1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: It happened here. The thing that happened here was anti 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: abortion terrorism at high and Christopher Wong. I'm posting this. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: We're doing this really speedy with me, Sharne, Robert Garrison, 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: and Sophie. Hi. Yeah, Hi, don't feel too speedy. I 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: mean this is an important Yeah, we're we're we're going 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: through the interest. We can get to the we can 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: get to the content faster. Get to the meat. Yeah, 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: let's get to the fucking meat. Let's get to the 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: sandwich portion of the I don't know what I'm doing. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about terrorism, Sophie, your favorite thing. Christ saved 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: the day. So okay, well, we've we've talked about sort 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: of abortion as a as a legal issue, but running 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: parallel to the sort of legal electoral pain against abortion 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: was a wave, a systemic campaign of terror that ranged 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: Trevor from you know, sort of individual personal humiliation and 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: terrorization of individual women seeking abortion to like nail bombs 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: and blowing abortion providers heads off with shotguns. Um. Yeah, 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: so it's it's extremely bad, obviously, but I think there's 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: a tendency among people who look at antibution violence is 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of like isolated from its historical context, which is that, Okay, 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: the American right has always rolled by terror from like 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: literally its earliest extermination campaigns against addition as people who 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: like whose land they stole to, you know, the sort 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: of horrific psychological abuse and violence inflicted against slaves on 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: their own plantation. Who there's an entire history of like 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: denying abortion people to slaves for numerous reasons. So you know, 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: there's no reason really to expect that anti abortion militants 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: like wouldn't be violent. And I think it's worth noting 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: that that the tactics of of the sort of militant 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: wing of the anti orsition movements, which are things like 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: our arson bombings and assassination are these these are the 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: key tactics of the of the segregationist movement when they're 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: finding against integration and you know, low and behold, like 34 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: as as abortion becomes the political glue for the right, 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: after they sort of okay, well they sort of losified 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: over integration, they lose the ability to legally say like 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: that you can't do integration, but a lot of the 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: sort of factors segregation like still exists. But yeah, like 39 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: as I do that, like you still see you know, 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: you see a new generation of sort of right wing 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: militants like taking the tactics of the old right wing 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: militants and using them to kill people, which is to add, yeah, 43 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: for the for the record, yes, that is our official position. 44 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: We're taking up bold stands here radicals. So I think 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: we should start with someone who was not killing people, 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: because I think it's it's useful to see the sort 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: of like the arc of of how this movement goes. 48 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: So John O'Keefe was a Catholic anti war protester. He 49 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: his thing was okay, so he's anti abortion, right, but 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: he wants to fuse like the anti nuclear anti war 51 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: movements with the anti abortion movements sort of in the 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: wake of Roe v. Wade. And this doesn't work because 53 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the anti war and the answer nuclear movements are like 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: driven by leftist and feminists and they're like no, like 55 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: funk off, like we're not gonna like we want people 56 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: to have abortions, so you know, but but he he, 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: he still is like dead set that there should be 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: this sort of like direct actually against abortion clinics. And 59 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: he managed to convince this convince this like quicker peace 60 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: activist named Charles Fager to like teach the anti abortion 61 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: movement the sort of like techniques of like the civil 62 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: rights movements and do like no violence ofilius obedience, and 63 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: so people like like in the in the early seventies, 64 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: like as az Row like is happening, people start changing 65 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: themselves to abortion clinics, and you know, like, I think 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: this is if if you've been around the left long enough, 67 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: like these are tactics, I think you'd recognize. But these 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: these are very very different campaigns. Then you're sort of 69 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: like chanting yourself to a tree like the And the 70 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: biggest difference is like the the extent to which the 71 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: focus is just purely on terrorizing people. So I'm going 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: to read a quote of like what these protests actually 73 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: look like, um from the book Living in the Crosshairs, 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: The Untold Stories of Anti Abortion Terrorism. The protesters stand 75 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: at the entrance to the clinics parking lot and badger 76 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: the patients. When they come in, they get screamed at. 77 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: The protesters write down their license plates, they send them cards, 78 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: They make phone calls to their homes. Protesters also swarm 79 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: clinics and harass the people who work there. Those window blinds. 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: Christina Who's works at a clinic, explained while pointing at 81 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: the huge windows that surround the conference table in one 82 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: of her clients. You pull them down, you can look 83 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: through them and you could find the protesters at the 84 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: windows looking in. And Krista, who's the person who's talking 85 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: about this, like she describes like the like these protesters 86 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: would walk up to her and like say her kids names, 87 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, in order to get like the doctor into 88 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: this clinic who is doing the abortions, like they have 89 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: to smuggle him in like that, he can't park in 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: the parking lot because the abortion protesters will get to him, 91 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: so they have to they have to like smuggle him 92 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: in in in Christa's car. And like even then people 93 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: follow them constantly, Like the doctors and nurses have to 94 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: like change the roots to work every day. They have 95 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: these like decoys they have to use. Um. Like yeah, 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: and for the record, I've gotten reports from folks who 97 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: work for abortion access organizations saying they are now in 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: multiple states using drones to follow people as they leave 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: the Jesus their their license playing numbers. Yeah that God, 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: that makes sense. But it's yeah, like these people like Krista, 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: the person I was talking about, like she she had 102 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: to transfer her kids to a private school that like 103 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: knew what her job was so that her kids wouldn't 104 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: get harassed. And like, well, we'll come back to this 105 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: sort of quote unquote non violent stuff later, but like 106 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: even in it's sort of like non violent phase, this 107 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: is a terror campaign, like the the the goal of 108 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: this is to terrorize everyone involved, like stalking them, by 109 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: intimidating them, by harassing them, to get them to not 110 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: do abortions anymore, making patients or people that want abortions 111 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: too afraid to get them, and people that provide them 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: too afraid to provide them. Yeah. Yeah, And but you 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: know this doesn't really work in the seventies, and but 114 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: by the time you shoot the eighties, it starts to 115 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: get really violent. Um in nice and eight two or 116 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: is this guy named Donnie Ben don Benny Anderson. It 117 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: is two nephews, Matt and Wayne Moore carry out the 118 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: first anti abortion, the first action of this this right 119 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: wig anti abortion. Also they're like really anti gay, Like 120 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: they they have a thing later on where they like 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: they have this giant celebration for like the Saudias beheading 122 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: too gay dudes or three gay dudes like they're they're horrible. Yeah, 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: this this network is called the Army of God. And 124 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: oh these guys there, that sounds familiar, Yeah, they're they're 125 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: this very actually in some ways like they're they were 126 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: very sort of quintessentially modern terrorist organization and that like 127 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: they don't they don't have like a command structure. It's 128 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: not even so much essentialized cells. It's just like people 129 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: just sort of can freely affiliate to it. And like 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: he used his name to carry out attacks. And the 131 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: first one of these is it's it's this guy, Johnny 132 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Benny Anderson. He kidnaps Dr Hector Zavalos and his wife 133 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Jean and originally, like the their their plan is to 134 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: kill them, um don Benny Anderson like he but what 135 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: he writes about it is that he has been talking 136 