 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.680 in this building, we don't really care, and yeah, yeah, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.640 and but nice ninety two the Army of God like 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.080 specifically in it in its manual, like as justification for 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.280 killing people, m and lo and behold. One year later 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.040 after this is one of the other strategies to use 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:13.680 what what what was their justification they're killing It's like, well, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.560 they're killing babies, and they have to have a bunch 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.040 of Bible verses that they sit and they're like, now 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.840 we can kill people because they're killing babies. It's great. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:29.880 It's that's that's truly like in writing to horrify. Yeah, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.120 and like like literally the next year there's all these 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.440 they start doing this thing where they put wanted posters 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.680 with like an abortion doctor's name in them, like like 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.800 literally like stuff out of like a like a Battled 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.520 West movie and they'll have like their name and like 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.960 where they live, and like that fact that they're a 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.720 doctor and say they kill babies, and uh so you 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.840 know in in in in three, these posters go up 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.040 for this doctor named Dr David Gunn and he's one 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.560 day walking back to his car when he gets shot 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.560 three times in the back by Michael Griffin and he 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.280 he dies, and he he is the first that David 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.040 Gunn is the first bushed provider to be killed, and 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.680 he is not going to be the last. Yeah, so 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.320 this immediately and you know, the moment someone does it, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.360 like it opens the floodgates and suddenly everyone is doing it. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.320 And so you know, this makes people like Shelley Shannon 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.720 and who we talked about like setting off napalm bombs, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.640 who until this point has only like bombed anti buildings. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.640 Like she starts like considering killing people and a few 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.640 months later she shoots Dr George Tiller. And if you're 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.080 thinking to yourself, hold on weight, I thought Dr George 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.080 Tiller was killed in two thousand and nine and not, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.720 you are right, Shelley's assassination attempts like she shot him 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.240 like in both arms but he survived to be murdered 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:56.200 a a decade and a half later. Um. Meanwhile, there's 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:57.840 this guy named Paul Hill who's just like a like 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.480 a bustion clinic like protester, right, he urges in like 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.680 the national media scene because he's he's like the he's 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.600 like the guy who will go on TV and defend 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.239 Michael Griffin killing killing a doctor, and they just let 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.800 him do this. He does the whole fucking talk show circuits. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.720 They just let him do this to defend on Life TV. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.080 He's on all of the mainstream networks to defend killing 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.919 abortion doctors. And he does it again with Shelley Shannon's 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.040 attempt to kill George Schiller. And a year later, uh, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.679 Paul Hill walked up to Dr Joe Britton Britain and 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.200 blew his head off with the shotgun wounds. His wife 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.880 turns around and then killed an abortion uh like at 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:37.280 clinic escort named James Barrett. Like they had this guy 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.120 on TV fucking every night saying that he like calling 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.639 the saying that killing abortion doctors is justified, and then 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.000 he fucking kills he blew an abortion doctor's head off 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:53.440 with a shotgun. The next year, well, and uh yet 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.400 I don't think I'm what's exciting is that I'm sure 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:02.000 that when there are more attack x uh by pro 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.840 choice oriented people. Uh, at no point will anyone get 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.880 brought on TV network to say anything. But but asked 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.400 that tops get more money to crack down on them. Yeah, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.960 it's like just the medias in which she was awful. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.040 We're gonna talk about this more in a bit because 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.240 it gets even worse. Um so that that same year, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.679 in ninety four, there's a gunman named John Scali the 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.720 Third who walks into a building and murders Shannon Loney, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.440 who is a social worker in anti abortion like she's 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.160 she's an anti abortion and an anti child, a brief 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.440 advocate who's working at Plant Parenthood, and he just walks 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.600 and shoots her. She shoots at a bunch of the 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.920 doctors and the patients and luckily they all survived. But 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.320 then he goes to another clinic and he kills social 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.880 worker Leanne Nichols, who was like working at the front 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.199 desk there, and he's eventually arrested. He gets away with 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.320 both of these ones, but then he goes and tries 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.640 to shoot up a third clinic and that one finally 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.280 like he gets arrested for. But like and the other 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:00.800 thing is like that the third clank that he shoots 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.600 it like that's a clank that already had already been 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.119 bombed as the claimk that they've been protest that for years. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.600 And he's you know, he goes there and he shoots 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.000 at these these people and he kills two more people, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.840 and yeah, and it's you know, and they just like 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.880 keep doing this. And one of the sort of incredibly 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.480 grotesque things is that like, Okay, so the Army of 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.320 God has this. They have a website, right, and their 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.760 website has these these things they call like the Prisoners 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.439 of Christ, who are like people who are like it's 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.879 like prisoners of conscience but like Christ, who they like 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.440 celebrate and the like raise funds for. And one of 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.920 the ways they do this is they have this thing 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.919 called the White Rose Banquet, which is like one of 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.359 the most offensive names I've ever seen for an organization. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.119 That's it's named after the White Rose Society, which is 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.920 just like Christian anti Nazi like nonviolent resistance group who's 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.280 like leaders were all killed by Hitler for opposing Hitler. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.359 And they they are things like well, okay, so the 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.199 abortion is the is the new Holocaust, and so you 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.200 know they have this banquet that's like in support of 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.919 these terrorists and they at the first one. Then they 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.199 released this thing called the Nuremberg File Project, which was 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.360 this like it was this archive of like abortion providers. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.520 It has like their names, has their addresses as photos, 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.399 it has their phone numbers. Um. They target like they 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.680 and it's not just like doctors, right, they target clinic staff, 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.280 the target security guards, stark at anyone who's who's around there, 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.600 and that they have like these like lists of different 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.479 categories of people. So first, if you're still alive, your 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.040 name will be in like bolded black. If you've been wounded, 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.920 your name will be grade like grade out. And then 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.840 if you die, there's like if you get killed or 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.240 you die, there's a strike through through it. So this 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.239 is this is a killed list they've assembled and this 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.600 is just like going around the internet. There's enormous numbers 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.240 of people who like providers who are who are put 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.639 on this and they also like the White Rose siety, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.840 like at this bankot they start putting out wanted posters 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.080 with like a thousand dollar rewards for closing a clinic 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.080 and for like convincing a doctor to stop giving abortions, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.760 and because these people are just like like I can't 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.840 have is enough like literal monsters. In the auction off 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.080 the gun that Shelly Shannon used to kill George Chiller, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:11.240 that's like a fundraising thing. Yeah, and uh, there's a 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.160 number of things you think about that. One of that 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.080 is one of them is the fact that the local 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.040 police department absolutely had to be um involved in that 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.800 because normally murder weapons don't go back to anyone that 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.240 they're destroyed, um, which means the police were like, yeah, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.320 we absolutely want you guys to be able to auction 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:35.040 this gun on cool stuff. The fear tactics they would 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:36.760