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: to God and he has been talking to art Change, 137 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: to the archangel Michael, and they have commanded him to 138 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: go and kill this person. And eventually, like negotiators fortunately 139 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: are able to talk them down, and like the doctor 140 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: makes this like it tells them like yeah, no, no no, 141 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do abortions anymore. That they let them go. 142 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think like it is important to note 143 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: that like among people who are like this hardcore and 144 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: this isn't you know, I said, like, there are people 145 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people who more moderate than this, Like 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the the whole sort of talking to God thing like 147 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: that is not uncommon. No, that is like very good. No, 148 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: these are all people who in their churches will like 149 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: say a bunch of gibberish words and tell everyone each 150 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: other that they're speaking in like the secret language of 151 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: God that God has like speak into their brains, speaking 152 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: in tongues. Yes, yeah, so like and yeah, like and 153 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I think I think like there's some tendency to like, 154 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: like I've seen I've seen people trying to write this 155 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: office people who are mentally illms like no, no, no, no, 156 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: no no. These are desearching me. They don't believe in 157 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: a different world than you do, and they're willing to 158 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: use violence to make their world real. Yeah, and the 159 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: letter that they right, I like, why while they're holding 160 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: these people captives, says quote, those who truly love God 161 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: would kill the baby killers. And it turned out later 162 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: that they've been funding their activities by robbing abortion clinics. 163 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: And actually that's not that's the thing that doesn't that 164 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen any of the like, 165 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: like I don't think this doesn't get included in like 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: the list of terrorist things people do against abortion clinics. 167 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: But they get robbed a lot, Like there's like a 168 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of these builitants are just robbing abortion clinics so 169 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: to fund their stuff. Um. And and this is again 170 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: like the thing you have to keep in mind when 171 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: you're trying to and it like, if you literally believe 172 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: the things that these people literally believe, this is the 173 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: only moral thing to do. Yeah, if there if there 174 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: were just trying like get in their heads, if there 175 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: were an organization literally murdering babies every single day, this 176 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: would be the right thing to do. That's like you 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: have to actually like they're not crazy. They fundamentally exist 178 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: in a world that is is different from from the 179 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: one you live in as the world in a fucking 180 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Marvel comic. Like it's it's it's just another reality that 181 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: they exist within. Yeah, and like you get sort of 182 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: like you get like like I don't know, you're called 183 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: like people who are trying to play the centrist ango 184 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: who were like, oh, like people on the left don't 185 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: understand that. It's like it's not about autonomy for them. 186 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: They literally believe they're killing babies. And it's like that 187 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: doesn't like a no, but like yeah, like yeah, the 188 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: fact that they literally believe that abortion is killing children. 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: The only thing that does is make them more fanatical 190 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: and more militants. And it's like, yeah, like I used 191 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: to sort of believe, like I used to believe that, 192 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: like oh, like people don't understand they really think they're 193 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: killing babies thing. And then I went to college and 194 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: I like read it started reading about the history of genocides, 195 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: and I started reading about like what how how common 196 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: it is for people who commit genocides to literally believe 197 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: that if they don't do this genocide, that the people 198 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the genocide and you you are going to kill them. And 199 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, oh no, no, that that actually 200 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: that just makes you more likely to do violence, Like 201 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: it's and and this this goes exactly how to expect 202 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: in fact that the and this is one of the 203 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: other things that they're very effective about, which is each 204 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: attack like radicalizes more people to start doing attacks. So 205 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: remember remember John O'Keefe, the guy who was doing the 206 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: non violent stuff, Like he starts questioning whether non violence 207 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: is like the right tactic and he never like bombs anything, 208 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: but he likes stops condemning violence in public. And this 209 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: this goes really really really badly really quickly. Um, the 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: Army of God publishes this like it's initially a very 211 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: clandestine thing, but they publish his manual about how to 212 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: attack abortion clinics, but has stuff from like like pouring 213 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: concrete overheating pipes, how to make bombs. Um, they have 214 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: this thing that the antibortion people do a lot, which 215 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: is pouring bucolic acid, which smells like it is the 216 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: thing that makes vomits smell bad. Like you you can 217 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: you can smell like two parts per ten million like 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: of this thing like in a room, and they'll they'll 219 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: take like a syringe and they'll inject it into a 220 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: facility and like like one drop of this stuff is 221 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: enough that like you can smell it like months later 222 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: there's no way to like easily clean it. And eventually 223 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: like they're pouring gallons of this stuff like into abortion clinics, 224 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: into the ventilation system. Yeah. Yeah, it's there are more 225 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: than a hundred of these attacks today too, Like it's 226 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: they've they've done this a lot. Yeah, by four, this 227 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: whole thing goes into overdrive. Um, I'm going to read 228 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: a quote from from the book Armed for Life, The 229 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Army of God and anti abortion terror. In the United States, 230 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: the National Abortion Federation identifies thirty incidents of arson or 231 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: bombing in night four, exceeding the previous seven years combined. 232 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: The series of bombing is included, but was not limited, to, 233 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: the offices of the National Abortion Fund and the Americans 234 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Civil Liberties Union in Washington, d c. As well as 235 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: abortion clinics in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. The signature of 236 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: the Army of God was also found in a subsequent 237 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: clinic bombing in Saratosa, Florida. Um. One of the other 238 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: things that they do that is that is great is 239 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: so they have have a declaration of war that the 240 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: Army of God sends. They also like, like specifically send 241 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: a death threat to Harry Blackman, who was the black 242 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: Man was who was the guy who wrote the Supreme 243 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: Court justice who wrote Roe v. Wade, which is like, 244 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, this is a fun thing if you've been 245 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: like the whole discourse cycle. But oh, we shouldn't protest 246 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: that these houses Like yeah, man, a terrorist group like 247 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: threatened to kill the justice who wrote this thing, like 248 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: and and that guy, um, the guy who wrote that 249 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: eventually carried out like this enormous bombing campaign where he 250 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: started strapping like twenty pound like liquor pro pain tanks 251 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: to dumpowder bombs and blowing up clinics with them. And 252 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: this stuff spreads are spreads like wildfire. People start using 253 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: the Army of God's bomb recipes to attack clinics in 254 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: other ways, like yeah, we talked, We've talked about so 255 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: of the other campaign stuff that they use. Um and 256 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: and this this starts to like a lot of the 257 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: people who wind up in the full on terrorism stuff 258 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: where like people who used to be like non violent protesters, 259 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: So Shelley Shelley Shannon, who who had previously been like 260 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: a non violent protester like goes violent and ninety two 261 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: and starts doing these like fautric acid attacks and then 262 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: she graduates to arson. She attacks seven clinics, offices and 263 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: health centers. And these aren't like when I say attacks, 264 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: like this isn't like they threw a ball off at it. 265 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: Like she is making napalm and like detonating napalm bombs 266 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: like inside of these clinics, it is do they even 267 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,119 Speaker 1: care if people are inside? Or so? It's weird. Initially 268 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: they're they're targeting empty buildings, but they're like they're like 269 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: working themselves up to it, and like they they start 270 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: to be they they you could read this in their writing, 271 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: like they they they're working themselves up to a point 272 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: where they're like, wow, okay, if there was a person 273 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: in this building, we don't really care, and yeah, yeah, 274 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: and but nice ninety two the Army of God like 275 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: specifically in it in its manual, like as justification for 276 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: killing people, m and lo and behold. One year later 277 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: after this is one of the other strategies to use 278 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: what what what was their justification they're killing It's like, well, 279 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: they're killing babies, and they have to have a bunch 280 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: of Bible verses that they sit and they're like, now 281 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: we can kill people because they're killing babies. It's great. 282 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: It's that's that's truly like in writing to horrify. Yeah, 283 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: and like like literally the next year there's all these 284 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: they start doing this thing where they put wanted posters 285 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: with like an abortion doctor's name in them, like like 286 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: literally like stuff out of like a like a Battled 287 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: West movie and they'll have like their name and like 288 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: where they live, and like that fact that they're a 289 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: doctor and say they kill babies, and uh so you 290 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: know in in in in three, these posters go up 291 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: for this doctor named Dr David Gunn and he's one 292 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: day walking back to his car when he gets shot 293 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: three times in the back by Michael Griffin and he 294 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: he dies, and he he is the first that David 295 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Gunn is the first bushed provider to be killed, and 296 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: he is not going to be the last. Yeah, so 297 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: this immediately and you know, the moment someone does it, 298 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: like it opens the floodgates and suddenly everyone is doing it. 299 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: And so you know, this makes people like Shelley Shannon 300 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: and who we talked about like setting off napalm bombs, 301 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: who until this point has only like bombed anti buildings. 302 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Like she starts like considering killing people and a few 303 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: months later she shoots Dr George Tiller. And if you're 304 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: thinking to yourself, hold on weight, I thought Dr George 305 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: Tiller was killed in two thousand and nine and not, 306 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: you are right, Shelley's assassination attempts like she shot him 307 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: like in both arms but he survived to be murdered 308 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a a decade and a half later. Um. Meanwhile, there's 309 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: this guy named Paul Hill who's just like a like 310 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: a bustion clinic like protester, right, he urges in like 311 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: the national media scene because he's he's like the he's 312 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: like the guy who will go on TV and defend 313 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: Michael Griffin killing killing a doctor, and they just let 314 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: him do this. He does the whole fucking talk show circuits. 315 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: They just let him do this to defend on Life TV. 316 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: He's on all of the mainstream networks to defend killing 317 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: abortion doctors. And he does it again with Shelley Shannon's 318 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: attempt to kill George Schiller. And a year later, uh, 319 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: Paul Hill walked up to Dr Joe Britton Britain and 320 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: blew his head off with the shotgun wounds. His wife 321 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: turns around and then killed an abortion uh like at 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: clinic escort named James Barrett. Like they had this guy 323 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: on TV fucking every night saying that he like calling 324 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: the saying that killing abortion doctors is justified, and then 325 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: he fucking kills he blew an abortion doctor's head off 326 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: with a shotgun. The next year, well, and uh yet 327 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm what's exciting is that I'm sure 328 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: that when there are more attack x uh by pro 329 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: choice oriented people. Uh, at no point will anyone get 330 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: brought on TV network to say anything. But but asked 331 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: that tops get more money to crack down on them. Yeah, 332 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: it's like just the medias in which she was awful. 333 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this more in a bit because 334 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: it gets even worse. Um so that that same year, 335 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: in ninety four, there's a gunman named John Scali the 336 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: Third who walks into a building and murders Shannon Loney, 337 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: who is a social worker in anti abortion like she's 338 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: she's an anti abortion and an anti child, a brief 339 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: advocate who's working at Plant Parenthood, and he just walks 340 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: and shoots her. She shoots at a bunch of the 341 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: doctors and the patients and luckily they all survived. But 342 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: then he goes to another clinic and he kills social 343 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: worker Leanne Nichols, who was like working at the front 344 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: desk there, and he's eventually arrested. He gets away with 345 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: both of these ones, but then he goes and tries 346 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: to shoot up a third clinic and that one finally 347 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: like he gets arrested for. But like and the other 348 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: thing is like that the third clank that he shoots 349 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: it like that's a clank that already had already been 350 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: bombed as the claimk that they've been protest that for years. 351 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: And he's you know, he goes there and he shoots 352 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: at these these people and he kills two more people, 353 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, and it's you know, and they just like 354 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: keep doing this. And one of the sort of incredibly 355 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: grotesque things is that like, Okay, so the Army of 356 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: God has this. They have a website, right, and their 357 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: website has these these things they call like the Prisoners 358 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: of Christ, who are like people who are like it's 359 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: like prisoners of conscience but like Christ, who they like 360 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: celebrate and the like raise funds for. And one of 361 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: the ways they do this is they have this thing 362 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: called the White Rose Banquet, which is like one of 363 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the most offensive names I've ever seen for an organization. 364 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: That's it's named after the White Rose Society, which is 365 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: just like Christian anti Nazi like nonviolent resistance group who's 366 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: like leaders were all killed by Hitler for opposing Hitler. 367 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: And they they are things like well, okay, so the 368 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: abortion is the is the new Holocaust, and so you 369 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: know they have this banquet that's like in support of 370 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: these terrorists and they at the first one. Then they 371 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: released this thing called the Nuremberg File Project, which was 372 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: this like it was this archive of like abortion providers. 373 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: It has like their names, has their addresses as photos, 374 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: it has their phone numbers. Um. They target like they 375 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: and it's not just like doctors, right, they target clinic staff, 376 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: the target security guards, stark at anyone who's who's around there, 377 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: and that they have like these like lists of different 378 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: categories of people. So first, if you're still alive, your 379 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: name will be in like bolded black. If you've been wounded, 380 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: your name will be grade like grade out. And then 381 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: if you die, there's like if you get killed or 382 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: you die, there's a strike through through it. So this 383 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: is this is a killed list they've assembled and this 384 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: is just like going around the internet. There's enormous numbers 385 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: of people who like providers who are who are put 386 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: on this and they also like the White Rose siety, 387 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: like at this bankot they start putting out wanted posters 388 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: with like a thousand dollar rewards for closing a clinic 389 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: and for like convincing a doctor to stop giving abortions, 390 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: and because these people are just like like I can't 391 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: have is enough like literal monsters. In the auction off 392 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: the gun that Shelly Shannon used to kill George Chiller, 393 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: that's like a fundraising thing. Yeah, and uh, there's a 394 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: number of things you think about that. One of that 395 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: is one of them is the fact that the local 396 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: police department absolutely had to be um involved in that 397 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: because normally murder weapons don't go back to anyone that 398 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: they're destroyed, um, which means the police were like, yeah, 399 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: we absolutely want you guys to be able to auction 400 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: this gun on cool stuff. The fear tactics they would 401 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: be like, of course they would work if your whole 402 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: if your name is on this list and you have 403 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: a family and you're you know what I mean, like 404 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: it's it's I will say that there is an interesting 405 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: thing with this, were like a lot of a lot 406 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: of people who like get targeted by this stuff, like 407 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: it just pisces them off and they can even more 408 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: committed to it, which is like incredibly rad But also 409 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, they just they have these abortion provider 410 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: kill lists, and people on this list get killed. It's encouraged, 411 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: like the people are encouraging to kill them. And like 412 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: they do this in the open, like there are like 413 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: literally like Christian radio stations will like they will be 414 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: they'll they'll do this thing where like they'll they'll they'll 415 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: start listing like like like by name and the addresses 416 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of like where the abortion providers dear them are and 417 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: then start talking about the biblical verses to justify killing them. 418 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: And then they will literally say on the radio, go 419 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: kill this person. And they could just do this. No 420 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: one stopped them ever. They just got away with this 421 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: for decades and decades. So what one of one of 422 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: the other. I think this bombing is famous, but I 423 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: don't think the reason why it happened is famous. Um 424 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: so there's a guy Eric Rudolph. Oh yeah, it was 425 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: was wondering when they we're gonna talk about Yeah, yeah, 426 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: so that's right now. So so Eric Rudolph is most 427 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: famous for nailed bombing Atlanta Olympics. He did. Yeah, he 428 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: put entering hundreds of peace yeah yeah, he enters people, 429 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: he kills killing killed one. Yeah, it was more special 430 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: forces guy right, yeah yeah yeah yeah, And He says 431 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: that his commander in ar assault regiment taught him how 432 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: to make bombs like out of out of like scrap stuff. 433 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: So he like yeah, so okay, so and he does 434 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: his next six. He doesn't get caught, right this this 435 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: this guy, this guy detonated a nail bomb at the 436 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: fucking Olympics. And then at then a year later. Oh, 437 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: don't worry, we're gonna We're gonna a year later, this 438 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: twice next year. The next year, he sets off a 439 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: bunch of bombs, and he sets off a bomb at 440 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: an abortion clinic. And this is like, this is this 441 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: is a double tap bomb. There is a there is 442 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: a bomb in a trash can behind that that's that's 443 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: designed to kill the first responders. Um, this is seven 444 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: people and the seven and it kills the police officer 445 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: actually does it? Oh I didn't, but yeah, it kills 446 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: the police officer. Yeah. And then like the next one, 447 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: he bombs in Atlanta nightclub and win six people. I'm 448 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: sorry specifically, yeah, he bombed, he bombs, I bought, he 449 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: bombs a gay bar. Um and there were that one 450 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: he also like in the adjacent parking lot, because again 451 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: he was trying to kill the first responders, that the 452 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: police find a bomb and diffuse it before it can 453 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: go off. And again they still don't get this guy 454 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: the not until two thousand three. The next year, he 455 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: bombs another rebution clinic with a nail bomb. In this 456 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of just got time, he kills a security guard 457 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: named Robert Sanderson, and like permanently injures a nurse name 458 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: Emi Leons, who was like Emily Leon's who was he 459 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: was left like half blind and like permanently made by 460 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: the fact that again he set off a fucking nail 461 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: bomb and he was not caught. He was not he 462 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: was not caught for a while. Yeah, And I want 463 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: to stop here and talk about like how the bombing 464 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: stuff is carried in the media, right, Um, as best 465 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: I could, talent, I went to look for this. No 466 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: anarchist has killed someone with the bomb in the US 467 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: for hundred years, Like Coral Marx was closer to seeing 468 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: the moon landing than a baby born today is of 469 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: seeing an anarchist kill someoneos with the bomb. And yet 470 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: anarchism everywhere is so constantly associated with bombings. Meanwhile, the 471 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: anti abortion freaks fucking they bombed the nine Olympics with 472 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: a nail bomb, and he on when he was in 473 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: his trial, he released to benifesto talking about how deadly 474 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: force is justified against people who operate abortion clinics. He talks, 475 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: he talks about a whole whole bunch of like whole 476 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: bunch of anti gay stuff, whole bunch of anti abortion stuff, 477 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: like and he's like he's given them like like on 478 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: his trial just used to like read his manifesto. It's 479 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty wild. Where are the pro life activists 480 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: when it comes to taking life? That's interesting, Well, but 481 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing though. They're all they're all in 482 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: favor of of like, yeah, there are doing that. It's 483 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: self defense or its defensive, these these these babics. I'm 484 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: not the defense of those who can't defend themselves. What 485 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: they'll talk about it is entirely within them, the moral 486 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: universe within they operate. It's it is entirely consistent. It's 487 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: one of those things. Whenever like liberals will be like, 488 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: why don't they do this or why don't do they that? 489 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: That's not pro life, and it's like, well, because the 490 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: word doesn't mean the same thing to you. Well, and 491 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: and the guy's doing this terror because like you will, 492 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: occasionally you'll get some I mean, some of the pro 493 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: life people oppose this because they think it's bad optics, right, 494 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: But apparently it's not bad optics because again, like, who 495 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: are the people who get fucking remembered as bombers? Like 496 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: and I want to I want to read a quote 497 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: from from the FBI. This is this is This is 498 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: from from the book Armed for Life. In in nineteen 499 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: eighty four, the year with the highest abortion clinic bombings 500 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: to date, FBI Director William Webster went on television and 501 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: informed the public, quote, bombing a bank or a post 502 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: office is terrorism. Bombing an abortion clinic is not an 503 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: active terrorism because the objective is social. Is social and 504 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: anti abortion violence, and I don't believe it currently meets 505 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: our definition of terrorism. Reagan's called Reagan called the It's worse, okay, 506 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: Reagan called called the bombings. The abortion clinic bomb is 507 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: quote anarchist activities. Like they're fucking they're blowing up abortion 508 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: clinics and we're still getting fucking blamed for it. Like 509 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I don't know a lot about anything. So 510 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: this is a lot of this is used to me, 511 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: which is wild that I'm hearing about a lot of 512 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: this for the first time. How have I not known 513 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: about this? They bombed the Olympics and know what talks 514 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: about it? Actually, like I was just losing my mind 515 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: the whold like it's it's bad, and it's it's still happening. 516 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: It's not. It's just like three people were killed and 517 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: nine people were injured an attack on the Planned Parenthood 518 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: clinic in Colorado back. Um, there's been over at least 519 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: at least at least eleven murder is tied to of 520 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: anti abortion uh like like action. I guess twenty six 521 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: attempted murders, at least forty two bombings, two hundred arsons, 522 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: and then thousands and thousands of more like assaults and 523 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: random random incidents. We should also point out here when 524 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about the murder counts and murder count is 525 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: lower vented actually is because the murder count doesn't count 526 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: to people who like the Americans, like specifically the Americans 527 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: who went to Canada to shoot abortion doctors and the 528 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: Americans who went to Australia to shoot abortion doctors, both 529 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: of which happened, and threats against abortion providers have increased 530 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: exponentially just since just since, like they have more than quadrupled, 531 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: like this is it's constant. It's been escalating at such 532 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: a at such a rate that every year's data is 533 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: insufficient for talking about the current period. Like it's it's 534 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: you can't you can't even talk about it because all 535 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: of the data is so inaccurate. Now that's how fast 536 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: this stuff is accelerating. And and like there's there's a 537 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: few other things that like, like you mentioned when we 538 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: talked about the statistics. So one of the reason is 539 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: the reason the death toll is like quote unquote only 540 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: eleven is because bomb making is really hard and a 541 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: lot of these bombs don't go off. So for example, 542 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: in Canada, a worker right a clinic discovered a bomb 543 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: with two pounds of nails in it that quote how 544 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: to destruct a capability of a hundred feet um and 545 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, and also like I should put this out 546 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: like okay, so like they they there's a lot of 547 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: abotion doctors who are killed like outside of their clinics. 548 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: But also there's a guy named James Copp who who 549 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: shot he shot like four doctors and he shot them 550 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: like in their homes like with with with an s 551 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: KS like in their homes through their windows and he 552 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: he killed Dr Barrett Slippy in in in the nineties 553 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: and like and you know and like it. They like 554 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: they keep doing stuff like this, Like in two thousand 555 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: and one. I don't know if I wonder how many 556 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: people actually remember this. Uh, there was this huge anthrax scare. 557 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: What was an ancestor like that people were like they 558 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: were later they were anthact attacks. People were like mailing 559 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: people letters with anthrax in it, and so right, this 560 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: is happening. Um, A guy named Clay Wagner since eight 561 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: hundred letters signed by the RB of God with fake 562 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: anthrax to plan players heard clinics in seventeen states and 563 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: these antis packets like it's not just like flower, right, 564 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: these antis packets have BT in it, which is there's 565 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: a pesticide that is so similar to anthrax of the 566 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: package just texted tested positive. And so all of these people, 567 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: these eight eight hundred clinics who opened these letters like 568 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: thought they were going to die because they opened they 569 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: opened a letter there was white potter in it. It 570 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: said it was anthrax and then it tested positive for anthrax. 571 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: And like to this day, a bunch of abortion clinics 572 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: like have like like that when when they're they're like 573 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: when they opened their mail, they have they have like 574 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: a special room that is like sealed off so that 575 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: if they open the mail, they open a chemical weapon, 576 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: only the person reading the mail will die. Well. Great, 577 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: that's the side of a good system. Yeah. They also 578 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: a lot of planned parenthoods have something kind of similar 579 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: set up with the receptionist where basically the way it's 580 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: set up is that if there's a mass shooter, the 581 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: receptionists can like seal off everyone but them. Yeah, it's 582 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: like a thing that you know you're getting into if 583 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: you're in a plant, if you if you're in that gig, 584 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: it's like someone might come in and I might have 585 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: to die to try and stop them from getting to 586 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: everyone else. It's it's bad. I mean, just just from 587 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: there was a hundred increase in reports of assaults and 588 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: batteries uh inside and outside clinics. UM, there was double 589 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: the amount of death threats from and things have not 590 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: gotten better since twenty So we're just waiting for all 591 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: that new data to come in because oh boy, Yeah, 592 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: and I think there's another thing when we need to 593 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: keep in mind with this data is that there's so 594 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: much stuff doesn't get reported. All of those numbers are low, 595 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: every single one of them is normally low. And there 596 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: was a bunch of other stuff that is people do 597 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: that just never gets talked about. Um, well, okay, so 598 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: I think before we get into that, I do want 599 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the most famous uh abortion provide you 600 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: who got murdered, which is Dr George Tiller, who is 601 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: like a genuinely incredibly heroic figure who he was keep 602 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: doing it after the first time you were shot, Like 603 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: you would be a hero if you did it up 604 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: until you got shot, going after like he got shot. 605 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: He's a his clinic got bombed. There was an entire eye. Yeah, 606 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: he's clinic up on what was the other one? Yeah, 607 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: he he was. He was one of the he was 608 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: I think he was actually I don't know if it 609 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: was that anthrax threat or like a different anthrax threat, 610 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: but like people, people like he kept getting anthrax threats. Um. 611 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: There was this thing called Operation Rescue, which is I 612 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: guess that there's still version of us around. But they're 613 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: these like they do these like giant like non violent 614 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: severe disito obedience campaigns were like thousands of people will 615 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: will will will show up to a place and they'll 616 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: like change themselves the buildings and they'll like prevent anyone 617 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: from getting in, and they'll like terrorize everyone around there. 618 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: And his office is one of the is one of 619 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: the ones that was targeted, which is like in there 620 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: like that they had this big campaign called Operation Rescue. 621 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: It was targeting like him specifically. And there is one 622 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: fun story in this which is they tried this in Minneapolis, 623 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: Nett three, but they got their asss cap by a 624 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: bunch of anarchists and had to all run away, which 625 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: was extremely funny. But yeah, like I'm the The other 626 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: thing that that's important with with Tiller specifically is the 627 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: extent to which the right wing media is like like 628 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: culpable in this um like Tiller. Like Bill o'reiley specifically 629 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: is constantly yelling about Tiller. He calls Tiller the baby killer. 630 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: He accuses him of running a quote operating a death mill, 631 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: executing baby is about to be born, and destroying fetuses 632 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: for just about any reason right up until birthdate. Uh. 633 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: He On one of his rants, he he literally says 634 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: like right before well not like pretty close to when 635 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Tiller ists assassinated. Uh quote, if I could get my 636 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: hands on tiller, well, you know, can't be vigilantes, can't 637 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 1: do that. It's just a figure of speech. But despicable. 638 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it doesn't get worse? Does it get worse? No? Wow, 639 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: So he's just like this is just like the ship 640 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: that that he's that that he's being subjected to by 641 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: the media. And then oh lo and behold he gets murdered. 642 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: You know what doesn't I don't know, I have nothing 643 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: to say. It doesn't do uh coordinated you know what 644 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: would be dope? Here here's what I'll say. You know, 645 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: it would be dope if when somebody came to shoot 646 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: George Tyler that person had gotten shot repeatedly. That would 647 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: have been cool. M that would have been neat. But anyway, 648 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: here's ads and we're back with more horrifying stuff. Um. Yeah, 649 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of focus I think, you know, 650 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of media coverage recently about this, 651 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: just because, like you knows, as a reaction to the 652 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: incredibly bad faith Like, oh, look at the sanctity of 653 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: people protesting at the Supreme Court. It's like they blew 654 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: people's heads off. The shotguns but you know, and like 655 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: that's good, and I'm really glad there's there's more media 656 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: reporting about this, But I want to talk about you know, 657 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: there's there's an incredible focus here on the shootings and bombings, 658 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: and like there's good reason for that, But I want 659 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: to talk about some other ship that the force birth 660 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: fanatics do because it's horrifying. It doesn't get talked enough 661 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: about enough. Um So, one of the people who gets 662 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: interviewed in Living in the cross Hairs, which is a 663 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: great book by the way, it's it's about I mean, okay, 664 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: I don't agree with all of its policy recommendations, but 665 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: it's a book like interviewing like abortion providers about their experiences. 666 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: One of the people they interview is this guy named 667 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: Rodney Smith, who's an abortion doctor. Um and I'm just 668 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: gonna read the stuff that they do to this guy 669 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: because it's okay, So protesters show up to his son's wedding. Um, 670 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: they burn his house and his farm down, They burns 671 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: to death, They kill their dog, their cats, and all 672 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: of their possessions. Wow. Yeah from the books help kill Babies. 673 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: Can you tell me that the cats? Yeah, we will 674 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: imagine im script did this Yeah, everyone would lose their minds. 675 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna read a quote about 676 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: this from this book. Someone mailed a letter postmarked the 677 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: morning of the fire justifying killing the animals on Rodney's 678 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: farm because Rodney quote murdered little children. However, the letter 679 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: was untraceable. Wow. They do this ship all the fucking time, 680 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: and it never gets reported. Because the reason never gets 681 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: reported is because when when when, when this this the 682 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: city comes to investigate, They fucking destroyed the entire scene 683 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: of the crime. They showed the entire scene of the 684 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: crime so thoroughly that when the fire marshal showed up 685 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: the day after, they tried to arrest um. They tried 686 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: to arrest Rodney Smith Smith for evidence tampering because I 687 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: thought that he had done it right. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow, 688 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: And let's less lest you think this is the end 689 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: of the ship, that that that this guy goes through, right, 690 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: Like they when they find out he's like going to 691 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: like a conference, or like they find out he's staying 692 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: in hotel, that they do these campaigns where like they'll 693 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: they'll do these mass collins to the hotel saying hey, 694 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: there's this person here and if you don't kick them out, 695 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: like we're going to protest all your branches. He gets 696 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: kicked out of hotels. Um, he gets attacked by an 697 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: anti abortion protester in the chambers of the Supreme Court, 698 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: like that Supreme Court, the big one. How did they 699 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: even get in the two the chambers of the Supreme Court. 700 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: He was just one of it was one of the 701 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: people who was showing up at this thing, and that 702 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: the guy like throws him out of his chair, grabs him, 703 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: throws him out of his chair, picks up the chair 704 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: and starts beating the share out of him with his 705 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: own chair. In this is in the chambers of the 706 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: Supreme courts. They beat an abortion doctor with his own chair. 707 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: And you know, socially, Roddy had had security with him, right, 708 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: because you know it it's yeah, when when you're abortion 709 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 1: doctor and and people are this targeted at you, Yeah, 710 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: you have securities. You don't get attacked like this. But 711 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: the court wouldn't let him like bring his private security 712 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: in and their rationalization was, uh, he had been assured 713 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: that quote nothing ever happens in the Supreme Court. To 714 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: think about this, right, you cannot find a news article 715 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: about this. Right, a guy got beat up by these 716 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: people in the Supreme Court. If literally anyone who was 717 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: not a fucking forced birth anti abortion fanatic did this, 718 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: there would have been a new cycle that would have 719 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: lasted until the fucking end of time. There have been 720 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: a movie and three shows made about it. Yeah, and 721 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: there's just nothing well like that is wild, Like that 722 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: is really showing like these things don't get These things 723 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: aren't big problems, right because they aren't challenging to any 724 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of power structure. So they're allowed to happen because 725 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: they're just reinforcing things. They're not actually challenging things. Um. 726 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: But still it's very brazen. When you're killing like seventeen 727 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: horses and going into the Supreme Court to beat someone 728 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: with a chair, you would think that someone would say something, 729 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Um and I've never heard of this before either this 730 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: I know, this is like the thing, the thing I 731 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: want to emphasize about this. This is the things they 732 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: did to one guy, right, one doctor. This is happening 733 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: like this is right, Like this stuff, this kind of 734 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: stuff is happening to people every fucking day across the country, 735 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: and there is nothing there is jack shit. You might 736 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: maybe see a report in local papers, like maybe it 737 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: is a it is a it is a just an 738 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: incredible campaign of terror. But this guy is like he 739 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: is staggeringly based. Uh. Here this is quote from that book. Again, 740 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: Rodney is used to this type of verbal abuse and 741 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: sometimes reacting kinds. When a priest called him a murderer, Uh, 742 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: Rodney responded by calling the priest a child molester. When 743 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: the protesters told Rodney they were praying for him, he responded, no, 744 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: you're praying upon us. There's a difference. So she rules 745 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: and she likes she he'd been a doctor who like 746 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: did other stuff and when they worshiped people. I think 747 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: I think it was after they burned his house down. 748 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: She was like, no, fuck you, I'm only going to 749 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: do abortions now. She's exaggeratedly basic, like yeah, which which 750 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: I guess also like this is this is a thing 751 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: that like so like obviously, like I don't think any 752 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: leftist has ever fucking lit people's horses on fire, not 753 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: that I know of them, generally left generally they would 754 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 1: have more of an instinct to free the horses. Yeah, 755 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: Like you have to you have to be like genuinely 756 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: monstrous to to light horses on fire, like they screamed 757 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: like horses scream like when you like them on fire. 758 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and and and cats and dogs animal like 759 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: an animal abust and animal murder. But it's it's like 760 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: pretty pretty despicable. And there's uh just justifying it by 761 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: saying it's because they were on the property of someone 762 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: who helps gives abortions is some wild some wild thinking. Well, 763 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: none of those what's are in the Bible. Actually there 764 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: is there is a lot of animal murdering in the Bible. 765 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: Never mind yeah, okay, well but but but but I mean, 766 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: I I will say that there is a thing that 767 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 1: can happen where if if you like, sometimes targeted protests 768 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: on a person just like makes them bin for it, 769 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: like dig into their beliefs. And that's on top and 770 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: and and I think like here, I think like there's 771 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are just stunning Lee Brave 772 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,959 Speaker 1: who go through this ship and just still keep doing 773 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: it because like this is something that they believe in. 774 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: And you know, and those aren't even like that extreme 775 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: examples of like the kind of stuff that happens. Again 776 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: again we've talked about like again nail bombs, right, like 777 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: people were getting their heads blown off with shotguns. There's 778 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: there's a systemic campaign of terror that has felt incredibly 779 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: acutely by the people who need these services, who need 780 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: to get abortions, who need to get reproductive healthcare, and 781 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: is felt by the providers of that healthcare, and nobody 782 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: else in society sees about it or talks about it, 783 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: and they have you know, Okay, so the I'm I'm 784 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: gonna read another quote from Living in the Crosshairs about 785 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: the tactics that these groups use because they have they 786 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: have so many things. These tactics include bombings, arson and 787 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: threat scares, and mass blockades. Extremists have also thrown beautric 788 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: acid into clinics, glued clinic locks, shut locked themselves to 789 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: clinic property using items such as bicycle locks or chains, 790 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: drilled holes into clinic groups so that clinics flood, invaded, 791 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: invaded clinics, vandalized clinics, made threatening phone calls, try to 792 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: persuade patients to go to fake clinics, which we've talked 793 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 1: about that in our our episode on Cristis pregnancy centers, 794 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: but those that is also like part of the systemic 795 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: campaign of terror, is deceiving and humiliating people into not 796 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: getting abortions. Uh, they put spikes on driveways. They they 797 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: they'll they'll still stand one of them. This is the 798 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: very common things. They'll stand on stand outside of abortion 799 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: clinics talking about how they're gonna make bombs and like 800 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: the comic clothes that they're mixing, and uh, yeah, they 801 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: they'll they'll lay down on sidewalks in front of buildings. 802 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: They will they will jump on people's cars. Uh, they 803 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: will camp out in front of clinics for like multiple 804 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: day stretches. The they send decoy patients like into the 805 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: clinics and disrupt it. It's just so much. Yeah, and 806 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: like like the brazenness with like again like that if 807 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: there are things on there, like okay, and like okay, 808 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: So like I don't want to like make this point 809 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: too much because like, yeah, you can get away with 810 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, right, even if the state is 811 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: hunting for you. There's a lot of stuff that you 812 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: could do that you can get away with. But like 813 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: the level of stuff they've been able to get away with, 814 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: like the fact that they've been able to literally on 815 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: the air say that you should murder a specific abortion 816 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: doctor mentioned them by name, and the fact that I 817 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: know people who have had the FBI show up to 818 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: their doors because of jokes they made on Twitter. It 819 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: is it is fucking appalling. Yeah, yeah, because I mean 820 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: they're not they don't. The law doesn't exist a lot, 821 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: a lot doesn't matter. It's all about who's actually challenging 822 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: the systems of power. Yeah, and then the police are 823 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: like again this this is one of those They literally 824 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,399 Speaker 1: do cross burnings, like fucking like, they literally do clan 825 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: style fucking cross burning. So I I can once again 826 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 1: go back to the old rage against the machine classics. 827 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: Some of those who work forces are the same cooper 828 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: and crosses. Because it is literally the same people, the 829 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: cops will cooperate with them. Like. Um. There's the other 830 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: thing that do a lot is they'll just like shoot 831 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: bullets through the windows of clinics constantly, and they never no, no, 832 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: no one, no one cares. That is very common. Yeah, 833 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 1: And like fire bombs happened to do this day that 834 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: one of the incidents they talked about in that book was, um, 835 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: so they like this, this is stuff that happened at 836 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: like one clinic, they set the clinic's fence on fire 837 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night they plug the downspouts 838 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: on like the roof after like a giant snowstorm, so 839 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: that like when when the snow melted, the water like 840 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: poured into this whole, they drilled it flooded the entire clinic. 841 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: Um they had another one where they they drilled holes 842 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: in the ceiling of the clinic and ran a garden 843 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: hose through it and flooded the entire building. And yeah, 844 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: again like none of this stuff ever makes the news, 845 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: Like like well you and you you can compare, you 846 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: compare the reaction to this to like how they reacted 847 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: the Animal Liberation Front, right, yea, that that caused there 848 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: was like there were like that, there were there were 849 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: like like law enforcement like techniques. There are law enforcement 850 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: organizations that exist today specifically to stop people like like 851 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: that existed a specifically because of this campaign to stop 852 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: the Animal Liberation friend for freeing animals like these people. 853 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: And you know, and I should say this's like also 854 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: like there's this whole push to like, oh, we need 855 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: to call these people terrorists, Like yeah, like Bill Clinton 856 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: called these people terrorists, and like what happened nothing Like 857 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: they they they got one law that was like fine, 858 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: that was like that was that was about trying to 859 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: keep people from protesting graphs side of clinic. But I 860 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: got strked own about the scream court, because again, we 861 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: live in in a size society that is constantly moving 862 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: towards theocratic fascism. If you torture construction sites or sedans 863 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: or people wanting to destroy sections the forest, then you're 864 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: then you're a terrorist. Um if the mail pops and 865 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: to and kill a whole bunch of horses, you're just 866 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: You're just some some dudes, I guess. Yeah. And one 867 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: of the things incredibly frustrating about the story is there 868 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: will be people who are being stalked right where that 869 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: they're being harassed like that, they're they're being intimidated. These 870 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: people keep showing up, they'll call the FBI, and the 871 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: FBI will go in, we don't care. And then the 872 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: next day I'll get shot by the same person. This 873 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: happens multiple times with multiple and like like that. We 874 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 1: talked about this with the person who killed Tiller Um. 875 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: A lot of the people who do use anti abortion 876 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: murders like we're just irregular anti abortion prisoners and protesters, 877 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: and like everything happens a lot is like people will 878 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: go to jail for an abortion bombing, they'll come out 879 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: and they'll do it again. And it's like, you know, 880 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,919 Speaker 1: one of the one of the really scary things about 881 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: this as well, I know this is this has been 882 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: stated before. This isn't by any means a new a 883 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: new a new thought or framing. But with all of 884 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: the laws getting enacted around the whole like bounty hunter 885 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: side of things, for like how there's going to be 886 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, citizens being amputized to track down both abortion 887 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: providers people who thought out abortion. Um, it's giving all 888 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: of this strain of thought, like this whole, all of 889 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: the striving ideology, it's deputizing it, and it's giving it 890 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: actual legal backing. So it's no longer just ignored by 891 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 1: law enforcement. It is now being encouraged by local governments. Um. 892 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: All of these all of these same motivations are now 893 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: like you can get rewarded for doing this um, And 894 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: oh boy, will people seize on that opportunity. Yeah. And 895 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: I think that there's a thing we can talk about 896 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: with with fascism here where it's like, okay, so like 897 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: what what is fascism? And if if you're looking at 898 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 1: like one of the one of the things that like 899 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: if you if you're using like a strict classical definition 900 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: of fascism is the integration of of of like parties 901 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: sort of like party paramilitary forces into the state. And 902 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: this is what we're looking at, is we're looking at 903 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: these people who have been sucking a bombing abortion clinics 904 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: for fifty years, like starting to do this stuff. And 905 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: I think, like, I'm gonna read another passage about the 906 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff they do to individual people because like 907 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I mean, I keep going back 908 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: to just like here's the high level terror that they're doing, 909 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, like the individual people. Um. After being 910 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: verbally targeted at our clinic for years, protesters started harassing 911 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: Tammy Madison through various written communications. First, the protesters distributed 912 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: flyers throughout Tammy's neighborhood, including one at Tammy's door. The 913 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: flyer listed Tammy's address, the make and model of Tammy's car, 914 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: and listed a telephone number reporter to be Tammy's number. Then, 915 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: the protester disappeared at her home with science is playing 916 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: her name that said she kills babies and hires the 917 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: baby killers. When they were outside Tammy's house. They handed 918 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: out flyers about her to anyone walking by. They do 919 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: things like they'll they'll use like licenses for example, cause 920 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: again you have to get licenses right to to to 921 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: provide abortions, to be a doctor, and so I'll use 922 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: a licenses to find personal information about people. These the 923 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 1: people out there are like I mean their right wingers, right, 924 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: So they're they're really racist. They like they they love 925 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: screaming jew doctor at people because yeah, like they racial slurs. 926 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: They constantly out people like the nail bob guy also 927 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: attacked a gay bars. Yeah, there's a lot of crossover 928 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: in terms of who they want to attack. Yeah, and 929 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: like they do constant death thrust. There's also a thing 930 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: I want to talk a bit about, which is like 931 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: these malicious legal lawsuits. So one of one of the 932 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: ways that people go after like clinics is that they're 933 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: constantly these clinics are like constantly under legal for people 934 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: are constantly suing them. People people are suing them just 935 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: to find out personal information about them because the court 936 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: will give court will give you information. Uh, they get 937 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: They have like these fake like fake case inspectors who 938 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: will come in order to infiltrate the things like they have. 939 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: There's legal enormous legal pressure from the state itself, which 940 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: is often trying to destroy these clinics. They're they're like 941 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: they'll they'll pass laws specifically to make us with the 942 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,440 Speaker 1: clinics can't operate in various ways. Um like people who 943 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: are just like district attorneys will will do investigations into 944 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: them over and over again. They a so they go 945 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: after like the kids of providers constantly. I read a 946 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: story from this book that again, like no one ever 947 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: talks about, like they they kidnapped this this provider's child 948 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: like her like twelve year old child like at a 949 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: clinic and like try to indoctrinate them and then eventually 950 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: gave them back after a few hours. But like again, 951 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: like they they kidnapped a child of one of the 952 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: people who works at these things, and there no one 953 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,240 Speaker 1: even talks about it, Like it's never there's never anything. 954 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: I just I don't know, like I just like the 955 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: more you go into this is like the more stuff 956 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: that you see that like like they target people's parents still, 957 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: like show up at like the nursing homes of like 958 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: the parents of like of these doctors, like they'll they'll 959 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: target their neighbors. They go after the donors to clinics 960 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: a lot, like they'll they'll they'll send them pictures of 961 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: like bullets and knives. Um. One of the things they 962 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: do often is that those burned down completely the wrong clinic. 963 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of cases where they just 964 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: they attacked the clinic next to it because they're not 965 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: the stuff. They've gone. Yeah, I want to I want 966 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: to end on this guy named John Brockenhoff, who he 967 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: bombs three abortion clinics over two decades, Like he's one 968 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,839 Speaker 1: of the guys who they sent to prison, and then 969 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: he came out and they bounded another abortion clinic. Um, 970 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: And I want I want to read this quote from him. 971 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: My orders to Vietnam didn't suddenly material materialized unexpectedly. I 972 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: volunteered to go because I saw the South Vietnamese people 973 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: were being threatened by a Communist takeover, and I figured 974 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: if they were willing to fight for freedom, they deserved 975 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: to be free and deserved help too. He goes on 976 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: to point out, in January of seventy three, I had 977 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: just returned from voluntary participation in a bombing campaign in 978 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: support of the liberty of people eight thousand miles away. 979 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: So I hope you will believe I will. I would 980 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: not have turned my back on my own people, American babies, 981 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: my own people, American babies. If you had asked for 982 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: my health up in bombing an abortion and abortionary in 983 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: this country, even in seventy three, and especially since it 984 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: was not mere liberty but very but their very lives 985 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: at stake, I would have gone with you. So this 986 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: guy is literally saying he's still fighting the Vietnam War, 987 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: but he's doing it to bom abortion clinics, and he 988 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: went to Vietnam because he wanted to kill comunists. And 989 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: this guy was at the Capitol at January six. But 990 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: that that sounds about right. So yeah, like it's like 991 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: one of yeah, we're we're like the moment we are 992 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: at now is this sort of detritus of like every 993 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: crime the US has ever committed is just rolling back, 994 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,360 Speaker 1: and you know, we're we're we're we're seeing all of 995 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,879 Speaker 1: these people who fought in Vietnam and came back home 996 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: and like killed a bunch of people who did abortions 997 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: and did a bunch of bombings, and now they you know, 998 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: and they tried. They just tried to do a coup. 999 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: They're probably going to get away with like in actually 1000 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: like a legal coup pretty soon because they've now seen 1001 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: his control of the court system, and it's like, well 1002 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: they've done. Really they do a really effective combination of 1003 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: violent direct action and legal challenges. Uh. There their actions 1004 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: able to be so successful. Uh one because like the 1005 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: tactics they choose it cause material damage and material change. 1006 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 1: But also obviously like they're not getting like investigated in 1007 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,399 Speaker 1: the same way anyone else would, right because like they 1008 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: they are they are capable of doing this effective action 1009 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,440 Speaker 1: because they don't face any any similar level of oppression 1010 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: to any other group that would that would be doing 1011 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: doing this, especially if they're on the left. Um. So, 1012 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,359 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's it's always useful to look at 1013 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: the tactics of your enemy and how they and how 1014 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 1: they do certain things, but you can always have to realize, 1015 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: like this is the same thing with January six, if 1016 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: it was a whole bunch of people in black block storming, 1017 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: that the response from the cops would have been very 1018 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: different initially and continue on throughout the whole day and 1019 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: the subsequent investigations. Um. So yeah, always good to look 1020 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,880 Speaker 1: into tactics, but the response from the government is always 1021 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: going to differ depending on who's doing the actual challenging. Yeah, 1022 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: and I think, as I said, you thinks about this one, 1023 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 1: like there are things you can learn from how the 1024 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: right operates. You can't carbon copy their tactics and try 1025 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: to do them from the left because it just won't 1026 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,839 Speaker 1: work because the start to structural conditions for the left 1027 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400 Speaker 1: are just different. But the second thing is also that, 1028 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: like it is simultaneously true that the level of oppression 1029 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,240 Speaker 1: against leftist is higher than it is against right wingers. 1030 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: And also that's true, and it's also true that you 1031 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: can do stuff and like people have and yeah, I 1032 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: mean none of the change revenge people have gotten caught yet, 1033 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: so like you know, we will we will see. Yeah, 1034 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean maybe by time this episode comes out. And 1035 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,799 Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, we'll we'll see, Like in general, right, 1036 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: especially when movements are decentralized. Um, but yeah, I mean, wow, 1037 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,800 Speaker 1: they shoug get they should get to get away with 1038 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,799 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff. You can be doing like 1039 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: pretty public of vomiting incidents for almost a decade and 1040 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: not get caught. Um, if you just can bomb the 1041 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,840 Speaker 1: Olympics and not get caught for like seven years. It's wild. 1042 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: And I'm also just assuming the vast majority of these 1043 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 1: guys are white, and so they're not. So it's also 1044 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 1: that and also the fact that this didn't happen like 1045 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: a long time ago. It's still happening, and that's crazy 1046 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: that we still don't hear about it, like yeah, like 1047 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: we we talked about we talked about on this show 1048 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago, like the people people lit 1049 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: another abortion clinic on fire, like that happens still and 1050 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: will continue to happen, and people continue to not care 1051 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: about it because it doesn't write anyone whos in power 1052 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 1: ins what the media doesn't care, and it's been happening 1053 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: long enough that there's this sense of like normalization around it. 1054 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 1: It's not seen as radical, it's seen as oh, obviously 1055 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: some people think that's justified. It's not. It's not surprising, um, 1056 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: and that normalization allows way more people to both feel 1057 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: keep well of doing something and it when it happens, 1058 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 1: there's not as big of a fuss. I do think 1059 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: it's also true though, like I think there are a 1060 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: lot of people, like I think most people don't know 1061 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: that this happened, Like I think, I think there's an 1062 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,760 Speaker 1: extent to which the level of violence has been totally invisibilized. 1063 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,319 Speaker 1: And you know, because I mean, they ever think about 1064 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: this again. Is the reason that they're working like this 1065 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: is because this this is a completely minoritarian position, right, Like, 1066 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: they don't actually have that many numerical supporters. It's just 1067 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: that they're able to sort of, I mean, you know, 1068 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: they they have enough people to wage systemic a pain 1069 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: of terror, and because of that, they're able to inflict 1070 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: their sort of are able to inflict their their fascism 1071 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:52,360 Speaker 1: months of the rest of the population. Ah, that was 1072 00:56:52,400 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: a good ending. Sigh. Yeah. Yeah. It could happen here 1073 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,280 Speaker 1: as a production of cool Zone Media. 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